RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[poajoan]

I believe so, just is not approved as the new company did not continue the 
process

It’s too bad, because it is an awesome chair and I feel so secure.  It’s not 
fast!!  But I can climb a 30° hill with no problem, and I can go sideways along 
a hill and not feel that I’m going to Tip over to it

 

From: zzol...@gmail.com [mailto:zzol...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Eric Olson
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 10:29 AM
To: poaj...@sbcglobal.net
Cc: Greg <g...@eskimo.com>; Quad-list Post <quad-list@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

Do they still make the omegatrac?

 

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:27 AM, <poaj...@sbcglobal.net 
<mailto:poaj...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

That is exactly why I don't want the mid-wheel chair.  I live on the hill 
rocks, dirt, and thank god for my omega trac even though it is 15 years old.

 

 

 

From: Greg [mailto:g...@eskimo.com <mailto:g...@eskimo.com> ] 
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 6:49 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com <mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com> 
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

My new chair is not as powerful as my last. I guess its a trade off with speed.
I was on a dirt road and pulled off to the side for a truck, got stuck.
No torque, once I did get moving, it would not turn.
While stuck, twice cars came right by me, I'm waving both arms... they just 
waved back.
Had to call home. They couldn't pull me out either, but a nice guy saw them 
trying and stopped to help.
I need fatter tires, on the front too. Mid wheel chair

Greg

 

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Eric Olson]

Do they still make the omegatrac?

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:27 AM,  wrote:

> *That is exactly why I don't want the mid-wheel *chair.  I live on the
> hill rocks, dirt, and thank god for my omega trac even though it is 15
> years old.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Greg [mailto:g...@eskimo.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, February 05, 2018 6:49 PM
> *To:* quad-list@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* [QUAD-L] New Chair
>
>
>
> My new chair is not as powerful as my last. I guess its a trade off with
> speed.
> I was on a dirt road and pulled off to the side for a truck, got stuck.
> No torque, once I did get moving, it would not turn.
> While stuck, twice cars came right by me, I'm waving both arms... they
> just waved back.
> Had to call home. They couldn't pull me out either, but a nice guy saw
> them trying and stopped to help.
> I need fatter tires, on the front too. Mid wheel chair
>
> Greg
>

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[poajoan]

That is exactly why I don't want the mid-wheel chair.  I live on the hill 
rocks, dirt, and thank god for my omega trac even though it is 15 years old.

 

 

 

From: Greg [mailto:g...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 6:49 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

My new chair is not as powerful as my last. I guess its a trade off with speed.
I was on a dirt road and pulled off to the side for a truck, got stuck.
No torque, once I did get moving, it would not turn.
While stuck, twice cars came right by me, I'm waving both arms... they just 
waved back.
Had to call home. They couldn't pull me out either, but a nice guy saw them 
trying and stopped to help.
I need fatter tires, on the front too. Mid wheel chair

Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Rose Chase]

My chair is supposed to come next Wednesday. I hope the seat elevating is
part of what Medicare covers as well as elevating foot rests too.

I hope my chair fits too.

Greg,  Good Luck with your new chair.

Rose

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 7:54 PM, Greg  wrote:

> Yeah, suppose to deliver my new chair tomorrow.
> It only took  year. Though first 6 months were a different company. Then
> they realized they stopped taking my insurance.
>
> Though I had great luck in getting things covered. I was told no way will
> my insurance cover the speed package, and 100% not covered was the seat
> raise. But they covered it all. At 80%
>
> Now I hope it fits...
> Greg
>

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Rose Chase]

I have been waiting since May and still haven't gotten my chair. It is
December and and I don't even know  if it has been sent to Medicare.
Glad to hear I am not the only one.
Rose

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Eric Olson  wrote:

> Congratulations.  My chair took over a year too.
>
> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Greg  wrote:
>
>> After almost a year of trying to get a new chair, it was finely OKed and
>> ordered.
>> They say the rest can take a month, but I wont count on it.
>> Quickie 710.
>> Greg
>>
>
>

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Eric Olson]

Congratulations.  My chair took over a year too.

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Greg  wrote:

> After almost a year of trying to get a new chair, it was finely OKed and
> ordered.
> They say the rest can take a month, but I wont count on it.
> Quickie 710.
> Greg
>

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[wheelchair]

I would consider contacting Medicare/Medicaid and tell them to stop making  
payments to your provider and then contact Invacare-Customer Care, with the 
 serial number of your chair.
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 8/15/2017 8:21:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
lwillis82...@msn.com writes:

How about this. I got my new Invacare storm last November. About a month  
ago it started messing up. When you turn the power off it won't come back on. 
 You have to disconnect the batteries. I think I described this earlier. 
Well  the repair guy came by a couple of weeks ago and determined that the 
problem  was in the joystick/control. I called them yesterday and they said 
they will  not recognize the warranty because the unit had apparently been wet. 
This  thing has never felt even a sprinkle! I have a strong desire to 
strike  somebody with great force. What a bunch of crooks and liars! Any 
suggestions?  Invacare wants my insurance to pay for it. Well of course they 
do. 
Bunch of  greedy $);&:@! Any words of wisdom out there?

Sent from my  iPad

Begin forwarded message:



Resent-From: 
From:  greg 
Date: August  15, 2017 at 8:48:51 PM EDT
To: 
Subject:  [QUAD-L] New Chair




 
Been  trying 6 months to get a new chair. First few months was mis 
communication.  I was waiting for them to send me info, the rep thought he had 
and 
was  waiting for me. Then arguing over what type of chair they could order. 
Now I  get prescription to fix my old chair. They called and said they no 
longer  work with my insurance group. I asked about the new chair we were 
working  on. They said, Sorry, we didn't realize it was a different group name. 
So  its starting all over.
 
The name  of the chair place I get from my insurance.1 star rated, very bad 
BBB  rating, 4 brands of chairs I've never heard of. I'm appealing to see 
if I  can buy out of network. Can take another 15 days. What hassles. 
 
Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Prob

[Jeffrey Gaede]

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  From: greg 
 To: quad-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 12:22 PM
 Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair Prob
   
Just heard from my chair 
rep.They said you can not get seat raiser, legrest raiser, tilt, recline, and 
speed package all together. They said speed package or seat raiser, not 
both.Quantum Edge Z Anyone know of a chair that goes 7.5+, and seat raiser?  
ThxGreg

   

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options

[Nichole Rohling]

Bobbie,

 

I dread it! I guess I should start calling and getting quotes.

Which Quantum chair do you have?

 

Nicki

 

From: Bobbie Humphreys [mailto:bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 4:53 PM
To: Nichole Rohling
Cc: Danny Hearn; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options

 

When I got a new chair my van conversion company charged me $800 to put a 
ezlock bracket on the bottom of my new Quantum 

Bobbie 

"Be the change you want to see in the world". Gandhi


On Jul 25, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net> wrote:

Danny,

 

Do you drive and use the EZ-Lock to lock into your van? If so did you have to 
move driving equipment and EZ-Lock to compensate changing from an Invacare to 
the Quantum?

 

My Invacare base is 33” and the Quantum is 36” so this is a concern especially 
because it will be out of pocket to add new EZ-Lock to chair and if I have to 
make changes in my van the expense will be greater. 

 

Nicki

 

From: Danny Hearn [mailto:ddh...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 1:59 PM
To: Nichole Rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options

 

Nicki...they are solid and I go everywhere and they show zero signs  of any 
wear at all...I'm am very impressed by that, they are so much better than the  
invacare tires ever were. The ride is a bit better or smoother also, although 
my last Invacare is 7 years old so they may have made improvements also.  Dan**

 

On Monday, July 10, 2017 1:34 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net> 
wrote:

 

Thanks Danny

 

I am pretty positive I want to stick with rear wheel drive. Are the tires on 
your Quantum solid or air filled?

 

Nicki 

 

From: Danny Hearn [mailto:ddh...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 1:13 PM
To: Nichole Rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options

 

I got the Quantum Rival a few months back with the speed upgrade, I think it 
goes about 7 mph or sowhich is pretty quick for outdoors, It took a bit of 
getting used to it  because like you I had been in Invacare Arrows for the past 
14 years, all my chairs have been REAR wheel drive and that works great for me 
and fit into my 1995 chevy astro mini van. Many folks do not like the rear 
wheel indoors because it is not good for tight turns like the mid-wheels can 
do. My area is set up for outdoors...it has trails and park area's near me, so 
rear wheel is great for me. I suggest trying a few like you said you are going 
to do. I do love the Quick Change buttons on this Quantum that can switch from 
tilt/leg lift back to drive very fast by a button on either side of the 
control. good, luck, Dan H***

 

On Monday, July 10, 2017 12:39 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net> 
wrote:

 

I’m getting my 3rd chair in 19 years. I have had the Invacare Action Arrow 
Storm for all 19 years. Invacare got in trouble with the FDA and are under a 
consent decree with them. My DME is really trying to steer me away from getting 
an Invacare chair. It would be a Torque 3. I am suppose to be testing it as 
well as a Permobil C350 and a Quantum Rival. The provider brought out the 
Quantum on Friday and it has a plate footrest (I have always had 2 footrest 
which allows me to straddle table posts at restaurants) I don’t even think my 
feet would stay on a center mounted foot plate. They were suppose to bring the 
Invacare first and the employee agreed he didn’t think my feet would stay on 
the plate. He even told me that the motors in the Rival go out but I didn’t 
hear that from him. The DME supplier is trying to get footrests for the demo 
chairs but said they can only get 1 side for the Invacare.

 

Would love input on any of these chairs.

 

Nicki

 

 

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options

[Dana Wray]

 Hi Bobbie,
 I was supposed to start my wheelchair evaluation this month but when I
called they are booked up until October.
  I have a Permoble  so I will probably stick with this,   Unless I hear
about a better  wheelchair. .

   July 26 is my 43rd anniversary
Dana C 4-5 complete quadriplegic.

We have to get a new wheelchair bracket with a chair

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 4:53 PM Bobbie Humphreys <bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> When I got a new chair my van conversion company charged me $800 to put a
> ezlock bracket on the bottom of my new Quantum
> Bobbie
>
> "Be the change you want to see in the world". Gandhi
>
> On Jul 25, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net>
> wrote:
>
> Danny,
>
>
>
> Do you drive and use the EZ-Lock to lock into your van? If so did you have
> to move driving equipment and EZ-Lock to compensate changing from an
> Invacare to the Quantum?
>
>
>
> My Invacare base is 33” and the Quantum is 36” so this is a concern
> especially because it will be out of pocket to add new EZ-Lock to chair and
> if I have to make changes in my van the expense will be greater.
>
>
>
> Nicki
>
>
>
> *From:* Danny Hearn [mailto:ddh...@sbcglobal.net <ddh...@sbcglobal.net>]
> *Sent:* Monday, July 10, 2017 1:59 PM
> *To:* Nichole Rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options
>
>
>
> Nicki...they are solid and I go everywhere and they show zero signs  of
> any wear at all...I'm am very impressed by that, they are so much better
> than the  invacare tires ever were. The ride is a bit better or smoother
> also, although my last Invacare is 7 years old so they may have made
> improvements also.  Dan**
>
>
>
> On Monday, July 10, 2017 1:34 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks Danny
>
>
>
> I am pretty positive I want to stick with rear wheel drive. Are the tires
> on your Quantum solid or air filled?
>
>
>
> Nicki
>
>
>
> *From:* Danny Hearn [mailto:ddh...@sbcglobal.net <ddh...@sbcglobal.net>]
> *Sent:* Monday, July 10, 2017 1:13 PM
> *To:* Nichole Rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options
>
>
>
> I got the Quantum Rival a few months back with the speed upgrade, I think
> it goes about 7 mph or sowhich is pretty quick for outdoors, It took a
> bit of getting used to it  because like you I had been in Invacare Arrows
> for the past 14 years, all my chairs have been REAR wheel drive and that
> works great for me and fit into my 1995 chevy astro mini van. Many folks do
> not like the rear wheel indoors because it is not good for tight turns like
> the mid-wheels can do. My area is set up for outdoors...it has trails and
> park area's near me, so rear wheel is great for me. I suggest trying a few
> like you said you are going to do. I do love the Quick Change buttons on
> this Quantum that can switch from tilt/leg lift back to drive very fast by
> a button on either side of the control. good, luck, Dan H***
>
>
>
> On Monday, July 10, 2017 12:39 PM, Nichole Rohling <
> zoocr...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> I’m getting my 3rd chair in 19 years. I have had the Invacare Action
> Arrow Storm for all 19 years. Invacare got in trouble with the FDA and are
> under a consent decree with them. My DME is really trying to steer me away
> from getting an Invacare chair. It would be a Torque 3. I am suppose to be
> testing it as well as a Permobil C350 and a Quantum Rival. The provider
> brought out the Quantum on Friday and it has a plate footrest (I have
> always had 2 footrest which allows me to straddle table posts at
> restaurants) I don’t even think my feet would stay on a center mounted foot
> plate. They were suppose to bring the Invacare first and the employee
> agreed he didn’t think my feet would stay on the plate. He even told me
> that the motors in the Rival go out but I didn’t hear that from him. The
> DME supplier is trying to get footrests for the demo chairs but said they
> can only get 1 side for the Invacare.
>
>
>
> Would love input on any of these chairs.
>
>
>
> Nicki
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options

[Bobbie Humphreys]

When I got a new chair my van conversion company charged me $800 to put a 
ezlock bracket on the bottom of my new Quantum 
Bobbie 

"Be the change you want to see in the world". Gandhi

> On Jul 25, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Danny,
>  
> Do you drive and use the EZ-Lock to lock into your van? If so did you have to 
> move driving equipment and EZ-Lock to compensate changing from an Invacare to 
> the Quantum?
>  
> My Invacare base is 33” and the Quantum is 36” so this is a concern 
> especially because it will be out of pocket to add new EZ-Lock to chair and 
> if I have to make changes in my van the expense will be greater.
>  
> Nicki
>  
> From: Danny Hearn [mailto:ddh...@sbcglobal.net] 
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 1:59 PM
> To: Nichole Rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options
>  
> Nicki...they are solid and I go everywhere and they show zero signs  of any 
> wear at all...I'm am very impressed by that, they are so much better than the 
>  invacare tires ever were. The ride is a bit better or smoother also, 
> although my last Invacare is 7 years old so they may have made improvements 
> also.  Dan**
>  
> 
> On Monday, July 10, 2017 1:34 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net> 
> wrote:
>  
> 
> Thanks Danny
>  
> I am pretty positive I want to stick with rear wheel drive. Are the tires on 
> your Quantum solid or air filled?
>  
> Nicki
>  
> From: Danny Hearn [mailto:ddh...@sbcglobal.net] 
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 1:13 PM
> To: Nichole Rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options
>  
> I got the Quantum Rival a few months back with the speed upgrade, I think it 
> goes about 7 mph or sowhich is pretty quick for outdoors, It took a bit 
> of getting used to it  because like you I had been in Invacare Arrows for the 
> past 14 years, all my chairs have been REAR wheel drive and that works great 
> for me and fit into my 1995 chevy astro mini van. Many folks do not like the 
> rear wheel indoors because it is not good for tight turns like the mid-wheels 
> can do. My area is set up for outdoors...it has trails and park area's near 
> me, so rear wheel is great for me. I suggest trying a few like you said you 
> are going to do. I do love the Quick Change buttons on this Quantum that can 
> switch from tilt/leg lift back to drive very fast by a button on either side 
> of the control. good, luck, Dan H***
>  
> On Monday, July 10, 2017 12:39 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net> 
> wrote:
>  
> I’m getting my 3rd chair in 19 years. I have had the Invacare Action Arrow 
> Storm for all 19 years. Invacare got in trouble with the FDA and are under a 
> consent decree with them. My DME is really trying to steer me away from 
> getting an Invacare chair. It would be a Torque 3. I am suppose to be testing 
> it as well as a Permobil C350 and a Quantum Rival. The provider brought out 
> the Quantum on Friday and it has a plate footrest (I have always had 2 
> footrest which allows me to straddle table posts at restaurants) I don’t even 
> think my feet would stay on a center mounted foot plate. They were suppose to 
> bring the Invacare first and the employee agreed he didn’t think my feet 
> would stay on the plate. He even told me that the motors in the Rival go out 
> but I didn’t hear that from him. The DME supplier is trying to get footrests 
> for the demo chairs but said they can only get 1 side for the Invacare.
>  
> Would love input on any of these chairs.
>  
> Nicki
>  
>  

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair ?

[Nichole Rohling]

Spoken with them a few times and today they said they will have their rep for 
my area call me, only downfall is she is on vacation until the 31st. Hoping 
she’ll call while on vacation J and can speak with the vendor too.

 

I would like to call the FDA but not sure who/where/division I would need to 
call. Hopefully rep can tell me.

 

Nicki  

 

From: wheelch...@aol.com [mailto:wheelch...@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:39 PM
To: zoocr...@windstream.net; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair ?

 

Why not call Invacare directly and get the story from them.  Tell them what you 
want and why you want to. Let them pull while you are pushing.   BTW, who's the 
customer anyway?  Customer, is always right.  Call Medicare/Medicaid in your 
state and let them know what the provider is doing to you.

Best Wishes

 

In a message dated 7/19/2017 1:58:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
zoocr...@windstream.net writes:

Below is a previous message I sent the quadlist. I decided this morning I don’t 
even want to demo any chairs. The DME vendor is having  problem getting two 
footrests instead of the platform plate for all 3 chairs. I’ve been in an 
Invacare Action Arrow Storm for 19 years. They no longer make this chair but 
the Torque 3 is the same chair, different motor. 

 

I called vendor to tell them to order the Invacare but they told me we have to 
provide reasons why the other chairs won’t work before the FDA will sign off on 
it (since Invacare is currently under Consent Decree with FDA). So they still 
want me to demo chairs and come up with reasons they won’t work.

 

I am so frustrated. I know one deal breaker is the armrests because I have a 
bag that we attach to a particular spot on my armrest and I put my leg bag in 
it so it is hidden. Their suggestion is to put in on front of seat pan. That 
won’t work, not even gonna try it, what’s not broke doesn’t need fixed.

 

Also, I believe by having the same base I won’t have to move e-z locks in the 
floor of my van where as if the other bases are different not only will I have 
to pay to have bolt added to chair but the expense of moving the bases.

 

Anyone else want to help me come up with reasons why other chairs won’t work?

 

My rear is the one that sits in it so why can’t I just pick what I freaking 
want?

 

Nicki   

 

 

I’m getting my 3rd chair in 19 years. I have had the Invacare Action Arrow 
Storm for all 19 years. Invacare got in trouble with the FDA and are under a 
consent decree with them. My DME is really trying to steer me away from getting 
an Invacare chair. It would be a Torque 3. I am suppose to be testing it as 
well as a Permobil C350 and a Quantum Rival. The provider brought out the 
Quantum on Friday and it has a plate footrest (I have always had 2 footrest 
which allows me to straddle table posts at restaurants) I don’t even think my 
feet would stay on a center mounted foot plate. They were suppose to bring the 
Invacare first and the employee agreed he didn’t think my feet would stay on 
the plate. He even told me that the motors in the Rival go out but I didn’t 
hear that from him. The DME supplier is trying to get footrests for the demo 
chairs but said they can only get 1 side for the Invacare.

 

Would love input on any of these chairs.

 

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options

[Nichole Rohling]

Danny,

 

Do you drive and use the EZ-Lock to lock into your van? If so did you have to 
move driving equipment and EZ-Lock to compensate changing from an Invacare to 
the Quantum?

 

My Invacare base is 33” and the Quantum is 36” so this is a concern especially 
because it will be out of pocket to add new EZ-Lock to chair and if I have to 
make changes in my van the expense will be greater. 

 

Nicki

 

From: Danny Hearn [mailto:ddh...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 1:59 PM
To: Nichole Rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options

 

Nicki...they are solid and I go everywhere and they show zero signs  of any 
wear at all...I'm am very impressed by that, they are so much better than the  
invacare tires ever were. The ride is a bit better or smoother also, although 
my last Invacare is 7 years old so they may have made improvements also.  Dan**

 

On Monday, July 10, 2017 1:34 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net> 
wrote:

 

Thanks Danny

 

I am pretty positive I want to stick with rear wheel drive. Are the tires on 
your Quantum solid or air filled?

 

Nicki 

 

From: Danny Hearn [mailto:ddh...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 1:13 PM
To: Nichole Rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options

 

I got the Quantum Rival a few months back with the speed upgrade, I think it 
goes about 7 mph or sowhich is pretty quick for outdoors, It took a bit of 
getting used to it  because like you I had been in Invacare Arrows for the past 
14 years, all my chairs have been REAR wheel drive and that works great for me 
and fit into my 1995 chevy astro mini van. Many folks do not like the rear 
wheel indoors because it is not good for tight turns like the mid-wheels can 
do. My area is set up for outdoors...it has trails and park area's near me, so 
rear wheel is great for me. I suggest trying a few like you said you are going 
to do. I do love the Quick Change buttons on this Quantum that can switch from 
tilt/leg lift back to drive very fast by a button on either side of the 
control. good, luck, Dan H***

 

On Monday, July 10, 2017 12:39 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net> 
wrote:

 

I’m getting my 3rd chair in 19 years. I have had the Invacare Action Arrow 
Storm for all 19 years. Invacare got in trouble with the FDA and are under a 
consent decree with them. My DME is really trying to steer me away from getting 
an Invacare chair. It would be a Torque 3. I am suppose to be testing it as 
well as a Permobil C350 and a Quantum Rival. The provider brought out the 
Quantum on Friday and it has a plate footrest (I have always had 2 footrest 
which allows me to straddle table posts at restaurants) I don’t even think my 
feet would stay on a center mounted foot plate. They were suppose to bring the 
Invacare first and the employee agreed he didn’t think my feet would stay on 
the plate. He even told me that the motors in the Rival go out but I didn’t 
hear that from him. The DME supplier is trying to get footrests for the demo 
chairs but said they can only get 1 side for the Invacare.

 

Would love input on any of these chairs.

 

Nicki

 

 

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair ?

