ctic region, I think the result is incoherent.
[1] https://maps.app.goo.gl/uvRXAWaJD7ocHiBUA
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_stations_in_Antarctica
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Varzuga: https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=66.38174&mlon=36.61092
Yamburg: https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=67.91871&mlon=74.97052
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> The comments here suggest that for a rural settlement to be a trunk
The comments here suggest that for a rural *highway* to be a trunk
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[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway#Assumptions
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway#Highway
[3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtertiary
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[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Verifiability#Problematic_tags
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> As Antarctica is international space,[1] I understand that, in
> principle, the highway classification scheme of no particular country
> applies
ad connects its main villages,
with only a few local roads branching off from it, and Agathonisi
island in Greece, which has the same pattern.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_road_network_size
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ive place for
> the general public, therefore it does not seem useful to use a higher
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Are civilian residents prohibited from traveling around the island?
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Very well. What is a minimum requirement for a sparsely populated island
with unpaved streets and roads to get its first highway=tertiary? A pair of
hamlets? A single large town? How large?
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>
>
> Apr 2
why they would be factually wrong, especially surface=*, which is
usually quite obvious. In any case, whenever these are found to be
truly wrong, they can be easily fixed (by setting an appropriate
value) or removed, given a suitable reason.
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is a statement about whether one starts judging such
networks by importance from the top (trunk downwards) or from the
bottom (tertiary upwards).
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such cases you'd have to ask yourself: Do
> you want OSM to represent the observable reality on the ground or do you want
> it to reflect the major consensus narrative of a certain cultural sphere.
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dividually settle there for a longer time, but that might still fulfill
> some of the functions settlements have elsewhere. The criteria for such
> tagging should be chosen for practical verifiability based on available
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On Wed, 24 Apr 2024, 20:31 Brian M. Sperlongano, wrote:
> if you can convince me that it's actually a road.
It is clearly an ice road.[1][2] It is made of compacted ice, it was
built over two years by levelling snow and filling in crevasses, it is
maintained/rebuilt every summer and is used by he
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] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Antarctica/Tagging#Roads_and_routes
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[4] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway#Assumptions
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>> probably some technical term for it.
>>
>> So, in short: Do we have a tagging scheme for those or not?
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> As far as I can see, there's never been a discussion on CBD roads, so lets
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> How should they be mapped? By the amount of traffic they carry, or what?
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One more thing: the distinction between bicycle=no and
bicycle=dismount has made its way to this important article for
various countries around 2015. [14]
[14]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access_restrictions
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[12] https://github.com/abrensch/brouter/issues/79
[13] https://github.com/abrensch/brouter/issues/226
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g them as razed and then create new
>> buildings on top of them?
>>
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/39.78016/-104.94562
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> highway=path page, which currently says it's not for use in urban
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> I'm dreaming, I'd like a little pony." It's probably insoluble but if it is
> soluble
> it will take us decades to agree on a solution.
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> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 19:18, Martin Koppenhoefer
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>> lanes=2
>> surface=unpaved
>>
>
> But would they still count as either =trunk or =primary?
>
> While they're of high local importance, they're definitely not
> high-performan
or rendering, as
> well as for routing.
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ons as they are more visible to mappers, but a
careless mapper may make changes ignoring those as well, as they are
not very visible in all editors. The wiki prescriptively discourages
the use of source:*=* since 2016, but the OSM Tag History service
tells me that usag
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[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bus_rapid_transit_systems
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> add emergency=yes
> Saludos, Agustín.
That is correct, but it says nothing about adding service=*, whether
it is bad, or good, and what value it should have.
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through very long distances, not just in bus stations. They of course
"go to" bus stations, but I don't think it was intended for usage only
in/near bus stations.
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ntain bus lanes, with no public lanes (so no cars, no
trucks, and no motorcycles). They typically run parallel to the public
tracks. In some cities, taxis are allowed, and sometimes this changes
over time as city law changes, but still no public traffic.
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n ways.
