[Sprinklerforum] Preaction system Inspectors test

2024-04-30 Thread Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design INC
Curious how to install the inspector's test connection on this preaction system. Any insight would be welcomed. I have a single interlock preaction system in a file room. All the pipe is in a conditioned space. Seems from what I can tell I need to use a dry inspector's test configuration

[Sprinklerforum] Re: 1500' for Standpipe Test

2024-04-04 Thread Craig Hanson
:* Brian Harris > *Sent:* Thursday, April 4, 2024 3:43 PM > *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [Sprinklerforum] 1500' for Standpipe Test > > > > Anybody ever ran through 1500’ of hose for a standpipe test? GC is > requesting it so we don’t ge

[Sprinklerforum] Re: 1500' for Standpipe Test

2024-04-04 Thread Prahl, Craig
ville, South Carolina 29606 CONTACT BY: Phone 1-864-676-5252, Email or MS TEAMS From: Brian Harris Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2024 3:43 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Sprinklerforum] 1500' for Standpipe Test Anybody ever ran through 1500' of hose for a standp

[Sprinklerforum] Re: 1500' for Standpipe Test

2024-04-04 Thread Don Casey
Or wait till it rains (comment not applicable for the bottom left of the country) From: Brian Harris Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2024 3:59 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Sprinklerforum] Re: 1500' for Standpipe Test

[Sprinklerforum] Re: 1500' for Standpipe Test

2024-04-04 Thread Brian Harris
Good idea! Thanks. Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. From: Eric Rieve Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2024 3:55 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: 1500' for Standpipe Test What's your expected flow rate? You could always tell the GC

[Sprinklerforum] Re: 1500' for Standpipe Test

2024-04-04 Thread Eric Rieve
Harris Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2024 3:43 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: [Sprinklerforum] 1500' for Standpipe Test Anybody ever ran through 1500' of hose for a standpipe test? GC is requesting it so we don't get their new parking lot wet. Thank you, Brian Harris, CET

[Sprinklerforum] Re: 1500' for Standpipe Test

2024-04-04 Thread Brian Harris
100% agree. Thank you, Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. From: Brett Peters Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2024 3:48 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: 1500' for Standpipe Test Fire hose has massive restriction, I would tell them

[Sprinklerforum] Re: 1500' for Standpipe Test

2024-04-04 Thread Brett Peters
ipe test? GC is > requesting it so we don’t get their new parking lot wet….. > > > > Thank you, > > > > *Brian Harris, CET* > > BVS Systems Inc. > > bvssystemsinc.com > > Phone: 704.896.9989 > > Fax: 704.896.1935 > > > >

[Sprinklerforum] 1500' for Standpipe Test

2024-04-04 Thread Brian Harris
Anybody ever ran through 1500' of hose for a standpipe test? GC is requesting it so we don't get their new parking lot wet. Thank you, Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. bvssystemsinc.com<http://bvssystemsinc.com/> Phone: 704.896.9989 Fax: 704.89

[Sprinklerforum] Re: BFP Forward flow test design

2024-03-28 Thread Dwight Havens
-405-240-7076   From: Worley, Tom Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 8:46 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: BFP Forward flow test design   Just make the main drain 2½.  A 2” may even suffice depending on how the water supply

[Sprinklerforum] Re: BFP Forward flow test design

2024-03-28 Thread Fpdcdesign
gt; > 1-405-240-7076 > > > > > > > > > > > From: Worley, Tom > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 8:46 AM > To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers > > Subject: [Sprinklerforum]

[Sprinklerforum] Re: BFP Forward flow test design

2024-03-28 Thread Mike Morey
sign Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 9:38 AM To: Sprinklerforum Subject: [Sprinklerforum] BFP Forward flow test design I am working on a re-design of a system where I need to include a provision for doing a forward flow test for the backflow preventer (4”). Due to space issues, I would like to do

