[RBW] wtb cheviot 55 oj

[Philip Kim]

Looking to see if anyone has a cheviot 55cm they wanted to part with. Will 
probably call Riv in a couple of days if nothing turns up.

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Philip Kim]

Agreed, I'll have to wait to see if they are just selling framesets. I'm 
also not too big a fan of the Hillborne blue color. The $400 off is very 
tempting though...

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 10:13:56 AM UTC-4, Jeffrey Marco wrote:
>
> Really liking the look of this bike, It's got me considering selling my 
> Atlantis, but I certainly don't want the stock build. I would likely 
> transfer all the parts from my Atlantis to a Japaloosa. The bar looks like 
> it would be stiff and comfortable but it's ugly as hell...
>
>
> Hmmm... decisions, decisions
>
>  "but it seems the joe could be set up as a drop bar fast tourer."
> did you notice the length of the top tube? this frame has upright, swept 
> back bars written all over it. my 2 cents.
>
> On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 12:46:30 PM UTC-4, Matt R wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Just wondering if anyone has insider knowledge about the Joe Appaloosa 
>> geometry? The last Riv email described it as a cross between a Hunq and 
>> Atlantis, which sounds like my dream bike, but the recent Web Special 
>> proto-Appaloosas appeared to be geometrically identical to Sam H, the only 
>> obvious differences being larger tire clearances and canti posts. If it's 
>> truly somewhere between Hunq and Atlantis, I'm gonna start saving my 
>> pennies now. Any insights would be greatly appreciated, sounds like it will 
>> be a wonderful bike!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Matt in Tucson
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Wayne Naha]

It not my fault!  Riv is making too many great bikes.  It is an exciting 
time to be part of everything going on.

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 6:48:22 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 10/29/2015 12:07 AM, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
> No regrets here.  But that doesn't mean that I wouldn't love to have a Joe 
> alongside my Clem.  It just that when my wife and I were discussing my Clem 
> purchase she asked, "Is this the last bike you are going to buy *during 
> our marriage*?"  It's a little soon to try and weasel out of that one.
>
>
> There's only one thing to say, and Nancy Reagan said it a long time ago:  
> "Just say no."
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Jeffrey Marco]

Really liking the look of this bike, It's got me considering selling my 
Atlantis, but I certainly don't want the stock build. I would likely 
transfer all the parts from my Atlantis to a Japaloosa. The bar looks like 
it would be stiff and comfortable but it's ugly as hell...


Hmmm... decisions, decisions

 "but it seems the joe could be set up as a drop bar fast tourer."
did you notice the length of the top tube? this frame has upright, swept 
back bars written all over it. my 2 cents.

On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 12:46:30 PM UTC-4, Matt R wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Just wondering if anyone has insider knowledge about the Joe Appaloosa 
> geometry? The last Riv email described it as a cross between a Hunq and 
> Atlantis, which sounds like my dream bike, but the recent Web Special 
> proto-Appaloosas appeared to be geometrically identical to Sam H, the only 
> obvious differences being larger tire clearances and canti posts. If it's 
> truly somewhere between Hunq and Atlantis, I'm gonna start saving my 
> pennies now. Any insights would be greatly appreciated, sounds like it will 
> be a wonderful bike!
>
> Cheers,
> Matt in Tucson
>

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Ginz]

I think the complete bike is a great deal.  The only parts I can't live 
with are the brakes, but that's an easy swap. I'd have to try that 
handlebar, too. Not sure about that.

The wheelsets are the achilles heel of complete bike builds but these have 
the Silver hubs, both 36h.  That's a great thing.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

['Mark Etze' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I thought this was going to be that bike. Would they do two new bikes in 
one year?

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 10:36:37 AM UTC-4, Kainalu wrote:
>
> Right? Although it's been said over the phone that something specifically 
> tailored to the 100 club was in the works in the coming year. It might be 
> secret, I'm sure information will be released in a need to know basis. No 
> norms.
> -Kai
> Brooklyn NY

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RE: [RBW] Re: Rohloff IGH Questions

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

He does, and he's extremely knowledgeable about them.  Great source.  I bought 
mine from Peter.

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rohloff IGH Questions

I'm enjoying this conversation. Very informative and interesting.
I'd love to use one on a future build.
Doesn't Peter White sell Rohloff hubs?
Jon


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[RBW] Re: wtb cheviot 55 oj

[Philip Kim]

those seem like nice colors. i can wait for those, unless someone has one 
they want to let go of sometime between then.

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 10:38:13 AM UTC-4, Lynne Cooney wrote:
>
> Riv doesn't have any and according to Rivelo, the next batch will be green 
> and silver, no orange. 

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[RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It's definitely a deeper, richer orange, more like the original Ram. I like 
it better than the prototype orange, which was a bit too candy/'Public bike 
for my taste. Anyway, a black 52cm Clementine for me. I'm bad when I have 
to choose a color, even from a limited palette. And how much can the black 
change from the proto?;^) 

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 11:02:13 AM UTC-4, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
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> Thanks Bob.  From the photo, (to be honest) the orange is disappointing 
> (compared to the prototype orange, which was much brighter).
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Kainalu]

Right? Although it's been said over the phone that something specifically 
tailored to the 100 club was in the works in the coming year. It might be 
secret, I'm sure information will be released in a need to know basis. No norms.
-Kai
Brooklyn NY

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[RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[Montclair BobbyB]

Thanks Bob.  From the photo, (to be honest) the orange is disappointing 
(compared to the prototype orange, which was much brighter) I will have 
to reserve judgment until I see it in person, but thinking my build parts 
that I (pre-)painted orange (to hopefully match the proto orange) will 
likely need to be repainted.  I'll find out soon enough...  my Clementine 
has shipped

