Fire at Mental Health Facility kills 38

2013-04-26 Thread Steve Leyton
Horrible fire near Moscow yesterday. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/26/us-russia-fire-idUSBRE93P02P20 130426 Steve Leyton PROTECTION DESIGN CONSULTING 2851 Camino del Rio South, Suite 400 San Diego, CA 92108 - Ph

RE: West, TX explosion

2013-04-26 Thread Steve Leyton
of violation and you'll have an actual deterrent effect. Steve Leyton -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of mphe...@aerofire.com Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:23 AM

RE: check valves on dry standpipes

2013-05-02 Thread Steve Leyton
@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Steve Leyton Subject: RE: check valves on dry standpipes That is very interesting. I wonder what is the reason one is required? Steve? John August Denhardt, P.E., FSFPE Strickland Fire Protection Incorporated 5113 Berwyn Road College Park, Maryland 20740 Office Telephone Number

RE: check valves on dry standpipes

2013-05-02 Thread Steve Leyton
Another thought that you triggered with the term free standing: FDC's can be composed of single clapper and multi-clapper Siamese bodies, or built out of manifolds with separate snoots for each inlet, including snoots with spring checks built into them. So the configuration of the inlet

Listed 400psi weld-o-lets

2013-05-07 Thread Steve Leyton
Anyone know of a LISTED welded outlet fitting rated 400psi? Have only found 300psi to date ... Hey Brad, you have an algorithm to predict burst strength on a 300psi fitting ... er, no. Wait. Don't. Never mind. Steve Leyton PROTECTION DESIGN CONSULTING 2851 Camino del Rio South

RE: Listed 400psi weld-o-lets

2013-05-07 Thread Steve Leyton
24400 Highland Rd rm 25, CLE 44143 216-621-8899 216-570-7030 Cell WWW.ATCOfirepro.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 2:27 PM

Re: Listed 400psi weld-o-lets

2013-05-07 Thread Steve Leyton
Concur. My guess is that you could go 4:1 on a groove-o-let up to the same rating as a Vic 75. Ironically, if we can't find a welded solution to satisfy this very particular AHJ, then we will use grooved saddles which are listed for the same working pressure as the couplings attached to them.

Re: Slatted Wood Ceilings

2013-05-10 Thread Steve Leyton
We see this condition quite a lot and we protect above and below. Steve Leyton Brian Harris bhar...@bvssystemsinc.com wrote: All- Working on a project that has a suspended slatted wood ceiling in the lobby. The ceiling is made up of 4 wide wood strips with ½ gap in between each slat, I

RE: Reclaimed water and sprinkler systems

2013-05-10 Thread Steve Leyton
, but the overall quality of reclaimed water is controlled by the water purveyor. You may want to contact them about the level of suspended solids or other adulterants. Steve Leyton -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun

RE: Sizing tanks with hydrants?

2013-05-13 Thread Steve Leyton
% is the most popular, I think ... Steve Leyton -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 10:19 AM To: sprinklerfo...@firesprinkler.org Subject: Sizing

RE: Sizing tanks with hydrants?

2013-05-13 Thread Steve Leyton
That's only part of it: you size the tank for the greater of (sprinklers + HSA) or the fire flow demand, whichever is greater when calculated as flow x duration. Steve L. -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org

RE: Sizing tanks with hydrants?

2013-05-13 Thread Steve Leyton
Still not semantically correct. You don't have to proved fire flow and sprinkler demand concurrently. Sprinkler demand is calculated as (sprinkler design area + hose stream allowance) x duration. Fire flow is just fire flow. You determine the most demanding and the water supply volume has to

RE: Sizing tanks with hydrants?

2013-05-13 Thread Steve Leyton
Greenman Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 10:37 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Sizing tanks with hydrants? Won't fire flow always exceed sprinkies and hose allowance? On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Steve Leyton st...@protectiondesign.comwrote: That's only part of it: you

RE: Sizing tanks with hydrants?

