Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-20 Thread Dee
I don't think I did. You said that neither can be proved one way or the other, but I have proved beyond any shadow of doubt that EIS works, as have you and thousands of others! Totally different to religion. dee Neville wrote: You totally missed my point, which was that anything can be

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-20 Thread Ode Coyote
My problem with you, dude is that you claim I'm speaking in absolutes when I clearly stated being within observational limits, which NO ONE isn't. There are no absolutes with observation.anywhere. But somehow there ARE absolutes without it? Not being able to detect a change indicates no

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-20 Thread Ode Coyote
@eskimo.com Sent: Sat Oct 18 08:40:18 2008 Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited You'd probably want to send it to a lab. Around three hundred dollars for true answers. I realize it isn't cheap (or even affordable for most of us). A good chemical analysis is not something an untrained person can do

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-20 Thread Ruth Bertella
LOL and welcome to the loony bin!!! Ruth From: Indi To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited Maybe part of my discomfort lies in the fact that I've become one of the people I used to poke fun at, LOL. Cheers

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-20 Thread Ode Coyote
One thing at a time. You have claimed that sunlight turns silver ions into particles after the process is complete. No, I never said that at all. I mentioned getting rid of ions by allowing solution to sit in the sun. ## THERE..you just said it...again. I also never claimed to have

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-20 Thread Ode Coyote
PPM and color..one of those theories taken as gospel that holds no water. Particle size and colorincomplete. Not this or that, but this and that. ode At 07:56 AM 10/19/2008 +1030, you wrote: Hi there Faith, I have both an EC/TDS blah blah meter and a, 'supposedly', ppm meter. The

RE: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-20 Thread Dan Nave
Hey Steve, I understood that... Dan ;-)) From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 12:21 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-20 Thread indi
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:11:33 -0500 Ruth Bertella berte...@lfdcbham.com wrote: Thanks, Ruth. :) LOL and welcome to the loony bin!!! Ruth From: Indi To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited Maybe part

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-20 Thread Neville
To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:22 AM Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited PPM and color..one of those theories taken as gospel that holds no water. Particle size and colorincomplete. Not this or that, but this and that. ode At 07:56 AM 10/19/2008 +1030, you

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-20 Thread Neville
@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 9:47 PM Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited I don't think I did. You said that neither can be proved one way or the other, but I have proved beyond any shadow of doubt that EIS works, as have you and thousands of others! Totally different to religion. dee

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-19 Thread Ode Coyote
About all there is is Atomic Absorption Spectrophotometer for total silver content...no details between ionic and colloidal. $200 fixer upper - $250,000 Malvern particle sizer ~ $40,000 ..no details on what the particles are Some sort of microscope

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-19 Thread Ode Coyote
Making the same point, theory is theory. How does sunlight change pure ionic silver into something else? What is the alleged mechanism? The theory was stated as existing, but nothing about what the theory says except the conclusion. I've sent samples to several labs..only one

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-19 Thread Ode Coyote
Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited - Original Message - From: Indi indule...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 2:53 AM Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited Quote: [armed with only an EC meter and a laser pointer, for the simple reason that those

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-19 Thread Dee
No I don't think it can be compared to religion Neville, because the benefits of EIS are absolutely provable. When my face swelled up like the elephant man in a matter of minutes, and swallowing EIS every ten minutes for two hours brought it completely down again, *that's* proof that it

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-19 Thread Indi
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 06:57:56AM -0400, Ode Coyote wrote: Making the same point, theory is theory. How does sunlight change pure ionic silver into something else? Perhaps more to the point, how does one verify they have pure ionic silver? What is the alleged mechanism? This has

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-19 Thread Neville
You totally missed my point, which was that anything can be argued to death, not whether something works or not! N. - Original Message - From: Dee d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:26 AM Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited No I don't think

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-18 Thread Dee
With silver being so sensitive to *any* contaminants, I would have thought it would show some colour change or something, if something had become contaminated within it. Would not the taste change? I gave some three year old silver (a bit cruddy) to someone who had never used it and was a

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-18 Thread Neville
Why am I not surprised to hear that! N. - Original Message - From: Dee d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited With silver being so sensitive to *any* contaminants, I would have thought it would show

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-18 Thread Neville
- Original Message - From: Indi indule...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 2:53 AM Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited Quote: [armed with only an EC meter and a laser pointer, for the simple reason that those devices are not enough to *prove

