Re: Mail Attachments - Save All or Detach All under Linux
Nuno Silva wrote: On 2020-11-18, Nuno Silva wrote: On 2020-11-18, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote: Nuno Silva wrote: On 2020-11-17, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote: I have discovered this problem which occurs on two different machines with two different versions of Seamonkey - 2.53.3 and 2.53.5 - under OpenSuse. Given a mail with multiple attachments, "Save All" or "Detach All" starts a process which takes 100% of one processor but does otherwise nothing. If I Quit Seamonkey the process remains. If I kill the process instead of Quitting Seamonkey, Seamonkey dies with the process. Saving the attachments individually works. I repeated the test on my Windows 10 machine - with 2.53.4 - and there were no problems there. Is this a Seamonkey/Linux problem or a Seamonkey/OpenSuse problem? Do you know which file picker is SeaMonkey using? What is the value of the ui.allow_platform_file_picker setting? (You can check that, for example, in about:config.) (What is the separate process that gets started?) ui.allow_platform_file_picker was set to false, that feels a bit weird. I have no idea what the separate process is, "top -i" simply identifies it as seamonkey. And is it really a separate process, and not the original seamonkey process? Could you please confirm this? ok, setting ui.allow_platform_file_picker back to the default value is as ugly as f*** but it works. Thank you very muchly. I don't know why I had changed the value but it was probably either something I read here - and which will have applied to an older level - or (less likely) something which applied to Firefox. With that setting set to false, SeaMonkey uses the XUL file picker, which I can't use with directories / when saving multiple files (bug 1661070[1]), but I didn't see a separate process using 100% CPU (I'll check again). [1] http://bugzil.la/1661070 I don't see a new, separate process, but I see the high CPU usage (in the seamonkey process) after doing Save As on multiple Mail attachments using the XUL file picker. This does not happen when I try to save multiple items in the Page Info Media tab. It may not have been a separate process, I had assumed that it was for two reasons: - Seamonkey was otherwise useable - Quitting Seamonkey closed all its windows but left the process still running To me, that meant that the real work was being carried out in a separate thread. Of course, the fact that killing the 100% process nuked an active Seamonkey was not necessarily compatible with my theory. -- spammo ergo sum, viruses courtesy of https://www.nsa.gov/malware/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mail Attachments - Save All or Detach All under Linux
On 2020-11-18, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2020-11-18, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote: > >> Nuno Silva wrote: >>> On 2020-11-17, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote: >>> >>>> I have discovered this problem which occurs on two different machines >>>> with two different versions of Seamonkey - 2.53.3 and 2.53.5 - under >>>> OpenSuse. >>>> Given a mail with multiple attachments, "Save All" or "Detach All" >>>> starts a process which takes 100% of one processor but does otherwise >>>> nothing. >>>> If I Quit Seamonkey the process remains. >>>> If I kill the process instead of Quitting Seamonkey, Seamonkey dies >>>> with the process. >>>> Saving the attachments individually works. >>>> >>>> I repeated the test on my Windows 10 machine - with 2.53.4 - and there >>>> were no problems there. >>>> Is this a Seamonkey/Linux problem or a Seamonkey/OpenSuse problem? >>> >>> Do you know which file picker is SeaMonkey using? >>> >>> What is the value of the ui.allow_platform_file_picker setting? (You can >>> check that, for example, in about:config.) >>> >>> (What is the separate process that gets started?) >>> >> >> ui.allow_platform_file_picker was set to false, that feels a bit weird. >> I have no idea what the separate process is, "top -i" simply >> identifies it as seamonkey. > > And is it really a separate process, and not the original seamonkey > process? Could you please confirm this? > >> ok, setting ui.allow_platform_file_picker back to the default value is >> as ugly as f*** but it works. Thank you very muchly. >> >> I don't know why I had changed the value but it was probably either >> something I read here - and which will have applied to an older level >> - >> or (less likely) something which applied to Firefox. > > With that setting set to false, SeaMonkey uses the XUL file picker, > which I can't use with directories / when saving multiple files > (bug 1661070[1]), but I didn't see a separate process using 100% CPU > (I'll check again). > > [1] http://bugzil.la/1661070 I don't see a new, separate process, but I see the high CPU usage (in the seamonkey process) after doing Save As on multiple Mail attachments using the XUL file picker. This does not happen when I try to save multiple items in the Page Info Media tab. -- Nuno Silva ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mail Attachments - Save All or Detach All under Linux
On 2020-11-18, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote: > Nuno Silva wrote: >> On 2020-11-17, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote: >> >>> I have discovered this problem which occurs on two different machines >>> with two different versions of Seamonkey - 2.53.3 and 2.53.5 - under >>> OpenSuse. >>> Given a mail with multiple attachments, "Save All" or "Detach All" >>> starts a process which takes 100% of one processor but does otherwise >>> nothing. >>> If I Quit Seamonkey the process remains. >>> If I kill the process instead of Quitting Seamonkey, Seamonkey dies >>> with the process. >>> Saving the attachments individually works. >>> >>> I repeated the test on my Windows 10 machine - with 2.53.4 - and there >>> were no problems there. >>> Is this a Seamonkey/Linux problem or a Seamonkey/OpenSuse problem? >> >> Do you know which file picker is SeaMonkey using? >> >> What is the value of the ui.allow_platform_file_picker setting? (You can >> check that, for example, in about:config.) >> >> (What is the separate process that gets started?) >> > > ui.allow_platform_file_picker was set to false, that feels a bit weird. > I have no idea what the separate process is, "top -i" simply > identifies it as seamonkey. And is it really a separate process, and not the original seamonkey process? Could you please confirm this? > ok, setting ui.allow_platform_file_picker back to the default value is > as ugly as f*** but it works. Thank you very muchly. > > I don't know why I had changed the value but it was probably either > something I read here - and which will have applied to an older level > - > or (less likely) something which applied to Firefox. With that setting set to false, SeaMonkey uses the XUL file picker, which I can't use with directories / when saving multiple files (bug 1661070[1]), but I didn't see a separate process using 100% CPU (I'll check again). [1] http://bugzil.la/1661070 -- Nuno Silva ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mail Attachments - Save All or Detach All under Linux
Nuno Silva wrote: On 2020-11-17, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote: I have discovered this problem which occurs on two different machines with two different versions of Seamonkey - 2.53.3 and 2.53.5 - under OpenSuse. Given a mail with multiple attachments, "Save All" or "Detach All" starts a process which takes 100% of one processor but does otherwise nothing. If I Quit Seamonkey the process remains. If I kill the process instead of Quitting Seamonkey, Seamonkey dies with the process. Saving the attachments individually works. I repeated the test on my Windows 10 machine - with 2.53.4 - and there were no problems there. Is this a Seamonkey/Linux problem or a Seamonkey/OpenSuse problem? Do you know which file picker is SeaMonkey using? What is the value of the ui.allow_platform_file_picker setting? (You can check that, for example, in about:config.) (What is the separate process that gets started?) ui.allow_platform_file_picker was set to false, that feels a bit weird. I have no idea what the separate process is, "top -i" simply identifies it as seamonkey. ok, setting ui.allow_platform_file_picker back to the default value is as ugly as f*** but it works. Thank you very muchly. I don't know why I had changed the value but it was probably either something I read here - and which will have applied to an older level - or (less likely) something which applied to Firefox. -- spammo ergo sum, viruses courtesy of https://www.nsa.gov/malware/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mail Attachments - Save All or Detach All under Linux
On 2020-11-17, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote: > I have discovered this problem which occurs on two different machines > with two different versions of Seamonkey - 2.53.3 and 2.53.5 - under > OpenSuse. > Given a mail with multiple attachments, "Save All" or "Detach All" > starts a process which takes 100% of one processor but does otherwise > nothing. > If I Quit Seamonkey the process remains. > If I kill the process instead of Quitting Seamonkey, Seamonkey dies > with the process. > Saving the attachments individually works. > > I repeated the test on my Windows 10 machine - with 2.53.4 - and there > were no problems there. > Is this a Seamonkey/Linux problem or a Seamonkey/OpenSuse problem? Do you know which file picker is SeaMonkey using? What is the value of the ui.allow_platform_file_picker setting? (You can check that, for example, in about:config.) (What is the separate process that gets started?) -- Nuno Silva ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Mail Attachments - Save All or Detach All under Linux
I have discovered this problem which occurs on two different machines with two different versions of Seamonkey - 2.53.3 and 2.53.5 - under OpenSuse. Given a mail with multiple attachments, "Save All" or "Detach All" starts a process which takes 100% of one processor but does otherwise nothing. If I Quit Seamonkey the process remains. If I kill the process instead of Quitting Seamonkey, Seamonkey dies with the process. Saving the attachments individually works. I repeated the test on my Windows 10 machine - with 2.53.4 - and there were no problems there. Is this a Seamonkey/Linux problem or a Seamonkey/OpenSuse problem? -- spammo ergo sum, viruses courtesy of https://www.nsa.gov/malware/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Attachments List in Headers Bar
No, I am not familiar with that addon. Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: Do you use the lookout add-on? Cecil Bankston wrote: Previously the list of attachments displayed in the headers bar of any e-mail that had attachments. Now I have to click the triangle in the left upper corner of the bar twice to show the list. I have not found a setting or menu option that changes that. I'm using SM 2.49.4 with Classic View layout. How can I revert to the previous attachments list display? -- C. Bankston ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Attachments List in Headers Bar
Do you use the lookout add-on? Cecil Bankston wrote: Previously the list of attachments displayed in the headers bar of any e-mail that had attachments. Now I have to click the triangle in the left upper corner of the bar twice to show the list. I have not found a setting or menu option that changes that. I'm using SM 2.49.4 with Classic View layout. How can I revert to the previous attachments list display? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Attachments List in Headers Bar
Previously the list of attachments displayed in the headers bar of any e-mail that had attachments. Now I have to click the triangle in the left upper corner of the bar twice to show the list. I have not found a setting or menu option that changes that. I'm using SM 2.49.4 with Classic View layout. How can I revert to the previous attachments list display? -- C. Bankston ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Messages with attachments being deleted.
Frog wrote on 12/07/2018 9:48 PM: Ray_Net wrote: Frog wrote on 09-07-18 23:00: Additional Information I continued my search today for the reason why wanted messages with attachments were not arriving in my SeaMonkey mail. Interestingly, I found some of these messages were sent to my never used AOL browser as trash. This information indicates to me that my virus scan software is not deleting these messages...that software at AOL is not deleting these messages...and now I believe my lost message problem is located either in SeaMonkey or MailWasher. I continue to need help with this problem. Frog You may try uninstalling MailWasher ... I think...I hope the solution to my problem has been found. I contacted AOL about my situation...mainly I asked if a filter was placed on my mail. Here is what they said... Please note that these situations often occur when an email filter is preventing all incoming emails from reaching the Inbox folder. These filters are usually changed when an AOL account was hacked or compromised. To resolve this, we have reset the server settings associated to your account that may have been changed if your account was compromised and you should be receiving emails normally from now on. Please sign out and back in for the changes to take full effect. So far, with fingers crossed, I am once again receiving incoming messages with attachments in my inbox. I know of no hacking or compromise of my account...or that any filter was ever placed on my account. Thanks for the suggestions. Frog Gee Whiz!! I would have thought that if a Service Provider was going to change the set-up of the service they provided, they would tell the users all about it!! ;-) -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Messages with attachments being deleted.