BB


On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 6:10:11 PM UTC-4, Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>
> While I don't have a photo of a 59cm Clementine, I do have a photo of an 
> orange one!
>
> I just happened to be visiting the Bay Area (from NJ) this past weekend, 
> so last Saturday I headed over to Walnut Creek to visit both RBW locations 
> -- it was my first visit to either shop, and I had very nice chats with 
> Vince at BB and Harry at RBWHQ and got to see lots of bikes and gear. As 
> someone who had pre-ordered a grey 52-cm Clem frame, I was hoping to see at 
> least some frames there, so I was very happy to see three grey built-up 
> Clems -- one for each size! A green Clem was also there, as well as orange 
> and teal Clementines. They all look great -- in fact, my wife is now 
> interested in a Clementine!
>
> Here's a photo:
>
> Bob E
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 3:35:05 PM UTC-4, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>>
>> ANYONE have a photo of a 59cm Clementine with fat 700c tires, or a 
>> confirmation photo of the (new) orange color.  I suppose I could always 
>> just wait for mine to arrive but I don't want to :)
>>
>> BB
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Abcyclehank]

If a "Giant" Joe Appaloosa came out for 97+PBH I would be an early adopter for 
sure.  That price point is a screaming deal even leaving wiggle room for 
personal preferences like brakes, dyno, or cockpit.  

Blue would not be my first choice but never a deal breaker from my perspective. 
 RWH is like 19 for 21 with color choices in single color models in my opinion.

Ryan
Spring Lake, MI

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Kainalu]

Right? Although it's been said over the phone that something specifically 
tailored to the 100 club was in the works I'm the coming year. It might be 
secret, I'm sure information will be released in a need to know basis. No norms.
-Kai
Brooklyn NY 

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[RBW] wtb cheviot 55 oj

[Lynne Cooney]

Riv doesn't have any and according to Rivelo, the next batch will be green and 
silver, no orange. 

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Lynne Cooney]

For me a dynamo hub is non negotiable, so that rules out most complete bikes. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

['Mark Etze' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I am so disappointed  in their sizing. Once again they left out the over 
97cm crowd. I thought the Appaloosa was originally supposed to be for 
larger riders. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[BSWP]

Thanks, Bill. I guess everybody in the biz must know that about the Rinko 
headsets! Sounds like a good innovation, to use cartridge bearings, and I 
guess it's fair to assume they're pre-greased.

- Andrew "why am I always the last to know?", Berkeley

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 2:43:04 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Those rinko headsets have a cartridge bearing that is sitting inside the 
> cups, similar, but not identical to Shimano.  With Shimanos, the cartridge 
> falls right out.  With 'normal' ball bearing headsets there's a ring with 
> ball bearings that you slather with grease and install.  The headset on 
> your Clem will have the cartridge bearings in there already.  That's why 
> there seemed to be a missing step.  
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 1:49:19 PM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:
>>
>> I noticed the same thing.  The bearing install was definitely skipped 
>> over.
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 4:19:09 PM UTC-4, BSWP wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmmm... watching the video, I wonder, how did the fork bearings get in 
>>> there? They came already packed in grease, in the cups, in the frame?
>>>
>>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>>



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Re: [RBW] Advice on internal gear hubs

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks; interesting comparison. I've used old AWs before and, except for
the mysteries of properly adjusting the pull chain, they've worked well and
have, if anything, too wide gaps between gears. I'm thinking now of the
kickback 2 speed, with a second chain to accommodate the very large cog I'd
require.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> Patrick:
>
> I’m not sure if you can buy them separately, but Brompton designed and S-A
> builds a 3-speed hub to go with their folding bikes. It’s called the BWR
> (Brompton Wide Range) and offers a combination of pretty broad range of
> gears and a simpler, more robust set of internals that they also claim is
> more efficient. On the BWR, the middle gear is direct drive; low is
> underdrive and high is overdrive.
>
> Here’s a fairly technical and detailed discussion of the internals of the
> BWR:
>
>
> https://chestercycling.wordpress.com/2013/05/22/inside-the-brompton-wide-range-bwr-hub/
>
>
> --Eric N
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>
> On Oct 28, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> Well, it looks as if the return by the shop of the 36-hole S3X hub I
> didn't order (I ordered a 32) is a forlorn hope, as Vaughn just checked all
> the suppliers and they have only 36s -- very odd for a hub of this sort, no?
>
> If i don't have it built into a 28 hole rim, and return it, I may order a
> more standard IG hub and I'd like y'all's advice on that.
>
> 1. Which internal gear hub, beside the S3X, has the lowest drag in
> non-direct gears? I should think that a 3 speed would have less, all else
> equal, than a 7 or 8?
>
> 2. Does said low drag hub come in 32 hole with aluminum shell?
>
> 3. Of the newer 8 speed hubs, which is best in terms of:
> > Drag
> > small gaps, expecially in the middle (I'd like to run gaps of no more
> than 10 gear inches in the 60 to 80 inch range; 60-70-80 would be doable,
> tho' my beau ideal is 60-65-70-75-80).
>
> 'Nother question: a SA kickback would be very nice, except that it is
> over- instead of underdrive, so that with the 46 or 48 rings on my
> Rivendells, I'd have to run a 22 t sprocket (the largest SA permits) which
> in turn means that I'd need to splice in a section of chain to eke out the
> axle movement in the dropouts.
>
> So (this is the question): Is there any kickback hub that:
> > is underdrive or that has less gear up than 137%;
> > that takes 3/32, readily available sprockts?
>
> I suppose I could just have a second chain, and swap that out when I swap
> the rear wheel, but it would be nice to have a wheel that just slots in
> without further effort required.
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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Jeremy Till]

Me too.  I had the Bosco Bullmoose on my QB but took them off...just too 
much rise for the already tall front end, and had discovered that 
(standard) boscos worked better with my Trucker anyways.  Since then I've 
tried a number of bar configurations on the QB but nothing really gelled. 
 This thing looks awesome...everything I loved about the Bosco Bullmoose 
but in lower rise.  As long as the width is sufficient (at least 58cm, 
please!), I'll be the first in line for the new bar after-market.  

