TextAloud
Butch, Check under Tools. You find one entry saying *Audio File Options, where you will set up the way audio files should be created, and where to store them. Near the bottom of the *Tools menu, you find an entry for Batch Convertion, which will be the place where you might want to go. Further, I encourage every user to please check the Help menu, as you will get quick and quite intuitive assistance there. On 6/22/2021 7:19 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: I got the demo of text aloud. I can't see where you can save the file to an audio file? Or does this not work on their trial version? I got it to read a file, but can't see where to save it. On Tue, 22 Jun 2021, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: I had textaloud long ago and it worked, but I couldn't get the part where you could change voice speed to work. I must not have even kept it, as I don't see it on my system any more. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Tue, 22 Jun 2021, David Pedersen via Talk wrote: Larry, Quick note. If you already bought TextAloud, get in touch with Nextup. Let them know your email address, used when purchasing. They should be able to look you up, and send you your license key again. OK, so TextAloud will have been upgraded meanwhile, and you may have lost the original installation file. Yet, with the license key at hand, you will only neede to pay the upgrade price, which might be some dollars saved for your next milkshake. You find their contact info on the homepage. From: Talk on behalf of Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 6:48 PM To: David Pedersen via Talk Cc: Larry Higgins Subject: Re: JAWS and read-all David and all, Sorry about the delayed response to this renewed thread concerning my issue with Say all and JFW. Father's Day and other family matters. Like you David, I can't recommend TextAloud highly enough. Although I do not use it at present, my previous version was lost a couple of hard drive crashes ago, It really can come in handy for putting .mp3 readings on another device, and being able to manipulate the speed of the text presentation. Not to mention, not having to put up with the irritating reading rhythm issues we are talking about. Like now with any screen reader I might use, I always chose to use Eloquence as my preferred synthesizer with TextAloud. I think I will definitely consider purchasing it again in the near future. It is definitely a good and useful product. Let me just say what I need to say about the previous suggestions in this post. But before I do, I really wish to thank you all for your moral support as well as technical advice on the matter. I may go to the trouble of trying these tricks with text and punctuation and the dictionary, although I must say that seems to me to be a whole lot of trouble to have to go too for trying to restore what should be the normal reading rhythm, not to mention, unintended consequences. But thanks nevertheless for these suggestions. What really has me befuddled is how JAWS users can be apparently so contented with such a manner and style of reading. I've heard one JFW list member speak of it as preferring it as a way of speeding up his reading just that much more, especially since he prefers to read at a faster clip as a rule. I like being able to speed read when both practical and necessary, but I much prefer to read at what one might consider a middle or moderate speed when I set out to read especially nonfiction works, where I wish to think right along with my reading. I prefer to keep both processes as much in sync as at all possible, not to read as if I were hurrying to a fire . Hope that makes sense. But people's various comfort levels are strictly their business. I just don't like reading with a sense of involuntary impatience, which is what this rhythm sounds like to me. Oh well, I think I'd better cease my ramblings before I end up confusing everybody. I would be grateful for any further ideas and discussion concerning this issue. Thanks again all of you for your kind patients and suggestions, Larry On 6/19/2021 12:50 AM, David Pedersen via Talk wrote: > Richard, TextAloud is a standalone software, for converting a text > > file or document into spoken audio. It was devoped for sighted users, > like students or others who has to read lengthy multitudes of texts. > The idea is that by use of audio, the reading can be performed even > on the go - when you are not near any computer. It further may prove > helpful with people who are dyslectics, as they can read by audio, > without struggling with their reading capacities. > > As such, and as a reply to your question, no TextAloud will not > enterfere with the reading performed by the screen reader. In its > basic nature, TextAloud can - and is supposed to - be operated all > without any screen reader
Re: Can't find a Window-Eyes command
Searching my archives, I did find an app named Append To Clipboard. If this is the one you are referring to, I do not know. In the introductory of the app, it states the hotkeys to be: Ctrl-Windows-C, and Ctrl-Windows-V. If this is not what you are looking for, then I am afraid the others are correct - in that WinEyes never offered anything more. There might exist some freeware, stand-alone, third-party software that might offer you the capability you are looking for, and which is not linked with any screen readers. Looking for such, do a simple search on the net something like: Append to clipboard, Win7 or any other version number, according to your Windows flavor. On 3/21/2021 1:37 PM, David via Talk wrote: Wonder if he is refering to a hotkey from one of the apps. Seem to remember there was a Clipboard app of some kind, that would provide such a feature. Will have to run through my colledction here, and see if I can find the app, and hence the hotkey. Unless someone else would happen to know. On 3/21/2021 12:08 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: Donald, I just went through the hotkey manager with a fine tooth comb, and can find no such command. Are you absolutely sure that WE got as far as to even introduce such a command before its tragic end of life? I believe both JAWS and NVDA have such a command, or maybe a way of accessing such a function built into windows 10, but I really don't believe Window-Eyes ever introduced anything relating to that particular function. On 3/20/2021 8:41 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote: Would someone please tell me the Window-Eyes command to append to clipboard. Thanks. Don Roberts ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Can't find a Window-Eyes command
Wonder if he is refering to a hotkey from one of the apps. Seem to remember there was a Clipboard app of some kind, that would provide such a feature. Will have to run through my colledction here, and see if I can find the app, and hence the hotkey. Unless someone else would happen to know. On 3/21/2021 12:08 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: Donald, I just went through the hotkey manager with a fine tooth comb, and can find no such command. Are you absolutely sure that WE got as far as to even introduce such a command before its tragic end of life? I believe both JAWS and NVDA have such a command, or maybe a way of accessing such a function built into windows 10, but I really don't believe Window-Eyes ever introduced anything relating to that particular function. On 3/20/2021 8:41 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote: Would someone please tell me the Window-Eyes command to append to clipboard. Thanks. Don Roberts ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Microsoft Teams
Quick update on myself. Checked the archives here. The App I thought of for WinEyes, was for a platform named: TeamTalk. Unless that would be what now is MS Teams, there would be no help in the app. I got it here, so if you want to give it a try, of course I could have send it to you. Sorry for the mixed memory of mine. Why don't people come up with more individual names for their software, we would have an easier job, not exchanging the one for the other. Smiles. Zoom.us , and that is what I am using. It is all accesssible with WinEyes, though certain messages, like when someone raises their hand or enters and leaves the meeting, are not automatically spoken. To that end, NVDA is more informative. Be glad they did not attempt Skype, as that proved useless in practical terms, with screen readers, when I tried it in the spring. Like someone else suggested, if you don't find WinEyes too cooperative in your meeting room, give NVDA - or even Narrator - a try. After all, depending on the nature of the meeting, you might not be all that relying on all the features of the meeting software, as you might be more busied in listening or participating in the meeting itself. As a sidenote, if you have a mobile device - Apple or Android - the mobil version of a given meeting software, might be more accessible. At least, the development on those platforms are more contigious, and hence what does not work, might be drawn to the developer's attention. Just by memro, I do wonder if there was ever made a script for Teams, but that is all by a vague memory. Additionally, even if so, that would be such many versions ago, that it might not even apply today. I'll browse my collection here, and see if there was any such thing, and let you know. Lastly, do they insist on using Teams, ask them if there are available a list of hotkeys, to control the software. Or, simply search the net for a term like: MS Teams Hotkeys List , or, MS Teams accessibility for visually impaired . These searches might help you out even more. If you want to know, to what extent NVDA works with the Teams software, try raising a question on the NVDA mailing list. My guess is, there will be users who long time have been facing the issue of yours, and might have good workarounds. On 12/12/2020 10:12 PM, Debra Hill via Talk wrote: Hi, My work group is to start having meeting using Microsoft Teams. In reading on it, it seems it is not accessible with WE. Does anyone on the list know of a web site which offers tutorials or knows more about Teams? Thanks for any suggestions! Have a blessed day! Deborah ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com . ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Microsoft Teams
Debra, I am in a group, where we had to go electronically recent days. I never tested MS Teams, so afraid I cannot be of much help. Yet, if your workgroup is not totally stuck with that provider, perhaps you could suggest for them to rather move to a service that is called Zoom. You find it at: Zoom.us , and that is what I am using. It is all accesssible with WinEyes, though certain messages, like when someone raises their hand or enters and leaves the meeting, are not automatically spoken. To that end, NVDA is more informative. Be glad they did not attempt Skype, as that proved useless in practical terms, with screen readers, when I tried it in the spring. Like someone else suggested, if you don't find WinEyes too cooperative in your meeting room, give NVDA - or even Narrator - a try. After all, depending on the nature of the meeting, you might not be all that relying on all the features of the meeting software, as you might be more busied in listening or participating in the meeting itself. As a sidenote, if you have a mobile device - Apple or Android - the mobil version of a given meeting software, might be more accessible. At least, the development on those platforms are more contigious, and hence what does not work, might be drawn to the developer's attention. Just by memro, I do wonder if there was ever made a script for Teams, but that is all by a vague memory. Additionally, even if so, that would be such many versions ago, that it might not even apply today. I'll browse my collection here, and see if there was any such thing, and let you know. Lastly, do they insist on using Teams, ask them if there are available a list of hotkeys, to control the software. Or, simply search the net for a term like: MS Teams Hotkeys List , or, MS Teams accessibility for visually impaired . These searches might help you out even more. If you want to know, to what extent NVDA works with the Teams software, try raising a question on the NVDA mailing list. My guess is, there will be users who long time have been facing the issue of yours, and might have good workarounds. On 12/12/2020 10:12 PM, Debra Hill via Talk wrote: Hi, My work group is to start having meeting using Microsoft Teams. In reading on it, it seems it is not accessible with WE. Does anyone on the list know of a web site which offers tutorials or knows more about Teams? Thanks for any suggestions! Have a blessed day! Deborah ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com . ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: copying and pasting
Use the F8 method, whenever you are in Browse Mode. The traditional Ctrl-C Ctrl-V, is used in all other instances. David On 12/13/2020 6:21 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote: Do I use that when copying a url to put into a browser? Because that's when I was having trouble copying and pasting. The rest of the time, I was able to use the old copy and paste, like if I was moving files and stuff. Pam. -Original Message- From: net bat via Talk Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 11:56 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: net bat Subject: Re: copying and pasting press f8 at the beginning of the text and f8 on the end of the text you want to copy. -Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 8:49 AM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Cc: Pamela Dominguez Subject: copying and pasting I know how to do the regular copy and paste, but I remember that in the last window eyes, they changed it. I have some questions. It seems that the new one worked in certain instances, and that you used the regular copy and paste, meaning the control c and control v, the rest of the time. When I go to copy email addresses, do I use the new one or the old one, and how do I use the new one? I don’t remember the key strokes for that. Thanks for anybody’s help. Pam. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: window-eyes serial
To my knowledge, when you are running the Office version of WinEyes, you would need additional license to run any speech synthesizer apart from Eloquence. Since the WinEyes+Office project was discontinued several years ago, I am afraid you won't get much farther. You could of course try calling Freedom Scientific, and ask if they could sell you some license for Dectalk. Others might have better ideas. Not sure if the DecTalk manufacturer would sell you a standalone license, but might be worth a try. David On 11/21/2020 10:31 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: Hello to all, I just installed the latest version of window-eyes. Is there any way to use the dectalk access 32 synthesizer? I have the window-eyes for office version. Thanks, Darrell http://www.startechconsulting.org Phone or Text: 865-315-7606 Hours: Tuesday-Friday: 9:00AM-5:00PM Saturday & Sunday: By appointment only ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com . ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-eyes enhanced app
If you go to your Program Files (86), Then to GWMicro, and then to WinEyes. This is the program folder for the WinEyes installation. In my case, there are 269 entries, and the file you are looking for, is number 262. So easiest is to go to the end of the list, by hitting the End key, and scroll a few upwards. On my system, it is located directly above the WindowsLive file. It is clearly stated as WindowsEnhance.wepm. Hit Enter, and you should be rolling. In case you do not find the file here either, let me know, and I will send it to you. David On 11/19/2020 5:01 AM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote: Hello Rod and other interested persons, I don't know how I did it, but I lost my copy of the "Window-eyes enhanced" app. Please could you send it to me as an email attachment. As the list probably does not accept attachments, please send to: donald.robert...@gmail.com Thanks Don Roberts ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Toggling Speech In Window-Eyes
Georges, open your WinEyes control panel, and place yourself in the tree of choices. Scroll down to Hotkeys, and expand it. Then arrow down to Miscellaneous. Now tab once, and you land in a list of some 50 different things, for which you can set a dedicated hotkey. What you are looking for, is the one that says something like Silence. It is far down the list, something like 42 or near that - so keep scrolling. When found, tab over to the button that says Define Hotkey and hit Enter. Then press the hotkey of your choice. You will receive confirmation. Remember to hit Ctrl-S, to save your settings. As an extra note, please be aware that you can set the hotkey for a global scope. In that case, it will work no matter where you are on your computer. Alternatively, you can set it to only work for a given piece of software. In case you want it to only apply for a specific application, make sure to focus that application prior to bringing up your control panel. Further, make sure to associate a set file with that application - something you do from the Association branch of the treeview. When in the hotkey section, make sure to press space on the choice for whether it should be linked with the application only, or set as a global hotkey. Your speech should inform you of the setting. This feature is not set to any hotkey by default. And frankly, I never used it myself. Reason I even know about it, is that I recently had to redefine a hotkey, and came across the listing. As for Jaws, I am not sure how to do this acrobatic excersie, so others will have to educate the two of us. Pretty sure, there might be a way to do it in that screen reader as well. Hope this took you one step further. On 3/28/2020 12:46 PM, Georges Zeinoun via Talk wrote: Is there a way to accomplish this task with a hotkey without entering Window-Eyes control panel? ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Skype
Have been invited to participate in a group on Skype. It's been more like a decade since I last touched that platform. I do remember GW had a product named GWConnect, which was designed for hooking up on services like Skype. But it was discontinued that many years back, I don't even remember when. Anyone here on Skype? What is your experience with the platform as of today? Which screen reader should I use, WinEyes, NVDA, or Jaws? I mean, for getting the better result. Even, is there any app for Android phones, that will be adviceable for a blind user? Further, if any of you have suggestions as to how to setup, or operate the Skype system, I am all ears. Being so long, and due to the fact that Skype changed owners meanwhile, I am not even sure how to get started. Do I have to operate Skype over the web, or do I download a client to run right on my computer. And if so, is there any trip-traps to overcome with the screen reader usage. All in all, whatever feedback you can give me, I am all thankful. Please note, it is already decided that the session will be over the Skype platform, so advice regarding alternative methods, will not help me much right now - though they might be useful enough in other cases. Thanks to all. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: OT - Firefox
Tiny correction, and not sure if it matters. I just checked with my installation, and I have FF52.9, 32bit running on a 64bit Windows. Though not totally stabil, it does what it is supposed to, on most websites. At least what I have tested it for. Then again, it does not hold all security updates. Chrome is one alternative, which will work even in the newest update, You then will have to deal with Google. What I find, is that different websites seemingly are written for one browser or the other. So bringing your full toolbox, might be the better idea. It will all depend on what you are used to, and how well the site is constructed. Some sites will appear without important controls being vissible to the screen reader. Loading exactly the same webpage in another browser, all the sudden every control shows up, and are workable with the screen reader. Other sites are showing up with all controls, but no matter which screen reader you use, they seem non-operative with assistive technology. As for a screen reader, NVDA has come a long way. And I find it often takes me out of a stuck spot, whenever WinEyes goes for lunch. Then again, other times WinEyes is the only one that will pick up on certain things on the screen. Again, your complete toolbox. Like someone already pointed out, Firefox changed their approach to the screen a couple of years ago. Unfortunately that broke the chance for WinEyes to cowork with the browser. Still, if you want to go with the older version of the browser, you will find the version from here: https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/52.9.0esr/win32/en-US/Firefox%20Setup%2052.9.0esr.exe According to some claims on the net, it should still run under Win10. As for NVDA and Firefox, I only can tell that I did install a version of Firefox, a good while back. It was one of the newer versions, with the new screen approach, I think it was a version in the 60's. The little I tested it, NVDA seemed to do well enough. On 3/6/2020 10:00 PM, net bat2 via Talk wrote: > the e s r version is only upgraded once per year. only the security updates are installed. > but i don't think w e is really working for you with this version. > even when it did the 64bit version would disable browse mode. > only the 32 bit version worked without problems. > ff 52.7 e s r is the last version that is fully compatible with w e 9.5 if you can find it. > jaws 2020 does. i don't know about n v d a. > > -Original Message- From: Martha via Talk > Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 12:46 PM > To: t...@window-eyes.com > Cc: Martha > Subject: OT - Firefox > > As far back as 2017, there was a problem with a FF release for screen > reader users. As I recall, it was recommended that screen reader users > rollback to an ESR version and disallow auto updates. > Fast forward to March 2020. I am now running a Windows 10, 64-bit, OS, > version 1909. > The version of Firefox is 68.5.0 ESR, 64-bit. > > A sighted friend was going to update FF for me, but, he was thrown off > by the ESR version. He was also concerned that more current versions of > FF were not 64-bit. > > Anybody got any advice on what version of FF I should be running? > > Thanks. > > Martha > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Solving Mouse Trap
Think I messed up one of the links. Here it is: https://java.com/en/download/help/manual_regedit.xml David On 3/4/2020 5:12 PM, David via Talk wrote: > Sleeping dogs, disturbing cats, and the misbehaving mouse. Peter, you > sure have got the whole zoo - right there on your desk. If now you use > DuckDuckGo as your search engine, you would just about be there. Smiles. > > I am not going to lengthen anything. Just thought to leave you a couple > of tips, that you may want to consider. > > Went to my search engine, and typed the term: > Uninstalling Java. > > It resulted in a list of sites that gave a few suggestions. Wanted to > share with you a couple of addresses, that might point you in further > direction. But first of all, did you know the manufacturer of Java had > their own removal tool? > You will find it here: > https://javadl-esd-secure.oracle.com/update/jut/JavaUninstallTool.exe > > The above link should start the download immediately. You will get an > .EXE file, which you can run directly. No need for any pre-installation. > It supposedly will remove all traces of Java, found on your system. And > since it is a stand-alone software, it might just be a bit more > intensive than the Windows installer itself. I do not have Java on my > system, so running the tool, I was only able to get to the first screen, > which informed me of the lack of Java on my computer. At least that far, > WinEyes had no trouble in reading the screen. Be aware, the mouse did > not work on the screen, so you will likely have to use your Tab, Enter > and Spacebar. But ain't that the way we like it? > > As an alternative, I want to point you to CCleaner. If you start that > program, and on the main screen go to Tools, then hit Enter. Further > browse the screen for the Uninstaller, and Click Enter. You now will be > taken to CCleaners Software Remover, which might be able to remove > things that Windows will not handle on its own. > > A couple of the sites I checked, adviced using a third-party remover, > like Revo. Not sure. Seem to remember someone telling the newer versions > of Revo to have issues with screen readers, but that is all by memory, > so you might want to check that out with the community before attempting > to use it. If you can get it working, it might be far more agressive > than Windows Installer, and might be better at bypassing obstacles like > the ones you mentioned. Further I learnt from my search, that sometimes > a broken installation or update can leave your Registry entries in a > non-working state. This could in turn block you from future updates, or > even the very removal of pieces of software. On the Java home page, you > find a couple of suggestions in such cases. One automated from > Microsoft, which seems to be rather high-tech. The other suggestion did > seem to be a bit more doable, but requires a number of manual steps. You > find it all here: > The techie one, from Microsoft: > https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17588/windows-fix-problems-that-block-programs-being-installed-or-removed > , also read this: > https://www.guidingtech.com/20274/completely-remove-uninstall-java-windows-pc/ > , as well as this one, from Java themselves: > https://java.com/en/download/help/uninstall_java.xml > > Hope any of the listed info will prove helpful, and that you can get > Java off your computer. It might take a bit of time and energy, but once > your system is rid of that software package altogether, you may just > find your syste m less troublesome. Make sure the JavaBridge from > GWMicro will be removed as well. I do wonder if that used to be listed > in the Windows Uninstall list, if it ever is on your PC. > > You said you do not know how Java came to be on your computer first > hand. Certainly, it could have come buntled with other software that you > might have installed at a point. Or the Tech personel could have thought > either they or you needed the package for who knows what reason. But > just as likely, it might have come buntled with your computer, the day > you bought it. Specially so if you bought it brand new, from one of the > major brands. HP, for one, used to love speckling their systems with > loads of software that they found you would need. Starting your new > system, you would find it to be loaded down with resource hungry pieces > of software, that you never asked for, and never had any benefit from. > Notice that still certain models from major brands are advertised with > loads of such software pre-installed by default. Too bad, as it often > means for the user to have to uninstall a rather big chunk of his new > system, even before he can start enjoying his newcomer. Once the > computers are ripped for this kind of
Re: Solving Mouse Trap
; expected. Trouble is, I don't know when and why this happens. >>>> Restarting WE or restarting the computer does not solve the problem >>>> when the mouse keys do not work. I only noticed this strange behaviour >>>> a few days ago. I was not messking around with any settings at the >>>> time but had just started my computer. Whether the moue keys >>>> areworking or not, WE may just start parts of the screen I am not >>>> interested in. >>>> >>>> As for backing up, I don't know how to back up my C drive but I have a >>>> copy of my WE Defult folder and I have all my data files backed up. I >>>> am not very good at writing batch files, especially for Windows, so >>>> would be very glad to have your batch file which you mentioned. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance. >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- From: David >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 8:15 PM >>>> To: peter Chin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>>> Subject: Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes >>>> >>>> Your mouse keys do not work as expected? Sorry to hear that. Yet, I am >>>> afraid i do not know what exactly you mean. Is it something going >>>> on in >>>> all applications, or is it only (at least mainly) happening in some >>>> particular piece of software.? Are you aware when it all started, >>>> and if >>>> so, do you have a clue what you did just prior to this behavior taking >>>> place? >>>> >>>> Reason I am assking, is that it might point us in the direction of >>>> picking up a solution for you. In case you have made any updates, >>>> played >>>> around with some settings, or installed some extra software or apps >>>> - it >>>> might be a place to start helping you out. Could you explain, please, >>>> what it is you expect, and what does not work? >>>> >>>> It has been a known fact, that the mouse sometimes gets stuck in a >>>> position on the screen. Usually this would mean one of the corners. >>>> And >>>> why this happens might have as many answers as there are questions. >>>> Still, whenever something show up in that posistion - like some status >>>> message, for instance - WinEyes will read it out to you. That is >>>> because >>>> the screen reader is doing its job, however strange that might sound. >>>> See, the screen reader is such constructed, that it will keep an >>>> eye on >>>> your screen, and let you know whenever some info shows up, in places >>>> that you tell is of special interest. Placing your mouse, is one >>>> way of >>>> telling the screen reader to watch out for updated info. Now, if your >>>> mouse runs over and dig itself a new hole, wherever on your screen, >>>> the >>>> screen reader will track the mouse, and determine that likely you >>>> enjoy >>>> to have it chattering everything that the mouse "sniffs" in its stuck >>>> position. No, I am not trying to be jokie. This is the real fact. The >>>> big issue, and main solution, will be to have the mouse dragged loose >>>> from its stubborn place, and tell it to behave like good tiny mice are >>>> supposed to. >>>> >>>> Exactly why your mouse misbehaves, will be the thing we need to guess >>>> and play around. >>>> >>>> Are you on a desktop, or a laptop computer? If on a laptop, could >>>> it be >>>> that you accidentially are activating the touchpad when operating the >>>> computer. Some computers can turn off the touchpad, and if that is the >>>> case with yours, you might have ended up turning it back on - meaning >>>> that every time you place your hands on the laptop, you are in the >>>> risk >>>> of swiping the sensors of the pad, and the mouse will run like as if >>>> you >>>> had let the cat into the room. Solutions then, could be to make >>>> sure to >>>> deactivate the touchpad, adjust the sensitivity, or whatever features >>>> your computer offers you. Or, simply connect a USB mouse, and hide >>>> it in >>>> the very rear of your desk, that you don't ever get in touch with it. >>>> >>>> Do you have the habit of once in a while backing up your system? or at >>>>
Re: Command for new folder creation
Hey, guess what, the Ctrl-Shift-N even worked on my Win7 machine, once I used the bypass. Thanks alot, still learning. Glad I do not have to deal with the ribbon. Never got used to it, so its great news there will be some hotkeys to benefit from, the day I make the move. David On 3/1/2020 9:28 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote: > Windows 10 uses a ribbon in File Explorer. One of the side effects of > this is that you get some alt-number shortcuts. You can change their > definitions, but they come with a few. And they are not very > consistent among programs, and I think not even consistent within > parts of some large programs. So I tend not to use them. > By default, ctrl-shift-N is the Window-Eyes hotkey for reading a field > name. So unless you have remapped this key, you might need to press > the bypass keystroke first. To check your current Window-Eyes hotkey > mappings, you can use Insert-1. > > > > Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD > http://lras.home.sprynet.com > -----Original Message- From: David via Talk > Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2020 4:46 AM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Cc: David > Subject: Re: Command for new folder creation > > OK, so is this a new feature of Win10? > > > If I understood the initial message right, sitting Windows Explorer, you > should be able to press Alt-2, and get the creation of a new folder. I > tried with my Win7 system, just for the fun of it. Went to Windows > Explorer, hit Alt-2, and a little later Google Chrome opened. I thought > that was strange enough, but decided to explore what would happen if I > pressed Alt-3. Guess what, Google Chrome came up once again. I now > decided to test the alternativ that was mentioned, Ctrl-Shif-N, in my > Windows Explorer. To disappoint any Win7 users, it generated no action > at all. > > > I know, this was a Win10 question, and hope not to put anyone off track. > Just thought how strange it is, that not only does it seem to be > different from one system to the other, but even might generate > different results from one Operativ System to the next one. Yet another > challenge, when developers are not too consistent with their hotkeys. > Particularly as menu and ribbon navigation increasingly becomes more of > a job. > > David > > On 3/1/2020 8:45 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: >> And while we're at it, I'm running 1903 and both commands work. Go >> figure. >> I'm not aware of a way to edit these types of commands, but you may be >> able to find it with a little help from Google. >> Good luck, >> Tom >> >> >> On 2/29/2020 11:28 PM, Carol Smith via Talk wrote: >>> Hi Donald, >>> >>> I never knew about the alt-2 command. I am currently running version >>> 1903 and this command does work. The shift-control-n command does >>> nothing on my computer. I find this a bit funny that we both are >>> running 10 but have to use different commmands to do the same task. >>> >>> Carol >>> On 2/29/2020 11:59 AM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote: >>>> I’m running W E 9.5.4.0 on a Windows 10 desktop; operating system >>>> windows 1809, a recent version. I realize that 1909 is the latest, >>>> but I am in no hurry to upgrade. >>>> >>>> When I first installed the earliest version of Windows 10, the >>>> command to create a new folder was alt 2. For the past several >>>> months, I can no longer use Alt 2 to create a new folder. Instead, >>>> shift control N will create a new folder. This is true regardless of >>>> whether I am using Window-eyes or Jaws 18. I have never knowingly >>>> installed a key remapper on this or any system, so I have no idea >>>> whatsoever as to why I can no longer use alt 2. Could any lister >>>> explain why this might have happened and also how I can get alt 2 >>>> back as the appropriate command for folder creation. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Don Roberts >>>> ___ >>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >>>> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>>> >>>> For membership options, visit >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/carogsmith%40embarqmail.com. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> For subscription options, visit >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>> List archives can be found at >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cg
Re: Solving Mouse Trap
good tiny mice are >>> supposed to. >>> >>> Exactly why your mouse misbehaves, will be the thing we need to guess >>> and play around. >>> >>> Are you on a desktop, or a laptop computer? If on a laptop, could it be >>> that you accidentially are activating the touchpad when operating the >>> computer. Some computers can turn off the touchpad, and if that is the >>> case with yours, you might have ended up turning it back on - meaning >>> that every time you place your hands on the laptop, you are in the risk >>> of swiping the sensors of the pad, and the mouse will run like as if >>> you >>> had let the cat into the room. Solutions then, could be to make sure to >>> deactivate the touchpad, adjust the sensitivity, or whatever features >>> your computer offers you. Or, simply connect a USB mouse, and hide >>> it in >>> the very rear of your desk, that you don't ever get in touch with it. >>> >>> Do you have the habit of once in a while backing up your system? or at >>> least the WinEyes profile folder? If so, probably one quick fix >>> would be >>> to simply copy your backup into the profile folder - thereby rolling >>> your screen reader back to a point of well-behaving. >>> >>> If you do not own a bakup hard drive, there are a few suggestions for >>> regularly being able to back up your screen reader profile, along with >>> other personal files and settings. First of all, the WinEyes folder >>> usually do not get very big. So even a cheap memory card of any size >>> from 1GB and up, will suffice. That is, if your computer has a memory >>> card slot. Otherwise, USB pen drives, again from 1GB and up, will be >>> something to consider. Dig deep in your desk drawer, and see if you >>> have >>> some old hardware that can be put to good use here. And what if you >>> simply don't have either cards or pen drives? Make for yourself a >>> subfolder on your main hard disk. Name it something like: >>> My Backup. >>> Simply copy any stuff from all over your hard disk, that you want to >>> make an extra backup of, into this local space. It might prove helpful, >>> since you don't have to connect and disconnect anything, whenever you >>> want a backup. You could even make a tiny batch file, that sits on your >>> desktop, and whenever being called, would back up files from several >>> locations. Then run it once a week, or every time you think you have >>> made important updates and changes. It will not work for a backup of >>> your complete system, and not for Windows itself. it might not take >>> care >>> of all backup issues. But it will do for things like your screen reader >>> profile and personal files. >>> >>> And if you are not comfortable in writing batch files, I do have a tiny >>> script here, that I developed a number of years ago. It will let you >>> set >>> up a list of files and locations, that can be copied in one go. It is >>> written outside WinEyes, meaning it can be run from anywhere, and with >>> whichever screen reader you prefer. Whoever wants a copy, can >>> contact me >>> off-list, and I'd send it over. >>> >>> Or, you could of course use an Online service for backing up, like >>> OneDrive or Dropbox. Unfortunately, online services are not as private >>> as they want you to believe, so keep that in mind. In case you have a >>> backup media, you might want a backup client, that automatically will >>> keep track of any changes. For one, Casper will be a choice to >>> consider. >>> Good thing about such solution, is that you can back up your whole >>> system. even the Operativ System. Have used it a good deal, and >>> benefitted from it at the latest this last week, when my system got >>> screwed up, and I could simply swap disks, and be up running in no >>> time. >>> >>> OK, long message, and not sure it helped you much. But to be of more >>> assistance, I think we need to know more specifically what is your >>> issue, in its details. >>> >>> >>> David >>> >>> On 2/26/2020 8:23 AM, peter Chin wrote: >>>> es, the Window-Eyes for office still works for Windows 8.1 which I am >>>> using. However, within the last few days it has been behaving >>>> strangely. My mouse keys don't work properly and Window_eyes keeps >>>> reading other parts of the screen, especi
Re: A big problem with Winamp, help please!
