Re: JAWS question

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Marten:

The JAWS key is the insert key by default or the capslock key if you
have set it that way.
The key to read from the cursor position to the bottom of the
document is insert + down arrow.
If you have any questions, please let me know.

On 5/22/18, Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> Hi Kevin,
>
> Yes, that is possible.
>
> The most effective way is to press win-r for run and type:
> %appdata%
> Here you find a folder freedom scientific
> In this folder you will find settings about jaws.
> In the folder there is a Jaws folder and there you will find a folder
> with the version number. 2018 or 18, 17 etc. You can simply copy this
> folder to the same location on the other computer.
> I think it is better to use nvda when copying it on the new computer so
> jaws will not lock files.
>
> Regards, Marten
>
>
> On Tue, 22 May 2018 15:28:08 -0400 Kevin Huber via Talk
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> My question is, can you move JAWS settings from one computer to another?
>> Kevin Huber
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JAWS question

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi:

My question is, can you move JAWS settings from one computer to another?
Kevin Huber
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Re: wav file editor

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Jeff:

I have always used Audacity for that purpose.  I have not done it in a
long time, but I recall that it was not very difficult.


Kevin Huber
On 5/16/18, Jeff Weiss via Talk  wrote:
> I need a simple to use wav file editor.
> I want to be able to trim the ending space off of songs and other simple
> tasks like that.
> Does anybody have a suggestion for me?
> thanks
> Jeff
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Re: Keys Echoing Incorrectly

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi David:

What happens when you set Window-eyes to echo words instead of
characters.  Do you hear the correct words when your are typing?
Kevin Huber

On 5/3/18, Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk  wrote:
> All,
>
> I have a strange issue happening with key echo.  When I press a key, and it
> doesn't matter what key, it echos a different letter or number.  For
> example, if I am on the desktop and press 'I' for Internet Explorer, it will
> echo maybe 9, then another press of 'I' may say S.  However, the cursor
> jumps to the right desktop icon.  So when pressing 'I', it will say a
> different letter/number, but will go to the first or next item starting with
> 'I'.  The same is happening with any edit boxes or when I try to compose an
> email.  It just doesn't echo the letter/number I am pressing.  This also
> messes with the shortcut keys in IE.  Pressing 'V' for visited links, or 'H'
> for heading, or 'E' for edit box doesn't go to the correct location.
>
> I have checked the keyboard layout and it was set to Zoom Text.  I changed
> it to default, but it still echos the wrong key stroke.  I am using WE 9.5.4
> and Windows 10.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> David Ayers
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retiring from MSC in June

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Rod:

I am retiring from my job at Microscience Centre in June, between the
middle of June and the end of June.

Barouch has asked me to suggest people who would re[lace me.

It strikes me that you would be the type of person, with all your
knowledge of Screen Reading software and, related matters, to do the
job.
Would you be interested?
The only issue is that they would like the candidate to know braille,
if possible,

If you are interested in the job, or know someone else who has the
technical knowledge and would be interested,  would you please contact
me at
kev...@microscience.on.ca  or contact Barouch at:
barou...@microscience.on.ca

Kevin Huber

On 5/28/17, Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Here's how to configure the Windows 10 system tray so that, when running
> Jaws, it displays all the icons which are displayed when running
> Window-Eyes.
> Actually, you have to select which icons you want displayed.
> Note that, in the Windows 10 Settings, I found two different places to
> configure system tray icons.
>
> The popular system tray icons such as the clock, volume, network status, and
> location
> Are configured by typing the word "icons" in the Cortana search box, and, in
> the results which appear, choose the following result:
>
> Turn system icons on or off
>
> In the dialog which appears, you'll find buttons which function as check
> boxes, and so a checked check box indicates that it will appear in the
> system tray.
>
> Application-specific icons are configured in a dialog box found by typing
> text into the Cortana search box such that the following result appears:
>
> Select which icons appear on the taskbar
>
> Again, in the dialog which appears, you'll find buttons which function as
> check boxes, and so a checked check box indicates that it will appear in the
> system tray.
>
> Note that if you have trouble finding the specific dialog boxes I mentioned,
> you can always copy and paste the text of the search results I mentioned
> into the Cortana search box.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Rod
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Re: Freeze and Task Manager

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Debra:

Did you try reinstalling WE?  If all the other suggestions that you
are given don't work, you can try that.

