From someone in the USA, I also see "chilled" water fountains / drinking
fountains. Invariably these are indoors, for example in a dentist's office, so
they can be connected to both a drinking water supply (usually "simply" the
municipal supply of potable water, though I've seen filtered
On 28/10/22 23:38, Matija Nalis wrote:
This stands, however in many places on this planet (and growing by the day)
there is now limited amount of drinking
water, and we often simply cannot afford to waste it - however much we might
prefer such luxuruios carelessness are
constantly flowing
Most of the outdoor fountains I have seen are not chilled.
You get water at a temperature lower than the external one because the
pipes are underground, sometimes the water is very cold; especially in
the mountains where it could come from a spring.
Having a tap which prevents the water
On 29/10/22 07:57, Matija Nalis wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 16:43:07 +1100, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 28/10/22 06:24, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
there was a discussion about this, tap was seen as a distinguishing property
that is yet missing. Handle is similar but not the same
On 29/10/22 10:23, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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On 29 Oct 2022, at 00:42, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
Is the water in your "drinking fountains" chilled, or is it just the natural
temperature of the water coming out?
there are a few “machines” that distribute chilled and
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> On 29 Oct 2022, at 00:42, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>
> Is the water in your "drinking fountains" chilled, or is it just the natural
> temperature of the water coming out?
there are a few “machines” that distribute chilled and carbon dioxide enriched
water for a few
On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 at 18:23, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
> you’ll have to wait a long time until the water becomes cold and can be
> drunken.
>
That one is a comment that stood out to me?
Is the water in your "drinking fountains" chilled, or is it just the
natural temperature of the water
On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 10:18:01 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
> The push button fountain variant is horrible, you can hardly drink from it,
> can not wash your hands, particularly the
> hand that you use to push the button, and even filling a bottle is harder
> than with the continuous flow.
On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 16:43:07 +1100, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 28/10/22 06:24, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> there was a discussion about this, tap was seen as a distinguishing property
>> that is yet missing. Handle is similar but not the same (handle is the thing
>> you touch,
Thank you Martin!
Do not worry, I have met you before and remember you as a very good person.
I have no hard feelings about that.
On 28/10/22 11:24, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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On 28 Oct 2022, at 10:46, Davidoskky via Tagging
wrote:
I do not like the aggressiveness in
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when warranted and sincere, it puts you into the light of "a very good person,"
at least in my eyes!
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> On Oct 28, 2022, at 2:24 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
>
>
>
> sent from a phone
>
>> On 28 Oct
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> On 28 Oct 2022, at 10:46, Davidoskky via Tagging
> wrote:
> I do not like the aggressiveness in this comment of yours;
I am sorry I wrote it like this, and agree it was not nice. Please accept my
apologies.
Cheers Martin
On 28/10/22 10:18, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
How is such a statement helpful in a tagging discussion? It can be said about
everything, I don’t tag it because I can go there to find out. If you are not
interested in tagging details, don’t engage in the discussion about these
things.
What I
On Oct 28, 2022, at 1:18 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> On 28 Oct 2022, at 09:58, Davidoskky via Tagging
>> wrote:
>>
>> While I could be interested in whether the flow of a fountain might be
>> stopped or not, I'm not really interested in how I'd have to do that: I can
>> just go to the
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> On 28 Oct 2022, at 09:58, Davidoskky via Tagging
> wrote:
>
> While I could be interested in whether the flow of a fountain might be
> stopped or not, I'm not really interested in how I'd have to do that: I can
> just go to the fountain and observe what I find.
I
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> On 28 Oct 2022, at 09:58, Davidoskky via Tagging
> wrote:
> Actuator definitely provides more information and implicitly defines tap=yes.
actuator was not proposed so far, handle was, and while it is documented, it
doesn’t seem particularly helpful looking at the
On 28/10/22 07:43, Warin wrote:
I think the actuator is more important than the 'tap'/'valve' and
would give more information than 'tap=yes/no'.
Actuator definitely provides more information and implicitly defines
tap=yes.
This said, I don't know whether it's more important. While I could
On 28/10/22 06:24, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
sent from a phone
On 27 Oct 2022, at 18:50, Matija Nalis
wrote:
instead of ad-hoc inventing
new undocumented key without discussion...
there was a discussion about this, tap was seen as a distinguishing property
that is yet missing. Handle
sent from a phone
> On 27 Oct 2022, at 18:50, Matija Nalis
> wrote:
>
> instead of ad-hoc inventing
> new undocumented key without discussion...
there was a discussion about this, tap was seen as a distinguishing property
that is yet missing. Handle is similar but not the same (handle is
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 23:45:34 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
>> On 26 Oct 2022, at 21:29, Paul Johnson wrote:
>> Drinking fountains are switch or knob operated and shoot at an angle.