[wheelchair]

Why not call Invacare directly and get the story from them.  Tell them  
what you want and why you want to. Let them pull while you are  pushing.   BTW, 
who's the customer anyway?  Customer, is always  right.  Call 
Medicare/Medicaid in your state and let them know what the  provider is doing 
to you.
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 7/19/2017 1:58:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
zoocr...@windstream.net writes:

 
Below is a previous message I sent the quadlist. I decided  this morning I 
don’t even want to demo any chairs. The DME vendor is having  problem 
getting two footrests instead of the platform plate for all 3  chairs. I’ve 
been 
in an Invacare Action Arrow Storm for 19 years. They no  longer make this 
chair but the Torque 3 is the same chair, different motor.   
I called vendor to tell them to order the Invacare but they  told me we 
have to provide reasons why the other chairs won’t work before the  FDA will 
sign off on it (since Invacare is currently under Consent Decree with  FDA). 
So they still want me to demo chairs and come up with reasons they won’t  
work. 
I am so frustrated. I know one deal breaker is the armrests  because I have 
a bag that we attach to a particular spot on my armrest and I  put my leg 
bag in it so it is hidden. Their suggestion is to put in on front  of seat 
pan. That won’t work, not even gonna try it, what’s not broke doesn’t  need 
fixed. 
Also, I believe by having the same base I won’t have to  move e-z locks in 
the floor of my van where as if the other bases are  different not only will 
I have to pay to have bolt added to chair but the  expense of moving the 
bases. 
Anyone else want to help me come up with reasons why other  chairs won’t 
work? 
My rear is the one that sits in it so why can’t I just pick  what I 
freaking want? 
Nicki
I’m getting my 3rd chair in 19 years. I have had  the Invacare Action Arrow 
Storm for all 19 years. Invacare got in trouble with  the FDA and are under 
a consent decree with them. My DME is really trying to  steer me away from 
getting an Invacare chair. It would be a Torque 3. I am  suppose to be 
testing it as well as a Permobil C350 and a Quantum Rival. The  provider 
brought 
out the Quantum on Friday and it has a plate footrest (I have  always had 2 
footrest which allows me to straddle table posts at restaurants)  I don’t 
even think my feet would stay on a center mounted foot plate. They  were 
suppose to bring the Invacare first and the employee agreed he didn’t  think my 
feet would stay on the plate. He even told me that the motors in the  Rival 
go out but I didn’t hear that from him. The DME supplier is trying to  get 
footrests for the demo chairs but said they can only get 1 side for the  
Invacare. 
Would love input on any of these chairs. 

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair ?

[Jeffrey Gaede]

You know how when someone is in a car accident they often claim a neck injury, 
which is nondescript and difficult to pinpoint.  You just have trouble sitting 
up all day in those chairs.  You don't understand why, but it hurts and you 
have to go back to bed.  Only the Invacare seems to allow for your sitting up 
all day.

  From: Nichole Rohling 
 To: quad-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:58 AM
 Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair ?
   
Below is a previous message I sent the 
quadlist. I decided this morning I don’t even want to demo any chairs. The DME 
vendor is having  problem getting two footrests instead of the platform plate 
for all 3 chairs. I’ve been in an Invacare Action Arrow Storm for 19 years. 
They no longer make this chair but the Torque 3 is the same chair, different 
motor.   I called vendor to tell them to order the Invacare but they told me we 
have to provide reasons why the other chairs won’t work before the FDA will 
sign off on it (since Invacare is currently under Consent Decree with FDA). So 
they still want me to demo chairs and come up with reasons they won’t work.  I 
am so frustrated. I know one deal breaker is the armrests because I have a bag 
that we attach to a particular spot on my armrest and I put my leg bag in it so 
it is hidden. Their suggestion is to put in on front of seat pan. That won’t 
work, not even gonna try it, what’s not broke doesn’t need fixed.  Also, I 
believe by having the same base I won’t have to move e-z locks in the floor of 
my van where as if the other bases are different not only will I have to pay to 
have bolt added to chair but the expense of moving the bases.  Anyone else want 
to help me come up with reasons why other chairs won’t work?  My rear is the 
one that sits in it so why can’t I just pick what I freaking want?  Nicki       
I’m getting my 3rd chair in 19 years. I have had the Invacare Action Arrow 
Storm for all 19 years. Invacare got in trouble with the FDA and are under a 
consent decree with them. My DME is really trying to steer me away from getting 
an Invacare chair. It would be a Torque 3. I am suppose to be testing it as 
well as a Permobil C350 and a Quantum Rival. The provider brought out the 
Quantum on Friday and it has a plate footrest (I have always had 2 footrest 
which allows me to straddle table posts at restaurants) I don’t even think my 
feet would stay on a center mounted foot plate. They were suppose to bring the 
Invacare first and the employee agreed he didn’t think my feet would stay on 
the plate. He even told me that the motors in the Rival go out but I didn’t 
hear that from him. The DME supplier is trying to get footrests for the demo 
chairs but said they can only get 1 side for the Invacare.  Would love input on 
any of these chairs.  

   

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options

[Danny Hearn]

Nicki...they are solid and I go everywhere and they show zero signs  of any 
wear at all...I'm am very impressed by that, they are so much better than the  
invacare tires ever were. The ride is a bit better or smoother also, although 
my last Invacare is 7 years old so they may have made improvements also.  Dan** 

On Monday, July 10, 2017 1:34 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net> 
wrote:
 

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{}#yiv7589219971 Thanks Danny  I am pretty positive I want to stick with rear 
wheel drive. Are the tires on your Quantum solid or air filled?  Nicki   From: 
Danny Hearn [mailto:ddh...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 1:13 PM
To: Nichole Rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options  I got the Quantum Rival a few months 
back with the speed upgrade, I think it goes about 7 mph or sowhich is 
pretty quick for outdoors, It took a bit of getting used to it  because like 
you I had been in Invacare Arrows for the past 14 years, all my chairs have 
been REAR wheel drive and that works great for me and fit into my 1995 chevy 
astro mini van. Many folks do not like the rear wheel indoors because it is not 
good for tight turns like the mid-wheels can do. My area is set up for 
outdoors...it has trails and park area's near me, so rear wheel is great for 
me. I suggest trying a few like you said you are going to do. I do love the 
Quick Change buttons on this Quantum that can switch from tilt/leg lift back to 
drive very fast by a button on either side of the control. good, luck, Dan H*** 
 On Monday, July 10, 2017 12:39 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net> 
wrote:  I’m getting my 3rd chair in 19 years. I have had the Invacare Action 
Arrow Storm for all 19 years. Invacare got in trouble with the FDA and are 
under a consent decree with them. My DME is really trying to steer me away from 
getting an Invacare chair. It would be a Torque 3. I am suppose to be testing 
it as well as a Permobil C350 and a Quantum Rival. The provider brought out the 
Quantum on Friday and it has a plate footrest (I have always had 2 footrest 
which allows me to straddle table posts at restaurants) I don’t even think my 
feet would stay on a center mounted foot plate. They were suppose to bring the 
Invacare first and the employee agreed he didn’t think my feet would stay on 
the plate. He even told me that the motors in the Rival go out but I didn’t 
hear that from him. The DME supplier is trying to get footrests for the demo 
chairs but said they can only get 1 side for the Invacare. Would love input on 
any of these chairs. Nicki  

   

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options

[Nichole Rohling]

Thanks Danny

 

I am pretty positive I want to stick with rear wheel drive. Are the tires on 
your Quantum solid or air filled?

 

Nicki 

 

From: Danny Hearn [mailto:ddh...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 1:13 PM
To: Nichole Rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options

 

I got the Quantum Rival a few months back with the speed upgrade, I think it 
goes about 7 mph or sowhich is pretty quick for outdoors, It took a bit of 
getting used to it  because like you I had been in Invacare Arrows for the past 
14 years, all my chairs have been REAR wheel drive and that works great for me 
and fit into my 1995 chevy astro mini van. Many folks do not like the rear 
wheel indoors because it is not good for tight turns like the mid-wheels can 
do. My area is set up for outdoors...it has trails and park area's near me, so 
rear wheel is great for me. I suggest trying a few like you said you are going 
to do. I do love the Quick Change buttons on this Quantum that can switch from 
tilt/leg lift back to drive very fast by a button on either side of the 
control. good, luck, Dan H***

 

On Monday, July 10, 2017 12:39 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net> 
wrote:

 

I’m getting my 3rd chair in 19 years. I have had the Invacare Action Arrow 
Storm for all 19 years. Invacare got in trouble with the FDA and are under a 
consent decree with them. My DME is really trying to steer me away from getting 
an Invacare chair. It would be a Torque 3. I am suppose to be testing it as 
well as a Permobil C350 and a Quantum Rival. The provider brought out the 
Quantum on Friday and it has a plate footrest (I have always had 2 footrest 
which allows me to straddle table posts at restaurants) I don’t even think my 
feet would stay on a center mounted foot plate. They were suppose to bring the 
Invacare first and the employee agreed he didn’t think my feet would stay on 
the plate. He even told me that the motors in the Rival go out but I didn’t 
hear that from him. The DME supplier is trying to get footrests for the demo 
chairs but said they can only get 1 side for the Invacare.

 

Would love input on any of these chairs.

 

Nicki

 

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Options

[Danny Hearn]

I got the Quantum Rival a few months back with the speed upgrade, I think it 
goes about 7 mph or sowhich is pretty quick for outdoors, It took a bit of 
getting used to it  because like you I had been in Invacare Arrows for the past 
14 years, all my chairs have been REAR wheel drive and that works great for me 
and fit into my 1995 chevy astro mini van. Many folks do not like the rear 
wheel indoors because it is not good for tight turns like the mid-wheels can 
do. My area is set up for outdoors...it has trails and park area's near me, so 
rear wheel is great for me. I suggest trying a few like you said you are going 
to do. I do love the Quick Change buttons on this Quantum that can switch from 
tilt/leg lift back to drive very fast by a button on either side of the 
control. good, luck, Dan H*** 

On Monday, July 10, 2017 12:39 PM, Nichole Rohling 
 wrote:
 

 I’m getting my 3rd chair in 19 years. I have 
had the Invacare Action Arrow Storm for all 19 years. Invacare got in trouble 
with the FDA and are under a consent decree with them. My DME is really trying 
to steer me away from getting an Invacare chair. It would be a Torque 3. I am 
suppose to be testing it as well as a Permobil C350 and a Quantum Rival. The 
provider brought out the Quantum on Friday and it has a plate footrest (I have 
always had 2 footrest which allows me to straddle table posts at restaurants) I 
don’t even think my feet would stay on a center mounted foot plate. They were 
suppose to bring the Invacare first and the employee agreed he didn’t think my 
feet would stay on the plate. He even told me that the motors in the Rival go 
out but I didn’t hear that from him. The DME supplier is trying to get 
footrests for the demo chairs but said they can only get 1 side for the 
Invacare.  Would love input on any of these chairs.  Nicki

   

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair?

[Danny Espinoza]

I used to but now I'm Permobil all the way! 

 

From: greg [mailto:g...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 12:40 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair?

 

The chair shop suggests the Q6 Edge z, Quantum.

 

They say Medicare no longer covers seat elevators. Its like $2,700, but I
need it to transfer. I'd love a faster chair, but is $1,600 worth 2 extra
mph in the speed package. To go from 6mph to 8mph.

 

Anyone have the Q6 Edge Z?

 

Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Carolyn Boyles]

A lot of the folks in the Arkansas Spinal Cord Commission's support 
group use the same chair as Debra and really like it. Most of these I'm 
thinking of are on workman's compensation and that's how they get their 
chairs paid for.


Carolyn

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[DEBRA DEW]

I love my Permobil chairman power chair.  I paid $23,000 for it and a 
replacement now is $40,000 and I'm trying to get another one. It was fully 
articulating so you can sleep at night in it if you're so desired. I was more 
comfortable in my chair then I was in my bed. I purchased it because Mark 
Smith, the wheelchair junkie, said it was the "Cadillac of power chairs" and 
that was in the nineteen 
nineties.….https://www.shermanoaksmedical.com/Permobil_Power_Wheelchairs_p/permobil-f5.htm

[http://www.shermanoaksmedical.com/v/vspfiles/photos/PERMOBIL-F5-2T.jpg]<https://www.shermanoaksmedical.com/Permobil_Power_Wheelchairs_p/permobil-f5.htm>

Permobil F5 Corpus Rehab Power Wheelchair Has Driving 
...<https://www.shermanoaksmedical.com/Permobil_Power_Wheelchairs_p/permobil-f5.htm>
www.shermanoaksmedical.com
Permobil F5 Corpus Rehab Power Wheelchair has maximum speed of 7.5 mph, driving 
range of 16 miles and maximum weight capacity of 300 lbs.




Debra Scruggs-Scruggs phalanx-dragon slayers -PRISONER OF HOPE ZECH. 9
Formerly: Homeschooling mom of 9 and pvt. pilot
Currently: Quadrapeligic due to advanced MS and living in a nursing home
Phone: 561-588-4333
SC student 20yrs
ROMANS 8:28
B.I.B.L.E.-BASIC INSTRUCTIONS BEFORE LEAVING EARTH



From: Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:59 PM
To: wheelch...@aol.com; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair


I would do a commercial for them! I honestly can’t imagine being in anything 
but Invacare,.

Thank you so much for your advice over the years!



Nicki



From: wheelch...@aol.com [mailto:wheelch...@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 5:31 PM
To: zoocr...@windstream.net; ju...@jlar.org; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair



When you call Invacare Customer Service, be prepared to lay it on thick.  Let 
them know you love their chair and would not want to be stuck in another brand, 
 start crying if you must.  Let them know what the vendors are doing to 
consumers. Who knows what they can do for you.  Good Luck and I hope you 
win an Oscar !



Best Wishes



In a message dated 6/19/2017 12:42:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
zoocr...@windstream.net<mailto:zoocr...@windstream.net> writes:

They told me we would have to prove that no other chair would work for me? Did 
you have this same experience?



Nicki



From: Julie [mailto:ju...@jlar.org]
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:03 PM
To: 'Nichole Rohling'
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair



Hi,

I am getting a new Invacare Torque 3 Wednesday.  They were halted for a couple 
years, so I waited but they are at least in operation now.

Julie

From: Nichole Rohling [mailto:zoocr...@windstream.net]
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:40 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com<mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com>
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair



Need your opinions and input please



I have been injured almost 19 years (Thought it was 20 but I was wrong) and I 
am getting ready to get a new chair.

This will be my 3rd chair and and my 1st two were Invacare Action Arrow Storms. 
They are no longer making this chair :(

I hate change! I went to an evaluation appointment and was told the chair I 
want (Invacare Torque 3) is considered a Group 4 chair

And it would be difficult to get. They recommended a Permobil C350 or Quantum 
Rival.



They told me that an Invacare plant had been shut down by the FDA ( I think 
that’s right) and their concern is if I got the

Invacare they might quit making parts for it.



I feel they probably make more $$ off the other two chairs (I just really have 
trust issues with them)

. I have had incredible luck with my Invacare chairs, obviously since 2 have 
lasted 19 years.



What would you recommend?



Nicki

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Nichole Rohling]

I would do a commercial for them! I honestly can’t imagine being in anything 
but Invacare,.

Thank you so much for your advice over the years!

 

Nicki

 

From: wheelch...@aol.com [mailto:wheelch...@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 5:31 PM
To: zoocr...@windstream.net; ju...@jlar.org; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

When you call Invacare Customer Service, be prepared to lay it on thick.  Let 
them know you love their chair and would not want to be stuck in another brand, 
 start crying if you must.  Let them know what the vendors are doing to 
consumers. Who knows what they can do for you.  Good Luck and I hope you 
win an Oscar !

 

Best Wishes

 

In a message dated 6/19/2017 12:42:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
zoocr...@windstream.net writes:

They told me we would have to prove that no other chair would work for me? Did 
you have this same experience?

 

Nicki

 

From: Julie [mailto:ju...@jlar.org] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:03 PM
To: 'Nichole Rohling'
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

Hi,

I am getting a new Invacare Torque 3 Wednesday.  They were halted for a couple 
years, so I waited but they are at least in operation now.

Julie

From: Nichole Rohling [mailto:zoocr...@windstream.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:40 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

Need your opinions and input please

 

I have been injured almost 19 years (Thought it was 20 but I was wrong) and I 
am getting ready to get a new chair.

This will be my 3rd chair and and my 1st two were Invacare Action Arrow Storms. 
They are no longer making this chair L

I hate change! I went to an evaluation appointment and was told the chair I 
want (Invacare Torque 3) is considered a Group 4 chair

And it would be difficult to get. They recommended a Permobil C350 or Quantum 
Rival.

 

They told me that an Invacare plant had been shut down by the FDA ( I think 
that’s right) and their concern is if I got the

Invacare they might quit making parts for it. 

 

I feel they probably make more $$ off the other two chairs (I just really have 
trust issues with them) 

. I have had incredible luck with my Invacare chairs, obviously since 2 have 
lasted 19 years. 

 

What would you recommend?

 

Nicki

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[wheelchair]

Commission people could/would say something like this.  Remember who  they 
work for
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 6/19/2017 4:15:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
zoocr...@windstream.net writes:

 
Yes,  and they said it would take longer to get the chair. 
Nicki 
 
 
From: Jeffrey Gaede  [mailto:jsga...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:57  PM
To: Nichole Rohling; 'Julie';  quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New  Chair

 
 
Someone is telling  you that you have to prove that no other chair would 
work?  I would want  to see that in writing.
 

 
 
 
 
  

 
From:  Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net>
To:  'Julie' <ju...@jlar.org>; quad-list@eskimo.com 
Sent:  Monday, June 19, 2017 10:42 AM
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New  Chair
 
 
 
 
 
They told me we  would have to prove that no other chair would work for me? 
Did you have this  same experience?
 

 
Nicki
 

 
 
 
From:  Julie [mailto:ju...@jlar.org]  
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:03 PM
To: 'Nichole  Rohling'
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair


 

 
Hi,
 
I am getting a new  Invacare Torque 3 Wednesday.  They were halted for a 
couple years, so I  waited but they are at least in operation now.
 
Julie
 
 
 
From: Nichole Rohling  [mailto:zoocr...@windstream.net] 
Sent: Monday,  June 19, 2017 12:40 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] New  Chair


 

 
Need your opinions  and input please
 

 
I have been  injured almost 19 years (Thought it was 20 but I was wrong) 
and I am getting  ready to get a new chair.
 
This will be my  3rd chair and and my 1st two were Invacare Action Arrow  
Storms. They are no longer making this chair L
 
I hate change! I  went to an evaluation appointment and was told the chair 
I want (Invacare  Torque 3) is considered a Group 4 chair
 
And it would be  difficult to get. They recommended a Permobil C350 or 
Quantum  Rival.
 

 
They told me that  an Invacare plant had been shut down by the FDA ( I 
think that’s right) and  their concern is if I got the
 
Invacare they  might quit making parts for it. 
 

 
I feel they  probably make more $$ off the other two chairs (I just really 
have trust  issues with them) 
 
. I have had  incredible luck with my Invacare chairs, obviously since 2 
have lasted 19  years. 
 

 
What would you  recommend?
 

 
Nicki

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[wheelchair]

I found this most interesting.  So I called Invacare and read back to  them 
what you wrote.  I was assure that they were still in business and new  
plants continue to open.
 
Have you considered calling your local CMS Office and asking for a written  
copy of the procedure/guideline for someone in need of an electric 
wheelchair,  with a doctor's order.
 
Your salesperson is trying to guide you to a product they stock, for their  
benefit, not yours.  Call Invacare Customer Service and hear from the  
Horse's Mouth... rather than from the Horse's Ass.  (smiling)
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 6/19/2017 11:48:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
zoocr...@windstream.net writes:

 
Need your opinions and input please 
I have been injured almost 19 years (Thought it was 20 but  I was wrong) 
and I am getting ready to get a new chair. 
This will be my 3rd chair and and my  1st two were Invacare Action Arrow 
Storms. They are no longer  making this chair L 
I hate change! I went to an evaluation appointment and was  told the chair 
I want (Invacare Torque 3) is considered a Group 4  chair 
And it would be difficult to get. They recommended a  Permobil C350 or 
Quantum Rival. 
They told me that an Invacare plant had been shut down by  the FDA ( I 
think that’s right) and their concern is if I got  the 
Invacare they might quit making parts for it.   
I feel they probably make more $$ off the other two chairs  (I just really 
have trust issues with them)  
. I have had incredible luck with my Invacare chairs,  obviously since 2 
have lasted 19 years.  
What would you recommend? 
Nicki

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Nichole Rohling]

Thank you Raymond

 

From: Raymond Kelly [mailto:kelra...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:40 PM
To: 'Nichole Rohling'
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

>From what I have heard about Invacare I would stay away from them if you
can. I get my wheelchairs through the VA and they said they will not deal
with Invacare anymore until they get there FDA problem straightened out. I
have had a couple different wheelchair vendors basically tell me the same
thing. I can tell you that I have had two permobil wheelchair so far and I
have had very good luck with them. I know firsthand that Permobil does make
a very good product.

That is my 2 cents.

 

Raymond

C3/4 complete

 

From: Nichole Rohling [mailto:zoocr...@windstream.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:40 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

Need your opinions and input please

 

I have been injured almost 19 years (Thought it was 20 but I was wrong) and
I am getting ready to get a new chair.

This will be my 3rd chair and and my 1st two were Invacare Action Arrow
Storms. They are no longer making this chair L

I hate change! I went to an evaluation appointment and was told the chair I
want (Invacare Torque 3) is considered a Group 4 chair

And it would be difficult to get. They recommended a Permobil C350 or
Quantum Rival.

 

They told me that an Invacare plant had been shut down by the FDA ( I think
that's right) and their concern is if I got the

Invacare they might quit making parts for it. 

 

I feel they probably make more $$ off the other two chairs (I just really
have trust issues with them) 

. I have had incredible luck with my Invacare chairs, obviously since 2 have
lasted 19 years. 

 

What would you recommend?

 

Nicki

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Nichole Rohling]

I was anxiously awaiting your response Wheelchair! I will call  my CMS office 
and ask. Invacare has been nothing but wonderful and helpful to me, why would I 
want to change?

 

Nicki

 

From: wheelch...@aol.com [mailto:wheelch...@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 4:15 PM
To: zoocr...@windstream.net; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

I found this most interesting.  So I called Invacare and read back to them what 
you wrote.  I was assure that they were still in business and new plants 
continue to open.

 

Have you considered calling your local CMS Office and asking for a written copy 
of the procedure/guideline for someone in need of an electric wheelchair, with 
a doctor's order.