y went after Window-Eyes in what I suspect was a > rather underhanded manner. But then again, that is just personal > opinion and suspicion. Maybe the guys at GWMicro could have played > things a little smarter, but the loss of both the product and such a > good company with such fine staff was IMHO a travesty. > > > Sorry, really didn't mean to digress in such a manner, but there are > just some things for which I find WE quite Necessary, especially as > they relate to Reading my books from Bookshare. It looks like IE11 is > the only handy way I can find to read them, and WE and their browse > mode in their present condition on my system leave much to be desired. > But, who knows, maybe RegClean may play an important part in clearing > things up. > > > Thanks for reading this far. I will be shouting from the rooftops as > well as the Net if I finally come up with a solution. > > > Take care, > > > Larry > > On 2/28/2020 12:50 PM, David via Talk wrote: >> As for trouble with the Registry, CCleaner might be of some help. You >> find it at >> >> ccleaner.com >> >> The Home Standard version, is free of charge. Basically, long as you do >> not change the factory settings, it might be safe enough to run. But you >> might want to go through the settings, to make sure it does what you >> want, and nothing more. In the Main menu, choose Options, then Settings. >> Work your way through the tabs, and it will at least give you an idea >> what kind of issues the cleaner will care for. >> >> >> Note that a cleaner will not repair anything. It will remove things that >> seem to be outdated or left-overs, even broken. In other words, if your >> MP3's do not play, the cleaner might not fix that in itself. But it >> might remove a broken connection between your file type and the player. >> This will leave the MP3 connection open so to speak, and you then will >> be able to reconnect it with your chosen player. Broken connections, or >> associations, may cause trouble to many things on your computer, since >> they serve as a road map for the computer to know where to take given >> info, and what to do about it. Such broken stuff might come from >> uninstalling, updating or otherwise changing software on your PC. They >> can even arise as a consequence of a power failure, a failed or >> cancelled operation, a forced shut down of the system, or any untold >> reasons. >> >> >> Another software that I have been benefitting from, and which takes care >> of different issues, is SpyBot Search and Destroy. One place to get that >> one from, is: >> >> ninite.com >> >> >> SpyBot is an Anti-Spyware. But due to the fact that spyware includes a >> number of techniques, and some of them meddle with many things on your >> computer, a side-effect of SpyBot is that it might happen to clean out >> things that solves technical issues. Again, the benefit of such, is that >> it leaves you with a more clean PC, and makes it easier for you to >> troubleshoot. Leaving factory settings usually is the best way, but it >> leaves you certain control over its activity. >> >> >> Both the above cleaners do work with WinEyes. They are, as most modern >> software, quite mouse entensive. As a note, I just tested them this >> morning when cleaning up my system, with Jaws 18 and likewise NVDA. >> Clearly, WinEyes offered you the best control. Even in CCleaner's latest >> version, NVDA worked only so well, and Jaws failed altogether. WinEyes >> got the job done. Funny how different screen readers work, and how the >> old approach sometimes is the better go. >> >> >> All of this, only for your information. >> >> >> David >> >> On 2/26/2020 9:40 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: >>> Hey Rod, that's OK, we all have days like that. I just decided to go >>> for it, because since other extensions were being likewise effected, I >>> just deduced that it must definitely be a registry issue. Certainly a >>> chance worth taking, especially since I didn't figure it could do any >>> real damage considering that I hadn't installed anything else over the >>> past week. >>> >>> >>> I did uninstall and reinstall Winamp, but to no avail. I started to >>> realize that the registry might be an issue when I tried to change the >>> preference through the default app extensions option, and found that >>> there was nothing for .mp3 without that Winamp URL Command Handler >>> thing. >>> >>> >>> I did d
Re: Command for new folder creation
OK, so is this a new feature of Win10? If I understood the initial message right, sitting Windows Explorer, you should be able to press Alt-2, and get the creation of a new folder. I tried with my Win7 system, just for the fun of it. Went to Windows Explorer, hit Alt-2, and a little later Google Chrome opened. I thought that was strange enough, but decided to explore what would happen if I pressed Alt-3. Guess what, Google Chrome came up once again. I now decided to test the alternativ that was mentioned, Ctrl-Shif-N, in my Windows Explorer. To disappoint any Win7 users, it generated no action at all. I know, this was a Win10 question, and hope not to put anyone off track. Just thought how strange it is, that not only does it seem to be different from one system to the other, but even might generate different results from one Operativ System to the next one. Yet another challenge, when developers are not too consistent with their hotkeys. Particularly as menu and ribbon navigation increasingly becomes more of a job. David On 3/1/2020 8:45 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: > And while we're at it, I'm running 1903 and both commands work. Go > figure. > I'm not aware of a way to edit these types of commands, but you may be > able to find it with a little help from Google. > Good luck, > Tom > > > On 2/29/2020 11:28 PM, Carol Smith via Talk wrote: >> Hi Donald, >> >> I never knew about the alt-2 command. I am currently running version >> 1903 and this command does work. The shift-control-n command does >> nothing on my computer. I find this a bit funny that we both are >> running 10 but have to use different commmands to do the same task. >> >> Carol >> On 2/29/2020 11:59 AM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote: >>> I’m running W E 9.5.4.0 on a Windows 10 desktop; operating system >>> windows 1809, a recent version. I realize that 1909 is the latest, >>> but I am in no hurry to upgrade. >>> >>> When I first installed the earliest version of Windows 10, the >>> command to create a new folder was alt 2. For the past several >>> months, I can no longer use Alt 2 to create a new folder. Instead, >>> shift control N will create a new folder. This is true regardless of >>> whether I am using Window-eyes or Jaws 18. I have never knowingly >>> installed a key remapper on this or any system, so I have no idea >>> whatsoever as to why I can no longer use alt 2. Could any lister >>> explain why this might have happened and also how I can get alt 2 >>> back as the appropriate command for folder creation. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Don Roberts >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >>> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/carogsmith%40embarqmail.com. >>> >>> >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. >> >> >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Solving Mouse Trap; (was: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes)
o be jokie. This is the real fact. The >> big issue, and main solution, will be to have the mouse dragged loose >> from its stubborn place, and tell it to behave like good tiny mice are >> supposed to. >> >> Exactly why your mouse misbehaves, will be the thing we need to guess >> and play around. >> >> Are you on a desktop, or a laptop computer? If on a laptop, could it be >> that you accidentially are activating the touchpad when operating the >> computer. Some computers can turn off the touchpad, and if that is the >> case with yours, you might have ended up turning it back on - meaning >> that every time you place your hands on the laptop, you are in the risk >> of swiping the sensors of the pad, and the mouse will run like as if you >> had let the cat into the room. Solutions then, could be to make sure to >> deactivate the touchpad, adjust the sensitivity, or whatever features >> your computer offers you. Or, simply connect a USB mouse, and hide it in >> the very rear of your desk, that you don't ever get in touch with it. >> >> Do you have the habit of once in a while backing up your system? or at >> least the WinEyes profile folder? If so, probably one quick fix would be >> to simply copy your backup into the profile folder - thereby rolling >> your screen reader back to a point of well-behaving. >> >> If you do not own a bakup hard drive, there are a few suggestions for >> regularly being able to back up your screen reader profile, along with >> other personal files and settings. First of all, the WinEyes folder >> usually do not get very big. So even a cheap memory card of any size >> from 1GB and up, will suffice. That is, if your computer has a memory >> card slot. Otherwise, USB pen drives, again from 1GB and up, will be >> something to consider. Dig deep in your desk drawer, and see if you have >> some old hardware that can be put to good use here. And what if you >> simply don't have either cards or pen drives? Make for yourself a >> subfolder on your main hard disk. Name it something like: >> My Backup. >> Simply copy any stuff from all over your hard disk, that you want to >> make an extra backup of, into this local space. It might prove helpful, >> since you don't have to connect and disconnect anything, whenever you >> want a backup. You could even make a tiny batch file, that sits on your >> desktop, and whenever being called, would back up files from several >> locations. Then run it once a week, or every time you think you have >> made important updates and changes. It will not work for a backup of >> your complete system, and not for Windows itself. it might not take care >> of all backup issues. But it will do for things like your screen reader >> profile and personal files. >> >> And if you are not comfortable in writing batch files, I do have a tiny >> script here, that I developed a number of years ago. It will let you set >> up a list of files and locations, that can be copied in one go. It is >> written outside WinEyes, meaning it can be run from anywhere, and with >> whichever screen reader you prefer. Whoever wants a copy, can contact me >> off-list, and I'd send it over. >> >> Or, you could of course use an Online service for backing up, like >> OneDrive or Dropbox. Unfortunately, online services are not as private >> as they want you to believe, so keep that in mind. In case you have a >> backup media, you might want a backup client, that automatically will >> keep track of any changes. For one, Casper will be a choice to consider. >> Good thing about such solution, is that you can back up your whole >> system. even the Operativ System. Have used it a good deal, and >> benefitted from it at the latest this last week, when my system got >> screwed up, and I could simply swap disks, and be up running in no time. >> >> OK, long message, and not sure it helped you much. But to be of more >> assistance, I think we need to know more specifically what is your >> issue, in its details. >> >> >> David >> >> On 2/26/2020 8:23 AM, peter Chin wrote: >>> es, the Window-Eyes for office still works for Windows 8.1 which I am >>> using. However, within the last few days it has been behaving >>> strangely. My mouse keys don't work properly and Window_eyes keeps >>> reading other parts of the screen, especially the areas where the >>> mouse is sitting. Any suggestions as to how to resolve the problem >>> will be much appreciated. >>> -
Re: A big problem with Winamp, help please!
As for trouble with the Registry, CCleaner might be of some help. You find it at ccleaner.com The Home Standard version, is free of charge. Basically, long as you do not change the factory settings, it might be safe enough to run. But you might want to go through the settings, to make sure it does what you want, and nothing more. In the Main menu, choose Options, then Settings. Work your way through the tabs, and it will at least give you an idea what kind of issues the cleaner will care for. Note that a cleaner will not repair anything. It will remove things that seem to be outdated or left-overs, even broken. In other words, if your MP3's do not play, the cleaner might not fix that in itself. But it might remove a broken connection between your file type and the player. This will leave the MP3 connection open so to speak, and you then will be able to reconnect it with your chosen player. Broken connections, or associations, may cause trouble to many things on your computer, since they serve as a road map for the computer to know where to take given info, and what to do about it. Such broken stuff might come from uninstalling, updating or otherwise changing software on your PC. They can even arise as a consequence of a power failure, a failed or cancelled operation, a forced shut down of the system, or any untold reasons. Another software that I have been benefitting from, and which takes care of different issues, is SpyBot Search and Destroy. One place to get that one from, is: ninite.com SpyBot is an Anti-Spyware. But due to the fact that spyware includes a number of techniques, and some of them meddle with many things on your computer, a side-effect of SpyBot is that it might happen to clean out things that solves technical issues. Again, the benefit of such, is that it leaves you with a more clean PC, and makes it easier for you to troubleshoot. Leaving factory settings usually is the best way, but it leaves you certain control over its activity. Both the above cleaners do work with WinEyes. They are, as most modern software, quite mouse entensive. As a note, I just tested them this morning when cleaning up my system, with Jaws 18 and likewise NVDA. Clearly, WinEyes offered you the best control. Even in CCleaner's latest version, NVDA worked only so well, and Jaws failed altogether. WinEyes got the job done. Funny how different screen readers work, and how the old approach sometimes is the better go. All of this, only for your information. David On 2/26/2020 9:40 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: > > Hey Rod, that's OK, we all have days like that. I just decided to go > for it, because since other extensions were being likewise effected, I > just deduced that it must definitely be a registry issue. Certainly a > chance worth taking, especially since I didn't figure it could do any > real damage considering that I hadn't installed anything else over the > past week. > > > I did uninstall and reinstall Winamp, but to no avail. I started to > realize that the registry might be an issue when I tried to change the > preference through the default app extensions option, and found that > there was nothing for .mp3 without that Winamp URL Command Handler thing. > > > I did download your copy of the last version of Winamp > > . I've forgotten, but that might be the version I am already running. > > > Hmm, no it isn't mine is in the 5 range. I'll have to fix that right > away. > > > When it comes to WE, I think we might should discuss that in private. > If you can help me resurrect/revive this thing, it would be most > helpful. I'm afraid I've lost your address with all the issues of > late, so maybe you could send me a message so that I can get you back > in my address book. > > > I can give you a couple of examples of where it is letting me down, > and that is with IE11. As it is, I can get only one key to echo, well > maybe two, the period, and the space bar > > . Also headers and all other browse mode functionality is gone. Very > frustrating. > > > OK, that is enough for the present. Hope to talk to you soon. > > > Larry > > > >> >> >> >>> at 1:19 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk >>> wrote: >> thought I'd better make that correction. >> >>> On 2/24/2020 12:11 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: >>> Hello listers, >>> >>> >>> And I sure hope you can help me with this one. >>> >>> >>> For some reason, as of earlier this morning, Winamp wants to >>> treat my .mp3 files as if they are audio streams. I hear >>> something, or did, like"URL file handler file type," and the >>> files will no longer play. If I load an mp3 audio stream that >>> uses an m3u file, it will load that stream, just not regular mp3 >>> files. >>> >>> >>> Please don't tell me I should move to another player, because >>> I'm sure that either this issue or another could arise when
Re: Accessible JPG to TIF converter.
This might not be the solution you are after, but still here is a couple of ideas for you to consider. If you are the owner of any OCR program, like Omnipage, you should have the chance in there, to perform your conversion. Note that you will need a stand-alone, full-fledged OCR. The one that was provided with the VirtualView app, might not have this capability. Secondly, if your files are not too personal, or does not contain sensitive info, you might want to use an online service. It will let you upload one or more files, convert them to the format of your choice, and provide you with a downloadable result of the conversion. And there are numerous free services like that. To wet your apetite, I went to my browser, and let it search for the following term: online converter jpg to tiff . Simple as that, you get a long list of choices. I do not have a jpg for real testing, so I just quickly had a look at a couple of pages. Here is one, that seemingly should be not too complicated in its layout, that it would be possible for a screen reader user to handle it. Some sites are way too complicated in their layout, whilst others have a somehow more easly navigation for both the upload and download. It will have to be tested, and like I said, I have not done so. Hence, please take this as just an example of what you can get: https://onlineconvertfree.com/convert-format/jpg-to-tiff/ The above site, tells that it offers you convertion of a long line (something like 200) different filetypes. So enjoy. Why do you need to convert the file? If you want to run an OCR on the file, and need a TIFF file to run the OCR, maybe you could just as well get an OCR service that will take the jpg directly. In every convertion step, there is a risk of something getting lost or messsed up. The school for the blind in Denmark, Europe - along with the blind organization in the same country - has an online service for converting a number of filetypes into text or audio. I do not remember if the jpg is supported there, but you might want to check it out. It is free, and could be handy for other projects. Even if you ever need a document - like a pdf - turned into text. Their address is: robobraille.org And good thing about it being run by the school for the blind, of course is that it is all accessible. You will be guided through all steps. Don't let yourself be thrown off the wagon, just because it is located in Denmark. They have already taken care of the lingual part. The site is offered in numerous languages, like English, German, Spanish and Italian. And of course in Danish, should you want to have some fun. Smiles. RoboBraille will convert your file, and send it to you per EMail, that you can store it wherever you might prefer. They do not store your document, anything longer than what it takes to process it. Sometimes that could take a few minutes, depending on the traffic on the servers. Have benefitted from their services a few times. Again, I know this was not exactly what you were asking, but thought to leave you some alternatives. Even if they did not help you right now, they might be worth for later situations. David On 2/27/2020 5:16 PM, fenderwal--- via Talk wrote: > Hey, folks. > > As you know, Window-Eyes can't OCR a JPG file. I could have sworn I had a > file converter on my computer, but well... > > Any recommendations for software that will do the job? > > TIA, > Lou N. > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes
t; from its stubborn place, and tell it to behave like good tiny mice are > supposed to. > > Exactly why your mouse misbehaves, will be the thing we need to guess > and play around. > > Are you on a desktop, or a laptop computer? If on a laptop, could it be > that you accidentially are activating the touchpad when operating the > computer. Some computers can turn off the touchpad, and if that is the > case with yours, you might have ended up turning it back on - meaning > that every time you place your hands on the laptop, you are in the risk > of swiping the sensors of the pad, and the mouse will run like as if you > had let the cat into the room. Solutions then, could be to make sure to > deactivate the touchpad, adjust the sensitivity, or whatever features > your computer offers you. Or, simply connect a USB mouse, and hide it in > the very rear of your desk, that you don't ever get in touch with it. > > Do you have the habit of once in a while backing up your system? or at > least the WinEyes profile folder? If so, probably one quick fix would be > to simply copy your backup into the profile folder - thereby rolling > your screen reader back to a point of well-behaving. > > If you do not own a bakup hard drive, there are a few suggestions for > regularly being able to back up your screen reader profile, along with > other personal files and settings. First of all, the WinEyes folder > usually do not get very big. So even a cheap memory card of any size > from 1GB and up, will suffice. That is, if your computer has a memory > card slot. Otherwise, USB pen drives, again from 1GB and up, will be > something to consider. Dig deep in your desk drawer, and see if you have > some old hardware that can be put to good use here. And what if you > simply don't have either cards or pen drives? Make for yourself a > subfolder on your main hard disk. Name it something like: > My Backup. > Simply copy any stuff from all over your hard disk, that you want to > make an extra backup of, into this local space. It might prove helpful, > since you don't have to connect and disconnect anything, whenever you > want a backup. You could even make a tiny batch file, that sits on your > desktop, and whenever being called, would back up files from several > locations. Then run it once a week, or every time you think you have > made important updates and changes. It will not work for a backup of > your complete system, and not for Windows itself. it might not take care > of all backup issues. But it will do for things like your screen reader > profile and personal files. > > And if you are not comfortable in writing batch files, I do have a tiny > script here, that I developed a number of years ago. It will let you set > up a list of files and locations, that can be copied in one go. It is > written outside WinEyes, meaning it can be run from anywhere, and with > whichever screen reader you prefer. Whoever wants a copy, can contact me > off-list, and I'd send it over. > > Or, you could of course use an Online service for backing up, like > OneDrive or Dropbox. Unfortunately, online services are not as private > as they want you to believe, so keep that in mind. In case you have a > backup media, you might want a backup client, that automatically will > keep track of any changes. For one, Casper will be a choice to consider. > Good thing about such solution, is that you can back up your whole > system. even the Operativ System. Have used it a good deal, and > benefitted from it at the latest this last week, when my system got > screwed up, and I could simply swap disks, and be up running in no time. > > OK, long message, and not sure it helped you much. But to be of more > assistance, I think we need to know more specifically what is your > issue, in its details. > > > David > > On 2/26/2020 8:23 AM, peter Chin wrote: >> es, the Window-Eyes for office still works for Windows 8.1 which I am >> using. However, within the last few days it has been behaving >> strangely. My mouse keys don't work properly and Window_eyes keeps >> reading other parts of the screen, especially the areas where the >> mouse is sitting. Any suggestions as to how to resolve the problem >> will be much appreciated. >> -Original Message- From: David via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 8:12 AM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Cc: David >> Subject: Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes >> >> Interesting. I just had a quick look. Going to >> >> gwmicro.com >> >> It sure looked like the site is still up. Yet, I did find nowhere to >> download anything but some tutorials, and a number of videos. Well, and >> then the Ap
Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes
omatically will keep track of any changes. For one, Casper will be a choice to consider. Good thing about such solution, is that you can back up your whole system. even the Operativ System. Have used it a good deal, and benefitted from it at the latest this last week, when my system got screwed up, and I could simply swap disks, and be up running in no time. OK, long message, and not sure it helped you much. But to be of more assistance, I think we need to know more specifically what is your issue, in its details. David On 2/26/2020 8:23 AM, peter Chin wrote: > es, the Window-Eyes for office still works for Windows 8.1 which I am > using. However, within the last few days it has been behaving > strangely. My mouse keys don't work properly and Window_eyes keeps > reading other parts of the screen, especially the areas where the > mouse is sitting. Any suggestions as to how to resolve the problem > will be much appreciated. > -----Original Message- From: David via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 8:12 AM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Cc: David > Subject: Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes > > Interesting. I just had a quick look. Going to > > gwmicro.com > > It sure looked like the site is still up. Yet, I did find nowhere to > download anything but some tutorials, and a number of videos. Well, and > then the App Central. Why I still wonder exactly which website the > assumed demo version would have been attempted downloaded from. > > If the user still knows the address where the download was attempted, > either retry the download and see if the file comes out with a more > trusty size, or try search the net for another download. Of course, > someone might have a demo sitting around, Does the Office version even > work any longer? Or is all that lane closed, after the cooperation > discontinued? I did not have any demos here, only my purchased versions. > > David > > On 2/25/2020 12:53 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: >> Actually the website is still online and it says 2020 AI Squared. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk >> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 3:46 PM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Cc: Loy Green >> Subject: Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes >> >> That site has not been active for a couple of years since Freedom > Scientific >> purchased ZoomText and Window Eyes. >> Window Eyes is no longer available unless you get it from a former >> user.- Original Message - >> From: "Armando Vias via Talk" >> To: >> Cc: "Armando Vias" >> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 5:19 PM >> Subject: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes >> >> >>> Hey all. >>> >>> This is my first post. >>> >>> For some reason, I can’t install the Window Eyes Program. It says > that it >>> is 83 bytes. When I try to install it, my computer says that it is >>> corrupted. I am using a 64-bit version of Windows 10. What should I do? >>> >>> Armando >>> >>> >>> — >>> Armando Vias >>> Owner of The Blind Advocate Network >>> Website: https://theblindadvocate.net >>> Phone: (404) 4803436 >>> Email: av...@theblindadvocate.net >>> Like my page on Facebook: > https://www.facebook.com/theblindadvocatenetwork >>> Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/theblndadvn >>> “Getting advocacy results for the blind.” >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. > > >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca. > >> For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-win
Re: A big problem with Winamp, help please!