2013-05-13 Thread Steve Leyton
Game and fire sprinkler density upgrades ... Steve Leyton -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C] Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 11:12 AM To: sprinklerforum

RE: NFPA 13: 11.1.2 (separation between hazards)

2013-05-13 Thread Steve Leyton
In traditional architectural terms a lintel is the piece between two vertical supports over a portal, so it could (and often is) used to describe the header span not only over doors but also windows. SML -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org

RE: Skylights

2013-05-15 Thread Steve Leyton
So this lens creates a flat and continuous projection along the plane of the underside of the roof? Agree that you don't need a sprinkler in the skylight ... unless you consider the space above the lens to be a combustible concealed space. Steve Leyton -Original Message- From

RE: NFPA 22 Minimum tank size for a Break-Tank

2013-05-17 Thread Steve Leyton
one valve, break it up into 3 or 4 smaller valves, to diffuse the thrust of that 2,000 gpm inflow. And pipe fill lines horizontally across the tank to the other side, so that water drops in as far away from the pump suction fitting as possible. Steve Leyton -Original Message- From

RE: calc procedure logic

2013-05-21 Thread Steve Leyton
Chris forgot to ask where babies come from. The answer - as I understand it - to the 52,000 sq. ft. question is ... mildly amusing. SL -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org on behalf of George Church Sent: Tue 5/21/2013 1:58 PM To:

RE: 13R local alarm

2013-05-29 Thread Steve Leyton
/interior audible alarm device, please send me that info off forum at your very earliest convenience. If such an item doesn't yet exist, perhaps the good people at Potter or System Sensor or another manufacturer will see a business opportunity ... Steve Leyton -Original Message- From

RE: Fire Pump - Pressue Relief Valve

2013-06-03 Thread Steve Leyton
Sorry for the late chime in - I'm (theoretically) on vacation and don't have NFPA 20 with me. As already stated, the 20 yields to other standards that may incorporate a fire pump into an approved water supply - 13, 14, 24, etc. Where 20 ends isn't defined, but the discharge control valve

RE: Containing Sprinkler Runoff.

2013-06-04 Thread Steve Leyton
Of course not. Don't let logic interfere with perfectly good regulatory thinking. Steve Mark A. Sornsin, P.E. masorn...@kfi-eng.com wrote: Is there any concern about water runoff from hose streams in the event the fire sprinkler system was shut off during a fire? Mark A. Sornsin, P.E. |

RE: adjusting the K-Factor with our bare hands

2013-06-11 Thread Steve Leyton
I've been hanging blinds, and just now have the time to note this most extraordinary turn of the thread. I got nothing - this may be the greatest correspondence in the history of the Forum. Remember back in 1997 or thereabout, when an errant email home from some kid in the Midwest (no, not

RE: routing sprinkler pipe through a duct

2013-06-12 Thread Steve Leyton
. The MEOR should do a quick look-see calc' to assure that there isn't excessive friction loss from the sleeve(s) in the stream. Steve Leyton -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf

RE: water test without hydrants

2013-06-19 Thread Steve Leyton
Be sure they're not on the downstream side of domestic regulators. SL -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org on behalf of Todd - Work Sent: Wed 6/19/2013 6:14 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: water test without hydrants I am

RE: ECOH Heads w/o glass bulb

2013-06-20 Thread Steve Leyton
That's a funny statement, We can't have glass bulbs. Why is that, because an architect said, No glass bulbs? Steve Leyton -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of rfletc

RE: George L. Church, Jr.

2013-06-27 Thread Steve Leyton
of spending time with him - and Cathy - away from business, away from the stress. He was a really good guy; what you saw was what you got. One of the two or three most sincere and real people I will ever know, and I'm going to miss him very much. Steve Leyton -Original Message- From

RE: Standpipe Design Question

2013-07-07 Thread Steve Leyton
Those are mechanical restrictors that only operate on residual pressure. If system pressure doesn't exceed 175 psi, the prescriptive code says you don't need them, but it's a good idea to check with the responding fire dept. just to be sure they're okay with regular valves and the existing

RE: High Temp Heads in Cooler

2013-07-08 Thread Steve Leyton
Also if there's storage. We're working with two large 26' high walk-ins currently. Steve Richard Carr rc...@coxfire.com wrote: Yes, they have a defrost mode that will pop a head of 155 deg. Richard Carr, SET Branch Manager Cox Fire Protection, Inc 6555 Grace Lane. Jacksonville, Fl. 32205

RE: FDC Arrangement

2013-07-11 Thread Steve Leyton
What Richard said. Steve Richard Carr rc...@coxfire.com wrote: As long as you call the gate on the BFP your system control valve and underground is rated for 200, you should be fine, see it all the time. Richard Carr, SET Branch Manager Cox Fire Protection, Inc 6555 Grace Lane. Jacksonville,

RE: NFPA 13R closet question

2013-07-17 Thread Steve Leyton
I meant to say, ... EVEN if said equipment is gas fired in the last sentence. Steve -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:32 AM