Kevin Huber


On 1/7/18, Debra Hill via Talk  wrote:
> Good Morning,
>
>
>
> So I called Microsoft.  The tech told me my WE was not working as the
> Outlook was open.  He instructed how to open the Task Manager and again the
> WE would not read the dialogue box.  I had been searching using IE on the
> internet earlier.
>
>
>
> Has anyone had this type of problem?  Is there any way to correct WE or is
> this just one of the steps in WE's dying stage?
>
>
>
> Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Have a blessed day and stay warm as it is cold here in Georgia.
>
>
>
> Deborah
>
> My WE stopped talking when I tried to open my Outlook, using Windows 10 and
> MS Office 2013,
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Re: Windows Live Mail

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Tom:
Sorry about the delay in replying to your message.
How many items are in your inbox, and all your other folders?  I know
that I had the verry same problem a couple of yearss ago and my friend
suggested that I had too many items in all of my folders on my email
page, so rather than take the time to delete them one by one, I
selected the ones I wanted to keep and saved them, then I just did a
mass delete of the rest.

Kevin Huber
On 12/23/17, Tom Fairhurst via Talk  wrote:
> Why does Windows Live Mail refuse to send my message, even though I have a
> legitimate  contact category in the “To” field? I know the number of
> contacts in the list is not too high because sometimes, it works. I have
> checked to be sure no stray characters have gotten in. I am using Windows 7.
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Re: google chrome

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi:

I do have one question.
Is there a way that I can control if podcasts are downloaded or just saved?
For example.  if someone sends me a link to a  podcast and I click on
the link, I would like to be able to choose if I want to save the
podcast or just listen to it.  Currently, Google Chrome just gives me
the dialog about where I want to save the podcast.  Firefox, for
example, will ask me if I want to open it or save it
A good example of what I am talking about is the Eyes On Success
newsletter, www.eyesonsuccess.net.  Find a link to one of the episodes
and press Enter on it.  Firefox will ask me whether I want to open it
or save it, whereas Google Chrome will just assume that I want to save
it.
Kevin Huber
On 12/13/17, David Moore via Talk  wrote:
> You are very welcome!
> I totally agree with you about Chrome. Definitely my favorite!
> Have a great one, and ask any questions.
> David Moore
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Mike Rogers via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 11:14 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Mike Rogers
> Subject: Re: google chrome
>
> Thanks for the tutorial.  I prefer Chrome over I.E. and Firefox is out of
> the equation.  This is a great tutorial.
>
> 
>
> www.harmonicaworkshops.com
>
>
>
> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 19:41:49 -0500
> David Moore via Talk  wrote:
>
>> Hey Bob and all!
>> I will paste my text tutorial on the Google Chrome browser right below
>> this message. You can read it here right in the email.
>> I take you through everything, and all of the settings.
>> Here is the tutorial right below!
>> Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser
>> By David Moore
>> This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome.
>> I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial,
>> because they all work the same in Chrome.
>> Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build.
>> I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome.
>> There should be a shortcut on your desktop.
>>
>> Section One:
>> Launching Chrome:
>> One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and
>> type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS
>> say Chrome.
>> However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a
>> shortcut icon on your desktop.
>> So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to
>> open Chrome.
>> The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the
>> Google Chrome icon on your desktop.
>> The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise
>> the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will
>> get undesirable results.
>>
>> Section Two:
>> Bringing up a web site.
>> Press CTRL+L or Alt+D
>> and type the following:
>> www.freedomscientific.com
>> The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly.
>> All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo
>> box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome.
>>
>> Section Three:
>> The Virticle Chrome menu:
>> I will press Alt+F.
>> The Chrome menu is open.
>> This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down
>> arrow through.
>> I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.
>> New Tab, CTRL+T.
>> You can press that command right from the web site you are on.
>> New Window, CTRL+N
>> You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming
>> here.
>> New incognito Window.
>> History sub menu.
>> I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!
>> History, CTRL+H
>> So, there is a key command for reading your history.
>> You can read a few sites you were on right here.
>> I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu.
>> Downloads, CTRL+J
>> There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with
>> Chrome.
>> Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu.
>> I will press right arrow, to open this.
>> I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D
>> That command will bookmark the page you are reading.
>> Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B
>> That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to
>> see. I do not want that.
>> Here is the important one.
>> manage bookmarks
>> The command is, CTRL+Shift+O
>> In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks
>> you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can
>> download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in
>> Chrome.
>> On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads,
>> and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have
>> saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks
>> right to your computer, so you can back them up.
>> That is all for manage bookmarks.
>> Next, I hear import bookmarks and 

Re: Observations

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Brenda:

I understand what you mean about the JAWS list.  I was on that list
for a few months and unsubscribed from it for that verry same reason.

Kevin Huber

On 11/29/17, Brenda via Talk  wrote:
> Hi List,
>
> I usually check email on my iPhone, deleting those with topics I'm not
> interested in or saving them to reply to on my pc which I  don't visit
> that often.
>
> today as I went through my email on my desktop it was so nice to see
> this list being active with a variety of people participating.
>
> I'm glad Window-eyes is still hanging in there but I'm also glad I can
> get jaws help from a Window-eyes prospective. I know there is a jaws
> list but I can't spend my day reading emails.
>
> Brenda
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Re: Starting Window Eyes/JAWS ey

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Hi Debra:

You do not have to shut the computer down if you want to run
Window-eyes instead of JAWS.  Just shut JAWS down before you start
Window-eyes.