 

Your salesperson is trying to guide you to a product they stock, for their 
benefit, not yours.  Call Invacare Customer Service and hear from the Horse's 
Mouth... rather than from the Horse's Ass. (smiling)

Best Wishes

 

In a message dated 6/19/2017 11:48:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
zoocr...@windstream.net writes:

Need your opinions and input please

 

I have been injured almost 19 years (Thought it was 20 but I was wrong) and I 
am getting ready to get a new chair.

This will be my 3rd chair and and my 1st two were Invacare Action Arrow Storms. 
They are no longer making this chair L

I hate change! I went to an evaluation appointment and was told the chair I 
want (Invacare Torque 3) is considered a Group 4 chair

And it would be difficult to get. They recommended a Permobil C350 or Quantum 
Rival.

 

They told me that an Invacare plant had been shut down by the FDA ( I think 
that’s right) and their concern is if I got the

Invacare they might quit making parts for it. 

 

I feel they probably make more $$ off the other two chairs (I just really have 
trust issues with them) 

. I have had incredible luck with my Invacare chairs, obviously since 2 have 
lasted 19 years. 

 

What would you recommend?

 

Nicki

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Nichole Rohling]

Yes, and they said it would take longer to get the chair.

Nicki

 

From: Jeffrey Gaede [mailto:jsga...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:57 PM
To: Nichole Rohling; 'Julie'; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

Someone is telling you that you have to prove that no other chair would work?  
I would want to see that in writing.

 

  _  

From: Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net>
To: 'Julie' <ju...@jlar.org>; quad-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:42 AM
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

They told me we would have to prove that no other chair would work for me? Did 
you have this same experience?

 

Nicki

 

From: Julie [mailto:ju...@jlar.org] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:03 PM
To: 'Nichole Rohling'
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

Hi,

I am getting a new Invacare Torque 3 Wednesday.  They were halted for a couple 
years, so I waited but they are at least in operation now.

Julie

From: Nichole Rohling [mailto:zoocr...@windstream.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:40 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

Need your opinions and input please

 

I have been injured almost 19 years (Thought it was 20 but I was wrong) and I 
am getting ready to get a new chair.

This will be my 3rd chair and and my 1st two were Invacare Action Arrow Storms. 
They are no longer making this chair L

I hate change! I went to an evaluation appointment and was told the chair I 
want (Invacare Torque 3) is considered a Group 4 chair

And it would be difficult to get. They recommended a Permobil C350 or Quantum 
Rival.

 

They told me that an Invacare plant had been shut down by the FDA ( I think 
that’s right) and their concern is if I got the

Invacare they might quit making parts for it. 

 

I feel they probably make more $$ off the other two chairs (I just really have 
trust issues with them) 

. I have had incredible luck with my Invacare chairs, obviously since 2 have 
lasted 19 years. 

 

What would you recommend?

 

Nicki

 

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Nichole Rohling]

Good to know

 

From: Danny Hearn [mailto:ddh...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:20 PM
To: Nichole Rohling
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

No, Mine has to be open also...never had the solid type, Will not work for me 
either. Dan H***

 

On Monday, June 19, 2017 1:34 PM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net> 
wrote:

 

Thanks, the Quantum Rival is made by Pride Mobility. Do you have the footrest 
that is more like a platform and is solid?

I eat out a lot and need my footrests to have space between them to straddle 
the post if a table has single post, that is

Definitely a must for me.

 

Nicki

 

From: Danny Hearn [mailto:ddh...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:03 PM
To: Nichole Rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

My last 2 chairs have been invacare storm series also with rear wheel drive, I 
just had to get a new chair and wanted the same, since they work for us plus 
fit in our mini astro wheelchair van..They told me everyone including 
invacare is getting away from the rear wheel drive chairs, so my supplier 
ordered me a chair from Pride Mobility that still makes a rear wheel drive, 
They use Quantam Electronics I think. So far I am very happy with this new 
chair except my legs are so long that I don't have very much clearance from the 
floor...so I have to recline back a few inches when going over ramps,thresholds 
or outside, I'm now used to that but most people would not have this problem 
probably. I love the Electronics...they have a quick change button that can 
switch from tilt/leg lift or back into drive and then 4 speeds of drive, this 
chair is fast goes 7.5 mph. It even has a built in clock and how many miles you 
driveSince I got it in February I have put 91.3  miles on it. The tires are 
extremely good and show zero wear so far.( my invacare tires would be at 
least a quarter of the way worn out already) so these must be very well made.  
I now have my last chair going as a back up but my old back up chair I am 
giving away if anyone wants it or needs partsIt works and has the charger 
with it but has set so long It would need the batteries replaced...It is also 
and invacare storm rear wheel drive chair with tilt and leg lift, there is a 
place online called Wholesare batteries that sells all the same batteries we 
need for much,much cheaper than the suppliers do.  Dan H. St. Louis, Mo. area.

 

On Monday, June 19, 2017 11:49 AM, Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net> 
wrote:

 

Need your opinions and input please

 

I have been injured almost 19 years (Thought it was 20 but I was wrong) and I 
am getting ready to get a new chair.

This will be my 3rd chair and and my 1st two were Invacare Action Arrow Storms. 
They are no longer making this chair L

I hate change! I went to an evaluation appointment and was told the chair I 
want (Invacare Torque 3) is considered a Group 4 chair

And it would be difficult to get. They recommended a Permobil C350 or Quantum 
Rival.

 

They told me that an Invacare plant had been shut down by the FDA ( I think 
that’s right) and their concern is if I got the

Invacare they might quit making parts for it. 

 

I feel they probably make more $$ off the other two chairs (I just really have 
trust issues with them) 

. I have had incredible luck with my Invacare chairs, obviously since 2 have 
lasted 19 years. 

 

What would you recommend?

 

Nicki

 

 

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Jeffrey Gaede]

Like I was saying earlier, you have to basically live in the chair for who 
knows how many years.  You should be making that choice.  I'm in a Pride chair 
now, after two Invacares.  If I hadn't been steered away from Invacare, that's 
what I would have.  I don't like this Pride chair.  Would I be happier in an 
Invacare?  I don't know but it would've been completely my decision without any 
steering by others.

  From: Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net>
 To: 'Jeffrey Gaede' <jsga...@yahoo.com>; quad-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:47 PM
 Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair
   
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they said it would take longer to get the chair.Nicki  From: Jeffrey Gaede 
[mailto:jsga...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:57 PM
To: Nichole Rohling; 'Julie'; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair  Someone is telling you that you have to prove 
that no other chair would work?  I would want to see that in writing.  From: 
Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net>
To: 'Julie' <ju...@jlar.org>; quad-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:42 AM
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair  They told me we would have to prove that no 
other chair would work for me? Did you have this same experience? Nicki From: 
Julie [mailto:ju...@jlar.org] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:03 PM
To: 'Nichole Rohling'
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair Hi,I am getting a new Invacare Torque 3 
Wednesday.  They were halted for a couple years, so I waited but they are at 
least in operation now.JulieFrom: Nichole Rohling 
[mailto:zoocr...@windstream.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:40 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair Need your o

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Danny Hearn]

My last 2 chairs have been invacare storm series also with rear wheel drive, I 
just had to get a new chair and wanted the same, since they work for us plus 
fit in our mini astro wheelchair van..They told me everyone including 
invacare is getting away from the rear wheel drive chairs, so my supplier 
ordered me a chair from Pride Mobility that still makes a rear wheel drive, 
They use Quantam Electronics I think. So far I am very happy with this new 
chair except my legs are so long that I don't have very much clearance from the 
floor...so I have to recline back a few inches when going over ramps,thresholds 
or outside, I'm now used to that but most people would not have this problem 
probably. I love the Electronics...they have a quick change button that can 
switch from tilt/leg lift or back into drive and then 4 speeds of drive, this 
chair is fast goes 7.5 mph. It even has a built in clock and how many miles you 
driveSince I got it in February I have put 91.3  miles on it. The tires are 
extremely good and show zero wear so far.( my invacare tires would be at 
least a quarter of the way worn out already) so these must be very well made.  
I now have my last chair going as a back up but my old back up chair I am 
giving away if anyone wants it or needs partsIt works and has the charger 
with it but has set so long It would need the batteries replaced...It is also 
and invacare storm rear wheel drive chair with tilt and leg lift, there is a 
place online called Wholesare batteries that sells all the same batteries we 
need for much,much cheaper than the suppliers do.  Dan H. St. Louis, Mo. area. 

On Monday, June 19, 2017 11:49 AM, Nichole Rohling 
 wrote:
 

 Need your opinions and input please  I have 
been injured almost 19 years (Thought it was 20 but I was wrong) and I am 
getting ready to get a new chair.This will be my 3rd chair and and my 1st two 
were Invacare Action Arrow Storms. They are no longer making this chair LI hate 
change! I went to an evaluation appointment and was told the chair I want 
(Invacare Torque 3) is considered a Group 4 chairAnd it would be difficult to 
get. They recommended a Permobil C350 or Quantum Rival.  They told me that an 
Invacare plant had been shut down by the FDA ( I think that’s right) and their 
concern is if I got theInvacare they might quit making parts for it.   I feel 
they probably make more $$ off the other two chairs (I just really have trust 
issues with them) . I have had incredible luck with my Invacare chairs, 
obviously since 2 have lasted 19 years.   What would you recommend?  Nicki

   

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Jeffrey Gaede]

Someone is telling you that you have to prove that no other chair would work?  
I would want to see that in writing.

  From: Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net>
 To: 'Julie' <ju...@jlar.org>; quad-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:42 AM
 Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair
   
They told me we would 
have to prove that no other chair would work for me? Did you have this same 
experience?  Nicki  From: Julie [mailto:ju...@jlar.org] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:03 PM
To: 'Nichole Rohling'
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair  Hi,I am getting a new Invacare Torque 3 
Wednesday.  They were halted for a couple years, so I waited but they are at 
least in operation now.JulieFrom: Nichole Rohling 
[mailto:zoocr...@windstream.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:40 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair  Need your opinions and input please  I have been 
injured almost 19 years (Thought it was 20 but I was wrong) and I am getting 
ready to get a new chair.This will be my 3rd chair and and my 1st two were 
Invacare Action Arrow Storms. They are no longer making this chair LI hate 
change! I went to an evaluation appointment and was told the chair I want 
(Invacare Torque 3) is considered a Group 4 chairAnd it would be difficult to 
get. They recommended a Permobil C350 or Quantum Rival.  They told me that an 
Invacare plant had been shut down by the FDA ( I think that’s right) and their 
concern is if I got theInvacare they might quit making parts for it.   I feel 
they probably make more $$ off the other two chairs (I just really have trust 
issues with them) . I have had incredible luck with my Invacare chairs, 
obviously since 2 have lasted 19 years.   What would you recommend?  Nicki

   

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Nichole Rohling]

Thank you for your input!! I called Invacare last fall so looks like I’ll be 
calling again. I know my vendor has

An issue w/ Invacare because they started shipping parts orders together 
instead of separated.

 

Nicki

 

From: Jeffrey Gaede [mailto:jsga...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:13 PM
To: Nichole Rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

I think that's BS.  Go to the Invacare site.  Last time I went there they were 
fine.  It may take more to get what you want but get what you want.  I didn't.  
I listened to a specific individual who steered me away from Invacare, even 
though my last two chairs were Invacare and I loved them.  Don't settle.  Do 
research.

 

  _  

From: Nichole Rohling <zoocr...@windstream.net>
To: quad-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:50 AM
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

Need your opinions and input please

 

I have been injured almost 19 years (Thought it was 20 but I was wrong) and I 
am getting ready to get a new chair.

This will be my 3rd chair and and my 1st two were Invacare Action Arrow Storms. 
They are no longer making this chair L

I hate change! I went to an evaluation appointment and was told the chair I 
want (Invacare Torque 3) is considered a Group 4 chair

And it would be difficult to get. They recommended a Permobil C350 or Quantum 
Rival.

 

They told me that an Invacare plant had been shut down by the FDA ( I think 
that’s right) and their concern is if I got the

Invacare they might quit making parts for it. 

 

I feel they probably make more $$ off the other two chairs (I just really have 
trust issues with them) 

. I have had incredible luck with my Invacare chairs, obviously since 2 have 
lasted 19 years. 

 

What would you recommend?

 

Nicki

 

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Nichole Rohling]

They told me we would have to prove that no other chair would work for me?
Did you have this same experience?

 

Nicki

 

From: Julie [mailto:ju...@jlar.org] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:03 PM
To: 'Nichole Rohling'
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

Hi,

I am getting a new Invacare Torque 3 Wednesday.  They were halted for a
couple years, so I waited but they are at least in operation now.

Julie

From: Nichole Rohling [mailto:zoocr...@windstream.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:40 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

Need your opinions and input please

 

I have been injured almost 19 years (Thought it was 20 but I was wrong) and
I am getting ready to get a new chair.

This will be my 3rd chair and and my 1st two were Invacare Action Arrow
Storms. They are no longer making this chair L

I hate change! I went to an evaluation appointment and was told the chair I
want (Invacare Torque 3) is considered a Group 4 chair

And it would be difficult to get. They recommended a Permobil C350 or
Quantum Rival.

 

They told me that an Invacare plant had been shut down by the FDA ( I think
that's right) and their concern is if I got the

Invacare they might quit making parts for it. 

 

I feel they probably make more $$ off the other two chairs (I just really
have trust issues with them) 

. I have had incredible luck with my Invacare chairs, obviously since 2 have
lasted 19 years. 

 

What would you recommend?

 

Nicki

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Jeffrey Gaede]

I think that's BS.  Go to the Invacare site.  Last time I went there they were 
fine.  It may take more to get what you want but get what you want.  I didn't.  
I listened to a specific individual who steered me away from Invacare, even 
though my last two chairs were Invacare and I loved them.  Don't settle.  Do 
research.

  From: Nichole Rohling 
 To: quad-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:50 AM
 Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair
   
Need your opinions and input please  I have 
been injured almost 19 years (Thought it was 20 but I was wrong) and I am 
getting ready to get a new chair.This will be my 3rd chair and and my 1st two 
were Invacare Action Arrow Storms. They are no longer making this chair LI hate 
change! I went to an evaluation appointment and was told the chair I want 
(Invacare Torque 3) is considered a Group 4 chairAnd it would be difficult to 
get. They recommended a Permobil C350 or Quantum Rival.  They told me that an 
Invacare plant had been shut down by the FDA ( I think that’s right) and their 
concern is if I got theInvacare they might quit making parts for it.   I feel 
they probably make more $$ off the other two chairs (I just really have trust 
issues with them) . I have had incredible luck with my Invacare chairs, 
obviously since 2 have lasted 19 years.   What would you recommend?  Nicki

   

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[RONALD L PRACHT]

Ive gotten two manual chairs since 1998. My first one was an action mvp and the 
second and current chair is a quickie 2 which I have held together from ebay 
parts from (2001-2017). I have replaced everything on the chair at least once 
except the red frame, which is wobbly because its a folder. Ive had 10 sets on 
rear tires, 4 sets of casters, 2 jay backs, 3 jay 2 cushions, 8 sets of scissor 
brakes, 6 sets of sideguards 7 seatbelts, 4 seat platforms, I found every part 
either at sportaid, ebay or somewhere else online. In 2001 I got lucky and was 
presented a brand new p-222 special edition Darryl Gywnn Racing power chair. 
That chair has some guts, it will climb places you shouldn't go. The first week 
I had it I took it close to a mile on rough grassy hills to get to the lake and 
popped a front tire. I was stupid and got air filled front casters(8x2) and to 
make it worse you couldn't take the wheel off without taking the tension off 
this spring system used for the suspension. I  called the dealer that presented 
it to me and he said, I learned the hard way with a chevy nova not to take 
things apart I couldn't handle, he was telling me not to get my father to fix 
it, but the price was 180.00, so my dad pulled it apart in the living room and 
I replaced the air filled tires with foam filled. That chair now sits in the 
corner with dead batteries and Im still in my quickie 2.
The biggest problem how things are handled with mobility solutions for the 
disabled is inequality. One guy gets a house given to him, free vans and 
another guy is given one hospital chair. Nothing is equal or even close to 
fair, the squeaky wheel and the best insurance plans get the most and the best. 
We need something that's equal across the board for every disabled individual. 
Im so tired of one golden boy or girl getting everything while someone else is 
laying in a bed that they cant get a new mattress for with half a dozen bed 
sores. Am I the only one that's heard the stories and had disabled friends die 
over a wheelchair cushion they never got?
Ron  

On Thursday, January 19, 2017 8:39 PM, greg  wrote:
 

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Joseph's wheelchair clinic, with a dealer rep. 
They said Medicare wont cover seat raisers anymore for any reason.Even with a 
docs orders. We are going to write it up and hope. I'll try appealing.Have to 
at least try.Greg > A medical doctor that specializes in rehab medicine, can 
order such> based on your medical needs. Best Wishes  >> In a message dated 
1/19/2017 7:07:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,> g...@eskimo.com writes:> Had 
an appointment>> yesterday, getting fit for a new chair. They said my AARP>> 
Medicare Replacement does not cover seat elevators or bigger>> motors. I 
understand not covering faster motors, but I need the>> seat raised to get 
transfered. It costs like $2,500-$3,000 to add>> it. Same for bigger motors. 
Thats $5-6,000, just for that. Plus>> 20% Ouch... Greg

   

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[wheelchair]

Have YOU consider a written appeal to your insurance.
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 1/19/2017 8:39:32 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
g...@eskimo.com writes:

I was at St. Joseph's wheelchair clinic,  with a dealer rep. 
They said Medicare wont cover seat raisers anymore for  any reason.
Even with a docs orders. We are going to  write it up and hope. I'll try 
appealing.
Have to at least try.
Greg
 
> A medical doctor that  specializes in rehab medicine, can order such
> based on your medical  needs. Best Wishes  
>
> In a message dated  1/19/2017 7:07:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> g...@eskimo.com  writes:
>
>>
>> Had an  appointment
>> yesterday, getting  fit for a new chair. They said my AARP
>> Medicare  Replacement does not cover seat elevators or bigger
>> motors. I  understand not covering faster motors, but I need the
>> seat raised to get  transfered. It costs like $2,500-$3,000 to add
>> it. Same for bigger  motors. Thats $5-6,000, just for that. Plus
>> 20% Ouch...  Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[greg]

I was at St. Joseph's wheelchair clinic, with a dealer rep. They said Medicare wont cover seat raisers anymore for any reason.
Even with a docs orders. We are going to write it up and hope. I'll try appealing.
Have to at least try.
Greg
 
> A medical doctor that specializes in rehab medicine, can order such
> based on your medical needs. Best Wishes  
>
> In a message dated 1/19/2017 7:07:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> g...@eskimo.com writes:
>
>>
>> Had an appointment
>> yesterday, getting fit for a new chair. They said my AARP
>> Medicare Replacement does not cover seat elevators or bigger
>> motors. I understand not covering faster motors, but I need the
>> seat raised to get transfered. It costs like $2,500-$3,000 to add
>> it. Same for bigger motors. Thats $5-6,000, just for that. Plus
>> 20% Ouch... Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[wheelchair]

A medical doctor that specializes in rehab medicine, can order such based  
on your medical needs.
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 1/19/2017 7:07:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
g...@eskimo.com writes:

Had an appointment  yesterday, getting fit for a new chair. They said my 
AARP Medicare Replacement  does not cover seat elevators or bigger motors. I 
understand not covering  faster motors, but I need the seat raised to get 
transfered. It costs like  $2,500-$3,000 to add it. Same for bigger motors. 
Thats $5-6,000, just for  that. Plus 20% Ouch...  Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Lori Michaelson]

Ditto as Danny as far as the reclining option on my Permobil M 300 in
September 2011 and the price of the entire chair was $32,000 I think.
Medicare covered that but I had to pay the 20% that Medicare did not pay
and had to pay the full $5000 for the recline option.

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Danny Espinoza 
wrote:

> I had to pay out of pocket for mine on my Permobil m300.
> -Danny
>
>
>
> *From:* greg [mailto:g...@eskimo.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2016 4:51 PM
> *To:* quad-list@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* [QUAD-L] New Chair
>
>
>
> I finely started the new chair process. I just kept putting it off. Cost
> to darn much, I owe 20%. They told me Medicare no longer pays for seat
> elevator or faster motors. So that's even more for me. I have AARP Medicare
> Replacement. Covers a bit more, but same rules for durable medical.
>
>
>
> Was anyone able to get seat elevator or faster motors covered? If so, what
> need did you use?
>
>
>
> I never tie down, I sit sideways behind the seat. Now my motors auto break
> is so warn out, I roll a lot. We had to hit the breaks hard coming home. I
> was too much at an angle and rolled into the back of the seat. Snapped my
> joystick right off. All the screws just snapped. Luckily I had 1 extra
> screw at home. Supposed to use 4.
>
>
>
> The new chairs sound pretty good. Said it could have a USB, and the
> joystick can operate remote controls. Very cool.
>
>
>
> Greg
>



-- 
"Petting, scratching and cuddling a dog could be soothing to the mind and
heart and deep meditation and almost as good for the soul as prayer." ~Dean
Koontz

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Danny Espinoza]

I had to pay out of pocket for mine on my Permobil m300.
-Danny

 

From: greg [mailto:g...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 4:51 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

I finely started the new chair process. I just kept putting it off. Cost to
darn much, I owe 20%. They told me Medicare no longer pays for seat elevator
or faster motors. So that's even more for me. I have AARP Medicare
Replacement. Covers a bit more, but same rules for durable medical.

 

Was anyone able to get seat elevator or faster motors covered? If so, what
need did you use?

 

I never tie down, I sit sideways behind the seat. Now my motors auto break
is so warn out, I roll a lot. We had to hit the breaks hard coming home. I
was too much at an angle and rolled into the back of the seat. Snapped my
joystick right off. All the screws just snapped. Luckily I had 1 extra screw
at home. Supposed to use 4.

 

The new chairs sound pretty good. Said it could have a USB, and the joystick
can operate remote controls. Very cool.

