RE: [RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread Frederick, Steve
There's a simple matter of finite capital, as well. Riv is always struggling with lack of capital when trying to bring products to market. I'd imagine they have to be pretty selective about what sorts of products they'll focus on, and I don't see a budget frame that fails to meet their

[RBW] Re: Old pictures of First bike Tour.

2009-12-11 Thread Todd Olsen
agree. this is my favorite of the bunch. http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/4151571977/sizes/l/in/set-72157622918085240/ todd olsen On Dec 10, 8:44 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Manny: Great story.  I love the pix of loading the bikes to take stuff back to the car -

[RBW] Re: Tips for best methods w. applying Ressurectio Decals?

2009-12-11 Thread Todd Olsen
i have applied a very large decal to the side of a boat, looked good for at least 3 years. also, have stuck some large adhesive patches on Radio Control airplane wings. I used 409. Just sprayed it on, put on the decal. as long as the 409 was there, the decal could be moved around. then the

[RBW] FS: Update

2009-12-11 Thread PATRICK MOORE
HP Mini, SOMA clips, Roadie frame pump sold. Old-type XT (I think it's XT; it's certainly XT quality) 122.5 cup and cone bb bearing assembly, new, no package, $30 shipped. Pair Gaerne crabon fibre road shoes, well used but still very usable for someone who wears a 44/10, WITH pair of Look Delta

Re: [RBW] Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread PATRICK MOORE
From past remarks I expect that this will never fly, but in my own opinion, the essential qualities of a Riv are the frame design and, thus, fit and handling, and these are perfectly compatible with a cheaper, tigg'd frame for, say, the commuter markets. On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:38 PM, eflayer

RE: [RBW] Re: Fenders on Bombadil for off-road and mountain biking...

2009-12-11 Thread Frederick, Steve
There's also the length issue. Most metal fenders wrap lower behind the front wheel which is good for coverage but bad for clearance over trail obstacles. With shorter plastic fenders, you can extend them with a flexible mud flap that won't get caught on roots, rocks or logs. (the holy

[RBW] Re: AT 0154

2009-12-11 Thread frank_a
Ryan, Glad you like it, but I told you so My sweet spot for the 26 wheeled Atlantis was the 2.1 Continental Town and Country tire with Albatross bars and a Brooks B-72. For you ~ the fun has just begun. - Frank On Dec 11, 1:13 am, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: The (unloaded)

[RBW] Re: Fenders on Bombadil for off-road and mountain biking...

2009-12-11 Thread Tom M
Soma makes EuroTrip fenders that are 60 mm wide. What's nice about the Somas is that the stays are designed to pull away from the mount should something become wedged between the tire and fender. To me, the mounting is cleaner than what PB uses. I have a set of the road versions on my single

Re: [RBW] Fenders on Bombadil for off-road and mountain biking...

2009-12-11 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Using 60 mm fenders with 42 mm tires will perform fine and look only a bit off -- I use 45 mms with 22 mm tires on my Riv commuter (22 mm tires because they are the only size I can find in 559 that have top of line casings; these are old stock Spec Turbos). What you have to worry about is

Re: [RBW] New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Grant: please make the Atlantis replacement with enough tire clearance for 60s plus fenders. Horizontals would be nice, but I won't insist. On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: From yesterday's blog posting: We're working on two new bikes. The SimpleOne is

Re: [RBW] New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 08:06 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: Grant: please make the Atlantis replacement with enough tire clearance for 60s plus fenders. Horizontals would be nice, but I won't insist. Has the Atlantis ever had horizontal dropouts? -- You received this message because you are

Re: [RBW] New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Dunno, but it oughta have done. On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 08:06 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: Grant: please make the Atlantis replacement with enough tire clearance for 60s plus fenders. Horizontals would be nice, but I

[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread eflayer
I am both impressed and dismayed with the degree of commitment to a single point of view. Whatever works works. Thinking there was a time when Grant thought he'd never leave Japan for Taiwan...and that time came. Granted, he is still making gorgeous lugged frames, now with cheaper labor. If

[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread newenglandbike
On Dec 11, 10:06 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Grant: please make the Atlantis replacement with enough tire clearance for 60s plus fenders. Horizontals would be nice, but I won't insist. Horizontal DO's might be good but for tire clearance, at what point would this bike be a

Re: [RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I could live with TCO for a Riv offroader; basically I've been looking for a road bike that will take 65s plus fenders. I've been told onlist that the Bombadil won't take 60s; was I told wrong? -- Not that I expect Riv to design for my particular idiosyncracies, but it *would* be nice for me ...