Ray_Net wrote: Frog wrote on 09-07-18 23:00: Frog wrote: Any message sent my way that includes an attachment is being deleted before it arrives on my computer. All messages that do not have an attachment are arriving okay. Here is what I'm looking at in the way of my computer system/set-up: I am using a desktop computer. I am using Windows 10 Home 1 have 400 GB of Ram My ISP is AOL. My browser is SeaMonkey version 2.49.3 I also employ an application names MailWasher Pro, version 7.11.0 My computer virus scan software is WebRoot Secure Anywhere version 9,0,20,31 Yesterday, I had my daughter send me a message with an attachment---I never saw her message (either in my SeaMonkey mail or in MailWasher). I next saw a message (with an attachment)in MailWasher from a source that was identified by me as a Friend. I next washed the rest of my mail and downloaded the good items to my computer. The message with the attachment did not appear in my SeaMonkey Inbox. I could not find a trace of this message in the MailWasher Recycle Folder or in an AOL located files. I then observed another message in MailWasher that had an attachment. I decided to not take any action in MailWasher relative to this message...I simply went to SeaMonkey and downloaded my messages (wanted and unwanted) from my SeaMonkey application. The message that had an attachment was not in my download. This loss of messages, ones having attachments, has been going on for some time. I have gone through MailWasher from one end to the other searching for a reason for these deletions. I sent a message to AOL and they have not responded. This problem started about the same time that I installed SeaMonkey version 2.49.3...about the time that I upgraded MailWasher from Free to Pro...and about the time that my Windows 10 software was updated with a major upgrade. I'm looking for help with finding a solution for this problem. Thanks in advance for any help sent my way. Frog Additional Information I continued my search today for the reason why wanted messages with attachments were not arriving in my SeaMonkey mail. Interestingly, I found some of these messages were sent to my never used AOL browser as trash. This information indicates to me that my virus scan software is not deleting these messages...that software at AOL is not deleting these messages...and now I believe my lost message problem is located either in SeaMonkey or MailWasher. I continue to need help with this problem. Frog You may try uninstalling MailWasher ... I think...I hope the solution to my problem has been found. I contacted AOL about my situation...mainly I asked if a filter was placed on my mail. Here is what they said... Please note that these situations often occur when an email filter is preventing all incoming emails from reaching the Inbox folder. These filters are usually changed when an AOL account was hacked or compromised. To resolve this, we have reset the server settings associated to your account that may have been changed if your account was compromised and you should be receiving emails normally from now on. Please sign out and back in for the changes to take full effect. So far, with fingers crossed, I am once again receiving incoming messages with attachments in my inbox. I know of no hacking or compromise of my account...or that any filter was ever placed on my account. Thanks for the suggestions. Frog ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Messages with attachments being deleted.
On 07/09/18 5:00 PM, Frog wrote: Frog wrote: Any message sent my way that includes an attachment is being deleted before it arrives on my computer. All messages that do not have an attachment are arriving okay. Here is what I'm looking at in the way of my computer system/set-up: I am using a desktop computer. I am using Windows 10 Home 1 have 400 GB of Ram My ISP is AOL. My browser is SeaMonkey version 2.49.3 I also employ an application names MailWasher Pro, version 7.11.0 My computer virus scan software is WebRoot Secure Anywhere version 9,0,20,31 Yesterday, I had my daughter send me a message with an attachment---I never saw her message (either in my SeaMonkey mail or in MailWasher). I next saw a message (with an attachment)in MailWasher from a source that was identified by me as a Friend. I next washed the rest of my mail and downloaded the good items to my computer. The message with the attachment did not appear in my SeaMonkey Inbox. I could not find a trace of this message in the MailWasher Recycle Folder or in an AOL located files. I then observed another message in MailWasher that had an attachment. I decided to not take any action in MailWasher relative to this message...I simply went to SeaMonkey and downloaded my messages (wanted and unwanted) from my SeaMonkey application. The message that had an attachment was not in my download. This loss of messages, ones having attachments, has been going on for some time. I have gone through MailWasher from one end to the other searching for a reason for these deletions. I sent a message to AOL and they have not responded. This problem started about the same time that I installed SeaMonkey version 2.49.3...about the time that I upgraded MailWasher from Free to Pro...and about the time that my Windows 10 software was updated with a major upgrade. I'm looking for help with finding a solution for this problem. Thanks in advance for any help sent my way. Frog Additional Information I continued my search today for the reason why wanted messages with attachments were not arriving in my SeaMonkey mail. Interestingly, I found some of these messages were sent to my never used AOL browser as trash. This information indicates to me that my virus scan software is not deleting these messages...that software at AOL is not deleting these messages...and now I believe my lost message problem is located either in SeaMonkey or MailWasher. I continue to need help with this problem. Frog Disable 'First Alert' in Mailwasher if you're using it. -- "This is America! You can't make a horse testify against himself!" Mister Ed ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Messages with attachments being deleted.
Frog wrote on 09-07-18 23:00: Frog wrote: Any message sent my way that includes an attachment is being deleted before it arrives on my computer. All messages that do not have an attachment are arriving okay. Here is what I'm looking at in the way of my computer system/set-up: I am using a desktop computer. I am using Windows 10 Home 1 have 400 GB of Ram My ISP is AOL. My browser is SeaMonkey version 2.49.3 I also employ an application names MailWasher Pro, version 7.11.0 My computer virus scan software is WebRoot Secure Anywhere version 9,0,20,31 Yesterday, I had my daughter send me a message with an attachment---I never saw her message (either in my SeaMonkey mail or in MailWasher). I next saw a message (with an attachment)in MailWasher from a source that was identified by me as a Friend. I next washed the rest of my mail and downloaded the good items to my computer. The message with the attachment did not appear in my SeaMonkey Inbox. I could not find a trace of this message in the MailWasher Recycle Folder or in an AOL located files. I then observed another message in MailWasher that had an attachment. I decided to not take any action in MailWasher relative to this message...I simply went to SeaMonkey and downloaded my messages (wanted and unwanted) from my SeaMonkey application. The message that had an attachment was not in my download. This loss of messages, ones having attachments, has been going on for some time. I have gone through MailWasher from one end to the other searching for a reason for these deletions. I sent a message to AOL and they have not responded. This problem started about the same time that I installed SeaMonkey version 2.49.3...about the time that I upgraded MailWasher from Free to Pro...and about the time that my Windows 10 software was updated with a major upgrade. I'm looking for help with finding a solution for this problem. Thanks in advance for any help sent my way. Frog Additional Information I continued my search today for the reason why wanted messages with attachments were not arriving in my SeaMonkey mail. Interestingly, I found some of these messages were sent to my never used AOL browser as trash. This information indicates to me that my virus scan software is not deleting these messages...that software at AOL is not deleting these messages...and now I believe my lost message problem is located either in SeaMonkey or MailWasher. I continue to need help with this problem. Frog You may try uninstalling MailWasher ... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Messages with attachments being deleted.
Frog wrote: Any message sent my way that includes an attachment is being deleted before it arrives on my computer. All messages that do not have an attachment are arriving okay. Here is what I'm looking at in the way of my computer system/set-up: I am using a desktop computer. I am using Windows 10 Home 1 have 400 GB of Ram My ISP is AOL. My browser is SeaMonkey version 2.49.3 I also employ an application names MailWasher Pro, version 7.11.0 My computer virus scan software is WebRoot Secure Anywhere version 9,0,20,31 Yesterday, I had my daughter send me a message with an attachment---I never saw her message (either in my SeaMonkey mail or in MailWasher). I next saw a message (with an attachment)in MailWasher from a source that was identified by me as a Friend. I next washed the rest of my mail and downloaded the good items to my computer. The message with the attachment did not appear in my SeaMonkey Inbox. I could not find a trace of this message in the MailWasher Recycle Folder or in an AOL located files. I then observed another message in MailWasher that had an attachment. I decided to not take any action in MailWasher relative to this message...I simply went to SeaMonkey and downloaded my messages (wanted and unwanted) from my SeaMonkey application. The message that had an attachment was not in my download. This loss of messages, ones having attachments, has been going on for some time. I have gone through MailWasher from one end to the other searching for a reason for these deletions. I sent a message to AOL and they have not responded. This problem started about the same time that I installed SeaMonkey version 2.49.3...about the time that I upgraded MailWasher from Free to Pro...and about the time that my Windows 10 software was updated with a major upgrade. I'm looking for help with finding a solution for this problem. Thanks in advance for any help sent my way. Frog Additional Information I continued my search today for the reason why wanted messages with attachments were not arriving in my SeaMonkey mail. Interestingly, I found some of these messages were sent to my never used AOL browser as trash. This information indicates to me that my virus scan software is not deleting these messages...that software at AOL is not deleting these messages...and now I believe my lost message problem is located either in SeaMonkey or MailWasher. I continue to need help with this problem. Frog ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Messages with attachments being deleted.