Re: Home Fire Sprinkler Guidance - New Jersey

2013-07-25 Thread Steve Leyton
Thank you for that good news and a hoorah to the NJ legislature. Steve John Drucker - Home john.druc...@verizon.net wrote: Members Today the State of New Jersey, Department of Community Affairs, Division of Codes and Standards issued a guidance document to code officials with regards to home

RE: Paint booth

2013-07-26 Thread Steve Leyton
Yes, but if it's not rated I would say you need to do a design for EH II that encompasses the booth, the mixing room, and adjacent spaces (assuming no 2-hour separations from adjacent uses) up to the required design area in 11.2.3.1.1. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA

RE: Paint booth

2013-07-26 Thread Steve Leyton
it will make a big difference in the water supply and storage. J.P. Merlino -Mensaje original- De: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] En nombre de Steve Leyton Enviado el: viernes, 26 de julio de 2013 02:10 p.m. Para

RE: green grooved fittings

2013-07-26 Thread Steve Leyton
Gustin-Bacon perhaps? Steve Mike Hairfield fsl...@msn.com wrote: I remember the Riken Top Brand Line but they were gray, but the same take-outs as Vic. Mike Subject: green grooved fittings From: t...@fpdc.com Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 11:07:19 -0400 To:

Re: Paint booth

2013-07-26 Thread Steve Leyton
, IBC, IMC, and adopted electrical code. Was the booth installed under benefit of permit? bv - Original Message - From: Steve Leyton st...@protectiondesign.com To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:14:37 PM Subject: RE: Paint booth Not sure there's

RE: SIGN for Backflow Prevention Assembly Forward Flow Test

2013-07-29 Thread Steve Leyton
The required flow is the highest system demand. This has been in 25 for (somebody help me out here) at least two cycles, I believe? You can use the main drain if you can develop enough flow, you can modify the main drain connection possibly to create multiple connections, you can modify and

RE: SIGN for Backflow Prevention Assembly Forward Flow Test

2013-07-29 Thread Steve Leyton
a permit I simple chart would be awesome - IN THE BOOK - so we have something to point to. Greg On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Steve Leyton st...@protectiondesign.com wrote: The required flow is the highest system demand. This has been in 25 for (somebody

RE: SIGN for Backflow Prevention Assembly Forward Flow Test - MELTDOWN ALERT

2013-07-29 Thread Steve Leyton
a 2 main drain is fine for everything, some say prove the size before you pull a permit I simple chart would be awesome - IN THE BOOK - so we have something to point to. Greg On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Steve Leyton st...@protectiondesign.com wrote: The required flow

RE: Home Fire Sprinkler Guidance - New Jersey

2013-07-29 Thread Steve Leyton
Zachary. If Ben's a true Ponderosan, he's organically opposed to paying taxes at all, let alone higher taxes. The cost of fire to our communities is too high for the revenue bases that fire departments have to work with. Response times are getting longer. Some cities with extraordinary

Free webinar

2013-07-31 Thread Steve Leyton
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RE: Free webinar

2013-07-31 Thread Steve Leyton
My BAD It's a $115 fee ... the freebie was Monday and I apologize for butchering that. Steve Leyton -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Wednesday

RE: Valves on BFP

2013-08-01 Thread Steve Leyton
Zachary. Unless it was furnished by the manufacturer less valves. But my understanding is they can't do that because there's no way to test it according to the USC method for certification. Steve John Denhardt jdenha...@stricklandfire.com wrote: With no control vale on the discharge of the

RE: Valves on BFP

2013-08-01 Thread Steve Leyton
-certifications as required by most water districts. Steve Leyton -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Tony Silva Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 10:03 AM To: sprinklerforum

Heat trace question

2013-08-01 Thread Steve Leyton
Help a warm weather brother out please, with recommendations for heat trace systems. Price, reliability, branch line listings? Steve Leyton PROTECTION DESIGN CONSULTING 2851 Camino del Rio South, Suite 400 San Diego, CA 92108

RE: Heat trace question

2013-08-01 Thread Steve Leyton
- this was a big system in a 100'-0+ tower w/standpipes etc.. It ended up needing two panels for supervisory due to the length of the cables, etc. Bobby On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Steve Leyton st...@protectiondesign.comwrote: Help a warm weather brother out please, with recommendations for heat trace

RE: Heat trace question

2013-08-01 Thread Steve Leyton
a drum drip at the other end? 1/4 per 10' of main = 2 1/2 in 100'   Thanks, J. Lewis From: Steve Leyton st...@protectiondesign.com To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:15 PM Subject: RE: Heat trace question