WinAmp, is not my shoe number, so cannot offer you any direct help. But a couple of suggestions that might prove worth a try. First of all, should it be that you have something messed up in the Registry, I would suggest running a Registry cleanup. One thing wrong, likely several other issues will have built their nest in there as well. So how about for instance CCleaner? Or any other Registry Cleaner you prefer. Will specially be worth, since you mention there recently have been some kind of servicing on the computer. Who knows, if the technician has bothered running a cleanup. Smiles. Somewhere, and I do not know in Win10, you should be able to unregister filetypes. Unregistering it, and then attempting to reopen the given filetyp, you will be asked to pick your default program for the file in question. Yet, I am not sure if this really is your trouble, since it seemingly already opens in WinAmp. Still, give it a go. Does this happen with all your MP3-files? Or, could there be some issue with particular files? For a moment, try to play the file, with something else, like Windows Media Player (if that still is around in Win10). Usually, focusing the MP3 in Explorer, and then hitting the app-key, or Shift-F10, you will see a choice in the drop-down for replaying in Media Player. This just to make sure your files have not gotten corrupted. Do you have the chance of making a backup? Or at least, make a copy of your WinAmp folders on your hard drive. Then, in case there is such a functionality in WinAmp, you might try rolling it back to factory settings. Does that take care of your issue? If not, simply reinsert your backed up folders. At least, that works in many software. Though, WinAmp may have tons of its settings in the registry, and if so, this approach will delete all your user settings. So be careful what you do. Smiles. Of course, there is the fix you suggested yourself, to roll your computer back to an earlier restore point. Yet, if you'd just had it for service, and now you roll it back to a point prior to servicing, you might end up having to call that tech personel once again. At least, you might want to consider if you should roll back that far, that you know things were up running smoothly before servicing. That could mean a few weeks back. Big challenge then, would of course be to remember when things ran smoothly last time. By the way, does WinAmp fool around with any other filetypes? You told M3U's was no problem, but how about other files? Does WinAmp have any Email or Online forum? If so, try asking there if any users have experienced similar troubles. In itself, I don't see how, or why, WinEyes would be of any trouble in the issue you are facing. Unless the WinAmp app would have got messed up, but that would be quickly determined. Simply go to WinEyes Controlpanel, and turn off all apps - then see if that would be the bottleneck. Very likely not, but then you at least got something to spend your time and nerves on. Sorry for the joke. I just meant to say, if you want to turn every stone, there you have a pebble. I'd leave to other users of your player, to help you further. These were just some guess-work suggestions; places I often start when the computer is playing up on me. Sometimes, even closing the computer all down, and then letting it cold-boot from scratch, might solve a chunk of naggings. On 2/25/2020 5:36 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: > Oh yeah Rod, Winamp is the default for .mp3 files. It always has been. > The weirdness of it all is that the nature of the .mp3 file has been > changed > > to something else. Only God knows what. What I've been getting when > running them is another description namely - Winamp URL Command > Handler, and there is no such choice given either in Winamp settings, > or in Windows. I have tried changing the setting both in Windows > properties and default app settings in settings, but to no avail. I > can't seem to change these settings in Winamp at all, there seems to > be no way to actually select them. This situation is most unusual to > say the least. This only started happening this morning, so I am > really at a loss as to what might be going on. > > The only thing I can think of to do for it is to use system restore, > and see if maybe the registry hasn't become corrupted. > > Someone on another list suggested that there might be some files that > winamp might preserve in case people wish to simply reinstall, but > nevertheless keep their settings, and I can certainly see that as a > possibility. I can't decide if I should once again uninstall Winamp > and then go to the various folders that pertain to Winamp and delete > all of them in order to make sure I really get a clean restart, but I > dunno. If you have any suggestions, I'd be very happy to hear them. > > Oh well, I'm pretty tired of it now, so will take this on tomorrow. > > Wish me luck. I'm sure
Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes
Interesting. I just had a quick look. Going to gwmicro.com It sure looked like the site is still up. Yet, I did find nowhere to download anything but some tutorials, and a number of videos. Well, and then the App Central. Why I still wonder exactly which website the assumed demo version would have been attempted downloaded from. If the user still knows the address where the download was attempted, either retry the download and see if the file comes out with a more trusty size, or try search the net for another download. Of course, someone might have a demo sitting around, Does the Office version even work any longer? Or is all that lane closed, after the cooperation discontinued? I did not have any demos here, only my purchased versions. David On 2/25/2020 12:53 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: > Actually the website is still online and it says 2020 AI Squared. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 3:46 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Cc: Loy Green > Subject: Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes > > That site has not been active for a couple of years since Freedom Scientific > purchased ZoomText and Window Eyes. > Window Eyes is no longer available unless you get it from a former > user.- Original Message - > From: "Armando Vias via Talk" > To: > Cc: "Armando Vias" > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 5:19 PM > Subject: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes > > >> Hey all. >> >> This is my first post. >> >> For some reason, I can’t install the Window Eyes Program. It says that it >> is 83 bytes. When I try to install it, my computer says that it is >> corrupted. I am using a 64-bit version of Windows 10. What should I do? >> >> Armando >> >> >> — >> Armando Vias >> Owner of The Blind Advocate Network >> Website: https://theblindadvocate.net >> Phone: (404) 4803436 >> Email: av...@theblindadvocate.net >> Like my page on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/theblindadvocatenetwork >> Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/theblndadvn >> “Getting advocacy results for the blind.” >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes
Most definitely, it will be corrupted. The WinEyes distribution used to take up most of a CDROM. Even this yesterday, I was tiding up my computer, and came across the installation download for the screen reader. It is actually more like 600MB, or just over half a Gigabyte. What I do wonder, is if the 83 bytes you downloaded, might be just the link to some place on the net, holding an old demo version of the file. If you tried to rename the download of yours, to something ending in .txt, maybe you could open it and see if such is the case. My next guess, and probably the most believable, is that the servers now have been loaded with fake links. That is, they may have deleted the actual files from the servers, and replaced it with some short goble. Seen that happen before. True, GW Micro, the originator of the screen reader, used to offer a 30minute demo version. In its basics, it used to be a fully functioning version of the screen reader, which would have needed a purchased key to unlock the time limitation. You could run it completely as normal, just had to restart the computer every 30 minutes. As a matter of fact, that is how I got in touch with WinEyes bak in the days. Now, you say you got your download from the "place where they offered it". I just wonder if you then mean, from the original WinEyes homepage, or was it from the WinEyes For Office website. WinEyes for Office was a cooperation between GW Micro, and Microsoft - and has been discontinued for the last couple of years. Likely, if you try downloading that version, you will find little help. To what extend there will be any demo left on the original homepage of the screen reader, I am not aware. After all, why would they, since the screen reader was discontinued back in 2017. Of course, you might search the net for something like: Window-Eyes download Demo and see if someone would happen to have something lingering on their server. Or, maybe some listers will happen to have some demo hanging around. But due to the fact you are running Win10, it will have to be one of the latest version, otherwise it will not work. Besides, just prior to discontinuing the whole product, they released an update that took care of some certification issue with newer flavors of the Operativ System. So really not sure an old demo will even run on computers now aday. And I do not know if they ever released any demo with the new certificate, since the product practically already was out of business. Did the WinEyes for Office come with the new certificate? Question for those of you who ran that version. Sorry I could not help you, but at least that is something to chew on. Hope others might have something hanging around on their hard drive, that could give you a try-go with the screen reader. Do you mind me asking, why would you like to test the screen reader? Id there anything in particular you are looking for? David On 2/25/2020 12:01 AM, Armando Vias via Talk wrote: > I got it from the website. It was the website that you usually get the window > eyes software. I would like to try it out. > > — > Armando Vias > Owner of The Blind Advocate Network > Website: https://theblindadvocate.net > Phone: (404) 4803436 > Email: av...@theblindadvocate.net > Like my page on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/theblindadvocatenetwork > Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/theblndadvn > “Getting advocacy results for the blind.” > >> On Feb 24, 2020, at 5:59 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk >> wrote: >> >> Whatever it is, it must be corrupted, because it would have to be more than >> 83 bytes. Where did you get it from, now that there is no more window eyes? >> Pam. >> >> -Original Message- From: Armando Vias via Talk >> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 5:19 PM >> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com >> Cc: Armando Vias >> Subject: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes >> >> Hey all. >> >> This is my first post. >> >> For some reason, I can’t install the Window Eyes Program. It says that it is >> 83 bytes. When I try to install it, my computer says that it is corrupted. I >> am using a 64-bit version of Windows 10. What should I do? >> >> Armando >> >> >> — >> Armando Vias >> Owner of The Blind Advocate Network >> Website: https://theblindadvocate.net >> Phone: (404) 4803436 >> Email: av...@theblindadvocate.net >> Like my page on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/theblindadvocatenetwork >> Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/theblndadvn >> “Getting advocacy results for the blind.” >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/pammygirl99%40gmail.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at
Re: Removal display of location
Not sure if I understood your query fully. But maybe this is what you are looking for? Go to the WE Control Panel, and scroll to Verbose. Expand with Right-Arrow, Scroll down to Miscellaneous, and then use your Tab-key. You will find some settings for index speaking. David On 2/7/2020 12:07 AM, gemini43--- via Talk wrote: > How do you eliminate the speaking of Item locations from desktop items and > other locations of items. > > > > I am running Win7 64bit and Window Eyes 9.4 > > > > Thanks for any help. > > > > Jim > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: New windows 10 comput running WE 9.541e
In the process of moving to Win10 myself, so have no hands-on expertise here. But in earlier versions, pressing the Win-key along with the E, you get to the "My Computer" window, and can scroll your file system by means of the Arrows and the Enter-key. Unless they have changed this, you might be helped out by that shortcut. David On 1/16/2020 2:43 AM, Jim Elsner via Talk wrote: > Members > I recently got a new computer running windows 10. I have installed > Window-eyes 9.541 on it and have it working. What I find when I go > to the start menu and try to type a program to run courtona pops up > wanting to search the web. Can I turn this feature off or where can I > search for such items? Also having problems getting to my computer to > access drives and U S B drives. > Would like to create a shortcut for this. > Please advise. > Jim Elsner > > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes
Interesting. I do have a version of Jaws here. Will keep it in mind, and next time the issue shows up under WinEyes, I will attempt to start Jaws, and see what that will do. If it - like you describe - continues under even that screen reader, then we at least have uprooted the blame on WinEyes itself. That, in turn, would lead me to wonder if this whole thing could be due to some kind of activity going on between Windows itself, and screen readers in general. Well, glad to know that I am not on my own on this issue. Kind of been considering if this could have been due to some malware. But even when my computer is newly scanned and cleaned, things like this could happen. It even seems it happens more frequently when in browse mode, but maybe that is just because I end up doing quite a portion of computing right there. Thanks for all feedback. David On 1/7/2020 3:24 PM, madl--- via Talk wrote: > Hello, > It seem to be many Jaws user having the same problem. It is possible that > is problem cause by Jaws. I am not sure how to make them aware of the > issue. Couple week ago I was able to demonstrate the problem to one of the > tech support but, he simply ignored that, blame it the keyboard. > Anyone has any Idea? > Thanks > > P.S. > I don't think we all have sticky keyboard issue. > Moe > > -Original Message- > From: Talk On Behalf > Of Amanda Lee via Talk > Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 1:26 PM > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Cc: Amanda Lee > Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes > > I've experienced this issue in JAWS as well and have had to kill WE or JAWS > from the task manager. Sometimes Outlook hangs too and seems to create this > issue. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > On Behalf > Of madl--- via Talk > Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 12:26 PM > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Cc: m...@comcast.net > Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes > > Hello, > I have a new keyboard which I purchased two weeks ago and I thought this > will solve my problem. In my case I don't think the keys are sticking > physically. I didn't have this problem until recent update from MS. For > now, when I have this issue, I go to taskbar then to desktop. That fixs > the problem for a while . > > Thanks > > Moe > > -Original Message- > From: Talk On Behalf > Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk > Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 10:10 AM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Cc: Pamela Dominguez > Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes > > That is different. "sticky keys", when it says that in windows, when you > press a key more than once fast, is made so that people can type with one > hand. So that if they need to hit, say, control something, they can hit the > control, and it will stay registered until you hit the key that goes along > with it in order to do a certain function. That doesn't have to do with > keys getting stuck. Mine, though, is an actual key that gets stuck, when I > least expect it. It's the righthand shift key that gets stuck. Pam. > > -Original Message- > From: madl--- via Talk > Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 9:44 AM > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Cc: m...@comcast.net > Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes > > Hello all, > I am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key. I > thought it is my keyboard. I got a new one. That didn't solve the issue. > It something with MS window. If you press shift key five times in the row, > you will hear something like sticky key but, I am not sure what I need to > do to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have ability to > type with both hands. Please let me know if anyone find a solution. > Thanks > > Moe > > -Original Message- > From: Talk On Behalf > Of Butch Bussen via Talk > Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 11:57 PM > To: David via Talk > Cc: Butch Bussen ; WE English Mailinglist > > Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes > > I have had theis problem once in a while for years. Something strange in > wineyes. Sometimes reloading a different set file will solve the problem. > Often as you said, just restarting wineyes solves the problem. >I've never found a way to make it happen, some times it just does. > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On > Mon, 6 Jan 2020, David via Talk wrote: > >> Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do >> not know the fix, neither the reason why things happen. >> >> It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck >> in its pressed position. The Shift, Alt and Ctrl keys are specially >&
Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes
That's right. And just to clarify any misunderstandings. In my initial message I was not sure exactly what term to use for the behavior I described. Probably I chose a less clear term, since it was misinterpretted to mean the feature of Windows, named sticky keys. That one, is a "wanted" feature, something you deliberately will have the chance of turning on. And something that you will activate by either holding down the right shift for a few seconds, or pressing it repeatedly three times within a limited period of time. What I was describing, is when things get stuck without you wanting, initiating or intending it to. Another thing is that the Sticky Key function in Windows, will only work for one keystroke at a time. When you turn it on, you will have to press say the shift-key, then a character, to have that one capitalized. Next time you want a capitalized character, you first have to touch the shift-key. You have to repeat that procedure for every keystroke you want with any modifying key. Again, the issue I was talking about, is when you do press no key-modifier, and still they stick or hang. Meaning that every key you press, will be interpretted as if you had pressed it along with a key-modifier. May it happen, that a better term for that is Hanging Keys. Sorry for whatever misunderstanding I caused. David On 1/7/2020 3:39 PM, Loy Green via Talk wrote: > to turn off sticky keys type sticky keys in the search box and in > settings you can unchecked use shortcut key to use sticky keys. > - Original Message - From: "madl--- via Talk" > > To: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:24 AM > Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes > > >> Hello, >> It seem to be many Jaws user having the same problem. It is possible >> that >> is problem cause by Jaws. I am not sure how to make them aware of the >> issue. Couple week ago I was able to demonstrate the problem to one >> of the >> tech support but, he simply ignored that, blame it the keyboard. >> Anyone has any Idea? >> Thanks >> >> P.S. >> I don't think we all have sticky keyboard issue. >> Moe >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk On >> Behalf >> Of Amanda Lee via Talk >> Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 1:26 PM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Cc: Amanda Lee >> Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes >> >> I've experienced this issue in JAWS as well and have had to kill WE >> or JAWS >> from the task manager. Sometimes Outlook hangs too and seems to >> create this >> issue. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> On >> Behalf >> Of madl--- via Talk >> Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 12:26 PM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Cc: m...@comcast.net >> Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes >> >> Hello, >> I have a new keyboard which I purchased two weeks ago and I >> thought this >> will solve my problem. In my case I don't think the keys are sticking >> physically. I didn't have this problem until recent update from MS. >> For >> now, when I have this issue, I go to taskbar then to desktop. That >> fixs >> the problem for a while . >> >> Thanks >> >> Moe >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk On >> Behalf >> Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk >> Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 10:10 AM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Cc: Pamela Dominguez >> Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes >> >> That is different. "sticky keys", when it says that in windows, when >> you >> press a key more than once fast, is made so that people can type with >> one >> hand. So that if they need to hit, say, control something, they can >> hit the >> control, and it will stay registered until you hit the key that goes >> along >> with it in order to do a certain function. That doesn't have to do with >> keys getting stuck. Mine, though, is an actual key that gets stuck, >> when I >> least expect it. It's the righthand shift key that gets stuck. Pam. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: madl--- via Talk >> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 9:44 AM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Cc: m...@comcast.net >> Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes >> >> Hello all, >> I am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key. I >> thought it is my keyboard. I got a new one. That didn't solve the >> issue. >> It something
Roll-up Keyboards
Roll-Up, or Folding Keyboards... It's been a few years, since I owned one. So please take the following for whatever it is worth. Also, be notified, that the opinions presented here, are mine and might not be fully representative for everyone. Still, I will spend a few of your minutes, walking you through a few considerations in the matter of this kind of keyboards. Design: and Construction First of all, let's get it all straight: The keyboard is made up of silicone, a versatile and flexible material. The construction is completely sealed, meaning that the keyboards are dust and spil proof. Should it ever get dirty, you literally can wash the whole thing under the faucet in your kitchen. Upon wash, simply hang it over a rod or something similar, and let it dry for a short while. It even is claimed to be alcohol proof, though I have not tested that feature. Have you ever seen the baking mats in silicone? Ever touched one of the thicker ones? These keyboards are based on a mat - not that much thicker than a silicone baking mat. let's estimate the thickness of the base of the keyboard, something like 1 1/2 bank card. Now imagine, that you place some keys on top of this silicone base, and you are pretty close to the final outlook of the product. each key, would be approximately the size of a four-knobbed lego brick; both in square, and in hight. And, take the knobs off the lego brick, you will get just about the shape of each key as well. They are straight cut square. Place these keys on your silicone mat, spaced about tenth of an inch apart. Remember, all the bricks are cast in silicone. Inside each (brick) key, is a tiny mechanical switch. To the touch, the whole keyboard unit, is a bit sticky; like all silicone products. Your fingers sure won't slip, as you type. Some might find the whole texture a bit uncomfortable, and it sure does take a little to get used to. In one end, you will find the unit has what appears like a rectangular box - something like 1.5 or 2 inches in width , running down the whole side of the keyboard. Inside this "box", is where all the electronics of the unit is located. In the rear end of the "box", you will find the USB cable, which is used for connecting to the computer. It is a fixed cable, and once broken, the whole unit is merely for the trash bin. Reason why they are called Roll-Up, or Folding keyboards, is because you litterally can roll them up, starting from one end. All rolled, the keyboard would be the size of two pocketbooks, stacked on top of each other. Being manufactured from cast silicone, the unit does not weigh much more than a modern cellphone. All-in-all a quite portable version of a keyboard. For your records, the keyboards comes in several sizes and versions. You would find units holding like 85-keys, comparing to the one you typically would see on your laptop. And you will find units, holding 102, or 105 keys, comparing to the standard keyboard you are familiar with on a desktop computer. Well, and then you can get separate numeric keypads, also in this roll-up flavor. Size is not much different from what you are used to, except from the extra space needed for the electronics "box" mentioned earlier. Typing Comfort The whole keyboard is a bit flimpsy. Being manufactured for roll-up, there is no built-in stiffening support in the unit. Putting it on your lap, attempting to type something, simply will not work. Pressing a key, the unit just will bend. This all mean, that you want to have a firm surface - like a desk - for placing your keyboard onto, whenever you want to operate your computer. If you planned for using the roll-up keyboard on the bus, train or airplane, you at least will need to have some kind of table of a certain firmness, for your operation. The keypressing, is rather firm. It really takes some effort to perform. Not too much to be wondered, when you give it a bit of a thought. Look at your standard keyboard. Each key is a separate unit, travelling freely up and down; totally independently from the others. On the roll-up models, each silicone key (brick), is molded as part of the whole unit. The keys do not travel. You press on the key, almost like you would press the bubbles on bubble plastics, that you know from shipping materials. Pressing on the key, you therefore will have to force the silicone of the brick to bend, enough to activate the tiny switch inside. Typing for prolonged time on this kind of units, might be a challenge. If you are used to old manual typewriters, you will remember how hard you had to knock the keys. Have you never used anything but modern soft-operated keyboards, you will likely find the roll-up models rather heavily worked. I doubt anyone could keep up their typing speed, on the roll-ups. The switch is situated in the center of each key. Still, it is possible for you to hit the side of the key. Doing so, though, will not activate the switch,
Key Sticking in WinEyes
Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do not know the fix, neither the reason why things happen. It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck in its pressed position. The Shift, Alt and Ctrl keys are specially vulnerable to this kind of behavior. This of course, do cause a load of strange things to happen. You type an F, and up comes the File-menu of the software; since the computer registers the keystroke as an Alt-F. It is all due to dirt and grease, getting into your keyboard over time. Even small objects - like tiny screws or the like, that might have fallen down on your keyboard at any time, might have got underneath your key-caps and eventually causes funny things like this. The remedy for all of this behavior, is to press your Alt,Ctrl and Shift keys several times. Usually that will release whatever has got stuck. But once in a while, I have had things getting stuck, and no solution.The big remedy then, has been to restart the computer. Apparently, this has been due to some issue more of the software-based kind. It just has been to determine what software could cause the situation. Like I stated initially, I do not have the final answer. Yet, for several weeks, I suspected WinEyes to play a role. When the sticky thing comes around, I will typically experience the Ctrl key being stuck. Everything I try to do, is performed as if I had kept my Ctrl-key pressed. Funny thing is, if I open NVDA, the issue is gone. This morning, when the issue again took place, I decided to do a bit of testing. First I thought it could be due to an app in my screen reader's collection. So when the issue started, I tried to get to the WinEyes ControlPanel. Physically pressing Ctrl-Backslash, had absolutely no effect, which quite often happens. Alt-Tabbing to the panel, is out of question, since I have WinEyes set to automatically hide from the Alt-Tab list. So the only way now, was to go to the Taskbar, and press Enter on WinEyes. Sure enough, the panel came up, and I went to the App-menu, and turned off all apps. Then back to my internet working, attempting to perform some browse mode commands. Pressing C, to get to the next Combo box, had no effect. Pressing T, for next Table, only opened a new tab in my browser. And pressing other navigation letters, caused whatever funny and somehow interesting things to take place. was almost like a new computer game. hahaha. Allright, as I told you, things like this happens every now and then. And normally, opening NVDA will fix the issue. Though now, I decided not to walk the normal lane. On the contrary, I alt-Tabbed back to the WinEyes panel, and hit Alt-F4. The screen reader closed itself down, all well. I then restarted WinEyes, using a hotkey combination of my choice, which does not include any of the standard modifier-keys. This way, i am sure no Ctrl, Alt or Shift key was pressed, during the close down or restarting process of the screen reader. Do I have to tell you what was the result? Sure thing. WinEyes opened, and the sticky Ctrl key has gone for vacation. No touching of the Ctrl neither on the left or right side of the keyboard. Neither on my laptop's built-in keyboard, or on the attached USB one, did I touch any Ctrl-key. All I did, was to restart WinEyes. Since turning off all apps did not solve the problem, and due to the fact that restarting the screen reader did take care of the trouble - I am left to draw the conclusion that something strange sits in the core code of WinEyes. Could it be some coding that - under given situations - will poke its nose out, and conflict with some activity of other software? Might it happen, that some residues from other software might have caused this to come up? Or, could it be in one of the apps, and who knows why WinEyes is unable to wipe it out, even when all apps are being turned off? Since restarting the screen reader is all it takes, it seems something just needs to be nullified. Something that the screen reader does, through its initialization. Or, something that it manages to close down, whenever the screen reader is being unloaded altogether. Restarting the screen reader is not all that much of a go, if that is all it takes to solve a frustration. Still, i did wonder, if any of you have had the same experience, or something similar. OK, still under Win7 for a moment, so not sure if this is something that might have been cared for in later flavors. The issue has been going on for years, but seems to me, to take place more frequent lately. Just for the record, I do not exactly blame this on WinEyes. I just wonder if something in the screen reader, along with whatever other activity is ongoing on my computer, could get in conflict and cause this issue. One of the big challenges for software developers, that one. Your coding is perfectly well done, but other pieces of software do not tie in smoothly, and
Re: email
tely, certain features of the app do not >> appear to be working any more, such as the "Goto Folder" facility >> and the "Move File to Folder" facility. Never mind. I can live with >> that. >> >> Thanks again. >> >> -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk >> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 10:16 AM >> To: Rod Hutton via Talk >> Cc: Tom Kingston >> Subject: Re: email >> >> Hi Peter, >> Unfortunately Rod's suggestion to disable your braille display won't >> work. The function containing the conditional block that's throwing the >> error is run regardless because it's where it checks to see if you're >> using a braille display. >> Fortunately all the conditional block is doing is seeing if you have a >> newer version of the GW toolkit, which you do. The change was made >> several versions back. >> I believe the problem is due to a Windows security update that made type >> checking in VBScript more strict. >> So I removed every instance of that conditional block along with the >> alternative code for the old version of the toolkit. I've built a new >> installer package: windowslivemail.wepm. >> * First, close Windows Live Mail and uninstall the Windows Live Mail >> app! >> Then activate the link below to download my new installer from my >> Dropbox. It should open a "Save as" dialog in your browser. >> After downloading the file, focus it in explorer. >> Press the Applications key to open the context menu. >> Press R for properties. >> Tab down to Unblock and press space to uncheck it. >> Tab to the Apply button and press space. >> Tab to the OK button and press space. >> Now just press Enter on the wepm file to install it. >> During the installation you should be prompted to accept the license >> agreement. I did this to let you and anyone else who uses it know that >> it's the new installer. I also changed the version from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3. >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/32q204ix9ixmv2r/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1 >> >> Let me know if you get any new errors. Now that I say this I should have >> changed the app so it would send error reports to me. Oh well. Too late >> now, which is to say, I'm lazy. Hahaahaaha! >> Hth, >> Tom >> >> >> On 11/13/2019 5:30 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: >>> Hi Peter, >>> >>> In the version of the Windows Live Mail app I have, which is 1.3.2, >>> line 700 is working with braille. >>> Are you using a braille display? >>> If so, you can try disabling your braille display within Window-Eyes >>> just for a bit in order to test if this could be causing the problem. >>> >>> Hth, >>> >>> Rod >>> >>> Sent from Outlook for Windows >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk >>> On >>> Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk >>> Sent: November 12, 2019 11:23 PM >>> To: peter Chin via Talk >>> Cc: peter Chin >>> Subject: Re: email >>> >>> Hello David, >>> >>> I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were >>> asking for: >>> -- >>> Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script runtime error >>> Line 700 column 2 >>> Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)' >>> < >>> 0x800a000d >>>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: David via Talk >>> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM >>> To: peter Chin via Talk >>> Cc: David >>> Subject: Re: email >>> >>> What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what >>> does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That >>> is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error. >>> Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild >>> guessing. >>> >>> >>> Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want >>> to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the >>> app, >>> if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling >>> the >>> app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not >>> have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out. >>> >>> >>> Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it >>> might >>> be due
Re: email
, by your Anti-malware, your Operativ System, and any other extra software that you have installed, and that thinks it has any business in poking its snoute into other routines afairs. Just tell me, will you, where how and when in this line of processes, could anything possibly go wrong. And that is just for you to type one simple character on your keyboard, and have it show up on the screen, as well as spoken out to you. If you still don't know what to spend your day on, let me provide you the info that the list above, has been "very much simplified", to not make things too technical. Smiles. No wonder our computers run hot, and no wonder we see them kneele every now and then. Mind you, your cellphone or tablet is nothing less busy. Like I said in the beginning, to what extent any of this has an impact on your very case, I do have no clue at all. And since Tom kindly took the time to modify the app, you might be well served. This story of mine, was more of a "just for your education" kind. And since it likely might have caused the head of any reder to overflow already, I will end here. Enjoy your computing. David On 11/17/2019 6:22 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote: > Hello All, > > Thanks so much for trying to help. Tom, I have downloaded your > "windowslivemail.wepm" and will be following your instructions > carefully in a few days. I will then report what happened. In the > meantime, I am waiting for my computer technician to come with a new > battery to keep my computer clock working properly. > > Thanks again, I really do appreciate your help. > > -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 10:16 AM > To: Rod Hutton via Talk > Cc: Tom Kingston > Subject: Re: email > > Hi Peter, > Unfortunately Rod's suggestion to disable your braille display won't > work. The function containing the conditional block that's throwing the > error is run regardless because it's where it checks to see if you're > using a braille display. > Fortunately all the conditional block is doing is seeing if you have a > newer version of the GW toolkit, which you do. The change was made > several versions back. > I believe the problem is due to a Windows security update that made type > checking in VBScript more strict. > So I removed every instance of that conditional block along with the > alternative code for the old version of the toolkit. I've built a new > installer package: windowslivemail.wepm. > * First, close Windows Live Mail and uninstall the Windows Live Mail app! > Then activate the link below to download my new installer from my > Dropbox. It should open a "Save as" dialog in your browser. > After downloading the file, focus it in explorer. > Press the Applications key to open the context menu. > Press R for properties. > Tab down to Unblock and press space to uncheck it. > Tab to the Apply button and press space. > Tab to the OK button and press space. > Now just press Enter on the wepm file to install it. > During the installation you should be prompted to accept the license > agreement. I did this to let you and anyone else who uses it know that > it's the new installer. I also changed the version from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3. > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/32q204ix9ixmv2r/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1 > > Let me know if you get any new errors. Now that I say this I should have > changed the app so it would send error reports to me. Oh well. Too late > now, which is to say, I'm lazy. Hahaahaaha! > Hth, > Tom > > > On 11/13/2019 5:30 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: >> Hi Peter, >> >> In the version of the Windows Live Mail app I have, which is 1.3.2, >> line 700 is working with braille. >> Are you using a braille display? >> If so, you can try disabling your braille display within Window-Eyes >> just for a bit in order to test if this could be causing the problem. >> >> Hth, >> >> Rod >> >> Sent from Outlook for Windows >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> On Behalf >> Of peter Chin via Talk >> Sent: November 12, 2019 11:23 PM >> To: peter Chin via Talk >> Cc: peter Chin >> Subject: Re: email >> >> Hello David, >> >> I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were >> asking for: >> -- >> Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script runtime error >> Line 700 column 2 >> Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)' >> < >> 0x800a000d >>> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: David via Talk >> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM >> To: peter Chin via Talk >&g
Re: email
Hey there, Sure, that is the error message that will point us exactly to the line of the app code, that obviously is generating the error. Exactly what is going on here, I have no clue, since it will take a bit of time to investigate the surrounding code of that line, to see why it causes an error. Yet, without knowing this much, it would hardly be possible for anyone to guess why the error occured, hence I and others called for this info. Now that we know what line causes the trouble, we might do one of two. Either we could investigate what is actually going on, why it happens, what to do about it; and then fix the code. Such investigation will need someone who actually uses the app, along with the Mail Client software it is working with. I am not in that category, sorry to let you know. Alternatively, we could do what another lister suggested, simply modify the app, so as to make it skip any error caused on this line of code. That is a rather quick fix, couple of extra lines of coding might suffice. Yet, it does hold a tiny risk, in that it does not solve the problem, more just works around it. If now, the actual problem sits in more of the main core of the app, it might end up popping its snoute out, a totally other place. If you are willing to run that tiny risk, likely we can have you helped out in not too long. I am currently not able to put time into this, but just wanted to let you know why we called for the info given in the error message, and what possible can be done about it. Luckily, it seems to me, you got trouble with one of the apps that were not encrypted, hence we have the actual code handy, and can get to the point of modifying it. I really hope someone have the resources to give you a hand here. David On 11/13/2019 5:23 AM, peter Chin wrote: > Hello David, > > I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were > asking for: > -- > Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script runtime error > Line 700 column 2 > Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)' > < > 0x800a000d >> > > > -Original Message- From: David via Talk > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM > To: peter Chin via Talk > Cc: David > Subject: Re: email > > What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what > does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That > is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error. > Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild > guessing. > > > Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want > to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app, > if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the > app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not > have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out. > > > Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might > be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you > have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See > if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block > files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case, > reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that > is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your > anti-ware might be a good idea. > > > Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give > you any further assistance here. Next time the error pops on you, would > you mind try copy it and let the list know what it says? > > > > David > > On 11/11/2019 3:18 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again. >> -- >> Hello all, >> >> I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I >> had >> >> no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I >> get a >> >> script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four >> choices: >> >> ignore error, stop App, edit App or restart App. I have to choose the >> last >> >> option if I want to continue using WLM. However, WLM doesn't function >> >> properly unless I either reload WE or get out of WLM and then go back >> in. >> >> >> I hope someone can suggest a remedy for this problem. For those who >> >> understand script writing (which I don't), I include a copy of the >> script >> >> which is supposed to be re-edited. >> >>
Re: email
What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild guessing.
Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.
Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
anti-ware might be a good idea.
Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give
you any further assistance here. Next time the error pops on you, would
you mind try copy it and let the list know what it says?
David
On 11/11/2019 3:18 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
> --
> Hello all,
>
> I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I
> had
>
> no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I
> get a
>
> script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four
> choices:
>
> ignore error, stop App, edit App or restart App. I have to choose the
> last
>
> option if I want to continue using WLM. However, WLM doesn't function
>
> properly unless I either reload WE or get out of WLM and then go back in.
>
>
> I hope someone can suggest a remedy for this problem. For those who
>
> understand script writing (which I don't), I include a copy of the script
>
> which is supposed to be re-edited.
>
>
>
> ' For license information, see WindowsLiveMail License.txt which ships
> with
>
> this package.