[Sprinklerforum] Re: BFP Forward flow test design

2024-03-28 Thread Jackie Ward
Or mech-tee the riser and add a hose valve. Thank you, Jackie “JW” Ward 1-405-240-7076 From: Worley, Tom Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 8:46 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: BFP Forward flow test design Just make the main

[Sprinklerforum] Re: BFP Forward flow test design

2024-03-28 Thread Worley, Tom
01.png@01DA80F4.AEA0A4B0]<http://www.firefoe.com/> From: Fpdcdesign Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 9:38 AM To: Sprinklerforum Subject: [Sprinklerforum] BFP Forward flow test design I am working on a re-design of a system where I need to include a provision for doing a forwa

[Sprinklerforum] BFP Forward flow test design

2024-03-28 Thread Fpdcdesign
I am working on a re-design of a system where I need to include a provision for doing a forward flow test for the backflow preventer (4”). Due to space issues, I would like to do a by-pass around the check valve to the FDC. Is there a problem with this due to the clappers

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Flow test adjustment formula

2023-11-10 Thread Eric Rieve
LOL guess I’m not quite as quick as Kevin just yet. From: Steve Leyton Sent: Friday, November 10, 2023 2:12 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Flow test adjustment formula Yep. From: Eric Rieve mailto:e...@rievefire.com>>

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Flow test adjustment formula

2023-11-10 Thread Steve Leyton
Yep. From: Eric Rieve Sent: Friday, November 10, 2023 11:09 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Flow test adjustment formula Steve, It should be: [cid:image001.png@01DA13C6.BE13EC40] Where: Px= The residual pressure

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Flow test adjustment formula

2023-11-10 Thread Eric Rieve
Steve, It should be: [cid:image001.png@01DA13DF.08481F30] Where: Px= The residual pressure at a particular flow (Qx) Ps= The static pressure during the flow test Pr= The residual pressure during the flow test correlating with Qr Qx= The flow amount correlating with residual pressure being solved

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Flow test adjustment formula

2023-11-10 Thread Steve Leyton
Thanks Jamie. I just got it from Kevin Hall – I should have called tech support in the first place… SL From: Jamie Seidl Sent: Friday, November 10, 2023 11:05 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Flow test adjustment formula

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Flow test adjustment formula

2023-11-10 Thread Jamie Seidl
If I remember correctly, you can convert your outlet (Flow and pressure) to a K factor K=Q/√P then just solve for P with your flow number (Q/K)₂. Jamie Seidl On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 1:28 PM Steve Leyton wrote: > Happy Friday everyone: > > Once I’ve taken a flow test, I know th

[Sprinklerforum] Flow test adjustment formula

2023-11-10 Thread Steve Leyton
Happy Friday everyone: Once I’ve taken a flow test, I know the formula for adjusting the flow at a particular residual pressure; it’s published in NFPA 291. But I’ve lost my notes on the corollary formula for calculating the residual pressure at a particular flow – does anyone have

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Test

2023-11-09 Thread George Medina Jr.
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[Sprinklerforum] Re: test

2023-08-09 Thread Thomas Reinhardt
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2023-08-09 Thread Gregg Fontes
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[Sprinklerforum] Test

2023-04-25 Thread Hinson, Ryan
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[Sprinklerforum] Re: pipes Hydrostatic test in NFPA 2001: Clean Agents vs Dirty Agents: Risk Tolerance

2023-03-30 Thread Steve Leyton
From: å... Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2023 12:10 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] pipes Hydrostatic test in NFPA 2001: Clean Agents vs Dirty Agents: Risk Tolerance I too worked on projects where the client and EoR called

[Sprinklerforum] pipes Hydrostatic test in NFPA 2001: Clean Agents vs Dirty Agents: Risk Tolerance

2023-03-30 Thread å . . . . . . .
I too worked on projects where the client and EoR called for 'dirty agent' (aka clean agent) systems. What did the client get with their decision? Systems egregiously more expensive, that didn't work and which released toxic gases. It took more effort than it should have to prove: 1).