Re: [RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 07:14 -0800, eflayer wrote: I am both impressed and dismayed with the degree of commitment to a single point of view. Whatever works works. Thinking there was a time when Grant thought he'd never leave Japan for Taiwan...and that time came. Granted, he is still making

RE: [RBW] Re: AT 0154

2009-12-11 Thread Frederick, Steve
The XD has more flare/heel clearance. The arm's are angled outward away from the spindle hole, and thus can be used with a shorter BB spindle. They are also a bit thicker in profile since they are not forged in the same was as the AT's were. The AT is low profile, which means the arms are

Re: [RBW] New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 08:13 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: Dunno, but it oughta have done. On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 08:06 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: Grant: please make the Atlantis replacement with enough

Re: [RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread Bill Connell
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:14 AM, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: I am both impressed and dismayed with the degree of commitment to a single point of view.  Whatever works works.  Thinking there was a time when Grant thought he'd never leave Japan for Taiwan...and that time came.  Granted,

[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread newenglandbike
I think of Taiwan as going through a similar process to what Japan went through in the 80's in terms of bicycle production. Right now they are the seat of bicycle manufacture in the world. That's not surprising as the current exchange from Taiwan Dollars to U.S. Dollars is something like

[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread eflayer
Steve, This is not about me. It is an idea. Please don't take it as an attack on everything you and Riv stand for. Just an idea. Companies can change mission and values if there is a good reason to do so. If part of the mission was to give more people a chance to ride a Grant designed

[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread stevep33
Commitment to core values is just good business sense. This comes down to branding. The Rivendell brand is synonymous with lugged steel bikes. Introducing a TIG bike would create brand drift away from that core value, and that is a bad thing. They would have to offer TIG frames under a separate

Re: [RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 07:44 -0800, eflayer wrote: Steve, This is not about me. It is an idea. Please don't take it as an attack on everything you and Riv stand for. Just an idea. I don't take it as an attack -- certainly not an attack on anything I stand for. If adopted, it is an idea that

RE: [RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread Frederick, Steve
Bill Connell wrote, in part: ...I applaud Grant's stubborn aesthetic sense; he has a cohesive vision for the company, and that strong visual identity is a huge asset... Yeah, I think they'd stand to lose more than they gain if they wander too far from that vision. I recall in an early

[RBW] Vintage Sugino Cranks

2009-12-11 Thread Bruce
Sort of related to the AT vs. XD discussion: I picked up a Sugino GX crankset on eBay last week. The box arrived and the cranks are in beuatiful shape. 53/39 rings on a 130 B.C. This was originally on a Bridgestone RB-1. With the rainy weekend ahead, my shortened riding will be supplemented by

[RBW] Re: Fenders on Bombadil for off-road and mountain biking...

2009-12-11 Thread Dave Craig
Patrick Are you sure that you are writing about the Planet Bike Cascadia fenders here. Other models of PB fenders have what I might consider excessively short front fenders, but not the Cascadias: http://tinyurl.com/y8b82jh Dave On Dec 11, 7:48 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread eflayer
Grant is capable of changing though, isn't he. I think you are all correct and he probably won't consider tig. But as I recall he both never used to mention the weight of bikes, framesets and now look at how he is discussing/selling the lightness of Roadeo. I know the Roadeo fits the lugged

Re: [RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread CycloFiend
on 12/11/09 7:14 AM, eflayer at eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: I am both impressed and dismayed with the degree of commitment to a single point of view. Whatever works works. Thinking there was a time when Grant thought he'd never leave Japan for Taiwan...and that time came. Granted, he is