 

Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Cost

[Danny Hearn]

Bob, this is almost exactly what we paid over 6 years ago, so that figure is 
probably still close depending on make and model, my back up chair is getting 
about old and outdatedI think I will need a new chair this year also. Dan 
H** 

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 11:09 AM, Robert Vogel  wrote:
 

 Hi Greg,
I am working on an article for New Mobility magazine and specifically working 
on this part of the article—how much doesMedicare pricing reimburse compared to 
Retail price.  I compared the leading Manufacturers—Permobil, Pride (Quantum) 
and for what you are looking for, base, tilt recline, etc. the prices are 
similar.
The one I “created” was based on a person who needed power tilt and power 
recline and power elevating leg rests, also a custom back support. 
Keep in mind this was just information for an article, however I did check and 
re-check on this.  Medicare reimbursement for this this chair came to 
$18,141.00.  Your co-pay would be 20% of $18,141.00, so you are looking at a 
co-pay of around$3,628
Hope this helps.
Bob V

On Mar 3, 2016, at 7:54 AM, wheelch...@aol.com wrote:

19-20 K is an easy guess.    Base price for a simple mobility chair is 6-7k   
Rehab Chairs  10-12KBut you can call a local DME and ask over the phone. Best 
Wishes In a message dated 3/3/2016 9:40:24 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
g...@eskimo.com writes:
 I know it's a wide rage, but what's a new power chair, tilt, recline, seat 
raise, foot raise, go for now adays?   I need a new one soon and have to pay a 
20% co-pay.   Thanks, Greg



  

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Cost

[Robert Vogel]

Hi Greg,

I am working on an article for New Mobility magazine and specifically working 
on this part of the article—how much does
Medicare pricing reimburse compared to Retail price.  I compared the leading 
Manufacturers—Permobil, Pride (Quantum) 
and for what you are looking for, base, tilt recline, etc. the prices are 
similar.

The one I “created” was based on a person who needed power tilt and power 
recline and power elevating leg rests, also a 
custom back support. 

Keep in mind this was just information for an article, however I did check and 
re-check on this.  Medicare reimbursement for this 
this chair came to $18,141.00.  Your co-pay would be 20% of $18,141.00, so you 
are looking at a co-pay of around
$3,628

Hope this helps.

Bob V

> On Mar 3, 2016, at 7:54 AM, wheelch...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> 19-20 K is an easy guess.Base price for a simple mobility chair is 6-7k   
> Rehab Chairs  10-12K
> But you can call a local DME and ask over the phone.
>  
> Best Wishes
>  
> In a message dated 3/3/2016 9:40:24 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
> g...@eskimo.com writes:
> I know it's a wide rage, but what's a new power chair, tilt, recline, seat 
> raise, foot raise, go for now adays?
>  
> I need a new one soon and have to pay a 20% co-pay.
>  
> Thanks, Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair Cost

[wheelchair]

19-20 K is an easy guess.Base price for a simple  mobility chair is 
6-7k   Rehab Chairs  10-12K
But you can call a local DME and ask over the phone.
 
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 3/3/2016 9:40:24 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
g...@eskimo.com writes:

I know it's a wide  rage, but what's a new power chair, tilt, recline, seat 
raise, foot raise, go  for now adays?
 
I need a new one soon  and have to pay a 20% co-pay.
 
Thanks,  Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[Fragile]

I had a varalight on my previous chair, really miss it.

On 10/11/15, shirley bell <sbell...@cox.net> wrote:
> Hi all, I am going for a new chair and seating system to sit better. I have
> been looking at the utube video on the Java ride design cushion and back and
> it looks great. They seem to know what they are doing. I am in RI however.
> has anyone used this product and are the other jayback or varalight products
> as good? I Don't need the custom cushion. any thoughts? my posture is bad
> and uncomfortable and these rohos don't support.
> Kind regards,
> Shirley Bell
>
> www.ShirleyBellDesigns.com
>   - Original Message -
>   From: diannal...@aol.com
>   To: wheel...@centurylink.net ; quad-list@eskimo.com
>   Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 9:02 PM
>   Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair
>
>
>   my wheelchair rep came out today and changed the back on my chair. i'm so
> happy, feels great. it's not a jay3 but a veralite icon air back. it also
> has little lateral support. the other had way too much.  she was familiar
> with the jay3 website you showed me but my computer was malfunctioning and I
> couldn't get aol up running to get to your links for you tube but i'm going
> to send them to her later. thank you sooo much for feedback. she's also
> coming back out to change my legs/foot rests as they are still too long
> after changing the back.
>   dianna
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Derrick <wheel...@centurylink.net>
>   To: diannal767 <diannal...@aol.com>
>   Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2015 1:49 pm
>   Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair
>
>
>   i;ve been researching backs and cushions. do u want me to email u my
> notes, links, reviews of them? it's in word doc.
>
>   maybe u can get another adjustable back and/or cushion to help fit u to
> chair better
>   check out the Jay3 back. it has videos about fitting the back to your back
> issue" scoliosis "
>   follow link, then click on "documents, images,videos"
> http://www.sunrisemedical.com/products/jay/backs/jayj3back.aspx?tab=Media
>
>   other backs with videos ..
>
>
>   https://www.comfortcompany.com/category/Comfort Rehab/Back Care
>   JAVA Back
>   http://www.ridedesigns.com/configured-cushions.html
>   https://www.youtube.com/user/RideDesigns/videos?view=0
>   Java back fitting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA4eN-aLbqQ
>
>   my buddy just got jay3 back. he really like it.
>   derrick
>
>   On 6/30/2015 10:24 AM, diannal...@aol.com wrote:
>
> my wheelchair rep has been back and says she'll be back with a different
> back. and back until i'm comfortable with my chair. but it's just so far off
> her "measurements", i don't think this is right. i guess i'll be finding
> out. it's only my 2nd chair through medicaid in 25 yrs. but now, 25 yrs
> later, scoliosis has developed from not sitting correctly and i'm finding
> these chairs very uncomfortable. just venting because i think i'm going to
> be stuck with something i don't like. to get the back close to right, the
> legs are too long, etc. it is however my first recline, i had hoped a
> smoother transfer of chairs.
> dianna
>
>   I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO
> and not sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need.
> Remember that providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must
> comply with insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the
> manufacturer via the internet.  You can try out anything you want.
> Manufacture Reps are more than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.  Otherwise
> others will.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wheelchair <wheelch...@aol.com>
> To: wheelsdw <wheel...@centurylink.net>; quad-list
> <quad-list@eskimo.com>
> Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2015 10:11 pm
> Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair
>
>
> I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO
> and not sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need.
> Remember that providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must
> comply with insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the
> manufacturer via the internet.  You can try out anything you want.
> Manufacture Reps are more than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.  Otherwise
> others will.
>
> Best Wishe
>
> In a message dated 6/29/2015 1:23:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> wheel...@centurylink.net writes:
>   All companies the same. They do not give a crap about fitting the best
>
>   chair. They should not get away with this.
>   Until you find a company that really c

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[diannal767]

Ask Wally, aka Wheelchair.
dianna


I had a varalight on my previous chair, really miss it.

On 10/11/15, shirley
bell <sbell...@cox.net> wrote:
> Hi all, I am going for a new chair and seating
system to sit better. I have
> been looking at the utube video on the Java ride
design cushion and back and
> it looks great. They seem to know what they are
doing. I am in RI however.
> has anyone used this product and are the other
jayback or varalight products
> as good? I Don't need the custom cushion. any
thoughts? my posture is bad
> and uncomfortable and these rohos don't
support.
> Kind regards,
> Shirley Bell





-Original Message-
From: Fragile <swl...@gmail.com>
To: shirley bell <sbell...@cox.net>
Cc: diannal767 <diannal...@aol.com>; quad-list <quad-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 12, 2015 8:35 am
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair


I had a varalight on my previous chair, really miss it.

On 10/11/15, shirley
bell <sbell...@cox.net> wrote:
> Hi all, I am going for a new chair and seating
system to sit better. I have
> been looking at the utube video on the Java ride
design cushion and back and
> it looks great. They seem to know what they are
doing. I am in RI however.
> has anyone used this product and are the other
jayback or varalight products
> as good? I Don't need the custom cushion. any
thoughts? my posture is bad
> and uncomfortable and these rohos don't
support.
> Kind regards,
> Shirley Bell
>
> www.ShirleyBellDesigns.com
>  
- Original Message -
>   From: diannal...@aol.com
>   To:
wheel...@centurylink.net ; quad-list@eskimo.com
>   Sent: Thursday, July 02,
2015 9:02 PM
>   Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair
>
>
>   my wheelchair rep
came out today and changed the back on my chair. i'm so
> happy, feels great.
it's not a jay3 but a veralite icon air back. it also
> has little lateral
support. the other had way too much.  she was familiar
> with the jay3 website
you showed me but my computer was malfunctioning and I
> couldn't get aol up
running to get to your links for you tube but i'm going
> to send them to her
later. thank you sooo much for feedback. she's also
> coming back out to change
my legs/foot rests as they are still too long
> after changing the back.
>  
dianna
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Derrick
<wheel...@centurylink.net>
>   To: diannal767 <diannal...@aol.com>
>   Sent:
Tue, Jun 30, 2015 1:49 pm
>   Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair
>
>
>   i;ve
been researching backs and cushions. do u want me to email u my
> notes, links,
reviews of them? it's in word doc.
>
>   maybe u can get another adjustable
back and/or cushion to help fit u to
> chair better
>   check out the Jay3
back. it has videos about fitting the back to your back
> issue" scoliosis "
>
follow link, then click on "documents, images,videos"
>
http://www.sunrisemedical.com/products/jay/backs/jayj3back.aspx?tab=Media
>
> 
other backs with videos ..
>
>
>  
https://www.comfortcompany.com/category/Comfort Rehab/Back Care
>   JAVA
Back
>   http://www.ridedesigns.com/configured-cushions.html
>  
https://www.youtube.com/user/RideDesigns/videos?view=0
>   Java back fitting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA4eN-aLbqQ
>
>   my buddy just got jay3 back.
he really like it.
>   derrick
>
>   On 6/30/2015 10:24 AM,
diannal...@aol.com wrote:
>
> my wheelchair rep has been back and says
she'll be back with a different
> back. and back until i'm comfortable with my
chair. but it's just so far off
> her "measurements", i don't think this is
right. i guess i'll be finding
> out. it's only my 2nd chair through medicaid
in 25 yrs. but now, 25 yrs
> later, scoliosis has developed from not sitting
correctly and i'm finding
> these chairs very uncomfortable. just venting
because i think i'm going to
> be stuck with something i don't like. to get the
back close to right, the
> legs are too long, etc. it is however my first
recline, i had hoped a
> smoother transfer of chairs.
> dianna
>
>  
I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO
> and
not sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need.
> Remember
that providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must
> comply
with insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the
>
manufacturer via the internet.  You can try out anything you want.
>
Manufacture Reps are more than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.  Otherwise
>
others will.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From:
wheelchair <wheelch...@aol.com>
> To: wheelsdw <wheel...@centurylink.net>;
quad-list
> <quad-list@eskimo.com>
>

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[shirley bell]

Hi all, I am going for a new chair and seating system to sit better. I have 
been looking at the utube video on the Java ride design cushion and back and it 
looks great. They seem to know what they are doing. I am in RI however. has 
anyone used this product and are the other jayback or varalight products as 
good? I Don't need the custom cushion. any thoughts? my posture is bad and 
uncomfortable and these rohos don't support. 
Kind regards,
Shirley Bell

www.ShirleyBellDesigns.com
  - Original Message - 
  From: diannal...@aol.com 
  To: wheel...@centurylink.net ; quad-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 9:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair


  my wheelchair rep came out today and changed the back on my chair. i'm so 
happy, feels great. it's not a jay3 but a veralite icon air back. it also has 
little lateral support. the other had way too much.  she was familiar with the 
jay3 website you showed me but my computer was malfunctioning and I couldn't 
get aol up running to get to your links for you tube but i'm going to send them 
to her later. thank you sooo much for feedback. she's also coming back out to 
change my legs/foot rests as they are still too long after changing the back.
  dianna

  -Original Message-
  From: Derrick <wheel...@centurylink.net>
  To: diannal767 <diannal...@aol.com>
  Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2015 1:49 pm
  Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair


  i;ve been researching backs and cushions. do u want me to email u my notes, 
links, reviews of them? it's in word doc. 

  maybe u can get another adjustable back and/or cushion to help fit u to chair 
better 
  check out the Jay3 back. it has videos about fitting the back to your back 
issue" scoliosis "
  follow link, then click on "documents, images,videos" 
http://www.sunrisemedical.com/products/jay/backs/jayj3back.aspx?tab=Media 

  other backs with videos ..


  https://www.comfortcompany.com/category/Comfort Rehab/Back Care
  JAVA Back
  http://www.ridedesigns.com/configured-cushions.html
  https://www.youtube.com/user/RideDesigns/videos?view=0
  Java back fitting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA4eN-aLbqQ

  my buddy just got jay3 back. he really like it. 
  derrick 

  On 6/30/2015 10:24 AM, diannal...@aol.com wrote: 

my wheelchair rep has been back and says she'll be back with a different 
back. and back until i'm comfortable with my chair. but it's just so far off 
her "measurements", i don't think this is right. i guess i'll be finding out. 
it's only my 2nd chair through medicaid in 25 yrs. but now, 25 yrs later, 
scoliosis has developed from not sitting correctly and i'm finding these chairs 
very uncomfortable. just venting because i think i'm going to be stuck with 
something i don't like. to get the back close to right, the legs are too long, 
etc. it is however my first recline, i had hoped a smoother transfer of chairs. 
dianna 

  I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO 
and not sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need. 
Remember that providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must 
comply with insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the 
manufacturer via the internet.  You can try out anything you want. Manufacture 
Reps are more than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.  Otherwise others will. 




-Original Message- 
From: wheelchair <wheelch...@aol.com> 
To: wheelsdw <wheel...@centurylink.net>; quad-list <quad-list@eskimo.com> 
    Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2015 10:11 pm 
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair 


I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO and 
not sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need. Remember 
that providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must comply with 
insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the manufacturer via 
the internet.  You can try out anything you want. Manufacture Reps are more 
than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.  Otherwise others will. 
 
Best Wishe 
 
In a message dated 6/29/2015 1:23:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
wheel...@centurylink.net writes: 
  All companies the same. They do not give a crap about fitting the best 
  chair. They should not get away with this.
  Until you find a company that really cares and takes the time to 
  evaluate you, You have to really spend the time to research your self. 
  Then ask for a demo to try for a few weeks. Read reviews, ask other 
  users and give it time to adjust for the change. A new different chair 
  takes time to adjust to.

  I do not think wheelchair manufactures and DME dealers consider people 
  sitting in wheelchairs for 12 hours a day. They should spend the time in 
  customers shoes and ride around town and into stores to see what its like.

  DME are sparse in ru

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[sjg1073gar]

does anyone know where i can find the ''telestik with velcro strap''
Steve C,6,7
 
In a message dated 7/7/2015 12:57:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
diannal...@aol.com writes:

yes, bobbie sent me a video where her chair  comes with a power 
headrest.(same chair) the rep said it wasn't available nor  a medical 
necessity. that 
medicaid wouldn't permit it. i proceeded to tell her  i couldn't unbolt it. 
it's a cosmetic issue, but sometimes it would be nice to  take it off. or 
should i say, hit a button to put it down. it falls in the  category of a para 
not wanting a power chair. but NONE of the options were  discussed with me 
except lateral support that HAD to be changed.  yes,  derrick did a lot of 
research, it really isn't our responsibilitythey  should know but we're 
the ones getting the chairs. in all respect, my rep said  she'd come out until 
it's right.  
dianna (still need shorter legs or foot rests on mine. using dish towels  
to get my legs higher...not cool)

Well I  don't really doubt what dianna said because wheelchair companies 
are  supposed to know when a person in your shape needs and work your 
insurance  company will pay for it shouldn't be our job to know what we need I 
mean 
we  wouldn't even know if our chairs could have certain things done to  them




-Original  Message-
From: john owens <jrowen...@yahoo.com>
To: diannal767  <diannal...@aol.com>
Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2015 12:56 pm
Subject: Re:  [QUAD-L] new chair


 
 
Well I don't really doubt what dianna  said because wheelchair companies 
are supposed to know when a person in your  shape needs and work your 
insurance company will pay for it shouldn't be our  job to know what we need I 
mean 
we wouldn't even know if our chairs could have  certain things done to them 









 
 
On Monday, July 6, 2015 10:12 AM, "_diannal767@aol.com_ 
(mailto:diannal...@aol.com) " <_diannal767@aol.com_ (mailto:diannal...@aol.com) 
>  wrote:




can't thank you  enough for this info derrick. hope others might find it 
useful. i have a  veralite icon (air) cushion and back but the jay3 would've 
been my next step.  love the you tube videos. sent them to my rep.  
dianna 

Yes, DeeDee that would be great.  Bobbie 

Smile Everyday  

On Jul 4, 2015, at 3:52 PM, _diannal767@aol.com_ 
(mailto:diannal...@aol.com)  wrote: 







-Original  Message- 
From: Derrick < _wheelsdw@centurylink.net_ 
(mailto:wheel...@centurylink.net) > 
To: diannal767 < _diannal767@aol.com_ (mailto:diannal...@aol.com) > 
Sent: Tue, Jun  30, 2015 1:49 pm 
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair 


 
i;ve been researching backs and  cushions. do u want me to email u my 
notes, links, reviews of them? it's  in word doc. 

maybe u can get another adjustable back and/or  cushion to help fit u to 
chair better 
check out the Jay3 back. it has  videos about fitting the back to your back 
issue" scoliosis "
follow link, then click on "documents,  images,videos" 
http://www.sunrisemedical.com/products/jay/backs/jayj3back.aspx?tab=Media  

other backs with videos ..

 (https://www.comfortcompany.com/category/Comfort%20Rehab/Back%20Care) 
https://www.comfortcompany.com/category/Comfort  Rehab/Back Care 
JAVA Back
 (http://www.ridedesigns.com/configured-cushions.html) 
http://www.ridedesigns.com/configured-cushions.html
 (https://www.youtube.com/user/RideDesigns/videos?view=0) 
https://www.youtube.com/user/RideDesigns/videos?view=0
Java back fitting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA4eN-aLbqQ  











-Original  Message- 
From: Bobbie Humphreys <_Bobbie299@aol.com_ (mailto:bobbie...@aol.com) > 
To: diannal767  <_diannal767@aol.com_ (mailto:diannal...@aol.com) > 
Sent: Sat, Jul  4, 2015 3:55 pm 
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair 


 
Yes, DeeDee that would be great.  Bobbie 

Smile Everyday  

On Jul 4, 2015, at 3:52 PM, _diannal767@aol.com_ 
(mailto:diannal...@aol.com)  wrote: 







-Original  Message- 
From: Derrick < _wheelsdw@centurylink.net_ 
(mailto:wheel...@centurylink.net) > 
To: diannal767 < _diannal767@aol.com_ (mailto:diannal...@aol.com) > 
Sent: Tue, Jun 30,  2015 1:49 pm 
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair 


 
i;ve been researching backs and  cushions. do u want me to email u my 
notes, links, reviews of them? it's in  word doc. 

maybe u can get another adjustable back and/or cushion to  help fit u to 
chair better 
check out the Jay3 back. it has videos about  fitting the back to your back 
issue" scoliosis "
follow link, then click on "documents,  images,videos" 
http://www.sunrisemedical.com/products/jay/backs/jayj3back.aspx?tab=Media  

other backs with videos ..

 (https://www.comfortcompany.com/category/Comfort%20Rehab/Back%20Care) 
https://www.comfortcompany.com/category/Comfort Rehab/Back  Care 
JAVA Back
 (http://www.ridedesigns.com/configured-cushions.html) 
http://www.ridedesigns.com/configured-cushions.

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[diannal767]

yes, bobbie sent me a video where her chair comes with a power headrest.(same 
chair) the rep said it wasn't available nor a medical necessity. that medicaid 
wouldn't permit it. i proceeded to tell her i couldn't unbolt it. it's a 
cosmetic issue, but sometimes it would be nice to take it off. or should i say, 
hit a button to put it down. it falls in the category of a para not wanting a 
power chair. but NONE of the options were discussed with me except lateral 
support that HAD to be changed.  yes, derrick did a lot of research, it really 
isn't our responsibilitythey should know but we're the ones getting the 
chairs. in all respect, my rep said she'd come out until it's right.
dianna (still need shorter legs or foot rests on mine. using dish towels to get 
my legs higher...not cool)

Well I don't really doubt what dianna said because wheelchair companies are 
supposed to know when a person in your shape needs and work your insurance 
company will pay for it shouldn't be our job to know what we need I mean we 
wouldn't even know if our chairs could have certain things done to them




-Original Message-
From: john owens jrowen...@yahoo.com
To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com
Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2015 12:56 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair


 
  
Well I don't really doubt what dianna said because wheelchair companies are 
supposed to know when a person in your shape needs and work your insurance 
company will pay for it shouldn't be our job to know what we need I mean we 
wouldn't even know if our chairs could have certain things done to them

 

   
  

  
  
   
   
  
  

 
  
On Monday, July 6, 2015 10:12 AM, diannal...@aol.com 
diannal...@aol.com wrote:
   
  
 
  
  
   can't thank you enough for this info derrick. hope others might find it 
useful. i have a veralite icon (air) cushion and back but the jay3 would've 
been my next step. love the you tube videos. sent them to my rep. 
dianna 
  
  

Yes, DeeDee that would be great.  Bobbie 
 
 Smile Everyday

 
 On Jul 4, 2015, at 3:52 PM, diannal...@aol.com wrote: 
 


 
 
 
   
 
   
 
   
 -Original Message-
 From: Derrick wheel...@centurylink.net
 To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com
 Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2015 1:49 pm
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair


 
  
 i;ve been researching backs and cushions. do u want me to email u my notes, 
links, reviews of them? it's in word doc.   
   
 maybe u can get another adjustable back and/or cushion to help fit u to chair 
better   
 check out the Jay3 back. it has videos about fitting the back to your back 
issue   scoliosis 
 follow link, then click on documents, images,videos   
http://www.sunrisemedical.com/products/jay/backs/jayj3back.aspx?tab=Media   

   
 other backs with videos ..
 

https://www.comfortcompany.com/category/Comfort Rehab/Back 
Care   
   
JAVA Back
  
http://www.ridedesigns.com/configured-cushions.html
  
https://www.youtube.com/user/RideDesigns/videos?view=0
  Java back fitting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA4eN-aLbqQ  
  
 

   
 

  
 
  
  
  
  
-Original Message-  
 From: Bobbie Humphreys bobbie...@aol.com  
 To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com  
 Sent: Sat, Jul 4, 2015 3:55 pm  
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair  
   
   

 
 Yes, DeeDee that would be great.  Bobbie  
  
 Smile Everyday 
 
  
 On Jul 4, 2015, at 3:52 PM,  diannal...@aol.com wrote: 
 
  
 
 
  
   
  

  

  

 -Original Message- 
 From: Derrick  wheel...@centurylink.net 
 To: diannal767  diannal...@aol.com 
 Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2015 1:49 pm 
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[diannal767]

yes, i got the veralite icon (air) back. it's high and only about 2 inches from 
my lower back to my butt. it looks like an office chair. if it didn't work, i 
was going to ask for the jay 3.  my cushion is a veralite too. i like the 
backmy butt doesn't stick out either. that was not cool.
dianna

You try any of these?  
 You get Icon back? tall,med.low?  
 Derrick




-Original Message-
From: Derrick wheel...@centurylink.net
To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com
Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2015 3:57 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair


  
i've been researching new cushions  backs.  
 The Evolution got 4.3 out of 5 stars and 91% recommend it. But I like the 
Meridian due to better pressure map and dual chamber to keep you from sliding 
out  sit on tail bone.  
 I drive my own van and need good balance. I never had air cushion before. I am 
wondering if the Wave design would help stability?  
 Did you try the Evolution Wave?   
http://www.varilite.com/products_detail.aspx?prodID=3  
 Did you try Meridian? likes,dislikes?  
   