Kevin Huber

On 12/6/17, Debra Hill via Talk  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> If I have Window Eyes up and would like to use JAWS, do I have to restart
> the computer each time?  Is there a way to switch from one screen reader to
> another without re-booting?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Deborah
>
>
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Re: typing passwords with jaws

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi BK:

If you want to hear what you are typing when you type a password, you
can type it in Notepad, then cut and paste it into the Password field.
I know this is a long way to go about it, but it works if you really
want to here the characters that you type.

Kevin Huber

On 11/17/17, BK via Talk  wrote:
> Hello, jaws says star, star, star, when I type in a password. Does
> anyone know how to change this so that jaws will say what is actually
> being typed. I like to hear the actual characters, so I know I am typing
> the password correctly. Thanks.
>
> Butch
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Re: We certificates

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Larry:

I would just go ahead and reinstall WeForOffice.
In the long run, you save time because you will not have to try
something, have it not work and then try again.

You may have to redownload it from the website.  I did that not too
long ago, because I wanted to make sure that the website still exists
and that I have a copy of the istallation file in case the website is
taken down by the folks at VFO.

Kevin Huber


On 11/14/17, Larry Higgins via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> Kevin,
>
>
> Now that this issue has come up, I have a question I hope you have some
> insight into.
>
>
> For some reason, each time I make a major update to Windows 10, WE goes
> into demo mode,  making it necessary to go to license management and
> renew online. When I try doing it offline, it gives me an invalid
> warning. When I do it offline, it tells me that I have a dwindling
> number of renewal options, and now it appears that I have run out. So,
> do you know how to deal with what appears to be the inevitable situation
> where I am actually out of validations?
>
>
> Who knows, maybe then it will be necessary to either uninstall, and then
> reinstall another copy of WE for Office.
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
> On 11/14/2017 3:24 PM, Kevin Huber via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Bernie:
>>
>> OK.  I will make another attempt at answering your question as I was
>> not quite awake the first time.
>> If you have a valid license for Microsoft Office version 10 or higher, you
>> can
>> run Window-eyes for Office and it will work perfectly. If it does not
>> find a valid license, it will run in Demo mode.
>>
>> You can find all the information on www.windoweyesforoffice.com.
>>
>> Kevin Huber
>>
>>
>> On 11/14/17, Kevin Huber <huber.kev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi  Bernie:
>>>
>>> bAs for your question about Microsoft Office, If you have a valid
>>> license for Microsoft Office 10 or above, all you need to do is to
>>> start Windoweyesforoffice and if it doesn't find yourMicrosoft Office
>>> license, it will just run in demo mode.
>>>
>>> You can get the information at www.windoweyesforoffice.com and you can
>>> get all the information from there
>>>
>>> On 11/12/17, Bernie Perella via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>>> HI, Thanks for your note.  I did, in fact, purchase the acapella voices
>>>> but I think they sent the wrong authorization.  I have two copies of WE,
>>>> one on an older system 9.0 on a Vista system.  the other is We for
>>>> office now running on Windows 10 version 17 09.  I am not sure but I
>>>> seem to remember that when you got WE for office, you had to download an
>>>> authorization so they would know you had purchased Office from MS.  Am I
>>>> wrong about that?  Thanks, B
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/12/2017 7:17 PM, Loy Green via Talk wrote:
>>>>> Not sure what authorizations you are talking about, if it is for
>>>>> voices
>>>>> you purchased for the paid version of WE 9.54, you need to request a
>>>>> download link from AISquared that would include any paid versions of
>>>>> voices you purchased. They were still giving these links a while back,
>>>>> but
>>>>> don't know how long they might continue doing so.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 11/7/2017 2:36 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>>>>> >>> HI, I have a couple of authorization files that I had gotten
>>>>> from
>>>>> Gw
>>>>> >>> before they went belly up. However, none of these authorization
>>>>> files
>>>>> >>> will run and they give the error that they are blocked by an
>>>>> >>> administrator. Is there any way to get these authorization
>>>>> files
>>>>> with
>>>>> >>> the new certificate? thanks. B
>>>>> >>>
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Re: We certificates

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Bernie:

OK.  I will make another attempt at answering your question as I was
not quite awake the first time.
If you have a valid license for Microsoft Office version 10 or higher, you can
run Window-eyes for Office and it will work perfectly. If it does not
find a valid license, it will run in Demo mode.