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 4:56:40 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I *love* the bars. Very cool looking, and in that "reach straight back at 
> you" shape which seems to be the only one I can ride more than 5 miles. The 
> fork crown is pretty sweet, too. I love the bike..we'll see about the 
> color. I'm not a big fan of Sam Blue, but the Clem Blue is awesome. I'm in 
> no position to fork over 2100 bucks right now, so I won't be one of the 
> early-adopter trusting people; I look forward to seeing them next year.
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA. 
>
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 3:47:46 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
>> cool.  looks like a fun bike, and a good deal.  not sure how i feel about 
>> the new bars yet.  if i didnt have a sam and a bunch of parts lying around, 
>> i'd be all over this. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Eric Norris]

Kevin:

It’s probably not the cause of your issues, but I’ve found that large tires (I 
run 42mm Grand Bois on my Bleriot) suffer from reduced side-to-side stability, 
particularly at lower pressures. Larger tires with supple casings and low 
pressures allow the rim to move from side to side with respect to the contact 
patch, which makes the bike feel less stable.

More than once, I’ve looked down at my rear tire to see if the “squirmy” 
feeling was being caused by a slow leak, only to confirm that the tire was OK. 
In fact, I spent the better part of Day One of PBP thinking that the 28mm 
“supple” rear tire was going flat (it wasn’t).

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> On Oct 29, 2015, at 9:35 AM, Kevin Lindsey  wrote:
> 
> Not a silly question at all, but, no, the tire pressure is fine.  I had 
> pumped it up to 60psi - my normal pressure - just that morning before heading 
> out.
> It had occurred to me, too, that the frame might be cracked, but a quick 
> glance around didn't reveal anything unusual.  However, I'm planning to stay 
> off of it until I can localize the problem; not only do I not want to risk 
> making the issue worse, but the Bleriot's instability - slight though it was 
> - on a steep downhill portion of my ride home was a bit hairy.
> Kevin
> 
> On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 12:53:23 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
> This is probably a silly question, but does the front tire have enough air? 
> What you're describing sounds like a tire flopping back and forth on the rim. 
> Low tire pressure - especially on a big-ish tire - can still look rideable 
> until it's almost completely flat.
> 
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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Braxton Colagross]

They might credit you to have Rich build a set. And even if not, the $400 
off will cover one of their in-stock Velocity-built SP dyno wheels.

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 7:44:33 AM UTC-7, Lynne Cooney wrote:
>
> For me a dynamo hub is non negotiable, so that rules out most complete 
> bikes. 

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[iamkeith]

This is my *dream* handlebar too!!  Basically a similar function to a 
moustache bar, but with the primary hand position (the one with access to 
the brake levers) being the closer, more upright one.  That's where I need 
the brakes, because that's where my hands are when I'm riding slow or in 
town or in stop-and-go situations.  The lower/aero/tuck position doesn't 
need brakes nearly as often, the way I use it - on the open road.

I tried a Civia Aldrich bar which was "sort" of similar and came in 
different widths and different splay angles, but all were too narrow and 
too small in the grip area:

http://www.cambriabike.com/Civia-Aldrich-Cruiser-MultiPosition-Handlebars-ALDRICHBAR70DEGSIL.asp

Nitto makes a similar shape too, but they're even narrower: 

https://www.benscycle.com/p-1277-nitto-promenade-b601-aluminum-handlebars.aspx

The problem is that widening any bar with this shape, or making the grips 
longer, just adds leverage and makes it easier to inadvertently rotate it 
in the stem clamp.  ( I have had that problem with my non-bullmoose bosco, 
even with a good quality stem.) These new bars, with the bull-moose stem, 
seem to solve both problems.  Nice amount of rise, too!  I prefer to get 
low by stretching out further - not by contorting my back and reaching down 
to the bars.

I too hope these are available aftermarket/individually, and SOON!


On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 9:25:42 AM UTC-6, Jeremy Till wrote:

> Me too.  I had the Bosco Bullmoose on my QB but took them off...just too 
> much rise for the already tall front end, and had discovered that 
> (standard) boscos worked better with my Trucker anyways.  Since then I've 
> tried a number of bar configurations on the QB but nothing really gelled. 
>  This thing looks awesome...everything I loved about the Bosco Bullmoose 
> but in lower rise.  As long as the width is sufficient (at least 58cm, 
> please!), I'll be the first in line for the new bar after-market.  
>
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 4:56:40 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I *love* the bars. Very cool looking, and in that "reach straight back 
>> at you" shape which seems to be the only one I can ride more than 5 
>> miles. The fork crown is pretty sweet, too. I love the bike..we'll see 
>> about the color. I'm not a big fan of Sam Blue, but the Clem Blue is 
>> awesome. I'm in no position to fork over 2100 bucks right now, so I won't 
>> be one of the early-adopter trusting people; I look forward to seeing them 
>> next year.
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>> Vallejo, CA. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 3:47:46 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>>
>>> cool.  looks like a fun bike, and a good deal.  not sure how i feel 
>>> about the new bars yet.  if i didnt have a sam and a bunch of parts lying 
>>> around, i'd be all over this. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] For Sale Rohloff-Veloctiy Chukker-DT wheel built by RBW's Rich Lesnick

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

This is a 559/26 inch wheel. There is detailed information attached to each 
photo here 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/albums/72157658172531243  
Price is $1000 shipped to the CONUS.

