[Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve

I would guess that anyone here who knew George misses him. And in the spirit of George, anyone reading this who finds the forum useful and is not a member of AFSA ought to join before the day is done. And also join your local chapter. On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 10:10 AM wrote: > We need a ‘smiley

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Protecting underground storage of explosives.

https://codes.iccsafe.org/content/IFC2018/CHAPTER-56-EXPLOSIVES-AND-FIREWORKS?site_type=public On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 1:20 PM Prahl, Craig wrote: > Munitions and explosives are typically protected via separation. On > military projects, storage areas such as these are either semi-subterranean

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Sidewalls on curved walls

I'm thinking this may be one of those occasions where that PE after your name may need to be summoned, Todd. On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 11:22 AM Fpdcdesign wrote: > Light Hazard. Waiting room > > > > On Mar 8, 2024 at 2:18 PM, > wrote: > > What’s the occupancy of the space? > Rick Matsuda > > On

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Dry Sprinkler Heads

According to this article... 1937. https://www.sprinklerage.com/dry-barrel-sprinklers/#:~:text=The%20first%20UL%2Dlisted%20dry,three%2Dquarters%20of%20a%20century . On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 3:12 PM James Crawford wrote: > I was asked today when the first dry heads came into use and did not have

[Sprinklerforum] Re: AFSA ITM Connection - Sprinkler head security cameras

Suppose you're in a store and you find something like this. Doesn't look like the rest of the sprinklers in the place, are only in dressing rooms, and in each space, there is one of these and one of the regular sprinklers found throughout the building. You tell the manager as he's the likely

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Air venting

John D. Remember when we used to zone each level of a dry pipe system in open parking garages with a check valve to speed up trip time, or am I really showing my age? Could each level of Ken's project be connected to a single pipe, with or without a check valve that ran to the top and a single

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Pump Suction Components

I think, a dangerous thing, and based totally on speculation, without any supporting information, the grv x flg could be used due to vibration. I can visualize something as heavy and lopsided as an OS rotating. Again, just pure speculation. On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 6:31 AM Brian Harris wrote: >

[Sprinklerforum] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Sprinklers in column enclosures

I hate to solve technical problems that aren't really problems by adding cost to a jib but if the BI is not going to budge change the wood framing design around the columns to steel and you have a non-combustible concealed space. Or if already framed go with Chris' suggestion. I once had an AHJ

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Optional sprinkler protection in garage without sprinklers elsewhere

I think this situation fails to fall under the guidance of any code or standard. I think the owner needs to define what he is trying to accomplish since he seems to be the driver for this voluntary solution to a vaguely defined problem. The building code already demands a more robust fire

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Fire Station Apparatus Bay

Given those two choices, I'd say a showroom is pretty devoid of fully fueled cars and that they are spaced far enough apart for customers to easily navigate around. An FD apparatus bay is filled with fully fueled vehicles that are started in the bay. The bay also contains lots of ancillary gear.

[Sprinklerforum] Re: 13R: Hotel Corridors Open to Lobby

If I'm picturing this one way I'd say if there was no separation other than visual like a valance, a floor elevation difference, or a change of carpet pattern then there is no corridor. If in another visualization where there is a corridor to either side of a wide opening from the lobby then the

[Sprinklerforum] Re: BFP on underground supply

Being semi/mostly out of the game I don't keep as up-to-date as I maybe should be and so I don't have too many standards left having donated many to those still in need. So my question is where is the requirement mentioned? 13, 24, 25, all? That should be a guide as to who is ultimately

[Sprinklerforum] Re: plans and specifications vs design build

Didn't you say this was a firehouse? Maybe get the fire marshal involved. If an engineer stamped the plans and gave those out as what to bid on then if you win the contract you build to what the engineer said. Who are you, lowly contractor/engineering tech to argue with the mighty PE? But if he's