RE: Heat trace question

2013-08-01 Thread Steve Leyton
allowed in 13/2013-7.1.3? On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Steve Leyton st...@protectiondesign.comwrote: These are two isolated areas at a hospital - one over some outdoor seating at the dining common and the other a canopy that covers trash enclosures and a couple of service enclosures. Both

RE: Valves on BFP

2013-08-02 Thread Steve Leyton
: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefire.com Celebrating over 34 years of life safety -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 1:15 PM

RE: Horizontal dry standpipe

2013-08-03 Thread Steve Leyton
Dude has egress issues. Let's see, a 97' tall structure made entire of wood with uneven flooring and absolutely no consideration made to any applicable code, apparently. And the media coverage is of the FM-as-Grinch. I mean, what could go wrong? SL -Original Message- From:

RE: Horizontal dry standpipe

2013-08-04 Thread Steve Leyton
The article said that the closing of the building disappointed the hundreds of visitors he gets. I'd say that people wandering around in a non-compliant 10,000 sq. ft. tinderbox, presumably without compliant exits, signage, occupant notification, sprinklers, etc., etc., etc. would trump

RE: Assembly Fire Sprinklers

2013-08-05 Thread Steve Leyton
exceeds 5,000 sq. ft., contains more than a fire area with a Group A-2 occupancy, and is separated into two or more buildings by fire walls of less than four hour fire resistance rating without openings. Steve Leyton -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org

RE: Special Situations (8.15)

2013-08-05 Thread Steve Leyton
cursing in Spanish? Watch a finishing crew that has to meticulously mud sheetrock up to the firestop assemblies at each of the dozens of drops that penetrate that one-hour lid at the top of the plenum space. Steve Leyton -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun

RE: Special Situations (8.15)

2013-08-05 Thread Steve Leyton
as well. Steve Leyton -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Roland Huggins Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 1:08 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Special

RE: 13 13R

2013-08-12 Thread Steve Leyton
of the dwelling units). The foregoing is my opinion only and does not necessarily represent the opinion or intent of the NFPA 13D/13R Technical Committee on Residential Sprinkler Systems. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun

RE: High rise- non seismic zone - 2 water supplies?

2013-08-13 Thread Steve Leyton
to buildings that are taller than the responding FD's capacity to pump. The foregoing is my opinion only and does not necessarily represent the opinion or intent of the NFPA 14 Technical Committee on Standpipe and Hose Systems. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA

RE: High rise- non seismic zone - 2 water supplies?

2013-08-13 Thread Steve Leyton
connections, as justified it as being capable of supply from two different legs of the muni system. Steve Leyton -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C] Sent

RE: High rise- non seismic zone - 2 water supplies?

2013-08-13 Thread Steve Leyton
codified an amendment that requires at least 30 minutes of standpipe water. In Los Angeles, they require standpipe demand x highest sprinkler hazard class duration, so if you have OH parking or retail you have to go 750 or 1000 x 60 minutes and you get some pretty big reservoirs. Steve Leyton

RE: High rise- non seismic zone - 2 water supplies?

2013-08-13 Thread Steve Leyton
don't oppose that approach. Steve Leyton -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Martinez, Dewayne Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 11:00 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org

RE: Car Stacker in parking garage

2013-08-13 Thread Steve Leyton
I wish I had a pat answer for you, but it's going to vary from AHJ to AHJ. This has been a topic of conversation on FPO chat forums here. SML -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of

RE: Car Stacker in parking garage

2013-08-14 Thread Steve Leyton
Geza - will you please send that directly to me off-forum? AFSA list-server doesn't do attachments. Steve Leyton -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Geza Szakats Sent

Academy of Fire Sprinkler Technology

2013-08-14 Thread Steve Leyton
, please contact Cecil at your earliest opportunity. URL: www.sprinkleracademy.com Email:ce...@sprinkleracademy.com Steve Leyton PROTECTION DESIGN CONSULTING 2851 Camino del Rio South, Suite 400 San Diego, CA 92108

RE: Equivalent Length of Dry Sprinkler for Hyd Calcs

2013-08-15 Thread Steve Leyton
the various tube and spring assemblies, I'd wager they've got the net K or pressure loss available. Steve Leyton -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org on behalf of Matt Grise Sent: Thu 8/15/2013 6:40 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE

RE: CPVC sprinkler pipe use in Texas

2013-08-21 Thread Steve Leyton
We've used it in residential wood-framed buildings near Beaumont. Steve L. -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brad Casterline Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 12:37 PM To:

RE: Hanging from Purlins

2013-08-26 Thread Steve Leyton
Is a C-channel or Z-channel that you're asking about? The term purlin can refer to the shaped members commonly used in engineered structures, but by definition a purlin is any member that is born by the primary members (beams, girders, trusses) and which directly bears either the roof or smaller

RE: Hanging from Purlins

2013-08-26 Thread Steve Leyton
-purlins. Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. bvssytemsinc.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:36 AM To: sprinklerforum

RE: Hanging from Purlins

2013-08-26 Thread Steve Leyton
-Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:46 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Hanging from Purlins As others have said

Remote fire pump start

2013-08-26 Thread Steve Leyton
? Thanks, Steve Leyton PROTECTION DESIGN CONSULTING 2851 Camino del Rio South, Suite 400 San Diego, CA 92108 - Ph: 858.751.2930 - ext. 102 Fax:858.751.2933 Cell: 619.972.5696

RE: Remote fire pump start

2013-08-26 Thread Steve Leyton
: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:59 PM To: sprinklerfo...@firesprinkler.org Subject: Remote fire pump start I was asked about this product and fail to see any real value

RE: Protecting Pipe in unsprinklered space

2013-08-30 Thread Steve Leyton
I've been on an airplane, so couldn't respond but ... what he said. SL -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org on behalf of Roland Huggins Sent: Fri 8/30/2013 10:34 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Protecting Pipe in

RE: Small Chemical Storage Room

2013-09-03 Thread Steve Leyton
What kinds/quantities of chemicals? Flammable gasses? This is so subjective ... it could be an EH II just as surely as an OH II. Steve Leyton -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf

Massive warehouse fire in NJ hampered by roof top solar panels

2013-09-03 Thread Steve Leyton
fell - the pix tell a compelling story. Steve Leyton PROTECTION DESIGN CONSULTING 2851 Camino del Rio South, Suite 400 San Diego, CA 92108 - Ph: 858.751.2930 - ext. 102 Fax:858.751.2933 Cell: 619.972.5696 http

RE: San Diego Fires

2007-10-22 Thread Steve Leyton
or more. As bad as things were 4 years ago, this is looking a lot worse. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Drucker Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 1:52 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org

RE: San Diego Fires

2007-10-22 Thread Steve Leyton
Right. Except for the fact that there are about 15,000 homes directly in harm's way, some of them perhaps occupied by environmentalists. These aren't really wildland fires; they have moved quickly from grassy foothills into the suburbs. The forest management debate will have to wait for

RE: horror averted

2007-10-23 Thread Steve Leyton
At this exact moment, all of them. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:19 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: horror averted Ran

FW: [EPARADE] Sprinkler system helps contain fire at NNU dorm

2007-10-24 Thread Steve Leyton
Here's a good one: In Idaho: Sprinkler system helps contain fire at NNU dorm 10/23/2007 KTVB BOISE -- Nampa fire officials credit a sprinkler system from preventing a major fire disaster in a dormitory at Northwest Nazarene University this morning. Firefighters got a call from an

RE: Building height Limitation

2007-10-25 Thread Steve Leyton
have ordinance or policy regarding arrangement of water supplies in shorter buildings than high-rise. But so long as you don't exceed 52K s.f. of area per floor, you only need one system. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: Standpipe Zones

2007-11-05 Thread Steve Leyton
of the split. Usual disclaimer, my opinion only ... Steve Leyton Away from the office - sent from my BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Karen Purvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:25:51 To:sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Standpipe Zones Can anyone give me

Re: Standpipe Zones

2007-11-05 Thread Steve Leyton
If it's a high-rise, you'll need two FDC's, but it will still be a single zone as George says. As for deferring, all I can say is give him room on the hairpins. My opinion only ... Steve Leyton Away from the office - sent from my BlackBerry -Original Message- From: George Church

Re: Standpipe Zones

2007-11-06 Thread Steve Leyton
were concerned about draggiong the fire official into the design process. I'd be happy to write it up again with you. Steve Leyton Away from the office - sent from my BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Greg McGahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 06:57:23 To:sprinklerforum

RE: Standpipe Zones

2007-11-07 Thread Steve Leyton
that could be divided up horizontally to cover different portions of a building, but in terms of the 14 and the definitions therein, it's not a zone. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting The foregoing is my opinion only and is not intended to represent the Technical Committee on Standpipe Systems

RE: All the world's a stage

2007-11-13 Thread Steve Leyton
be provided at the proscenium to protect the separation between a legitimate stage and the A-group. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Knutson Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 5:28 PM

RE: Forum activity - Is this thing broke?