Re: [RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread CycloFiend
on 12/11/09 8:02 AM, eflayer at eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: Grant is capable of changing though, isn't he. I think you are all correct and he probably won't consider tig. But as I recall he both never used to mention the weight of bikes, framesets and now look at how he is

Re: [RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread Bruce
Grant wrote that his bikes were affordable by people with a job and bicycle priorities. His goal was never to build bikes at every price point. The moves from Waterford (and back again in a limited way) to Toyo to Maxway (I think that is his Taiwanese supplier. They certainly supply many big

[RBW] Bombadil in the Working Bikes Gallery

2009-12-11 Thread CycloFiend
Five sets of updates in five days in the various gallery pages (yep, CX was yesterday, though no Riv's...) Today is Working Bikes, which included the all business Bombadil buildup of Mike Potts - http://www.cyclofiend.com/working/2009/wb121-mpotts1209.html Everyone have a great weekend! - Jim

Re: [RBW] New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread Ray Shine
Don't know if many of you folks have seen this yet, but there is a Bombadil frame set for sale on the Bay with HORIZONTAL drop outs!  Very interesting.

Re: [RBW] Bombadil in the Working Bikes Gallery

2009-12-11 Thread Ray Shine
Nice.  Looks like a stout craft, indeed. --- On Fri, 12/11/09, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: From: CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net Subject: [RBW] Bombadil in the Working Bikes Gallery To: rbw group rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 8:16 AM Five

Re: [RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 08:02 -0800, CycloFiend wrote: I think the inherent flaw is the idea of a gorgeous tig-welded bicycle frame. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with that method of frame building, but they've never struck me as particularly good looking. I have a titanium Santana

[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread eflayer
Steve, well said. -- I am typing now in tiny tiny print...said very quietly in a whisper...Grant could do it best. On Dec 11, 8:29 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 08:02 -0800, CycloFiend wrote: I think the inherent flaw is the idea of a gorgeous

Re: [RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 08:35 -0800, eflayer wrote: Steve, well said. -- I am typing now in tiny tiny print...said very quietly in a whisper...Grant could do it best. In an equally small whisper, when it comes to TIG welded bikes and their design, based on the current track record

[RBW] Repost - Bombadil w/ Horizontal DO's at auction

2009-12-11 Thread CycloFiend
This is repost of Ray's. Thought it deserved a separate thread and I've shortened up the url. Bombadil 60 cm which has had the standard rear dropouts replaced with rearward facing, derailleur-tabbed models. Not mine, don't know seller, yadda-yadda... http://tinyurl.com/y9n9yda Patrick Moore,

[RBW] For Sale

2009-12-11 Thread Cycletex
Hey ya'll. I have a few things I need to get rid of. Shipping prices are in parenthesis and I'll be happy to refigure shipping if anyone buys multiple items. Shoot me a pm if you're interested and I'll send pics to anyone wanting to take a looksie. *68cm Specialized Expedition Frame..$250

Re: [RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread CycloFiend
on 12/11/09 8:29 AM, Steve Palincsar at palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 08:02 -0800, CycloFiend wrote: I think the inherent flaw is the idea of a gorgeous tig-welded bicycle frame. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with that method of frame building, but they've never

[RBW] Re: For Sale

2009-12-11 Thread Cycletex
Oh and I prefer paypal payment. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: Bombadil in the Working Bikes Gallery

2009-12-11 Thread John Aydelotte
Nice! What kind of handlebars are those? And is that an Ahearne rack on the front? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send

Re: [RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread CycloFiend
on 12/11/09 8:29 AM, Steve Palincsar at palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 08:02 -0800, CycloFiend wrote: I think the inherent flaw is the idea of a gorgeous tig-welded bicycle frame. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with that method of frame building, but they've never