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-18 Thread Faith Gagne
Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited - Original Message - From: Indi indule...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 2:53 AM Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited Quote: [armed with only an EC meter and a laser pointer, for the simple reason that those

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-18 Thread Indi
: CSblue moons revisited Quote: [armed with only an EC meter and a laser pointer, for the simple reason that those devices are not enough to *prove* your claims (in scientific terms).] In the absence of suitable laboratory testing equipment, in the home, which is where most users involved

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-18 Thread Indi
nevillem...@bigpond.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited - Original Message - From: Indi indule...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 2:53 AM Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-18 Thread Indi
I'm glad the silver worked for your friend. See, reporting anecdotal evidence is fine. My difference with Ode is that he crossed a line, saying unchanged after five years, claiming he proved it with an EC meter and laser pointer. That is the very soul of speaking in absolutes. :) You and I may

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-18 Thread Dee
So by that thinking, then are we all guilty on this list of giving EIS to others and telling them of its wonders? After all, if it can't be 'proved' does this mean to say that it can't be true? Even though we know categorically that is does work? dee Indi wrote: You'd probably want to

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-18 Thread Indi
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 05:20:32PM +0100, Dee wrote: So by that thinking, then are we all guilty on this list of giving EIS to others and telling them of its wonders? After all, if it can't be 'proved' does this mean to say that it can't be true? Even though we know categorically that

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-18 Thread Ode Coyote
Within context. If there are no observable changes, there are no changes in any practical sense. There are ALWAYS limits to observation. I assure you that I am well aware of how tricky an EC meter can be after going round and round with Hanna Tech for 3 months asking them why I was

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-18 Thread Faith Gagne
@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 1:04 PM Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 05:20:32PM +0100, Dee wrote: So by that thinking, then are we all guilty on this list of giving EIS to others and telling them of its wonders? After all, if it can't be 'proved' does

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-18 Thread Norton, Steve
information and test methodology and I think that is sufficient for one to understand and evaluate the data. - Steve N - Original Message - From: Indi indule...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat Oct 18 08:40:18 2008 Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited You'd

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-18 Thread Indi
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 12:21:22PM -0500, Norton, Steve wrote: I apologize iin advance for getting in this issue but are you familiar with the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MTBI)? While you cannot determine someones personality type from postings you can get some indications. Indi, I would

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-18 Thread cking001
. - Original Message - From: Indi indule...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 1:04 PM Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 05:20:32PM +0100, Dee wrote: So by that thinking, then are we all guilty on this list of giving EIS

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-18 Thread Indi
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 01:14:59PM -0400, Ode Coyote wrote: Within context. If there are no observable changes, there are no changes in any practical sense. There are ALWAYS limits to observation. I assure you that I am well aware of how tricky an EC meter can be after going round

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-18 Thread Neville
: CSblue moons revisited Dear N. I don't use anything to 'measure' the CS I use. I'd like to have something for this purpose. I think Ode sells a meter of some sort. Faith G. - Original Message - From: Neville nevillem...@bigpond.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-18 Thread Neville
. Cheers...Neville. - Original Message - From: Indi indule...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 12:10 AM Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited You'd probably want to send it to a lab. Around three hundred dollars for true answers. I realize

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-18 Thread Neville
: CSblue moons revisited Dear indi: Thank you very much for your efforts. I think, after all, that you are right about anecdotal evidence. I appreciate the fact that you are discussing this. Truthfully, I have wondered about the condition of CS when stored for a while, and wonder how much it has

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-18 Thread Faith Gagne
Thanks very much. I would prefer not to chuck it but indi brings up a very good point, don't you think? Faith G. - Original Message - From: Neville nevillem...@bigpond.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:23 PM Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-18 Thread Neville
that may appear to some. Neville. - Original Message - From: Faith Gagne jitte...@gis.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:01 AM Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited Thanks very much. I would prefer not to chuck it but indi brings up a very good point, don't you

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-18 Thread Neville
To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:01 AM Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited Thanks very much. I would prefer not to chuck it but indi brings up a very good point, don't you think? Faith G. - Original Message - From: Neville nevillem...@bigpond.com To: silver-list

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-18 Thread Indi
- Original Message - From: Faith Gagne jitte...@gis.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 3:48 AM Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited Dear indi: Thank you very much for your efforts. I think, after all, that you are right about anecdotal evidence. I