>
> Option Explicit
>
>
> Dim myXMLFile : myXMLFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &
>
> "\WindowsLiveMail.xml"
>
> Dim myINIFile : myINIFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &
>
> "\WindowsLiveMail.ini"
>
> Dim myStrings : Set myStrings = Strings(myXMLFile)
>
> Dim myScriptUpdateURL : myScriptUpdateURL =
>
> "
> http://www.gwmicro.com/scripts/windows_live_mail/xml
> "
>
> Dim checkedForUpdates : checkedForUpdates = False
>
> Dim errorReportingEnabled : errorReportingEnabled = False
>
> Dim SO_StandardHelpDialog : Set SO_StandardHelpDialog = Nothing
>
> Dim SO_CheckForUpdate : Set SO_CheckForUpdate = Nothing
>
> Dim SO_ErrorReporting : Set SO_ErrorReporting = Nothing
>
> Dim fsObj : Set fsObj = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>
>
> Dim messageWindow : Set messageWindow = Nothing
>
> Dim setFileActiveEvent : setFileActiveEvent = 0
>
> Dim lastSpoken : lastSpoken = ""
>
> Dim blockedFocusEvent : Set blockedFocusEvent = Nothing
>
> Dim msaaFocusEvent : msaaFocusEvent = 0
>
> Dim myMSAAEventSource : Set myMSAAEventSource = Nothing
>
> Dim contactHwnd : contactHwnd = 0
>
> Dim fieldDataEvent : fieldDataEvent = 0
>
>
> Dim myMoveMessageHotkey : Set myMoveMessageHotkey = Nothing
>
> Dim myKeyDownEvent : myKeyDownEvent = 0
>
> Dim keyProcessedDownEventForBraille : keyProcessedDownEventForBraille = 0
>
> Dim myBrailleObj : Set myBrailleObj = Nothing
>
> Dim firstLetterNavStr : firstLetterNavStr = ""
>
> Dim keyPressTimer : keyPressTimer = 0
>
>
> Const TIMER_AUTOCOMPLETE = 1000
>
> Const GRAPHIC_PREFIX = "GRAPHIC_"
>
>
> Class MessageWindowClass
>
> Private toField
>
> Private autoCompleteSelected
>
> Private myMSAAEventSource
>
> Private autoCompleteEntries
>
> Private myHotkeys
>
> Private messageWindow
>
> Private msaaEvents
>
> Private timers
>
> Private startTimerProxy
>
> Private hotkeyProxy
>
> Private msaaEventProxy
>
>
> Public Sub Class_Initialize()
>
>
> ' Begin
>
> Set toField = Nothing
>
> Set autoCompleteSelected = Nothing
>
> Set myMSAAEventSource = MSAAEventSource
>
> Set autoCompleteEntries = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")
>
> Set myHotkeys = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")
>
> Set msaaEvents = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")
>
> Set timers = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")
>
> Set startTimerProxy = (New SingleParameterProxyClass).Init(Me,
>
> "TimerProc")
>
> Set hotkeyProxy = (New DualParameterProxyClass).Init(Me,
>
> "HotkeyProc")
>
> Set msaaEventProxy = (New
Braille Users, a bit off-topic
I know this is a bit off-topic, yet been wondering and wanted to hear people's opinion on the matter. it seems this somehow have been discussed before, still, what do you think. As any Braille user will know, we are supposed to use 8 fingers for reading fast and effeciently. That is, the fingers on both hands, except our thumbs. True enough, thumbs ar on the page, but I am not aware if anyone would claim that they really read with their thumbs. When discussing Braille reading back in time, my impression is that though we use 8 fingers on the page, seemingly particularly ONE finger stands out to be the number-one for reading. That finger is the one the user will prefer, should he ever need to read something with only one finger. And you often do want to do one-finger-reading. Whenever you are to find a volume in your bookshelf, or you are to read the Braille tag telling the color of your cloghing, or any other narrow and tight places. Try searching for the page number in a book, using 8 fingers. Smile. My big wondering here, could be three-fold - at least. First of all, is this the case, that you have one "main finger" for reading Braille? Secondly, if so, say you are a right-handed person, is your prefered finger then on your left or right hand; and consequently same question for left-handed people. Number three, which finger is your prefered one? Will it be your Index-finger, Middle-finger or does your preference sit with any of the others? Even, we could be tempted to ask if people find the same finger being their main "seeing" finger, whenever you are to explore your way on any surface, or perform daily tasks around the house, office or workshop. Those who happen to be users of the no-longer manufactured reading equipment named Optacon, would be using mainly one finger, due to the very shape of the Optacon itself. And though it might be nice to know alternative on that equipment, my question widens out for Braille users in general, due to that being a more representative group. For one, I find that I have one finger, that is of special good service. Whether it comes to Braille, or simply just "seeing" what I am doing when working, that one finger is my top preference. Should I - for any reasons - find that the finger is out of business for a day or two, braille reading as well as many daily living tasks, become somehow more challenging. And I could think of people suffering from Diabetes - who have to punch their finger tips seveeral times a day - probably they prefer to leave their prefered-finger untouched by any puncher. Not to disturb you all in making up your own mind, for now I will leave it untold which finger I personal find most useful. If anyone feels like sharing their experience, or know of any study that has been dealing with the matter, it would be nice to hear your feedback. Otherwise, maybe this message might just have made you aware of something of lesser interest, yet quite puzzling. Sorry, to those who find it too much off-topic. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Thunderbird
Am aware of the issues when comes to composing emails. Why I - near the end of my initial message stated that it will need some further investigation. Wonder if there might be some kind of an extension, or rather perhaps a Theme, for Thunderbird that will bring us closer to a solution. Themes, control things like color schemes, font sizes and so on. To what extent that is where the bird has its nest, I am not sure, but it might be worth playing a bit around. For those who want a toy store to explore, Thunderbird has their own central for releasing all these kinds of extra gadgets for the software. Something I for one, was not aware of up till very recently. The web address is: .thunderbird.net Here you will find extensions, plug-ins, and themes. You will find different cattegories, depending of what set of main features you are looking for. Unfortunately, it seems to me, not all of he stuff offered up there, is compatible with newer versions of Thunderbird. Meaning that you might end up finding a promising AddOn, download and install it, only to find that it won't start when you fire up Thunderbird. Uninstall, and better luck with your next attempt in searching through the hundreds of alternatives offered to you on their webpage. Again, it might be there would be found some nifty little thing within the settings of Thunderbird. Never really fooled with it, but if Thunderbird is made up on the same basis as its sister program Firefox, you've got a whole story in scrolling throuh, and messing around with, an untold number of settings, which you might not always have a clue what consequences will be. For the sake of ease, I tried doing some searching on the net, hoping that there would be some known tweak to make Thunderbird more accessible for screen readers. Well, your choice of search engine might be more informative than mine. All I found so far, only lists Thunderbird as one of the most accessible Email clients for screen reader users. Amongst the top-ten. Sure, I guess we all knew that much, yet what we here are looking for, would be how to make it really accessible; not just 90 percent, kind of. Try a similar search for Firefox, and see how far you get. Sum it all up, unless someone has stumbled on a solution, I don't know other than we are seeing WinEyes slowly loosing Terrain in the computing landscape of the blind. All knew it would happen, but meanwhile, the best solution for your composing issues that I could come up with, is to write and edit your messages in something like Notepad, and then copy-paste the final result into the composition screen of Thunderbird, before you hit the Send-button. At least, that's what has worked for me, so far. not a real solution, but you get the job done. David On 11/10/2019 11:36 PM, Nick Sarames wrote: > I wish your advice could be beneficial to me, but my issue is more basic > and probably won't be solved until I finally upgrade to Windows-10. I > like Thunderbird a lot. I don't receive a lot of e-mails, so it's easy > for me to scroll down and find e-mails without keyboard shortcuts. My > only issue is the same one I've had for months - when I'm composing an > e-mail, I can only read what I wrote upon pressing the backspace key. > Surely you can see how that could be an inconvenience (smile). But maybe > I'll try your solution, maybe, somehow, it will solve other problems. > > On 11/10/2019 3:18 PM, David via Talk wrote: >> Been playing a bit around, and thought to just share one tiny experience >> with you all. >> >> >> A good while ago, Thunderbird had an update, which included some >> Calendar functionality. If you were in the list of mails, and started to >> tab your way on the screen, you ended up with a load of "empty spots". >> That is, you press the tab-key, and WinEyes reports silence. Going to >> the View-menu, by Alt-V, you could see an entry named Calendar, usually >> reported to be grayed out, so you could not really do much about it. >> Further, you had an entry named "today", and even when you enter this >> submenu, and make sure it is turned off, it still seems to be in your >> way somehow, on the main screen. >> >> >> A day or two ago, I decided to explore the features of plugins and >> extensions for Thunderbird; which in effect, is much what Apps have been >> for WinEyes. They can extend, or expand the functionality of the >> program. Or, they could get very much in our way. Smile. >> >> >> I realized, that Thunderbird - by its own mind - have decided to install >> such a thing on my computer. Likely, this is something that >> automatically comes bundled with newer versions of the software, and >> thereby gets installed without the user's agreeing through the upgrade >> pro
Thunderbird
Been playing a bit around, and thought to just share one tiny experience with you all. A good while ago, Thunderbird had an update, which included some Calendar functionality. If you were in the list of mails, and started to tab your way on the screen, you ended up with a load of "empty spots". That is, you press the tab-key, and WinEyes reports silence. Going to the View-menu, by Alt-V, you could see an entry named Calendar, usually reported to be grayed out, so you could not really do much about it. Further, you had an entry named "today", and even when you enter this submenu, and make sure it is turned off, it still seems to be in your way somehow, on the main screen. A day or two ago, I decided to explore the features of plugins and extensions for Thunderbird; which in effect, is much what Apps have been for WinEyes. They can extend, or expand the functionality of the program. Or, they could get very much in our way. Smile. I realized, that Thunderbird - by its own mind - have decided to install such a thing on my computer. Likely, this is something that automatically comes bundled with newer versions of the software, and thereby gets installed without the user's agreeing through the upgrade process. Happily, this kind of extra blah-blah can be removed, and I will in short terms show you how. 1. In the main screen of Thunderbird, hit Alt-T, to get to the Tools menu. 2. Arrow down a couple of times, till you get to the AddOn manager, and hit Enter. 3. You end up in a screen, holding a couple of links. Tab once or twice, to land on one of them. Turn off Browse Mode, with Ctrl-Shift-A. 4. The screen has several tabs. To move around between them, maybe the best way is to tab your way around the screen, til you land on the tab-header line, where you can use your arrows, to choose the desired one. 5. What you are looking for now, is the extension section of the screen. Once you have focused that one, press the tab key till you land on the list of installed extensions. 6. You are specially interested in an extension named "Lightening". Arrow your way down the list, till you have focused that one. 7. You've got two choices here. Either tab till you land on REMOVE, or hit the App-key (Shift-F10), and arrow till you get to REMOVE; then hit Enter. 8. You will hear the screen reader telling you that the AddOn will be removed upon restart. So, Hit Ctrl-F4, to make sure to close the AddOn Manager. 9. Close Thunderbird altogether, by hitting Alt-F4, and then upon waiting for a scond or two, restart your Email program. When restarted, you will find that Thunderbird's main screen, will behave a little more like in the "old days". Going to the View menu, both the "Today" and "Calendar" entries, will have disappeared altogether. And if you use your Tab-key in the main screen, you will no longer meet any silent spots. At least one issue has been removed from your planet. Smile. Now, if we only could have founde a way of setting up Thunderbird in such a way that it will let us edit our outgoing messages, and specially so our replying to a message, we could actually have seen Thunderbird again becoming a fully accessible piece of software; even for WinEyes users. Not sure if such a tweak is possible, but my guess is that a theme, or some adjustment in the very settings of the software will be a couple of places to look. If anyone have ideas, please share. Hope this might help some of you. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Checkboxes on the Desktop
Great. Thanks. No wonder I did not figure it, since I thought I had to adjust something in the screen reader itself. Smiles. Funny how much easier things get, when done the right way. Smile again, and another big thankyou. David On 11/2/2019 6:36 PM, bentleyj1952--- via Talk wrote: > Hi, > > Type folder options in the Windows search box and hit enter. > > Tab or arrow around until you find the viewtab. > > Under advanced views there is a list of around 21 items. Find something > like, use check boxes to select and turn that off. Then find and hit the > apply and then the OK button. > > That should get rid of those nasty check boxes. > > James B > > -Original Message- > From: Talk On > Behalf Of David via Talk > Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2019 12:04 PM > To: WE English Mailinglist > Cc: David > Subject: Checkboxes on the Desktop > > Please, if anyone could refresh my memory. I know I had this one solved, > on my old PC, but can't seem to figure how. > > > When on the desktop, and likewise in the "programs and features" list, I > keep hearing: > > "Checkbox", > > in front of every item, when arrowing up and down. I know I am focusing > on the item, that is why it is spoken. But I do not need to know there > is a Checkbox right there, and that it is checked. It only serves to > have my ears drop. Smile. > > > Now, if any of you would remember where in the WE controlpanel to turn > off that checkbox babbling, I would be very much thankful for your > sharing such knowledge. > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bentleyj1952%40att.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Checkboxes on the Desktop
Please, if anyone could refresh my memory. I know I had this one solved, on my old PC, but can't seem to figure how. When on the desktop, and likewise in the "programs and features" list, I keep hearing: "Checkbox", in front of every item, when arrowing up and down. I know I am focusing on the item, that is why it is spoken. But I do not need to know there is a Checkbox right there, and that it is checked. It only serves to have my ears drop. Smile. Now, if any of you would remember where in the WE controlpanel to turn off that checkbox babbling, I would be very much thankful for your sharing such knowledge. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Set file question
Thanks, Soon as I knew to look in the .we files, I found it in no time. Was in the Explorer.we, this time. Problem solved. Funny how easy, once you know what to look for, and where. Smiles. you David On 10/26/2019 6:41 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: > Hi David, > > The solution is to look for a file in you’re profiles folder and rename or > delete it. > You access your profiles folder by opening the WE control panel using > Ctrl-backslash. > Then, press alt-f for File, and press E for Explore profiles folder. > This opens a normal folder containing all the settings files for your current > installation of WE. > If I want to unassociate a set file from one of my programs, I would look for > a file starting with the name of the program, followed by the extension .WE. > For example, I made a set file called LOOPREC.SET, and so there is a file > called LOOPREC.WE in my profiles folder. > If I don't want Window-Eyes to load LOOPREC.SET anymore when I open my > LOOPREC program, I would rename LOOPREC.WE to something like LOOPREC.WE.txt. > When you rename it, Window-Eyes simply loads default.set instead. > In your case, there must be some window association occurring on your system, > such that Window-Eyes is looking for the set file. > By renaming the .WE file as I have suggested, Window-Eyes will simply load > default.set instead, which always exists. > > I hope this helps, > > Rod/. > > Sent from Outlook for Windows > > -Original Message- > From: Talk On > Behalf Of David via Talk > Sent: October 26, 2019 11:20 AM > To: WE English Mailinglist > Cc: David > Subject: Set file question > > Listers, > > A bit techie this one. > > > I had a software installed on my computer, and had a set file for that > specific piece of software. That is, the set file was named something like > MySoftware.set. > > > A while ago, I deleted that set file, for different reasons. Now, my screen > reader keeps reminding me, that: > > The following file is missing: MySoftware.set. > > Good enough, of course it is missing, and no longer valid, since I have > removed it from my computer, and likewise the software it was linked with. > > > My big question here is, if any of you would happen to know, in which > set, ini or WE file (or whatever other file) on my computer this linking > is stored. I mean, somewhere the screen reader apparently stores the > link between which program should load which set file. And if I knew > what file to edit, perhaps I could get rid of that silly reminder. Just > not sure, which file holds the list of what set file is linked with what > software. So if you could help me out, I would be greatly thankful. > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40hotmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Set file question
Listers, A bit techie this one. I had a software installed on my computer, and had a set file for that specific piece of software. That is, the set file was named something like MySoftware.set. A while ago, I deleted that set file, for different reasons. Now, my screen reader keeps reminding me, that: The following file is missing: MySoftware.set. Good enough, of course it is missing, and no longer valid, since I have removed it from my computer, and likewise the software it was linked with. My big question here is, if any of you would happen to know, in which set, ini or WE file (or whatever other file) on my computer this linking is stored. I mean, somewhere the screen reader apparently stores the link between which program should load which set file. And if I knew what file to edit, perhaps I could get rid of that silly reminder. Just not sure, which file holds the list of what set file is linked with what software. So if you could help me out, I would be greatly thankful. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: changes in drop box
Yes, checking the box will turn it off for that one drive, or memory card. Try inserting a new one, and the Camera Upload thing comes on again. And how does it remember that it is turned off? By throwing a .Dropbox file on each drive or USB stick or Memory card in your collection. Deleting that file from your drive, then insert it into your computer anew, and the Camera Upload is on again. Even if Dropbox is not running at the moment, some resistant thing makes Dropbox start, when a pen or card is inserted. Only safe way to go, is to turn off Internet access, insert the card or pen drive, and then turn back on Internet again. Easy enough, on a laptop with a Wireless On/Off button, but a bit more tricky when working on a computer with a cable on the backside. That is, unless you have an external On/Off box for your connection. Anyway, the Camera Upload issue, is not in any way related to any screen reader. Except from the fact, that sometimes the window gets stuck behind anything else, and you cannot get to it, or you might get there but cannot route the mouse to the checkbox, and long as the Window is behind everything else, certain dialog boxes from other pieces of software on your system, won't display or act correctly. In such cases, the Task Manager, will be a good tool to push Dropbox off the scene. David On 10/5/2019 2:04 AM, john schwery via Talk wrote: > David, I think I turned off that camera upload by tabbing and hitting > a checkbox. > > At 04:54 PM 10/4/2019, David via Talk, wrote: >> Still under Win7, so don't know if this will contribute anything at all. >> But thought to throw in a couple of ideas. >> >> >> First of all, If you ope a normal session in Windows Explorer, i.e by >> hitting Windows-E. >> >> Now move to your standard drive, like C:. >> >> in the root of that drive, you likely will have a foldr, named Users, >> and under that one, every of your user profiles have their own >> subfolder. Go to the subfolder of your Username, and I think it is under >> AppData that you will find the Dropbox subfolder. This is the >> down-to-basic way of reaching the Dropbox folder, and the oneapproach I >> used a couple of days ago. It worked back then, but that might have been >> prior to any updates of the Dropbox software. >> >> >> Still, I don't understand, how Dropbox would prevent you from getting >> normal results, when going this rather manual way. You should be able to >> reach your local copy of the dropbox folder. That is, long as your >> system is set up to hold a local copy, of course. >> >> >> Second idea, please open the Windows Task Manager, by hitting >> Ctrl-Shift-Escape. Scroll down to Dropbox, and hit Alt-E, to end the >> process, and hit Enter to confirm. Press Escape to get out of the Task >> Manager. If everything went well, your Dropbox is now temporarily turned >> off, and your system might leave you the chance of getting to the local >> Dropbox folder on your hard Drive. >> >> Thirdly, if any of it all does not work, here is one more thing to try. >> If possible, please disconnect from any Internet - Wired or Wireless. To >> give it as safe as possible a try, restart your computer. Make sure no >> Dropbox is running,, that is, check the SysTray, and the Task Manager. >> Now try getting to your local folder, and see if it is possible. If so, >> do your copying and reorganizing as you desire. When done, reconnect to >> the internet, and start Dropbox. It supposedly should now realize there >> has been some changes in the local folder, and synchronize with the >> online version of the service. >> >> Again, I did work with Dropbox somethng like two days ago, and had no >> problems in approaching my local folder - doing what I wanted like in >> any other folder on my computer - and then let the Dropbox software >> synchronize with the online service. >> >> In general, I am considering leaving Dropbox altogether. Among other >> things, I hate that it insist on running a service it names "camera >> upload", every time I insert a new memory stick or card into my >> computer. To have it stop doing so, you will have to accept it splashing >> a file of its own, onto every single drive. Have found no way to turn >> off all that self-acting stuff. And if now they have changed their >> services, that they no longer are accessible for screen reader users, I >> am ready to give it all up. Smiles. >> >> There used to be a Dropbox app for Window-Eyes. Don't know if it still >> has any impact, or if it only would get in your way. But it might be one >> way to go. Not even sure, exactly what that app
Re: changes in drop box
Still under Win7, so don't know if this will contribute anything at all. But thought to throw in a couple of ideas. First of all, If you ope a normal session in Windows Explorer, i.e by hitting Windows-E. Now move to your standard drive, like C:. in the root of that drive, you likely will have a foldr, named Users, and under that one, every of your user profiles have their own subfolder. Go to the subfolder of your Username, and I think it is under AppData that you will find the Dropbox subfolder. This is the down-to-basic way of reaching the Dropbox folder, and the oneapproach I used a couple of days ago. It worked back then, but that might have been prior to any updates of the Dropbox software. Still, I don't understand, how Dropbox would prevent you from getting normal results, when going this rather manual way. You should be able to reach your local copy of the dropbox folder. That is, long as your system is set up to hold a local copy, of course. Second idea, please open the Windows Task Manager, by hitting Ctrl-Shift-Escape. Scroll down to Dropbox, and hit Alt-E, to end the process, and hit Enter to confirm. Press Escape to get out of the Task Manager. If everything went well, your Dropbox is now temporarily turned off, and your system might leave you the chance of getting to the local Dropbox folder on your hard Drive. Thirdly, if any of it all does not work, here is one more thing to try. If possible, please disconnect from any Internet - Wired or Wireless. To give it as safe as possible a try, restart your computer. Make sure no Dropbox is running,, that is, check the SysTray, and the Task Manager. Now try getting to your local folder, and see if it is possible. If so, do your copying and reorganizing as you desire. When done, reconnect to the internet, and start Dropbox. It supposedly should now realize there has been some changes in the local folder, and synchronize with the online version of the service. Again, I did work with Dropbox somethng like two days ago, and had no problems in approaching my local folder - doing what I wanted like in any other folder on my computer - and then let the Dropbox software synchronize with the online service. In general, I am considering leaving Dropbox altogether. Among other things, I hate that it insist on running a service it names "camera upload", every time I insert a new memory stick or card into my computer. To have it stop doing so, you will have to accept it splashing a file of its own, onto every single drive. Have found no way to turn off all that self-acting stuff. And if now they have changed their services, that they no longer are accessible for screen reader users, I am ready to give it all up. Smiles. There used to be a Dropbox app for Window-Eyes. Don't know if it still has any impact, or if it only would get in your way. But it might be one way to go. Not even sure, exactly what that app did. A couple of days ago, I uploaded a zip archive of the WE apps I had drawn from App Central, and I know the Dropbox app was in that archive as well. So you could get it from there, if you want to give it a try. Doubtfully, though, it will solve much of your trouble; but I thought to mention it. In case you have it already installed, may it be of any use to try turning it off in the WE control panel? Like Hi Tom, > > tThanks for the imput. I have an icon on my desktop and it used to open to > the normal folder list in drop box. Sadly that is no longer the case. When I > open drop box all it reads is welcome to drop box. The arrow keys do nothing > at all and the tab is the same. I can get something using the numpad keys > but unable to put something in aa folder or remove it. > > A friend is running windows 7 and has the exact same problem. I have a gut > feeling it is designed for windows 10 and not 7. > > Live long and prosper, John > > -Original Message- > From: Talk On > Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk > Sent: 04 October 2019 15:34 > To: bjcolt via Talk > Cc: Tom Kingston > Subject: Re: changes in drop box > > Hi John, > I think first we have to all get on the same page here. And that is where > exactly are you opening Dropbox, in Windows Explorer, in your browser, or in > the new Dropbox app. Be it that you're using mouse keys and the tab key I > assume it's either your browser or the new Dropbox app. > If it's your browser and you're using Internet Explorer they've probably > dropped support for it. > If it's the new Dropbox app you can go into preferences and turn it off. > I don't have the details because I'm in a rush and I just popped up the app > and read that. For anyone else who wants to help, the way I opened the app > was by going to my Dropbox folder, selecting a sub-folder, opening the > context menu, and using Open in Dropbox. There's no keyboard access. > Otherwise John, assuming you have a Dropbox folder on your system you can
Here Is An Archive Of WE Apps
For those who are interested, I have uploaded an archive of WE apps. This was drawn from the App Central, shortly before the screen reader was discontinued. Hence, I guess it holds pretty much the newest version of the apps. I even have included the very most up-to-date version of the extended Dictionary. This archive holds about 270 apps. A few apps - which were released, but which I never wanted - has been removed. Still, it should fathom quite much of the apps ever released for the screen reader. Please, as I will only keep it there for a short while, make sure to download while it still is available. After downloading, you will have a zipped archive, holding all the WEPM installers for the individaul apps. There even is a folder, holding some older version of certain apps. I kept it there, in case any of it would be of interest, though I am not sure if that really would be so. Below, you will find the links. One starts the download directly, the other require certain user interaction. https://www.dropbox.com/s/345w1unqknmlu9k/WEApps.zip?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/345w1unqknmlu9k/WEApps.zip?dl=1 -- David ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Help needed: Deleting multiple files
Thanks, at least you got me on the right track. For everyone's benefit, below is the method outlined. As such, I hope we have contributed to make the daily computing somehow easier for other users. Sure saves some time, when you have to delete several files in a given folder. 1. Open the folder in Windows Explorer. 2. Arrow to the first file you want to mark. 3. Press Ctrl-Space, which will deselect all files in the folder. 4. Press Ctrl-Space again, which will select the currently focused file. 5. Importantly, Keep holding down the Ctrl-key, and use your Up- and Down-keys, to scroll to the next file you want to mark. 6. Reaching the next file of interest, again press Ctrl-Space, to have it marked out. 7. Keep repeating steps 5 and 6, till you have selected all files of your interest. 8. Once you are done selecting, you can let go of the Ctrl-key. 9. Now that you have the files sselected, you can either press the Del-key to have them removed from your computer; or, you can use the Ctrl-C to copy, or rather the Ctrl-X to move the files to another location on your system. Hope this helps everyone. Thanks again for the assistance. David On 9/28/2019 3:39 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote: > I think you hold down the ctrl key and then press Space at each file > that you want to select. I haven't done this, so proceed with caution. > > > > Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD > http://lras.home.sprynet.com > -Original Message----- From: David via Talk > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 9:29 AM > To: WE English Mailinglist > Cc: David > Subject: Help needed: Deleting multiple files > > Running Win7. > > > Listers, > > I have tried figuring this out, but seem to be blank-minded today. > Anyone has some experience, please let me know. > > > I have a folder, holding numerous files. I open it in Windows Explorer, > and arrow my way down through the list of files. > > > It occurs, that I need to delete several of the files. Fine, if they had > been right next to each other, I would have used the Shift-Arrow > combinations - selecting the files to be deleted, and then press Del-key. > > > Thing is, the files are spread out all over the list. I need to delete > say file number 1, 4 and 6. So exactly > > how > > do I go about that one. I searched the net, and it said to use the > CTRL-key, along with the mouse. If I hold the CTRL along with the Slash > or Star on the numeric keypad, simulating the Left or Right clicks on > the mouse, I only hear > > "Slash" > > and > > "Star" > > spoken, and nothing else happens. > > > It further claimed you alternatively should use CTRL-Space, and it would > select the file currently focused. Thing is, I tried that one too, and > it still does not work. So what is the clue? > > > How does one select multiple files, in Windows Explorer, with the use of > WinEyes. > > > To make it more complicated for you, I did try yet another approach. I > used the Insert-Del combination on the numeric keypad. It gave me the > chance to > > MARK > > but when I did choose to let it do so, on each of the files in question, > and then pressed Del to delete - Only the currently focused file will be > deleted. In other words, none of the other files I thought I had marked, > did actually receive any marking. > > > Hope all of this makes any sense. By The Way, is this kind of operation > more accessible in either of the other Screen Readers, NVDA or Jaws. If > so, what's the procedure, please? > > > Thanks all, > > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Help needed: Deleting multiple files
Running Win7. Listers, I have tried figuring this out, but seem to be blank-minded today. Anyone has some experience, please let me know. I have a folder, holding numerous files. I open it in Windows Explorer, and arrow my way down through the list of files. It occurs, that I need to delete several of the files. Fine, if they had been right next to each other, I would have used the Shift-Arrow combinations - selecting the files to be deleted, and then press Del-key. Thing is, the files are spread out all over the list. I need to delete say file number 1, 4 and 6. So exactly how do I go about that one. I searched the net, and it said to use the CTRL-key, along with the mouse. If I hold the CTRL along with the Slash or Star on the numeric keypad, simulating the Left or Right clicks on the mouse, I only hear "Slash" and "Star" spoken, and nothing else happens. It further claimed you alternatively should use CTRL-Space, and it would select the file currently focused. Thing is, I tried that one too, and it still does not work. So what is the clue? How does one select multiple files, in Windows Explorer, with the use of WinEyes. To make it more complicated for you, I did try yet another approach. I used the Insert-Del combination on the numeric keypad. It gave me the chance to MARK but when I did choose to let it do so, on each of the files in question, and then pressed Del to delete - Only the currently focused file will be deleted. In other words, none of the other files I thought I had marked, did actually receive any marking. Hope all of this makes any sense. By The Way, is this kind of operation more accessible in either of the other Screen Readers, NVDA or Jaws. If so, what's the procedure, please? Thanks all, -- David ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Important message to users of the Extended Dictionary
To all users of the Extended Dictionary. I have uploaded a version with an updated license, to my Dropbox. As I am not sure how long I will keep my Dropbox account active, please make sure to download the file immediately. The new version should be: 0.69.5.3 and it is good for a couple more years. After that, likely there will be no more updates. Nonetheless, Not sure if there will be much more Wineyes users by then either, as technology is moving on. Smiles. If anyone please would forward this message to the other WE list, thanks alot, as I am not subscribed there. Below you will find two links to Dropbox. Not sure if it is the one ending with 0 or 1, which will download automatically. The other will require some extra user interaction, to have the download start. They both point to the same file. May I take the opportunity to thank all users of the Extended Dictionary, for your support through the last handful of years. It's been nice to develop an app under the screen reader, and great that it has been of help to someone. your feedback, suggestions and assistance have been of great help. Unfortunately, I never got to the point of implementing all the features that you had requested, and which I wanted to. And with the discontinuation of WinEyes a couple of years ago, the urge to go on with the development simply no longer exists. The number of users, likely have dropped considerably since then. And specially so, since we can no longer upload and distribute via the App Central. Enjoy. David (Author of the Extended Dictionary for Window-Eyes) https://www.dropbox.com/s/c4eipguo23a1jrr/Extended_Dictionary.wepm?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/c4eipguo23a1jrr/Extended_Dictionary.wepm?dl=1 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Off-topic: Linux