You can find all the information on www.windoweyesforoffice.com.

Kevin Huber


On 11/14/17, Kevin Huber  wrote:
> Hi  Bernie:
>
> bAs for your question about Microsoft Office, If you have a valid
> license for Microsoft Office 10 or above, all you need to do is to
> start Windoweyesforoffice and if it doesn't find yourMicrosoft Office
> license, it will just run in demo mode.
>
> You can get the information at www.windoweyesforoffice.com and you can
> get all the information from there
>
> On 11/12/17, Bernie Perella via Talk  wrote:
>> HI, Thanks for your note.  I did, in fact, purchase the acapella voices
>> but I think they sent the wrong authorization.  I have two copies of WE,
>> one on an older system 9.0 on a Vista system.  the other is We for
>> office now running on Windows 10 version 17 09.  I am not sure but I
>> seem to remember that when you got WE for office, you had to download an
>> authorization so they would know you had purchased Office from MS.  Am I
>> wrong about that?  Thanks, B
>>
>>
>> On 11/12/2017 7:17 PM, Loy Green via Talk wrote:
>>>Not sure what authorizations you are talking about, if it is for
>>> voices
>>> you purchased for the paid version of WE 9.54, you need to request a
>>> download link from AISquared that would include any paid versions of
>>> voices you purchased. They were still giving these links a while back,
>>> but
>>> don't know how long they might continue doing so.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/7/2017 2:36 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>>>>>> HI, I have a couple of authorization files that I had gotten from
>>> Gw
>>>>>> before they went belly up. However, none of these authorization
>>> files
>>>>>> will run and they give the error that they are blocked by an
>>>>>> administrator. Is there any way to get these authorization files
>>> with
>>>>>> the new certificate? thanks. B
>>>>>>
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Re: We certificates

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi  Bernie:

bAs for your question about Microsoft Office, If you have a valid
license for Microsoft Office 10 or above, all you need to do is to
start Windoweyesforoffice and if it doesn't find yourMicrosoft Office
license, it will just run in demo mode.

You can get the information at www.windoweyesforoffice.com and you can
get all the information from there

On 11/12/17, Bernie Perella via Talk  wrote:
> HI, Thanks for your note.  I did, in fact, purchase the acapella voices
> but I think they sent the wrong authorization.  I have two copies of WE,
> one on an older system 9.0 on a Vista system.  the other is We for
> office now running on Windows 10 version 17 09.  I am not sure but I
> seem to remember that when you got WE for office, you had to download an
> authorization so they would know you had purchased Office from MS.  Am I
> wrong about that?  Thanks, B
>
>
> On 11/12/2017 7:17 PM, Loy Green via Talk wrote:
>>Not sure what authorizations you are talking about, if it is for voices
>> you purchased for the paid version of WE 9.54, you need to request a
>> download link from AISquared that would include any paid versions of
>> voices you purchased. They were still giving these links a while back, but
>> don't know how long they might continue doing so.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/7/2017 2:36 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>>>>> HI, I have a couple of authorization files that I had gotten from
>> Gw
>>>>> before they went belly up. However, none of these authorization
>> files
>>>>> will run and they give the error that they are blocked by an
>>>>> administrator. Is there any way to get these authorization files
>> with
>>>>> the new certificate? thanks. B
>>>>>
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Re: Favorites in IE 11

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Tom:

I am not sure about how you can recover them, but I have tested IE 11
with the latest versioon of Window-eyes and they do read properly for
me.

Kevin Huber
On 10/18/17, Tom Fairhurst via Talk  wrote:
> I just discovered today that my favorites won’t display propperly in IE 11
> using the latest version ofWindow-Eyes. I have never had this problem
> before. How can I refresh them. For those of you who are transitioning to
> JAWS, they won’t display there either. I am using Window 7 64-bit Pro.
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Re: Jaws and Edge

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi:

Speaking of Edge, what about NVDA and Edge?  I have NVDA at the
office, and I tried briefly to run Edge and a similar thing happened
as Tony described.

Kevin Huber

On 10/20/17, Tony C via Talk  wrote:
> Hello, When I open edgeee jaws reads nothing. How do I find and install jaws
> support for edge? Thanks Tony
>
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Re: How to use Google Drive

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Larry:

One way you can share a file is to go to the Google Drive site,
www.drive.google.com.  Then you find the list of files, highlight the
one you want to share, then backtab a few times until you get to the
Share button, and, depending on which screen reader you are using, it
should say the name of the file that is being shared when you backtab
to that button. then you can press the spacebar to activate the button
and it should ask you for the address you want to share it with.