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Center vs Quad

Travis, I've had that same conversation dozens of times. On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 1:44 PM Brian Harris wrote: > Travis- > > I like it…. > > > > *Brian Harris, CET* > > BVS Systems Inc. > > bvssytemsinc.com > > > > ** Please “Reply All” To Email Correspondence ** > > >

[Sprinklerforum] Re: ESFR Addition

Is this new addition a "proper" separate building or just another fire area. If the former your solution of a booster pump for just the EFSR "building" tapped from the main UG line sounds like a good solution. If just a fire area Ken's comment about FDC feeds after the pump is spot on. I'd also

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Adding sprinklers to system with mixed SR/QR listing

Fast response elements do not universally equate to quick response sprinklers. https://www.vikinggroupinc.com/sites/default/files/documents/Automatic%20Sprinkler%20Thermal%20Sensitivity.pdf On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 10:58 AM Matthew J Willis wrote: > Todd, > > > > What are you protecting? > > >

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Adding sprinklers to system with mixed SR/QR listing

I'm old now so you get a story first, probably with a divergence (and there it is already and again), but Grinnell made a sprinkler that had different K-factors depending on the height it was placed at (9.0, 9.2, 9.4, etc.). An AHJ once called me out for using 9.0 in a calculation whose height

Re: Vertical Wet Pipes in Dry Attic

Not directly related but Scott’s answer gave me pause. Just as new designers should spend a couple of weeks or more with fitters sneaking questions and getting a handle on what works for them, companies that also do inspections should have their designers go out with the inspectors. And often.

Re: Joining black carbon steel with stainless steel piping

Food for thought... https://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=351636 On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 8:30 AM Fpdcdesign via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > > > > The last dielectric joint I saw was a 9” piece of CPVC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 28, 2022 at

Re: Sprinkler in elevator pit.

May be helpful. Maybe not. https://www.nfpa.org/News-and-Research/Publications-and-media/Blogs-Landing-Page/NFPA-Today/Blog-Posts/2019/11/20/101wednesdays-vertical-opening-protection-in-nfpa-101 On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 7:01 AM Ken Wagoner via Sprinklerforum <

Re: filling a pre-action system with water

Water hammer occurs when flow is abruptly stopped. On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 12:20 PM Art Tiroly via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > The high pressure water in=rush compresses the air in the system. > The velocity slows as the air pressure is compressed. I don't

Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: INDOOR SPORTS FACILITY FIELD HOUSE

What John said. On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 6:11 PM Tom Duross via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > Doing some commissioning work on a new one for New Balance here in > Boston. Building shaped like a peanut, curved walls and roof. Almost > every space is OH2, large

Re: question about Storage height

Did I miss something? I thought you said 5 groups of 5x5x5 cubes stacked 2 high. That's only 125 sqft. Wouldn't it be cheaper to make a separate space, either with two hour walls or to just extend the coverage beyond the area with the higher demand as per NFPA. The solution seems so obvious and

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Food trucks inside a building

I can't get over the cooking aspect. If this were a burger stand there would likely be a deep-fat fryer, a griddle, perhaps a grill, and a range top. I imagine a taco stand would be similar and so also a taco truck. In any event greasy vapors for all and a cooking line fire suppression system. A

Re: COMBUSTIBLE CONCEALED SPACE

For every problem there is a solution that is obvious, simple, and wrong. On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 7:13 AM Ken Wagoner via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > Indeed Travis and I have journeyed down this road before, one time in > particular. > > An AHJ, who happened

Re: Food trucks inside a building

Then there are the greasy vapors the taco trucks, times six fast food kitchens are spewing out into an enclosed space. I doubt if the trucks are equipped with any kind of grease scrubbers so the clientele are essentially eating under a giant coking line hood (the roof) that may or may not even be

Re: Liquor above 20% Alcohol Containers less than 1.3 gallons

Sometimes the packaging is the “commodity.“ Something you’ll never see but consider gold ingots individually packed in styrofoam, in cardboard boxes held together with shrink wrap, stacked on plastic pallets, stored in a vault. What’s the…? On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 7:33 AM Matthew J Willis via