>
> these are assumptions based on your experiences that don’t hold true around
> here, most drinking
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> On 27 Oct 2022, at 08:33, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Water is usually scarce in Australia, all blubbers/drinking_fountains are
> controlled.
sure, I did understand this, that’s why we should not generalize, the situation
is different in different places.
On 27/10/22 08:45, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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On 26 Oct 2022, at 21:29, Paul Johnson wrote:
Drinking fountains are switch or knob operated and shoot at an angle.
these are assumptions based on your experiences that don’t hold true around
here, most drinking fountains
sent from a phone
> On 26 Oct 2022, at 21:29, Paul Johnson wrote:
>
> Drinking fountains are switch or knob operated and shoot at an angle.
these are assumptions based on your experiences that don’t hold true around
here, most drinking fountains have continuous flow.
By the way, I started
On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 8:07 AM Davidoskky via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
> On 13/10/22 10:15, Warin wrote:
> > I see no point in depreciating anything at the moment .. 'we' need a
> > solution first before even thinking of depreciation.
>
> I do agree and appreciate this
On 16/10/22 02:49, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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On 15 Oct 2022, at 10:08, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
The flow of water is downwards making them difficult to drink from without an
aid e.g. a cup.
while it may be true, you have to acknowledge that there are many
sent from a phone
> On 15 Oct 2022, at 10:08, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The flow of water is downwards making them difficult to drink from without an
> aid e.g. a cup.
while it may be true, you have to acknowledge that there are many places in the
world that are providing
On 15/10/22 19:57, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
Oct 15, 2022, 10:05 by 61sundow...@gmail.com:
On 14/10/22 22:53, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
Oct 13, 2022, 10:15 by 61sundow...@gmail.com:
I see no point in depreciating anything at the moment .. 'we'
Oct 15, 2022, 10:05 by 61sundow...@gmail.com:
>
>
>
> On 14/10/22 22:53, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Oct 13, 2022, 10:15 by >> 61sundow...@gmail.com>> :
>>
>>> I see no point in depreciating anything at the moment .. 'we' need
>>> a solution first before
On 14/10/22 22:53, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
Oct 13, 2022, 10:15 by 61sundow...@gmail.com:
I see no point in depreciating anything at the moment .. 'we' need
a solution first before even thinking of depreciation.
I described what I found/considered at
Oct 13, 2022, 10:15 by 61sundow...@gmail.com:
> I see no point in depreciating anything at the moment .. 'we' need a solution
> first before even thinking of depreciation.
>
I described what I found/considered at
On 14/10/22 00:03, Davidoskky via Tagging wrote:
On 13/10/22 10:15, Warin wrote:
I see no point in depreciating anything at the moment .. 'we' need a
solution first before even thinking of depreciation.
I do agree and appreciate this approach. A solution for tagging
On 13/10/22 10:15, Warin wrote:
I see no point in depreciating anything at the moment .. 'we' need a
solution first before even thinking of depreciation.
I do agree and appreciate this approach. A solution for tagging
man_made=drinking_fountain already exists, that is fountain=bubbler.
I
On 11/10/22 05:39, Davidoskky via Tagging wrote:
I feel that writing on this mailing list is not such a good way to
find good solutions to problems, while it appears a wonderful place to
find problems.
Yes, a wonderful way to find problems. Few suggest ways to fix them... I
do try to
sent from a phone
> On 10 Oct 2022, at 19:58, Davidoskky via Tagging
> wrote:
>
> tap=* and water_tap=* are currently being used to tag the presence of a water
> tap in a building.
>
> tap=* is used in Dominican Republic and the values used are "yes", "no" or
> the number of water taps
Do you know if a tag already exist to describe the presence of a
tap in a building ?
a tap like the one used in man_made=water_tap ?
I'm not exactly sure what it is describing, I should contact the people
who added those tags...
I assume in the case of fuel stations it means there is
Le 10.10.22 à 19:55, Davidoskky via Tagging a écrit :
(BTW, I want to document existing tagging here and tap=yes has 347
uses while
man_made=water_tap 23 711 uses - though if someone wants to make proposal
they are welcome, tagging scheme is quite rotten here)
I have been looking at the
On 10/10/22 18:25, Marc_marc wrote:
of course, I share your opinion since it breaks the tag chain system :
a sub-tag rafines the "upper" tag which must therefore be present.
it is the expression that at least one tag is missing to describe
the common characteristic between these
(BTW, I want to document existing tagging here and tap=yes has 347
uses while
man_made=water_tap 23 711 uses - though if someone wants to make proposal
they are welcome, tagging scheme is quite rotten here)
I have been looking at the current uses of tap=* and water_tap=* as I'm
planning to
Le 10.10.22 à 18:07, Davidoskky via Tagging a écrit :
having fountain=* as subtag of amenity=drinking_water does
not look like a good solution to me
of course, I share your opinion since it breaks the tag chain system :
a sub-tag rafines the "upper" tag which must therefore be present.
it is
It is true that OpenStreetMap allows for any tag you like, but this
isn’t meant to encourage you to devalue established tags by using them
differently from how they are typically used. What would be the
benefit you expect from such retagging?