[RBW] FS: Inexpensive but powerful LED lights

2009-12-11 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Two of these setups, each $55 shipped CONUS. Fenix L2D WITH 2 2700 mah Duracell NMH AAs AND TwoFish rubber/velcro handlbar mounts. The Fenix puts out a claimed 135 (I've heard 150) lumens on Turbo and, with the Duracells, you get 90 minutes of run time. Other settings: High (~80 lumens), Med and

[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread JoelMatthews
Grant is capable of changing though, isn't he. I think you are all correct and he probably won't consider tig. You need to throw father time in the mix. Grant has gone on record saying Riv ends when he retires. Grant is in his mid-50s. It seems counterintuitive to work a complete reversal

[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread Jim Cloud
With the apparent popularity of the Atlantis frame as the basis of an all-rounder type bicycle, I wonder why Grant doesn't source it domestically. Rivendell still uses Waterford to produce the Rodeo, unless there is a capacity issue it seems that Waterford might also be a good U.S. source for

[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread eflayer
show me a fine tigged bike with Riv geo, Riv aesthetics, threaded fork, tallish headtube, lightweight tubing, cantis, and rack brazeons...in the $700 price range. oh yeah, i've come to appreciate a kickstand mounting plate too. On Dec 11, 9:06 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Grant

[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread eflayer
this is it from Fuji. I just think Grant could do it better as a frameset with some Riv tweaks: http://www.fujibikes.com/LifeStyle/ClassicSeries/Touring.aspx On Dec 11, 9:13 am, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: show me a fine tigged bike with Riv geo, Riv aesthetics, threaded fork, tallish

Re: [RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 08:58 -0800, CycloFiend wrote: The titanium Ibis frames were in that realm. I don't know if the different nature of ti welding processes lends itself to that, or the knowledge that there won't be paint covering the work. Or that they only let the uber-skilled

[RBW] Re: For Sale

2009-12-11 Thread Cycletex
Size info. The SR Seat post is 26.8mm and the Nitto is 27.2mm. VO wheel is 700c. Thanks, Clif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this

[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread JoelMatthews
show me a fine tigged bike with Riv geo, Riv aesthetics, threaded fork, tallish headtube, lightweight tubing, cantis, and rack brazeons...in the $700 price range. oh yeah, i've come to appreciate a kickstand mounting plate too. Aesthetics is another way of saying putting its name on the

[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Is RBW considered an Upscale brand? Do a certain number of people buy a RBW bicycle because it is widely perceived as expensive/exotic/ exclusive? Would a low-cost TIG'ed RBW frameset/bicycle sell well enough in a competitive marketplace to justify alienation of the past/ present/future customers

[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread JoelMatthews
Don't know if many of you folks have seen this yet, but there is a Bombadil frame set for sale on the Bay with HORIZONTAL drop outs! Very interesting. I thought those were called track fork ends. Horizontal dropouts are those such as the Campy 1010 that you find on traditional steel road

[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread JoelMatthews
With the apparent popularity of the Atlantis frame as the basis of an all-rounder type bicycle, I wonder why Grant doesn't source it domestically. That is a good question which has been debated off and on here before. I think Waterford either does not have capacity with everything else it is

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Demographic? --Was LHT tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread Ray Shine
Jim -- Although I have not perceived a snob attitude by Rivvers toward Surly, I will second everything you said about the company and its bikes.  When I am on tour, I see more Surley LHTs tahn just about any other heavy touring machine, and certainly more so than Riv's.  For the money, it's

[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread JoelMatthews
Is RBW considered an Upscale brand? Do a certain number of people buy a RBW bicycle because it is widely perceived as expensive/exotic/ exclusive? Would a low-cost TIG'ed RBW frameset/bicycle sell well enough in a competitive marketplace to justify alienation of the past/ present/future

[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread Mike
While it's sad to see the Atlantis go to sleep, I am excited about this new model. I hope the replacement to the Atlantis keeps the more traditional look of the Atlantis although I think Grant has hinted that it'll have a sloping TT. The Sam Hillbornes were a pretty severe departure in design for

[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread JoelMatthews
just joking a bit...put if you put any more spacers under that threadless headset you could climb up on those bars and then jump on the roof of that house. to each their own on aesthetics. If that were really an issue, Surly could easily adopt one of the several threadless stems custom

Re: [RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread Bill Connell
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:50 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: With the apparent popularity of the Atlantis frame as the basis of an all-rounder type bicycle, I wonder why Grant doesn't source it domestically. That is a good question which has been debated off and on here before.