[Sprinklerforum] Re: pipes Hydrostatic test in NFPA 2001: Clean Agents vs Dirty Agents

2023-03-29 Thread Ken Wagoner
Brett, Excellent information. I've worked on several projects where a clean agent system was called for by the EOR or the building occupants. Now this was some time ago before cloud storage began to be more prevalent, however the reasons provided by those generating the project specs had

[Sprinklerforum] Re: pipes Hydrostatic test in NFPA 2001: Clean Agents vs Dirty Agents

2023-03-29 Thread Brett Peters
Scot I don't disagree but one thing that water is not is friendly to electronic equipment and "clean agent" type systems are not necessarily considered "clean" because of environmental issues, even though I know they push that argument but the "agent" doesn't cause any damage or require any clean

[Sprinklerforum] Re: pipes Hydrostatic test in NFPA 2001: Clean Agents vs Dirty Agents

2023-03-28 Thread BRUCE VERHEI
What has posterity ever done for me? > On 03/28/2023 2:27 AM å... wrote: > > > > Whoever conned or bribed the NFPA and FMGlobal into allowing the name > 'clean agent' to be used for fluorinated gas suppression systems got away > with murder. > > And while they are stable,

[Sprinklerforum] Re: [EXTERNAL] pipes Hydrostatic test in NFPA 2001: Clean Agents vs Dirty Agents

2023-03-28 Thread Kyle . Montgomery
2:27 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Sprinklerforum] pipes Hydrostatic test in NFPA 2001: Clean Agents vs Dirty Agents Whoever conned or bribed the NFPA and FMGlobal into allowing the name 'clean agent' to be used for fluorinated

[Sprinklerforum] pipes Hydrostatic test in NFPA 2001: Clean Agents vs Dirty Agents

2023-03-28 Thread å . . . . . . .
Whoever conned or bribed the NFPA and FMGlobal into allowing the name 'clean agent' to be used for fluorinated gas suppression systems got away with murder. And while they are stable, until they are not (i.e. decompose in the fire or after some time short of 'forever'...) Many of these

[Sprinklerforum] Re: pipes Hydrostatic test in NFPA2001

2023-03-27 Thread Daniel Bobadilla
using nitrogen or other dry gas (10.4.14). The pipe shall be pressurized to at least 40 psi (10.4.14.1). After removing the source of pressurizing gas, the pressure in the pipe shall not be less than 80 percent of the test pressure after 10 minutes. (10.4.14.2) The pressure test shall be permitted

[Sprinklerforum] Re: pipes Hydrostatic test in NFPA2001

2023-03-27 Thread Tom Wellen
gt;  > Hello, > > I am in the start-up phase of a project to protect electrical rooms using a > NOVEC 1230 gas extinguishing system. > > And I want to know, is the hydrostatic test of the piping installed required > by NFPA2001, if so, please communicate the NFPA artic

[Sprinklerforum] pipes Hydrostatic test in NFPA2001

2023-03-27 Thread RACHID SAADAOUI
Hello, I am in the start-up phase of a project to protect electrical rooms using a NOVEC 1230 gas extinguishing system. And I want to know, is the hydrostatic test of the piping installed required by NFPA2001, if so, please communicate the NFPA article in detail Thanks, RACHID SAADAOUI Head

[Sprinklerforum] Re: TEST

2022-07-21 Thread MaryKay DiMaggio
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RE: Fire Flow Test for SFR

2021-06-14 Thread Steve Leyton via Sprinklerforum
forum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Owen Evans via Sprinklerforum Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 6:54 AM To: Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Cc: Owen Evans Subject: Fire Flow Test for SFR Has anyone had an AHJ require a fire flow test for a single family residence situated in a metropo

RE: Fire Flow Test for SFR

2021-06-14 Thread Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum
get the information verified. So, tell the POR to do the correct work on the plan side in the beginning on the next project and get the flow test done – with appropriate markup – on this project so you can move on to the next one. I can’t tell you how many times we come across things like