Please let  me know if you have any further questions.
Kevin Huber

On 11/4/17, Larry Higgins via Talk  wrote:
> Listers,
>
>
> I'm sure hoping that someone here has at least attempted to make use of
> the free 15gb storage allotment from Google Drive, because after
> attempting to do so, in my case, I can't seem to get to first base,
> unless sharing the how too file is actually doing that.
>
>
> I was under the impression that after I downloaded some kind of app to
> my system, that I would be able to use it to set myself up with this
> thing, but I see no sign of a download of an app, or any shortcut on my
> desktop.
>
>
> The primary reason for using this feature is to send some rather large
> files to my brother. Never thought it would turn out to be such a PITA.
>
>
> Is this even speech accessible?
>
> Any ideas please?
>
>
> Thanks very much in advance,
>
>
> Larry
>
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Re: lost all my w e apps.

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Netbat:

As I recall, if you delete the .ini file, then start Window-eyes you
can get your original settings back, I don't know, however, if that
includes the list of your apps.

Kevin Huber


On 11/2/17, net bat via Talk  wrote:
> hi,
> i lost all my installed apps from the list.
> there was a way to make them show up in the list again by changeing or
> deleteing a w e file without haveing to reinstall the apps but i don't
> remember
> how to do this.
> is there anyone left on the list that knows how to do this. grin.
> is there a way to batch down load all the apps from the app central  store
> at
> one time?
>
> help please.
>
>
>
> There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
> You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.
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Re: problem installing Windows 10 Fall Creator's update

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Rod:

What you can try is to reinstall the latest version of Window-eyes
that you have been using and then use the imergency removal tool to
uninstall it.
Good Luck.



On 10/18/17, Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I checked for updates manually in my Windows 10 Home system today, and, when
> attempting to install the update I got the message that two apps would have
> to be uninstalled since they were incompatible with the update.
> These were named Window-Eyes 9.1 and below and Window-Eyes 9.3.
> This is quite puzzling insofar as I completely uninstalled Windo-Eyes 9.5.4
> and reinstalled it.
> For one thing, I could never have installed version 9.1 on this machine
> since I got the system with Windos 10.
> Okay, I began with Window-Eyes 9.2 and upgraded it along the way, but
> insofar as I completely removed  Window-Eyes 9.5.4 and then reinstalled it,
> it looks as if Windows thinks I have old Window-Eyes files hanging around.
> Incidentally, just to be sure, although I had uninstalled Window-Eyes 9.5.4
> using Add/Remove Programs, I also downloaded and ran the Windo-Eyes Removal
> tool just to be certain nothing was missed.
> At this point, then, I cannot move forward to install the newest edition of
> Windows 10.
> I certainly can call the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk and see if they
> can fix it.
> However, I was just wondering if anyone has had a similar experience to
> mine.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rod
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Re: Worth reading

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi:
Every time I go to the page, I get the message that "this video is not
available".
Kevin Huber

On 10/11/17, Brenda via Talk  wrote:
> Hey Reeva
>
> Thanks for sharing the link - now I don't feel so bad - and fellow
> Window-Eyes users we are not alone.
>
> I was going to say I used jaws successfully and with better success to
> view the video, but then I tried to reply to this email and jaws froze
> and I had to shut it down and restart it.
>
> Thanks again Reeva for sharing.
> Brenda
>
> On 10/11/2017 6:53 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:
>> I'm just gonna leave this here. Any of this sound familiar?
>>
>> https://youtu.be/00wQYmvfhn4
>>
>> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
>> night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho
>>
>> Reeva
>>
>> On Oct 11, 2017 5:40 AM, "Charles Adkins via Talk" <
>> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>
>>> let me make one thing clear, I am not bitter. I am not sure about what
>>> merge is being talked about, Window-eyes was dropped, not merged with
>>> Jaws.
>>> My point was Vfo had the chance to retain the best of Window-eyes and
>>> jaws
>>> in both technology and people and produce one hell of a screen reader
>>> unlike anything the world has ever seen and they chose not to do that,
>>> they
>>> just trashed their "compeditor" completely like they never existed.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Oct 11, 2017, at 5:05 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk <
>>> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

 Hi Josh,

 As for Office support in NVDA, as I am subscribed to Office 365, and
>>> will be for the  foreseeable future, I will be using NVDA to navigate it
>>> should Window-Eyes no longer suffice.
 I've been keeping my ear to the ground, though, and I know that Office
>>> support for NVDA is a high priority.
 We'll keep everyone posted.
 As I've said, I will not be using the offering of the enemy of GW
 Micro.

 Best,

 Rod

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail.com@lists.
>>> window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
 Sent: October 10, 2017 6:11 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
 Cc: Josh Kennedy 
 Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

 oh  well then maybe I will just stay with NVDA and I may not bother
 buying jaws, not sure yet. I heard jaws has better microsoft office
 support than NVDA does. But maybe that is no longer true?