[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread eflayer
nobody is doing it. that is my whole point...whether or not you think Riv shouldnobody is. On Dec 11, 10:04 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: just joking a bit...put if you put any more spacers under that threadless headset you could climb up on those bars and then jump on

[RBW] Re: Bombadil in the Working Bikes Gallery

2009-12-11 Thread manueljohnacosta
Thanks Jim. Appreciate the work you put in the website! On Dec 11, 8:55 am, John Aydelotte j.m.aydelo...@gmail.com wrote: Nice!  What kind of handlebars are those? And is that an Ahearne rack on the front? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW

Re: [RBW] New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: I believe the answers are no, and why ever would you wish that on a bike? You want a nice fixed/single speed? There's a Surly for that... No, Steve, I want a horizontal dropout Rivendell ss that can accept 65 mm tires

[RBW] Re: Old pictures of First bike Tour.

2009-12-11 Thread manueljohnacosta
Thanks for the kind words. The plan for this year is to make it all the way down to LA. Same trip more friends. More organized sag wagons. Thing is most of my friends are at the moment in their lives where they must go through the task of finding a job. So we'll see if we get a good group to head

[RBW] Our New Bike Catalog Is On The Site

2009-12-11 Thread John Bennett
a sneak preview can be found by following this to a PDF http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/174 Cheers, John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To

[RBW] Re: Tips for best methods w. applying Ressurectio Decals?

2009-12-11 Thread Philip Williamson
Soapy water works the same way. I've used it to apply vinyl window stickers, and then you can squeegee the water out with a diaper wrapped over a cheese wedge plastic scraper. Philip On Dec 11, 6:20 am, Todd Olsen todd_ol...@comcast.net wrote: i have applied a very large decal to the side of a

Re: [RBW] Our New Bike Catalog Is On The Site

2009-12-11 Thread Brian Hanson
Love it, John - nice work! Brian On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:22 AM, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote: a sneak preview can be found by following this to a PDF http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/174 Cheers, John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread newenglandbike
On Dec 11, 12:47 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Don't know if many of you folks have seen this yet, but there is a Bombadil frame set for sale on the Bay with HORIZONTAL drop outs!  Very interesting. I thought those were called track fork ends. Horizontal dropouts are

Re: [RBW] New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 11:17 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: I believe the answers are no, and why ever would you wish that on a bike? You want a nice fixed/single speed? There's a

Re: [RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 10:30 -0800, newenglandbike wrote: They look a lot like the drop-outs on my BMX bike, which certainly aren't 'track fork ends' :)Why call them track-ends here? Plus, they *are* horizontal, right?AFAIK, there are forward-facing horizontal drop-outs, and

[RBW] Re: Our New Bike Catalog Is On The Site

2009-12-11 Thread manueljohnacosta
awesome. On Dec 11, 10:40 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: That looks great! Thanks for posting. On Dec 11, 10:22 am, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote: a sneak preview can be found by following this to a PDF http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/174 Cheers, John --

[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread newenglandbike
On Dec 11, 1:36 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 10:30 -0800, newenglandbike wrote: They look a lot like the drop-outs on my BMX bike, which certainly aren't 'track fork ends' :)    Why call them track-ends here?   Plus, they *are* horizontal, right?    