Re: Clean Agent System

Totally my opinion and worth every penny you're paying for it, if the purpose of closing the dampers is to maintain volumetric integrity of the compartment vis-a-vis the amount of agent I would consider that function to be art of the suppression system and so controlled by the releasing panel. If

Re: NFPA 13 8.15.7.2 / 8.15.7.5 - Temporary Parking

Considering all the comments: ",,,the vehicle is parked temporarily and a fire starts" (Scott). That could be while I'm still in the taxi settling up with the driver. That would imply stopping is permanent parking. "Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, 11th edition, shall be the source for

Re: Material Prices !!

There's also a shortage of port capacity/unlading capability (and I'll assume loading at the other end). The Suez parking debacle put everything using that transit days behind schedule and so tying up those containers and throwing shipping schedules off. Logistics, logistics, logistics. For lack

Re: Flexible hose head connectors on a pipe schedule system

Passed on to me from a friend. UL IQ. Information for the category VENF - Flexible Sprinkler Hose with Fittings. "These products are intended for use in hydraulically design sprinkler systems." There's more info around it but you'll need to go see for yourself. As Steve said, I'm old, but what

Re: Flexible hose head connectors on a pipe schedule system

Tyson, While I tend to agree with you and can think of many pipe scheduling rules going back half a century or more that would suggest that flex heads are ad were outside of the scope of a pipe scheduled system I'm curious as to what criteria you're basing your opinion on. At face value, it would

Re: FP Suction Control Valve

I think I’ve preached this before but to my way of think standpipes and hydrants are the drivers of design when present with sprinklers acting as a first line of containment, buying time for manual suppression. That they work so well at suppression so often is an added bonus. On Thu, Jul 29, 2021

Re: Location of hydrant valves in CA.

Not having ever been on any committee making up any rules regarding this I'm going to take some logic shots at the issue as to the whys. If the hydrant is along a right of way then the service valve will be in the street somewhere perpendicular to the direction of the street in a straight line

Re: Dry System Couplings

klerforum > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 8:08 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Cc: Scott Futrell; Ron Greenman > Subject: RE: Dry System Couplings > > Ron, > How many did you see corroded and leaking that didn't have a tri-seal or > flush-seal? I can send

Re: Dry System Couplings

- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: > sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Tom Noble > via Sprinklerforum > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 8:14 AM > To: Ron Greenman via Sprinklerforum > Cc: Tom Noble > Subject: Re: Dry System Couplings > > NFPA 13 2016 edi

Re: Fire Pump Sprk & Fire Flow Demand

Consider that if the building was not there and you could meet the required CFC fireflow for the site you'd be done, just as you would for any land development project, municipal or private. No pump necessary. Then you reference 13 as the place with the sticky wicket paragraph about everything

Re: Shop Drawings vs Design Drawings in Florida

Not just a sprinkler job and sprinklering was not the only piece of contention, but I worked on a job where the architect argued the work was a remodel of the existing one-story mid-60s rambler. What he intended to leave lost in the new work were two e=interior walls and some of the original

Re: NFPA 13 2016 25.2.1.4.2

That like button would come in handy with Bruce's comment. There is a lot of misinterpretation because we use the same words for different things. On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 9:10 AM Matthew J Willis via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > I am curios, > > Did you

Re: Cleveland Automatic Sprinkler

I believe Automatics came out with the first Standard Spray Sprinklers in 1953. The SS had the U (upright) of P (pendant) designation and defined their orientation. The "old-style" sprinklers or conventional sprinklers manufactured before then could be installed in the upright or the pendant

Re: Smoke Detectors

I remember something about keeping the detector 12" out and down from the intersection of a wall and ceiling but that had nothing to do with sprinklers and may have been an industry practice, or a "Sven and Ollie we've always done it this way, right-or-wrong" rule. On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 7:40 AM