> On 10/10/2017 1:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
> you might as well junk it now.
> 2018 release will be in about 2 weeks.
> f s has had the same 27 years as window eyes had  and it still doesn't
> work as good.
> i can't even pay my credit card with it. a web page that is suppose to
> be jaws compatible doesn't work.
> window eyes works fine.
> money talks. if gwmicro was the one that had all the money it would of
> been f s that would be out of business now.
>
> -Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 7:01 AM
> To: Chuck Adkins via Talk
> Cc: Bob Tinney
> Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts
>
> Chuck,
>
>
> I agree with you!  My s m as were carried over from W E, but when I
> have
> to pay for an upgrade, Jaws will disappear from my computer.
>
> Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net
>
>> On 10/10/2017 8:33 AM, Chuck Adkins via Talk wrote:
>> Well, I've been using Jaws for a while now and I must confess the
>> Window-eyes was the much better product both in speed, browsing,
>> usability, layout, and so much more. Like on the Ohio Lottery
>> Website,
>> when reading the pick 5 Jaws will not scroll down continuously down
>> the page like NVDA, Narrator, and Window-eyes do. I also find
>> Window-eyes synthesizer support was much better. I am not whining, I
>> am just bemoaning the fact that a company got by with trashing a
>> product completely, borrowing or using nothing from the product they
>> trashed and acting like Window-eyes never existed, not to mention
>> charging so much for the product. Don't give me that similar stuff,
>> because I've found webpages where Jaws just doesn't work and NVDA and
>> Narrator do.
>>
>> So why won't I just shut up? I will, just wanted to point out in my
>> view what I've realized, and hopefully NVDA, Narrator and others will
>> be able to say Thank You to VFO for pushing us to a day when a 2
>> thousand dollar screen reader is no longer need.
>>
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Re: google chrome

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Everybody who are experts on Google Chrome:

Google Chrome used to ask me if I wanted to open or save the file I
was downloading, which is the default behavior.  Somehow my Chrome now
just goes ahead and saves the files.  I could not find anything in the
settings to get the original behavior back.  Does anyone have any
ideas?
Kevin Huber

On 10/13/17, Don Smith via Talk  wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I have switched from fire fox and having downloading a file or folder from
> send space
>
> When I find the file and it says download audible clickm then I do control
> j
> as suggested, no download
>
> I have tried the context key and was successful once when I clicked on save
> as, but, I need the proper way if anybody can help.
>
> Thanks
>
> Don
>
>
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Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

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Hi David:

Thanks for the well-written tutorial.  I have just saved it into my
Documents folder to use as a reference when I can't figure out how to
do something that I want to do.

Kevin Huber

On 10/10/17, David Moore via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> Hi Tom!
> I use Chrome all of the time! It is easier to use, much faster at
> downloading files, and streaming media. It is very accessible. I can send
> you a tutorial on using the Chrome browser!
> David Moore
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Kevin Huber via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:04 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Kevin Huber
> Subject: Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate
>
> Hi Tom:
>
> I find that I am using it more and more often these days.
> Give it a try!  You might be pleasantly surprised.
>
>
> On 10/2/17, Tom Kingston via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>> Has anyone given Chrome a serious look? I've never even tried it. So I'm
>> curious as to whether I should even bother.
>>
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Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Tom:

I find that I am using it more and more often these days.
Give it a try!  You might be pleasantly surprised.


On 10/2/17, Tom Kingston via Talk  wrote:
> Has anyone given Chrome a serious look? I've never even tried it. So I'm
> curious as to whether I should even bother.
>
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Re: fire fox

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi:


I would also like a copy of that file, since I find that I am using
Chrome more these days and I have noticed that Chrome loads websites
faster than even
Firefox, and much faster than Explorer.
My email is khu...@bell.net.
Thank you.
Kevin Huber


On 10/5/17, Don Smith via Talk  wrote:
> Hi:
>
> Anybody having trouble using fire fox
>
> It seems as if I can't read the page or even in searching, no links or
> headings come up
>
> Thanks
>
> Don
>
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Re: App Central.

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Don:
I think that is the one he meant.
Kevin Huber

On 9/19/17, Don Smith via Talk  wrote:
> Hi:
> I got to apps central but could not find the install package you mentioned
> I found install packages, but, not the one you mentioned.
> Under what heading is it found
> Thanks
> Don
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Re: inaccessible website

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Juan:

I would think that someone on this list has come across at least one
unaccessible website.  I have heard so many complaints about how
inaccessible the web is becoming , that I would imagine that someone
will come forward with a good example for you.