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-18 Thread Indi
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 08:36:39AM +1030, Neville wrote: Hey, I agree 100% my friend, you are 'absolutely' right in what you are saying, no argument from me there, but to me there are no 'absolutes' with this stuff and from all the information I have perused I don't believe there is a

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-18 Thread Neville
- Original Message - From: Indi indule...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited Quote: [Maybe part of my discomfort lies in the fact that I've become one of the people I used to poke fun at, LOL

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-17 Thread Indi
We seem to be on different pages here. When you speak in absolutes, I tend to take it literally. Now I understand, you speak in absolutes but are taking a lot on faith. That's fine for you, but IMO it is irresponsible to broadcast EIS unchanges after five years armed with only an EC meter and a

RE: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-17 Thread Dan Nave
Once stabilized, EIS is substantially unchanged in any meaningful way after 5 years. Submit PROOF to the contrary. Dan -Original Message- From: Indi [mailto:indule...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 11:23 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSblue moons

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-14 Thread Ode Coyote
At 01:04 PM 10/13/2008 -0400, you wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:08:32PM -0400, Ode Coyote wrote: If the container is non reactive That would have to include the lid of course. :) ## Unless you slosh the contents around, there is no direct contact with the lid. there is

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-13 Thread Ode Coyote
At 09:58 AM 10/10/2008 -0400, you wrote: On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 07:28:52AM -0400, Ode Coyote wrote: What mehod did you use to verify that it was still ionic and unchanged? ## EC meter. Colloids don't conduct electricity. Ode That is incorrect. Even tap water will conduct

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-13 Thread Ode Coyote
If the container is non reactive, there is little air space and all you have is water, water byproducts and silver..which ISN'T photo reactive, then it has nothing to change into. The water byproducts should recombine into water leaving colloidal silver or a silver precipitate..but they

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-13 Thread Indi
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:08:32PM -0400, Ode Coyote wrote: If the container is non reactive That would have to include the lid of course. :) there is little air space and all you have is water, water byproducts and silver..which ISN'T photo reactive, then it has nothing to change

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-11 Thread Dee
Me too Dan, me too! dee Dan Nave wrote: Personally, I *prefer* magical thinking... Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to:

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-10 Thread Ode Coyote
What mehod did you use to verify that it was still ionic and unchanged? ## EC meter. Colloids don't conduct electricity. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-10 Thread M. G. Devour
Someone asks Ken: What mehod did you use to verify that it was still ionic and unchanged? Ken wrote: ## EC meter. Colloids don't conduct electricity. Indi replies: That is incorrect. Even tap water will conduct electricity. I say: Huh? Any tap water I've ever seen or heard of has

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-10 Thread Indi
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 07:28:52AM -0400, Ode Coyote wrote: What mehod did you use to verify that it was still ionic and unchanged? ## EC meter. Colloids don't conduct electricity. Ode That is incorrect. Even tap water will conduct electricity. -- The Silver List is a moderated

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-10 Thread Indi
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 01:57:20PM +, M. G. Devour wrote: Someone asks Ken: What mehod did you use to verify that it was still ionic and unchanged? Ken wrote: ## EC meter. Colloids don't conduct electricity. Indi replies: That is incorrect. Even tap water will conduct

RE: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-10 Thread Dan Nave
Personally, I *prefer* magical thinking... Dan -Original Message- From: Indi [mailto:indule...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 1:34 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 01:57:20PM +, M. G. Devour wrote

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-10 Thread Indi
:34 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 01:57:20PM +, M. G. Devour wrote: Someone asks Ken: What mehod did you use to verify that it was still ionic and unchanged? Ken wrote: ## EC meter. Colloids don't

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-08 Thread Dee
Yet another example of mis-information taken as gospel perhaps? dee Ode Coyote wrote: At 10:49 AM 10/6/2008 -0400, you wrote: At 05:47 PM 10/5/2008 -0400, you wrote: Typically, if you have real CS (i.e. *not* ionic silver) there will be a small amount of ionic silver. This can be

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-08 Thread Indi
Ode Coyote wrote: At 10:49 AM 10/6/2008 -0400, you wrote: At 05:47 PM 10/5/2008 -0400, you wrote: Typically, if you have real CS (i.e. *not* ionic silver) there will be a small amount of ionic silver. This can be mostly eliminated by exposure to sunlight though. ## How