Any message sent my way that includes an attachment is being deleted before it arrives on my computer. All messages that do not have an attachment are arriving okay. Here is what I'm looking at in the way of my computer system/set-up: I am using a desktop computer. I am using Windows 10 Home 1 have 400 GB of Ram My ISP is AOL. My browser is SeaMonkey version 2.49.3 I also employ an application names MailWasher Pro, version 7.11.0 My computer virus scan software is WebRoot Secure Anywhere version 9,0,20,31 Yesterday, I had my daughter send me a message with an attachment---I never saw her message (either in my SeaMonkey mail or in MailWasher). I next saw a message (with an attachment)in MailWasher from a source that was identified by me as a Friend. I next washed the rest of my mail and downloaded the good items to my computer. The message with the attachment did not appear in my SeaMonkey Inbox. I could not find a trace of this message in the MailWasher Recycle Folder or in an AOL located files. I then observed another message in MailWasher that had an attachment. I decided to not take any action in MailWasher relative to this message...I simply went to SeaMonkey and downloaded my messages (wanted and unwanted) from my SeaMonkey application. The message that had an attachment was not in my download. This loss of messages, ones having attachments, has been going on for some time. I have gone through MailWasher from one end to the other searching for a reason for these deletions. I sent a message to AOL and they have not responded. This problem started about the same time that I installed SeaMonkey version 2.49.3...about the time that I upgraded MailWasher from Free to Pro...and about the time that my Windows 10 software was updated with a major upgrade. I'm looking for help with finding a solution for this problem. Thanks in advance for any help sent my way. Frog ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Original Message Perhaps the picture is created by copy/paste into the mail and not attached ... so visible in html mode and invisible in text mode. I've had that happen to my recipients - so now I'll do both (which is a waste). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Daniel wrote: Richmond wrote on 13/05/18 04:32: Ray_Net wrote: Why must TB or SM show a part of the HTML part when reading exclusively in plain-text. If you position your option to plain-text-only don't expect to reach the HTML part ... Permitting to access the html part is an aberration ... If you want to see the attachment Iphone/Ipad MUST put the attachment OUTSIDE de html part. I don't want to see the attachment or have it shown, I just want to know that there /is/ one. I was about to reply to the sender saying that he had forgotten to attach the attachment. There was no clue that the message contained anything other than a bit of text. Richmond, one possibility In the "Threads" pane, one of the columns that can be shown is the "Lines" column. For a small text e-mail the value shown might be 10 - 20. For a big text e-mail the value might be 50 -100. For an HTML e-mail or a text e-mail with an attachment, the value might be several hundred to several thousand lines. To enable the "Lines" column, click the squiggle line symbol to the extreme right of the "Subject:", "From", "Date" line and select "Lines". +1 i don't know exactly what you mean, but I agree -- https://facebook.com/gerardjan.vinkesteijn User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.3 Build identifier: 20180403170715 Fedora 20 Linux ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Richmond wrote on 13/05/18 04:32: Ray_Net wrote: Why must TB or SM show a part of the HTML part when reading exclusively in plain-text. If you position your option to plain-text-only don't expect to reach the HTML part ... Permitting to access the html part is an aberration ... If you want to see the attachment Iphone/Ipad MUST put the attachment OUTSIDE de html part. I don't want to see the attachment or have it shown, I just want to know that there /is/ one. I was about to reply to the sender saying that he had forgotten to attach the attachment. There was no clue that the message contained anything other than a bit of text. Richmond, one possibility In the "Threads" pane, one of the columns that can be shown is the "Lines" column. For a small text e-mail the value shown might be 10 - 20. For a big text e-mail the value might be 50 -100. For an HTML e-mail or a text e-mail with an attachment, the value might be several hundred to several thousand lines. To enable the "Lines" column, click the squiggle line symbol to the extreme right of the "Subject:", "From", "Date" line and select "Lines". -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Ray_Net wrote: > Why must TB or SM show a part of the HTML part when reading exclusively > in plain-text. > If you position your option to plain-text-only don't expect to reach the > HTML part ... > Permitting to access the html part is an aberration ... > > If you want to see the attachment Iphone/Ipad MUST put the attachment > OUTSIDE de html part. I don't want to see the attachment or have it shown, I just want to know that there /is/ one. I was about to reply to the sender saying that he had forgotten to attach the attachment. There was no clue that the message contained anything other than a bit of text. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
On 5/9/2018 2:40 PM, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: > NoOp wrote: >> On 5/8/2018 12:32 PM, Ray_Net wrote: >>> NoOp wrote on 08-05-18 19:03: Have you tried the already included: View|Message Body As|All Body Parts that is included in both SeaMonkey and Thunderbird? >>> I did not have that option for "Message Body As" I have only those 3 >>> choices: >>> - "Original HTML" >>> - "Simple HTML" >>> - "Plain Text" >>> >> >> Odd... I must have installed it via an extension/add-on or some other >> means some time ago. It apparently is in my profile somewhere as before >> posting I tested in safe mode (add-ons disabled). Sorry for the noise, >> I'll see if I can figure out how I got it & then post back. > > Somewhere else in this thread (or maybe on a web page I got to via a > message in this thread) I see there is a preference > "mailnews.display.show_all_body_parts_menu" which enables that menu > item. It's "false" (don't show the option) by default. I guess you > previously enabled that preference, or installed an extension which does so. > Bingo! Thanks Mark, that is it - had it set to true on both SeaMonkey and Thunderbird. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
NoOp wrote: On 5/8/2018 12:32 PM, Ray_Net wrote: NoOp wrote on 08-05-18 19:03: Have you tried the already included: View|Message Body As|All Body Parts that is included in both SeaMonkey and Thunderbird? I did not have that option for "Message Body As" I have only those 3 choices: - "Original HTML" - "Simple HTML" - "Plain Text" Odd... I must have installed it via an extension/add-on or some other means some time ago. It apparently is in my profile somewhere as before posting I tested in safe mode (add-ons disabled). Sorry for the noise, I'll see if I can figure out how I got it & then post back. Somewhere else in this thread (or maybe on a web page I got to via a message in this thread) I see there is a preference "mailnews.display.show_all_body_parts_menu" which enables that menu item. It's "false" (don't show the option) by default. I guess you previously enabled that preference, or installed an extension which does so. -- Mark. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
On 5/8/2018 12:32 PM, Ray_Net wrote: > NoOp wrote on 08-05-18 19:03: >> On 5/8/2018 1:31 AM, Richmond wrote: >>> Richmond wrote: Ray_Net wrote: > Richmond wrote on 07-05-18 11:54: >> The same thing occurs in Thunderbird. I suppose you could argue that if >> you want to display the body as plain text, then it should have no >> interpretation of embedded headers at all, as that would be more secure. >> But it doesn't do that either, unless you use ctrl-U. > Iphone could be the culprit. It might be. I did the test again using gmail webmail instead of the iphone, and the attachment shows correctly. As this applies to Thunderbird too I think I will raise a bugzilla, as it might be a simple matter to adapt to the iphone/ipad. >>> Someone has already raised a similar issue here: >>> >>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1362539 >>> >>> Probably it won't be fixed but there is an extension to fix it: >>> >>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/show-all-body-parts/ >>> >>> called "show all body parts" - an unfortunate name. :) >>> >> Have you tried the already included: >> View|Message Body As|All Body Parts >> that is included in both SeaMonkey and Thunderbird? >> >> > I did not have that option for "Message Body As" I have only those 3 > choices: > - "Original HTML" > - "Simple HTML" > - "Plain Text" > Odd... I must have installed it via an extension/add-on or some other means some time ago. It apparently is in my profile somewhere as before posting I tested in safe mode (add-ons disabled). Sorry for the noise, I'll see if I can figure out how I got it & then post back. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Frank-Rainer Grahl: >It builds but that is about all :) > >Didin't try today. Mozilla just removed another few bits from Gecko and jorgk >just pushed a bustage fixe for mailnews. The new build succeeded. The first SM 2.59. :) Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Wed, 9 May 2018 08:04:01 +0200, _Ray_Net_: Richmond wrote on 08-05-18 22:21: Bugzilla isn't just for bugs though, it's for change requests too. The fact that it is working correctly doesn't mean it is useful or should never be changed. Why must TB or SM show a part of the HTML part when reading exclusively in plain-text. If you position your option to plain-text-only don't expect to reach the HTML part ... Permitting to access the html part is an aberration ... If you want to see the attachment Iphone/Ipad MUST put the attachment OUTSIDE de html part. I can think of few reasons why the current behavior should be improved: 1) The MIME handling is not set in stone – it's mostly about the capabilities of the client, and a client should make best effort to not hide content from the user. If I remember correctly Claws Mail [1] doesn't handle HTML but presents an UI for viewing any MIME part of the message as text, or just access/save it as attachment; 2) There's already a precedent in Mozilla Mail – an HTML message with embedded pictures: multipart/alternative ├─ text/plain └─ multipart/related ├─ text/html └─ image/jpeg When viewed as plain text, the pictures are seen as attachments. In fact any other part, whether actually linked in the HTML or not, of the "multiplart/related" branch will be shown as attachment. That's perfectly valid given (1). It makes sense this handling could be extended, or more generic solution like "Show All Body Parts" (already suggested in another reply to this thread) provided. [1] http://www.claws-mail.org/ -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
It builds but that is about all :) Didin't try today. Mozilla just removed another few bits from Gecko and jorgk just pushed a bustage fixe for mailnews. FRG Hartmut Figge wrote: Frank-Rainer Grahl: We really need to fix the current bustages first... Well, yesterday a build of SM-Trunk on Linux x86_64 succeeded. After a relative long time of bustages. But building is broken again. :) Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Frank-Rainer Grahl: >We really need to fix the current bustages first... Well, yesterday a build of SM-Trunk on Linux x86_64 succeeded. After a relative long time of bustages. But building is broken again. :) Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Richmond wrote on 08-05-18 22:21: Ray_Net wrote: Richmond wrote on 08-05-18 10:02: Ray_Net wrote: Richmond wrote on 07-05-18 11:54: The same thing occurs in Thunderbird. I suppose you could argue that if you want to display the body as plain text, then it should have no interpretation of embedded headers at all, as that would be more secure. But it doesn't do that either, unless you use ctrl-U. Iphone could be the culprit. It might be. I did the test again using gmail webmail instead of the iphone, and the attachment shows correctly. As this applies to Thunderbird too I think I will raise a bugzilla, as it might be a simple matter to adapt to the iphone/ipad. I the Iphone/Ipad put the attachment into the html part ... I suggest that SM nor TB must not permit to see this attachment when reading in plain-text. I that case, I suggest to close the bug immediately with the reason "Works Correctly". Bugzilla isn't just for bugs though, it's for change requests too. The fact that it is working correctly doesn't mean it is useful or should never be changed. Why must TB or SM show a part of the HTML part when reading exclusively in plain-text. If you position your option to plain-text-only don't expect to reach the HTML part ... Permitting to access the html part is an aberration ... If you want to see the attachment Iphone/Ipad MUST put the attachment OUTSIDE de html part. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Ray_Net wrote: > Richmond wrote on 08-05-18 10:02: >> Ray_Net wrote: >>> Richmond wrote on 07-05-18 11:54: The same thing occurs in Thunderbird. I suppose you could argue that if you want to display the body as plain text, then it should have no interpretation of embedded headers at all, as that would be more secure. But it doesn't do that either, unless you use ctrl-U. >>> Iphone could be the culprit. >> It might be. I did the test again using gmail webmail instead of the >> iphone, and the attachment shows correctly. >> >> As this applies to Thunderbird too I think I will raise a bugzilla, as >> it might be a simple matter to adapt to the iphone/ipad. >> > I the Iphone/Ipad put the attachment into the html part ... > I suggest that SM nor TB must not permit to see this attachment when > reading in plain-text. > I that case, I suggest to close the bug immediately with the reason > "Works Correctly". Bugzilla isn't just for bugs though, it's for change requests too. The fact that it is working correctly doesn't mean it is useful or should never be changed. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Richmond wrote on 08-05-18 10:02: Ray_Net wrote: Richmond wrote on 07-05-18 11:54: The same thing occurs in Thunderbird. I suppose you could argue that if you want to display the body as plain text, then it should have no interpretation of embedded headers at all, as that would be more secure. But it doesn't do that either, unless you use ctrl-U. Iphone could be the culprit. It might be. I did the test again using gmail webmail instead of the iphone, and the attachment shows correctly. As this applies to Thunderbird too I think I will raise a bugzilla, as it might be a simple matter to adapt to the iphone/ipad. I the Iphone/Ipad put the attachment into the html part ... I suggest that SM nor TB must not permit to see this attachment when reading in plain-text. I that case, I suggest to close the bug immediately with the reason "Works Correctly". ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