2007-11-13 Thread Steve Leyton
Randy: We're all secretly e-mailing each other but leaving you off the list. Need-to-know basis ... Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Knutson Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 3:53 PM

RE: Underground

2007-11-13 Thread Steve Leyton
, exterior walls, etc. such that you minimize underground piping under the building (10.6.4) Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Harris Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 6:20 AM

RE: All the world's a stage

2007-11-13 Thread Steve Leyton
saw there the morning after the fire, I'd be hard-pressed to justify changing the existing provisions. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:22 PM

RE: Maximum Velocity

2007-11-14 Thread Steve Leyton
the EOR is smoking so that I can at least try to get on the same page as the design team? Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roland Huggins Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:41 PM To: sprinklerforum

RE: 13 vs. 13R; 101 Referee

2007-11-16 Thread Steve Leyton
the exception of sprinklers in attics, closets, bathrooms, etc. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Willis Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 11:48 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: 13 vs

RE: Its Friday and I am a sprinkler man

2007-11-17 Thread Steve Leyton
You mean by a noose? Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Conlin Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:50 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Its Friday and I am a sprinkler man

RE: Interesting story

2007-11-21 Thread Steve Leyton
and the sumbitch blew completely out of the ground according to witnesses. But the extent of the damage to the pipe was awesome. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Williams - FPDC Sent: Wednesday

RE: Wow

2007-11-21 Thread Steve Leyton
(i.e. the NAHB, for ex.) will give him a venue and an audience. Our good friend, the late Bob Caputo and my SoCal buddy Ken Wagoner have both had their day with this fellow and they came out of the experience with anger issues and a foul odor about them. Steve Leyton Protection Design

RE: Commercial Condos - Control Valves for Tenant Spaces

2007-12-04 Thread Steve Leyton
. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Miller Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 6:52 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Commercial Condos - Control Valves for Tenant Spaces

RE: Commercial Condos - Control Valves for Tenant Spaces

2007-12-04 Thread Steve Leyton
in Las Vegas where it catastrophically freezes once every 10 years or so. We really appreciate you looking after us as always. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Tuesday, December 04

RE: Standpipes

2007-12-05 Thread Steve Leyton
system, should suitable for primary streams and attack lines, which pretty much takes small hose stations and Class II connections out of the equation. This isn't the classic mop up application ... Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting The foregoing is my opinion only and is not intended

RE: Standpipes

2007-12-05 Thread Steve Leyton
for fast attack (in a sprinklered warehouse?) then a class I would the one. Of course, as Steve says, the standpipe is for the FD and it's their requirement that needs to be met. On Dec 5, 2007 1:47 PM, Steve Leyton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a word, no. Methinks that you would go to the applicable

RE: 5 Gallon Bucket Storage

2007-12-06 Thread Steve Leyton
Sounds like exposed unexpanded, with a building height of 40'. I think the pitch is okay for ESFR, so try K25 at 50 PSI. And bring your pump. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Pugh Sent

RE: 5 Gallon Bucket Storage

2007-12-06 Thread Steve Leyton
You're right - I just stopped looking at Table A-2 after the first column ... Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Hewitt Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:55 AM To: sprinklerforum

RE: Tape and/or Dope

2007-12-07 Thread Steve Leyton
I think the point is to tape and dope the inspector ... Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Stites Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 8:37 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Tape

RE: Dick Patton

2007-12-12 Thread Steve Leyton
Hmmm, you want to write him back and ask him about the particulars or does this fall into the category of polishing a turd? (Sorry Munce - for more on polishing, see AFSA's seminar program ...) :o) Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: CPVC for Lunch

2007-12-14 Thread Steve Leyton
I've seen it too! Rats and mice can sense that there's water in the tubing; where I saw it the pipe was CPVC. Steve Leyton Away from the office - sent from my BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Mike Brown (TECH- GVL) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:23:22

RE: Sprinklers Under Deck

2007-12-17 Thread Steve Leyton
Funny, but not. If you saw the fatality statistics from the latest storms across the country, the breakdown includes categories such as Automobile-Related; Heart Attack and Indirect Medical; Trauma and ... Carbon Monoxide Poisoning. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting -Original

RE: attic space filled with non-combustible insulation

2007-12-19 Thread Steve Leyton
We've done this on many projects, but to my knowledge it was always blown in. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dewayne Martinez Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:13 AM To: sprinklerforum

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