RE: Fire Flow Test for SFR

2021-06-14 Thread Matthew J Willis via Sprinklerforum
Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Owen Evans via Sprinklerforum Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 7:54 AM To: Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Cc: Owen Evans Subject: Fire Flow Test for SFR Has anyone had an AHJ require a fire flow test for a single family residence situated in a metropolitan

RE: Fire Flow Test for SFR

2021-06-14 Thread Matt Grise via Sprinklerforum
ent. We don't design or install the system, so there is nothing we can do if it does not work. Matt -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Owen Evans via Sprinklerforum Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 8:54 AM To: Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Cc: Owen Evans Subject: Fire Flow Test

Fire Flow Test for SFR

2021-06-14 Thread Owen Evans via Sprinklerforum
Has anyone had an AHJ require a fire flow test for a single family residence situated in a metropolitan area? Not for the purpose of calculations but to ensure the municipal water delivery system could handle  the 500 gpm required  (1000 gpm per California Residential Fire Code minus a 500 gpm

Re: Forward flow test of BFP

2021-04-24 Thread Ken Wagoner via Sprinklerforum
needs to be created with roughly the same cross-sectional area as the system riser." So, if the opening you're proposing to use has the same area as the system riser it should be an acceptable means of achieving that test.  I fail to see any guidance to the contrary from NFPA. -- *Ken Wa

Re: Forward flow test of BFP

2021-04-23 Thread Mike Morey via Sprinklerforum
is.m...@mfpdesign.com Subject: Forward flow test of BFP BE ADVISED - This email originated outside EMCOR. Has anyone had a plan reviewer not accept a hydrant or standpipes as means to forward flow test a backflow preventer? We have a project with a backflow in the vault on the fire

Forward flow test of BFP

2021-04-23 Thread Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum
Has anyone had a plan reviewer not accept a hydrant or standpipes as means to forward flow test a backflow preventer? We have a project with a backflow in the vault on the fire line. Downstream of that is a hydrant. Then in the building we have standpipes. This is a light hazard system

RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Fire pump test through flow meter

2021-04-20 Thread Kyle.Montgomery via Sprinklerforum
a difference. -Kyle M -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Fpdcdesign via Sprinklerforum Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 2:29 PM To: Sprinklerforum Cc: Fpdcdesign Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Fire pump test through flow meter The question is now moot because they went

Re: Fire pump test through flow meter

2021-04-19 Thread Fpdcdesign via Sprinklerforum
The question is now moot because they went and tested the pump by actually flowing water and it ran fine. The problem lies in the testing process and that is someone else’s headache. > > On Apr 19, 2021 at 5:05 PM,

RE: Fire pump test through flow meter

2021-04-19 Thread Tom Duross via Sprinklerforum
I bet if there was a partially closed gate, or a check, or a blockage; that might cause it. Are they’re any good resources about testing a fire pump with a flow meter where it feeds back into the suction piping? I have been given a couple of tests with very screwy results. Thanks

Fire pump test through flow meter

2021-04-19 Thread Fpdcdesign via Sprinklerforum
Are they’re any good resources about testing a fire pump with a flow meter where it feeds back into the suction piping? I have been given a couple of tests with very screwy results. Thanks Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT

RE: Back flow flow test

2021-04-11 Thread Mike Morey via Sprinklerforum
there it's not difficult to come up with area x density or sqrt p x k x number of heads to get a GPM, add 10-20% for safety, you have a pretty good number. Arguably anyone willing to do a BFP forward flow test ought to be willing to cover the expense of a system analysis, but if they're just

Back flow flow test

2021-04-11 Thread Taylor and Sons via Sprinklerforum
NFPA 25 2014 Edition, section 13.6.2.1 I have a 6” Ames 2000 SS that I need to forward flow test. Down stream of the #2 OS control valve I have a 6” elbow, a 12” section of 6” pipe on the vertical, Then a 6x6x4 tee (4” to the FDC), then on top if the Tee a 6 “ dry valve. 13.6.2.1 says we