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-07 Thread Ode Coyote
At 10:49 AM 10/6/2008 -0400, you wrote: At 05:47 PM 10/5/2008 -0400, you wrote: Typically, if you have real CS (i.e. *not* ionic silver) there will be a small amount of ionic silver. This can be mostly eliminated by exposure to sunlight though. ## How would this be so? I've left

Re: Fw: Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-07 Thread Ode Coyote
Brain forensics are carried out with the use of a copper/silver method to stain only the damaged areas. Copper and silver have an affinity for damage, but there is no indication that it causes that damage. Silver has been found in the brains of alcoholic cadavers. Alcohol damages brain

Re: Lyme, was Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-07 Thread Marshall Dudley
sol wrote: Marshall Dudley wrote: High intake can cause blue moons. I have them, my wife has them, and my son, who takes much lower amounts, slightly has them. Mine appeared quite suddenly immeidately following me taking huge

Re: CSblue moons revisited... please provide references.

2008-10-07 Thread Ode Coyote
At 01:41 PM 10/6/2008 -0400, you wrote: Hi Larry, I study and I learn, but I do not have the lawyer-like ability to cite all research, as I am not really out to debate people or to practice medicine on others. I'm just trying to get well again. :) I do recall there is a bit about it in the book

Re: Fw: Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-07 Thread sol
Ode Coyote wrote: Logical Conclusion: If you have blue moons and it IS from silver, [and not from a myriad of other possible causes ] you may have other problems where silver accumulation shows as a side effect with silver not the cause. I wish I had said that, and it is what I suspect to be

Re: Fw: Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-06 Thread Neville
, or read between the lines if you like. N. - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: CSblue moons revisited Neville wrote: Now you are getting close, yes, as with all trace elements

Re: Fw: Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-06 Thread Dee
It was that man recently wasn't it that they found silver in his brain, but only after he had been taking a concoction of drugs as well. Maybe the drugs caused the silver to stay there and not be excreted, who knows? And anyway, they still couldn't say what actually killed him could they, so

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-06 Thread Dee
And from what I can gather from the very knowledgeable people on this list, *this* is also misinformation! We all make ionic silver here and there definitely *is* benefit from taking it internally as I and everyone else can testify. How can you state this with no proof at all, and in the

Re: CSblue moons revisited - replied 5 Oct

2008-10-06 Thread Dee
Good luck with it Sandee, I am having really good results using aerobic oxygen i.e. more energy and no constipation (or a lot less) which I haven't experienced for years! dee Sandee George wrote: You know Dee you may have a point here - I used to do oxygen therapy when I lived in New Mexico

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-06 Thread Ode Coyote
At 05:47 PM 10/5/2008 -0400, you wrote: Typically, if you have real CS (i.e. *not* ionic silver) there will be a small amount of ionic silver. This can be mostly eliminated by exposure to sunlight though. You are correct that silver ions will react with the hydrochloric acid in the stomach and

Re: CSblue moons revisited-now CS vs EIS

2008-10-06 Thread Dee
Well said Ode, its just a shame that this has to keep being reiterated, because it shows how misinformation can be regarded as the truth. This is what we are continuously up against in alternative health when even believers are getting it wrong. dee Ode Coyote wrote: At 05:47 PM 10/5/2008

Re: CSblue moons revisited... please provide references.

2008-10-06 Thread larry tankersley
Hi Indi the following from your post You are correct that silver ions will react with the hydrochloric acid in the stomach and result in silver chloride formation. With ionic silver, if it is potent enough (high PPM) this can become a dangerous amount of silver chloride. Dangerous meaning one

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-06 Thread Marshall Dudley
craehow...@juno.com wrote: After reading your post concerning the quantity and potency I felt the need to comment. For almost 4 years I have been consuming a quart or more of Collodial Silver (15-20ppm). The blue moons you've indicated are due in fact to your collodial Silver

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-06 Thread Marshall Dudley
, and become immobile causing the blueing. Marshall David From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com Date: 4 October 2008 2:36:22 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSblue moons revisited I have posted here before about my blue (grey) fingernail moons. For some time now, I have suspected

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-06 Thread Marshall Dudley
05, 2008 12:22 PM Subject: CSblue moons revisited Quote: [Hello Sol If you've dramatically reduced your silver intake shouldn't the blue nails have grown out, or at least lightened up? David] Hi David, till you here from sol, I don't know if it has been established that CS was the cause

Re: Fw: Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-06 Thread Marshall Dudley
craehow...@juno.com wrote: Question: If; in fact, Collodial Silver did accumulate (beyond turning blue) what could we expect that to cause? An immune system boost. Since some water filters use silver to purify water, any accumulated silver, especially in places like the liver, should

Re: CSblue moons revisited... please provide references.