Kevin Huber



On 9/15/17, Juan Hernandez via Talk  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am working on a project for work.  I need some examples of horrible
> accessible on a website.
> If anyone has any ideas I'd appreciate it.
>
> Best,
>
> Juan Hernandez
> juanhernande...@gmail.com
> 619-750-9431 (M) |  858-777-3311 (F)
> My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 1:32 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Josh Kennedy 
> Subject: Re: low cost jaws it does exist
>
> you can get the low cost jaws by calling 1-800-444-4443 extension 1101 and
> asking to buy jaws through the jaws for fixed income program.
>
>
>
> On 9/15/2017 3:29 PM, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo via Talk wrote:
>> how do I get it?
>> my wife is giving birth for the first time  hour first child
>>
>> On 9/15/17, lynn white via Talk  wrote:
>>> That's clever.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/15/2017 12:32 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
 Actually we don't know that - you could be a VFO bot, or perhaps you
 might want another life?  Maybe she should've written:

 "get another life!"

 On 9/15/2017 10:47 AM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:
> Don't you think that statement of get a life is contradicting itself?
> How can I get a life when I already have a life? And I already have a
> life because I am alive. And you know I am alive because I am sitting
> here typing this message. If I did not get or have a life already,
> then
> I could not be sitting here and typing this message to you, now could
> I?
> Because I would not be alive in the first place.
>
>
> On 9/15/2017 12:48 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>> Get a life and hope for the bonus of compassion and empathy for
>> others. You'll be much happier.
>>
>> On 9/14/2017 6:33 PM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:
>>> ...get a job and stop bothering people for hand outs.
>>>
>>> On Sep 14, 2017 9:35 AM, "Josh Kennedy via Talk"
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 hello


 I just talked to Hal from VFO. He called me and left me a message.
 Anyway
 he told me about a program that VFO already has in place for people
 who
 need low-cost jaws. He told me this is a special program and for
> some
 reason its not advertised on their website but he said he would
 make
 a note
 to at least get information about it posted up there. So here is
 what he
 said. For people who cannot afford jaws, you call in and through
 this jaws
 affordability program for $125 you get jaws home version with 0
 smas. But
 if you pay $225 you get jaws home version with two smas. When I am
 done
 with Christmas and stuff I'm gunna take advantage of this for sure!
 I also
 suggested to hal about a program to activate jaws on a monthly
 basis, $225
 comes down to $12 per month. He said he would make a note of that
 also. So
 yes folks low cost jaws does exist. get more info by calling:

 1-800-444-4443 extension 1101


 This news is very exciting! in a year or so my son will probably be
 doing
 more advances stuff with microsoft office and Jaws will probably be
 needed
 because it works good with that office suite. I am glad that low
 cost jaws
 really exists.


 Josh


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Re: low cost jaws it does exist

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi:
Is it available internationally?
Kevin Huber

On 9/14/17, Josh Kennedy via Talk  wrote:
> hello
>
>
> I just talked to Hal from VFO. He called me and left me a message.
> Anyway he told me about a program that VFO already has in place for
> people who need low-cost jaws. He told me this is a special program and
> for some reason its not advertised on their website but he said he would
> make a note to at least get information about it posted up there. So
> here is what he said. For people who cannot afford jaws, you call in and
> through this jaws affordability program for $125 you get jaws home
> version with 0 smas. But if you pay $225 you get jaws home version with
> two smas. When I am done with Christmas and stuff I'm gunna take
> advantage of this for sure! I also suggested to hal about a program to
> activate jaws on a monthly basis, $225 comes down to $12 per month. He
> said he would make a note of that also. So yes folks low cost jaws does
> exist. get more info by calling:
>
> 1-800-444-4443 extension 1101
>
>
> This news is very exciting! in a year or so my son will probably be
> doing more advances stuff with microsoft office and Jaws will probably
> be needed because it works good with that office suite. I am glad that
> low cost jaws really exists.
>
>
> Josh
>
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Re: window-eyes open source?

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi:
Also, if you wanted to make the Window-eyes code open source, you
would have to wait 5 or 10 years until the copywright expires,
assuming there is a copywright, but by that time, the code would be so
old that it would probably be totally useless.
Kevin Huber