RE: UL Test Standard for threaded FP fittings

2020-11-05 Thread Steve Leyton via Sprinklerforum
: UL Test Standard for threaded FP fittings 1. There are several manufacturers of DI fittings. We currently are using Smith-Cooper but they merged with Anvil late last year and have been trying to work out details since. Ward has been trying to bring out a line for years but as far as I know

RE: UL Test Standard for threaded FP fittings

2020-11-05 Thread Dennis Wilson via Sprinklerforum
via Sprinklerforum Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 10:05 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Steve Leyton Subject: UL Test Standard for threaded FP fittings Forumites: We've been asked to compare cast, malleable and ductile threaded fittings on a public project. Malleable and

Re: UL Test Standard for threaded FP fittings

2020-11-05 Thread Jeff Normand via Sprinklerforum
listed ductile threaded fittings. Who can answer the > following: > > 1. Besides Anvil, who else manufactures threaded ductile? > 2. What is the UL test standard # for threaded metallic fittings? > 3. When did the first listed ductile threaded fittings come on market? > 4. Where do

Re: UL Test Standard for threaded FP fittings

2020-11-05 Thread Richard Mote via Sprinklerforum
My unscientific answers below. 1.  Besides Anvil, who else manufactures threaded ductile?     I don't know where TYCO gets them from but my previous employer got theirs from TYCO 2.  What is the UL test standard # for threaded metallic fittings? 3.  When did the first listed ductile threaded

UL Test Standard for threaded FP fittings

2020-11-05 Thread Steve Leyton via Sprinklerforum
the following: 1. Besides Anvil, who else manufactures threaded ductile? 2. What is the UL test standard # for threaded metallic fittings? 3. When did the first listed ductile threaded fittings come on market? 4. Where does ductile fall on the cost scale compared to cast and malleable? 5

Re: AutoSPRINK Test Calc

2020-09-22 Thread Shawn Foor via Sprinklerforum
send it to me On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 7:04 AM Brian Harris via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > Would anybody on here that uses AutoSPRINK be willing to take a look at a > file I'm working on? Calc's are way off, IMO, and I'm think it's something > wonky with my

RE: AutoSPRINK Test Calc

2020-09-22 Thread cliff--- via Sprinklerforum
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 8:04 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Brian Harris Subject: AutoSPRINK Test Calc Would anybody on here that uses AutoSPRINK be willing to take a look at a file I'm working on? Calc's are way off, IMO, and I'm think it's something wonky with my

AutoSPRINK Test Calc

2020-09-22 Thread Brian Harris via Sprinklerforum
Would anybody on here that uses AutoSPRINK be willing to take a look at a file I'm working on? Calc's are way off, IMO, and I'm think it's something wonky with my file. Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. Design Manager bvssystemsinc.com Phone: 704.896.9989 Fax:

Re: Water Supply Test

2020-06-03 Thread BRUCE VERHEI via Sprinklerforum
I’m a little cautious without seeing a sketch to make sure I’m seeing the situation correctly, but yes, I’ve used alternate connection locations for the gauge. i know my water department has made a pair of matching taps on matching dead ends so we could make a series of test prior to major

Re: Water Supply Test

2020-06-03 Thread Mike B Morey via Sprinklerforum
For what it's worth, NFPA 291 is not a standard, it's a "recommended practice", also in most jurisdictions it's not adopted as a law/rule/etc. Also the only "body" material in NFPA 13 (and 24) states the volume and pressure are to be determined from waterflow test data or ot

Water Supply Test

2020-06-03 Thread Jamie Seidl via Sprinklerforum
Hello Forum, I have an odd situation that I haven't come across before. We requested a water test and received a water test from the fire department for a project that incorporated a private hydrant. The test was performed on the private hydrant but since there was only a single hydrant

Re: UPDATE! Water purveyor requiring fire flow test for 13D calcs

2019-11-27 Thread Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum
There is a simple way to deal with the problem: Include the cost of the flow test in your pricing. The costs gets passed on to your client. Sure, it’s a pointless cost. But, many jurisdictions have pointless costs that just go along with the costs of doing business. I agree it would