Thanks alot. Will look into it, as time permits. Getting back, with my results, once I have had the chance to get around it. David On 9/22/2019 9:52 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: > Hi David, > > Quicker than I expected, I found, downloaded, and installed Vinux. > Here's the URL with links to various distributions, of which I have only > tried the 64-bit version, since this is the type of computer I have: > > https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=vinux > > Here's the URL to download the 64-bit version: > > http://downloads.sourceforge.net/vinuxproject/vinux-5.1-amd64.iso > > This requires a 64-bit computer. > This is an ISO image which, normally, you would burn to a DVD, not a CD since > it is too large. > Once you boot the computer with the DVD, it comes up talking and immediately > gives you the option to install it on your system. > It will format the hard disk on your system to hold the operating system, > which is Linux Ubuntu. > I had only one hard disk attached to the virtual machine I installed it to, > and so I do not know precisely how I would choose the drive to which to > install it were I to have had more than one. > However, I assume it would default to the primary drive. > The installation procedure is quite straightforward, assuming speech comes up > for you at the outset. > If it does come up talking, you will be prompted to install it to your hard > disk immediately. > > Here's a web page containing some useful keyboard shortcuts to Linux Ubuntu: > > https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-shortcuts/ > > Finally, here's a link to the documentation for the Orca screen reader which > is installed on the desktop of this version of Linux: > > https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > As memory serves, when you open a terminal window on the Linux Gnome desktop, > another screen reader is in effect. > However, I do not believe the command set is essentially different since the > two screen readers are intended to work together, one being for the graphical > user interface of the Gnome desktop, whereas the other is intended for use in > the terminal. > > Anyway, this should get you going, and you can let us know about any > challenges you might encounter. > > Good luck, > > Rod > > Sent from Outlook for Windows > > -Original Message- > From: Talk On > Behalf Of David via Talk > Sent: September 22, 2019 12:43 AM > To: dhoffjr--- via Talk > Cc: David > Subject: Re: Off-topic: Linux > > Thanks, and sorry for late reply. > > > I first of all, need to get hold of Linux; whichever version I might go for. > Someone sent me a link for Vinux, but all I can find on that page, is a lot > of blah-blah about the project. It says to download it from the FTP, but the > address on the page is > > ftp://ftp.vinux.org.uk/ > > and when I try that one, it keeps asking me for a username and password. > These are told to be > > vinuxftp > > both, but that does not work. Any other attempts I have made to get hold of > that Vinux thing, simply just has failed. > > > Do you happen to know, if that project still is going? On the > Vinux.org.uk, the latest I can seem to find, is some notes from a couple > of years back. So just wonder if it all has discontinued. > > > Anyway, what else can I do. You mentioned a few versions, and to a > newbie, it simply makes little difference. Sorry. Which version would > you suggest I start with, and where to get it? > > > My appologies for silly questions, but I am quite blank on the Linux > field, so forebare with me please. > > > Thanks again, > > > David > > On 7/10/2019 7:20 PM, dhoffjr--- via Talk wrote: >> I have been using Linux for about 10 years. Started out with a distro >> called Vinux based on Debian and later on Ubuntu, and now using mainly >> Debian in the console text mode with speech. There is a new release of >> a distro called Slint from Slackware which I am currently also looking >> at. Unfortunately, Linux does not have the equivalent of the WE screen >> reader, and not all applications are accessible with the screen reader >> that comes with Linux. >> >> I am also using WE with Windows 7 which I cannot get away from do to >> business software I use. >> >> I check my email every morning and would be happy if you want to contact >> me directly for any questions. >> >> > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/op
Mobil installation
Guys, Please refresh my memory a bit. How again, do we go about making a mobile installation of the WinEyes? I need it instaled on a memory card, to run on another computer, but it has been quite a while since I did it last time, and my memory got blank on how to go about it. Feedback please, thanks alot to everyone. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Off-topic: Linux
Thanks, and sorry for late reply. I first of all, need to get hold of Linux; whichever version I might go for. Someone sent me a link for Vinux, but all I can find on that page, is a lot of blah-blah about the project. It says to download it from the FTP, but the address on the page is ftp://ftp.vinux.org.uk/ and when I try that one, it keeps asking me for a username and password. These are told to be vinuxftp both, but that does not work. Any other attempts I have made to get hold of that Vinux thing, simply just has failed. Do you happen to know, if that project still is going? On the Vinux.org.uk, the latest I can seem to find, is some notes from a couple of years back. So just wonder if it all has discontinued. Anyway, what else can I do. You mentioned a few versions, and to a newbie, it simply makes little difference. Sorry. Which version would you suggest I start with, and where to get it? My appologies for silly questions, but I am quite blank on the Linux field, so forebare with me please. Thanks again, David On 7/10/2019 7:20 PM, dhoffjr--- via Talk wrote: > I have been using Linux for about 10 years. Started out with a distro > called Vinux based on Debian and later on Ubuntu, and now using mainly > Debian in the console text mode with speech. There is a new release of > a distro called Slint from Slackware which I am currently also looking > at. Unfortunately, Linux does not have the equivalent of the WE screen > reader, and not all applications are accessible with the screen reader > that comes with Linux. > > I am also using WE with Windows 7 which I cannot get away from do to > business software I use. > > I check my email every morning and would be happy if you want to contact > me directly for any questions. > > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Off-Topic: Braille Translation Software
Don't know if any of you listers own a Braille Embosser. Just wondered if someone happen to know of any OK translation software. I did use Duxbury in the past, but have lost my license key. And from what I can make out of it, that package is not exactly cheap. Basically, I need just a piece of software, that will format a plain text, into something printable in Braille. Of course, it will be best if it manages Grade-Two, as well. If any of you would have some brand name, or some kind of experience to share, please let me know. Contact me off-list, that we don't clutter the traffic here. If nothing else, I would have to write my own little piece of software, to handle the few printing jobs I need. Does there exist any booklets, that define the printing rules of American Grade-Two (contracted) Braille? Anything up-to-date available on the net? Thanks for any feedback. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: window-eyes in safe mode
Was in a similar situation lately, having Avast installing itself as part of some bundled update. For everyone's record, Win7 64Bit, though I see that of little help in this regard. I too would have liked to go into safe mode,and perform the Avast removal from there. Obviously, when you turn on your computer, keep pressing repeatedly, and rapidly on the F8. Then the Loading screen of your system should come up, and if memory serves me right you would have to press once on the Down-Arrow, followed by Enter. Windows should now launch in Safe Mode. Once launched, you are supposed to press the Alt-Ctrl-W, to have WinEyes loading. I tried, but had no luck. I tried to press the hotkeys for NVDA, or Jaws, hoping that either of the screen readers would talk to me. But apparently my built-in sound card on my Dell computer, does not support Safe Mode, and from what I was told, you then would be out of luck. So, how did I get rid of Avast? If you are on Win7, you could go to the Programs And Features, and try to uninstall Avast from there. OK, that screen does not talk much, and you can try operate the buttons on the screen as much as you want, it won't help you. In WinEyes, there is an app named Virtual View. It did, far as I remember, come as part of the standard installation. If not, you might see if anyone on the list could drop you a copy. Jaws has its OCR feature, that will perform much the same. They both will try to perform an OCR on your screen, and then present you with a textual version of the contents. Along with some means of pressing the buttons on the screen. That is, you press the buttons in the OCR screen, and it will fly the message over to the Avast Uninstaller, as if you had pressed the buttons directly there. What happened in my case,was that Jaws would read the screen far better than WinEyes, but I only could presse the buttons through the use of Virtual View in WinEyes. Meaning, I needed have both WinEyes and Jaws launched at the same time. This was not easy, and took me considerable time to figure how to manage two screen readers - and their cooperation - at the same time as I was trying to figure the uninstall process itself. Thing is, Avast won't just let you uninstall. It first want to know Why, and if you are Sure, even if you are going to Install Again, or if you would like to Recommend the software to others. Having clicked some buttons, and I do think there was a couple of Checkboxes, Avast finally gives up on you, and dig itself out of the system. Be forewarned though. It does not do a too good job in cleaning up the traces in your registry, so chances are that a Registry cleansing would be your next wanting. Before anyone have chance to ask the next question, here is the answer. Isn't there an Uninstaller for Avast, that can be run outside the Programs An Features? Sure, just go on the net and search for remove Avast, and you will find it. Yet, I do not know if you really want to go that extra mile. You end up with pretty much the same screens, and just as little chance to perfomr the uninstallation without two eyes. Once upon a time, Avast was very accessible, and I used it on my system. That system got a malware, that Avast had overlooked. And when I tried to install Avast on my recovered system, it was no longer accessible at all, and never have been ever since. At least, I have tried it with WinEyes, NVDA and Jaws, WinXP as well as Win7, to absolutely no avail. What's more, several pieces of software now aday, come bundled with Avast, some of them either installing it without asking your permission, or presenting you with a non-accessible checkbox for determining if Avast should be installed. Like in the case with CCleaner, who does ask, but you won't know whether the checkbox is on or off. Sorry lengthy message, and that I cannot be of much more help. Struggled several days in figuring my way out of a hard-spot, but somehow managed. Best thing would be, if you could have two eyes assist you. And, by all means, make sure you are logged on to the system with *Adninistrator priveleges. David On 7/20/2019 1:57 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: > I was trying to install some drivers today from a cd and it installed > avast, which doesn't talk and I can't remove it. I was thinking there > was a way to use we in safe mode, and I'm not sure how I get there. > Is it f 7 or f 8, I don't recall. Any help appreciated. > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at >
Re: Error Reporting
Rod, Just to remind. I would agree, to let people know the specs, specially when asking techie questions. Thing is, the initial thread-starter, did clearly indicate that this happened on a Win7 64bit system. I know a couple of the others too, did specify that it was on Win7 machines. As a matter of fact, all the posts I did see in this thread have reported Win7 systems. That is, apart from one single user reporting things to happen even under Win10. Just thought to point your attention. Thanks for your help, and it would be interesting if the person who did report the Error Message on a Win10 system, if they would please let us know if your solution would benefit that flavor of Windows. In case any of the Win7 users experiencing this issue would come across anything near a solution, we all will be thankful. Sure, it works just fine to press the Delete Report button, and continue as ever before. Matter of fact, yu don't weem to have much other for a choice. Since it has been reported to only occur when fresh-starting WinEyes, and not if you restart the screen reader, I tend to wonder if something goes wrong in the very startup of the screen reader. Maybe closing down WinEyes, and then restarting it, does not clear out all hooks and loops with the OS, hence no report is generated when restarting. One test here, could of course be to close WinEyes, and leave it closed down for say 15 minutes, perhaps using a nother screen reader meanwhile. Will the Error Message come up next time you start WinEyes? Or, yet another thing might be worth testing, is to set WinEyes not to load when your machine starts. Let the machine reboot, leave it alone for a couple of minutes, well making sure it has all loaded. Then start WinEyes with its hotkey, and see if the Error Message still comes up. If not, there might be something in the OS, that somehow does not get all ready, before the Auto-Start of WinEyes usually takes place. Whatever that would be. On 7/18/2019 8:31 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: > Hi Don and Natalie, > > Okay, well, Whatever the case, I just want to encourage people, when posting their experiences, to always give their system specs. > Otherwise, people, like me, make assumptions and try to find solutions which, in the long run, are a complete waste of time. Smile > > Cheers, > > Rod > > Sent from Outlook for Windows > > -Original Message- > From: Talk On Behalf Of Donald L. Roberts via Talk > Sent: July 18, 2019 11:57 AM > To: Mike via Talk > Cc: Donald L. Roberts > Subject: Re: Error Reporting > > I too am getting the Window-eyes error message when I boot one of my two Windows 10 PCs. However, I do not get that message if I close Window-eyes and then restart it. Go figure. > > > Don Roberts > > > On 7/17/2019 12:09 PM, Mike via Talk wrote: >> I am getting the same problem on my desktop but my laptop isn't >> getting this. >> >> >> Mike. >> >> On 17/07/2019 15:45, David via Talk wrote: >>> Second that one. No Save button, and the Script Error messages are >>> totally different in layout and presentation. They at least do tell >>> which script is causing the error. This one just states there is an >>> error in WinEyes, and that's all. >>> >>> >>> Like others, I just delete it. Anoying, but that's all you can do. >>> >>> >>> Will try wiping my Temporary Files, to see if that would fix anything. >>> >>> >>> David >>> >>> On 7/17/2019 1:22 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote: >>>> I haven't seen a "save error" button. However, I wouldn't be >>>> surprised if it is lurking somewhere in my temporary files. >>>> This error message is not from a script, at least not reported as >>>> such. I have had plenty of those over the yeras, especially from the >>>> Duxbury script. But this error doesn't happen all the time, either. >>>> This morning I booted up and did not see this one when I began to >>>> look around. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD >>>> http://lras.home.sprynet.com >>>> -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 6:58 AM >>>> To: Tom via Talk >>>> Cc: Tom Kingston >>>> Subject: Re: Error Reporting >>>> >>>> Isn't there a save error button as well? This will save it to a file >>>> and is particularly helpful if the error is in a script. It should >>>> show exactly what the problem is. Otherwise, if the probl
Re: Error Reporting
Second that one. No Save button, and the Script Error messages are totally different in layout and presentation. They at least do tell which script is causing the error. This one just states there is an error in WinEyes, and that's all. Like others, I just delete it. Anoying, but that's all you can do. Will try wiping my Temporary Files, to see if that would fix anything. David On 7/17/2019 1:22 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote: > I haven't seen a "save error" button. However, I wouldn't be surprised > if it is lurking somewhere in my temporary files. > This error message is not from a script, at least not reported as > such. I have had plenty of those over the yeras, especially from the > Duxbury script. But this error doesn't happen all the time, either. > This morning I booted up and did not see this one when I began to look > around. > > > > > Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD > http://lras.home.sprynet.com > -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 6:58 AM > To: Tom via Talk > Cc: Tom Kingston > Subject: Re: Error Reporting > > Isn't there a save error button as well? This will save it to a file and > is particularly helpful if the error is in a script. It should show > exactly what the problem is. Otherwise, if the problem is with > Window-Eyes itself, the report will be more cryptic. Still, it should > show what the problem is. > > Hth, > Tom > > > On 7/16/2019 5:21 PM, Tom via Talk wrote: >> Using Windows 7 64 bit and Window-Eyes 9.5.4. >> I have Window-Eyes set to load after login. >> For the past few days after Window-Eyes loads I get the error >> reporting message. I've been deleting it and Window-Eyes >> seems to run normally, but what might be causing the error >> reporting message to come up? >> >> Thank you, >> >> Tom >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/lras%40sprynet.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window eyes issue
Sometimes, even an old memory still serves. The app is named WEDiag, and I did find an older version on my system, of the .wepm file. I still decided to install it, and it did so with no further issues. But would you believe it? After a few seconds, a message popped up on the screen - informing me that a newer version is available. I accepted for it to install, and right away an update was downloaded and got installed. Even if we cannot get to the App Central any longer, somehow it seems the servers might still be lingering anywhere out there on Cyberspace. Smiles. And yes, immediately upon installing, there the Diagnose meny appeared under the App menu, and here you will find tools for Office. The app apparently was part of the distribution package of the screen reader, so chances are that it might be on your system already. Try searching the whole computer - usually by hitting Win-key in combination with the F (for Find). Then type into the search box: wediag.wepm and hit Enter. If it is on your system, you will see it appearing in the listbox of the screen, in only a few seconds. Once focused, simply press Enter on it, and follow instructions. If not, let me know your mail address, and I will send you my copy. David On 7/15/2019 9:26 PM, David via Talk wrote: > For whatever it is worth. > > > First of all, I run a paid-for version of WinEyes, so probably things > are different in the Office version. > > > Still, I did - for the fun of it - go to my WE Control Panel, and check > the Ap menu. Neither on my system, you will find any "Diagnose" choice. > > > What I could contribute here, if my memory serves me right, there did > exist an app named something like WEDiagnose. If that is the case, maybe > you will need this app installed, in order to have the Diagnose choice > under the menu. And perhaps that will explain why neither of us see it > as a selection on our systems. > > > Then again, this was pulled from memory. > > > > David > > On 7/15/2019 9:07 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote: >> Hi Rod, I have no problem moving around the WE control panel but under >> the apps menu, I find no diagnostics item. Not sure what is going on. >> >> On 7/15/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: >>> Hi Bernie, >>> >>> If you are in the We control panel, you should be able to press Alt in >>> order to open a friendly menu which you can then simply press the arrow >>> keys to move around in. >>> Apps is definitely one of the menus. >>> Also, another way to do it is that when you have simply opened the WE >>> control panel, Pressing Alt-A will open the Apps menu. >>> You can then simply press down arrow several times to find the Diagnostics >>> menu. >>> >>> Good luck, >>> >>> Rod >>> >>> Sent from Outlook for Windows >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk On >>> Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk >>> Sent: July 15, 2019 2:34 PM >>> To: Rod Hutton via Talk >>> Cc: Bernie Perella >>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue >>> >>> Hi Rod, thank you for your help so far. I tried going to the WE cotrol >>> panel but there is no diagnostics item under the apps menu. What do you >>> think? I have show advanced options checked under the help menu. Bernie >>> >>> On 7/15/2019 11:15 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: >>>> Hi Bernie, >>>> >>>> In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, you should find an >>>> option called Diagnostics, which is a pull-down menu. >>>> In that pull-down, there's an option called Microsoft Office. >>>> In that menu, there are a number of options which may help diagnose and >>>> repair the licence for your Office suite. >>>> You must have a good licence in order for Office to run out of demo mode. >>>> See if this helps. >>>> >>>> Good luck, >>>> >>>> Rod >>>> >>>> Sent from Outlook for Windows >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Talk >>>> On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk >>>> Sent: July 15, 2019 10:37 AM >>>> To: Rod Hutton via Talk >>>> Cc: Bernie Perella >>>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue >>>> >>>> Hi, As I mentioned, I have a copy of Window-eyes for office 9.5.1.0. >>>> However, trying to run that file gives the message that the >>>> certificate has been revoked. I checked the certificate and found >>>> that
Re: Window eyes issue
For whatever it is worth. First of all, I run a paid-for version of WinEyes, so probably things are different in the Office version. Still, I did - for the fun of it - go to my WE Control Panel, and check the Ap menu. Neither on my system, you will find any "Diagnose" choice. What I could contribute here, if my memory serves me right, there did exist an app named something like WEDiagnose. If that is the case, maybe you will need this app installed, in order to have the Diagnose choice under the menu. And perhaps that will explain why neither of us see it as a selection on our systems. Then again, this was pulled from memory. David On 7/15/2019 9:07 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote: > Hi Rod, I have no problem moving around the WE control panel but under > the apps menu, I find no diagnostics item. Not sure what is going on. > > On 7/15/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: >> Hi Bernie, >> >> If you are in the We control panel, you should be able to press Alt in order >> to open a friendly menu which you can then simply press the arrow keys to >> move around in. >> Apps is definitely one of the menus. >> Also, another way to do it is that when you have simply opened the WE >> control panel, Pressing Alt-A will open the Apps menu. >> You can then simply press down arrow several times to find the Diagnostics >> menu. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Rod >> >> Sent from Outlook for Windows >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk On >> Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk >> Sent: July 15, 2019 2:34 PM >> To: Rod Hutton via Talk >> Cc: Bernie Perella >> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue >> >> Hi Rod, thank you for your help so far. I tried going to the WE cotrol >> panel but there is no diagnostics item under the apps menu. What do you >> think? I have show advanced options checked under the help menu. Bernie >> >> On 7/15/2019 11:15 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: >>> Hi Bernie, >>> >>> In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, you should find an >>> option called Diagnostics, which is a pull-down menu. >>> In that pull-down, there's an option called Microsoft Office. >>> In that menu, there are a number of options which may help diagnose and >>> repair the licence for your Office suite. >>> You must have a good licence in order for Office to run out of demo mode. >>> See if this helps. >>> >>> Good luck, >>> >>> Rod >>> >>> Sent from Outlook for Windows >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk >>> On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk >>> Sent: July 15, 2019 10:37 AM >>> To: Rod Hutton via Talk >>> Cc: Bernie Perella >>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue >>> >>> Hi, As I mentioned, I have a copy of Window-eyes for office 9.5.1.0. >>> However, trying to run that file gives the message that the >>> certificate has been revoked. I checked the certificate and found >>> that indeed it has expired. then I found another installation file >>> for WE 9.2.0. I did run that file after checking that its certificate >>> had also expired but it did run and I got WE 9.2 installed. Then used >>> my we 9.5.4 upgrade file to get WE 9.5.4 installed. However, I am >>> still having the issue that WE runs only in demo mode. Still looking >>> for any suggestions for how to get WE into normal operation. Thnks >>> again to those who have responded. Bernie >>> >>> On 7/15/2019 9:11 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: Hi Loy and Bernie, Okay, silly me. I wasn't paying close attention, and so I overlooked the fact that we're talking about a Window-Eyes for Office installation problem, not retail. In that event, perhaps someone has a full installation file for Window-Eyes for Office 9.5.4. Good luck, Rod Sent from Outlook for Windows -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk Sent: July 15, 2019 8:47 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Loy Green Subject: Re: Window eyes issue On the retail version doing an emerengcy uninstall and reinstall would fix a lot of problems, not sure if it would be the same with a WE for office version. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit
Re: Window eyes issue
There was a re-certification of Window-Eyes, just a few months prior to its being discontinued. Unless you have the latest installation files at hand, meaning 9.54 from the spring of the discontinuation, I am not sure you can do much. Of course, it might be worth to get in touch with FS, and see if they might still be able to hand out a copy. Or, maybe someone has the latest WE For Office installation file hanging around, and could provide it to you. To what extend the Office version of the screen reader still will install, or if Microsoft has pulled the plug completely, I would not be the one to tell. Others, running that version of WE, will have to give their info on the matter. David On 7/13/2019 8:23 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote: > HI, I am wondering if FS has now completely put the ax to Windoweyes. > Recently I had to reinstall Windows onto my Toshiba laptop. As a > result, I had to reinstall my apps, Windoweyes being one of them. I > have a valid copy of MS Office 2016 home and student. I also have an > installation copy of WindowEyesForOfficeEnglish9510.exe and the update > file for we 954. When I first tried to reinstall the we 9.1.0 it > appeared to work but things didn't seem right. I uninstalled WE and > when I tried to run the we 9.1.0.exe file again, I received a message > that an administrator has blocked the file. I checked the > properties/certificates and found that the certificate had been > explicitly revoked. So, the questio is: have certificates for We > installation files been revoked so that once a user needs to reinstall > their copy of WE, they are now dead in the water? thanks for any help. > Bernie > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Off-topic: Linux
Listers, Please forebare with my off-topic. Just got two quick questions. Any of you who havs a bit of experience with Linux - and who could get in touch off-list, for further questions? And, does there exist a list - similar to this one - for blind linux users, where my further queries would belong? I did search the net, but think my search to be little productive, and I ended up more confused than helped. Thanks, ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility
ombination hardly ever occur, hence no need to spend one Braille character in shortening something that close to never would be used. That in turn means, that the character we in English so happily read as TH, might be used for the representation of another set of characters in any other language. Some language might define it to represent two or three characters, others will spend the Braille symbol on shortening a whole word, whereas still others will be using it to represent a National character outside the 26 standard ones aA through Z. One such example would be the symbol made up of dots 2, 4 and 6. In English you let that symbol represent the O-W combination; In Danish they use it to represent one of their three National characters. OK, so for a Braille user to read fast and effecient, he needs the Braille table swap whenever he wants to read a given text, in any of his languages. Just like you swap the synth. If he has to go through a couple of menus to swap Braille table, and another couple of menus to swap synth - how long will it take him to swap language? Or, how tidious will it be? Doing this five times an hour, how productive will such a screen reader prove to be? Until a screen reader can provide a means of quick and seamless swapping of synthesizer, I am ready to deem it "not good for high productivity". I did discuss this with Doug, back in the years of GW. GW never seemed to understand, hence never got multi-lingual. Jaws has been somehow better on this, though they are in lack of some standard means of quick-swap. Guess it could be scripted, and thereby be productive enough. NVDA, to all my knowledge has no quick fix on the matter. And Android is hopeless without some third-party applications installed. Never touched a Mac, so curious if someone would know what capabilities are on the TalkOver. Though rather lengthy an explanation, you will now appreciate at least one of the features that will need quite some attention in most of the built-in screen readers. Since Microsoft are pretty stiff on their licensing of the OS itself, not even letting you change the very license from one language to the other, let alone the capability of swapping the working environment - I am ready to doubt they are going to spend too much effort in making their screen reader all that multi-lingual. Prove me wrong, and I will be happy. Google lets you do some swapping, in that they tie the language synth up with what keyboard is active. Fine, long as you type - but it does have no effect when you just read an SMS or any other text on the screen. Again, would be interesting to know, how seamless this performs on Apple products. On 7/8/2019 4:56 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: > To know that the folks at GW Micro are working on making accessibility in windows great, tells me that Narrator and Magnifier are in no way done yet. > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk On Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk > Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2019 7:14 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Cc: Loy Green > Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility > > The latest version of Narrator in Windows 1903 is very good. It has gotten me through some things that JAWS could not. > - Original Message - > From: "David via Talk" > To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" ; > Cc: "David" > Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2019 10:07 AM > Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility > > >> Well, let it be Narrator might eventually turn into something useful. >> And forebare with me, I have not tested anything later than Win8.1, so >> perhaps it is already getting into something basic. Google managed to >> have a somehow working screen reader, and what I hear, so did Apple. >> Still, I think very few people will agree, should we claim any of >> these even close to the standard of things like Jaws, Win-Eyes, and to >> a certain degree NVDA. For one thing, those screen readers that are >> included with the OS, lack a good deal of personalization capabilities. >> I am not aware you can built any kind of Scripts or add-ons to either >> of them. >> >> >> Besides, dreaming that Microsoft would let all be part of the OS, >> without charging their users; seem not too much to rely on, should we >> judge from history. OK, they could change their schemes, and very much >> welcome to do that. But look what they have done with Office. Sure, >> you don't have to pay them a check of a couple of hundred dollars, but >> rather they are going to feed at your credit card table every single >> month. In about two years, you have subscribe enough that you could >> have bought the full-fledged version. And did you buy, you could ha
Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility
rocess. There has been an enormous amount of work done on > accessibility in product lines such as Office and the Visual Studio > programming environment. > > Whether one purchases or subscribes to Office is their choice. For > some (blind or not) the small monthly or annual payments is the > difference between getting it and not getting it. > > Microsoft will never sell Narrator. They would be publicly shamed. And > the market is too small to make a difference to a company that large > anyway. > > I'm not a fan of Apple's VoiceOver. But it is scriptable in some > manner. I have a friend who owns a recording studio in New York city > and is running purely on Macs. That is work that is far beyond that of > the average user. > > So, from my perspective, the world isn't quite so bleak and out to get > us. > > > On 7/7/2019 10:07 AM, David via Talk wrote: >> Well, let it be Narrator might eventually turn into something useful. >> And forebare with me, I have not tested anything later than Win8.1, so >> perhaps it is already getting into something basic. Google managed to >> have a somehow working screen reader, and what I hear, so did Apple. >> Still, I think very few people will agree, should we claim any of these >> even close to the standard of things like Jaws, Win-Eyes, and to a >> certain degree NVDA. For one thing, those screen readers that are >> included with the OS, lack a good deal of personalization capabilities. >> I am not aware you can built any kind of Scripts or add-ons to either of >> them. >> >> >> Besides, dreaming that Microsoft would let all be part of the OS, >> without charging their users; seem not too much to rely on, should we >> judge from history. OK, they could change their schemes, and very much >> welcome to do that. But look what they have done with Office. Sure, you >> don't have to pay them a check of a couple of hundred dollars, but >> rather they are going to feed at your credit card table every single >> month. In about two years, you have subscribe enough that you could have >> bought the full-fledged version. And did you buy, you could have camped >> with it for the next 5 or 10 years. >> >> >> My guess is, that you at the best will see MS coming out with a somehow >> working Narrator.And then, should you want it to perform anything much >> more than just read the screen to you, you will be offered to pay $19.95 >> a month; or, in case you want the Professional version with some basic >> scripting like Jaws - let's charge you $39.95 a month. >> >> >> I've been using Android for a little now, and have to say it is great to >> see the screen reader has improved over the last handful of years. >> Still, a simple thing like browsing the net, TalkBack lacks a whole lot. >> And, there are a few things that you might want to do on a computer, >> which you do not necessarily see fit on your small mobil device. Hence, >> whatever good the screen reader might be on your cellphone or tablet, >> will you please consider comparing your activity on these units, as well >> as your productivity - and then come back telling me these screen >> readers are to be compared with WinEyes for one. But if now, Google and >> Apple - both being really big industries, and even somehow passed by >> Microsoft in market sharing - has never got anything better than this, >> why would you expect Microsoft to be. As MS are loosing market, they >> doubtfully will put too much into a screen reader. After all, it is not >> the screen reader that will sell. On the other hand, as Google and Apple >> has climbed the ladder of the market, you would somehow have expected >> them to have invested more in their screen readers. What is it you think >> MS will be doing different? >> >> >> Sorry, I did not mean to be critical, or to put anyone down. I just >> meant to point out the realities of today. Business is business; and it >> is all about money. As the electronic devices have dropped in price, >> noone wants to pay 5 times the electronic price, for their software to >> be able to run the device. Meaning, the software industry cannot charge >> you a shirt, a jacket and five pairs of shoes -just to leave you the >> license for turning on your computer. Why we see more and more >> subscription-based products. Even now aday, the pricing of the Windows >> license soon will be higher than the price of buying just a brand new >> computer, with a somehow restricted license on it. Use it for two or >> three years, till the poor quality breaks, and then throw it away and go >> get yourself
Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility
Search the archives of this list, and you will likely find the discussions of those days. A few people actually wondered if that was what would going to happen, that it would mean the slow death of WinEyes. Unhappily, developing a good screen reader, maintaining its features and functionality over time, and ensuring it is up-to-date - it all takes resources. You've just got your product working with some of the big businesses, like MSOffice, Facebook, Google or something else. You go home on Friday afternoon, hoping for a bit of relaxing through the weekend. Only to realize, Sunday evening the business lets out some kind of update, that simply breaks all your work of the last three months. Now see what your bank account tells you, about the money and staff you have to spray into that screen reader product of yours, just to have it up running again. What's more, maybe you even had been working with the business for all these three months, namely to sort out a way for your screen reader to perform well and seamlessly. All the more so, you feel bewildered why they never bothered to let you know about the changes. Remember the days when MS and GW teamed up. They told us it would result in the screen reader team getting closer to the engineers of MS, which would benefit the end-user. A few weeks later, a certain (and rather minor) case came up. Some users reported an issue. GW came back, and told us that Windows as an OS, would not let them fix the problem. Couple more days, and one of the app developers loaded an app to app central, holding a very few lines of code; and the problem had its fix. Now, there you had it. GW was "closer to the engineers". Close enough that they would not fix the issue. An app developer, who had some fun as a hobbiest, fix the whole thing in no time. Then came the days when all the merging was taking place. Every time we were hearing the reasurance that this would benefit the end-user. Wonder how much each such merging cost. Money, oh for sure. But even just for the staff to get adjusted to whatever new circumstances would be the case. New servers, new logos, new judicial papers, new organizing; well name it what you feel like. Had they rather spent the money and resources on getting the screen reader smoothened out, who knows what the end result would have been. Thing is, if you cannot compete - then why don't you just team up with your competitor. Great to see that the team got jobs anywhere else, first GW did go down. But too what extent that is going to be the greatest benefit for the end-user, I have my doubts. Add to it, that first the people moved from GW's facilities into those of MS, they are no longer free to think and develop. They now are on the pay-list of MS, and people much higher in that system will not necessarily have too much thoughts about screen reader development. I could be wrong here, and please don't take my words badly. But sometimes I do wonder if Microsoft, Apple, Google or any of the other big industries out there, really would have bothered a screen reader at all, wa it not to bring some honor to their business name. I mean, you've got a good product, and if you could make it shine as somehow accessible, wouldn't that be an extra gain in the market? After all, when was it Apple started to climb? Was it somehow when they opened up for some accessibility in their products? Not saying it had anything to do with their successs, but it sure did not exactly hurt, did it. And who of the big companies today, would be in business - did they not provide some means of accessibility. You've simply got to comply with that kind of requirement, if you want to succeed. Especially so, since local and International legal stuff sets certain standards that your product has to offer. If Microsoft for one, really had a free choice, would they even have invented Narrator? OK, perhaps they would. I am not the one who would know the answer, but you sometimes wonder. Because, if they really did include this screen reader out of a desire to make their product accessible, I would have thought it much cheaper - and far less resource demanding - to simply build your product the accessible way, from bottom and up. Why first spend untold resources in developing something inaccessible, only to then start having to figure a way of making it accessible afterwards. MS have known their code for Windows as an OS for three decades. Why is it not until now, we really see any movement of getting a screen reader that is more than just a mere toy-like feature of the software. Sure would have been nice, did all companies make their products accessible from the very beginning. But I guess the students do not even learn about accessibility, when they are tought programming or designing in school. And for most of them, they might not even bother, should the teacher try to mention that there are blind people on this
Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility
Well, let it be Narrator might eventually turn into something useful. And forebare with me, I have not tested anything later than Win8.1, so perhaps it is already getting into something basic. Google managed to have a somehow working screen reader, and what I hear, so did Apple. Still, I think very few people will agree, should we claim any of these even close to the standard of things like Jaws, Win-Eyes, and to a certain degree NVDA. For one thing, those screen readers that are included with the OS, lack a good deal of personalization capabilities. I am not aware you can built any kind of Scripts or add-ons to either of them. Besides, dreaming that Microsoft would let all be part of the OS, without charging their users; seem not too much to rely on, should we judge from history. OK, they could change their schemes, and very much welcome to do that. But look what they have done with Office. Sure, you don't have to pay them a check of a couple of hundred dollars, but rather they are going to feed at your credit card table every single month. In about two years, you have subscribe enough that you could have bought the full-fledged version. And did you buy, you could have camped with it for the next 5 or 10 years. My guess is, that you at the best will see MS coming out with a somehow working Narrator.And then, should you want it to perform anything much more than just read the screen to you, you will be offered to pay $19.95 a month; or, in case you want the Professional version with some basic scripting like Jaws - let's charge you $39.95 a month. I've been using Android for a little now, and have to say it is great to see the screen reader has improved over the last handful of years. Still, a simple thing like browsing the net, TalkBack lacks a whole lot. And, there are a few things that you might want to do on a computer, which you do not necessarily see fit on your small mobil device. Hence, whatever good the screen reader might be on your cellphone or tablet, will you please consider comparing your activity on these units, as well as your productivity - and then come back telling me these screen readers are to be compared with WinEyes for one. But if now, Google and Apple - both being really big industries, and even somehow passed by Microsoft in market sharing - has never got anything better than this, why would you expect Microsoft to be. As MS are loosing market, they doubtfully will put too much into a screen reader. After all, it is not the screen reader that will sell. On the other hand, as Google and Apple has climbed the ladder of the market, you would somehow have expected them to have invested more in their screen readers. What is it you think MS will be doing different? Sorry, I did not mean to be critical, or to put anyone down. I just meant to point out the realities of today. Business is business; and it is all about money. As the electronic devices have dropped in price, noone wants to pay 5 times the electronic price, for their software to be able to run the device. Meaning, the software industry cannot charge you a shirt, a jacket and five pairs of shoes -just to leave you the license for turning on your computer. Why we see more and more subscription-based products. Even now aday, the pricing of the Windows license soon will be higher than the price of buying just a brand new computer, with a somehow restricted license on it. Use it for two or three years, till the poor quality breaks, and then throw it away and go get yourself a new one. Or, like Office, make people pay you a fortune over the life-span of the product, by charging them that little each month, that they do not know you are draining their bank account. As an interesting side-track here, might I take the opportunity to tell you all something from locally? You know, some cellphone operators offer you a mid-range phone, for a quite reduced price. Only fish-hook of it all, you have to subscribe for a given service, for the next 24 months or something of that sort. Over here, the authorities have decided that when they advertise for this kind of products, they will have to show you the GRAND TOTAL, phone price and all the months subscription costs summed up. And they have to do this right there in the advertisement. When you sit down and look at it, it often turns out the deal is not good at all. You thought you got a cheap phone, and perhaps you did. But they knew to charge you the price-reduction and all interests plus a good deal more, through your *tiny* little monthly subscriptions. Will be interesting to see what happens to Narrator. Another thing of course is, that some rumors want it that Win10 is perhaps the last Windows version ever. And if so, do you think MS are going to spend too much on a product that will go down the drain anyway? Just some thoughts. David On 7/7/2019 5:39 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote: > I wonder if W-E would have
Re: Notepad Double Plus
ement. But I'm not really > sure what the benefit would be other than the fact that it's a > multi-document editor. > > I am able to use it with Window-Eyes. Although it is a bit funky. But > I only installed it to use as a Python editor for NVDA. So I haven't > plowed through all the options trying to get it to work optimally with > Window-Eyes. > > If you're looking for something between MS Word and Notepad there is > Jarte. It's basically an extended version of Wordpad that adds spell > checking and other features. And it is specifically designed with a > screen-reader support mode. I don't really use it all that much, so I > can't comment from the perspective of it being my main word processor. > > There are free and paid versions of it. I forget the difference now, > but here's the homepage. > http://www.jarte.com/?so=j=p=61 > > Hth, > Tom > > > On 7/1/2019 2:11 AM, David via Talk wrote: >> Does anyone here have any experience with the alternative Notepad >> program, named Notepad Plus Plus? >> >> >> I seem to remember users suggesting it for certain projects, back in >> time. I now decided to just give it a short go. Got it installed, and it >> opens just fine. WinEyes reads all the menus fine. >> >> >> But whenever I try to write something, things seem to jam. Sure, the >> text I am writing, does get spoken by the screen reader, since I have >> the key echo set to words. But if I try to arrow through the text, >> nothing happens. I can press the arrows as much as I want, WinEyes has >> gone for his coffee break. And if I try the Ctrl-Shift-W, to have the >> complete window read out, it reads the menu bar, but nothing of my >> entered text. >> >> >> Just wondering, is there any settings that needs be done - either in >> Notepad Double Plus, or in WinEyes? Is there any set file for this >> editor? Or, is this software accessible for blind usage at all? >> >> >> Thanks for any feedback. >> > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Notepad Double Plus
Does anyone here have any experience with the alternative Notepad program, named Notepad Plus Plus? I seem to remember users suggesting it for certain projects, back in time. I now decided to just give it a short go. Got it installed, and it opens just fine. WinEyes reads all the menus fine. But whenever I try to write something, things seem to jam. Sure, the text I am writing, does get spoken by the screen reader, since I have the key echo set to words. But if I try to arrow through the text, nothing happens. I can press the arrows as much as I want, WinEyes has gone for his coffee break. And if I try the Ctrl-Shift-W, to have the complete window read out, it reads the menu bar, but nothing of my entered text. Just wondering, is there any settings that needs be done - either in Notepad Double Plus, or in WinEyes? Is there any set file for this editor? Or, is this software accessible for blind usage at all? Thanks for any feedback. -- David ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
MS Office question
Anyone here has any experience, or know the rules? I am trying to get hold of a copy of MS Office, and thought I might save a few dollars, on buying one of the former versions. Got some offer here, for unopened and fully licensed versions, but got confused about their titles. One says Home and Student, the other reads Home and Business. Well, I am neither a student, nor a business owner. But since they both states Home, will it still be legal for me? Or, was there any other version that I should look out for? They are both Office 2010. Anyone knows when Microsoft would end support for that version, or maybe they have already done so? Finally, I got one more offer, this time for Office 2019. Would someone happen to know whether that version is accessible with WinEyes? Guess NVDA and Jaws are OK with 2019, but would hate to loose WinEyes functionality. Allright, I do know of the subscription versions of Office, but I really don't want that kind of ongoing expenses. Rather pay once, and you know what you've got. Subscribe, and next month - or next year - Microsoft decides to change something, and all the sudden you are lost, and have to spend days in figuring your way around the new features. Thanks for all feedback, that I can make the most informed decition. And please, since I am outside North-Americas, I was under the impression the Microsoft Assistance line would not be available for me. If I am mistaken, I'd be glad to know. -- David ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on
Oh, believe me, there are numerous cases where WinEyes is superior. Got several websites, besides some applications here, where NVDA simply won't catch up. And some of them, Jaws just doesn't work whatsoever on some of them. But to be fair, NVDA has helped me out on a few places, where WinEyes was of no help. And a month ago, I had to do some uninstallation of the Avast Antivirus, and the only help I could get, was the OCR feature of Jaws - which did the trick. In one case, I had to perform my net shopping by help of Android on my Mobil phone. No screen reader on the computer, would behave properly. More and more, we see cases where you need a number of tools in your toolbox. And to claim that one screen reader is the only good one, has long been a non-sense. So, let's enjoy the fact we have a number of alternatives, and let's rather learn which one will be the right one, in any given case. David On 6/30/2019 2:55 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: > There are things window-eyes still does better. On Amazon.com, for > example, n v d a doesn't show me the buy now button, where window-eyes > does. > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Sat, 29 Jun 2019, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote: > >> That's a shame, too, because I think window eyes is the best of them >> all. Pam. >> >> -Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk >> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 8:49 PM >> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Cc: Sky Mundell >> Subject: RE: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on >> >> Hello. I doubt Vispero will ever put the Window-Eyes code into the >> public so >> others can develop it. What I can say is that JAWS doesn't have much >> brain >> left. That means, they are running out of ideas now. >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk >> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 5:20 PM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. >> Subject: RE: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on >> >> Tom, based on the information you shared regarding NVDA scripting, I >> will >> give off every hair on my wee, small head to bring Window-Eyes back >> to live. >> I'm not a programmer, and, indeed, those Custom Control thingies always >> threw me off. On occasions, I succeeded in reclassifying most of >> them into >> Edit Box and got them to work. But, honestly, I knew not what I did! >> Window-Eyes just worked for me ... It did put food on my dining table, >> enabled me to advocate for myself, and also gave me a chance to interact >> with some of the most brilliant minds in this >> assistive/adaptive/accessible >> technology field. I get the same from Android presently; hence the >> reason >> why I want to DITCH WINDOWS and keep on running with my Shiny Android >> toys! >> >> >> Window-Eyes was murdered just because it ran circles around its >> grandiest >> enemies. How I wish the visionaries at GW Micro, Inc. had seen this >> coming! >> But alas, the human angle hardly ever sees what's going wrong until the >> pendulum swings and falls, splitting the brain in parts that fall >> below the >> deepest sea! >> >> No, if I can help it, I don't wish to play ball with Windows10! A >> complete >> divorce from Windows screen readers is what I seek; right now, legacy >> Windows apps used for work still hold me hostage to Windows. >> Hopefully, it >> won't be long before I can disentangle myself completely. >> >> I'm playing with an 11.5-inch Android tablet; it is a bit perplexing >> for me. >> Guess that's because of its real estate. A much bigger space on a >> touchscreen to deal with. Looks somewhat intimidating, but I am >> pretty sure >> I shall conquer it before long. I am planning on grabbing a 7-inch or >> 8-inch tablet to play with. With a tad smaller real estate, the >> intimidation should cease and a much larger tablet won't embarrass me >> much >> to much anymore. As I do this, I am watching all my Windows >> computers die >> so I can send them to their last place in the recycle dump. >> >> If somehow the Window-Eyes code finds its way back to where more >> brilliant >> minds can weave magic out of it, I'll be all ears! I also wish that, >> when >> Window-Eyes reincarnates, it can be ported over to Android and thus be a >> serious contender to Talkback, VoiceViews, VoiceAssistant, Shine and >> Commentary. I know I'm hallucinating, not just trying to dream of the >> impossible; but keeping hope alive is not yet a sin in my books! >> >> Again, Tom, thanks a ton for your invaluable insights. >> >> Sincerely, >> Olusegun >> Denver, Colorado >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options,
Re: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on
Though I too think it is sad to see WinEyes is going to go down the drain, we have to face the fact. Yet, some of you have promoted the idea, that someone, at some point of time, would get hold of the code, and then resurrect the screen reader. True, it is a mere dream. Likely that code might not even exist any longer, and would be so deeply loaded with restrictions and copyright, should it ever exist, that noone wants to touch it. Smiles. But, let\s for a moment do some dreaming. Is it really that easy? You just go and get hold of the code, and then you can sit down and continue such a project? Two things to be considered. The simplest first. When writing a program, you use something named a programming language. That is, you canot sit down and simply tell the computer: "Read to me" on one line, and on the next: "all the screen contant." You have to do maybe a hundred lines of coding, or more, to perform this rather "simple task". First of all, you need code to establish contact between your program, and the rest of the system. Then, you have to specify which of the many screens, or windows, that are currently opened on your computer, should actually talk to your program and provide its screen contents. Then, you have to let the computer know it has a speech synth installed, and which of its five voices you want contact with. And, you have to process the text that comes from the screen, to have it spoken the way that it all makes sense. For instance, if it is a list or table, you might have to let the screen reader do its reading one column at a time. You cannot just read from left to right - line by line. Finally, if you have passed all those hoops, you will have to let your screen reader interact with the controls on the screen, meaning yet another five hundred lines of coding. But you are a driven programmer, and have your clear ideas - so the job is done with a few hundred hours of writing, testing and modifying the code. You now have your code ready. It is readable - with more or less human words. But the computer does not understand human language. So you have to perform a translation, into a language that the computer can handle. This is named Compilation. The compiled version of your work, will be little - if any - comprehendable to a human. If you want to see what it looks like, here is the fun of your afternoon: Open any .exe file in your text editor, and enjoy the novel. If you don't know how to, let us know, and someone will instruct you how to do it. The first thing that someone - who would get the idea of continuing a software project would have to be aware of, is whether we can get hold of the program text code - the kind of human-languaged files; or if we only can get the compiled version. With only the compiled version, you will be very badly off. Hey, you might ask: With all the many coders, and decoders out there, doesn't there exist some kind of a decoder for this job? First, it would likely be illegal should such be the case, and secondly, it might not be possible. My teacher in college, many years back, gave this short answer when the question came up. "You can bake bread from grain, but you cannot grow grain from bread." Once the code has been compiled, it is available for the computer, and would make little sense to others. Second fact in our dream world, is the job of picking up where someone has left. You who have never programmed, let's do it all in an everyday example: Are you a parent? Have you ever had the experience of your child bringing her sewing - or knitting - project to you? "Mom, I don't understand what went wrong." And you, spent the rest of the hour, trying to figure why things went wrong. And perhaps you even tried to talk over with your daughter how she reached this point, hoping at least to grasp an idea of the thinking behind her actions. If you are no parent, have you tried to start up your computer, and tried to learn a new piece of software. What sense does it make, that you have to press Ctrl-X, to cut, and Ctrl-V to paste some text. There is no X in the word "cut", and to my knowledge you have no English word for pasting, that holds the letter V. OK, explain the logic. Tell how it all came around. Inform us please, what was the reasoning behind this set of keystrokes. In this particular example, you might be able to, but what about all the other keystrokes. Anyone happen to know the story behind why we have the at-sign in our email addresses? You would not be able to guess, but it has its real story. My point here is: If you should happen to get hold of the program code of the screen reader - which likely will hold hundreds of thousands (if not even millions) of lines of code - you likely will have come no way at all. Believe me, those who are used to programming, often call for Short, Simple examples of coding. To kind of figure why a
Re: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on
Well, there we are two. Would have been great with just one or two pointers in the right direction. Smiles. David On 6/28/2019 12:58 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: > Hello, > I am interested to know how you learned to code in python, and how you > managed to make the add-on. I want to learn to code myself, so if you have > any advice or resources, I'd greatly appreciate it. > Thanks, > Darrell > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Installing Win10
This one looks much better. Got to the site, and it seems it will let me download. Just got a find a drive with enough fre space. Smiles. Don't know what went wrong with your first link. Thanks, David On 6/23/2019 9:44 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: > Hi Tom, > > Here's a direct link to the talking windows pre-installation environment zip > archive itself, rather than the folder it resides in: > https://1drv.ms/u/s!AvkWQaterKGvg8wIfJ1uGvcA3MrUGg > If you sign in with your own Microsoft account on the page which opens > (meaning that you have to have a Microsoft account), the download should > begin. > > Good luck, > > Rod > > Sent from Outlook for Windows > > -Original Message- > From: Talk On > Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk > Sent: June 22, 2019 10:58 PM > To: Rod Hutton via Talk > Cc: Tom Kingston > Subject: Re: Installing Win10 > > Rod, > > Here's what I get with your link in Chrome. > This 1drv.ms page can’t be found > No webpage was found for the web address: https://1drv.ms/f/s HTTP ERROR 404 > > On 6/22/2019 10:39 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: >> Hi David, >> >> I am not able to give you a link to the specific file you require. >> Rather, the URL I gave is to the OneDrive folder containing the file. >> So, the URL I gave you would be the page displaying the folder contents, and >> so you would have to navigate the page and find the file you need, >> specifically: >> twpe_r2.zip >> This name on the page should represent as a link which, when pressed, would >> commence its download. >> If this doesn't work, I could try another file transfer method. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Rod >> >> Sent from Outlook for Windows >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> On Behalf Of David via Talk >> Sent: June 22, 2019 9:42 PM >> To: Rod Hutton via Talk >> Cc: David >> Subject: Re: Installing Win10 >> >> Rod, >> >> Thanks for your effort to help. >> >> >> Unfortunately, I wonder if the link you provided was broken, or >> incomplete. Tried to press Enter on it, and Firefox (my prefered >> browser) came up. It hang, and still something like 45 minutes later, >> nothing has happened. Normally, things should have started downloading, >> shouldn't they? >> >> >> Would you mind, please, checking your link, and letting me know if there is >> something further I need to do to get hold of the info? >> >> >> Thanks again, your help is great. Did not know there was an accessible >> way of installing Win7. Will come in handy for other times as well. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> David >> >> On 6/23/2019 2:43 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: >>> Hi David, >>> >>> Below is a link to my public OneDrive folder: >>> https://1drv.ms/f/s! >>> There you will find a zip archive containing disk images which you can burn >>> to DVD and a readme file. >>> Regardless which you burn, you can boot to a talking Windows 7 >>> pre-installation environment running NVDA using the Eloquence synthesizer. >>> If you burn the smaller image, you can at the very least explore the disks >>> attached on the booted system. >>> If you burn the larger image, you can even install Windows 7. >>> This might be enough to get the broken Windows 8 system you have running >>> with a fresh copy of Windows 7. >>> Incidentally, I used the larger image to install Windows 7 into a VMWare >>> Workstation virtual machine, and then I upgraded it to Windows 10. >>> But, that's another story. Smile >>> Of course, you would still need to activate whatever Windows version you >>> end up with, and so purchasing a product code is still necessary. >>> However, the tool I am offering might be of help to you or whoever reads >>> this. >>> >>> Good luck, >>> >>> Rod >>> >>> Sent from Outlook for Windows >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk >>> On Behalf >>> Of David via Talk >>> Sent: June 21, 2019 2:13 PM >>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Cc: David >>> Subject: Re: Installing Win10 >>> >>> Think I might have to stress a couple of points here, just to help you all >>> assisting me the better. Sorry for not being totally clear on this from the >>> start. >>> >>> First of all, I do have WE9.54 here, full installation CD, which I received >>> very few days be
Re: Installing Win10
Rod, Again, thanks for your attempt in helping out. I now have tried Internet Explorer, Chrome and Firefox. Firefox simply just opens and gets stuck on your link. Both Internet explorer and Chrome, informs me that the page cannot be found. Another user already described what Chrome gave for a message, and here I am pasting in the info from Internet Explorer, in case that would help out. It seems to me, the link you gave is rather short, and looks almost broken just from the format of it. Take a look at it, and you will notice there would simply not be enough characters in that link, to make sense this should be a personal site. Even many of Microsofts websites, or any other business for that matter, would be quite much longer. If this was all there was for characters in the link, my guess is that the system would have run out of addresses after the first 1000 users had their personal sites defined. From the messages in Chrome and IE, I get the idea that one out of two is the case here. Either your full link only is available for you, in person, when you are logged into the service. The link might be cut-off, once you try to copy it. Or, the service provides a link that is only available for a very short period of time. Have seen this on other services, where the links sometimes only are in existance for even as little as 5 minutes. Of course, it might be I will have to be a logged in user of the service you are using; but I am not. Rod, Thanks alot, but may you please see if you could use another service? Or, at least, would you mind pressing the enter-key, on the link you provided, the way it appears in your message? Will it open ffor you? Here is what IE tells me: Info icon The webpage cannot be found HTTP 404 Most likely causes: •There might be a typing error in the address. •If you clicked on a link, it may be out of date. David On 6/23/2019 4:58 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: > Rod, > > Here's what I get with your link in Chrome. > This 1drv.ms page can’t be found > No webpage was found for the web address: https://1drv.ms/f/s > HTTP ERROR 404 > > On 6/22/2019 10:39 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: >> Hi David, >> >> I am not able to give you a link to the specific file you require. >> Rather, the URL I gave is to the OneDrive folder containing the file. >> So, the URL I gave you would be the page displaying the folder >> contents, and so you would have to navigate the page and find the >> file you need, specifically: >> twpe_r2.zip >> This name on the page should represent as a link which, when pressed, >> would commence its download. >> If this doesn't work, I could try another file transfer method. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Rod >> >> Sent from Outlook for Windows >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> On Behalf >> Of David via Talk >> Sent: June 22, 2019 9:42 PM >> To: Rod Hutton via Talk >> Cc: David >> Subject: Re: Installing Win10 >> >> Rod, >> >> Thanks for your effort to help. >> >> >> Unfortunately, I wonder if the link you provided was broken, or >> incomplete. Tried to press Enter on it, and Firefox (my prefered >> browser) came up. It hang, and still something like 45 minutes >> later, nothing has happened. Normally, things should have started >> downloading, shouldn't they? >> >> >> Would you mind, please, checking your link, and letting me know if >> there is something further I need to do to get hold of the info? >> >> >> Thanks again, your help is great. Did not know there was an accessible >> way of installing Win7. Will come in handy for other times as well. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> David >> >> On 6/23/2019 2:43 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: >>> Hi David, >>> >>> Below is a link to my public OneDrive folder: >>> https://1drv.ms/f/s! >>> There you will find a zip archive containing disk images which you >>> can burn to DVD and a readme file. >>> Regardless which you burn, you can boot to a talking Windows 7 >>> pre-installation environment running NVDA using the Eloquence >>> synthesizer. >>> If you burn the smaller image, you can at the very least explore the >>> disks attached on the booted system. >>> If you burn the larger image, you can even install Windows 7. >>> This might be enough to get the broken Windows 8 system you have >>> running with a fresh copy of Windows 7. >>> Incidentally, I used the larger image to install Windows 7 into a >>> VMWare Workstation virtual machine, and then I upgraded it to >>> Windows 10. >>&
Re: Installing Win10
Rod, Thanks for your effort to help. Unfortunately, I wonder if the link you provided was broken, or incomplete. Tried to press Enter on it, and Firefox (my prefered browser) came up. It hang, and still something like 45 minutes later, nothing has happened. Normally, things should have started downloading, shouldn't they? Would you mind, please, checking your link, and letting me know if there is something further I need to do to get hold of the info? Thanks again, your help is great. Did not know there was an accessible way of installing Win7. Will come in handy for other times as well. Regards, David On 6/23/2019 2:43 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: > Hi David, > > Below is a link to my public OneDrive folder: > https://1drv.ms/f/s! > There you will find a zip archive containing disk images which you can burn > to DVD and a readme file. > Regardless which you burn, you can boot to a talking Windows 7 > pre-installation environment running NVDA using the Eloquence synthesizer. > If you burn the smaller image, you can at the very least explore the disks > attached on the booted system. > If you burn the larger image, you can even install Windows 7. > This might be enough to get the broken Windows 8 system you have running with > a fresh copy of Windows 7. > Incidentally, I used the larger image to install Windows 7 into a VMWare > Workstation virtual machine, and then I upgraded it to Windows 10. > But, that's another story. Smile > Of course, you would still need to activate whatever Windows version you end > up with, and so purchasing a product code is still necessary. > However, the tool I am offering might be of help to you or whoever reads this. > > Good luck, > > Rod > > Sent from Outlook for Windows > > -Original Message- > From: Talk On > Behalf Of David via Talk > Sent: June 21, 2019 2:13 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Cc: David > Subject: Re: Installing Win10 > > Think I might have to stress a couple of points here, just to help you all > assisting me the better. Sorry for not being totally clear on this from the > start. > > First of all, I do have WE9.54 here, full installation CD, which I received > very few days before WinEyes was all ditched. That is, it would be the latest > version ever. On that matter, I hence should be totally covered. > > My Win7 machine has 4GB of RAM, running a dual core 2.4GHZ CPU. I did try > running the Win10 upgrader on it, to see if it would work, and was told the > computer would work fine, but I would need some drivers. Going to the > manufacturer, Dell, I did find no driver for upgrading. Besides, I want to > keep the computer as an off-line backup system. It works just fine, and has > served here for more than a handful years, though it was second-hand when I > got it. > > So what then about the computer I am considering turning into Win10? It is an > HP, holding 8GB, and a Quadro CPU of something like 2.8GHZ - taken from > memory. It should have no trouble in meeting the minimum specs for RAM and > speed, though I do know nothing about drivers. Like I said, it did run > Win8.1, all till the OS got broken, through some maintaning upgrade. Since it > does not really start, just gets to a point where it tells me the Windows is > no longer valid, I will have to wipe the drive altogether, hence the computer > would be to consider as a "blank" system. In other words, updating the > windows on that machine, is not possible. And unless i can get Win10 on it, > my guess is that a quite working hardware might have to simply be thrown > away. Booting from the DVD drive on the computer should be little trouble, > since my memory tells me it is already set do do such booting. > > For both computers, they are laptops, so ideas like changing any hardware, is > no alternative. And should not give much for functionality. > > Again, thanks to all for your assistance. I am still all ears, if you have > further input to contribute. Great to hear I can do the installation of > Win10, without eyes. IPhone and apps for sighted assistance is not really an > option here, simply because I don't own any Apple stuff, and to get an IPhone > just for the benefit of installing a computer seem out of range. Smiles. I am > aware the option to have similar assistance over Android, but would greatly > appreciate doing the job as much as possible without depending on having more > or less knowledgeable eyes messing with the screen reading. Used to instal > computers back in the 90's, so am not totally new to the idea of getting the > job done - though Windows do pose certain challenges that we did not face > back then. smiles. > David > > On 6/21/2019 10:53 AM, Thomas N. Ch
Re: Installing Win10