2008-10-06 Thread Indi
Hi Larry, I study and I learn, but I do not have the lawyer-like ability to cite all research, as I am not really out to debate people or to practice medicine on others. I'm just trying to get well again. :) I do recall there is a bit about it in the book Electrically Assisted Transdermal and

Re: CSblue moons revisited - replied 5 Oct

2008-10-06 Thread Marshall Dudley
Dee wrote: Maybe it is not enough oxygen in the system for some reason? This can be the cause for things turning blue, ie. lips etc., dee Blood conditions can cause bluing, but it is different. Silver give a slate blue, blood low in oxygen is more of a sky blue. Also if you press on the nail

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-06 Thread Marshall Dudley
Indi wrote: I don't think it is likely that true CS can accumulate in your system, or that if it did it would cause blue moons or argyria. As far as I know, the bluish discoloration some people report is caused by silver chloride, which can result when salt or baking soda is used as a conductive

Lyme, was Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-06 Thread sol
Marshall Dudley wrote: High intake can cause blue moons. I have them, my wife has them, and my son, who takes much lower amounts, slightly has them. Mine appeared quite suddenly immeidately following me taking huge amounts of CS for

Re: CSblue moons revisited - replied 5 Oct

2008-10-06 Thread Tony Moody
a bm to move the stuff on. Also taking magnesium supplement first thing in the morning also gets your body including gall bladder in particular, into a wake up and go mode. hth, OK, Tony On 5 Oct 2008 at 15:04, sol wrote about : Subject : Re: CSblue moons revisited - repli Sandee, What

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-05 Thread craehow...@juno.com
In answer to your questions regarding my iron and other levels or tests. As a retired Vet I receive my medical through the Air Force Academy and have had blood work done that has returned only one problem and that was not really a problem, just an awareness check. I see my doctor rarely and

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-05 Thread Neville
- Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 2:47 PM Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited Quote: [Neville wrote: If I thought for one second that CS was the cause of sol's moons there would be no further point

Fw: Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-05 Thread craehow...@juno.com
Question: If; in fact, Collodial Silver did accumulate (beyond turning blue) what could we expect that to cause? I feel that a portion of the silver that we are digesting is building up; mainly because our elimination systems are not fuctioning well. I know that mine has been a problem for

Re: CSblue moons revisited - replied 5 Oct

2008-10-05 Thread Sandee George
Hi There Neville - I concur with what you said - I myself have had blue moons on and off over my life starting from childhood, all long before I started using EIS so both Sol and I have some other factor which is causing this and I do believe it is the retention of heavy metals from some other

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-05 Thread Indi
I don't think it is likely that true CS can accumulate in your system, or that if it did it would cause blue moons or argyria. As far as I know, the bluish discoloration some people report is caused by silver chloride, which can result when salt or baking soda is used as a conductive starter to

Re: CSblue moons revisited - replied 5 Oct

2008-10-05 Thread Dee
Maybe it is not enough oxygen in the system for some reason? This can be the cause for things turning blue, ie. lips etc., dee Sandee George wrote: Hi There Neville - I concur with what you said - I myself have had blue moons on and off over my life starting from childhood, all long before

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-05 Thread sol
Connie, I take you to mean you don't know your iron levels? sol craehow...@juno.com wrote: In answer to your questions regarding my iron and other levels or tests. As a retired Vet I receive my medical through the Air Force Academy and have had blood work done that has returned only one

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-05 Thread sol
Neville wrote: Don't misunderstand sol, I'm not talking about the pathogen aspect of CS, I'm aware of that, I'm referring to the fact that the ingestion of CS, using the appropriate protocols as we know are required for the production thereof, there should be NO issues if all we have