Re: leaving abandoned sprinkler piping in place

"Things like this are precisely why AFSA membership is well worth it."  Here is the conundrum on this type of post. I don't need to weigh in as everyone to the east of me has already answered Travis's questions but I want to thumbs-up Travis' thank you to those that answered as well, and mostly,

Re: Metal Mesh Ceiling tile replacement

I believe the "less than 1/4"" has to do with the depth of the ceiling tile. This rule goes back to at least the seventies and was originally for addressing plastic "egg-crate type tiles." On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 8:40 AM David Williams via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>

Re: Group III Aircraft Hangar

I'm tempted to look at the actual hazard rather than what the commodity is called. Airplane house/garage usually means hanger with the associated hazards, but if you just have aluminium tubes with appendages...? Presumably less activity than a typical warehouse, no combustible liquids like in a

Activity

Seems like there's been a resurgence in activity in the list recently. Makes me happy and I know it would have made George Church happy. So in the spirit of George, or perhaps channeling George's spirit, if you are an active participant or a lurker that finds value in this exchange and you're a

Re: Multiple System Calculation

This sounds like a job for more sheetrock. Oh, and more cowbell is always good. On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 10:57 AM Sean Conlin via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > See NFPA-13, 23.4.4.1.1.4 and 23.4.4.1.1.5. > > > > This should help you with the engineer. > > >

Re: Townhome - Common Areas

A clause in the sales contract that that owner of the adjacent unit is responsible, or that all owners that use that common area are equally responsible as in the maintenance assessments associated with HOAs. This is my opinion for a solution way out of the purview of the sprinkler contractor, and

Re: Stand-Alone UPS protection design

I think I'd try to get the building designer to put the UPS into a dedicated enclosure and use an inerting system. On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 10:48 AM Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > So, I'll assume this battery assembly will be in some type of

Re: [EXTERNAL] 23.4.4.2.5: What is the purpose and how does it apply?

this wrongly for a long time. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera director (1942-) On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 10:39 AM Cary Webber via Sprinklerforum

Re: Event Center Floors

907 <https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/9/fire-protection-and-life-safety-systems#907> . 3. 2.3. An automatic sprinkler system <https://up.codes/viewer/wyoming/ibc-2018/chapter/2/definitions#automatic_sprinkler_system> is provided in storage

Re: Diesel Fuel Tank - Leak Protection

with the threshold (or I guess in this case the oilhold)? Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera director (1942-) On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 3:07 PM BRUCE VERHEI via

Re: Domestic Demands 13R

at the junction/split with the domestic and then out to the loop. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera director (1942-) On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 9:03 AM

Re: Clearance around all pump equipment

Pretty much, Ben. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera director (1942-) On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:56 AM Ben Young via Sprinklerforum

Re: Clearance around all pump equipment

In one local jurisdiction here there is a requirement for three feet all around major equipment, font, sides, and back. It would good if they would inform the architects that continue to provide smaller and smaller pump and riser rooms. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700

Re: pharmacy

in the direction they entered), limited exiting, and anything else one can think of regarding the stupidity of the customers, as much as the types and amounts of commodities. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog

Re: pharmacy

My Big Book of Building Occupancies says drugstores are Group M-Mercantile and Sprinkler Installation Bible says mercantile is ordinary hazard. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film

Re: On/Off Switch in the Electric supply to a Dry Pipe System Air Compressor

the switch would need to be a Double Pole/Single Throw. Again. you can't tell from just the lever. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera director (1942

Re: On/Off Switch in the Electric supply to a Dry Pipe System Air Compressor

or one capable of being locked out if out of sight. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera director (1942-) On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 11:50 AM Mike Hairfield

Re: Non-Combustible Concealed Space

that latter, occupied compartment that is protected. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera director (1942-) On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:58 PM rix rixford via

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Testing of existing systems

about being blamed for any problems even if the problem and the work were at opposite ends of the building would thereby be mitigated to perhaps a more bearable risk. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog

Re: Flexible assembly for Novec 1230 at seismic separation joint

you looked into and rejected, but I've been around the block enough times to know that sometimes the simple solutions tp problems just elude us, so could you use the multi-joint seismic connection from NFPA 13? And when you think, "Of course I have you moron," I'll not take offense. 樂 Ron Greenman r

Re: 13 R in a single family home

In Washington, there was a guy that required conformance to 24 in stand-alone 13D installations even though it isn't referenced. He was fine with poly, PVC, CPVC, or orange CPVC if it was any type of system that was a combination of plumbing or fire. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com

Re: Missing hydraulic data plates

it, and the associated cost involved. The same process would apply for a modification to the system. Ultimately, if the information is required it os the owner's responsibility to provide it. How that is accom[lished is the owner's decision. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700

Re: Pump or Fire Pump

You might want to put a handwashing sink in the pump room downstream of the pump. It seems like adding one toilet to an otherwise stand-alone sprinkler system, to make it a flow-through system to alleviate the need for a backflow, at least in Washington, turns it into a plumbing system. Ron

Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Floor area less than required

You never can tell when office workers will be storing a thousand gallons of flammable methyl ethyl death floor to ceiling in styrofoam containers. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter

Re: mattress storage

When it comes to high hazard furnishings I always ask, "What would IKEA do?" Giant buildings full of plastic and kindling. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film direct

Re: Structural Load

or dead loads, including the sprinkler system. And I'm guessing that in California insufficient point loading for hanging would the least of your concerns regarding structure. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man

Re: NFPA 13, 2013 ed - hangers and pressures above 100psi

that the intent is met when using flex drops but since there is no stated exception it is now enforcing the letter because that's the mandate, or even merely a CYA. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog

Dust Collection

Does anyone know the NFPA references for dust ducting and collection for compressed paper laminate production? I am home (of course) and my books are 75 miles away. Thanks. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner

Re: [External] Re: I-B construction - ABS plumbing piping

is with the electrical or alarm or data or some sparky contractor. If adding sprinklers is just the band-aid for a problem that shouldn't have been allowed to exist in the first place... Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner

Re: Air Venting

When say sprigs do you mean the sprinklers are on sprigs as defined in 13 or do you mean the branch lines are are of risers that some folks sometimes call sprigs? And as a fun FYI for everyone, autocorrupt changed sprigs to spirirs in one place, springs in another, and sprints in another. On Fri,

3000 sqft rule

Does anyone know what edition of 13 the 3000 sqft rule was introduced? Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera director (1942

Re: Combustible dust collector

every bit of Skyler's advice on this matter. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera director (1942-) On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 7:46 AM Dewayne Martinez via Spri

Re: TYCO RM-1

That sounds like the real number to me. On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 11:06 AM Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G via Sprinklerforum wrote: > *That is what I have always used. Just friction loss through length plus > the 3 psi.* > > > > [image: MFP_logo_F] > > Travis

Re: Hazard Group?

I'm presuming the gas in appropriate containers in an appropriate cabinet, although at the school where I worked the maintenance guys would leave the gas cans outside or on top of the cabinets. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent

Re: Detached Garage

of cars that can fit in it. Other jurisdictions have varying rules regarding densities, sprinkler location, and whether the garage needs to be fully covered or partially covered. Often these requirements are codified and applied uniformly and sometimes they aren't. Ron Greenman rongreen

Re: [EXTERNAL] Not required, requirement

overseers of the utility district and depending on the laws of your state, you may have already lost the battle. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and oper

Re: Existing Dry system testing- chapter 25

Doesn't 13-13 25.2.1.6 exempt "Just you [sic] basic arm-over relocates." from a hydrostatic test above system working pressure? Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film direct

Re: Hotel washroom & closets

I’m trying to figure out how length of stay would effect the fire hazard. On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 6:02 PM Bruce Verhei via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > We had an Extended Stay America that had commonly had units rented long > term. It was a hotel for our