I bought this wheel from a list member for the same price. It did not work 
in my AllRounder frame with 132mm rear spacing, so I have not ridden it. I 
bought new cables and housing, new cable clips (for routing along frame 
tubes), and cable guides via the brake boss (it already had cable guides 
via the chainstay). I have printed out the owner's manual and mounting 
instructions. I believe I have everything you would need to mount this hub 
on any rim braked, 135mm spaced bike. There is some beausage, light 
scratches on the rim. The wheel is tight and true. 

Please contact me off list.
Thanks. 
Joe in western Colorado

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Kevin Lindsey]

Not a silly question at all, but, no, the tire pressure is fine.  I had 
pumped it up to 60psi - my normal pressure - just that morning before 
heading out.
It had occurred to me, too, that the frame might be cracked, but a quick 
glance around didn't reveal anything unusual.  However, I'm planning to 
stay off of it until I can localize the problem; not only do I not want to 
risk making the issue worse, but the Bleriot's instability - slight though 
it was - on a steep downhill portion of my ride home was a bit hairy.
Kevin

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 12:53:23 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> This is probably a silly question, but does the front tire have enough 
> air? What you're describing sounds like a tire flopping back and forth on 
> the rim. Low tire pressure - especially on a big-ish tire - can still look 
> rideable until it's almost completely flat. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[Zed Martinez]

If you haven't encountered rinko before, it's a pretty cool thing. Doubt 
it'll ever be quite so useful in the US, but heck, I had still planned to 
upgrade to a rinko headset on my Clem anyway, so this was perfect. The 
basic idea is to make a bike that can quickly be broken down to fit in a 
special bag to carry on the trains. The headset uses semi-sealed bearings 
so you can take the whole fork out for that process without losing them or 
having to spend forever at the end readjusting it. There's a lot about it 
online, but a decent overview of the practice if not this specific style of 
headset is this one from 
BQ: http://www.bikequarterly.com/images/BQ_rinko.pdf

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 12:16:02 PM UTC-4, BSWP wrote:
>
> Thanks, Bill. I guess everybody in the biz must know that about the Rinko 
> headsets! Sounds like a good innovation, to use cartridge bearings, and I 
> guess it's fair to assume they're pre-greased.
>
> - Andrew "why am I always the last to know?", Berkeley
>
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 2:43:04 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Those rinko headsets have a cartridge bearing that is sitting inside the 
>> cups, similar, but not identical to Shimano.  With Shimanos, the cartridge 
>> falls right out.  With 'normal' ball bearing headsets there's a ring with 
>> ball bearings that you slather with grease and install.  The headset on 
>> your Clem will have the cartridge bearings in there already.  That's why 
>> there seemed to be a missing step.  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 1:49:19 PM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:
>>>
>>> I noticed the same thing.  The bearing install was definitely skipped 
>>> over.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 4:19:09 PM UTC-4, BSWP wrote:

 Hmmm... watching the video, I wonder, how did the fork bearings get in 
 there? They came already packed in grease, in the cups, in the frame?

 - Andrew, Berkeley

>
>

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[RBW] Re: wtb cheviot 55 oj

[Philip Kim]

forgot to mention frameset, as i know bruce is selling his cheviot as a 
complete. someone buy that!

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 10:55:02 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> those seem like nice colors. i can wait for those, unless someone has one 
> they want to let go of sometime between then.
>
> On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 10:38:13 AM UTC-4, Lynne Cooney wrote:
>>
>> Riv doesn't have any and according to Rivelo, the next batch will be 
>> green and silver, no orange. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Kevin Lindsey]

Eric -
I checked both tires' pressure, thinking maybe the problem was linked to 
them, but nada.  I've had these tires at these pressures for a couple of 
thousand miles now, and know their feel pretty well; this was definitely 
something different.  
If it helps at all, I lowered the handlebars about a half inch the night 
before.  I can't see where that would have an effect on the handling, but 
bike balance can be a touchy thing, and I suppose it's possible that the 
slight change in center of gravity or handling might have made a difference.
Kevin

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 12:56:42 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Kevin:
>
> It’s probably not the cause of your issues, but I’ve found that large 
> tires (I run 42mm Grand Bois on my Bleriot) suffer from reduced 
> side-to-side stability, particularly at lower pressures. Larger tires with 
> supple casings and low pressures allow the rim to move from side to side 
> with respect to the contact patch, which makes the bike feel less stable.
>
> More than once, I’ve looked down at my rear tire to see if the “squirmy” 
> feeling was being caused by a slow leak, only to confirm that the tire was 
> OK. In fact, I spent the better part of Day One of PBP thinking that the 
> 28mm “supple” rear tire was going flat (it wasn’t).
>
> --Eric N
> campyo...@me.com 
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
> @Campyonlyguy
>
>
> On Oct 29, 2015, at 9:35 AM, Kevin Lindsey  > wrote:
>
> Not a silly question at all, but, no, the tire pressure is fine.  I had 
> pumped it up to 60psi - my normal pressure - just that morning before 
> heading out.
> It had occurred to me, too, that the frame might be cracked, but a quick 
> glance around didn't reveal anything unusual.  However, I'm planning to 
> stay off of it until I can localize the problem; not only do I not want to 
> risk making the issue worse, but the Bleriot's instability - slight though 
> it was - on a steep downhill portion of my ride home was a bit hairy.
> Kevin
>
> On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 12:53:23 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> This is probably a silly question, but does the front tire have enough 
>> air? What you're describing sounds like a tire flopping back and forth on 
>> the rim. Low tire pressure - especially on a big-ish tire - can still look 
>> rideable until it's almost completely flat. 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Shoji Takahashi]

Pics of the Appaloosa on the Blug are terrific. I'm looking forward to the 
pics of the new fork crown built up. (BTW-- looks like the "fix" to the 
fork crown was to eliminate the windows facing the midline. 
see 
http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/123735570644/more-on-the-crown-in-the-post-below-this-ungrant)

Question:
What are group members' thoughts on how Appaloosa compares to Cheviot, the 
first mainstream available long-chainstay Riv? 