Re: Fw: Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-05 Thread sol
Somewhere I did see some reports that silver has been found in the brain in autopsy. Don't remember where. Apparently that is one argument for the danger of CS. I've also seen claims that silver builds up in the kidneys of animals and causes kidney damage. I could not find any substantiation

Re: CSblue moons revisited - replied 5 Oct

2008-10-05 Thread sol
Sandee, What kind of chelations did you do? I'm curious to see what happens to my nails as I try to get rid of excess iron. I hope they will clear up as the iron leaves. I never had them before I started using CS, but then I used to be on a very different and iron poor diet while consuming

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-05 Thread sol
I thought some silver chloride was formed the instant CS hits the stomach? Even an empty stomach. Starting with silver chloride from using salt to make the CS would just make it worse, but I think some silver chloride happens in the body, and certainly would form in the blood, which is salty.

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-05 Thread Indi
Typically, if you have real CS (i.e. *not* ionic silver) there will be a small amount of ionic silver. This can be mostly eliminated by exposure to sunlight though. You are correct that silver ions will react with the hydrochloric acid in the stomach and result in silver chloride formation. With

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-05 Thread M. G. Devour
Indi wrote: Also, those reading my words should know I have been mostly unsuccessful at trying to get what I'd call accurate, unbiased medical advice about CS and other alternative treatments. All I really have to go by is my limited scientific knowledge of chemistry and physics, and my own

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-05 Thread craehow...@juno.com
Just had to comment on the statement would not be able to venture far from the bathroom... I take large quantities of Collodial Silver daily (15-20ppm). This means a quart or more. I also take numerous probotics and have also started making my own Kim-Che (natural probotics). If I did the CS

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-05 Thread Indi
Wow, that's a lot of probiotic (and a lot of CS). I probably should have been more clear; I'm not saying that people are untruthful about how much CS they take, just that often what they are taking is not what they think it is. And I wasn't referring to anyone in particular, BTW. Perhaps it was

Re: CSblue moons revisited - replied 5 Oct

2008-10-05 Thread Sandee George
You know Dee you may have a point here - I used to do oxygen therapy when I lived in New Mexico and I do not think I had any blue moons then, maybe I will give it a shot again and see what happens nothing beats a failure better than a try Will touch base again when I have done it for a

Re: CSblue moons revisited - replied 5 Oct

2008-10-05 Thread Sandee George
Hi There Sol - as I said, I did IV chelation, which has to be given by a medical doctor, in the first instance I did 21 bottles, then a second go-round a year later of 15 - this was about 15 years ago.If you would like to read about it here is a good book on it called Bypassing a Bypass

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-05 Thread Indi
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 22:50:05 GMT craehow...@juno.com craehow...@juno.com wrote: If I did the CS only I could go on a months vacation and not worry about that little room. Forgive me being so dense; I missed what you meant there. If I understand correctly you're saying that for someone who

Re: Fw: Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-05 Thread Neville
on, get the axe out and cut me down. g Cheers...N. - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:08 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: CSblue moons revisited Somewhere I did see some reports that silver has been found

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-05 Thread Indi
Yes well, perhaps I should try to be more open-minded then. My own personal studies and experience have led me to form some pretty strong opinions, but it's true that personal experiences and results may vary widely. I think I am getting a good handle on what works for me, at least in a basic

Re: Fw: Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-05 Thread sol
Neville wrote: Now you are getting close, yes, as with all trace elements in the body, they are in colloidal form and silver will be among them so of course silver will 'show up' on examination. Silver plays no other role, to my knowledge, in the body other than to enhance the immune

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-04 Thread M. G. Devour
... I've been refused permission to donate blood, because of my adrenal fatigue, so that simple way of getting rid of excess iron is out for the present, unless I go doctor shopping again, and I don't have much enthusiasm in that. Where I live there are few choices in docs. Dear Sol, Is it

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-04 Thread sol
Neville wrote: Just a question, what do you consider was a 'heavy ingestion'? ie; ppm and quantity taken? My own homemade EIS, no additives, 12-15 ppm (depending on which gen I used to make it), water clear, very little TE (which means no big particles). I drank between a pint and a quart

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-04 Thread craehow...@juno.com
After reading your post concerning the quantity and potency I felt the need to comment. For almost 4 years I have been consuming a quart or more of Collodial Silver (15-20ppm). The blue moons you've indicated are due in fact to your collodial Silver consumption. Even before I began taking

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