NoOp wrote on 08-05-18 19:03: On 5/8/2018 1:31 AM, Richmond wrote: Richmond wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Richmond wrote on 07-05-18 11:54: The same thing occurs in Thunderbird. I suppose you could argue that if you want to display the body as plain text, then it should have no interpretation of embedded headers at all, as that would be more secure. But it doesn't do that either, unless you use ctrl-U. Iphone could be the culprit. It might be. I did the test again using gmail webmail instead of the iphone, and the attachment shows correctly. As this applies to Thunderbird too I think I will raise a bugzilla, as it might be a simple matter to adapt to the iphone/ipad. Someone has already raised a similar issue here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1362539 Probably it won't be fixed but there is an extension to fix it: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/show-all-body-parts/ called "show all body parts" - an unfortunate name. :) Have you tried the already included: View|Message Body As|All Body Parts that is included in both SeaMonkey and Thunderbird? I did not have that option for "Message Body As" I have only those 3 choices: - "Original HTML" - "Simple HTML" - "Plain Text" ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Richmond wrote: OK I have recreated the problem as follows: On my iPhone, I created a spreadsheet using the Numbers app. (I don't think it matters what the attachment is, this is just an example). I then sent this to myself by email. (It is not obvious [to me] how to do this, I searched for it, then selected it from the cloud drive using the "select" option, then clicked the upload symbol, and selected email.) I can see this fine in SM (*), no problems. Then, using the iPhone, I forward the message which I received from myself to myself. I am asked if I want to include the attachments and I say yes. I then look at the forwarded message in SeaMonkey (*) and I cannot see the attachments when the message body is displayed as plain text. However if I change View Message Body as HTML then I see the attachment listed over on the right where I can select Save All etc. (*) I am using IMAP so I can view the same message on iPhone or SM. The first header is like this (I removed hex strings) : --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Then: --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (html stuff here) --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) Content-Type: application/x-iwork-numbers-sffnumbers; name="Blank 2.numbers"; x-apple-part-url=(hex stuff) Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Blank 2.numbers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Then base64 encoded stuff (presumably the attached spreadsheet) Then: --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (html stuff) --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) I can't be sure without knowing the main Content-Type: header and which "hex stuff" lines match which other "hex stuff" lines, but it looks like you might have a multipart/alternative (guessing at the main Content-Type header) message consisting of: 1. A text/plain (plain text) part with no attachments 2. A multipart/mixed part containing: 2.1. A text/html (HTML formatted) part 2.2. An attachment 2.3. Another text/html part (possibly an HTML signature file?) If that is the case, the attachments are only included in the alternate part which also includes the HTML version. Viewing only the text/plain alternate part does not include the attachments. To be sure, I'd need to see the main Content-Type header and the parts you've replaced with "(hex stuff)", but if that is the case it would appear to be an issue with the way the mail is constructed by the sender. What I'd expect to see is something more like (starting with the main Content-Type header): Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Apple-Mail-HexString1" --Apple-Mail-HexString1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail-HexString2" --Apple-Mail-HexString2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (Content of plain text part) --Apple-Mail-HexString2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (Content of HTML part) --Apple-Mail-HexString2-- --Apple-Mail-HexString1 Content-Type: application/x-iwork-numbers-sffnumbers; name="Blank 2.numbers"; x-apple-part-url=(hex stuff) Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Blank 2.numbers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 (Base64-encoded attachment) --Apple-Mail-HexString1-- Which represents (if I've constructed that example correctly) a multipart/mixed part containing: 1. A multipart/alternative part containing: 1.1. A text/plain (plain text) part 1.2. A text/html (HTML formatted) part 2. An attachment Note that the attachment is not within either of the alternative parts. The two different hex strings used as the multipart separators, and the additional dashes before and sometimes after them, are significant in indicating which of the two multipart groups they're separating and where that part ends. -- Mark. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
On 5/8/2018 1:31 AM, Richmond wrote: > Richmond wrote: >> Ray_Net wrote: >>> Richmond wrote on 07-05-18 11:54: The same thing occurs in Thunderbird. I suppose you could argue that if you want to display the body as plain text, then it should have no interpretation of embedded headers at all, as that would be more secure. But it doesn't do that either, unless you use ctrl-U. >>> Iphone could be the culprit. >> >> It might be. I did the test again using gmail webmail instead of the >> iphone, and the attachment shows correctly. >> >> As this applies to Thunderbird too I think I will raise a bugzilla, as >> it might be a simple matter to adapt to the iphone/ipad. >> > > Someone has already raised a similar issue here: > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1362539 > > Probably it won't be fixed but there is an extension to fix it: > > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/show-all-body-parts/ > > called "show all body parts" - an unfortunate name. :) > Have you tried the already included: View|Message Body As|All Body Parts that is included in both SeaMonkey and Thunderbird? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
On 5/8/2018 at 12:07 PM, Ray_Net created this epitome of digital genius: Ok, Ok, but if the correction is possible thru an addon, It would be not so difficult to put the code of the addon into the source of TB. I did not know what a "bustage" is google-translate cannot help me in french. Something that is broken. In this case, things in the software that are not working properly. -- Ed Mullen https://edmullen.net/ What if there were no rhetorical questions? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Ok, Ok, but if the correction is possible thru an addon, It would be not so difficult to put the code of the addon into the source of TB. I did not know what a "bustage" is google-translate cannot help me in french. Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 08-05-18 17:09: ... they are VERY VERY FEW volunteers And shared mailnews code. If the TB devs don't think it can be fixed easy I wouldn't even touch it. We really need to fix the current bustages first or you won't see another SeaMonkey after the last 2.49.x. FRG Ray_Net wrote: That's not normal to oblige us to install an addon because SM cannot correct his bug. Yes I know, they are all volunters ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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... they are VERY VERY FEW volunteers And shared mailnews code. If the TB devs don't think it can be fixed easy I wouldn't even touch it. We really need to fix the current bustages first or you won't see another SeaMonkey after the last 2.49.x. FRG Ray_Net wrote: That's not normal to oblige us to install an addon because SM cannot correct his bug. Yes I know, they are all volunters ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote on 08-05-18 14:40: Tue, 8 May 2018 09:31:58 +0100, _Richmond_: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/show-all-body-parts/ called "show all body parts" - an unfortunate name. :) Nice one – thanks for the reference. That's not normal to oblige us to install an addon because SM cannot correct his bug. Yes I know, they are all volunters ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Tue, 8 May 2018 09:31:58 +0100, _Richmond_: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/show-all-body-parts/ called "show all body parts" - an unfortunate name. :) Nice one – thanks for the reference. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Richmond wrote: > Ray_Net wrote: >> Richmond wrote on 07-05-18 11:54: >>> The same thing occurs in Thunderbird. I suppose you could argue that if >>> you want to display the body as plain text, then it should have no >>> interpretation of embedded headers at all, as that would be more secure. >>> But it doesn't do that either, unless you use ctrl-U. >> Iphone could be the culprit. > > It might be. I did the test again using gmail webmail instead of the > iphone, and the attachment shows correctly. > > As this applies to Thunderbird too I think I will raise a bugzilla, as > it might be a simple matter to adapt to the iphone/ipad. > Someone has already raised a similar issue here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1362539 Probably it won't be fixed but there is an extension to fix it: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/show-all-body-parts/ called "show all body parts" - an unfortunate name. :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Ray_Net wrote: > Richmond wrote on 07-05-18 11:54: >> The same thing occurs in Thunderbird. I suppose you could argue that if >> you want to display the body as plain text, then it should have no >> interpretation of embedded headers at all, as that would be more secure. >> But it doesn't do that either, unless you use ctrl-U. > Iphone could be the culprit. It might be. I did the test again using gmail webmail instead of the iphone, and the attachment shows correctly. As this applies to Thunderbird too I think I will raise a bugzilla, as it might be a simple matter to adapt to the iphone/ipad. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Richmond wrote on 07-05-18 11:54: The same thing occurs in Thunderbird. I suppose you could argue that if you want to display the body as plain text, then it should have no interpretation of embedded headers at all, as that would be more secure. But it doesn't do that either, unless you use ctrl-U. Iphone could be the culprit. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 06-05-18 00:34: Ray_Net wrote: It's normal that the attachment is available when you send a plain-text mail with an attachment... but try to compose and send an HTML mail with a copy/paste on the content of a picture instead of adding an attachment - then the guy who receive your mail - if he force the plain-text-format reading ... the picture is then not available until he force the html-format reading. Yes. And in the second case, it's not an attachment, it's an embedded image in the HTML message. If the recipient chooses to view an HTML message as plain text, he won't get all the fancy formatting, images, and other features of HTML, and that's not the sender's fault. We need the OP to clearly state whether this is what he's talking about, or whether he's really talking about true attachments. The OP just said: It is not a picture. In fact there were three attachments, all of which were docx. The headers show "Content-Disposition: attachment;" ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 6 May 2018 14:31:34 -0400, _Paul B. Gallagher_: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: It depends on how the client handles it, and Ray is not correct for SeaMonkey at least. If you View -> Message Body As -> Plain Text on an HTML message with an embedded image – the image will then appear as an attachment. Not on my machine. I tested with several HTML messages containing embedded images, which were originally displayed as View | Message Body As | Original HTML, and switched them to View | Message Body As | Plain Text. The images disappeared, of course, but no "attachment" appeared in the list; in fact, no attachment list was shown in the message header area because there were no attachments. Let's try: [color-image] Works for me, and I read every message as plain text. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Mon, 7 May 2018 18:17:47 +0300, _Stanimir Stamenkov_: Mon, 7 May 2018 09:17:46 +0100, _Richmond_: I can see the image on your article without problem. It does not say it is an attachment though, and the content disposition is "inline", so it is not like my example. In my example, nothing at all is shown, it is as if there are no attachments. The only clue is if you type ctrl-u or view as html. Test... (HTML / plain text) Attachment seems recognized in both of original HTML and plain text views having the following message structure (generated for HTML with embedded images by SeaMonkey): multipart/alternative ├─ text/plain └─ multipart/related ├─ text/html └─ application/octet-stream (attachment) The attachment is not recognized in plain text view having the following almost same structure (generated by "non-compatible" mail client): multipart/alternative ├─ text/plain └─ *multipart/mixed* ├─ text/html └─ application/octet-stream (attachment) Attachment is also recognized in original HTML and plain text views with the following structure (generated for general attachments by SeaMonkey): multipart/mixed ├─ multipart/alternative │ ├─ text/plain │ └─ text/html └─ application/octet-stream (attachment) In my opinion SeaMonkey (and Thunderbird) should recognize and handle the second case just as the first one, although the attachment in both is only given as related to the "Original HTML" alternative. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Mon, 7 May 2018 09:17:46 +0100, _Richmond_: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Wed, 2 May 2018 14:06:47 +0100, _Richmond_: I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. You probably observe the following: I think I've seen it before just with Apple mail clients. SeaMonkey is not able to compose just that way. I can see the image on your article without problem. It does not say it is an attachment though, and the content disposition is "inline", so it is not like my example. In my example, nothing at all is shown, it is as if there are no attachments. The only clue is if you type ctrl-u or view as html. Test... (plain text) -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