Re: UPDATE! Water purveyor requiring fire flow test for 13D calcs

2019-11-27 Thread Bruce Verhei via Sprinklerforum
w: The water purveyor, after 19 years of providing static pressure only > for the development of 13D calculations, is now requiring a fire flow test > for 13D systems at a cost of $600.00. > > I emailed and asked the operations manager for the water purveyor to provide > me the j

UPDATE! Water purveyor requiring fire flow test for 13D calcs

2019-11-27 Thread Owen Evans via Sprinklerforum
Review: The water purveyor, after 19 years of providing static pressure only for the development of 13D calculations, is now requiring a fire flow test for 13D systems at a cost of $600.00. I emailed and asked the operations manager for the water purveyor to provide me the justification

NFPA 30-B, Plastic Cans, FMGlobal Full Scale test.

2019-11-12 Thread Bruce Verhei via Sprinklerforum
FMGlobal tests of container type novel to me. Best. Bruce Verhei https://www.fmglobal.com/research-and-resources/standards-and-certification/~/media/4A15FE3BE13A4110BAA7F8231884A7ED.ashx ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list

RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Water supply test data

2019-08-28 Thread Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum
-hydrant flow test became critical was for a project with a large fire flow requirement. A typical single outlet, single hydrant test was performed and they had about 700 actual gpm flowing and at 20 psi we should be able to meet the fire flow demand. But the system test pressures weren’t really

Re: Water supply test data

2019-08-28 Thread Bruce Verhei via Sprinklerforum
It’s not a bad thing to have for instructional purposes. It can emphasize that higher flows give better results. It is shocking how consistent the accepted model is. Best. Bruce Verhei > On Aug 28, 2019, at 09:04, Sprinkler Academy - C Bilbo via Sprinklerforum > wrote: > > Looks

Re: Water supply test data

2019-08-28 Thread Skyler Bilbo via Sprinklerforum
This flow test was done in Mattoon, IL: PressureFlow 40 PSI @ 0 GPM 36 PSI @ 376 GPM 27 PSI @ 752 GPM 20 PSI @ 931 GPM -Skyler On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 9:10 AM Mitchell, Scott via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > Mentoring/Training >

RE: Water supply test data

2019-08-28 Thread Mitchell, Scott via Sprinklerforum
Mentoring/Training I want to demonstrate by way of an example test how each residual pressure/flow rate point will fall on the same graphed line on the n1.85 chart. Thank you, J. Scott Mitchell, PE Senior Fire Protection Engineer Mission Engineering CNS PTX / Y-12 | 865-576-5258 From

Re: Water supply test data

2019-08-28 Thread Fpdcdesign via Sprinklerforum
A flow test with multiple residual pressures is often done as a hydraulic gradient to determine where a potential problem exists in a water main. I haven’t done one in a while but may have something deep in the archives. Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design

RE: Water supply test data

2019-08-28 Thread Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum
m On Behalf Of Mitchell, Scott via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 9:51 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Mitchell, Scott Subject: [EXTERNAL] Water supply test data Does anyone happen to have records of a single water supply test in which multiple residual pressures w

Re: Water supply test data

2019-08-28 Thread Skyler Bilbo via Sprinklerforum
A fire pump flow test would typically have this information. You could just look at the inlet pressure and the flow. The backflow preventer might complicate things slightly. It would be helpful to know why you need this information. Thanks, Skyler Bilbo On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 8:52 AM

Water supply test data

2019-08-28 Thread Mitchell, Scott via Sprinklerforum
Does anyone happen to have records of a single water supply test in which multiple residual pressures were recorded at multiple flow rates – for example, where additional outlets or hydrants are used after the initial flow rate and residual pressure are captured? Any help is appreciated