 I was going to request the Meridian Wave from dealer to check out .  
   
 Here is my list iof cushions:  
   Cushion that I have been reviewing  
 Comfort Company-Vector X...what difference between Vector X  Adjuster X  
 Comfort Company Adjuster X..more options than regular Adjuster??  
 Varilite- Meridian.maybe Meridian Wave if better stability  
 Jay-Fusion  
 Jay2 Deep Contour  
 Roho-Hybird Elite  
 Ride Design Java  
   
 You try any of these?  
 You get Icon back? tall,med.low?  
 Derrick  
   
 On 7/6/2015 11:12 AM,   diannal...@aol.com wrote:  
  
  
  can't thank you enough for this info derrick. hope others might find it 
useful. i have a veralite icon (air) cushion and back but the jay3 would've 
been my next step. love the you tube videos. sent them to my rep.
dianna
 
  
   
Yes, DeeDee that would be great.  Bobbie

 Smile Everyday   
   

 On Jul 4, 2015, at 3:52 PM,diannal...@aol.com wrote:

   
   

   

  

  

  
 -Original Message-   
 From: Derrickwheel...@centurylink.net   
 To: diannal767diannal...@aol.com   
 Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2015 1:49 pm   
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair   
   
   

 
 i;ve been researching backs and cushions. do u want me to email u my notes, 
links, reviews of them? it's in word doc.  
  
 maybe u can get another adjustable back and/or cushion to help fit u to chair 
better  
 check out the Jay3 back. it has videos about fitting the back to your back 
issue  scoliosis 
 follow link, then click on documents, images,videos  
http://www.sunrisemedical.com/products/jay/backs/jayj3back.aspx?tab=Media   
   
  
 other backs with videos ..
 
   
   https://www.comfortcompany.com/category/Comfort Rehab/Back Care  

  
   JAVA Back

http://www.ridedesigns.com/configured-cushions.html

https://www.youtube.com/user/RideDesigns/videos?view=0
 Java back fitting.   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA4eN-aLbqQ 
 

   
  

   
  
 
 
 
 
 
-Original Message- 
 From: Bobbie Humphreys  bobbie...@aol.com 
 To: diannal767  diannal...@aol.com 
 Sent: Sat, Jul 4, 2015 3:55 pm 
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair 
  
  
   

 Yes, DeeDee that would be great.  Bobbie 
 
 Smile Everyday

 
 On Jul 4, 2015, at 3:52 PM, diannal...@aol.com wrote: 
 


 
 
 
   
 
   
 
   
 -Original Message-
 From: Derrick wheel...@centurylink.net
 To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com
 Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2015 1:49 pm
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair


 
  
 i;ve been researching backs and cushions. do u want me to email u my notes, 
links, reviews of them? it's in word doc.   
   
 maybe u can get another adjustable back and/or cushion to help fit u to chair 
better   
 check out the Jay3 back. it has videos about fitting the back to your back 
issue   scoliosis 
 follow link, then click on documents, images,videos   
http://www.sunrisemedical.com/products/jay/backs/jayj3back.aspx?tab=Media   

   
 other backs with videos

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[diannal767]

can't thank you enough for this info derrick. hope others might find it useful. 
i have a veralite icon (air) cushion and back but the jay3 would've been my 
next step. love the you tube videos. sent them to my rep.
dianna


Yes, DeeDee that would be great.  Bobbie  
  
Smile Everyday 
 
  
On Jul 4, 2015, at 3:52 PM,   diannal...@aol.com wrote:  
  
 
 
  

 
 
 
 
 
 
-Original Message- 
 From: Derrick  wheel...@centurylink.net 
 To: diannal767  diannal...@aol.com 
 Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2015 1:49 pm 
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair 
  
  
   

 i;ve been researching backs and cushions. do u want me to email u my notes, 
links, reviews of them? it's in word doc. 
 
 maybe u can get another adjustable back and/or cushion to help fit u to chair 
better 
 check out the Jay3 back. it has videos about fitting the back to your back 
issue scoliosis 
 follow link, then click on documents, images,videos 
http://www.sunrisemedical.com/products/jay/backs/jayj3back.aspx?tab=Media   
  
 
 other backs with videos ..
 
  
 https://www.comfortcompany.com/category/Comfort Rehab/Back Care
 
 JAVA Back
http://www.ridedesigns.com/configured-cushions.html
https://www.youtube.com/user/RideDesigns/videos?view=0
   Java back fitting.  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA4eN-aLbqQ








-Original Message-
From: Bobbie Humphreys bobbie...@aol.com
To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com
Sent: Sat, Jul 4, 2015 3:55 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair


 
Yes, DeeDee that would be great.  Bobbie  
  
Smile Everyday 
 
  
On Jul 4, 2015, at 3:52 PM,   diannal...@aol.com wrote:  
  
 
 
  

 
 
 
 
 
 
-Original Message- 
 From: Derrick  wheel...@centurylink.net 
 To: diannal767  diannal...@aol.com 
 Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2015 1:49 pm 
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair 
  
  
   

 i;ve been researching backs and cushions. do u want me to email u my notes, 
links, reviews of them? it's in word doc. 
 
 maybe u can get another adjustable back and/or cushion to help fit u to chair 
better 
 check out the Jay3 back. it has videos about fitting the back to your back 
issue scoliosis 
 follow link, then click on documents, images,videos 
http://www.sunrisemedical.com/products/jay/backs/jayj3back.aspx?tab=Media   
  
 
 other backs with videos ..
 
  
 https://www.comfortcompany.com/category/Comfort Rehab/Back Care
 
 JAVA Back
http://www.ridedesigns.com/configured-cushions.html
https://www.youtube.com/user/RideDesigns/videos?view=0
   Java back fitting.  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA4eN-aLbqQ
   
 my buddy just got jay3 back. he really like it. 
 derrick 
 
 On 6/30/2015 10:24 AM, diannal...@aol.com wrote: 


 my wheelchair rep has been back and says she'll be back with a 
different back. and back until i'm comfortable with my chair. but it's just so 
far off her measurements, i don't think this is right. i guess i'll be 
finding out. it's only my 2nd chair through medicaid in 25 yrs. but now, 25 yrs 
later, scoliosis has developed from not sitting correctly and i'm finding these 
chairs very uncomfortable. just venting because i think i'm going to be stuck 
with something i don't like. to get the back close to right, the legs are too 
long, etc. it is however my first recline, i had hoped a smoother transfer of 
chairs.  
 dianna   
   

 I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO and not 
sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need. Remember that 
providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must comply with 
insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the manufacturer via 
the internet.  You can try out anything you want. Manufacture Reps are more 
than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.  Otherwise others will.
   
   
   
   
   
 -Original Message-
 From: wheelchairwheelch...@aol.com
 To: wheelsdwwheel...@centurylink.net; quad-list
quad-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2015 10:11 pm
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair


 
 
 I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO and not 
sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need. Remember that 
providers are guided by you requirements and needs

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[diannal767]

my wheelchair rep came out today and changed the back on my chair. i'm so 
happy, feels great. it's not a jay3 but a veralite icon air back. it also has 
little lateral support. the other had way too much.  she was familiar with the 
jay3 website you showed me but my computer was malfunctioning and I couldn't 
get aol up running to get to your links for you tube but i'm going to send them 
to her later. thank you sooo much for feedback. she's also coming back out to 
change my legs/foot rests as they are still too long after changing the back.
dianna
 
-Original Message-
From: Derrick wheel...@centurylink.net
To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com
Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2015 1:49 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair


  
i;ve been researching backs and cushions. do u want me to email u my notes, 
links, reviews of them? it's in word doc.  
   
 maybe u can get another adjustable back and/or cushion to help fit u to chair 
better  
 check out the Jay3 back. it has videos about fitting the back to your back 
issue  scoliosis 
 follow link, then click on documents, images,videos   
http://www.sunrisemedical.com/products/jay/backs/jayj3back.aspx?tab=Media  
   
 other backs with videos ..
 

https://www.comfortcompany.com/category/Comfort Rehab/Back Care
   
JAVA Back
  http://www.ridedesigns.com/configured-cushions.html
  https://www.youtube.com/user/RideDesigns/videos?view=0
  Java back fitting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA4eN-aLbqQ

 my buddy just got jay3 back. he really like it.  
 derrick  
   
 On 6/30/2015 10:24 AM,   diannal...@aol.com wrote:  
  
  
  my wheelchair rep has been back and says she'll be back with a different 
back. and back until i'm comfortable with my chair. but it's just so far off 
her measurements, i don't think this is right. i guess i'll be finding out. 
it's only my 2nd chair through medicaid in 25 yrs. but now, 25 yrs later, 
scoliosis has developed from not sitting correctly and i'm finding these chairs 
very uncomfortable. just venting because i think i'm going to be stuck with 
something i don't like. to get the back close to right, the legs are too long, 
etc. it is however my first recline, i had hoped a smoother transfer of chairs. 
   
dianna
 
  
I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO and not 
sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need. Remember that 
providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must comply with 
insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the manufacturer via 
the internet.  You can try out anything you want. Manufacture Reps are more 
than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.  Otherwise others will. 
 
 
 
 
 
-Original Message- 
 From: wheelchair  wheelch...@aol.com 
 To: wheelsdw  wheel...@centurylink.net; quad-list  
quad-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2015 10:11 pm 
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair 
  
  
   
 
 I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO and not 
sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need. Remember that 
providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must comply with 
insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the manufacturer via 
the internet.  You can try out anything you want. Manufacture Reps are more 
than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.  Otherwise others will. 
 
   
 
 Best Wishe 
 
   
 
  
 In a message dated 6/29/2015 1:23:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time,   
wheel...@centurylink.net writes:  
  
   All companies the same. They do not give a crap about fitting the 
best 
 chair. They should not get away with this.
 Until you find a company that really cares and takes the time to 
 evaluate you, You have to really spend the time to research your self. 
 Then ask for a demo to try for a few weeks. Read reviews, ask other 
 users and give it time to adjust for the change. A new different chair 
 takes time to adjust to.
 
 I do not think wheelchair manufactures and DME dealers consider people 
 sitting in wheelchairs for 12 hours a day. They should spend the time in 
 customers shoes and ride around town and into stores to see what its like.
 
 DME are sparse in rural areas like I live in so there is not many 
 choices. My friend down the road was just told to find another dealer 
 after getting his new wheelchair just because he told them and argued 
 that he never got a chest strap. A chest strap is not much $ but they 
 could care less.
 
 Its just another hosing that the disabled get. Here's your wheelchair, 
 cushion or van, now go away until you can order a new one. Plus, I blame 
 Med-i-dont-care for not paying for pressure mapping and for better 
 equipment.
 Derrick
 
 
 On 6/29/2015 1:47 PM, Fragile wrote:
  I had similar

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[diannal767]

my wheelchair rep has been back and says she'll be back with a different back. 
and back until i'm comfortable with my chair. but it's just so far off her 
measurements, i don't think this is right. i guess i'll be finding out. it's 
only my 2nd chair through medicaid in 25 yrs. but now, 25 yrs later, scoliosis 
has developed from not sitting correctly and i'm finding these chairs very 
uncomfortable. just venting because i think i'm going to be stuck with 
something i don't like. to get the back close to right, the legs are too long, 
etc. it is however my first recline, i had hoped a smoother transfer of chairs.
dianna

I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO and not 
sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need. Remember that 
providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must comply with 
insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the manufacturer via 
the internet.  You can try out anything you want. Manufacture Reps are more 
than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.  Otherwise others will.




-Original Message-
From: wheelchair wheelch...@aol.com
To: wheelsdw wheel...@centurylink.net; quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2015 10:11 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair



I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO and not 
sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need. Remember that 
providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must comply with 
insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the manufacturer via 
the internet.  You can try out anything you want. Manufacture Reps are more 
than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.  Otherwise others will.   
   
   
   
Best Wishe  
   
   
   

In a message dated 6/29/2015 1:23:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
wheel...@centurylink.net writes:   

All companies the same. They do not give a crap about fitting the best 
chair. They should not get away with this.
Until you find a company that really cares and takes the time to 
evaluate you, You have to really spend the time to research your self. 
Then ask for a demo to try for a few weeks. Read reviews, ask other 
users and give it time to adjust for the change. A new different chair 
takes time to adjust to.

I do not think wheelchair manufactures and DME dealers consider people 
sitting in wheelchairs for 12 hours a day. They should spend the time in 
customers shoes and ride around town and into stores to see what its like.

DME are sparse in rural areas like I live in so there is not many 
choices. My friend down the road was just told to find another dealer 
after getting his new wheelchair just because he told them and argued 
that he never got a chest strap. A chest strap is not much $ but they 
could care less.

Its just another hosing that the disabled get. Here's your wheelchair, 
cushion or van, now go away until you can order a new one. Plus, I blame 
Med-i-dont-care for not paying for pressure mapping and for better 
equipment.
Derrick


On 6/29/2015 1:47 PM, Fragile wrote:
 I had similar problems with a quantum 600. When I complained to the
 company that sold me the chair, I was told, you got what you
 ordered. It was too wide. It was between 18 and 19 inches wide,
 ordered between 16 and 17. Come to find out later, 17 inches wasn't an
 option, so they went to 18. I just dealt with it for about 5 years,
 when I was eligible for a new chair I went to a different company.
 They sent somebody out to take measurements and whatnot. Showed up at
 my front door about a month later with a new wheelchair (permobil),
 without any warning. I wasn't ready to take the new chair, I was home
 alone, nobody to transfer me into the new wheelchair so adjustments
 could be made. Luckily, they sent somebody out a few weeks later and
 took care of it.

 On 6/29/15, diannal...@aol.com diannal...@aol.com wrote:
 my new chair was delivered in april. i.m going from an invacare tdx 5 to a
 quatrum 6000 recline chair. my question to all who all who received their
 new chair and had so many adjustments .being fitted and measured found they
 just hate the new chair. she told me the new chair would be a 1/2 difference
 in height, no so true. ( i don;t clear my kitchen table, my computer desk is
 now way to low) the back has been adjusted numerous times, i feel like i'm
 falling out of it. i have to put towels under my feet to prevent the drop
 look, they can't be adjusted up any further. this just isn't right is it? so
 not happy.
 dianna



   
  

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[wheelchair]

I hope you are working with a seating and positioning specialist. Chair  
bases are all similar, but the seating and positioning is paramount.   
Wheelchair Reps are not seating and positioning experts.  A bad seat will  cost 
you 
and the payee lots of money over the next decade, if not done  properly.
 
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 6/30/2015 9:24:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
diannal...@aol.com writes:

my wheelchair rep has been back and says she'll  be back with a different 
back. and back until i'm comfortable with my chair.  but it's just so far off 
her measurements, i don't think this is right. i  guess i'll be finding 
out. it's only my 2nd chair through medicaid in 25 yrs.  but now, 25 yrs 
later, scoliosis has developed from not sitting correctly and  i'm finding 
these 
chairs very uncomfortable. just venting because i think i'm  going to be 
stuck with something i don't like. to get the back close to right,  the legs 
are too long, etc. it is however my first recline, i had hoped a  smoother 
transfer of chairs.  
dianna

I beg to  differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO and 
not sign  the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need. 
Remember that  providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must 
comply  with insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the  
manufacturer via the internet.  You can try out anything you want.  Manufacture 
Reps are more than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.   Otherwise others 
will.




-Original  Message-
From: wheelchair wheelch...@aol.com
To: wheelsdw  wheel...@centurylink.net; quad-list  quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2015 10:11 pm
Subject:  Re: [QUAD-L] new chair


 
I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO  and 
not sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need.  
Remember that providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They  must 
comply with insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about  the 
manufacturer via the internet.  You can try out anything you want.  Manufacture 
Reps are more than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.   Otherwise others 
will. 

Best Wishe 

 
In a message dated 6/29/2015 1:23:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
_wheelsdw@centurylink.net_ (mailto:wheel...@centurylink.net)  writes:  

All  companies the same. They do not give a crap about fitting the best  
chair. They should not get away with this.
Until you find a company  that really cares and takes the time to 
evaluate you, You have to really  spend the time to research your self. 
Then ask for a demo to try for a  few weeks. Read reviews, ask other 
users and give it time to adjust for  the change. A new different chair 
takes time to adjust to.

I do  not think wheelchair manufactures and DME dealers consider people  
sitting in wheelchairs for 12 hours a day. They should spend the time in  
customers shoes and ride around town and into stores to see what its  like.

DME are sparse in rural areas like I live in so there is not  many 
choices. My friend down the road was just told to find another  dealer 
after getting his new wheelchair just because he told them and  argued 
that he never got a chest strap. A chest strap is not much $ but  they 
could care less.

Its just another hosing that the disabled  get. Here's your wheelchair, 
cushion or van, now go away until you can  order a new one. Plus, I blame 
Med-i-dont-care for not paying for  pressure mapping and for better 
equipment.
Derrick


On  6/29/2015 1:47 PM, Fragile wrote:
 I had similar problems with a  quantum 600. When I complained to the
 company that sold me the  chair, I was told, you got what you
 ordered. It was too wide. It  was between 18 and 19 inches wide,
 ordered between 16 and 17. Come  to find out later, 17 inches wasn't an
 option, so they went to 18. I  just dealt with it for about 5 years,
 when I was eligible for a new  chair I went to a different company.
 They sent somebody out to take  measurements and whatnot. Showed up at
 my front door about a month  later with a new wheelchair (permobil),
 without any warning. I  wasn't ready to take the new chair, I was home
 alone, nobody to  transfer me into the new wheelchair so adjustments
 could be made.  Luckily, they sent somebody out a few weeks later and
 took care of  it.

 On 6/29/15, _diannal767@aol.com_ (mailto:diannal...@aol.com)  
_diannal767@aol.com_ (mailto:diannal...@aol.com)   wrote:
 my new chair was delivered in april. i.m going from an  invacare tdx 5 
to a
 quatrum 6000 recline chair. my question to  all who all who received 
their
 new chair and had so many  adjustments .being fitted and measured found 
they
 just hate the  new chair. she told me the new chair would be a 1/2 
difference
  in height, no so true. ( i don;t clear my kitchen table, my computer 
desk  is
 now way to low) the back has been adjusted numerous times, i  feel like 
i'm
 falling out of it. i have to put

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[diannal767]

no I wasn't, just a pt to okay chair. or should I say, no, I didn't.

I hope you are working with a seating and positioning specialist. Chair bases 
are all similar, but the seating and positioning is paramount.  Wheelchair Reps 
are not seating and positioning experts.  A bad seat will cost you and the 
payee lots of money over the next decade, if not done properly.

 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wheelchair wheelch...@aol.com
To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com; quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2015 10:49 am
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair



I hope you are working with a seating and positioning specialist. Chair bases 
are all similar, but the seating and positioning is paramount.  Wheelchair Reps 
are not seating and positioning experts.  A bad seat will cost you and the 
payee lots of money over the next decade, if not done properly.  
   
   
   
Best Wishes  
   
   
   

In a message dated 6/30/2015 9:24:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
diannal...@aol.com writes:   

my wheelchair rep has been back and says she'll be back with a different 
back. and back until i'm comfortable with my chair. but it's just so far off 
her measurements, i don't think this is right. i guess i'll be finding out. 
it's only my 2nd chair through medicaid in 25 yrs. but now, 25 yrs later, 
scoliosis has developed from not sitting correctly and i'm finding these chairs 
very uncomfortable. just venting because i think i'm going to be stuck with 
something i don't like. to get the back close to right, the legs are too long, 
etc. it is however my first recline, i had hoped a smoother transfer of chairs. 
  
dianna   

 
I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO and not 
sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need. Remember that 
providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must comply with 
insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the manufacturer via 
the internet.  You can try out anything you want. Manufacture Reps are more 
than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.  Otherwise others will.
   
   
   
   

-Original Message-
From: wheelchair wheelch...@aol.com
To: wheelsdw wheel...@centurylink.net; quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com   
 
Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2015 10:11 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

 
  
  
I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO and not 
sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need. Remember that 
providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must comply with 
insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the manufacturer via 
the internet.  You can try out anything you want. Manufacture Reps are more 
than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.  Otherwise others will.


Best Wishe


 
In a message dated 6/29/2015 1:23:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
wheel...@centurylink.net writes: 
 
 All companies the same. They do not give a crap about fitting the 
best 
chair. They should not get away with this.
Until you find a company that really cares and takes the time to 
evaluate you, You have to really spend the time to research your self. 
Then ask for a demo to try for a few weeks. Read reviews, ask other 
users and give it time to adjust for the change. A new different chair 
takes time to adjust to.

I do not think wheelchair manufactures and DME dealers consider people 
sitting in wheelchairs for 12 hours a day. They should spend the time in 
customers shoes and ride around town and into stores to see what its like.