[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread newenglandbike
On Dec 11, 1:35 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:30 PM, newenglandbike Nope, those are fork-ends. AASHTA:http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_dr-z.html#dropout -- Bill missing Sheldon Connell St. Paul, MN All due respect to Sheldon Brown, but on a

[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread newenglandbike
On Dec 11, 1:36 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Those rear-facing horizontal dropouts are known as track ends.   Just to be clear, I was not disagreeing that they are known (on track bikes) as 'track ends', I was only pointing out that it is not incorrect to refer to them as

[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Threaded stems and headsets are pretty much obsolete on new-production bikes, and the number of threaded stem/headset options is small and getting smaller. There are a few holdouts, like Riv and some custom shops, but I think even they see the writing on the wall (Legolas was threadless, and

[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Frames, Last Chance Atlantis

2009-12-11 Thread JoelMatthews
AFAIK, there are forward-facing horizontal drop-outs, and rear-facing horizontal dropouts. But then you either have to type in the rather awkward 'forward-facing or rear-facing' descriptive or be completely confusing. The two are quite different. A forward facing horizontal drop out is meant

[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread JoelMatthews
nobody is doing it. that is my whole point...whether or not you think Riv shouldnobody is. The Bruce Gordon BLT is a loaded tourer, takes a one inch threaded stem (and Bruce will sell you a beautiful custom made matching quil to boot) has every sort of braze on you could hope for, rides

Re: [RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 11:03 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: Threaded stems and headsets are pretty much obsolete on new-production bikes, and the number of threaded stem/headset options is small and getting smaller. There are a few holdouts, like Riv and some custom shops, but I

Re: [RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread Eric Norris
There are still millions upon millions of bikes out there with threaded headsets, many of them owned by people of limited means who will need to fix them rather than buy a new bike. Ditto for bikes with freewheels. That's why it's still possible to buy freewheels in this age of cassettes

[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread newenglandbike
regardless of steer-tube diameter, I like having a quill setup so you can raise and lower the bars really quickly and easily, and with 'infinite' adjustment. So I hope threaded/quill isn't going anywhere. On Dec 11, 2:19 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 11:03

Re: [RBW] Our New Bike Catalog Is On The Site

2009-12-11 Thread Bill Connell
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:22 PM, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote: a sneak preview can be found by following this to a PDF http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/174 Great catalog. It seems like it's been a while since the catalog focused so much on the bikes themselves, it's great

[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Well, having a special run of parts made is more difficult than using something that is already available with probably 100 variants from which to choose. And if the modern, widely available version is demonstrably an improvement over the antiquated version that requires a special production run,

[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Well, having a special run of parts made is more difficult than using something that is already available with probably 100 variants from which to choose. And if the modern, widely available version is demonstrably an improvement over the antiquated version that requires a special production run,

[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread eflayer
Headtubes on BLT and BLTaiwans are short... But it does look as if little old BG is sourcing his own upjutting Salsa (old) quill stems. Bet the BLTaiwans weigh a ton. Don't want a tank. Want an all around 700c. Let's call it a tigged Roadeo with Vbrakes, powder and a headbadge. On Dec 11,

[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread eflayer
ps, street bike with rear rack brazeons so I can carry my lunch in stuff in a trunk bag, and put on bigger tires if I want to...but lightweight and lively...as you would say. On Dec 11, 11:38 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 11:35 -0800, eflayer wrote:

Re: [RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread Bill Connell
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 1:35 PM, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: Headtubes on BLT and BLTaiwans are short... But it does look as if little old BG is sourcing his own upjutting Salsa (old) quill stems. Bet the BLTaiwans weigh a ton.  Don't want a tank.  Want an all around 700c.  Let's

RE: [RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread Bruce Gordon
-Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of eflayer Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:36 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell? Headtubes on BLT and BLTaiwans

Re: [RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread Seth Vidal
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 1:35 PM, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: Headtubes on BLT and BLTaiwans are short... But it does look as if little old BG is sourcing his own upjutting Salsa (old) quill stems. Bet the

Re: [RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 11:40 -0800, eflayer wrote: ps, street bike with rear rack brazeons so I can carry my lunch in stuff in a trunk bag, and put on bigger tires if I want to...but lightweight and lively...as you would say. I think you already own it, your Fuji touring. -- You

[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread JoelMatthews
Headtubes on BLT and BLTaiwans are short... Geometry is close to the Hilborne. But it does look as if little old BG is sourcing his own upjutting Salsa (old) quill stems. Bruce has been making quill stems long before there was a Salsa. His is a heavy duty design. But guess what, delicate

[RBW] Re: Tips for best methods w. applying Ressurectio Decals?