[1]
https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=graphhopper_car&route=41.89868%2C12.47640%3B41.90122%2C12.47645
[2]
https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=graphhopper_car&route=41.90256%2C12.48817%3B41.89842%2C12.47573
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should be downgraded from highway=pedestrian to highway=footway, it is
not so certain that the wider ones should always remain pedestrian.
Whether they should requires analyzing context and function case by
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> Am Do., 28. Feb. 2019 um 13:26 Uhr schrieb Fernando Trebien
> :
>> Currently, it actually would because emergency=* is nested under
>> motor_vehicle=* in the access tags hierarchy. [1] So to express that
>> moto
solve
95% (hopefully 99%) of the problem of highway classification, but the
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them is purpose and function.
[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Path_examples
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tracktype
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American dialect everywhere. This is a problem with other languages
that span multiple countries, like Spanish and Portuguese, and I think
the solution would be similar.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Alley_2.JPG
[2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Elf
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> On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 20:09, Fernando Trebien
> wrote:
>> I think Lone Pine [2] would be interesting to discuss because it
>> doesn't have any major routes linking larger places passing through
>> it. T
.
Agreed again, though it is still possible that even emergency vehicles
are not legally allowed in certain places, such as military and/or
conflict zones.
[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access#Land-based_transportation
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> On Wed, Feb 27, 2019, 12:41 Jarek Piórkowski wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 13:32, Paul Johnson wrote:
>> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2019, 11:25 Fernando Trebien
>> > wrote:
>> >> I never thought that e
On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 4:58 AM Mark Wagner wrote:
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> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 17:52:19 -0300
> Fernando Trebien wrote:
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> > On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 3:46 AM Mark Wagner
> > wrote:
> > > When you did your query for hamlets, I'm afraid you ran headlong
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, not its main
use/purpose.
Most pedestrian ways (highway=pedestrian) are physically possible for
emergency vehicles and usually they are allowed to use them, though
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(OSRM, GraphHopper) tend to avoid highway=secondary
and higher, so a way that is primarily for cycling would end up being
avoided.
[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging
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> Am Di., 26. Feb. 2019 um 13:52 Uhr schrieb Fernando Trebien
> :
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 9:00 PM Sergio Manzi wrote:
>> I think the official categories in Codice della Strada should probably
>>
map=15/45.4364/12.3334
>
> All are "highway=pedestrian", at the same level, but believe me: they are not!
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> and cycleway, since some networks can get quite complex (consider quietways
> and cycle superhighways; or the multitiered systems in The Netherlands, for
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> On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 at 12:17, Fernando Trebien
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I don't think a uniform, worldwide highway class standardisation based
>> on road attributes is possible and satisfactory. But I think a
&
those using printed maps). Commercial maps do
not have gaps in classification, as this makes reading harder and
leads to confusion.
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s true from data
protocols to units of measurement.
I don't think a uniform, worldwide highway class standardisation based
on road attributes is possible and satisfactory. But I think a
functional one would be, at least as a guiding principle.
sibly its
> traffic characteristics.
>
> So we can tag a secondary motorway or a primary road through a residential
> area or an official motorway with pedestrians actually walking on it.
>
> So that we’ll unify osm road classification through the world (remember the
> highway=trun
ess type varies by country (from "yes" in the
Netherlands to "no" in Denmark to "destination" in Germany) and the US
surely could opt for whatever default access value makes most sense
there. [3]
[1]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for
map.org/node/150951417
[3] Fairview: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/150933316
[4] Bridgeport: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/150948574
[5] Coulee City: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/150959667
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definition/terminology/signage, OSM's highway classes can be matched
to municipal definitions. I've seen edit wars vanish in every place
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not signposted and so have historically not been available to OSM
mappers; nevertheless, the tag is still useful for marking
low-importance minor roads." [1]
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[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy_of_roads#Unclassified
[6] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2018-February/080155.html
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intermitently-navigable waterways, text
description only:
http://www.portoriogrande.com.br/site/hidrovias_malha_hidroviaria.php
[4] Norms of the state naval authority, chapter 6 describes
navigability for each waterway, but only textually:
https://www.marinha.mil.br/cprs/npcp
[5] Wiki article with all these references a
know if you think anything should be mapped differently.