RE: Water Test From Storage Tank

2019-05-17 Thread Mike Stossel
From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Glen Buelow, Inc. Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 12:45 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Water Test From Storage Tank Vince, I can't! I am afraid my head will explode. [https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download=0B7SYmRowbxfLWWlIRHA2U

Re: Water Test From Storage Tank

2019-05-16 Thread Glen Buelow, Inc.
20.7201 >> <330.220.7201> *●* Akron 330.665.4439 <330.665.4439>* >> >> >> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 2:26 PM Vince Sabolik wrote: >> >>> Height x .434 = Starting psi at top. >>> >>> Less friction loss at flow (pick a flow) &

Re: Water Test From Storage Tank

2019-05-16 Thread Vince Sabolik
Akron 330.665.4439 <330.665.4439>* > > >On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 2:26 PM Vince Sabolik wrote: > >> Height x .434 = Starting psi at top. >> >> Less friction loss at flow (pick a flow) >> >> Your flow test complete with a K factor! >> >> &g

Re: Water Test From Storage Tank

2019-05-16 Thread Glen Buelow, Inc.
t top. > > Less friction loss at flow (pick a flow) > > Your flow test complete with a K factor! > > > > > > > On 5/15/2019 11:27 AM, Mike Stossel wrote: > > I have an existing building with a sprinkler system that is supplied by a > gravity tank

Re: Water Test From Storage Tank

2019-05-15 Thread Bruce Verhei
s at flow (pick a flow) > > Your flow test complete with a K factor! > > > > > > >> On 5/15/2019 11:27 AM, Mike Stossel wrote: >> I have an existing building with a sprinkler system that is supplied by a >> gravity tank located on the roof

Re: Water Test From Storage Tank

2019-05-15 Thread AKS-Gmail-IMAP
PM, Vince Sabolik wrote: > > Height x .434 = Starting psi at top. > > Less friction loss at flow (pick a flow) > > Your flow test complete with a K factor! > > > > > > > On 5/15/2019 11:27 AM, Mike Stossel wrote: >> I have an existing b

Re: Water Test From Storage Tank

2019-05-15 Thread Vince Sabolik
Height x .434 = Starting psi at top. Less friction loss at flow (pick a flow) Your flow test complete with a K factor! On 5/15/2019 11:27 AM, Mike Stossel wrote: I have an existing building with a sprinkler system that is supplied by a gravity tank located on the roof

RE: Water Test From Storage Tank

2019-05-15 Thread Mike Stossel
rforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Water Test From Storage Tank I do a lot of this work in NYC and we just use the gravity pressure as the static number and drop 1 psi for residual pressure. Then divide the gravity tank volume by your hazard (i.e. light = 30 minutes, and ord haz = 40 minutes) for th

RE: Water Test From Storage Tank

2019-05-15 Thread Steve Mackinnon
Of Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 11:31 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Water Test From Storage Tank Computer models do it all the time. [MFP_logo_F]<http://www.mfpdesign.com/> Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET MFP Design, LLC

RE: Water Test From Storage Tank

2019-05-15 Thread Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G
eCbHNRijI%3D=0> https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten." From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Mike Stossel Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 8:27 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject:

Water Test From Storage Tank

2019-05-15 Thread Mike Stossel
I have an existing building with a sprinkler system that is supplied by a gravity tank located on the roof. They are modifying the first floor of the building that will require hydraulic calculations. Is it possible to mathematically create a waterflow test accurately, or do you need

Re: Backflow Forward Flow Test Forms

2019-04-29 Thread Bruce Verhei
PDF available from same site. > > Best. > > Bruce Verhei > > https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/4200/FldTstReport.docx > >> On Apr 29, 2019, at 09:26, wrote: >> >> Does anyone have a Standard form for this test? >> >> Jerry Van Ko

Re: Backflow Forward Flow Test Forms

2019-04-29 Thread Bruce Verhei
MS Word version. PDF available from same site. Best. Bruce Verhei https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/4200/FldTstReport.docx > On Apr 29, 2019, at 09:26, wrote: > > Does anyone have a Standard form for this test? > > Jerry Van Kolken > Millennium Fire Protectio