The same thing occurs in Thunderbird. I suppose you could argue that if you want to display the body as plain text, then it should have no interpretation of embedded headers at all, as that would be more secure. But it doesn't do that either, unless you use ctrl-U. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: > > With all said here, and elsewhere in this thread – next time try > unchecking: > > View -> Display Attachments Inline > > and see if it makes a difference for you. > It didn't make any difference. I think the "inline" thing is a red herring. Probably what I should do is recreate the problem with a simple text file as an attachment and then try to post all the headers. (I subsequently did using a spreadsheet but forgot to post this. See later/or earlier post). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
OK I have recreated the problem as follows: On my iPhone, I created a spreadsheet using the Numbers app. (I don't think it matters what the attachment is, this is just an example). I then sent this to myself by email. (It is not obvious [to me] how to do this, I searched for it, then selected it from the cloud drive using the "select" option, then clicked the upload symbol, and selected email.) I can see this fine in SM (*), no problems. Then, using the iPhone, I forward the message which I received from myself to myself. I am asked if I want to include the attachments and I say yes. I then look at the forwarded message in SeaMonkey (*) and I cannot see the attachments when the message body is displayed as plain text. However if I change View Message Body as HTML then I see the attachment listed over on the right where I can select Save All etc. (*) I am using IMAP so I can view the same message on iPhone or SM. The first header is like this (I removed hex strings) : --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Then: --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (html stuff here) --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) Content-Type: application/x-iwork-numbers-sffnumbers; name="Blank 2.numbers"; x-apple-part-url=(hex stuff) Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Blank 2.numbers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Then base64 encoded stuff (presumably the attached spreadsheet) Then: --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (html stuff) --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: > Wed, 2 May 2018 14:06:47 +0100, _Richmond_: > >> I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not >> show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message >> from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say >> that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. > > You probably observe the following: > I think I've seen it before just with Apple mail clients. SeaMonkey is > not able to compose just that way. > I can see the image on your article without problem. It does not say it is an attachment though, and the content disposition is "inline", so it is not like my example. In my example, nothing at all is shown, it is as if there are no attachments. The only clue is if you type ctrl-u or view as html. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Ray_Net wrote: > Richmond wrote on 05-05-18 01:11: >> EE wrote: >>> Richmond wrote: >>>> Paul B. Gallagher wrote: >>>>> Richmond wrote: >>>>>> Paul B. Gallagher wrote: >>>>>>> Richmond wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it >>>>>>>> does not >>>>>>>> show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded >>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>> from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least >>>>>>>> say >>>>>>>> that there are attachments without trying any further >>>>>>>> interpretation. >>>>>>> Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a couple of >>>>>>> ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>> >>>>>> None of those options work if you have View Message Body As Plain >>>>>> Text. >>>>>> It is as if there are no attachments, no paperclips, no save as >>>>>> options, >>>>>> nothing. At the very least I would thing plain text would include >>>>>> vision >>>>>> of the attachment headers, although that would be a rather messy >>>>>> way of >>>>>> doing it. >>>>> >>>>> I tested your claim here with messages originally written in HTML and >>>>> with messages originally written in plain text, and in all cases the >>>>> options I described worked as expected. I tested with View Message >>>>> Body >>>>> As Plain Text and with View Message Body As Original HTML, and it made >>>>> no difference. >>>>> >>>>> SM 2.49.2, Win7 Pro SP1, SeaMonkey Default Theme. >>>>> >>>> It seems that some attachments do work, and some don't. In this >>>> instance >>>> it is a forwarded message (i.e. forwarded to me from someone with an >>>> apple client who received a message with attachments). >>>> >>>> The message and its attachments display OK in Gmail webmail, and >>>> also on >>>> my Iphone mail client. >>>> >>> From what I understood from using Thunderbird, attachments are removed >>> from messages before forwarding them. >>> >> I have found another example where I sent an email to myself from my >> iPhone. The attachment is not recognized until I change the view from >> plain text to original HTML. I can't see any reason for this, especially >> as it is not consistent. If there is a reason for it, then it would >> apply to all attachments, not just those from Apple clients. So I >> conclude that SM is not handling attachments from Apple properly. >> (Whether because of Apple, or because of SM). > May be because the picture is not an attachment, but is a part of the > HTML body only. It is not a picture. In fact there were three attachments, all of which were docx. The headers show "Content-Disposition: attachment;" ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Sun, 6 May 2018 15:05:32 +0300, _Stanimir Stamenkov_: Sun, 6 May 2018 09:23:45 +0300, _Stanimir Stamenkov_: Wed, 2 May 2018 14:06:47 +0100, _Richmond_: I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. With all said here, and elsewhere in this thread – next time try unchecking: View -> Display Attachments Inline and see if it makes a difference for you. You probably observe the following: [inline image/png part with no filename associated] I think I've seen it before just with Apple mail clients. SeaMonkey is not able to compose just that way. My original message was multipart/mixed consisting of three parts: * text/plain * image/png * text/plain I've tried as soon as I give: Content-Type: ...; name= or: Content-Disposition: ...; filename= to any of the parts they start showing as attachments, in addition. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Sun, 6 May 2018 20:27:54 -0400, _Paul B. Gallagher_: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: So the first time I've composed an HTML message and inserted an image it retained the file name information so it appears as attachment when viewed as plain text. Next I've used Edit As New... and the file name information was lost, and image is no longer shown as attachment even when message viewed as plain text. On my machine, both messages have paper clips in the message listing indicating the presence of an attachment regardless of my View settings. If I choose View | Message Body As | Original HTML, the images also appear in the message body, but SM thinks there is no attachment, so it shows no attachment pane. If I choose View | Message Body As | Plain Text, they vanish from the message body but are listed in the attachment pane (as "color-image.png" and "Part 1.2.2," respectively). SM 2.49.2, classic theme. O.k. This appears additionally affected by View | Display Attachments Inline. When it is selected "anonymous" message parts are not shown as attachments, although they might not be shown at all. When _not_ selected such "anonymous" message parts get listed as attachments using a generated name like "Part 1.2.2". -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 6 May 2018 14:31:34 -0400, _Paul B. Gallagher_: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: It depends on how the client handles it, and Ray is not correct for SeaMonkey at least. If you View -> Message Body As -> Plain Text on an HTML message with an embedded image – the image will then appear as an attachment. Not on my machine. I tested with several HTML messages containing embedded images, which were originally displayed as View | Message Body As | Original HTML, and switched them to View | Message Body As | Plain Text. The images disappeared, of course, but no "attachment" appeared in the list; in fact, no attachment list was shown in the message header area because there were no attachments. So the first time I've composed an HTML message and inserted an image it retained the file name information so it appears as attachment when viewed as plain text. Next I've used Edit As New... and the file name information was lost, and image is no longer shown as attachment even when message viewed as plain text. On my machine, both messages have paper clips in the message listing indicating the presence of an attachment regardless of my View settings. If I choose View | Message Body As | Original HTML, the images also appear in the message body, but SM thinks there is no attachment, so it shows no attachment pane. If I choose View | Message Body As | Plain Text, they vanish from the message body but are listed in the attachment pane (as "color-image.png" and "Part 1.2.2," respectively). SM 2.49.2, classic theme. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Sun, 6 May 2018 14:31:34 -0400, _Paul B. Gallagher_: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: It depends on how the client handles it, and Ray is not correct for SeaMonkey at least. If you View -> Message Body As -> Plain Text on an HTML message with an embedded image – the image will then appear as an attachment. Not on my machine. I tested with several HTML messages containing embedded images, which were originally displayed as View | Message Body As | Original HTML, and switched them to View | Message Body As | Plain Text. The images disappeared, of course, but no "attachment" appeared in the list; in fact, no attachment list was shown in the message header area because there were no attachments. So the first time I've composed an HTML message and inserted an image it retained the file name information so it appears as attachment when viewed as plain text. Next I've used Edit As New... and the file name information was lost, and image is no longer shown as attachment even when message viewed as plain text. See my other reply to the OP for an example where an image may not show as attachment. Agreed. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Sun, 6 May 2018 14:31:34 -0400, _Paul B. Gallagher_: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: It depends on how the client handles it, and Ray is not correct for SeaMonkey at least. If you View -> Message Body As -> Plain Text on an HTML message with an embedded image – the image will then appear as an attachment. Not on my machine. I tested with several HTML messages containing embedded images, which were originally displayed as View | Message Body As | Original HTML, and switched them to View | Message Body As | Plain Text. The images disappeared, of course, but no "attachment" appeared in the list; in fact, no attachment list was shown in the message header area because there were no attachments. 2nd try: [color-image] -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Sun, 6 May 2018 14:31:34 -0400, _Paul B. Gallagher_: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: It depends on how the client handles it, and Ray is not correct for SeaMonkey at least. If you View -> Message Body As -> Plain Text on an HTML message with an embedded image – the image will then appear as an attachment. Not on my machine. I tested with several HTML messages containing embedded images, which were originally displayed as View | Message Body As | Original HTML, and switched them to View | Message Body As | Plain Text. The images disappeared, of course, but no "attachment" appeared in the list; in fact, no attachment list was shown in the message header area because there were no attachments. Let's try: [color-image] -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 6 May 2018 00:27:56 +0200, _EE_: Ray_Net wrote: It's normal that the attachment is available when you send a plain-text mail with an attachment... but try to compose and send an HTML mail with a copy/paste on the content of a picture instead of adding an attachment - then the guy who receive your mail - if he force the plain-text-format reading ... the picture is then not available until he force the html-format reading. You are now talking about embedded pictures, not attachments. It depends on how the client handles it, and Ray is not correct for SeaMonkey at least. If you View -> Message Body As -> Plain Text on an HTML message with an embedded image – the image will then appear as an attachment. Not on my machine. I tested with several HTML messages containing embedded images, which were originally displayed as View | Message Body As | Original HTML, and switched them to View | Message Body As | Plain Text. The images disappeared, of course, but no "attachment" appeared in the list; in fact, no attachment list was shown in the message header area because there were no attachments. See my other reply to the OP for an example where an image may not show as attachment. Agreed. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Sun, 6 May 2018 00:27:56 +0200, _EE_: Ray_Net wrote: It's normal that the attachment is available when you send a plain-text mail with an attachment... but try to compose and send an HTML mail with a copy/paste on the content of a picture instead of adding an attachment - then the guy who receive your mail - if he force the plain-text-format reading ... the picture is then not available until he force the html-format reading. You are now talking about embedded pictures, not attachments. It depends on how the client handles it, and Ray is not correct for SeaMonkey at least. If you View -> Message Body As -> Plain Text on an HTML message with an embedded image – the image will then appear as an attachment. See my other reply to the OP for an example where an image may not show as attachment. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Ray_Net wrote: EE wrote on 05-05-18 19:53: Richmond wrote: EE wrote: Richmond wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Richmond wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Richmond wrote: I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a couple of ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment. ... None of those options work if you have View Message Body As Plain Text. It is as if there are no attachments, no paperclips, no save as options, nothing. At the very least I would thing plain text would include vision of the attachment headers, although that would be a rather messy way of doing it. I tested your claim here with messages originally written in HTML and with messages originally written in plain text, and in all cases the options I described worked as expected. I tested with View Message Body As Plain Text and with View Message Body As Original HTML, and it made no difference. SM 2.49.2, Win7 Pro SP1, SeaMonkey Default Theme. It seems that some attachments do work, and some don't. In this instance it is a forwarded message (i.e. forwarded to me from someone with an apple client who received a message with attachments). The message and its attachments display OK in Gmail webmail, and also on my Iphone mail client. From what I understood from using Thunderbird, attachments are removed from messages before forwarding them. I have found another example where I sent an email to myself from my iPhone. The attachment is not recognized until I change the view from plain text to original HTML. I can't see any reason for this, especially as it is not consistent. If there is a reason for it, then it would apply to all attachments, not just those from Apple clients. So I conclude that SM is not handling attachments from Apple properly. (Whether because of Apple, or because of SM). That sounds strange. With Thunderbird, I have sent messages to myself from the computer to the iPad with attachments, and also from Safari on the iPad to the computer with attachments, always using plain text messages, and the attachments arrive. I have to use Thunderbird because I was unable to get SeaMonkey to work with IMAP email. It's normal that the attachment is available when you send a plain-text mail with an attachment... but try to compose and send an HTML mail with a copy/paste on the content of a picture instead of adding an attachment - then the guy who receive your mail - if he force the plain-text-format reading ... the picture is then not available until he force the html-format reading. You are now talking about embedded pictures, not attachments. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Sun, 6 May 2018 09:23:45 +0300, _Stanimir Stamenkov_: Wed, 2 May 2018 14:06:47 +0100, _Richmond_: I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. You probably observe the following: [inline image/png part with no filename associated] I think I've seen it before just with Apple mail clients. SeaMonkey is not able to compose just that way. My original message was multipart/mixed consisting of three parts: * text/plain * image/png * text/plain I've tried as soon as I give: Content-Type: ...; name= or: Content-Disposition: ...; filename= to any of the parts they start showing as attachments, in addition. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Wed, 2 May 2018 14:06:47 +0100, _Richmond_: I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. You probably observe the following: I think I've seen it before just with Apple mail clients. SeaMonkey is not able to compose just that way. my desktop is oké -- https://facebook.com/gerardjan.vinkesteijn User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.3 Build identifier: 20180403170715 Fedora 20 Linux ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Wed, 2 May 2018 14:06:47 +0100, _Richmond_: I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. You probably observe the following: I think I've seen it before just with Apple mail clients. SeaMonkey is not able to compose just that way. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Ray_Net wrote: It's normal that the attachment is available when you send a plain-text mail with an attachment... but try to compose and send an HTML mail with a copy/paste on the content of a picture instead of adding an attachment - then the guy who receive your mail - if he force the plain-text-format reading ... the picture is then not available until he force the html-format reading. Yes. And in the second case, it's not an attachment, it's an embedded image in the HTML message. If the recipient chooses to view an HTML message as plain text, he won't get all the fancy formatting, images, and other features of HTML, and that's not the sender's fault. We need the OP to clearly state whether this is what he's talking about, or whether he's really talking about true attachments. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
EE wrote on 05-05-18 19:53: Richmond wrote: EE wrote: Richmond wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Richmond wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Richmond wrote: I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a couple of ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment. ... None of those options work if you have View Message Body As Plain Text. It is as if there are no attachments, no paperclips, no save as options, nothing. At the very least I would thing plain text would include vision of the attachment headers, although that would be a rather messy way of doing it. I tested your claim here with messages originally written in HTML and with messages originally written in plain text, and in all cases the options I described worked as expected. I tested with View Message Body As Plain Text and with View Message Body As Original HTML, and it made no difference. SM 2.49.2, Win7 Pro SP1, SeaMonkey Default Theme. It seems that some attachments do work, and some don't. In this instance it is a forwarded message (i.e. forwarded to me from someone with an apple client who received a message with attachments). The message and its attachments display OK in Gmail webmail, and also on my Iphone mail client. From what I understood from using Thunderbird, attachments are removed from messages before forwarding them. I have found another example where I sent an email to myself from my iPhone. The attachment is not recognized until I change the view from plain text to original HTML. I can't see any reason for this, especially as it is not consistent. If there is a reason for it, then it would apply to all attachments, not just those from Apple clients. So I conclude that SM is not handling attachments from Apple properly. (Whether because of Apple, or because of SM). That sounds strange. With Thunderbird, I have sent messages to myself from the computer to the iPad with attachments, and also from Safari on the iPad to the computer with attachments, always using plain text messages, and the attachments arrive. I have to use Thunderbird because I was unable to get SeaMonkey to work with IMAP email. It's normal that the attachment is available when you send a plain-text mail with an attachment... but try to compose and send an HTML mail with a copy/paste on the content of a picture instead of adding an attachment - then the guy who receive your mail - if he force the plain-text-format reading ... the picture is then not available until he force the html-format reading. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Richmond wrote: EE wrote: Richmond wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Richmond wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Richmond wrote: I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a couple of ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment. ... None of those options work if you have View Message Body As Plain Text. It is as if there are no attachments, no paperclips, no save as options, nothing. At the very least I would thing plain text would include vision of the attachment headers, although that would be a rather messy way of doing it. I tested your claim here with messages originally written in HTML and with messages originally written in plain text, and in all cases the options I described worked as expected. I tested with View Message Body As Plain Text and with View Message Body As Original HTML, and it made no difference. SM 2.49.2, Win7 Pro SP1, SeaMonkey Default Theme. It seems that some attachments do work, and some don't. In this instance it is a forwarded message (i.e. forwarded to me from someone with an apple client who received a message with attachments). The message and its attachments display OK in Gmail webmail, and also on my Iphone mail client. From what I understood from using Thunderbird, attachments are removed from messages before forwarding them. I have found another example where I sent an email to myself from my iPhone. The attachment is not recognized until I change the view from plain text to original HTML. I can't see any reason for this, especially as it is not consistent. If there is a reason for it, then it would apply to all attachments, not just those from Apple clients. So I conclude that SM is not handling attachments from Apple properly. (Whether because of Apple, or because of SM). That sounds strange. With Thunderbird, I have sent messages to myself from the computer to the iPad with attachments, and also from Safari on the iPad to the computer with attachments, always using plain text messages, and the attachments arrive. I have to use Thunderbird because I was unable to get SeaMonkey to work with IMAP email. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Richmond wrote on 05-05-18 01:11: EE wrote: Richmond wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Richmond wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Richmond wrote: I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a couple of ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment. ... None of those options work if you have View Message Body As Plain Text. It is as if there are no attachments, no paperclips, no save as options, nothing. At the very least I would thing plain text would include vision of the attachment headers, although that would be a rather messy way of doing it. I tested your claim here with messages originally written in HTML and with messages originally written in plain text, and in all cases the options I described worked as expected. I tested with View Message Body As Plain Text and with View Message Body As Original HTML, and it made no difference. SM 2.49.2, Win7 Pro SP1, SeaMonkey Default Theme. It seems that some attachments do work, and some don't. In this instance it is a forwarded message (i.e. forwarded to me from someone with an apple client who received a message with attachments). The message and its attachments display OK in Gmail webmail, and also on my Iphone mail client. From what I understood from using Thunderbird, attachments are removed from messages before forwarding them. I have found another example where I sent an email to myself from my iPhone. The attachment is not recognized until I change the view from plain text to original HTML. I can't see any reason for this, especially as it is not consistent. If there is a reason for it, then it would apply to all attachments, not just those from Apple clients. So I conclude that SM is not handling attachments from Apple properly. (Whether because of Apple, or because of SM). May be because the picture is not an attachment, but is a part of the HTML body only. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
EE wrote: > Richmond wrote: >> Paul B. Gallagher wrote: >>> Richmond wrote: >>>> Paul B. Gallagher wrote: >>>>> Richmond wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not >>>>>> show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded >>>>>> message >>>>>> from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least >>>>>> say >>>>>> that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. >>>>> >>>>> Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a couple of >>>>> ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment. >>>>> >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>> >>>> None of those options work if you have View Message Body As Plain Text. >>>> It is as if there are no attachments, no paperclips, no save as >>>> options, >>>> nothing. At the very least I would thing plain text would include >>>> vision >>>> of the attachment headers, although that would be a rather messy way of >>>> doing it. >>> >>> >>> I tested your claim here with messages originally written in HTML and >>> with messages originally written in plain text, and in all cases the >>> options I described worked as expected. I tested with View Message Body >>> As Plain Text and with View Message Body As Original HTML, and it made >>> no difference. >>> >>> SM 2.49.2, Win7 Pro SP1, SeaMonkey Default Theme. >>> >> >> It seems that some attachments do work, and some don't. In this instance >> it is a forwarded message (i.e. forwarded to me from someone with an >> apple client who received a message with attachments). >> >> The message and its attachments display OK in Gmail webmail, and also on >> my Iphone mail client. >> > From what I understood from using Thunderbird, attachments are removed > from messages before forwarding them. > I have found another example where I sent an email to myself from my iPhone. The attachment is not recognized until I change the view from plain text to original HTML. I can't see any reason for this, especially as it is not consistent. If there is a reason for it, then it would apply to all attachments, not just those from Apple clients. So I conclude that SM is not handling attachments from Apple properly. (Whether because of Apple, or because of SM). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