DME are sparse in rural areas like I live in so there is not many 
choices. My friend down the road was just told to find another dealer 
after getting his new wheelchair just because he told them and argued 
that he never got a chest strap. A chest strap is not much $ but they 
could care less.

Its just another hosing that the disabled get. Here's your wheelchair, 
cushion or van, now go away until you can order a new one. Plus, I blame 
Med-i-dont-care for not paying for pressure mapping and for better 
equipment.
Derrick


On 6/29/2015 1:47 PM, Fragile wrote:
 I had similar problems with a quantum 600. When I complained to the
 company that sold me the chair, I was told, you got what you
 ordered. It was too wide. It was between 18 and 19 inches wide,
 ordered between 16 and 17. Come to find out later, 17 inches wasn't an
 option, so they went to 18. I just dealt with it for about 5 years,
 when I was eligible for a new chair I went to a different company.
 They sent somebody out to take measurements and whatnot. Showed up at
 my front door about a month later with a new wheelchair (permobil),
 without any warning. I wasn't ready

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[Fragile]

I had similar problems with a quantum 600. When I complained to the
company that sold me the chair, I was told, you got what you
ordered. It was too wide. It was between 18 and 19 inches wide,
ordered between 16 and 17. Come to find out later, 17 inches wasn't an
option, so they went to 18. I just dealt with it for about 5 years,
when I was eligible for a new chair I went to a different company.
They sent somebody out to take measurements and whatnot. Showed up at
my front door about a month later with a new wheelchair (permobil),
without any warning. I wasn't ready to take the new chair, I was home
alone, nobody to transfer me into the new wheelchair so adjustments
could be made. Luckily, they sent somebody out a few weeks later and
took care of it.

On 6/29/15, diannal...@aol.com diannal...@aol.com wrote:
 my new chair was delivered in april. i.m going from an invacare tdx 5 to a
 quatrum 6000 recline chair. my question to all who all who received their
 new chair and had so many adjustments .being fitted and measured found they
 just hate the new chair. she told me the new chair would be a 1/2 difference
 in height, no so true. ( i don;t clear my kitchen table, my computer desk is
 now way to low) the back has been adjusted numerous times, i feel like i'm
 falling out of it. i have to put towels under my feet to prevent the drop
 look, they can't be adjusted up any further. this just isn't right is it? so
 not happy.
 dianna

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[diannal767]

yeah, 17 is not an option. mine is 16 but 'suppose to be adjustable to 17 for 
coats in winterhaven't got to that adjustment! one would think a chair 
should NOT be such a HUGE transfer.
Dianna


I had similar problems with a quantum 600. When I complained to the
company
that sold me the chair, I was told, you got what you
ordered. It was too
wide. It was between 18 and 19 inches wide,
ordered between 16 and 17. Come to
find out later, 17 inches wasn't an
option, so they went to 18. I just dealt
with it for about 5 years,
when I was eligible for a new chair I went to a
different company.
They sent somebody out to take measurements and whatnot.
Showed up at
my front door about a month later with a new wheelchair
(permobil),
without any warning. I wasn't ready to take the new chair, I was
home
alone, nobody to transfer me into the new wheelchair so adjustments
could
be made. Luckily, they sent somebody out a few weeks later and
took care of
it.






-Original Message-
From: Fragile swl...@gmail.com
To: quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2015 1:47 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair


I had similar problems with a quantum 600. When I complained to the
company
that sold me the chair, I was told, you got what you
ordered. It was too
wide. It was between 18 and 19 inches wide,
ordered between 16 and 17. Come to
find out later, 17 inches wasn't an
option, so they went to 18. I just dealt
with it for about 5 years,
when I was eligible for a new chair I went to a
different company.
They sent somebody out to take measurements and whatnot.
Showed up at
my front door about a month later with a new wheelchair
(permobil),
without any warning. I wasn't ready to take the new chair, I was
home
alone, nobody to transfer me into the new wheelchair so adjustments
could
be made. Luckily, they sent somebody out a few weeks later and
took care of
it.

On 6/29/15, diannal...@aol.com diannal...@aol.com wrote:
 my new
chair was delivered in april. i.m going from an invacare tdx 5 to a
 quatrum
6000 recline chair. my question to all who all who received their
 new chair
and had so many adjustments .being fitted and measured found they
 just hate
the new chair. she told me the new chair would be a 1/2 difference
 in height,
no so true. ( i don;t clear my kitchen table, my computer desk is
 now way to
low) the back has been adjusted numerous times, i feel like i'm
 falling out
of it. i have to put towels under my feet to prevent the drop
 look, they
can't be adjusted up any further. this just isn't right is it? so
 not
happy.
 dianna



 

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[Derrick]

All companies the same. They do not give a crap about fitting the best 
chair. They should not get away with this.
Until you find a company that really cares and takes the time to 
evaluate you, You have to really spend the time to research your self. 
Then ask for a demo to try for a few weeks. Read reviews, ask other 
users and give it time to adjust for the change. A new different chair 
takes time to adjust to.


I do not think wheelchair manufactures and DME dealers consider people 
sitting in wheelchairs for 12 hours a day. They should spend the time in 
customers shoes and ride around town and into stores to see what its like.


DME are sparse in rural areas like I live in so there is not many 
choices. My friend down the road was just told to find another dealer 
after getting his new wheelchair just because he told them and argued 
that he never got a chest strap. A chest strap is not much $ but they 
could care less.


Its just another hosing that the disabled get. Here's your wheelchair, 
cushion or van, now go away until you can order a new one. Plus, I blame 
Med-i-dont-care for not paying for pressure mapping and for better 
equipment.

Derrick


On 6/29/2015 1:47 PM, Fragile wrote:

I had similar problems with a quantum 600. When I complained to the
company that sold me the chair, I was told, you got what you
ordered. It was too wide. It was between 18 and 19 inches wide,
ordered between 16 and 17. Come to find out later, 17 inches wasn't an
option, so they went to 18. I just dealt with it for about 5 years,
when I was eligible for a new chair I went to a different company.
They sent somebody out to take measurements and whatnot. Showed up at
my front door about a month later with a new wheelchair (permobil),
without any warning. I wasn't ready to take the new chair, I was home
alone, nobody to transfer me into the new wheelchair so adjustments
could be made. Luckily, they sent somebody out a few weeks later and
took care of it.

On 6/29/15, diannal...@aol.com diannal...@aol.com wrote:

my new chair was delivered in april. i.m going from an invacare tdx 5 to a
quatrum 6000 recline chair. my question to all who all who received their
new chair and had so many adjustments .being fitted and measured found they
just hate the new chair. she told me the new chair would be a 1/2 difference
in height, no so true. ( i don;t clear my kitchen table, my computer desk is
now way to low) the back has been adjusted numerous times, i feel like i'm
falling out of it. i have to put towels under my feet to prevent the drop
look, they can't be adjusted up any further. this just isn't right is it? so
not happy.
dianna

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[wheelchair]

I beg to differ. Knowledge is Power and you have every right to say NO and  
not sign the required paperwork until you get exactly what you need. 
Remember  that providers are guided by you requirements and needs.  They must 
comply  with insurance perimeters and CMS codes.  Learn as much about the  
manufacturer via the internet.  You can try out anything you want.  Manufacture 
Reps are more than willing. Take Charge of YOUR Life.   Otherwise others 
will. 
 
Best Wishe
 
 
In a message dated 6/29/2015 1:23:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
wheel...@centurylink.net writes:

All  companies the same. They do not give a crap about fitting the best 
chair.  They should not get away with this.
Until you find a company that really  cares and takes the time to 
evaluate you, You have to really spend the  time to research your self. 
Then ask for a demo to try for a few weeks.  Read reviews, ask other 
users and give it time to adjust for the change. A  new different chair 
takes time to adjust to.

I do not think  wheelchair manufactures and DME dealers consider people 
sitting in  wheelchairs for 12 hours a day. They should spend the time in 
customers  shoes and ride around town and into stores to see what its like.

DME  are sparse in rural areas like I live in so there is not many 
choices. My  friend down the road was just told to find another dealer 
after getting  his new wheelchair just because he told them and argued 
that he never got  a chest strap. A chest strap is not much $ but they 
could care  less.

Its just another hosing that the disabled get. Here's your  wheelchair, 
cushion or van, now go away until you can order a new one.  Plus, I blame 
Med-i-dont-care for not paying for pressure mapping and for  better 
equipment.
Derrick


On 6/29/2015 1:47 PM, Fragile  wrote:
 I had similar problems with a quantum 600. When I complained to  the
 company that sold me the chair, I was told, you got what  you
 ordered. It was too wide. It was between 18 and 19 inches  wide,
 ordered between 16 and 17. Come to find out later, 17 inches  wasn't an
 option, so they went to 18. I just dealt with it for about 5  years,
 when I was eligible for a new chair I went to a different  company.
 They sent somebody out to take measurements and whatnot.  Showed up at
 my front door about a month later with a new wheelchair  (permobil),
 without any warning. I wasn't ready to take the new chair,  I was home
 alone, nobody to transfer me into the new wheelchair so  adjustments
 could be made. Luckily, they sent somebody out a few weeks  later and
 took care of it.

 On 6/29/15,  diannal...@aol.com diannal...@aol.com wrote:
 my new chair  was delivered in april. i.m going from an invacare tdx 5 
to a
  quatrum 6000 recline chair. my question to all who all who received  
their
 new chair and had so many adjustments .being fitted and  measured found 
they
 just hate the new chair. she told me the new  chair would be a 1/2 
difference
 in height, no so true. ( i don;t  clear my kitchen table, my computer 
desk is
 now way to low) the  back has been adjusted numerous times, i feel like 
i'm
 falling out  of it. i have to put towels under my feet to prevent the 
drop
  look, they can't be adjusted up any further. this just isn't right is 
it?  so
 not happy.
  dianna

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[wheelchair]

The speed of any powered item can change from inch to foot to mile,  
depending on many different factors.  Temps, Whether batteries are fully  
charged, 
wind direction and level of surface.  I would think going down a  hill 
would yield the fastest results, while climbing a steep grade would yield  much 
less performace.
 
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 5/15/2015 11:41:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
diannal...@aol.com writes:

I asked the rep about 7mph and that's what she  told me. I did have the 
experience of taking it as fast as it could go on my  neighborhood streets and 
it seems as fast as my Invacare TDX5sp. It goes 7mph.  My new chair actually 
tells me how fast I'm going but I can't look down and  see as my 
neighborhood streets are being completely redone this summer and  seeing how 
fast I 
was going was not as important to me as crashing. I'll save  that for our 
Metro Parks. I haven't been sitting in it because I'm waiting for  prior 
authorization to have it modified for driving. Then I'll be able to take  it to 
the 
park. Oh, but Greg, it's not even close to 8mph!  
Dianna

Hmm, the  Q600Z web page lists 8mph. Could 5mph be a Medicare rule, not 
FDA? 
I  know if there were things uncovered before, that I could pay the 
difference.  
My TDX5 clocks in at 6.5mph, but was listed at 7.5mph. Never as fast as  
listed though. 
Thanks, Greg 




-Original  Message-
From: Don Smith scamper2...@gmail.com
To: greg  g...@eskimo.com
Cc: quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent:  Thu, May 14, 2015 9:04 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair


Last year I got a permobil m300, with full tilt and legs can  elevate.  My 
20 % co-pay was $3400,on 19,000 plus cost.  It goes  6mph, but for an extra 
$1000.00 out of pocket I could get faster motors that  did 7mph.  That 
$1000.00 bought alot of food, and  I'm never late to  eat. 


On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 5:29 PM, greg _greg@eskimo.com_ 
(mailto:g...@eskimo.com)  wrote: 

Hmm, the Q600Z web page lists 8mph. Could 5mph be a  Medicare rule, not 
FDA? 
I know if there were things uncovered before,  that I could pay the 
difference. 
My TDX5 clocks in at 6.5mph, but was  listed at 7.5mph. Never as fast as 
listed though. 
Thanks, Greg  


 hi greg, 
 i don't know about insurance but i just  got my new chair. it's a 
 quantum 6000z. i really like it. going  over bumps are nice. smooth 
 ride. my rep told me 5mph was the max  because of fda rules. still 
 fast though! 
 
 
  -Original Message- 
 From: greg  _greg@eskimo.com_ (mailto:g...@eskimo.com)  
 To: quad-list  _quad-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com)  
 Sent: Tue, May 12, 2015  4:13 pm 
 Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair 
 
 
 I  need a new chair pretty soon. This one is falling apart. The 
 repair  shop said it's at the point it's costing more to keep it 
 going. It  needs motors, batteries, recline actuators. they all 
 still work,  just not great. My insurance covers 80%, but my 20% is 
 still a big  expense. The chair shop use to help out with co-pays, 
 but now they  have contracts with the insurance companies that say 
 they wont do  that anymore. I guess that prevents more people from 
 getting  chairs, keeps their costs down. I'm on a Medicare 
 replacement  program United 
 Healthcare. I do not qualify for Medicaid. Anyone  know of any type 
 of  secondary insurance that would help? I'm  liking the Quantum 
 6000Z, 8mph. Greg  

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[diannal767]

I asked the rep about 7mph and that's what she told me. I did have the 
experience of taking it as fast as it could go on my neighborhood streets and 
it seems as fast as my Invacare TDX5sp. It goes 7mph. My new chair actually 
tells me how fast I'm going but I can't look down and see as my neighborhood 
streets are being completely redone this summer and seeing how fast I was going 
was not as important to me as crashing. I'll save that for our Metro Parks. I 
haven't been sitting in it because I'm waiting for prior authorization to have 
it modified for driving. Then I'll be able to take it to the park. Oh, but 
Greg, it's not even close to 8mph!
Dianna

Hmm, the Q600Z web page lists 8mph. Could 5mph be a Medicare rule, not FDA?
 I know if there were things uncovered before, that I could pay the difference. 
   
 My TDX5 clocks in at 6.5mph, but was listed at 7.5mph. Never as fast as listed 
though.
 Thanks, Greg




-Original Message-
From: Don Smith scamper2...@gmail.com
To: greg g...@eskimo.com
Cc: quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, May 14, 2015 9:04 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair


 
Last year I got a permobil m300, with full tilt and legs can elevate.  My 20 % 
co-pay was $3400,on 19,000 plus cost.  It goes 6mph, but for an extra $1000.00 
out of pocket I could get faster motors that did 7mph.  That $1000.00 bought 
alot of food, and  I'm never late to eat.  
 
 
  
  
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 5:29 PM, gregg...@eskimo.com wrote:   
   
Hmm, the Q600Z web page lists 8mph. Could 5mph be a Medicare rule, not FDA?
 I know if there were things uncovered before, that I could pay the difference. 
   
 My TDX5 clocks in at 6.5mph, but was listed at 7.5mph. Never as fast as listed 
though.
 Thanks, Greg
 
 
  hi greg,
  i don't know about insurance but i just got my new chair. it's a
  quantum 6000z. i really like it. going over bumps are nice. smooth
  ride. my rep told me 5mph was the max because of fda rules. still
  fast though!
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: greg g...@eskimo.com
  To: quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Tue, May 12, 2015 4:13 pm
  Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair
 
 
  I need a new chair pretty soon. This one is falling apart. The
  repair shop said it's at the point it's costing more to keep it
  going. It needs motors, batteries, recline actuators. they all
  still work, just not great. My insurance covers 80%, but my 20% is
  still a big expense. The chair shop use to help out with co-pays,
  but now they have contracts with the insurance companies that say
  they wont do that anymore. I guess that prevents more people from
  getting chairs, keeps their costs down. I'm on a Medicare
  replacement program United
  Healthcare. I do not qualify for Medicaid. Anyone know of any type
  of  secondary insurance that would help? I'm liking the Quantum
  6000Z, 8mph. Greg
 

  
  
 
 

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Don Smith]

Last year I got a permobil m300, with full tilt and legs can elevate.  My
20 % co-pay was $3400,on 19,000 plus cost.  It goes 6mph, but for an extra
$1000.00 out of pocket I could get faster motors that did 7mph.  That
$1000.00 bought alot of food, and  I'm never late to eat.

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 5:29 PM, greg g...@eskimo.com wrote:

 Hmm, the Q600Z web page lists 8mph. Could 5mph be a Medicare rule, not FDA?
 I know if there were things uncovered before, that I could pay the
 difference.
 My TDX5 clocks in at 6.5mph, but was listed at 7.5mph. Never as fast as
 listed though.
 Thanks, Greg


  hi greg,
  i don't know about insurance but i just got my new chair. it's a
  quantum 6000z. i really like it. going over bumps are nice. smooth
  ride. my rep told me 5mph was the max because of fda rules. still
  fast though!
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: greg g...@eskimo.com
  To: quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Tue, May 12, 2015 4:13 pm
  Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair
 
 
  I need a new chair pretty soon. This one is falling apart. The
  repair shop said it's at the point it's costing more to keep it
  going. It needs motors, batteries, recline actuators. they all
  still work, just not great. My insurance covers 80%, but my 20% is
  still a big expense. The chair shop use to help out with co-pays,
  but now they have contracts with the insurance companies that say
  they wont do that anymore. I guess that prevents more people from
  getting chairs, keeps their costs down. I'm on a Medicare
  replacement program United
  Healthcare. I do not qualify for Medicaid. Anyone know of any type
  of  secondary insurance that would help? I'm liking the Quantum
  6000Z, 8mph. Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Danny Hearn]

Greg, on my last chair my 20% came to about 3 thousand dollarsIf we put 800 
down my chair shop said I could make payments on the remainder, SO I looked 
into ways to get my downpayment and decided on a fundraiser to get the 800 
downthere was several fundraisers I looked into at that time because I had 
zero for the down payment at that time. We decided to have one selling 
Tupperware and the Tupperware Agent worked with us and we got the 800 down, for 
the rest I paid the Chair provider shop about a hundred a month until I paid 
off my share. Funny thing is my chair now is getting old, so by fall I may need 
to get another one.  Dan H*** 


 On Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:13 PM, greg g...@eskimo.com wrote:
   

 I need a new chair pretty soon. This one is falling apart. The repair shop 
said it's at the point it's costing more to keep it going. It needs motors, 
batteries, recline actuators. they all still work, just not great. My insurance 
covers 80%, but my 20% is still a big expense. The chair shop use to help out 
with co-pays, but now they have contracts with the insurance companies that say 
they wont do that anymore. I guess that prevents more people from getting 
chairs, keeps their costs down.

I'm on a Medicare replacement program United Healthcare. I do not qualify for 
Medicaid. Anyone know of any type of  secondary insurance that would help?

I'm liking the Quantum 6000Z, 8mph.

Greg


  

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[diannal767]

hi greg,
i don't know about insurance but i just got my new chair. it's a quantum 6000z. 
i really like it. going over bumps are nice. smooth ride. my rep told me 5mph 
was the max because of fda rules. still fast though! 



-Original Message-
From: greg g...@eskimo.com
To: quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, May 12, 2015 4:13 pm
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair


I need a new chair pretty soon. This one is falling apart. The repair shop said
it's at the point it's costing more to keep it going. It needs motors,
batteries, recline actuators. they all still work, just not great. My insurance
covers 80%, but my 20% is still a big expense. The chair shop use to help out
with co-pays, but now they have contracts with the insurance companies that say
they wont do that anymore. I guess that prevents more people from getting
chairs, keeps their costs down.

I'm on a Medicare replacement program United
Healthcare. I do not qualify for Medicaid. Anyone know of any type of  secondary
insurance that would help?

I'm liking the Quantum 6000Z, 8mph.

Greg


 

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[wheelchair]

I truly hope you can get what you want.  More so, I hope you get what  you 
need.  It might be a Pride Quantum Product, or it could be an Invacare,  
Sunrise Med or Permobil product.  I hope you are working with an Occupation  
Therapist in obtaining a power chair that meets your physical needs and  
goals.  Determine a specification and then present it to the mobility  industry 
and see what comes back.   If speed is your only tangible  goal... then go 
with the 8 mph motors and hope your insurance approves  them.
 
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 5/12/2015 3:13:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
g...@eskimo.com writes:

I need a  new chair pretty soon. This one is falling apart. The repair shop 
said it's at  the point it's costing more to keep it going. It needs 
motors, batteries,  recline actuators. they all still work, just not great. My 
insurance covers  80%, but my 20% is still a big expense. The chair shop use to 
help out with  co-pays, but now they have contracts with the insurance 
companies that say  they wont do that anymore. I guess that prevents more 
people 
from getting  chairs, keeps their costs down.

I'm on a Medicare replacement program  United Healthcare. I do not qualify 
for Medicaid. Anyone know of any type  of  secondary insurance that would 
help?

I'm liking the Quantum  6000Z, 8mph.

Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[greg]

Hmm, the Q600Z web page lists 8mph. Could 5mph be a Medicare rule, not FDA?
I know if there were things uncovered before, that I could pay the difference.
My TDX5 clocks in at 6.5mph, but was listed at 7.5mph. Never as fast as listed 
though.
Thanks, Greg


 hi greg,
 i don't know about insurance but i just got my new chair. it's a
 quantum 6000z. i really like it. going over bumps are nice. smooth
 ride. my rep told me 5mph was the max because of fda rules. still
 fast though! 


 -Original Message-
 From: greg g...@eskimo.com
 To: quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tue, May 12, 2015 4:13 pm
 Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair


 I need a new chair pretty soon. This one is falling apart. The
 repair shop said it's at the point it's costing more to keep it
 going. It needs motors, batteries, recline actuators. they all
 still work, just not great. My insurance covers 80%, but my 20% is
 still a big expense. The chair shop use to help out with co-pays,
 but now they have contracts with the insurance companies that say
 they wont do that anymore. I guess that prevents more people from
 getting chairs, keeps their costs down. I'm on a Medicare
 replacement program United
 Healthcare. I do not qualify for Medicaid. Anyone know of any type
 of  secondary insurance that would help? I'm liking the Quantum
 6000Z, 8mph. Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[lindakrn]

Kewl, hope you like your new chair! 
lindaf 

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[diannal767]

i sure will! my problem is i ALWAYS gotta watch sidewalks or uneven terrain 
because my driving bolt gets stuck. :-(
i'll let you know about gravel though because my other chair got stuck in deep 
grade gravel. this one has wider wheels.