Having a Hunqapillar and AHH in the stable, it seems like Appaloosa might 
be too much overlap. The Cheviot is distinctly different as a mixte, and 
bonus has the long stays. But the presale price, fork crown, head badge, 
choco-moose bars... that's a tough bike to love (or was that another bike?) 
:)

Thanks for your opinions,
shoji



On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 10:13:56 AM UTC-4, Jeffrey Marco wrote:
>
> Really liking the look of this bike, It's got me considering selling my 
> Atlantis, but I certainly don't want the stock build. I would likely 
> transfer all the parts from my Atlantis to a Japaloosa. The bar looks like 
> it would be stiff and comfortable but it's ugly as hell...
>
>
> Hmmm... decisions, decisions
>
>  "but it seems the joe could be set up as a drop bar fast tourer."
> did you notice the length of the top tube? this frame has upright, swept 
> back bars written all over it. my 2 cents.
>
> On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 12:46:30 PM UTC-4, Matt R wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Just wondering if anyone has insider knowledge about the Joe Appaloosa 
>> geometry? The last Riv email described it as a cross between a Hunq and 
>> Atlantis, which sounds like my dream bike, but the recent Web Special 
>> proto-Appaloosas appeared to be geometrically identical to Sam H, the only 
>> obvious differences being larger tire clearances and canti posts. If it's 
>> truly somewhere between Hunq and Atlantis, I'm gonna start saving my 
>> pennies now. Any insights would be greatly appreciated, sounds like it will 
>> be a wonderful bike!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Matt in Tucson
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Steve Palincsar]

Have you serviced the headset yet?

On 10/29/2015 12:35 PM, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
Not a silly question at all, but, no, the tire pressure is fine.  I 
had pumped it up to 60psi - my normal pressure - just that morning 
before heading out.
It had occurred to me, too, that the frame might be cracked, but a 
quick glance around didn't reveal anything unusual.  However, I'm 
planning to stay off of it until I can localize the problem; not only 
do I not want to risk making the issue worse, but the Bleriot's 
instability - slight though it was - on a steep downhill portion of my 
ride home was a bit hairy.

Kevin

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 12:53:23 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:

This is probably a silly question, but does the front tire have
enough air? What you're describing sounds like a tire flopping
back and forth on the rim. Low tire pressure - especially on a
big-ish tire - can still look rideable until it's almost
completely flat. 





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[RBW] Re: FS: nitto big back rack lg.

[drew]

price drop- 170$ shipped

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B17 Saddles. 26" Wheelset, Tektro CR-720 Canti Brakeset

[David Banzer]

Black Brooks B17 saddle still available. $100 shipped.
Thanks,
David
Chicago

On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 11:31:43 AM UTC-5, David Banzer wrote:
>
> I bought 2 saddles to see which color would go nicely with forthcoming 
> Clem frameset. Decided that Clem will overlap with a bike I already have, 
> so I'm just moving certain parts over that I can, leaving some parts 
> unneeded.
>
> Paypal Personal on these please.
> Contact me offlist if you can please.
>
> 1. Brooks B17 Saddle - black, new - $100 shipped
>
> 2. Brooks B17 Saddle - honey, new - $100 shipped
>
> 3. Tektro CR-720 Cantilever Brakeset, silver satin, includes Tektro 
> refillable road brake pads - $30 shipped
>
> 4. 26" Wheelset/Tires - Shimano Sora black hubs (8/9/10 rear freehub), 36 
> holes, Sapim double-butted spokes, Alex DM18 rims (drilled for Schrader, 
> will include Presta adapters if you'd like them), 130mm rear spacing (I can 
> respace this to 135mm if you'd like) - $120 plus shipping
>
> Thanks,
> David
> Chicago
>

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Bill Lindsay]

I think Shoji's Hunqapillar and the Joe Appaloosa have a lot of overlap. 
 The Appaloosa would be awesome for me because I sold my Bombadil to 
finance a Mountain Bike, and because I don't own a Hunqapillar.  

Comparing the Cheviut to the Appaloosa, I slightly prefer 
cantilever/V-brakes for huge tires.  
Comparing my 58 Atlantis to the Appaloosa, one of the only tiny gripes I 
have with my Atlantis is TCO (toe-clip-overlap).  Grant never used to use 
"front center" measurements in his geo-charts, but with swept back bars and 
long stays, you can stretch the top tube way out and get a longer front 
center, and eliminate TCO.  Some will then hate that they can't run drop 
bars on these bikes, because the top tube is too long.  I'm going to 
measure the front center on my Atlantis, and compare it to the 627.4mm of a 
58 Appaloosa.  No TCO would be a draw.  Low-trail bikes eliminate TCO with 
650B wheels and/or a ton of fork rake.  