Think I might have to stress a couple of points here, just to help you all assisting me the better. Sorry for not being totally clear on this from the start. First of all, I do have WE9.54 here, full installation CD, which I received very few days before WinEyes was all ditched. That is, it would be the latest version ever. On that matter, I hence should be totally covered. My Win7 machine has 4GB of RAM, running a dual core 2.4GHZ CPU. I did try running the Win10 upgrader on it, to see if it would work, and was told the computer would work fine, but I would need some drivers. Going to the manufacturer, Dell, I did find no driver for upgrading. Besides, I want to keep the computer as an off-line backup system. It works just fine, and has served here for more than a handful years, though it was second-hand when I got it. So what then about the computer I am considering turning into Win10? It is an HP, holding 8GB, and a Quadro CPU of something like 2.8GHZ - taken from memory. It should have no trouble in meeting the minimum specs for RAM and speed, though I do know nothing about drivers. Like I said, it did run Win8.1, all till the OS got broken, through some maintaning upgrade. Since it does not really start, just gets to a point where it tells me the Windows is no longer valid, I will have to wipe the drive altogether, hence the computer would be to consider as a "blank" system. In other words, updating the windows on that machine, is not possible. And unless i can get Win10 on it, my guess is that a quite working hardware might have to simply be thrown away. Booting from the DVD drive on the computer should be little trouble, since my memory tells me it is already set do do such booting. For both computers, they are laptops, so ideas like changing any hardware, is no alternative. And should not give much for functionality. Again, thanks to all for your assistance. I am still all ears, if you have further input to contribute. Great to hear I can do the installation of Win10, without eyes. IPhone and apps for sighted assistance is not really an option here, simply because I don't own any Apple stuff, and to get an IPhone just for the benefit of installing a computer seem out of range. Smiles. I am aware the option to have similar assistance over Android, but would greatly appreciate doing the job as much as possible without depending on having more or less knowledgeable eyes messing with the screen reading. Used to instal computers back in the 90's, so am not totally new to the idea of getting the job done - though Windows do pose certain challenges that we did not face back then. smiles. David On 6/21/2019 10:53 AM, Thomas N. Chan via Talk wrote: > For the win 8 upgrade to win 10, I really don't think it's a > authorise > upgrade since you don't really own a licence copy of win 8. > So upgrade path > is not applicable. You will get good deals if you > stick with win 10 home. I > am not sure where you can get good deal > online but I really did seen good > pricing on amazon, maybe bestbuy > etc. > > > regards > Thomas N. Chan -Original > Message- From: Talk > > [mailto:talk-bounces+thomas.nchan=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On > > Behalf Of James Bentley via Talk Sent: Friday, 21 June 2019 2:34 AM > To: > Window-Eyes Discussion List > <mailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Cc: > James > Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1...@att.net> Subject: Re: > Installing Win10 > > Hi David, > > You should be able to buy a legal copy of > Windows 10 from Amazon for > around twenty bucks less than what Microsoft > charges. > > Sometimes, you can find a legal recycled license from Ebay. > These > recy cled licenses can cost around thirty bucks. They just send you > the key and you go to the Microsoft web site to get your download. > Always buy from a dealer > > from Ebay who has loads of excellant reviews. > > Also, you might still be able to upgrade Windows 8.1 with an > authorized copy > > of Windows 10 at no cost. That is also downloaded from a Microsoft > server but, I will wait for more details if some one else can please > post about that. > > Good luck, > > James B > > > -Original Message- From: David via Talk Sent: Thursday, June > 20, 2019 1:07 PM To: WE English Mailinglist Cc: David Subject: > Installing Win10 > > To the tech guys on this list, > > In about 6 months Microsoft will end the support for Win7. My Good > old working-horse of a computer might then be retired to make it for > a backup system. > > > I do have a computer stored away in a closet, which has a broken > version of Win8.1 on it. That is, it does not start up, only presents > some kind of an e rror screen, informing me t
Installing Win10
To the tech guys on this list, In about 6 months Microsoft will end the support for Win7. My Good old working-horse of a computer might then be retired to make it for a backup system. I do have a computer stored away in a closet, which has a broken version of Win8.1 on it. That is, it does not start up, only presents some kind of an error screen, informing me the Windows is not a valid version. Was a computer I bought second-handed, and apparently the seller was no honest guy. Now, I wonder if I might go for a full version of Win10, and simply wipe out the old hard drive on that computer, and do a totally clean install of Win10. I would be buying the Win10, through the Microsoft store, and hence get a downloadable of the operative system. Never been using Win10, and only have paid half an ear to any discussion on the matter. But I seem to remember something about it being possible for a blind to install the OS all without eyes. Is that correct, and does it even apply when I will be doing a clean - all from scratch - installation? Could of course go and buy a brand new computer, but they tend to be loaded with all kinds of bloatware, over here. And the store I saw the other day, offering to install a clean win10 on their new systems, asked a price for the windows, about 20% more than what I see it advertised in Microsoft Store. Would then be a better business to get the broken win8 machine of mine going. Thanks for all input you can give me on the matter. I will not be doing my choice all at this time, but will be nice to know what to do, once the right time or offer comes up. -- David ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Remind Me Where app
For a good while, I have been enjoying the Remind Me Where app, developed by Chip. It really has helped me in getting to know my surroundings. Don't know, if any of the users still on this list, has any experience with this app. Today, I again needed some travelling directions. The app keeps throwing an error on me. Rquest denied, is all I can get from it. I did have some recent trouble with my WinEyes installation. Just wondering if it is my computer, The app, or Google that has got a headache. If anyone else on the list is using this app, could you please let me know if it works on your computer? Or, perhaps this is yet another plug that has been pulled. Would be too sad, though. Thanks to all, -- David ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: FW: Weather or not issue
As a friendly reminder, Please note that to my knowledge, all apps under WinEyes, will hold its dedicated Ini file. As a matter of fact, that is where it stores info about its hotkeys, and a few other basic settings for the app to work properly. In other words, was the app written properly, and especially if the developer took advantage of the programming tools provided by GW, there will always be an associated Ini file to any WinEyes App. Good news: The ini file will - again if the developer kept standard - hold the same name as the app itself. If you want the ini file for WeatherOrNot, find the file named WeatherOrNot.ini, and you are straight to the point. Three basic files will typically be found in your WinEyes Profile Folder, for any app you might have installed. And the fourth would be found, in any newer app's installation. 1. The .WEPM file, which is the actual installer for the app. It might be deleted, but then you are to get hold of it again, should you ever need a clean reinstallation. 2. The .VBS file, sometimes .VBSWECrypt.wsf (which is an encrypted version of the app), or it might be a .JS file, or the like. (Most developers used VBS files, so mainly fix your attention on such.) 3. The .INI file, associated with the app. In just about any case, this will have the same name as the app file itself. 4. An .XML file, which holds the info for the menus, and other user interface. Again, just about without exception, it will have a name corresponding to the app's main file. Older apps, might not necessarily stick to this standard, but most common apps were updated to adhere to the basics outlined by GW, before the whole screen reader was put on the backshelf. If you run the WEPM installer for the actual app, you will see a list of which files it installs by default. A few apps, would hold several .INI and .XML files, and some apps might even generate files on their own, through runtime. In such cases, the additional files might have names, and extensions, that would not necessarily easily be identified to correspond to the actual app name. Even a few apps, might generate whole subfolders under your WE Profile, which might be mandatory for the app to run. But we are then talking about the more heavy and advanced apps. A simple app like WeatherOrNot, will only hold the basic files. In cases, where you want to copy an installation from one computer to the other, or from one user profile to another, you might want to make sure you copy all the implied files, since that would ensure the most sufficient running of your copied version. Glad the initial thread starter got his issue solved.And glad to see my rather lengthy dealing with the matter - a few months back - still lingers, and might be useful. Regards, David David On 5/24/2019 10:25 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: > Hi Mike, > > My pleasure. Glad I could help. Smile. > > All the best, > > Rod > > Sent from Outlook for Windows > > -Original Message- > From: Talk On Behalf Of Mike via Talk > Sent: May 24, 2019 4:05 PM > To: Rod Hutton via Talk > Cc: Mike > Subject: Re: FW: Weather or not issue > > Hello Rod > > > I shall keep this for future use. However, I confess, on this occasion I have taken the easy way out. As Weatherornot was working on my laptop I have just copied the .ini across. It is now working fine. However, it is thanks to the forwarded message that I was able to find the .ini file. > > > With thanks and best wishes > > > Mike. > > On 24/05/2019 12:25, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: >> Hi Mike, >> >> Here's a forward of a post a few months back which should help you out. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Rod >> >> Sent from Outlook for Windows >> >> -Original Message- >> From: David >> Sent: February 3, 2019 5:58 PM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Cc: Rod Hutton >> Subject: Re: Weather or not issue >> >> OK, guys. >> This, is going to be a rather long message, so work your way through. >> I will try to share my findings on the issue you are having, with the WeatherOrNot app. These are based on some fooling around, and quick searchings on the net, so take them for what they are worth. I do have no clue exactly where, how or what the Weather app extracts its info, so you will have to do your own playing around. But when I tried the following steps, it at least gave me some results. Smiles. >> >> As someone suggested, please make it a habit of backing up any file before you modify it at all. >> >> OK, the first thing we need to know, is the Longitude and Latitude coordinates, in a decimal format, for the city or place you are trying to add. I did try a few webpages, and here is one that I found to be fairly easy to operate with WinEyes: >> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww. >> latlong.net%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C8a283489a4da44dc0be708d6e08331b4% >>
Filling in a PDF form
Listers, I am in a situation where I need a bit of feedback and experience. I have got a pDF document here, which in reallity is a form that needs to be filled in, and then printed for maioling in the post. I have Adobe DC installed on my computer, besides the last version of Firefox that was useful for WinEyes. Further both Google Chrome and Internet Explorer. Running under Win7Pro. For screen readers, I do have latest WinEyes, NVDA and Jaws 18. I did open the PDF file in Adobe, and have no problem in reading the text. Yet, how do I get about filling it in? I tried to turn off browse mode, and tab around, but got absolutely no feedback, and couldn't seem to do anything further with the document. Is there a particular technique to fill in PDF forms? Is any of the screen readers I have available, or any of the software mentioned to be prefered for the job? Or, is there any other software that I could use for the job? Well, after all, is it even possible for a blind user to fill in electronic documents of this kind? A long time ago, I did ask a person in the office that provides the PDF form, and he stubbornly claimed it would be possible for a blind to tab around, when filling in the form. Yet, I do not know how he got it all to work. So, if any of you, would happen to have done such a fill in, I would greatly aprreciate any feedback on the matter. Thanks a whole lot. -- David ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Safe Mode
Listers, I could use some feedback here, please. Got a program that needs to run in Safe Mode. Being an uninstaller, it cannot be run in standard mode under Windows. When I try, it just tells me to click Yes, and it will restart Windows in Safe Mode. Sure, I clicked Yes, and the computer seemed to restart. At least I heard the Windows closing sound, and the fan dropped in speed. After a couple of minutes, nothing for a sound was heard. Am I mistaken, or should it be possible to set up Window-Eyes to run when Windows is in Safe Mode? Has anyone any experience on the matter? And, could please someone give me some step-instructions how to do the job? I sure tried to press the Alt-Ctrl-W combination, but nothing happened. Apparently my WE is not properly set up for safe Mode, or something else failed. For your info, am running Win7Pro 64Bit, and latest version of WE. If not WE can be used in Safe Mode, does anyone know if NVDA, or Jaws 18 could be an alternative? Any feedback is warmly welcome. Thanks, -- David ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Using O C R to read text from a Jpeg
One service which is worth giving a try, is the RoboBraille.dk. David On 4/3/2019 7:02 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: > Donald, > > > Why don't you just try putting it through the process and tell us what > happened? Or, maybe you have already don so? > > > You never know with 'puters, experience tells us, but there really > should be no difference. After all, the .PDFs are often nothing but > images in series, as far as I know anyway. And considering where when > the .PDF is Primarily text that scanning isn't necessary, than an > image file rather it be a .JPG, or a graphic .PDF should make no > difference. But just run it through the process and see what happens. > > > I went looking for a .JPG to give it a try myself, but don't have any > on my hard drive at present. > > > > On 4/3/2019 10:13 AM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote: >> An acquaintance sent me a Jpeg which contained text she wanted me to >> read. I know how to O C R other files containing images of text, but >> isn't the process different if it is a Jpeg rather than something >> like a PDF? >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> Don Roberts >> >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22%40comcast.net. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Weather or not issue
OK, perhaps I did not deal with one question, so let me just add on the following. How Will A Website Know The Coordinates Of Your Town? Could be many ways. Maybe they have collected some coordinates from mapping services in different countries. Or, they could ask their users to provide coordinates. Say you are out driving. When you stop at a local restaurant, you enjoy the food very much. You then would go to some kind of rating website. Here you enter the coordinates for the city, and you have added to a database of coordinates for that city. Likewise, probably you found the small village really cozy and beautiful. You now would log on to a mapping service, like the one I pointed you to, and make sure the coordinates from your GPS, or other services on your cellphone, will be registered for that nice place. If thousands, millions or even a couple of billion people do this, and given the website provider has a big enough server, in time the database will grow into most places on earth. At least the populated, and traficated parts of the globe. Even when you participate in different services, like weather measurement, you might be asked your positioning coordinates. Who knows, maybe some of the different service providers exchange coordinate databases, thereby increasing the total amount of places registered. And the accuracy of coordinates for each town. Google, for one, will have collected millions of coordinates. A guess could be, that you might be able to buy databases from them, to get the charts for given areas. Guess and fantasize as you want. Smiles. If you do a web search for a term like: New York USA longitude latitude , or replace the city with your own, you will find yourself presented with numerous services providing you the coordinates. Some of the services might be paid-for, others are free for private usage. And still others, will provide what is name an API, which is an interface for you to implement into your own service. The WeatherOrNot app, will from originally, have taken your city name, and gone to such an API service, retrieving the coordinates. It then will have stored them in the ini file. For who knows what reason, the communication between the app and the API, seem to have been halted or even discontinued. Was it because a subscription was not renewed, the API changed the way it should be accessed, or simply an agreement that came to its final - well why bother speculating. Next, the Weather app, will take these coordinates, and bring them to some API for retrieving weather info for that specific place. A quick search for such an API, in case you could build a "new" version of the WeatherOrNot app, gave me the info that wunderground does offer such an API. I do not know what the license for such a service includes, nor to what extent it will be a matter of economic funding. And likely you can get some other services from other providers. Any programmer that wants something to fill his day, there you have a project for your enjoyment. Smiles. David On 2/4/2019 6:33 PM, David via Talk wrote: > Larry and the resst, > I will spend a few minutes of your time, attempting to answer the > question of yours, the way I understood your asking. > > How come, that every place on earth, can be refered to by a set of > coordinates? > > First of all, we need to understand the terms Longitude, and Latitude. > Are you a former sighted person, or still have a certain amount of > eye-sight to lean on, this might be basic for you. For those of you who > grew up with no sight, geography might be one of the classes where > things sometimes got a bit too simplified. So let's take a moment to > explain the two terms. > > Imagine the earth, being a fruit, like an orange. You know, if you peel > an orange, the inner fruit will consist of several wedges. Where all the > wedges meet, on top, and in the bottom of the fruit - is where the poles > are; North on top, South-pole (or Antartica) in the bottom. The lines > between the individual wedges, which runs from one pole to the other, > would now be your Longitudes. The fruit only holds a few longitudes, > whereas the Earth has been divided into 360 longitudes. To make things > easier for all who navigate, the longitude that runs through Greenwich - > which I do hold is located in the UK - has been defined as Longitude 0. > Any longitudes to the West (or left on the map), will have a negative > longitude value. Any longitude to the East (or right) of the Greenwich, > will be a positive longitude. When you, at the strict opposite side of > the globe, have the positives and negatives meet, you are standing on > the 180th longitude. By the way, that particular longitude - 180 - will > also be known as the Date-line. This due to the fact, that is where the > 24-hour day has been defined by human wisdom, to wrap.
Re: Weather or not issue
Of course, if anyone could provide a sample file, it would be fine. As things stands, once you install the app, it will create its basic ini file. That is, it will set up its hotkeys. And the hotkeys, are the only part of the ini file, that I did not already cover in my description. All the rest of the file, however long it is, will be one or more locations, added as I described. In the Locations section, you need one location line holding the label and coordinates for each place you want included. You need one section, holding all settings, for each location. Following the steps outlined, you do not really need anything from anywhere else, but what the app already has set up for you. The rest will be for you to enter manually. Try opening your user profile folder, find the WeatherOrNot.ini file, and add on the lines in my earlier message. You will immediately get the weather conditions for the city of Toronto, Ontario in Canada. The example was, for the reason of being comprehendable, a real-life example. Again, should anyone want a copy of an already working ini file, let me know, and I could email it to you. Or, someone could put it on their dropbox or the like. Just you won't find any further secrets in there, except from what you already have. David On 2/4/2019 2:48 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: > I could put up my weather ini file if that would help. Mine has 3 > cities in it, but you could likely edit it. > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Sun, 3 Feb 2019, Amanda Lee via Talk wrote: > >> Thanks for this. I don't have a .ini from a prior installation just >> yet. I can follow this syntax just fine though and appreciate your >> being so thoughtful as to how to code these entries. I fortunately >> do have some of the coordinates for the points of interest I want to >> follow and thanks for sharing a more accessible site as well. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Amanda Lee >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> On >> Behalf Of David via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 5:58 PM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Cc: David >> Subject: Re: Weather or not issue >> >> OK, guys. >> This, is going to be a rather long message, so work your way through. >> I will try to share my findings on the issue you are having, with the >> WeatherOrNot app. These are based on some fooling around, and quick >> searchings on the net, so take them for what they are worth. I do >> have no clue exactly where, how or what the Weather app extracts its >> info, so you will have to do your own playing around. But when I >> tried the following steps, it at least gave me some results. Smiles. >> >> As someone suggested, please make it a habit of backing up any file >> before you modify it at all. >> >> OK, the first thing we need to know, is the Longitude and Latitude >> coordinates, in a decimal format, for the city or place you are >> trying to add. I did try a few webpages, and here is one that I found >> to be fairly easy to operate with WinEyes: >> https://www.latlong.net/ >> >> When opening the page, go to the first Edit box, and here enter your >> city. Like: >> Toronto, On >> for finding the city of Toronto in the province of Ontario, in Canada. >> Once you have typed your info, hit the Enter key. >> Please note, it seems that you will have to manually turn back on >> Browse Mode here. >> >> The page will now come up with its results. If it found the exact >> city or place, it will give you two edit boxes, right beneath the >> Find-button on the page. They will hold the necessary numbers, for >> the Longitude and Latitude. Copy and paste them into your ini file, >> as will be described below. >> >> In a few cases, I noticed the page came up with more than one choice >> for the city. They then were presented in a table, with a link for >> each city. You would simply choose the wanted link, hit Enter, and go >> to the text line, that gives you the coordinates. Copy and paste the >> given info into your ini file. >> >> How To Modify The Ini File? >> Now that we have found the needed info to direct the app, let's get >> to the real job. And, yes, it is a bit of typing to be done. We will >> go by it, step by step. >> >> First, open your WE control panel, and hit Alt-F, followed by the >> letter E. The user profile folder will open. >> >> Keep pressing the W, til you get to the file named: >> WeatherOrNot.ini >> , and hit Enter on it. It should open in something like Notepad. >>
Re: Weather or not issue
positioning could we be? Well, basically it all depends on how exact our measuring equipment is. If you told the distance between two latitude belts to be something like 70 miles, or 112km, you could decide to only split that distance into 10 steps, and you only would need one decimal digit in your coordinat values. The backside of such few steps between each major line, would of course be a rather lacking accuracy in your telling where to find your treasure. With modern GPS and other navigation equipment, we are able to define even down to the ten thousandth step between each longitude as well as between each latitude. With such keen accuracy, we are able to get quite exactly to the point where we are located. With GPS - which slightly differs in their values, you can even get to the very address of any house or building on earth. Comes to our craving to know the weather condition in a city, we might not bother too much accuracy. As a matter of fact, I discovered that the WeatherOrNot app originally only had four decimals in its value, whereas the website I pointed you to, gives us values of 5 decimals. This difference matters little, when all we want to know, is the weather conditions in a given area. Simplifying it all, what if 4 decimals would give us the outer boarders of our town, whereas the 5 decimals will narrow it down to whether you are in the north, or in the western part of the town. For most villages and towns, it would have no impact on the info we are looking for. Even for the biggest cities, it might not be too much to bother, since the weather measurements we are receiving, might have been taken a totally different place in town, from where you sit at the moment. Weather conditions might be given specifically, or as an average of all the measurements reported for that city. It all will depend on exactly what weather service the app retrieves its info from. Just to round it all up, As modern technology develops, more and more decimals can be added to your positioning coordinate values - meaning smaller and smaller steps can be measured. It is not unlikely that you already would be able to give a quite accurate coordinate, for each room of your house. Just imagine that your bedroom is one decimal place closer to Equator, and that might be why you feel so warm and comfie in bed. Hahaha. Might sound like a joke, but reality is that given the right equipment, it is not totaly a dream to have such exact measurements. OK then, to what extent it will affect the temperature of your room, was a mere joke. Larry, I hope this helped you a bit. On the website I refered you to, they have a bit more info on the coordinates. And if you want even more details, try looking up online dictionaries, on the terms of Longitudes and Latitudes. David On 2/4/2019 4:11 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: > Butch, > > > I for one would appreciate seeing your weather.ini file. > > > Sorry David, I haven't yet had time to look at your instructions, but > plan to do so. > > > I find it kind of interesting that if one fills in the zip code of a > particular location, that it equates to the longitude or latitude of a > particular city > > . Any ideas as to how this works, or is this a big "duh" on my part > > Thanks so much though for your help from I'm sure all of us who wish > to continue using this handy little app. > > > Larry > > On 2/4/2019 7:48 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: >> I could put up my weather ini file if that would help. Mine has 3 >> cities in it, but you could likely edit it. >> 73 >> Butch >> WA0VJR >> Node 3148 >> Wallace, ks. >> >> >> On Sun, 3 Feb 2019, Amanda Lee via Talk wrote: >> >>> Thanks for this. I don't have a .ini from a prior installation just >>> yet. I can follow this syntax just fine though and appreciate your >>> being so thoughtful as to how to code these entries. I fortunately >>> do have some of the coordinates for the points of interest I want to >>> follow and thanks for sharing a more accessible site as well. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Amanda Lee >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk >>> >>> On Behalf Of David via Talk >>> Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 5:58 PM >>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Cc: David >>> Subject: Re: Weather or not issue >>> >>> OK, guys. >>> This, is going to be a rather long message, so work your way through. >>> I will try to share my findings on the issue you are having, with >>> the WeatherOrNot app. These are based on some fooling around, and >>> quick searchings on the net, so take them for what
Re: Weather or not issue
OK, guys. This, is going to be a rather long message, so work your way through. I will try to share my findings on the issue you are having, with the WeatherOrNot app. These are based on some fooling around, and quick searchings on the net, so take them for what they are worth. I do have no clue exactly where, how or what the Weather app extracts its info, so you will have to do your own playing around. But when I tried the following steps, it at least gave me some results. Smiles. As someone suggested, please make it a habit of backing up any file before you modify it at all. OK, the first thing we need to know, is the Longitude and Latitude coordinates, in a decimal format, for the city or place you are trying to add. I did try a few webpages, and here is one that I found to be fairly easy to operate with WinEyes: https://www.latlong.net/ When opening the page, go to the first Edit box, and here enter your city. Like: Toronto, On for finding the city of Toronto in the province of Ontario, in Canada. Once you have typed your info, hit the Enter key. Please note, it seems that you will have to manually turn back on Browse Mode here. The page will now come up with its results. If it found the exact city or place, it will give you two edit boxes, right beneath the Find-button on the page. They will hold the necessary numbers, for the Longitude and Latitude. Copy and paste them into your ini file, as will be described below. In a few cases, I noticed the page came up with more than one choice for the city. They then were presented in a table, with a link for each city. You would simply choose the wanted link, hit Enter, and go to the text line, that gives you the coordinates. Copy and paste the given info into your ini file. How To Modify The Ini File? Now that we have found the needed info to direct the app, let's get to the real job. And, yes, it is a bit of typing to be done. We will go by it, step by step. First, open your WE control panel, and hit Alt-F, followed by the letter E. The user profile folder will open. Keep pressing the W, til you get to the file named: WeatherOrNot.ini , and hit Enter on it. It should open in something like Notepad. Please note, from here, it will be good to have your synth spell out all punctuations, and even Upper- and Lower-cased characters, as they are all important. In the ini file, scroll down to the line that reads [Locations] . Do NOT modify this line. Hit the End-key, to go to the end of the line, and then Hit Enter. You now have a blank line for entering your personalized info. What the app wants here, is a section name, for your new location. To keep our above example rolling, enter the following line. Or, modify it to your personal location: Toronto, Ontario=43.651890, -79.381710 . To break this line down, please note: To the left of the Equals sign, we give the app the name of the location we are entering. It doesn't really matter what name you give it, long as you keep track of the exact name and spelling - as we will be using it in a moment. Behind the Equal sign, we give the two coordinates, as copied from the website. First the Latitude, followed by a Comma, A space character, and then the Longitude value. No other info, no other punctuation. The coordinates should be given in positive or negative values, exactly copied from the website. Once this Location line has been established, we are ready to move on to the next modification of the ini file. Move yourself to the bottom of the file, by hitting Ctrl-end. You now will have to enter a section, holding the actual settings for your new location. this section, it is, that controls how and what info the app will read to you. A section, always starts out with a header. That is, a line enclosed in brackets. The header, should be an exact copy of the info you entered to the left of the Equal sign, in your location line. It is case, and character sensitive, so make sure you get an one-by-one copy of your location line. In our example, it will look like this: [Toronto, ontario] . Press Enter when you are done. Now that we have established the section, it is time to set it all up. The section should hold four fields. They are placed on individual lines, their name spelled all in lower-cases, and ends with an Equal sign, and your wanted setting. Lets get to them one by one. name= Here enter the name of the location, that you want read out to you, whenever you press the hotkey. It could be the city name, or some kind of an alias - like home, work, grandma's place, or whatever. Our example line could be: name=Toronto or, Name=Big city of Canada. Please note, that you can use a mix of upper- and lower-cased characters, along with normal punctuation (except from the Equal sign), or even numbers - in your string here. temp= Behind the Equal sign, enter a lower-cased c, for Celcius; or a lowercased f, for having the
Re: Mail Client
Nice try, but in Thunderbird, even when writing this reply, it does give no result. That is, Ctrl-Insert-C, tells me: No Cursor Found. I can write the message, and the speech will echo my typing. If i Backspace, I can hear one character at a time, as they are deleted. But any use of the Arrows, or things like Ctrl-Home, Ctrl-End - yields no speech at all. That is even if the cursor actually moves. Have tried the Ctrl-S, for saving the message - like someone suggested. No help there either. Strange why some reports they have no trouble with the newest Thunderbird. Unless it has to do with the fact that I am still running under Win7, and likely will be for yet a while. David On 12/21/2018 1:34 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: > Another thing you can try is Control+Insert+C. This makes Window-Eyes > search for the cursor. It will usually say either "uses system cursor" > or "no cursor found." > Regards, > Tom > > > On 12/21/2018 4:19 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: >> Thanks Bob, yeah, similar issues - fortunately my Thunderbird contains >> spell check (I thinkit's Thunderbird which provides the spell check, but >> who knows). What stinks is, if I leave the composing window, I won't >> know where I am in the e-mail. I have to assume the cursor is where I >> left it. >> >> On 12/20/2018 9:38 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote: >>> Nick, >>> >>> I am using windows 10, win-eyes 9.5.4., and WLM. The same thing has >>> been >>> happening to me. It didn't used to do this. It started happening all of >>> a sudden for no apparent reason. >>> >>> If I bring up WLM, I can write an email and see what I am writing. >>> after >>> that, while writing the 2nd email, I can't see or hear what I am >>> writing. >>> >>> I have to close WLM and thenn open it. Then I can see what I am >>> writing. >>> But again, only the first email. Then have to close and re-open WLM >>> again. >>> >>> -Bob >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk >>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 5:44 PM >>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Cc: Nick Sarames >>> Subject: Re: Mail Client >>> >>> If anyone has a solution to the arrow problem I have, you are >>> welcome to >>> e-mail me privately: >>> >>> nicksara...@msn.com >>> >>> When I am composing a message, I am unable to read what I have just >>> written. >>> >>> On 12/20/2018 9:01 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: >>>> I'm not sure just how much I've ultimately got to add here, but I must >>>> at least say this. >>>> >>>> >>>> My version of Thunderbird updated on me without either permission or >>>> encouragement. Naturally I did a double-take and hoped and prayed that >>>> my ability to edit would continue, and with my good luck or divine >>>> intervention, it continued to function as it should. >>>> >>>> >>>> One thing that really annoys me is that every time I go to open up the >>>> program, it takes an eternity to load and otherwise settle down. I was >>>> told that I should remove all add ons, but the only one I have is the >>>> spellchecker, and removing that didn't help either, but I wasn't going >>>> to go without that one anyway. >>>> >>>> >>>> I said all that only to say that I haven't encountered the editing >>>> problem at all, up to this point anyway - knock on wood. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/20/2018 6:15 AM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote: >>>>> On this Windows 7 machine I am still using Windows Live Mail 2012. >>>>> I'm >>>>> not sure where you can get it. You would need the SET files and apps >>>>> that GW developed for it. It has its quirks, but works well for me. >>>>> You may want to work with Thunderbird and NVDA, but I have no >>>>> experience with that combination. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD >>>>> http://lras.home.sprynet.com >>>>> -Original Message- From: David via Talk >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 3:02 AM >>>>> To: WE English Mailinglist >>>>> Cc: David >>>>> Subject: Mail Client >>>>> >>>>> Listers, >>>>> >
Mail Client
Listers, Could need a bit of info here. As you know, the latest updates to Thunderbird, have broken the accessibility when writing new messages, as well as replying to any message received. Seeing how they slowly broke down any cooperation with WE in Firefox, I do take the guess, this is just the beginning of the end for our ability to use Thunderbird along with WinEyes. I do cling to my WinEyes, among other things, due to the fact that it is the only screen reader that to a certain extent works with some websites I am relying on. Like for instance our local grocery store, where neither NVDA or Jaws will let me do my shopping properly. Only good old WinEyes. Anyway, I want to have a backup for my mailing activity, the day when Mozilla finally pulls the plug for WinEyes and Thunderbird. What alternatives do we have, now adays? I know some of you have mentioned Becky. Is that the only one? Outlook, OK, but that demands me running Office - and does it work with all versions of office? Should I decide to go for things like Becky, will there be a steep learning curve? And will there be any particular settings or twixings to be done in my screen reader? Any feedback you might have, I am open ears. If you have some idea as to the functionality with any of the other screen readers, along with a given mail client, I want to know your experiences. Would be great, could I find a mail client, which worked with whichever screen reader i happen to have up running at any time. Oh, and two more questions: Where to get the client you might suggest? And is it for free, Annual payment, or Lifetime priced? Thanks alot, all of you. -- David ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: my set files changed.