EE wrote: From what I understood from using Thunderbird, attachments are removed from messages before forwarding them. Not so in SeaMonkey. Here, they remain as attachments, whether you send in plain text or HTML. I can't vouch for TB. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Richmond wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Richmond wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Richmond wrote: I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a couple of ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment. ... None of those options work if you have View Message Body As Plain Text. It is as if there are no attachments, no paperclips, no save as options, nothing. At the very least I would thing plain text would include vision of the attachment headers, although that would be a rather messy way of doing it. I tested your claim here with messages originally written in HTML and with messages originally written in plain text, and in all cases the options I described worked as expected. I tested with View Message Body As Plain Text and with View Message Body As Original HTML, and it made no difference. SM 2.49.2, Win7 Pro SP1, SeaMonkey Default Theme. It seems that some attachments do work, and some don't. In this instance it is a forwarded message (i.e. forwarded to me from someone with an apple client who received a message with attachments). The message and its attachments display OK in Gmail webmail, and also on my Iphone mail client. From what I understood from using Thunderbird, attachments are removed from messages before forwarding them. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: > Richmond wrote: >> Paul B. Gallagher wrote: >>> Richmond wrote: >>> >>>> I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not >>>> show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message >>>> from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say >>>> that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. >>> >>> Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a couple of >>> ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment. >>> >>> ... >>> >> >> None of those options work if you have View Message Body As Plain Text. >> It is as if there are no attachments, no paperclips, no save as options, >> nothing. At the very least I would thing plain text would include vision >> of the attachment headers, although that would be a rather messy way of >> doing it. > > > I tested your claim here with messages originally written in HTML and > with messages originally written in plain text, and in all cases the > options I described worked as expected. I tested with View Message Body > As Plain Text and with View Message Body As Original HTML, and it made > no difference. > > SM 2.49.2, Win7 Pro SP1, SeaMonkey Default Theme. > It seems that some attachments do work, and some don't. In this instance it is a forwarded message (i.e. forwarded to me from someone with an apple client who received a message with attachments). The message and its attachments display OK in Gmail webmail, and also on my Iphone mail client. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 02-05-18 17:56: Richmond wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Richmond wrote: I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a couple of ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment. ... None of those options work if you have View Message Body As Plain Text. It is as if there are no attachments, no paperclips, no save as options, nothing. At the very least I would thing plain text would include vision of the attachment headers, although that would be a rather messy way of doing it. I tested your claim here with messages originally written in HTML and with messages originally written in plain text, and in all cases the options I described worked as expected. I tested with View Message Body As Plain Text and with View Message Body As Original HTML, and it made no difference. SM 2.49.2, Win7 Pro SP1, SeaMonkey Default Theme. Perhapas the picture is created by copy/paste into the mail and not attached ... so visible in html mode and invisible in text mode. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Earlier today, I wrote: Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a couple of ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment. 1) In the message list, you'll see column headings like "Subject," "From," "Date," "Status," etc. On the far right, if you've enabled it, you'll see a column heading that looks like a paper clip. When a message has an attachment, that column will display a little envelope. Correction: it displays as a little paper clip, not as an envelope. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Richmond wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Richmond wrote: I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a couple of ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment. ... None of those options work if you have View Message Body As Plain Text. It is as if there are no attachments, no paperclips, no save as options, nothing. At the very least I would thing plain text would include vision of the attachment headers, although that would be a rather messy way of doing it. I tested your claim here with messages originally written in HTML and with messages originally written in plain text, and in all cases the options I described worked as expected. I tested with View Message Body As Plain Text and with View Message Body As Original HTML, and it made no difference. SM 2.49.2, Win7 Pro SP1, SeaMonkey Default Theme. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: > Richmond wrote: > >> I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not >> show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message >> from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say >> that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. > > Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a couple of > ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment. > > 1) In the message list, you'll see column headings like "Subject," > "From," "Date," "Status," etc. On the far right, if you've enabled it, > you'll see a column heading that looks like a paper clip. When a message > has an attachment, that column will display a little envelope. > > To enable/disable columns, click the very last icon in the heading row > and check/uncheck items as you wish. > > 2) In the message pane, to the left of the boldface word "Subject:" at > top, you'll see a triangular icon. Click it to show/hide the message > details such as From, To, etc. At the far right you'll see a small pane > titled, "Attachments" in which the attachments are listed by name. If > there is no attachment list, that's because the message has no > attachments. You can open them directly by double-clicking them, or save > them by right-clicking and choosing your preferred options. You can also > save all attachments from a message in one pass by right-clicking and > choosing "Save all." > > 3) Finally, if you haven't enabled the attachment column as described in > item 1) above, but you have enabled the "Size" column, messages with > sizes in MB instead of KB probably have attachments. ;-) > None of those options work if you have View Message Body As Plain Text. It is as if there are no attachments, no paperclips, no save as options, nothing. At the very least I would thing plain text would include vision of the attachment headers, although that would be a rather messy way of doing it. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Richmond wrote: I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a couple of ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment. 1) In the message list, you'll see column headings like "Subject," "From," "Date," "Status," etc. On the far right, if you've enabled it, you'll see a column heading that looks like a paper clip. When a message has an attachment, that column will display a little envelope. To enable/disable columns, click the very last icon in the heading row and check/uncheck items as you wish. 2) In the message pane, to the left of the boldface word "Subject:" at top, you'll see a triangular icon. Click it to show/hide the message details such as From, To, etc. At the far right you'll see a small pane titled, "Attachments" in which the attachments are listed by name. If there is no attachment list, that's because the message has no attachments. You can open them directly by double-clicking them, or save them by right-clicking and choosing your preferred options. You can also save all attachments from a message in one pass by right-clicking and choosing "Save all." 3) Finally, if you haven't enabled the attachment column as described in item 1) above, but you have enabled the "Size" column, messages with sizes in MB instead of KB probably have attachments. ;-) -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Viewing attachments!
Ray_Net wrote: Ray_Net wrote on 17-06-17 00:56: Jonathan N. Little wrote on 16-06-17 17:38: Ray_Net wrote: NO ! You are not responsible for that. You should ask your sister to attach the .jpg ... instead of a MICROSOFT_ONLY stuff. If she is using Outlook I think it is going to be sent in this damn proprietary winmail.dat format. My brother-in-law used Outlook and I would get stuff from him in that format. I think she would have to use a non-Outlook client in order to send it as a standard attachment. How confident are you at convincing her to drop Outlook? Ce n'est pourtant pas compliqué de suivre ces instructions . https://www.lifewire.com/prevent-sending-winmail-dat-attachments-1173717 Oups, sorry I wrote it in french :-) So: It is not so complicated to follow those instructions. I was going to say that I worked very hard to forget all my high school French. https://www.lifewire.com/prevent-sending-winmail-dat-attachments-1173717 I did not have outlook.exe, but I have an account here https://login.live.com and so able to send a mail with my hotmail adress and the attached jpg is a jpg file attachment not a winmail.dat. Well for "easy" instructions many Outlook users are unaware of the setting. -- Take care, Jonathan --- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Viewing attachments!
On 17/06/2017 8:56 AM, Ray_Net wrote: Jonathan N. Little wrote on 16-06-17 17:38: Ray_Net wrote: NO ! You are not responsible for that. You should ask your sister to attach the .jpg ... instead of a MICROSOFT_ONLY stuff. If she is using Outlook I think it is going to be sent in this damn proprietary winmail.dat format. My brother-in-law used Outlook and I would get stuff from him in that format. I think she would have to use a non-Outlook client in order to send it as a standard attachment. How confident are you at convincing her to drop Outlook? Ce n'est pourtant pas compliqué de suivre ces instructions . https://www.lifewire.com/prevent-sending-winmail-dat-attachments-1173717 Thanks, Ray. I do not understand French, but the linked site was in English, so I'll forward it to my Family and, hopefully, they will change their set-up's! -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.48 Build identifier: 20170329183526 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Viewing attachments!
On 17/06/2017 1:38 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote: Ray_Net wrote: NO ! You are not responsible for that. You should ask your sister to attach the .jpg ... instead of a MICROSOFT_ONLY stuff. If she is using Outlook I think it is going to be sent in this damn proprietary winmail.dat format. My brother-in-law used Outlook and I would get stuff from him in that format. I think she would have to use a non-Outlook client in order to send it as a standard attachment. How confident are you at convincing her to drop Outlook? The term "Not a hope" comes to mind!! Many years ago, I tried converting my family to using Netscape Communicator but they all had too much trouble communicating with all their friends/work colleagues, who all used MS Outlook or whatever. They decided it was just easier to go with the crowd! -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.48 Build identifier: 20170329183526 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Viewing attachments!
Ray_Net wrote on 17-06-17 00:56: Jonathan N. Little wrote on 16-06-17 17:38: Ray_Net wrote: NO ! You are not responsible for that. You should ask your sister to attach the .jpg ... instead of a MICROSOFT_ONLY stuff. If she is using Outlook I think it is going to be sent in this damn proprietary winmail.dat format. My brother-in-law used Outlook and I would get stuff from him in that format. I think she would have to use a non-Outlook client in order to send it as a standard attachment. How confident are you at convincing her to drop Outlook? Ce n'est pourtant pas compliqué de suivre ces instructions . https://www.lifewire.com/prevent-sending-winmail-dat-attachments-1173717 Oups, sorry I wrote it in french :-) So: It is not so complicated to follow those instructions. https://www.lifewire.com/prevent-sending-winmail-dat-attachments-1173717 I did not have outlook.exe, but I have an account here https://login.live.com and so able to send a mail with my hotmail adress and the attached jpg is a jpg file attachment not a winmail.dat. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Viewing attachments!
Jonathan N. Little wrote on 16-06-17 17:38: Ray_Net wrote: NO ! You are not responsible for that. You should ask your sister to attach the .jpg ... instead of a MICROSOFT_ONLY stuff. If she is using Outlook I think it is going to be sent in this damn proprietary winmail.dat format. My brother-in-law used Outlook and I would get stuff from him in that format. I think she would have to use a non-Outlook client in order to send it as a standard attachment. How confident are you at convincing her to drop Outlook? Ce n'est pourtant pas compliqué de suivre ces instructions . https://www.lifewire.com/prevent-sending-winmail-dat-attachments-1173717 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Viewing attachments!
Ray_Net wrote: NO ! You are not responsible for that. You should ask your sister to attach the .jpg ... instead of a MICROSOFT_ONLY stuff. If she is using Outlook I think it is going to be sent in this damn proprietary winmail.dat format. My brother-in-law used Outlook and I would get stuff from him in that format. I think she would have to use a non-Outlook client in order to send it as a standard attachment. How confident are you at convincing her to drop Outlook? -- Take care, Jonathan --- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Viewing attachments!
Daniel wrote on 16-06-17 14:37: On 16/06/2017 5:12 PM, Daniel wrote: On 16/06/2017 2:42 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Daniel wrote: One of my sister's, on holidays in Italy a.t.m., has sent me an 5.8 MB e-mail with the Subject: of "three hot", the text of "Here it is" and a 4.2 MB winmail.dat attachment. Are you sure that's her and no some scammer spoofing her? Have you confirmed it with her? Hmm!! Good question no, I haven't, but will do before trying Jonathan's suggestion. Tks O.K., e-mail back from my sister (Was it really her??) indicating the attachment was a jpg of the Galileo Museum ... and it was from her! And now the brother-in-law has sent another e-mail, with another webmail.dat attachment ... so I suppose I'll have to give Jonathan's suggestion a go!! NO ! You are not responsible for that. You should ask your sister to attach the .jpg ... instead of a MICROSOFT_ONLY stuff. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Viewing attachments!
On 16/06/2017 5:12 PM, Daniel wrote: On 16/06/2017 2:42 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Daniel wrote: One of my sister's, on holidays in Italy a.t.m., has sent me an 5.8 MB e-mail with the Subject: of "three hot", the text of "Here it is" and a 4.2 MB winmail.dat attachment. Are you sure that's her and no some scammer spoofing her? Have you confirmed it with her? Hmm!! Good question no, I haven't, but will do before trying Jonathan's suggestion. Tks O.K., e-mail back from my sister (Was it really her??) indicating the attachment was a jpg of the Galileo Museum ... and it was from her! And now the brother-in-law has sent another e-mail, with another webmail.dat attachment ... so I suppose I'll have to give Jonathan's suggestion a go!! -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.48 Build identifier: 20170329183526 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Viewing attachments!
On 16/06/2017 2:42 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Daniel wrote: One of my sister's, on holidays in Italy a.t.m., has sent me an 5.8 MB e-mail with the Subject: of "three hot", the text of "Here it is" and a 4.2 MB winmail.dat attachment. Are you sure that's her and no some scammer spoofing her? Have you confirmed it with her? Hmm!! Good question no, I haven't, but will do before trying Jonathan's suggestion. Tks -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.48 Build identifier: 20170329183526 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Viewing attachments!