This is not something I am suggesting; this is
Oct 10, 2022, 15:45 by marc_m...@mailo.com:
I started this thread to confirm/reject listing
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Bubbler.jpg as
man_made=water_tap
fountain=bubbler
drinking_water=yes
amenity=drinking_water
>
> how can you have a sub-tag
>So "water tap" is referring only to control mechanism that enables user to
>start water flow?>(and sometimes also stop water flow)
>Not to entire water delivery apparatus?
Yes!, Just like my house HAS a door (which controls entry and leaving), but my
house IS_NOT a door.
So a water-delivery
sent from a phone
> On 10 Oct 2022, at 15:34, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Do we tag
>
> the waste receptacle
>
> or
>
> the tap
>
> or
>
> the drinking fountain
>
> ?? Which is the feature primarily there for? To me that is the drinking
> fountain. I'd leave out the tap
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> On 10 Oct 2022, at 09:12, Davidoskky via Tagging
> wrote:
>
> I like this, but I'd remove amenity=drinking_water rather than
> drinking_water=yes, because you _should_ add the tag amenity=fountain.
this would be completely inconsistent with the usage of the
I started this thread to confirm/reject listing
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Bubbler.jpg as
man_made=water_tap
fountain=bubbler
drinking_water=yes
amenity=drinking_water
how can you have a sub-tag fountain=* without a main tag *=fountain ?
next time I map one, I 'll use
On 10/10/22 08:20, stevea wrote:
I continue to call "bubblers" (although I personally call them "drinking fountains") emitting a jot of water
on button press "water taps," as it is that button press that makes them a "tap." Yes, they are both
drinking fountains / bubblers, too, as well as
I started this thread to confirm/reject listing
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Bubbler.jpg as
man_made=water_tap
fountain=bubbler
drinking_water=yes
amenity=drinking_water
replace man_made=water_tap with tap=yes and I subscribe. Also remove
the redundant drinking_water=yes, it is
On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 at 10:13, stevea wrote:
>
> > replace man_made=water_tap with tap=yes and I subscribe. Also remove the
> redundant drinking_water=yes, it is implied by amenity=drinking_water
>
> This makes a lot of sense; +1.
>
Yep!
Thanks
Graeme
On Oct 9, 2022, at 5:06 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> On 9 Oct 2022, at 23:21, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
>> wrote:
>>
>> I started this thread to confirm/reject listing
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Bubbler.jpg as
>> man_made=water_tap
>> fountain=bubbler
>>
sent from a phone
> On 9 Oct 2022, at 23:21, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
> wrote:
>
> I started this thread to confirm/reject listing
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Bubbler.jpg as
> man_made=water_tap
> fountain=bubbler
> drinking_water=yes
> amenity=drinking_water
replace
sent from a phone
> On 9 Oct 2022, at 23:21, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
> wrote:
>
> Which one?
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Water_flowing_from_drinking_water_tap.jpg
> ?
yes, this one is not very clear, although the sticker they added makes it clear
it is fine for
On Oct 9, 2022, at 1:53 PM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
wrote:
> As the next part of drinking water linguistic journey I documented at
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dwater_tap#Examples
> (bottom example) that bubblers are mostly water taps, despite that
> it may be highly
Oct 9, 2022, 23:06 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:
>
>
> sent from a phone
>
>
>> On 9 Oct 2022, at 22:56, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
>> wrote:
>>
>> As the next part of drinking water linguistic journey I documented at
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dwater_tap#Examples
Oct 9, 2022, 23:08 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:
>
>
> sent from a phone
>
>> On 9 Oct 2022, at 22:56, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
>> wrote:
>>
>> Let me know if this edit was right or wrong (I am quite confused here,
>> and this is why I want to document this to make situation less
sent from a phone
> On 9 Oct 2022, at 22:56, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
> wrote:
>
> Let me know if this edit was right or wrong (I am quite confused here,
> and this is why I want to document this to make situation less confusing).
IMHO saying it _is_ a water tap is confusing, I’d say
sent from a phone
> On 9 Oct 2022, at 22:56, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
> wrote:
>
> As the next part of drinking water linguistic journey I documented at
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dwater_tap#Examples
> (bottom example) that bubblers are mostly water taps,
As the next part of drinking water linguistic journey I documented at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dwater_tap#Examples
(bottom example) that bubblers are mostly water taps, despite that
it may be highly confusing for some people which are not native
speakers.
Like me.
Let
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