On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 12:54:29 PM UTC-7, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
> Pics of the Appaloosa on the Blug are terrific. I'm looking forward to the 
> pics of the new fork crown built up. (BTW-- looks like the "fix" to the 
> fork crown was to eliminate the windows facing the midline. see 
> http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/123735570644/more-on-the-crown-in-the-post-below-this-ungrant
> )
>
> Question:
> What are group members' thoughts on how Appaloosa compares to Cheviot, the 
> first mainstream available long-chainstay Riv? 
>
> Having a Hunqapillar and AHH in the stable, it seems like Appaloosa might 
> be too much overlap. The Cheviot is distinctly different as a mixte, and 
> bonus has the long stays. But the presale price, fork crown, head badge, 
> choco-moose bars... that's a tough bike to love (or was that another bike?) 
> :)
>
> Thanks for your opinions,
> shoji
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 10:13:56 AM UTC-4, Jeffrey Marco wrote:
>>
>> Really liking the look of this bike, It's got me considering selling my 
>> Atlantis, but I certainly don't want the stock build. I would likely 
>> transfer all the parts from my Atlantis to a Japaloosa. The bar looks like 
>> it would be stiff and comfortable but it's ugly as hell...
>>
>>
>> Hmmm... decisions, decisions
>>
>>  "but it seems the joe could be set up as a drop bar fast tourer."
>> did you notice the length of the top tube? this frame has upright, swept 
>> back bars written all over it. my 2 cents.
>>
>> On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 12:46:30 PM UTC-4, Matt R wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Just wondering if anyone has insider knowledge about the Joe Appaloosa 
>>> geometry? The last Riv email described it as a cross between a Hunq and 
>>> Atlantis, which sounds like my dream bike, but the recent Web Special 
>>> proto-Appaloosas appeared to be geometrically identical to Sam H, the only 
>>> obvious differences being larger tire clearances and canti posts. If it's 
>>> truly somewhere between Hunq and Atlantis, I'm gonna start saving my 
>>> pennies now. Any insights would be greatly appreciated, sounds like it will 
>>> be a wonderful bike!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Matt in Tucson
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[James Warren]

These are exactly my questions as well. I'm pretty set on what I have. Hunq (Bosco with 14 cm Ritchey stem, big dirt tires), Hillborne (classic Albatross, Barlow Pass fasties), and Atlantis (classic Albatross, 50 mm tires and fenders) trade off almost all of the duties on my favorite riding. (The drop bar bikes are seeing less time as well as the dedicated mountain bike.) I don't see the Appaloosa adding much beyond what these three amazing bikes already offer, but I am curious enough to comment about the longer chainstays:While I've had many extended periods of fun on the Atlantis in touring mode with drop bars and its 45.5 cm chainstays, I don't think I would consider putting drop bars on a bike with 53.5 mm chainstays like the Joe Appaloosa. I buy the argument that the super long chainstay design is best suited to bikes with upright bars like the Bosco and Albatross, because these bars shift the center of mass (of the rider/bike system) rearward. This makes me think of it as a bike that is different from the Atlantis and Hillborne in a fairly substantial way. I'd go back to drop bars on those, but not on a Joe Appaloosa. (The numbers above refer to my Atantis, which was made before they lengthened the chainstays a couple years ago. They used to be 45.5 cm in my size, and now they are 47 cm.)Superficial Sidenote: I love the Hillborne blue, but I pictured the Joe Appaloosa as a dark red frame. For some reason, that's the color it's supposed to be in my mind. I don't know why.-Jim W.-Original Message-
From: Shoji Takahashi 
 Having a Hunqapillar and AHH in the stable, it seems like Appaloosa might be too much overlap. The Cheviot is distinctly different as a mixte, and bonus has the long stays. But the presale price, fork crown, head badge, choco-moose bars... that's a tough bike to love (or was that another bike?) :)








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[RBW] Pineapple Bob (Robert Kurosawa) in Velominati

[Paul G]

Velominati, a website and rule book, isn't the sort of reading that many 
Rivendell riders peruse. If you don't know what it is, it's basically a 
satirical list of cycling Rules, DO's and DON'Ts with the ideal being road 
racing from the distant and recent past. In almost all ways, it's 
diametrically opposed to Grant's *Just Ride*.

Despite all that, Riv staff member, Robert Kurosawa, A.K.A. Pineapple Bob 
in old Bridgestone catalogs from the Grant era, was featured in a 
Velominati post!

Amusing!

http://www.velominati.com/look-pro/on-looking-fantastic/

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[RBW] Re: Tail wind, head wind

[Ryan Fleming]

True that...that has happened to me too

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 6:41:09 PM UTC-5, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> I'd rather have a tailwind on the way out.  I more often than not find the 
> headwind I fought on the way out didn't turn into a tailwind for the return.
>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[iamkeith]

Comparing it to the Hunqapillar and Atlantis,  the most interesting thing 
about the Appaloosa geometry to me is that it appears to be intended for 
use with a smaller maximum tire size.  Perhaps this suggests that it 
is slated to be even more of a touring-specific bike, than the jack-of-many 
trades bike that the other two are?  The Hunqapillar says 60mm (2.4") max, 
while the Atlantis and Appaloosa both say 55mm (2") max.  We know, of 
course that people successfully run 2.5" even on the Atlantis - but it 
shares the same, huge, 80mm bottom bracket drop that the Hunqapillar has 
(or vice versa).The drop on the Appaloosa, on the other hand, is 2 to 3 
cm less, so it sits  higher.  

So even if you could squeeze a bigger-than-rated tire in there, it's going 
to raise the center of gravity and the top tube as well.  As a 
mountain bike, this might actually be better, but the sizing would 
effectively run a little larger.  As a touring bike, a taller tire would 
seem to reduce stability - but maybe the longer chainstays compensate?  

Either way, it seems to be a bit of a departure from existing Rivendell 
philosophy, where even the recent Clem has the same drop as the Atlantis 
and Hunqapillar.  Kind of curious too, given the fact that  most of us tend 
to try to squeeze in the biggest tire we can fit, and that fatter tires are 
becoming available regularly.