If you're ever forced to use it outside in uneven terrain (sand or
gravel)
would you let me know how well it does?

On 4/30/15, diannal...@aol.com
diannal...@aol.com wrote:
 Hi,
 I got my new chair yesterday. It's a
Quatrum Q6Edge series. I really *will*
 like it. Having trouble getting the
back adjusted correctly. I feel like its
 trying to push me forward. My peeps
can see it do so. between the wheelchair
 tech and my Dave, they think a wedge
under the cushion will help. I recline
 it back a tiny bit and use it like
that for now. can't stay this way because
 I can't get under things. and I'll
be driving in it. 25 yrs in a chair in
 june. My first tilt, my first with
lateral support and no canvas back. I
 chose silver and the wider wheels so I
could get the *chrome* wheels i
 wanted. not worried about terrain so much
because my driving bolt for the
 E-Z lock catches everything.
 Dianna





-Original Message-
From: Fragile swl...@gmail.com
To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com
Sent: Sat, May 2, 2015 2:32 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] new chair


If you're ever forced to use it outside in uneven terrain (sand or
gravel)
would you let me know how well it does?

On 4/30/15, diannal...@aol.com
diannal...@aol.com wrote:
 Hi,
 I got my new chair yesterday. It's a
Quatrum Q6Edge series. I really *will*
 like it. Having trouble getting the
back adjusted correctly. I feel like its
 trying to push me forward. My peeps
can see it do so. between the wheelchair
 tech and my Dave, they think a wedge
under the cushion will help. I recline
 it back a tiny bit and use it like
that for now. can't stay this way because
 I can't get under things. and I'll
be driving in it. 25 yrs in a chair in
 june. My first tilt, my first with
lateral support and no canvas back. I
 chose silver and the wider wheels so I
could get the *chrome* wheels i
 wanted. not worried about terrain so much
because my driving bolt for the
 E-Z lock catches everything.
 Dianna


 

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[wheelchair]

Quantum is a div of Pride Mobility.  Quantum div, obtains parts and components 
from China and assemble them in this country.  This way, they can claim that 
the chair was Made in the USA.
Best Wishes



-Original Message-
From: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com
To: lindakrn linda...@comcast.net; quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Feb 6, 2015 9:40 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair


i thought quatum was made by quickie, no?


My Quantum has worked well for me but I liked my Quickie better. Everyone loves 
their Permobiles Good luck Diana!   
  
  
Lindaf





-Original Message-
From: lindakrn linda...@comcast.net
To: Dianna diannal...@aol.com
Cc: Espinoza, Danny da...@immortaldesigns.co; quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Feb 6, 2015 3:01 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair


 
  
My Quantum has worked well for me but I liked my Quickie better. Everyone loves 
their Permobiles Good luck Diana!   
  
  
Lindaf  
  
   
  
  
  
   From: diannal...@aol.com   
   To: da...@immortaldesigns.co, quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com   
   Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 12:27:10 AM   
   Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair   
   

   
   thank you, i'll check that one out too.
 
 
DON’T get a quantum! I just changed from a Quantum 6000z to a Permobil M300 and 
love it! My Quantum kept breaking and always had weird issues but my new 
Permobil M300 is leaps and bounds better. 

 
 
 
 
-Original Message- 
 From: Danny da...@immortaldesigns.co 
 To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com; quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Wed, Feb 4, 2015 11:49 pm 
 Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair 
  
  
  

 
 DON’T get a quantum! I just changed from a Quantum 6000z to a Permobil 
M300 and love it! My Quantum kept breaking and always had weird issues but my 
new Permobil M300 is leaps and bounds better.
 
 -Danny
 
 From:  diannal...@aol.com [mailto:diannal...@aol.com] 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 12:25 PM
 To: quad-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair
 
 
 
 It's time for me to order a new chair and I am thinking about a 
Quatum. If anyone has onedo you like it? Thinking about tilt. Are they made 
for driving adaptations on the bottom? 
 
  
  Dianna 
 

   
  
 
   
  
   
  
 

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[lindakrn]

My Quantum has worked well for me but I liked my Quickie better. Everyone loves 
their Permobiles Good luck Diana! 
Lindaf 

- Original Message -

From: diannal...@aol.com 
To: da...@immortaldesigns.co, quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 12:27:10 AM 
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair 

thank you, i'll check that one out too. 


DON’T get a quantum! I just changed from a Quantum 6000z to a Permobil M300 and 
love it! My Quantum kept breaking and always had weird issues but my new 
Permobil M300 is leaps and bounds better. 





-Original Message- 
From: Danny da...@immortaldesigns.co 
To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com; quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wed, Feb 4, 2015 11:49 pm 
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair 

DON’T get a quantum! I just changed from a Quantum 6000z to a Permobil M300 and 
love it! My Quantum kept breaking and always had weird issues but my new 
Permobil M300 is leaps and bounds better. 
-Danny 
From: diannal...@aol.com [ mailto:diannal...@aol.com ] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 12:25 PM 
To: quad-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair 
It's time for me to order a new chair and I am thinking about a Quatum. If 
anyone has onedo you like it? Thinking about tilt. Are they made for 
driving adaptations on the bottom? 
Dianna 

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[diannal767]

i thought quatum was made by quickie, no?


My Quantum has worked well for me but I liked my Quickie better. Everyone loves 
their Permobiles Good luck Diana!   
  
  
Lindaf





-Original Message-
From: lindakrn linda...@comcast.net
To: Dianna diannal...@aol.com
Cc: Espinoza, Danny da...@immortaldesigns.co; quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Feb 6, 2015 3:01 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair


 
  
My Quantum has worked well for me but I liked my Quickie better. Everyone loves 
their Permobiles Good luck Diana!   
  
  
Lindaf  
  
   
  
  
  
   From: diannal...@aol.com   
   To: da...@immortaldesigns.co, quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com   
   Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 12:27:10 AM   
   Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair   
   

   
   thank you, i'll check that one out too.
 
 
DON’T get a quantum! I just changed from a Quantum 6000z to a Permobil M300 and 
love it! My Quantum kept breaking and always had weird issues but my new 
Permobil M300 is leaps and bounds better. 

 
 
 
 
-Original Message- 
 From: Danny da...@immortaldesigns.co 
 To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com; quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Wed, Feb 4, 2015 11:49 pm 
 Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair 
  
  
  

 
 DON’T get a quantum! I just changed from a Quantum 6000z to a Permobil 
M300 and love it! My Quantum kept breaking and always had weird issues but my 
new Permobil M300 is leaps and bounds better.
 
 -Danny
 
 From:  diannal...@aol.com [mailto:diannal...@aol.com] 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 12:25 PM
 To: quad-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair
 
 
 
 It's time for me to order a new chair and I am thinking about a 
Quatum. If anyone has onedo you like it? Thinking about tilt. Are they made 
for driving adaptations on the bottom? 
 
  
  Dianna 
 

   
  
 
   
  
   
  
 

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[diannal767]

thanks

I have had a Quickie Pulse 6 with tilt for about 2 years now.  I have had no 
problems with it.  It is also  good outdoors (within reason).  Not good in 
gravel.




-Original Message-
From: Michael Galvin whatsu...@gmail.com
To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com
Sent: Thu, Feb 5, 2015 9:20 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair


 
  
I have had a Quickie Pulse 6 with tilt for about 2 years now.  I have had no 
problems with it.  It is also  good outdoors (within reason).  Not good in 
gravel.  
  
   
  
  
PQ
 
 
  
  
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 1:27 AM,diannal...@aol.com wrote:   
   
thank you, i'll check that one out too.
  
  
DON’T get a quantum! I just changed from a Quantum 6000z to a Permobil M300 and 
love it! My Quantum kept breaking and always had weird issues but my new 
Permobil M300 is leaps and bounds better.  
 
 
 
 
  
-Original Message-  
 From: Danny da...@immortaldesigns.co  
 To: diannal767   diannal...@aol.com; quad-list   
quad-list@eskimo.com  
 Sent: Wed, Feb 4, 2015 11:49 pm  
 Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair  
   
   

 
  
  DON’T get a quantum! I just changed from a Quantum 6000z to a 
Permobil M300 and love it! My Quantum kept breaking and always had weird issues 
but my new Permobil M300 is leaps and bounds better. 
  
  -Danny 
  
  From:   diannal...@aol.com [mailto:diannal...@aol.com] 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 12:25 PM
 To: quad-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair 
  
  
  
  It's time for me to order a new chair and I am thinking about a 
Quatum. If anyone has onedo you like it? Thinking about tilt. Are they made 
for driving adaptations on the bottom?  
  
   
   Dianna  
  
 

   
  

  
  
 
 

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[diannal767]

I have an offboard charger. The bearings aren't an issue...they are cheap. the 
tech says it's because i have 2 dogs. We sweep just about everyday.


I know where Invacare ,Sunrise Medical and Pride are located.  Pride 
Mobility is located in Pennsy, on the West side of the State. Golden Tech and 
Mega Motion are all within 5 miles of each other in western Pennsy.  80% of 
Pride's products are made in China.  Pretty, doesn't always mean functional.  
No manufacturer will allow any outside personal to enter their warehouses and 
take parts or components off the shelf.  Government Sanitary Regulations forbid 
the practice, plus rules of inventory won't allow that.  You must be hard on 
those wheel bearing, mostly made in China.  On the side of bearings is a letter 
and number.  Those numbers indicate the size of the bearing.  Consider 
upgrading your bearing with sealed stainless bearings for longer life.  I also 
know of the motor, joystick and control module issues of the past.  Do you have 
an onboard or offboard charger?  
   
 





-Original Message-
From: wheelchair wheelch...@aol.com
To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com
Sent: Wed, Feb 4, 2015 8:54 am
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair



I know where Invacare ,Sunrise Medical and Pride are located.  Pride 
Mobility is located in Pennsy, on the West side of the State. Golden Tech and 
Mega Motion are all within 5 miles of each other in western Pennsy.  80% of 
Pride's products are made in China.  Pretty, doesn't always mean functional.  
No manufacturer will allow any outside personal to enter their warehouses and 
take parts or components off the shelf.  Government Sanitary Regulations forbid 
the practice, plus rules of inventory won't allow that.  You must be hard on 
those wheel bearing, mostly made in China.  On the side of bearings is a letter 
and number.  Those numbers indicate the size of the bearing.  Consider 
upgrading your bearing with sealed stainless bearings for longer life.  I also 
know of the motor, joystick and control module issues of the past.  Do you have 
an onboard or offboard charger?  
   
   
   
Best Wishes  
   
   
   
   
   
-Original Message-   
 From: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com   
 To: wheelchair wheelch...@aol.com; quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com   
 Sent: Tue, Feb 3, 2015 10:03 pm   
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair   


 cleveland. i live in a suburb of cleveland, 20 minutes from invacare. i 
needed a motor. the tech was at my home. he couldn't go get it. they had to 
mail it to them! my chair has had 2 new motors, new computer, new controller, 
batteries THREE times  so we wouldn't have to wait a month on bearings, we 
bought 20 online for a 1.00 a piece. i go thru those! and it's only 5 yrs old. 
all i do outside is stores and smooth surfaces walking my dog. i will however 
note your last opinion. thank you,  
diannado you know where pride chairs are built?  
   
   
 
When one has one pair of shoes, they get wetter, dirtier and require a lot more 
attention, than if you had a dozen pairs ... of shoes.   PWD's are usually 
singular, unless one as a backup chair or has access to another one.  
Wheelchairs are built for indoor mobility, but most take them out and about.  
Without annual pit stops for repairs PWDs will require lots of parts.  Most 
chairs are made in the Republic of China, by Chinese, using parts and 
components made in China. Some chairs are built in other countries in Europe 
and Australia/ New Zealand.  In order for some competitive companies that have 
contracts with several government agencies that require MADE IN AMERICA,  they 
will import parts and components and assemble them here.  50%, means Made in 
the USA. 
 
 Remember that no matter the manufacturer or the year, it will require repairs. 
 Just make sure that those who evaluate and make the repairs, can also obtain 
the necessary parts in a timely fashion. 
 
 Are you in a competitive bid area?

  
   
   
   
   
-Original Message-   
 From: wheelchairwheelch...@aol.com   
 To: diannal767diannal...@aol.com; swlabrswl...@gmail.com; 
quad-listquad-list@eskimo.com   
 Sent: Tue, Feb 3, 2015 9:47 pm   
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair   


   
 When one has one pair of shoes, they get wetter, dirtier and require a lot 
more attention, than if you had a dozen pairs ... of shoes.   PWD's are usually 
singular, unless one as a backup chair or has access to another one.  
Wheelchairs are built for indoor mobility, but most take them out and about.  
Without annual pit stops for repairs PWDs will require lots of parts.  Most 
chairs are made in the Republic of China, by Chinese, using parts and 
components made in China. Some chairs are built in other countries in Europe 
and Australia/ New Zealand.  In order for some

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[diannal767]

thank you

Unfortunately, yes.  I had to have the motors replaced twice, they had some 
kind of oil leak.  When they were replaced, the new ones had the same problem.  
It had a tilt seating system which stopped working, had to have some kind of 
sensor replaced.  The seating system was from a different company (motion 
concepts).  When I had to have the batteries replaced, the seating system got 
in the way of the panels that cover the rear battery.  It took a wheelchair 
technician a whole day to replace the batteries, he was on the phone with 
motion concepts and pride mobility the whole time.  This may not have happened 
if the seating system had been from Pride.  I believe pride now has their own 
seating system.




-Original Message-
From: Fragile swl...@gmail.com
To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com
Sent: Wed, Feb 4, 2015 8:42 am
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair


 
Unfortunately, yes.  I had to have the motors replaced twice, they had some 
kind of oil leak.  When they were replaced, the new ones had the same problem.  
It had a tilt seating system which stopped working, had to have some kind of 
sensor replaced.  The seating system was from a different company (motion 
concepts).  When I had to have the batteries replaced, the seating system got 
in the way of the panels that cover the rear battery.  It took a wheelchair 
technician a whole day to replace the batteries, he was on the phone with 
motion concepts and pride mobility the whole time.  This may not have happened 
if the seating system had been from Pride.  I believe pride now has their own 
seating system.  
 
 
  
  
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 6:26 PM,diannal...@aol.com wrote:   
   
Have you had to make many repairs in the first 5 yrs? My xp is only 5 yrs 
old and has had countless repairs. I'm also trying to get away from Invacare  
their parts.
 
 
  
-Original Message-  
 From: Fragile   swl...@gmail.com  
 To: diannal767   diannal...@aol.com  
 Sent: Tue, Feb 3, 2015 5:09 pm  
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair  
   
   

 I bought a Quantum 600 about seven years ago, it was nice inside the house, 
but outdoors it had trouble with traction while going in reverse. They may have 
improved the suspension system since then, don't know. I now have a Permobil, 
like it a lot better. 


 
 
 On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:25 PM,  diannal...@aol.com wrote:  
  
   It's time for me to order a new chair and I am thinking about a 
Quatum. If anyone has onedo you like it? Thinking about tilt. Are they made 
for driving adaptations on the bottom?
 Dianna
   
 
 

   
  

  
  
 
 

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[Danny]

DON’T get a quantum! I just changed from a Quantum 6000z to a Permobil M300 and 
love it! My Quantum kept breaking and always had weird issues but my new 
Permobil M300 is leaps and bounds better.

-Danny

From: diannal...@aol.com [mailto:diannal...@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 12:25 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair

 

It's time for me to order a new chair and I am thinking about a Quatum. If 
anyone has onedo you like it? Thinking about tilt. Are they made for 
driving adaptations on the bottom? 

Dianna

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[diannal767]

thank you, i'll check that one out too.

DON’T get a quantum! I just changed from a Quantum 6000z to a Permobil M300 and 
love it! My Quantum kept breaking and always had weird issues but my new 
Permobil M300 is leaps and bounds better.




-Original Message-
From: Danny da...@immortaldesigns.co
To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com; quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, Feb 4, 2015 11:49 pm
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair


 
  
DON’T get a quantum! I just changed from a Quantum 6000z to a Permobil M300 and 
love it! My Quantum kept breaking and always had weird issues but my new 
Permobil M300 is leaps and bounds better.
  
-Danny
  
From: diannal...@aol.com [mailto:diannal...@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 12:25 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair
  
 
  
It's time for me to order a new chair and I am thinking about a Quatum. If 
anyone has onedo you like it? Thinking about tilt. Are they made for 
driving adaptations on the bottom? 
  
   
Dianna
  
 

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[greg]

I'm thinking of getting a Q6000z, it says it can get upgraded to 8mph.
I have an older Invacare TDX5, but it's not in great shape.
The Q6000z can use the joystick that can use infrared remotes to operate TV's, 
etc. That looks interesting.
I just wish I could get it faster. The 21st Century can do like 14mph, but the 
only chair shop my insurance uses will not sell those. Plus, it looks much 
bigger. Still uses belt drives. Anyone know a faster one.
Greg


 It's time for me to order a new chair and I am thinking about a
 Quatum. If anyone has onedo you like it? Thinking about tilt.
 Are they made for driving adaptations on the bottom?
 Dianna

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[wheelchair]

When one has one pair of shoes, they get wetter, dirtier and require a lot more 
attention, than if you had a dozen pairs ... of shoes.   PWD's are usually 
singular, unless one as a backup chair or has access to another one.  
Wheelchairs are built for indoor mobility, but most take them out and about.  
Without annual pit stops for repairs PWDs will require lots of parts.  Most 
chairs are made in the Republic of China, by Chinese, using parts and 
components made in China. Some chairs are built in other countries in Europe 
and Australia/ New Zealand.  In order for some competitive companies that have 
contracts with several government agencies that require MADE IN AMERICA,  they 
will import parts and components and assemble them here.  50%, means Made in 
the USA.
Remember that no matter the manufacturer or the year, it will require repairs.  
Just make sure that those who evaluate and make the repairs, can also obtain 
the necessary parts in a timely fashion.
Are you in a competitive bid area?
Best Wishes
 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com
To: swlabr swl...@gmail.com; quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Feb 3, 2015 7:26 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair


Have you had to make many repairs in the first 5 yrs? My xp is only 5 yrs old 
and has had countless repairs. I'm also trying to get away from Invacare  
their parts.



-Original Message-
From: Fragile swl...@gmail.com
To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com
Sent: Tue, Feb 3, 2015 5:09 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair


 
I bought a Quantum 600 about seven years ago, it was nice inside the house, but 
outdoors it had trouble with traction while going in reverse. They may have 
improved the suspension system since then, don't know. I now have a Permobil, 
like it a lot better.  
 
 
  
  
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:25 PM,diannal...@aol.com wrote:   
   
It's time for me to order a new chair and I am thinking about a Quatum. If 
anyone has onedo you like it? Thinking about tilt. Are they made for 
driving adaptations on the bottom?  
Dianna 

  
  
 
 

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[diannal767]

cleveland. i live in a suburb of cleveland, 20 minutes from invacare. i needed 
a motor. the tech was at my home. he couldn't go get it. they had to mail it to 
them! my chair has had 2 new motors, new computer, new controller, batteries 
THREE times  so we wouldn't have to wait a month on bearings, we bought 20 
online for a 1.00 a piece. i go thru those! and it's only 5 yrs old. all i do 
outside is stores and smooth surfaces walking my dog. i will however note your 
last opinion. thank you,
diannado you know where pride chairs are built?


When one has one pair of shoes, they get wetter, dirtier and require a lot more 
attention, than if you had a dozen pairs ... of shoes.   PWD's are usually 
singular, unless one as a backup chair or has access to another one.  
Wheelchairs are built for indoor mobility, but most take them out and about.  
Without annual pit stops for repairs PWDs will require lots of parts.  Most 
chairs are made in the Republic of China, by Chinese, using parts and 
components made in China. Some chairs are built in other countries in Europe 
and Australia/ New Zealand.  In order for some competitive companies that have 
contracts with several government agencies that require MADE IN AMERICA,  they 
will import parts and components and assemble them here.  50%, means Made in 
the USA.  
   
Remember that no matter the manufacturer or the year, it will require repairs.  
Just make sure that those who evaluate and make the repairs, can also obtain 
the necessary parts in a timely fashion.  
   
Are you in a competitive bid area?





-Original Message-
From: wheelchair wheelch...@aol.com
To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com; swlabr swl...@gmail.com; quad-list 
quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Feb 3, 2015 9:47 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair



When one has one pair of shoes, they get wetter, dirtier and require a lot more 
attention, than if you had a dozen pairs ... of shoes.   PWD's are usually 
singular, unless one as a backup chair or has access to another one.  
Wheelchairs are built for indoor mobility, but most take them out and about.  
Without annual pit stops for repairs PWDs will require lots of parts.  Most 
chairs are made in the Republic of China, by Chinese, using parts and 
components made in China. Some chairs are built in other countries in Europe 
and Australia/ New Zealand.  In order for some competitive companies that have 
contracts with several government agencies that require MADE IN AMERICA,  they 
will import parts and components and assemble them here.  50%, means Made in 
the USA.  
   
Remember that no matter the manufacturer or the year, it will require repairs.  
Just make sure that those who evaluate and make the repairs, can also obtain 
the necessary parts in a timely fashion.  
   
Are you in a competitive bid area?  
   
Best Wishes  
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
-Original Message-   
 From: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com   
 To: swlabr swl...@gmail.com; quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com   
 Sent: Tue, Feb 3, 2015 7:26 pm   
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair   


 Have you had to make many repairs in the first 5 yrs? My xp is only 5 yrs 
old and has had countless repairs. I'm also trying to get away from Invacare  
their parts.
 
 
  
-Original Message-  
 From: Fragile   swl...@gmail.com  
 To: diannal767   diannal...@aol.com  
 Sent: Tue, Feb 3, 2015 5:09 pm  
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair  
   
   

 I bought a Quantum 600 about seven years ago, it was nice inside the house, 
but outdoors it had trouble with traction while going in reverse. They may have 
improved the suspension system since then, don't know. I now have a Permobil, 
like it a lot better. 


 
 
 On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:25 PM,  diannal...@aol.com wrote:  
  
   It's time for me to order a new chair and I am thinking about a 
Quatum. If anyone has onedo you like it? Thinking about tilt. Are they made 
for driving adaptations on the bottom?
 Dianna
   
 
 

   
  
 
   
 

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair

[diannal767]

Have you had to make many repairs in the first 5 yrs? My xp is only 5 yrs old 
and has had countless repairs. I'm also trying to get away from Invacare  
their parts.