Daniel wrote: One of my sister's, on holidays in Italy a.t.m., has sent me an 5.8 MB e-mail with the Subject: of "three hot", the text of "Here it is" and a 4.2 MB winmail.dat attachment. Are you sure that's her and no some scammer spoofing her? Have you confirmed it with her? -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Viewing attachments!
One of my sister's, on holidays in Italy a.t.m., has sent me an 5.8 MB e-mail with the Subject: of "three hot", the text of "Here it is" and a 4.2 MB winmail.dat attachment. With View->Message body As-> either Plain Text or Original HTML, when I double click on the attachment, I get the "Opening winmail.dat" screen which wants to open the file with Windows Media Player ... which then fails to open the file. ... Probably because it doesn't support the file type. How can I view the file?? Detach the winmail.dat file and save it as some sort of file, maybe?? Anybody got a suggestion?? -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.48 Build identifier: 20170329183526 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Drag attachments to desktop or wherever
Rick Merrill wrote: I just discovered this works! (ok ok it has probably been there all along!) --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com I've been using SM for over 10 years and didn't know it! I've always right clicked and save. THANKS! I'll be using it. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Drag attachments to desktop or wherever
ossnorthw...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, 28 April 2017 22:28:53 UTC+1, Bill Spikowski wrote: And you can drag them from the desktop (or wherever) right into the Attachments box in a Compose window -- all very slick! Not on the Linux 64 Ver :( I can using Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Drag attachments to desktop or wherever
On Friday, 28 April 2017 22:28:53 UTC+1, Bill Spikowski wrote: > And you can drag them from the desktop (or wherever) right into the > Attachments box in a Compose window -- all very slick! Not on the Linux 64 Ver :( ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Drag attachments to desktop or wherever
Rick Merrill wrote: I just discovered this works! (ok ok it has probably been there all along!) And you can drag them from the desktop (or wherever) right into the Attachments box in a Compose window -- all very slick! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Drag attachments to desktop or wherever
I just discovered this works! (ok ok it has probably been there all along!) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Attaching moved e-mails show 2 bytes attachments.
I just found an interesting bug. I was composing an e-mail and attached a few old e-mails in the attachments. They show up in the attachments. I haven't sent the e-mail out, but I moved the old e-mails to another folder. I sent the e-mail and noticed 2 bytes e-mail attachments. It looks like you can't move the e-mails (attachments) until after sending the e-mail. :/ I also added it to Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1245394 :) -- "The little ant at its hole is full of courage." --African Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) Chop ANT from its address if e-mailing privately. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Attaching moved e-mails show 2 bytes attachments.
Ant wrote:
I just found an interesting bug. I was composing an e-mail and
attached a few old e-mails in the attachments. They show up in the
attachments. I haven't sent the e-mail out, but I moved the old
e-mails to another folder. I sent the e-mail and noticed 2 bytes
e-mail attachments. It looks like you can't move the e-mails
(attachments) until after sending the e-mail. :/
I also added it to Bugzilla:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1245394 :)
You can do the same thing with other file attachments. Until you hit
"Send," those are just pointers ("get the file at location XXX"); when
you hit "Send," SM looks them up and assembles and encodes the message
for transmission.
I suppose it would be nice if SM was smart enough to update the pointers
when you moved the messages, but why create a problem? Just send first.
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Re: Newsgroup graphics attachments not displaying in SM 2.33
M wrote: Newsgroup graphics do not display in SM 2.33, show as a broken icon and clicking on 'Attachment' displays text rather than graphics. Downloaded each update since SM 2.26.1 with same result. Configuration and preferences are the same but SM 2.26.1 was/is the last version which displayed graphics and attachments in newsgroups correctly. Using Mac OS X Version 10.9.5 If anyone else has encountered same problem and found a solution, would appreciate the solution. TIA I'd like to say this work around works for me with the alt.binaries.pictures.scenic newsgroup, but it doesn't on my Usenet-News account. Could it be my news server? All I see is Downloading articles 1-1 in alt.binaries.pictures.scenic in the status bar, and no activity on my DSL router. It works with images posted in the mozilla.test.multimedia newsgroup. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=893776#c30 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Newsgroup graphics attachments not displaying in SM 2.33
On 15/03/15 02:43, Zeb Carter wrote: M wrote: Newsgroup graphics do not display in SM 2.33, show as a broken icon and clicking on 'Attachment' displays text rather than graphics. Downloaded each update since SM 2.26.1 with same result. Configuration and preferences are the same but SM 2.26.1 was/is the last version which displayed graphics and attachments in newsgroups correctly. Using Mac OS X Version 10.9.5 If anyone else has encountered same problem and found a solution, would appreciate the solution. TIA Is there a Bugzilla bug filed? If so, what status is marked against it? This has gone on for how long now? I'd almost say that the developers have no interest in fixing this particular bug. Almost as they may have other more important bugs to work but this one is approaching major irritant status and is blocking a lot of folks from upgrading including me. Might I add major irritant status for you, Zeb, and maybe a few others!! I'm sure the Devs would appreciate any assistance you may be able to offer, Zeb, whilst they go about their other efforts!! -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:35.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.32 Build identifier: 20141218225909 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.33 Build identifier: 20150215202114 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Newsgroup graphics attachments not displaying in SM 2.33
WaltS48 wrote: M wrote: Newsgroup graphics do not display in SM 2.33, show as a broken icon and clicking on 'Attachment' displays text rather than graphics. Downloaded each update since SM 2.26.1 with same result. Configuration and preferences are the same but SM 2.26.1 was/is the last version which displayed graphics and attachments in newsgroups correctly. Using Mac OS X Version 10.9.5 If anyone else has encountered same problem and found a solution, would appreciate the solution. TIA I'd like to say this work around works for me with the alt.binaries.pictures.scenic newsgroup, but it doesn't on my Usenet-News account. Could it be my news server? All I see is Downloading articles 1-1 in alt.binaries.pictures.scenic in the status bar, and no activity on my DSL router. It works with images posted in the mozilla.test.multimedia newsgroup. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=893776#c30 And now it is working in the alt.binaries.pictures.scenic newsgroup. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Newsgroup graphics attachments not displaying in SM 2.33
On 03/15/2015 01:53 PM, WaltS48 wrote: WaltS48 wrote: M wrote: Newsgroup graphics do not display in SM 2.33, show as a broken icon and clicking on 'Attachment' displays text rather than graphics. Downloaded each update since SM 2.26.1 with same result. Configuration and preferences are the same but SM 2.26.1 was/is the last version which displayed graphics and attachments in newsgroups correctly. Using Mac OS X Version 10.9.5 If anyone else has encountered same problem and found a solution, would appreciate the solution. TIA I'd like to say this work around works for me with the alt.binaries.pictures.scenic newsgroup, but it doesn't on my Usenet-News account. Could it be my news server? All I see is Downloading articles 1-1 in alt.binaries.pictures.scenic in the status bar, and no activity on my DSL router. It works with images posted in the mozilla.test.multimedia newsgroup. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=893776#c30 And now it is working in the alt.binaries.pictures.scenic newsgroup. Occasionally working. Sigh. Just use Thunderbird, they load instantly. -- Kubuntu 14.10 | KDE 4.14.1 | Thunderbird 38.0a2(Earlybird) [Coexist - Understanding Across Divides](https://www.coexist.org/) Proofreader wanted - apply online. ;) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Newsgroup graphics attachments not displaying in SM 2.33
WaltS48 wrote: On 03/15/2015 01:53 PM, WaltS48 wrote: WaltS48 wrote: M wrote: Newsgroup graphics do not display in SM 2.33, show as a broken icon and clicking on 'Attachment' displays text rather than graphics. Downloaded each update since SM 2.26.1 with same result. Configuration and preferences are the same but SM 2.26.1 was/is the last version which displayed graphics and attachments in newsgroups correctly. Using Mac OS X Version 10.9.5 If anyone else has encountered same problem and found a solution, would appreciate the solution. TIA I'd like to say this work around works for me with the alt.binaries.pictures.scenic newsgroup, but it doesn't on my Usenet-News account. Could it be my news server? All I see is Downloading articles 1-1 in alt.binaries.pictures.scenic in the status bar, and no activity on my DSL router. It works with images posted in the mozilla.test.multimedia newsgroup. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=893776#c30 And now it is working in the alt.binaries.pictures.scenic newsgroup. Occasionally working. Sigh. Just use Thunderbird, they load instantly. Thanks, I think I'll stay with SM 2.26.1 until it's 'fixed', hopefully sooner rather than later. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Newsgroup graphics attachments not displaying in SM 2.33
On 03/14/2015 05:06 PM, M wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 03/14/2015 11:43 AM, Zeb Carter wrote: M wrote: Newsgroup graphics do not display in SM 2.33, show as a broken icon and clicking on 'Attachment' displays text rather than graphics. Downloaded each update since SM 2.26.1 with same result. Configuration and preferences are the same but SM 2.26.1 was/is the last version which displayed graphics and attachments in newsgroups correctly. Using Mac OS X Version 10.9.5 If anyone else has encountered same problem and found a solution, would appreciate the solution. TIA Is there a Bugzilla bug filed? If so, what status is marked against it? This has gone on for how long now? I'd almost say that the developers have no interest in fixing this particular bug. Almost as they may have other more important bugs to work but this one is approaching major irritant status and is blocking a lot of folks from upgrading including me. [893776 – No images loading in newsgroups on version 2.19 but does with both version 1.16 and 2.17](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=893776) Excuse my ignorance, this bug has obviously been a problem in the past and perhaps 'fixed' and re-appeared after 2.26.1 Is the Bugziila post above still viewed by the 'developers' if not is there any other way we can draw it to their attention. I use Thunderbird where images in newsgroups display. But if the image is an attachment in a SeaMonkey post you can save it, then view it in your image viewer of choice. I see in SeaMonkey 2.33 that Loading Message does not appear forever in the status bar anymore. Something changed. -- Kubuntu 14.10 | KDE 4.14.1 | Thunderbird 38.0a2(Earlybird) [Coexist - Understanding Across Divides](https://www.coexist.org/) Proofreader wanted - apply online. ;) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Newsgroup graphics attachments not displaying in SM 2.33
WaltS48 wrote: On 03/14/2015 11:43 AM, Zeb Carter wrote: M wrote: Newsgroup graphics do not display in SM 2.33, show as a broken icon and clicking on 'Attachment' displays text rather than graphics. Downloaded each update since SM 2.26.1 with same result. Configuration and preferences are the same but SM 2.26.1 was/is the last version which displayed graphics and attachments in newsgroups correctly. Using Mac OS X Version 10.9.5 If anyone else has encountered same problem and found a solution, would appreciate the solution. TIA Is there a Bugzilla bug filed? If so, what status is marked against it? This has gone on for how long now? I'd almost say that the developers have no interest in fixing this particular bug. Almost as they may have other more important bugs to work but this one is approaching major irritant status and is blocking a lot of folks from upgrading including me. [893776 – No images loading in newsgroups on version 2.19 but does with both version 1.16 and 2.17](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=893776) Excuse my ignorance, this bug has obviously been a problem in the past and perhaps 'fixed' and re-appeared after 2.26.1 Is the Bugziila post above still viewed by the 'developers' if not is there any other way we can draw it to their attention. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