Re: Upright Sprinkler

ion eliminates the obstruction or limits the impact of the obstruction caused by the branch line so that it does not pose a significant problem. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film direc

Re: [EXTERNAL] FW: Dry Pipe Valve to Wet

only encountered in dry systems would be eliminated. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera director (1942-) On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 1:00 PM Michael Hill

Re: [EXTERNAL] FW: Dry Pipe Valve to Wet

the holes plugged, and have it marked as no longer being any kind of valve? Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera director (1942-) On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 12

Re: COMBUSTIBLE CEILING SPACE

I like this discussion. What about the dreaded perimeter opening 9n an otherwise non-combustible ceiling? Does a spacing ruling from the opening apply? Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter

Re: N1.85 graph paper

Hey Travis. Everything good out there for you? Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera director (1942-) On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 2:32 PM Travis Allen

Re: Attic/Concealed space access to sprinkler heads

only had to be made from the floor (or that's what he meant ), but Scott makes some good points about the difficulty that might be encountered for other activities. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog

Re: Attic/Concealed space access to sprinkler heads

Do note that NFPA 13 requires that the locations of low point drains be identified on the "General Information Sign" as well as the drain itself. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwr

Re: Captive Aire Systems

and Mechanical Officials (IAPMO): Installation, Material and Property Standard PS 108-98 – Grease Fire Suppression Systems. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor

Re: CBC / CFC vs NFPA 13

Scot. I've lost your email. Mine has not changed. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera director (1942-) On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 9:56 PM å

Re: Hazard

In addition to Travis’ comment if you don’t have an engineer define the occupancy and hazard you may need a long chat with the FM, the building/zoning folks and the owner. On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 9:47 AM Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G < tm...@mfpdesign.com> wrote: > > > *Owner information

Re: Multi-Level Ducts

And before we go off on a "that's crazy" line of postings regarding my previous post: I know. It's crazy thinking. But it complies with the rules. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwr

Re: Multi-Level Ducts

to sprinkler under them. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera director (1942-) On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 10:52 AM Sean.VanGaal wrote: > I want to swi

Re: Where to fine lowest mean temp info

If you’re looking for lowest mean go here and replace tacoma, wa with the city you want. https://www.weather-us.com/en/washington-usa/tacoma-climate On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 3:15 PM Ben Young wrote: > I can't figure out how to get 'here' for other regions, but this data is > kind of what I'm

Re: Attic sprinklers

*From the ICC:* *ATTIC*. ... In order to fully clarify that portion of a building *defined*as an *attic*, Section 202 identifies an *attic* as that space between the ceiling beams at the top story and the roof rafters. An *attic*designation is appropriate only if the area is not considered

Re: [EXTERNAL] Welded outlets - Equivalent feet

https://www.engineersedge.com/fluid_flow/fluid_flow_table_content.htm Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera director (1942-) On Wed, Jun 26, 2019

Re: Outer Obstructions @ Porte-Cocheres

en't been keeping up with changes well as i could (should?). Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera director (1942-) On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 3:24 PM J H

Re: Bags to Protect Sprinklers from Overspray

https://www.nashvillewraps.com/cellophane/biodegradable-bags/p-54 Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera director (1942-) On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 11

Re: Ammo Production

high speed deluge system (1/200th of a second or less from detection to water application) in a darkened area with light safe entries, and spark detectors everywhere. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Wer

Re: fire hydrant

the explosives from a building. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera director (1942-) On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 12:51 PM Sprinkler Academy - C Bilbo

Re: Bulb type vs link type sprinklers

Maybe he's thinking they aren't the same because bulbs and links have mildly different nominal operating temperatures. As Travis says, educate him. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter

Re: Restaurant Service Areas

rea on all open sides as OH1 and if it works you're good to go either way, and all that cost was ten minutes of hand calcs. Well, maybe twenty. Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, fil

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