-Original Message-
From: Fragile swl...@gmail.com
To: diannal767 diannal...@aol.com
Sent: Tue, Feb 3, 2015 5:09 pm
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair


 
I bought a Quantum 600 about seven years ago, it was nice inside the house, but 
outdoors it had trouble with traction while going in reverse. They may have 
improved the suspension system since then, don't know. I now have a Permobil, 
like it a lot better.  
 
 
  
  
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:25 PM,diannal...@aol.com wrote:   
   
It's time for me to order a new chair and I am thinking about a Quatum. If 
anyone has onedo you like it? Thinking about tilt. Are they made for 
driving adaptations on the bottom?  
Dianna 

  
  
 
 

Re: [QUAD-L] New chair delivery - no show

[Eric W Rudd]

what makes you on their bad side by wanting to know where your chair is?

- Original Message - 
From: Gmail bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com

To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 12:05 PM
Subject: [QUAD-L] New chair delivery - no show


Friday Aug. 2nd I spoke to a rep from my supplier, they said they were 
coming on Monday Aug. 5th in the afternoon ... nothing, no show and now 
phone call.
 I don't want to get on their bad side and complain but WHERE IS MY 
CHAIR?
 I'm tempted to cam my insurance company, but then again I don't want to 
get on the suppliers bad side.

 The chair I'm in now is about to fall apart, I REALLY NEED this new chair.
I have an appointment at Kessler for Aug. 22nd as a follow-up for my new 
chair ... maybe I should just wait till then?

Bobbie

Smile Everyday 

Re: [QUAD-L] New chair delivery - no show

[Fragile]

You should give them a call and politely ask what's going on.


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gmail bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com wrote:

 Friday Aug. 2nd I spoke to a rep from my supplier, they said they were
 coming on Monday Aug. 5th in the afternoon ... nothing, no show and now
 phone call.
   I don't want to get on their bad side and complain but WHERE IS MY
 CHAIR?
   I'm tempted to cam my insurance company, but then again I don't want to
 get on the suppliers bad side.
   The chair I'm in now is about to fall apart, I REALLY NEED this new
 chair.
 I have an appointment at Kessler for Aug. 22nd as a follow-up for my new
 chair ... maybe I should just wait till then?
 Bobbie

 Smile Everyday

Re: [QUAD-L] New chair delivery - no show

[Gmail]

I called my supplier today (Tuesday) and they said NOTHING about not showing up 
Monday. But said somebody will be at your home Thursday afternoon around 2:00 
with your chair.
  I have special foot plates that must be adjusted just so, and shoe holders 
that need to be put on as well. I just hope they send someone who knows what 
their doing being this is the very first time I'm dealing with this supplier.
Bobbie


Smile Everyday

On Aug 6, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Fragile swl...@gmail.com wrote:

 You should give them a call and politely ask what's going on.
 
 
 On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gmail bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com wrote:
 Friday Aug. 2nd I spoke to a rep from my supplier, they said they were 
 coming on Monday Aug. 5th in the afternoon ... nothing, no show and now 
 phone call.
   I don't want to get on their bad side and complain but WHERE IS MY CHAIR?
   I'm tempted to cam my insurance company, but then again I don't want to 
 get on the suppliers bad side.
   The chair I'm in now is about to fall apart, I REALLY NEED this new chair.
 I have an appointment at Kessler for Aug. 22nd as a follow-up for my new 
 chair ... maybe I should just wait till then?
 Bobbie
 
 Smile Everyday
 

Re: [QUAD-L] New chair delivery - no show

[wheelchair]

When a chair is shipped by Pride, a pro number is sent to the DME for  
tracking and tracing an order.  I can receive that same pro number and  track 
an order from the time it leaves the factory all the way to the DME.   I can 
tell exactly when it was delivered and who signed the receipt.   Tracking 
is so easy.  After your chair is received.  It must be  unpacked and tested, 
while the batteries are charged over night.  Only then  can your DME call 
and advise you that it will be shipped.  I would call in  the morning and ask 
if the driver got sick.  That happens sometimes, but  someone should have 
notified you.  That is just good business  practice.
 
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 8/6/2013 12:05:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com writes:

Friday  Aug. 2nd I spoke to a rep from my supplier, they said they were 
coming on  Monday Aug. 5th in the afternoon ... nothing, no show and now phone  
call.
I don't want to get on their bad side and complain but WHERE  IS MY CHAIR?
I'm tempted to cam my insurance company, but then again  I don't want to 
get on the suppliers bad side.
The chair I'm in now  is about to fall apart, I REALLY NEED this new chair.
I have an appointment  at Kessler for Aug. 22nd as a follow-up for my new 
chair ... maybe I should  just wait till then?
Bobbie

Smile  Everyday

Re: [QUAD-L] New chair delivery - no show

[RONALD L PRACHT]

It doesnt matter at this point why he didnt show up if he gave you another day 
he is coming. I sincerely doubt things will be right the first time with the 
chair. Its almost more productive if you can go to where the chair is and if 
its not right, its not as big of a problem. What happenned to me was the guy 
that delivered my chair knew nothing about what was ordered and was juat a 
middle man with a couple tools with no way to fix big issues. The person that 
delivers your chair will promise anything to get you to take the chair and 
sign. Problem with that is he will conveniently forget about promises and leave 
you as a troublemaker. When delivery is made, dont get angry, but at the same 
time do not accept unless it is right for you. 
 
ron
 


 From: Gmail bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com
To: Fragile swl...@gmail.com 
Cc: quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New chair delivery - no show
  


I called my supplier today (Tuesday) and they said NOTHING about not showing up 
Monday. But said somebody will be at your home Thursday afternoon around 2:00 
with your chair.
  I have special foot plates that must be adjusted just so, and shoe holders 
that need to be put on as well. I just hope they send someone who knows what 
their doing being this is the very first time I'm dealing with this supplier.
Bobbie


Smile Everyday

On Aug 6, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Fragile swl...@gmail.com wrote:


You should give them a call and politely ask what's going on.




On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gmail bobbiehumphre...@gmail.com wrote:

Friday Aug. 2nd I spoke to a rep from my supplier, they said they were coming 
on Monday Aug. 5th in the afternoon ... nothing, no show and now phone call.
  I don't want to get on their bad side and complain but WHERE IS MY CHAIR?
  I'm tempted to cam my insurance company, but then again I don't want to get 
on the suppliers bad side.
  The chair I'm in now is about to fall apart, I REALLY NEED this new chair.
I have an appointment at Kessler for Aug. 22nd as a follow-up for my new 
chair ... maybe I should just wait till then?
Bobbie

Smile Everyday

 

Re: [QUAD-L] New chair

[wheelchair]

So you won the battle, but lost the war ??  Have you considered brake  
lever extensions.  Does TiLite have them or can they be custom made?   I'm 
surprise this wasn't revealed at the beginning of your journey.
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 6/14/2011 1:56:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
todd.daughe...@gmail.com writes:

I picked  up my TiLite ZRA yesterday and was a little disappointed. The 
brakes were  obviously designed for paras, but even my therapist could not get 
then on  (weird scissor type spring loaded). My spinergy wheels look nice, 
but the  quick release axle does not lock. I am using the Varilite cushion 
which i like  because of the ease of inflation/ deflation. 

I had to fight insurance  a bit to get it paid, said I needed the 
lightweight to load/unload in my car.  

So far it looks better than it feels, buy I have yet to find one I'm  
comfortable in. 

Regards,

Todd
C6  inc

Re: [QUAD-L] New chair

[Don Price]

Give yourself some time to adjust to the new chair before you do anything 
drastic.  Every time I've changed to a new powerchair I've hated it at first 
and then have slowly grown to like it.  Do whatever adjustments you can to make 
it fit you better, but don't give up on it too quickly.
 
My $ .02, and worth just that.
Don.
C5-6, Tempe, AZ

From: wheelch...@aol.com wheelch...@aol.com
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] New chair


So you won the battle, but lost the war ??  Have you considered brake lever 
extensions.  Does TiLite have them or can they be custom made?  I'm surprise 
this wasn't revealed at the beginning of your journey.
Best Wishes

In a message dated 6/14/2011 1:56:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
todd.daughe...@gmail.com writes:
I picked up my TiLite ZRA yesterday and was a little disappointed. The brakes 
were obviously designed for paras, but even my therapist could not get then on 
(weird scissor type spring loaded). My spinergy wheels look nice, but the quick 
release axle does not lock. I am using the Varilite cushion which i like 
because of the ease of inflation/ deflation. 

I had to fight insurance a bit to get it paid, said I needed the lightweight 
to load/unload in my car. 

So far it looks better than it feels, buy I have yet to find one I'm 
comfortable in. 

Regards,

Todd
C6 inc

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[Quadius]

I'm glad you enjoy it.  If the paint looks violet, that's because they gave
you purple.  When I ordered my Invacare years ago I wanted purple and it
came in violet and that's what they said was purple.

I've been working with my new chair for a month now and even though I'm
still having problems, I am slowly getting used to the differences.  Its
been a hard time for me to learn how to use Magitek effectively with the
Permobile.  Actually I don't think I'm real effective yet, but I am getting
better.  Changing from the Peachtree to Magitek has been a heck of a change.
I really wish I could just get in a new chair and drive away without any
difficulties, but that's not the way it is for me.
Quadius


On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:24 PM, diannal...@aol.com wrote:

  Hi everyone!
 I have my new chair. I love it. It's a TDX5 (spj) ? I've always had
 rear wheel chairs so it's very different. Seems kinda tight in my mini-van.
 I expected the opposite because of the turning radius. It flies down the
 street. I play with the kids in the neighborhood. They have to put on a
 pretty good jog to stay with me. It's supposed to be pink but looks violet
 to me. Love it!
 Dianna

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[DiannaL767]

 
In a message dated 3/21/2010 3:00:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
lorilivin...@gmail.com writes:


Dianna  Greg,
 
Does the TDX5 have the 'Tilt-n-Space feature?  I looked on  their website 
briefly and it did not look like it did but I could be  wrong?



No Lori, mine doesn't. I do believe Tilt is an option.
Dianna

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[DiannaL767]

In a message dated 3/21/2010 3:00:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
lorilivin...@gmail.com writes:

Does the  TDX5 have the 'Tilt-n-Space feature?  I looked on their website  
briefly and it did not look like it did but I could be  wrong?
Mine doesn't have power legs either.
Dianna

 

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[DiannaL767]

 
In a message dated 3/20/2010 1:01:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
hellodav...@aol.com writes:

Picture???I don't have to Google this  do I?


didn't think we could send pics on the list or  embed

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[hellodaveoc]

correct - u can't.   thanks 4 the pic on my other addy.
xoxoxox  nice looking ride.
 
 
“Mere longevity is a good thing for those who watch Life from the  side 
lines. For those who play the game, an hour may be a year, a single day's  work 
an achievement for eternity.”

_Dave  O'Connell_ (http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveoc/) 





In a message dated 3/20/2010 9:36:50 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
diannal...@aol.com writes:

 
In a message dated 3/20/2010 1:01:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
hellodav...@aol.com writes:

Picture???I don't have to Google  this do I?


didn't think we could send pics on the list or  embed

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[DiannaL767]

In a message dated 3/20/2010 12:46:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
hellodav...@aol.com writes:

correct - u can't.   thanks 4 the pic on my other addy.
xoxoxox  nice looking ride. 

thx! rides good, feels smooth  i like the color.

 

RE: [QUAD-L] new chair

[Greg]

I love the smooth ride of my TDX5 too. Though having once had the 21st
Century Bounder, I still find the TDX5  a bit slow. They are a bit bigger
than they seem to need be. I Hate the individual/independent power leg rests
on the TDX though. Each leg rest needing to plug in it's own built on motor.
It's big and bulky looking. I converted to a single post power leg rest.
Much better looking, but after a few years the belt it uses keeps slipping
and the foot plate drops about an inch lower than it is supposed to be. I
get it fixed and the next day they drop again. Time to order a new one.

 

Greg

 

  _  

 

Hi everyone!

I have my new chair. I love it. It's a TDX5 (spj) ? I've always had
rear wheel chairs so it's very different. Seems kinda tight in my mini-van.
I expected the opposite because of the turning radius. It flies down the
street. I play with the kids in the neighborhood. They have to put on a
pretty good jog to stay with me. It's supposed to be pink but looks violet
to me. Love it!

Dianna

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[Eric W Rudd]

congrats...enjoy

Eric W Rudd
c5sc...@gmail.com

Re: [QUAD-L] new chair

[hellodaveoc]

Picture???I don't have to Google this do I?
 
 
“Mere longevity is a good thing for those who watch Life from the  side 
lines. For those who play the game, an hour may be a year, a single day's  work 
an achievement for eternity.”

_Dave  O'Connell_ (http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveoc/) 





In a message dated 3/19/2010 7:25:02 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
diannal...@aol.com writes:

Hi everyone!
I have my new chair. I love it. It's a TDX5 (spj) ? I've always  had 
rear wheel chairs so it's very different. Seems kinda tight in my  mini-van. 
I expected the opposite because of the turning radius. It flies down  the 
street. I play with the kids in the neighborhood. They have to put on a  
pretty good jog to stay with me. It's supposed to be pink but looks violet to  
me. Love it!
Dianna

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair? Let's get custom

[Joan Anglin]

Greg

My ex husband been made legrests for me like a sports Manual chair has-been
cut off the standard legrests about 4 inches down, and then made the one
piece bottom.  My first chair was an arrow, second was an Invacare and my
present chair is a Omega trac-we have adapted the legrests for each chair.
I absolutely love it, as it keeps my feet together and looks much more
sleek.  Good ideas

 

From: Greg [mailto:g...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:56 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair? Let's get custom

 

I have been very lucky with getting chairs. So far I've always got the chair
I wanted, including a Permobil. Though that was from a state insurance
program for uninsurable people with pre existing injuries. That was great
insurance, bought me a Permobil and a Surehands ceiling lift. Though the
premiums were a lot. Just as I was moving out of state so losing that
insurance, I got a TDX3 from them.  I hated the electronics on that, the
jerky steering, the clanky electric legrests, the back hurt my shoulders a
lot. A year later with new insurance, I got a new TDX5, so much nicer. With
the same insurance still and the chair only 5 years old. I now might have to
wait awhile. It is breaking down a lot now. And with my back curving more. I
might need some major chair seat/back modifications. But I sure would like
11.6 mph.!

 

I'd love to take a chair to a motorcycle or car customizing shop. I'd cut a
bunch of needless stuff off, hide more wiring, maybe a custom cover over the
bottom half of the chair, a gps unit that could be tracked from a home
computer (incase of emergency), a flip down platform on the back a friend
could stand on, cstom legrests more like sport manual chairs, maybe a
armrest pad could flip open for a phone,  etc.

 

If you no longer need things adjustable, you could make things much
smoother.  Just make it to your size/.fit.  My armrest, thigh pads, joystick
bar, have all kinds of knobs, nuts, etc that could be left off. There are so
many things that could be done to make chairs better looking.

 

Greg

  _  

 

I might have missed something as the rules for obtaining a new chair has
changed in the last 5 years.  Just ask anyone who has received one.  What
you want, you may not get or you may get more.  Much depends on how well you
follow the protocol, with your doctor, occupational therapist, the DME's
ATS, they way the order is coded and pre-approval of CMS.  I know of some
who were surprised at what they got and others complained.  But there is
nothing wrong with starting a list and hoping that your doctor and CMS
agrees.

Happy New Year

Best Wishes

 

In a message dated 1/2/2010 4:49:45 P.M. Central Standard Time,
bobbie...@aol.com writes:

Hopefully soon I can qualify for a new chair.

 

Greg, Start NOW making a list, literally, of things you want for your new
chair - right down to the size of the foot plates, arm rest size EVERYTHING.
~ Bobbie

RE: [QUAD-L] New Chair? Let's get custom

[Greg]

I have been very lucky with getting chairs. So far I've always got the chair
I wanted, including a Permobil. Though that was from a state insurance
program for uninsurable people with pre existing injuries. That was great
insurance, bought me a Permobil and a Surehands ceiling lift. Though the
premiums were a lot. Just as I was moving out of state so losing that
insurance, I got a TDX3 from them.  I hated the electronics on that, the
jerky steering, the clanky electric legrests, the back hurt my shoulders a
lot. A year later with new insurance, I got a new TDX5, so much nicer. With
the same insurance still and the chair only 5 years old. I now might have to
wait awhile. It is breaking down a lot now. And with my back curving more. I
might need some major chair seat/back modifications. But I sure would like
11.6 mph.!

 

I'd love to take a chair to a motorcycle or car customizing shop. I'd cut a
bunch of needless stuff off, hide more wiring, maybe a custom cover over the
bottom half of the chair, a gps unit that could be tracked from a home
computer (incase of emergency), a flip down platform on the back a friend
could stand on, cstom legrests more like sport manual chairs, maybe a
armrest pad could flip open for a phone,  etc.

 

If you no longer need things adjustable, you could make things much
smoother.  Just make it to your size/.fit.  My armrest, thigh pads, joystick
bar, have all kinds of knobs, nuts, etc that could be left off. There are so
many things that could be done to make chairs better looking.

 

Greg

  _  

 

I might have missed something as the rules for obtaining a new chair has
changed in the last 5 years.  Just ask anyone who has received one.  What
you want, you may not get or you may get more.  Much depends on how well you
follow the protocol, with your doctor, occupational therapist, the DME's
ATS, they way the order is coded and pre-approval of CMS.  I know of some
who were surprised at what they got and others complained.  But there is
nothing wrong with starting a list and hoping that your doctor and CMS
agrees.

Happy New Year

Best Wishes

 

In a message dated 1/2/2010 4:49:45 P.M. Central Standard Time,
bobbie...@aol.com writes:

Hopefully soon I can qualify for a new chair.

 

Greg, Start NOW making a list, literally, of things you want for your new
chair - right down to the size of the foot plates, arm rest size EVERYTHING.
~ Bobbie

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair? Let's get custom

[wheelchair]

in that case I wish you more!
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 1/3/2010 6:56:34 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
g...@eskimo.com writes:

 
I have been very  lucky with getting chairs. So far I’ve always got the 
chair I wanted,  including a Permobil. Though that was from a state insurance 
program for  uninsurable people with pre existing injuries. That was great 
insurance,  bought me a Permobil and a Surehands ceiling lift. Though the 
premiums were a  lot. Just as I was moving out of state so losing that 
insurance, I got a TDX3  from them.  I hated the electronics on that, the jerky 
steering, the  clanky electric legrests, the back hurt my shoulders a lot. A 
year 
later with  new insurance, I got a new TDX5, so much nicer. With the same 
insurance still  and the chair only 5 years old. I now might have to wait 
awhile. It is  breaking down a lot now. And with my back curving more. I might 
need some  major chair seat/back modifications. But I sure would like 11.6  
mph…! 
I’d love to take a  chair to a motorcycle or car customizing shop. I’d cut 
a bunch of needless  stuff off, hide more wiring, maybe a custom cover over 
the bottom half of the  chair, a gps unit that could be tracked from a home 
computer (incase of  emergency), a flip down platform on the back a friend 
could stand on, cstom  legrests more like sport manual chairs, maybe a 
armrest pad could flip open  for a phone,  etc. 
If you no longer need  things adjustable, you could make things much 
smoother.  Just make it to  your size/.fit.  My armrest, thigh pads, joystick 
bar, 
have all kinds of  knobs, nuts, etc that could be left off. There are so 
many things that could  be done to make chairs better looking. 
Greg 
 
  

 

 
I might have missed  something as the rules for obtaining a new chair has 
changed in the last 5  years.  Just ask anyone who has received one.  What 
you want, you  may not get or you may get more.  Much depends on how well you 
follow the  protocol, with your doctor, occupational therapist, the DME's 
ATS, they way  the order is coded and pre-approval of CMS.  I know of some who 
were  surprised at what they got and others complained.  But there is 
nothing  wrong with starting a list and hoping that your doctor and CMS  agrees.
 
Happy New  Year
 
Best  Wishes
 

 
 
In a message dated  1/2/2010 4:49:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
bobbie...@aol.com  writes:

 
 
Hopefully soon I  can qualify for a new chair.
 

 
Greg, Start NOW  making a list, literally, of things you want for your new 
chair - right  down to the size of the foot plates, arm rest size  
EVERYTHING.   ~  Bobbie

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair?

[Bobbie299]

 
Hopefully soon I can qualify for a new chair.
 
Greg, Start NOW making a list, literally, of things you want for your new 
chair - right down to the size of the foot plates, arm rest size EVERYTHING.  
~ Bobbie

Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair?

[Tod E. Santee]

Greg,

I think 21st Century still makes the old style chairs with the 20 rear tires.  
I had a new chair made in 2005 and RD said they had no plans to discontinue 
them (though that WAS 5 years ago).

I find the smaller rear wheels getting me stuck in gravel, soft soil, etc. much 
more often than the more narrow big tires.  I specifically decided on the 
smaller rear tires for just that reason and very quickly was disappointed!  
It's either that or the weightdistribution with their group 27 batteries causes 
the small, wide tires to dig in more... not sure.

If I was to get another, I'd be asking for the big rear again.  (tires, that is)

Best!
--Tod

 Greg g...@eskimo.com wrote: 
 Hopefully soon I can qualify for a new chair. For almost 20 years I've used
 mid or front wheel chairs. My very first chair was a rear wheel, belt
 driven, 21st Century. It was big, bulky, and pretty fast. Now I'm thinking
 of going back to that chair. It's better looking now, though still not
 great. It still uses belt drive. The rear wheel is not much bigger than the
 front now, not that bike size wheel it used before. The front wheel is a bit
 bigger than my mid wheel TDX5 uses. That's good for outside, maybe I wont
 get stuck in gravel as often. Though wider tires might not be as good for
 indoors. It says it goes 11.6, though with tilt, recline, and seat raiser,
 that would slow it down some.
 
  
 
 The Permobil X850 Corpus looks cool, best looking power chair I've seen. But
 it only does 9 mph. It's just such a cool chair. It's like a mini car.
 
  
 
 Maybe in the next year I can get one of these.
 
  
 
 Greg