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[2] Fairway area: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/671582427
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>
> Fernando Trebien wrote:
> > motorboat:conditional only works if the periods where the river
> > is navigable are predictable, and that usually depends on the
> > variable amount of rain on the basin.
>
> motorboat= is an access tag, so i
varying water level, by vessels that are at least a bit larger
than a canoe, typically cargo or passenger vessels?
motorboat:conditional only works if the periods where the river is
navigable are predictable, and that usually depends on the variable
amount of rain on the basin.
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sure if this applies to canoe routes, which are usually not marked.
I'm neither a sailor nor a native English speaker, so I think I'd
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it (which is typically a requirement
for routing).
If you agree, I think the conflict note should be removed from the wiki.
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[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wi
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those is by definition limited to the US.
Note: in my tests, Nominatim seemed to have some issues computing its
postcode field when tiger:zip_left and tiger:zip_right are different.
[1] (pt) https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=688791
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[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary=postal_code
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type=route, route=bicycle. Close the relation window, clear your
selection, run the validator, and you'll get these two warnings under
"Role verification problem": "Role missing" and "Role route
unknown in
On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 4:14 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer
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> 2018-01-22 17:25 GMT+01:00 Fernando Trebien :
>> - sett: hewn stones with flat top, wide filled gaps, comfortable to
>> cycle and walk on, uncomfortable on high heels [today's image and also
>> [2] used p
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> On 22.01.2018 17:25, Fernando Trebien wrote:
>> - sett: hewn stones with flat top (...) [2] (...)> - cobblestone: hewn
>> stones with slightly arched top (...) images [3]
> and [4]
>
> I don't believe requiri
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> On 15/01/2018 14:47, Fernando Trebien wrote:
>>
>> When mapping sidewalks and cycleways, it is possible to do so as tags
>> on the line of the motorised way [1][2] or as standalone lines
>> parallel to it [1][3].
&
ttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle
> On 18 January 2018 at 22:02, Fernando Trebien
> wrote:
>>
>> "Note that a cycle track may alternatively be drawn as a separate way
>> next to the road which is tagged as highway=cycleway. Both methods
>> each have t
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esignated cycle lane in the road.
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> On 16/01/2018 19:31, Fernando Trebien wrote:
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>> Second paragraph here:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway#Cycle_tracks
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>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Dave F
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Second paragraph here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway#Cycle_tracks
On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Dave F wrote:
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> On 15/01/2018 14:47, Fernando Trebien wrote:
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>> The wiki also says that, when mapping a parallel cycleway as a
>> parallel line
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[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobblestone
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ancient_road_surface.jpg
[5] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Ancient_road_surface.jpg
[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ItalianStones.jpg
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://www.pavingexpert.com/cobble01.htm
[2] http://www.pavingexpert.com/setts01.htm
[3] http://www.pavingexpert.com/blocks.htm
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ce=cobblestone due to the
irregular cuts and patterns?
[1]
https://blogdaengenhariacivil.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/screenshot783-2.jpg
[2]
https://blogdaengenhariacivil.wordpress.com/2014/12/08/pavimentacao-em-pedra-tosca-e-paralelepipedo/
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[3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle#Cycle_tracks
[4] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/StreetComplete/Quests
[5] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Duse_sidepath
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On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Fernando Trebien
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> Perhaps the pattern would ideally be represented by an open-set sub-tag
Just realized that's the same thing Martin proposed, I misread the
original message.
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[2] And
that cobblestones refers to a pavement made of reasonably large,
natural, rounded stones. [3]
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cobblestone#Cobbles_and_Setts
[2] http://www.pavingexpert.com/setts01.htm
[3]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:surface#Cobbles_should_be_described_as_rou
eetmap.org/wiki/Key:surface
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> have a "bicycle superhighway" configuration.
I think you're much more ahead than me on this. Could you provide an
example where the route role would be used for a multi-use path?
At first glance it seems to make sense to me that ramps would have a
link role (as in road routes), not a rou
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