Backflow Forward Flow Test Forms

2019-04-29 Thread jvankolken
Does anyone have a Standard form for this test? Jerry Van Kolken Millennium Fire Protection Corp. 2950 San Luis Rey Rd. Oceanside, CA 92058 (760) 722-2722 FX 722-2730 ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http

BFP Forward flow test apparatus arrangement

2019-04-02 Thread Prahl, Craig/GVL
Does anyone have a detail for a forward flow test arrangement either using a test header or the FDC for around 1000 gpm that they’d be willing to share? Thanks, Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | craig.pr...@jacobs.com<mailto:craig.pr...@jacobs.

Re: Hydrant Flow vs Drain test

2019-03-11 Thread Bruce Verhei
at a certain pressure. > It can be equated as available water. > Keep in mind, the flow test should occur as close to the system demand as > possible. > No extrapolation. > > R/ > Matt > > Matthew J. Willis, CWBSP > Design Manager /3-D Specialist > Rapid Fire P

RE: Hydrant Flow vs Drain test

2019-03-11 Thread Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G
, March 11, 2019 2:15 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Hydrant Flow vs Drain test I do not own the link or the information. I believe it is owned by Global Asset Protection Services LLC. -Skyler On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 1:16 PM Zachary Siegrist mailto:zachary.siegr...

Re: Hydrant Flow vs Drain test

2019-03-11 Thread Skyler Bilbo
Water Measurement Using Two Inch Drain Tests", you >> will find a pretty awesome educational resource for this. Make sure you >> read the whole thing. Again, do not rely on a drain test. >> >> >> -Skyler >> __

RE: Hydrant Flow vs Drain test

2019-03-11 Thread Matthew J Willis
As others have stated, 2 separate animals. However, it is a measurable water flow at a certain pressure. It can be equated as available water. Keep in mind, the flow test should occur as close to the system demand as possible. No extrapolation. R/ Matt Matthew J. Willis, CWBSP Design Manager /3

Re: Hydrant Flow vs Drain test

2019-03-11 Thread Zachary Siegrist
t; system. There are a lot of reasons for this. If you do a quick internet > search for "Water Measurement Using Two Inch Drain Tests", you will find a > pretty awesome educational resource for this. Make sure you read the whole > thing. Again, do not rely on

RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Hydrant Flow vs Drain test

2019-03-11 Thread Kyle . Montgomery
vs Drain test A main drain test out of a 2 inch main drain valve is not capable of measuring the full capacity of the water supply on a municipal water system, nor would it yield accurate results.For example a significant pressure drop on a 2 inch main drain test would indicate a possible

Re: Hydrant Flow vs Drain test

2019-03-11 Thread Salvatore Izzo
A main drain test out of a 2 inch main drain valve is not capable of measuring the full capacity of the water supply on a municipal water system, nor would it yield accurate results.For example a significant pressure drop on a 2 inch main drain test would indicate a possible closed valve

Re: Hydrant Flow vs Drain test

2019-03-11 Thread Skyler Bilbo
will find a pretty awesome educational resource for this. Make sure you read the whole thing. Again, do not rely on a drain test. -Skyler ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/li

Re: Hydrant Flow vs Drain test

2019-03-11 Thread Fpdcdesign
) > > On Mar 11, 2019 at 11:31 AM, mailto:ken...@firetecheng.com)> > wrote: > > > > > > For additions to existing sprinkler systems, has anyone ever verified that a > 2” drain test is comparable to a hydrant flow test

Hydrant Flow vs Drain test

2019-03-11 Thread Kenan Bruce
For additions to existing sprinkler systems, has anyone ever verified that a 2" drain test is comparable to a hydrant flow test? Thanks, <http://www.firetecheng.com/> Description: http://www.firetecheng.com/images/ftsig.jpg Kenan Bruce Fire Technology, LLC 2005 Wes

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