2009-12-11 Thread newenglandbike
I actually recently asked Rivendell about how they apply their decals, and they were very helpful. Basically, what they told me is that they use a large diameter marker (like a fat sharpie) to smooth down the decal under the top-sheet, very carefully. While I don't know if they use any soapy

[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread cm
If the man is the idea that carbon fiber is the only real material that serious cyclists consider-- that everything else is a compromise, then i think being anti-the man is a plus. That is how I interpret Surly's ads-- we make good, smart bikes that arent what the Bicylcling's Buyers Guide tell

[RBW] Re: Our New Bike Catalog Is On The Site

2009-12-11 Thread Cycletex
Oh yeah. I really like this one. Great design. On Dec 11, 12:22 pm, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote: a sneak preview can be found by following this to a PDF http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/174 Cheers, John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

[RBW] Re: Our New Bike Catalog Is On The Site

2009-12-11 Thread Jim Cloud
Very NICE! I think you've done an outstanding job on this catalog, John. Rivendell catalogs are an interesting read, and creatively exciting. Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Dec 11, 11:22 am, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote: a sneak preview can be found by following this to a PDF

[RBW] Re: Our New Bike Catalog Is On The Site

2009-12-11 Thread R Gonet
It is a beautiful catalog. What I miss is the older catalog with all the parts, accessories, essays, and how-to pieces. I have one that's a couple of years old and I still look at it often, many times use it for reference purposes. I suppose with everything on-line now, it's impractical to mail

[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread doug peterson
JIm: I'm not normally a tweed sort of guy but that Nigel Smith on the LHT absolutely belongs on that bike. What a nice, tidy touch. I've never seen an LHT set up other than as a tourer. The Atlantis is highly adaptable (you were up to what, version 8.0?) so the LHT should be equally so. RE:

[RBW] Now threaded steer tube (was lug vs. tig)

2009-12-11 Thread James Warren
I don't agree that threadless is demonstrably better. For me, the benefits of easy bar height adjustability outweighs all the other stuff combined. A less signficant, but still real, thing that the quill offers is a good place to attach the type of bell I like to use. -Jim W. -Original

[RBW] FS some wheels

2009-12-11 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I have some miscellaneous wheels that I'd like to make go away. All are handbuilt by me, but the projects for which they were intended either never materialized, or went in a different direction. All these wheels are new and never ridden, though they may have had cogs or tires installed at some

[RBW] Re: Would it be against the law - a tigged Rivendell?

2009-12-11 Thread Patrick in VT
if not TIG'd rivs, how about some lugged carbon fiber? http://www.ifbikes.com/OurBikes/Road/XS/ http://www.ifbikes.com/OurBikes/Road/Corvid/ Grant could do the Garth Brooks/Chris Gaines thing! no, wait that didn't really work either ;) safe riding this weekend everyone! -- You received

[RBW] Re: Now threaded steer tube (was lug vs. tig)

2009-12-11 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I hear this again and again, but it's just not true. Threadless allows easy adjustment of bar height if the steerer isn't cut too short. That's the real problem - too short steerers. If you start with a full- length steerer, say 300 mm, and a typical 58 cm frame, you can generally get the bars at

[RBW] Re: Our New Bike Catalog Is On The Site

2009-12-11 Thread John Bennett
Dear Jim, If you say you've done an outstanding job on this catalog and mean Rivendell, thank you! If you say that and mean me, you should know that Dave and Grant did it all with the help of Dan the Camera Man. All the best, and glad you like it (I do, too), John On Dec 11, 1:15 pm, Jim Cloud

[RBW] Re: Our New Bike Catalog Is On The Site

2009-12-11 Thread John Bennett
With the changing dollar vs. the yen and euro, it's hard to do print catalogs for the parts, clothes, and bags right now. That, plus the fact that we often get things in small batches, or they get discontinued, and then (drat) they're in the catalog for a whole year. The web catalog gets around

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