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[RBW] Re: wtb cheviot 55 oj

[Leslie]

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/ayItN3WvLbs
 


On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 8:47:09 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
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> Looking to see if anyone has a cheviot 55cm they wanted to part with. Will 
> probably call Riv in a couple of days if nothing turns up.
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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[iamkeith]

Comparing it to the Hunqapillar and Atlantis,  the most interesting thing 
about the Appaloosa geometry to me is that it appears to be intended for 
use with a smaller maximum tire size.  Perhaps this suggests that it 
is slated to be even more of a touring-specific bike, than the jack-of-many 
trades bike that the other two are?  The Hunqapillar says 60mm (2.4") max, 
while the Atlantis and Appaloosa both say 55mm (2") max.  We know, of 
course that people successfully run 2.5" even on the Atlantis - but it 
shares the same, huge, 80mm bottom bracket drop that the Hunqapillar has 
(or vice versa).The drop on the Appaloosa, on the other hand, is 2 to 3 
mm less, so it sits  higher.  

So even if you could squeeze a bigger-than-rated tire in there, it's going 
to raise the center of gravity and the top tube as well.  As a 
mountain bike, this might actually be better, but the sizing would 
effectively run a little larger.  As a touring bike, a higher center of 
gravity would seem to reduce stability - but maybe the longer chainstays 
compensate?   Or maybe 3mm is not enough to be noticeable, and my thinking 
is exactly opposite of correct, and it would be even MORE of a 
jack-of-all-trades.

Either way, it seems to be a bit of a departure from existing Rivendell 
philosophy, where even the recent Clem has the same drop as the Atlantis 
and Hunqapillar.  Tire size listed is kind of curious too, given the fact 
that  most of us tend to try to squeeze in the biggest tire we can fit, and 
that fatter tires are becoming available regularly.   I would have expected 
the beautiful new crown to take an even wider tire.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[James Warren]

The drop being 77 mm as opposed to  80 mm is puzzling to me.

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> On Oct 29, 2015, at 5:24 PM, iamkeith  wrote:
> 
> Comparing it to the Hunqapillar and Atlantis,  the most interesting thing 
> about the Appaloosa geometry to me is that it appears to be intended for use 
> with a smaller maximum tire size.  Perhaps this suggests that it is slated to 
> be even more of a touring-specific bike, than the jack-of-many trades bike 
> that the other two are?  The Hunqapillar says 60mm (2.4") max, while the 
> Atlantis and Appaloosa both say 55mm (2") max.  We know, of course that 
> people successfully run 2.5" even on the Atlantis - but it shares the same, 
> huge, 80mm bottom bracket drop that the Hunqapillar has (or vice versa).
> The drop on the Appaloosa, on the other hand, is 2 to 3 cm less, so it sits  
> higher. 
> 
> So even if you could squeeze a bigger-than-rated tire in there, it's going to 
> raise the center of gravity and the top tube as well.  As a mountain bike, 
> this might actually be better, but the sizing would effectively run a little 
> larger.  As a touring bike, a taller tire would seem to reduce stability - 
> but maybe the longer chainstays compensate? 
> 
> Either way, it seems to be a bit of a departure from existing Rivendell 
> philosophy, where even the recent Clem has the same drop as the Atlantis and 
> Hunqapillar.  Kind of curious too, given the fact that  most of us tend to 
> try to squeeze in the biggest tire we can fit, and that fatter tires are 
> becoming available regularly.
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[RBW] Pineapple Bob (Robert Kurosawa) in Velominati

[Joe Bernard]

Now you see why Robert was a catalogue model ;)

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Re: [RBW] Pineapple Bob (Robert Kurosawa) in Velominati

[Patrick Moore]

But wasn't it Grant who came up with the slogan/ideology/chant: "Slam dat
stem!!"?

Patrick Moore, who very much likes the site's self-parodying but
retro-conscious schtick. (And who wishes he still had his uber cool Teve
Blad team jersey -- even cooler than his erstwhile La Vie Claire one.)

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Paul G  wrote:

> Velominati, a website and rule book, isn't the sort of reading that many
> Rivendell riders peruse. If you don't know what it is, it's basically a
> satirical list of cycling Rules, DO's and DON'Ts with the ideal being road
> racing from the distant and recent past. In almost all ways, it's
> diametrically opposed to Grant's *Just Ride*.
>
> Despite all that, Riv staff member, Robert Kurosawa, A.K.A. Pineapple Bob
> in old Bridgestone catalogs from the Grant era, was featured in a
> Velominati post!
>
> Amusing!
>
> http://www.velominati.com/look-pro/on-looking-fantastic/
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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Steve Palincsar]

On 10/29/2015 12:07 AM, Wayne Naha wrote:
No regrets here.  But that doesn't mean that I wouldn't love to have a 
Joe alongside my Clem.  It just that when my wife and I were 
discussing my Clem purchase she asked, "Is this the last bike you are 
going to buy _during our marriage_?"  It's a little soon to try and 
weasel out of that one.




There's only one thing to say, and Nancy Reagan said it a long time 
ago:  "Just say no."



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[RBW] Re: Rohloff IGH Questions

[ctbiker]

I’ll jump into the Rohloff discussion with a few of my data points:


I have two Dean bikes with Rohloffs, a mtb and a randonneur. My mtb is a 
29er and weighs 36# with dual suspension and S couplers while my rando 
weighs 31# with fenders over 32mm tires, dyno hub, S couplers and f/r 
lights. 


As has been mentioned, the Rohloff hub has a 526% overall range of gears, 
which means gear #14 is 5.26 times greater than gear #1. The hub gearing 
has 14 equally spaced gears of about 13% gain/loss between shifts. Gear # 
11 is the straight, unaltered gear with all others mechanically geared up 
or down. Gearing depends on wheel size, front chainring and rear cog. 