Jst for the fun, in all this playing around, did you try restarting your computer? Have seen a few cases, where some behavior sticks, and once the computer has been restarted, things work normally again. Just be aware, I am talking about a real restart, not just going in and out of sleeping or hibernation mode. Worth to keep in mind, should you run into a similar case later on. David On 12/2/2018 2:46 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: > Very strange. But I'm glad you were able to get it back in line. > Regards, > Tom > > > On 12/2/2018 2:36 AM, net bat via Talk wrote: >> i re installed the wineyes and global factory set files with no >> change. then i copied my backup default folder from 2 days ago and it >> is working now. >> thanks. >> >> -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk >> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2018 9:21 PM >> To: net bat via Talk >> Cc: Tom Kingston >> Subject: Re: my set files changed. >> >> Very strange; especially be it that you can change it and it works and >> when you change it back to Insert+T it speaks the title. >> Just for the heck of it I'd try turning apps off. If that doesn't work >> I'd try assigning Insert+T to something else and see if it works there. >> Good luck, >> Tom >> >> >> On 12/1/2018 10:16 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: >>> nope, this didn't make any difference. >>> the time date hot keys are set to global andinsert t. >>> but they are doing the same thing as the control shift t keys for >>> program titles. >>> i did find out if i change the time and date hot keys to other keys >>> it will work and when i oput it back to insert t it speaks the >>> program title again. there were no warnings that another hot key was >>> assigned when i put it back. >>> >>> -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk >>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2018 6:47 PM >>> To: net bat via Talk >>> Cc: Tom Kingston >>> Subject: Re: my set files changed. >>> >>> Check the Keyboard > Layouts and make sure it's set to Window-Eyes >>> defaults. There were also some JAWS and I think other keyboard layouts >>> included in a script with hot keys to turn them on, which I did exactly >>> once by accident before uninstalling those scripts. >>> This is why I uninstall all scripts I'm never going to use. >>> Hth, >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> On 12/1/2018 9:17 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: this is a weerrd one. w e the last version. all of a sudden, when i press insert t to get the time it is saying default normal instead. i didn't make any changes to any of the set files. it is doing this when running any program. in the hot keys/miscelanious menu it is defined as insert t. figure this out. rebooting the computer did not make any difference. i hope i don't have to reset the factory set files. thanks ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >>> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. >>> >>> >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >>> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. >>> >>> >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. >> >> >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >>
Re: Browse Mode In Chrome
using Win7 64Bit, and Chrome worked right out of the box. With Chrome.set, works just fine. That is, if you accept Chrome's way of displaying websites. David On 11/19/2018 10:08 PM, Tom via Talk wrote: > Does browse mode work in Google Chrome and Windows Seven? > > Thanks, > > Tom > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: w e sounds
The progress bar sounds, are not directly WinEyes sounds, why you won't find them in the ProgromFiles folder. Rather, they are part of the Progress Indicator app, and hence will be found in the User profile folder, which you will find this way. Go to the WE Control Panel, by hitting Ctrl-Backslash. Open the File menu, by Alt-F. Hit the letter E, to explore the User Profile folder. Once the folder opens, may you hit the letter P, to jump down to the right section. You should here find a long list of Wav files, which are attached to the Progress indicator app. To save you all the hazzle, chances are high that the sounds are all there. Yet you might have accidentially changed some setting in the app. Either you could reinstall, or better, do as follow. Again, open the WE Control Panel. Hit Alt-A, to bring up the App menu. Now hit the P, to get to Progress Indicator, and if necessary expand it by Right-Arrow. Here you should find a settings entry, and you simply hit Enter on that one. Now tab your way through the different settings, and see if any of that will help you. Guess why noone told you all of this first hand, is that you indicated the loss of WE Sounds, without specifying which sounds you had in mind. Just a reminder for us all, to be as specific as possible, when asking. Gives the helper so much more of a chance in helping. Smiles. On 9/18/2018 4:31 PM, peter Chin via Talk wrote: > Hello All, > > I still have all my WE sounds except my progress bar sounds despite > following all instructions to the letter. I checked in the WE Appdata > folder and the sound are all there and work if you press enter on > them. However, I get no sounds when copying or downloading files > except for an occasional beep or two. It din't use to be like that. > > Mine is a 32-bit Windows 8.1 machine with the latest Wineyes. Any > ideas anyone? > > -Original Message- From: Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 12:05 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Cc: Orlando Enrique Fiol > Subject: Re: w e sounds > > At 11:47 PM 9/12/2018, geodom--- via Talk wrote: >> I have lost most of my window eyes sounds, too, again. How do I do > this? Pam. > > If you can reinstall Window-eyes, you'll get your sounds back. > Otherwise, I could email them to you as attachments. > > Orlando Enrique Fiol > Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory > University of Pennsylvania > Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer > and Pedagogue > Home: (980) 585-1516 > Mobile: (267) 971-7090 > Email: of...@verizon.net > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/peter.chinpk%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
NoScript for Firefox
OK, we all know Win-Eyes has had trouble with the standard version of newer updates to Firefox. For a long time, I have had the ESR version running here, and let it update itself, to receive the newest fixes. everything has been in best order. that is, two days ago, I received a new update. This time though, Firefox updated itself to the latest ESR - which is something like 62. Poof. This meant that all the certain my WinEyes no longer works with Firefox. Even Jaws 18, strikes and tells me it cannot do anything. NVDA works fine with the new installation. Looking through the archives on Mozillas FTP, I was abel to download and install a version of the 52.9ESR - which seems to be the latest ESR that WinEyes would work with. Yet, I have no clue if it is holding all the latest fixes of that version. And letting it update, I am thinking maybe it just will go way up to newest release, and be back to non-usable states. Worse, through all the updating process, my NoScript addon got updated as well. And now, that I have reversed back to the older version of Firefox, the updated version of NoScript is no longer valid. Would anyone happen to have the latest version of NoScript that works with Firefox ESR that is compatible with WinEyes? Even, if any of you have the latest updated fixes for Firefox that worked with our screen reader installed, Would you have a chance to zip up your Firefox folder under Program Files X86, and send it to me? Guess that is where the updates are stored, and so I could make sure things would be as updated as possible here. :) Any other workaround, I am all ears. Thanks, listers. -- ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: strange message popping up
Won't know what this message is all about, so can't help you directly. Still, I wanted to let you know, that I find NVDA generally is good at picking up dialogs. So, if possible, whenever the dialog comes up, try loading NVDA, and switch to the dialog. See if it will read the screen to you. Going by memory, I wonder if Insert-B, would read the whole screen to you. Again by memory, I think that works in both NVDA and Jaws. Hope you get the meaning of the dialog, and can take care of your issue. On 9/3/2018 3:22 PM, BK via Talk wrote: > Hello, I keep getting a message that wants to update something on my > laptop. The message pops up and gives me these choices, "Let's get back > on track. Restart now. Wait an hour." > If anything else is in the dialog, Jaws won't read it, so I have no idea > where this message is coming from. Does anyone know if this is a windows > 10 update, or what? Any help is appreciated. > > Butch > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: WE on other platforms. Was: Re: Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader
There you are, Tom. Would you agree, if we try to cook it down to something even non-tech people will understand, we might basically explain it all like this? When we see a program well-known to Windows users, all the sudden pop up as an app on IOS or Android - it is NOT because the program itself was ported over. Very basically spoken, the ideas or features of the program, even to some extent the layout, will have been transferred. Yet, the very code behind it all, will likely to a very high extent have been rewritten. Let's try this with an example. Again, let's go to the traffic. When you see a family car rolling down the street, will you then exclaim: Hey, look, a mini truck! Well, in essense, the car has a number of features resembling and quite compatible with those of a truck or bus. They all have four wheels (at least). All have a steering wheel, and they all have windows all around. Still, you please talk to the ingeneers who designed the family car, and ask them if they simply just could down-scale a truck, and let it out the doors. Think of the fact, that your car has breaks that operate on hydraulic system, whereas the truck has air-operated breaks (what is known as pneumatic breaks). The truck definitely is running on a diesel engine, likely your car is on gasolin or even all electric. The truck even might have numerous wheels, tell me if you are the owner of a family car with anything more than four. Obviously, both vihicles have been designed for transportation, with some basics in common. And the designers might likely have used the knowledge from one production, in their work on the other. They might even have a certain similarity, for instance if your family car actually would happen to be a pickup truck. Nonetheless, they are such different constructions that they likely are being produced on separate sites, and your local repair shop might only do work on one of them. You even will have to get a totally different drivers license for each. If you Olusegun are dreaming of seeing a screen reader on Android, which will resemble some - or most - of the features of Window-Eyes, your dreams might be valid enough. If, on the other hand, you think someone could simply just take the code of Window-Eyes and process it through some kind of converter; well, just to break your day, don't even waste your time... :) Even on the Windows platform itself, we find several programming languages. Some three decades ago, I started doing small tasks under one of them, named Basic. Later on I moved on to Turbo Pascal, and when Windows started to become the road of the day, I ran into AutoHotkey. Then came the scripting capability of Window-Eyes, and here the VBScript language became much the standard of most apps. I did look shortly into JScript, and have peeked at some of the codes in Python, and even Pearle. No, i don't expect most readers to recognize much of the names, just want to show you some of the variety - and that is all Windows programming. What I want to stress to you all: Believe me, you won't be able to take code from one of these languages, and simply copy it into the other. There does exist NO converters, whatever your dreams might look like, that would let the one program be ported over to another of these languages. And even for a driven programmer, going from one language over to the other, might be quite confusing. Should I please get two seconds of your day, in showing you one simple example? In one language, the calculations performed inside the code, will always be interpretted from left to right. an expression like: 2 plus 3, multiplied with 4 (2+3*4), would result in the computer taking 2, adding on 3, getting 5; and then multiplying it all with 4, resulting in a grand total of 20. Now, bring that simple expression: 2+3*4 into the other programming language, and your surprise and frustration will be complete. Here the interpretation takes place from right to left. 4 will be multiplied with 3, giving us 12; and 2 will be added, resulting in a grand total of 14. Imagine a code of thousands of lines, where each line will be at best wrongly interpretted - if even recognized at all, and see if your code will run anything like expected. For your information, the free NVDA screen reader is based on Python version 2. The newest Python is in the third generation, but is not fully backward compatible, resulting in NVDA still being transcribed into modern versions of the programming language. And all of this confusion is on one and same platform, Windows. Meaning, it all takes place, based on much the same CPU, and underlaying instructions. Now move to Android, you will have a totally different CPU, with its very own set of instructions. Or, take it to IOS, and see what Apple will want to comprehend of your code. Oh, let's just illustrate once again. The sailor meets with the pilot, and
WE on other platforms. Was: Re: Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader
Tom, you have a handful of interesting points. Olusegun, dreams sometimes have been the driver for new inventions. Or, what about a Mr Edison, or Mr Ford. They both dreamed - totally unrealistic from the stand of the days - and still, sure changed the lives of most people today. Smiles. Even Louis Braille did have ilutions. And where would many of us have been, did he give up? Difference is, that they forgot about what was already, and started anew; right from scratch. - Forget about the oil in the lamp, let's have some human hair inside a glass container, and put some electricity to it - we might just happen to get some enlightenment. - Forget about all those horses. Let's go get some gasolin, then give the whole thing some electricity - and grandma can have a ride up the steepest hill. - Forget every idea about raised versions of printed letters. Bring a punch from daddy's saddle-maker shop, a piece or two of paper, and leave me alone for the summer vacation. When you see the leaves turn colorful of autumn - here I am going to show you a brand new dotted alphabet. Like Tom stated, Windows is such basically a different beast from Android, or even Apple software - that it would be close to technically impossible to bring the screen reader we have come to enjoy, directly over to the new platform. Furthermore, cellphones, tablets, pads or whatever fancy names they want for their pocket-filler - they all are mobile devices. They are manufactured, even developed, for being products for "on the go" usage; nothing more. Like Tom indicated, reason why they have become so popular, likely is because many people now aday always is on the go - hence the device fits their daily living. But even the most energic geeks, will run into situations where they won't have enough from their mobile device. Did you ever see a server-park, run all from IPads? One thing that I have realized, after trying to learn the Android platform of my cellphone, is the lack of keys. Oh yeah, of course when you want to write something. But what about when you want to control the screen reader? On our PC, whether you use one or the other screen reader, it is a matter of using a couple of keys simultaneously. On the cellphone? Hmm, you are left to do all kinds of more or less intuitive crickle-crackles with your fingers, HOPING that you ended up doing it right. I don't find that very productive. And, even with a keyboard connected - half the time you have to perform certain commands onscreen, due to the fact of it all not being fully keyboard controlable. Tom's point about the developers behind the operating system, and their reluctancy in letting app developers reach deep enough into the code, is quite a show-stopper. The fact that they even let any app run, without all controls on the screen being labelled, is yet another. The whole idea of making a complete system, fully and basically relying on people pegging on a screen, simply never made too much sense to me. What I can do in a matter of seconds on my computer, will take multiple of time on a mobile device; become how good at it you ever want. Have you ever seen anyone - sighted - being able to type the same fast on a touch-screen device, that they could on a full-sized computer keyboard? A few - rather basic businesses - will be able to run all their activity from one of these devices. Still, ask yourself how come that you go to the bank office, the air port check-in, the police station, the public office of any services, the library helpdesk - well you finish the list - and yet, you hardly see any of them performing their business day off a touch-screen device. If these were such great tools, that everyone tell them to be, it sure puzzles why they are not being used more in such cases. The simpler answer to the whole thing, is the productivity, as well as the lack of capacity. A mobile device, which would hold the same speed, quality and technical standard as a computer? Hey, I wonder if it won't be pretty much the same heavy, clumsy, and power-consuming as a computer. Go ahead, invent the wheel all over; but be sure to make it circular this time. Smiles. Mobile devices were developed for mobile use, and will never become anything but that. Tom gave you the analogy of a truck compared to a family car. It is a good one. Though you could dream of selling your car, buying yourself an 18-wheeler - that you never would need worry how many teddybears your daughter wanted to bring along - you also will have to remember that the truck runs on diesel, and that gasolin on that tank will cause nothing but an aching wallet. Smiles. - A full-fledged screen reader on a mobile device? Yeah, maybe, if you enjoy frustrations and limited adaptability. You know, at least on Android, you cannot even redefine the gestures. Someone, who seems to have been born in a circus, has defined what gesture should make the speech do
Re: APP Central
Just a quick follow-up, in case someone thought they had a solution. As a resort, I tried running the AppGet feature. No matter what I set it to show, Installed, Outdated or even All apps - it only reports: No Apps Found. The hope that it would bypass the warned website, and get directly to the servers, hereby is broken. All I can get from this, is that we have seen the final of App Central from GW. Might as well face real facts. Hope this at least saves you all any further tries and frustrations. If you happen to have installers for any WE apps, make sure to back them up at least two different places, for future reinstallations. Like all other WinEyes material, like your installation CD, Software updates and the like. Once lost, forget about getting anything from any official source. On 8/23/2018 5:26 PM, David via Talk wrote: > Though downloading apps from App Central never required any password or > other identification, this kind of warnings should always make red > lights come on. > > > Either the site is just insecure, and will never be renewed, due to FS > letting WinEyes die out. Or, someone has hacked the site, and might > eventually have hacked the apps found there as well. > > > Sum of it all: > > Stay clear. Whatever is wrong with the GWMicro homepage, all guesses > would be that you will never see them fixed. Only reason why it even > still is possible to find any such site, would be no less than a > guesswork. Likely it only shows how little FS even bothers, since they > have not even closed the server altogether, I should think. Next will be > this list, which might break without any further notice. Either because > some kind of subscribed service from the GW team will expire, or FS > remembers to pull the plug. > > > No, I am not trying to be negative; just trying to let you know that > likely your warning message is all perfectly right. You are warned, and > should heed that message. > > > How to best obtain the apps you are looking for? Give us a list, and see > if you will receive the installers for each and every of the apps you > were used to benefit from. Likely someone here, or on the other WinEyes > list, will have the installer backed up somewhere. Further, i do seem to > recall someone here on the list, recently posting a link to a Dropbox > collecdtion of the app central. Even if you could get it, keep in mind > that some apps might be outdated, or even rather sluggish under modern > usage. In such cases, you are left to contact the app developer > directly, hoping they have some updates for you. > > > Whether we want to or not, we will have to face the fact that WinEyes is > slowly being phased out. App Central has not been reliable for several > months, and it's final does not surprise at all. Only surprise is, how > long they let it stay oparative. > > > On 8/23/2018 2:11 PM, Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> In a blunder of trying to create a mobile version of Win-Eyes 9.5.4, I >> re-installed the mobile copy to my desktop. So, I re-installed the normal >> version again. Everything is running ok, however, when I start up the >> computer, I get the app update notice. I try to install the updates, but >> nothing happens. I tried going to APP Central from the Win-Eyes menu and >> received the following notice. I have not tried to go to the unsecured site. >> >> Your connection is not private e >> Attackers might be trying to steal your information from www.gwmicro.com >> (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards). >> Learn more >> NET::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALID >> system information and page content Privacy policy >> system information and page content >> Privacy policy >> BACK TO SAFETY >> ADVANCED >> This server could not prove that it is www.gwmicro.com; its security >> certificate expired 78 days ago. This may be caused by a misconfiguration or >> an attacker intercepting your connection. Your computer's clock is currently >> set to Thursday, August 23, 2018. Does that look right? If not, you should >> correct your system's clock and then refresh this page. Proceed to >> www.gwmicro.com (unsafe) >> >> >> David Ayers >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at
Re: APP Central
Though downloading apps from App Central never required any password or other identification, this kind of warnings should always make red lights come on. Either the site is just insecure, and will never be renewed, due to FS letting WinEyes die out. Or, someone has hacked the site, and might eventually have hacked the apps found there as well. Sum of it all: Stay clear. Whatever is wrong with the GWMicro homepage, all guesses would be that you will never see them fixed. Only reason why it even still is possible to find any such site, would be no less than a guesswork. Likely it only shows how little FS even bothers, since they have not even closed the server altogether, I should think. Next will be this list, which might break without any further notice. Either because some kind of subscribed service from the GW team will expire, or FS remembers to pull the plug. No, I am not trying to be negative; just trying to let you know that likely your warning message is all perfectly right. You are warned, and should heed that message. How to best obtain the apps you are looking for? Give us a list, and see if you will receive the installers for each and every of the apps you were used to benefit from. Likely someone here, or on the other WinEyes list, will have the installer backed up somewhere. Further, i do seem to recall someone here on the list, recently posting a link to a Dropbox collecdtion of the app central. Even if you could get it, keep in mind that some apps might be outdated, or even rather sluggish under modern usage. In such cases, you are left to contact the app developer directly, hoping they have some updates for you. Whether we want to or not, we will have to face the fact that WinEyes is slowly being phased out. App Central has not been reliable for several months, and it's final does not surprise at all. Only surprise is, how long they let it stay oparative. On 8/23/2018 2:11 PM, Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk wrote: > Hi All, > > In a blunder of trying to create a mobile version of Win-Eyes 9.5.4, I > re-installed the mobile copy to my desktop. So, I re-installed the normal > version again. Everything is running ok, however, when I start up the > computer, I get the app update notice. I try to install the updates, but > nothing happens. I tried going to APP Central from the Win-Eyes menu and > received the following notice. I have not tried to go to the unsecured site. > > Your connection is not private e > Attackers might be trying to steal your information from www.gwmicro.com (for > example, passwords, messages, or credit cards). > Learn more > NET::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALID > system information and page content Privacy policy > system information and page content > Privacy policy > BACK TO SAFETY > ADVANCED > This server could not prove that it is www.gwmicro.com; its security > certificate expired 78 days ago. This may be caused by a misconfiguration or > an attacker intercepting your connection. Your computer's clock is currently > set to Thursday, August 23, 2018. Does that look right? If not, you should > correct your system's clock and then refresh this page. Proceed to > www.gwmicro.com (unsafe) > > > David Ayers > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: trying to run 16 bit programs in 64 bit seven
Basically, far as I am aware, a 32bit version of the Operating System, will run on any modern computer. You just won't take full advantage of the 64Bit technology. It's like, you can run a bike on the 4-laned road, but it won't be possible to run a truck on the sidewalk. 32bit is an older technology - yet newer than 16bit. Going down to 32bit version of Windows, just to run some old software, might seem a bit overdoing, yet I do understand your consideration. Big issue might of course be, to even getting hold of a 32bit version of Windows7, these days. If the software you are experiencing trouble with, would happen to be a REAL DOS program, you could of course have loaded your computer with some version of DOS (like DrDos, which seem to still be around, from a search on the net a little while ago). But then you also would need a DOS screen reader, which will be very hard to obtain these days.Not even on EBay, I was able to get hold of any DOS screen reader. It often has puzzled me , why Microsoft made it so that you can run 32bit on a 64bit machine, but never really opened the way all down to 16bit. That is, unless certain constructions of the hardware would block altogether for such compatibility, and yet that would surprise me. As for your 16bit software. Oh, did I wish there was some way to have them running under a 64bit operating system. Sorry to say, I am not aware of any such way. The compatibility mode - suggested by someone else on the list - did not help my 16bit software the least. Meaning that I no longer can perform certain activities on my computer, which I used to enjoy. Simply, there is no newer version of that software, than an old 16bit DOS version; and that's it. The software you mentioned, DosBox, I have not been into, so would know nothing about the accessibility. Should you decide to give it a go, let us know your findings, since it might be of use to quite a number of users, could they get their old software up running again. On 8/2/2018 3:11 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: > > I decided to upgrade to an hp machine that is windows seven 64 bit. > I'm finding that many of my favorite programs won't run as they are 16 > bit versions. I have an old dos version of pc braille that I still > like and use and would run it under 4nt in 32 bit seven or xp command > prompt with no problems. Wondering if anyone has any suggestions. I > did a bit of searching and see there is a 64 bit program I think > called dos box which says will run some dos programs. Has anyone used > this and is it usable with speech. Does a person have to run > vocal-eyes for speech? > > I really don't want to give up these programs. If I had to, would a > 32 bit version of seven install on this 664 bit machine which is an hp > z 220. > > Thanks. > > If you want you can write off list to > but...@shellworld.net > > or but...@fairpoint.net which will show up as from tiny puppy. > > > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: How do I change the reading of progress bars?
Does there exist an equivalent to Ctrl-Insert-B, in Jaws or NVDA? David On 6/30/2018 5:23 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: > Hi Bob, > > In the Window-Eyes control panel, open the Apps menu with Alt-A, and arrow > down to Progress Indicator. > Open this and choose Options. > This displays a dialog where you can choose your preferences. > Also, the hot key for reading the current level of the displayed progress bar > is Ctrl-Insert-B. > > Best, > > Rod > > Sent from Outlook for Windows > > -Original Message- > From: Talk On > Behalf Of Bob Tinney via Talk > Sent: June 30, 2018 10:23 AM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Cc: Bob Tinney > Subject: How do I change the reading of progress bars? > > I know that I've done this before, but I can't find it in the settings. > Where do I find the progress bar settings for Window-Eyes? > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Regarding Extended Dictionary app
First of all, I am not subscribed to the other WinEyes list. So if anyone of you, who are subscribed, would please be kind to forward this message. I am not sure how many of you remaining WinEyes users, who still are using the Extended Dictionary package. For those of you who are, you will have noticed that it informs you the license of the Extended Dictionary, and the Capture Spoken Phrases apps - both found in the package - are expiring this weekend. To be honest the license was not planned to run much longer. And I wasn't sure if anyone even would be using the product anymore.Still, in the event anyone feels they want to use the product, I will provide a considerably prolonged license. The updated package will be ready this weekend. the big issue about the distribution for this app, as for all other apps of WinEyes, is that we no longer can provide the updates through the App Central. Consequently, those who want an renewal of their license for the Extended Dictionary package, will have to contact me directly - that I can send you the package. Please, will you drop me a request, at the following address: trailerda...@hotmail.com Regards, David (Author of the Extended Dictionary for Window-Eyes) ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: OT about digital book players
Though I have never tried it, with my Plextalk Pocket (first generation), it should be possible to listen to Audible books. It further is possible to download and listen to Podcasts, though I find the feature not to be fully fledged. And should I want to, I can play Librivox files. Even I can stream radio stations directly from the net. Only thing is, I have to set up certain of it all, on my computer, and copy it to the memory card, before inserting it into the player. Not a big deal I find, for the usage I need. Further, I do second the point about keys to push. Many users find it far more sufficient, and I would be one of them. True, I do have a modern cellphone, wiht touch-screen, and YES, i have tried listening to different kinds of audio material on it. Yet, I do find it slow to "search" my way around the screen, just to find the Pause-button, and then having to tab it. How much quicker it is, to simply push a physical button. At least, the buttons on my Plextalk stays where they are, and do not move around - depending on the mood of the app developer, or any new updates, fancy blinking icons, unspoken controls, or any of the other stuff we so often are discussing on this and similar lists. The day your app developer decides to change his layout, or the day he simply stops developing, my Plextalk, or the Victor Stream, or any other physical-buttoned equipment, will still have their physical design. You have no such guarantee, comes to your Apple, Android, Windows, Linux or whatever based tool. Just a friendly question in here. If a user were to go for all that touch-screen based stuff, why would he buy an IPod, or IPad of any kind? I mean, I can do all that was described, directly on my Android phone. So why even bother to carry around YET ANOTHER unit, for any of your listening projects? If you are concerned about battery life, get a battery pack, and it will make you listen to whatever intertainment, as well as chatting away with your grandma for a whole week in length, all directly on your phone. Since I have never had my hands on any of the Apple players, what is it they offer, that cannot be offered on the cell phones, now aday? In general, when this kind of questions comes up, might it be an idea to not only write all the praising of the great features of a unit, or product line, but even to include some of the drawbacks. A clear-cut black/white presentation - giving one product all credits, deeming the others down - usually does help the one asking rather little. Sure, the one product might be all that much better, but that does never mean completely perfect. And what suits one, might be what bugs the other. As a short note, I know Plextalk came out with a second generation pocket players, a couple of years ago. They should have far more advanced features for online listening, what I was told. Sorry, I don't remember, but they were called something differently, but I could check it up and get back, should such be desired. Further you might want to check out the Electronics section, on the homepage of FutureAids.com. They do have a player, specially designed for visually impaired ones, with loads of features. It seems to be based on the Vocalizer line of voices, which should give you certain humanlike reading of textfiles. It does have somehow limited support for certain file formats, but it all depends on what your needs are. And since I have never held one in my hand, I am unable to elaborate more on the product. Yet, they do have friendly and fast customer service, so drop them an Email if you have any questions. Prices are affordable. On 6/7/2018 8:50 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: > Yep, but isn't this a touch screen? Not everyone can work those things. > Give me buttons to push any day. > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Thu, 7 Jun 2018, john schwery via Talk wrote: > >> Russ, I'm not saying that the second generation Stream is better than >> the Ipod Mini but with the Stream, one can search for, download and >> read Nls books and books from bookshare. One can also subscribe to, >> download and listen to podcasts. >> >> At 09:15 AM 6/7/2018, Russ Kiehne via Talk, wrote: >>> I took a lot of time thinking about if I should buy a commercial >>> one such as the second generation >>> victor reader stream. I ended up buying a ipad mini. Here's why: >>> It has more volume and better sound than my ipod touch, victor >>> reader stream >>> booksense and plextalk pocket. It does everything I would do with a >>> specialized player. With being able to lock the screen while >>> playing audio content, I get much more play time than with my >>> specialized >>> players. >>> >>> With the bard mobile app, I can read nls books on it. Books can be >>> directly >>> downloaded to the ipad mini. This can't be done on my specialized >>> players >>> I currently own. >>> >>> With the audible app, I can read
Re: toggle and not whole phrase
Or, you can get directly to it, by opening the WE Control Panel - Ctrl+Backslash, then Hit Alt-F, and the letter E for Explore. You now are directly in the WE Profile folder, and if you hit the Backspace key, you will go one level up. Here you can make your backup copy of the whole folder, and do your renaming if you so desire. On 6/3/2018 2:44 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: > Hi Richard, > > The profile folder is contained within the following folder, that is, the > parent of the default profile folder can be opened by typing the following > command at the Run dialog: > > %appdata%\gw micro\window-eyes\users > > The Run dialog, incidentally, can be opened by pressing Windows-R. > Once this folder is open, you can highlight the folder called default, which > is the profile folder, and you can then rename it by adding the characters > .Bak to the end of the folder name, and then restart WE as Tom suggests. > > Hth, > > Rod > > Sent from Outlook for the Mac > > On 2018-06-03, 2:09 AM, "Talk on behalf of richard kurlander via Talk" > talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > > where do you find the profile folder?At 10:53 AM 6/2/2018, you wrote: > >Sorry, Richard, but as I said, I have no idea what's causing it. > >It's very seldom that I see it. And I either re-open the control > >panel or reload WE. I can't even remember which. > >Is it doing this every time you open the control panel? Does it do > >it if you reboot and open the control panel with no other programs > >open? If so, I'd probably close WE and rename my profile folder to > >default.back and reload WE. It will create a new default folder. > >That's more or less like a soft reset without having to uninstall > >and reinstall WE. > >Tom > > > > > >On 6/2/2018 6:27 AM, richard kurlander via Talk wrote: > >>tom it's weird since on my machine at home using win ver 1803 at > >>work using win ver 1607 even when I am in keyboard settings for me > >>to hear the right thing I must hit enter twice very weird. do you > >>think something wrong with windoweyes defaults? tried reinstalling > >>that no luck.At 04:13 PM 6/1/2018, you wrote: > >>>I have seen this. But it's so rare I can't remember if I figured > >>>out why it was happening. I think just exiting the control panel > >>>and re-entering it solved the problem. > >>>If you're a sleeper, that is, one who never shuts down but only > >>>puts the system to sleep for weeks on end, a reboot or cold boot > >>>often solves quirky behaviors due to the inevitable memory leaks > >>>and other imperfections in an imperfect ecosystem. > >>>Hth, > >>>Tom > >>> > >>> > >>>On 6/1/2018 2:20 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > When I am in keyboard settings and you go to voice rate when you > tab you only hear toggle scope and not voice toggle scope unless > you press enter twice. > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of > the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > For membership options, visit > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Foptions.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com%2Ftom.kingston%2540charter.net=02%7C01%7C%7C3e248bd075774085445c08d5c918930e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636636029732744172=r1Ou10fU6uqyAc3mofx%2Bajlat4JhVE9TR2dCE84kyLQ%3D=0. > > For subscription options, visit > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com=02%7C01%7C%7C3e248bd075774085445c08d5c918930e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636636029732744172=OI4H4Sk93FooUz0%2FCDJSa2rMAjN2t6Y9gRgV7dmohsU%3D=0 > List archives can be found at > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Fprivate.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com=02%7C01%7C%7C3e248bd075774085445c08d5c918930e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636636029732744172=zMBgk4PJma7TyVIzsemc%2BCYZoowuwFAWgdwcHVICKfg%3D=0 > >>>___ > >>>Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of > >>>the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > >>> > >>>For membership options, visit > > >>>https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Foptions.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com%2Fr.kurlander%2540verizon.net=02%7C01%7C%7C3e248bd075774085445c08d5c918930e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636636029732744172=s8xCITFV5tFOyJ55KvWuBUDUksh%2F%2BEvFWWGzFO7XARA%3D=0. > >>> > >>>For subscription options, visit > >
Re: Has anyone ever considered using the Apple Mac?
Guess you are not lonely on the isle of wishing for more stability, like in the older days, when comes to electronics. As a matter of fact, many sighted people feel the same way. All the continious updates to Windows and software, do affect EVERYONE - not only visually impaired. As for Apple products, I have never even tried them, so cannot advice anything on that field. Still, you will want to go through your actual needs. For my part, one reason why I have never bothered the Apple products, is that certain of the software I am relying on, only runs under Windows. Getting a Mac would mean for me to stop using such software, and the disadvantage thereof seems higher than the gains of a bit more stability on the computer. Sure, I do know there exists ways of running a Mac with Windows, but you then still will have to face the many updates, I guess. Further, be aware that not all Windows periphals might have drivers for Mac. Such as your printer. Though Apple might have 24/7 assistance - over the phone or whatever - you will have to rely on it. A Windows machine is similar to what your friends and colleagues run, and getting help with things directly on-site, might prove easier. All depend on your situation, and your location. If for instance you lived in a place with no Apple store, and you had to pay for transportation every time you had to take your device to the store, so as to benefit from the special service you described, it could soon enough prove to be a troublesome solution; even if the assistance itself would claim to be free-of-charge. Compare it with having someone over for a cup of coffee and let them fix your issue. Again, it depend on what situation you are in. What need you have for assistance, what software you plan on using, and what other equipment you already have that might or moight not be compatible. Keep in mind, that even Apple products receive updates. Probably not that often, and perhaps not all that overturning in new layouts and so forth. But Apple land likely have its own challenges. Sure, they have a number of voices included in their products. But do these voices fit you? What about special terms, linked to your profession - will they be able to pronounce them correctly? Or, will they have optimal pronunciation dictionary capabilities, enough for you to taylor them to a bearable level? Otherwise a day in office might prove to be a true nightmare, sitting there listening to extremely badly pronounced special terms. I do have one locale voice on my computer here, manufactured by Vocalizer. It sounds very nice, clear and OK natural. Yet no matter how hard I try - with whichever screen reader or dictionary - it simply cannot be made to pronounce certain words correctly. And believe me, it becomes a real stressful experience over time. It even sometimes pronounce things such badly, that it causes misunderstandings. Since I have never used an Apple product, I could not tell what is the case on their screen reader voices. But you might want to do some research, as to what voices might be available, even for later purchase and installing. Many have chosen to use software that no longer is installed all on your local computer, but rather based on Online services. In some cases that might solve part of your learning curve, since they might be similarly working, whether you use Linux, Windows, Apple, or even Android based equipment. That is what we name cross-platform services. Yet, other software, even if they run off the net, might be quite different, from one platform to the other. One thing to keep in mind, is that the cross-platform services, will be updated just as often for all platforms. Let's take a thing like Firefox (and I just picked it out of the air, purely for samplification). If they decide to update, they will update the cross-platform software. This means, whether you run Mac, Android or Windows, you still will have to face the changes made in the new version. In certain cases, this could end up meaning that you have spent loads of money, and considerable resources on learning a new computer, only to ind that what you use your computer for, all is going to be just as often updated and changed, as the one you were running away from.Stary nights come in the jungle, just like in the Prairies. As to what extent you should choose the one system over the other, I do not have the expertise, let alone the urge to start arguing. I simply want to point out, that you will be changing environment, and have to make sure you know what you are doing; and even then, you might only change side so much. Spend your time wisely. And hard as it is to let you know, we all have to face the fact that things do change. Even faster and faster. And the impaired will only fall behind all the more. Personally I have decided to go with what I have, even if my computer has been running for several years, and is still on