I just finished an offroad tour in Utah with Adventure Cycling and was very 
happy with the performance of my Rohloff. My mtb gearing is at the highest 
ratio Rohloff recommends with its 17 tooth rear cog with 32 tooth 
chainring. That’s 15 gear inches, equivalent to a derailleured bike with 
22t chainring and 42t rear cog.  If I understand it correctly, Rohloff 
claims using a smaller chainring or larger rear cog would overstrain the 
hub.


My Dean Randonneur came with 48t chainring and 16t cog. That gave a gear 
range of about 23 to 119 gear inches. That’s too high for me so I changed 
to a 39t chainring giving me18 to 96 gear inches. I rode this bike on my 
End-to-End in (very) hilly UK and loved its low end. I couldn’t keep up 
with my fellow riders in most places, but I often beat them up long, steep 
hills. 


As far as riding with a Rohloff, my experience is that it’s great if you’re 
riding with slower riders or by yourself but, if fellow riders are equally 
strong and on light bikes, you’ll soon be off the back or straining to keep 
pace.


Rohloff claims a 1000km break-in period, after which shifting effort and 
noise should be reduced.


For some Rohloff pros/cons from an expert, see 
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/rohloff-impressions.html


It’s been reported that Rohloffs never break down. Sarah Outen is presently 
finishing her round-the-earth human powered journey. She has biked, kayaked 
and rowed her way for over 25,000 miles. She chose a Rohloff for its 
reputed robustness but ”…we noticed that the phlange of the Rohloff hub 
(the centre barrell of the wheel which houses the gearing mechanism) had 
cracked in two places and would be causing bigger issues in time. 
...Hercules (her name for her bike), [after being worked on by a 
professional mechanic] is [now] doing well and his rear wheel should last 
until we reach Winnipeg and meet up with the replacement Rohloff hub, 
kindly provided by Santos bikes in the Netherlands." So they DO break.


During my End-to-End my shifter cable started disintegrating rapidly. It 
jammed the twist shifter. I was able to jury rig another cable but it was 
not optimum. I’d recommend for anyone traveling away from expert wrenching 
to replace their own cables before starting. Not only would you know you 
had good cables but you’d also learn the intricacies of the unintuitive 
cabling scenario.


Ray

Lisbon, CT

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[El Sapo]

Yea, I'd really like to have that Joe. It's a great looking bike and I 
really like those handlebars. It's also a great price.

I don't think it's the Clem owners who should have any regrets, it's the 
Bomba and Hunq owners. That Joe is about half their price? This Joe 
could have an impact on the Riv resale market. I was convinced a Clem was 
better than my 80's mountain bikes, (IT"S WAY BETTER), now couldn't a brand 
new Joe be better than a used Hunq, or Bomba?  

 
On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 8:35:10 PM UTC-7, Tim Wood wrote:

> Any Clem buyers regretting their decision? I'm waiting for my 59 Clem but 
> the 58 Joe seems appealing. A lot of the same positive features (long chain 
> stays, tire clearance, high bars, load carrying capacity), but it seems the 
> joe could be set up as a drop bar fast tourer. I feel like the Clem 
> geometries prevent it from being a go fast or drop bar bike, but that being 
> said I haven't even ridden it yet. The joe is obviously in a different 
> price bracket and I don't see the purpose of owning both one day due to 
> their similarities. I'm just going to love my Clem and have fun riding it, 
> that hasn't changed.

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[RBW] Re: Clementine tire size?

[El Sapo]

The small Clementine that my wife has came with 26x2.1 Kendra tires. My 
medium Clem came with 650B x 1.75 Kendra tires

On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 8:23:26 PM UTC-7, Reid wrote:
>
> OK, I see that the max tire size on the chart is 60. Does anyone know what 
> size the bikes will have as delivered?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Reid
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RE: [RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[El Sapo]

That should be a great looking bike. Tape or grips for the handlebars?

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[RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[El Sapo]

Mark, my PBH is 86. I ride 23" mountain bikes. I prefer riding a larger bike. 
The downside being That they have a 180 crank. I did the Sheldon Brown crank 
calc once and it came up 172.5. I think that's what is on my medium Clem. So I 
set the seat at 28" like my other bikes, and that was too low. Moved it up and 
that somehow lowered me into the bike. I've had a custom fit bike, and I'd 
totally forgotten how that felt until I got this one dialed in. It's my first 
new bike in 30 years. I think it's going to be a classic. I can't wait to see 
some pictures, better pictures, my photography is weak.

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[RBW] WTT- 175mm Sugino XD2 crank for 170mm XD2

[Brad]

I have a moderately worn 175mm Sugino XD2 triple crank that I'd love to 
trade for your similar 170mm triple.
Contact me off list if you're up for a trade!

Brad

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Zach Duval]

Ooh, can a Hunqa fit a 2.5" tire?

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[RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Hey Tim,

I do have some more Clem photos; I hope to put them up on my Flickr soon.

Bob

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 11:41:17 PM UTC-4, Tim Wood wrote:
>
> Look at that grey!! Can't wait. I'm sure I'm biased but the 59 Clem's look 
> proportionately just right. Do you have any more Clem photos from your 
> visit?

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[RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[Zed Martinez]

Bob, please do! I need something to get me through the long weekend waiting 
on mine. Pictures always help.

On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 10:05:18 PM UTC-4, Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
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> Hey Tim,
>
> I do have some more Clem photos; I hope to put them up on my Flickr soon.
>
> Bob
>
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 11:41:17 PM UTC-4, Tim Wood wrote:
>>
>> Look at that grey!! Can't wait. I'm sure I'm biased but the 59 Clem's 
>> look proportionately just right. Do you have any more Clem photos from your 
>> visit?
>
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[RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[Tim Wood]

Thanks Bob!  Lemme know when they are up and a link to your Flickr account. 
Cheers. 

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