On 9/12/17, Dennis Long via Talk  wrote:
> Get real that wouldn't be able to be done!  They couldn't afford to pay
> staff!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:33 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Josh Kennedy
> Subject: Re: window-eyes open source?
>
> But for those who cannot afford Jaws they are left out. That is why FS
> should make a low cost jaws rental program for maybe the price of a netflix
> subscription, and the more you pay then you can add friends onto your jaws
> account and let close friends use jaws, like I let one or two other family
> members use my netflix account.
>
>
>
> On 9/11/2017 7:53 PM, David Moore via Talk wrote:
>> Hi all!
>> I am starting to say this to everyone.
>> You must use more than one screen reader to access everything. I could
>> tell you many examples of when NVDA accesses things and JAWS does not at
>> all.
>> On the other hand, I could give you many examples of when JAWS accesses
>> what I need, and NVDA does not. Narrator is no slouch in Windows 10. I use
>> Narrator in many of Windows 10 universal apps.
>> I watch TV on a web site, where I need NVDA.
>> JAWS cannot access that site at all.
>> On my mobile Facebook page, JAWS does a much better job than NVDA.
>> So, here is my recommendation:
>> You need to be very fluent in JAWS, NVDA, and Narrator, and you will be
>> able to access almost everything that a sighted person does.
>> With JAWS, you must be comfortable with using the touch cursor, because it
>> memics swiping and tapping the screen with the keyboard. That is what you
>> need to use many of the Windows 10 universal apps.
>> NVDA, has the great option of being able to route the mouse pointer right
>> to where the focus is. JAWS has no command to do that. Routing the JAWS
>> cursor to the PC cursor works for me, about 10 percent of the time. NVDA
>> is much different, because you can move the pointer with your mouse, and
>> route the pointer right to where you are at on any object. NVDA allows you
>> to route the mouse pointer to where you are, and then you can do a click
>> with your mouse. That is the only way I can interact with many controls on
>> media pages and the like.
>> Please let me know what I can do for you, because I have many tutorials on
>> using NVDA, and JAWS with Windows 10.
>> You need to use three browsers as well.
>> Chrome is the best, then Firefox, and IE 11, should be your very last
>> choice, because it is very insecure. IE 11, should only be used if it is
>> an emergency!
>> Have a great one!
>> David Moore
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>
>> From: David via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 6:29 PM
>> To: mcommerf...@comcast.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Cc: David
>> Subject: Re: window-eyes open source?
>>
>> Could be a number of reasons, why the one screen reader works better
>> than the other, in a given situation. And without knowing more than
>> anyone else, it might all be guessing, should we claim to know the
>> reasons.
>>
>> For one thing, the commercial screen readers, are being developed by
>> ingeneers who are on some kind of payment. The longer they take, the
>> more a certain feature development costs. In reality, this will mean
>> that unless we want to fork out a thousand dollar extra for the next
>> update to the screen reader, they have to somehow limit how much time
>> they invest in one particular area of the development.
>> NVDA, being a more or less volunteer product, will not have this
>> economic barrier, hence the developers can take the time they need, to
>> have the feature in place properly.
>>
>> Next, any developer is only a human. We all tend to do things a
>> certain way, and sometimes might not have the full expertise in
>> understanding other ways to perform the same task. Most ingeneers are
>> stationed in an Office, at a fixed location. They only have access to
>> what the company lets them have access to, when comes to third-party
>> software, Websites and computer material.
>> NVDA, being an Internationally decentralized project, with several
>> developers spread out across boarders and facilities, will have access
>> to far more examples close to everyday life. Many of the developers
>> might be blind people, who finds it tricky to handle a certain task.
>> They can develop their new feature, or (du to the open-sourcing,)
>> modify an existing one. And, they can do so DIRECTLY on the very
>> website, machine or software, posing the problem. They don't have to
>> write any hour-list, hoping for their boss to pay them at the end of 

Re: webaim screen reader survey

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Josh:
I opened the link to the Webaim survey and all it said was, "the
survey will soon be available".

Kevin Huber


On 9/12/17, Josh Kennedy via Talk  wrote:
> hi
>
> the new webaim screen reader survey is out if you want to take it.
>
>
> http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey7/
>
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Re: Google calendar useability

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Joseph:

I remember training a client on Google Mail and I am pretty sure that
I showed her how to make an appointment
So with that in mind, I would say that it is.  Mind you, we w4ere
using Window-eyes at the time, so I am not entirely sure about JAWS.
Kevin Huber
On 8/30/17, Joseph Norton via Talk  wrote:
> Hi listers:
>
> I am considering working for someone who wants me to enter appointments into
> his google calendar after he gives me access to it.
>
> Have any of you ever done this, and can you share some tips on the best way
> to use it?
>
> Thanks!
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Re: Jaws browse mode

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Carol:

I just made that assumption, then I tried it and it was, as you list,
so I tried k and that worked.
In short, I made a wrong assumption without testing it first.  I guess
I was a bad boy!

Kevin Huber

On 9/1/17, Carol and Roger via Talk  wrote:
> I believe the hot key you are looking for is insert-z.
>
>
> On 8/29/2017 7:05 AM, David via Talk wrote:
>> News for you. At least with my installation.
>>
>>
>> In Jaws, pressing the L key, moves you to the next List. Not Link, but
>> list. Unvisited link, is U, and true V is visited link like in WinEyes.
>>
>>
>> If this indicates that I have a messed up installation, then how can I
>> get it rectified? Please.
>>
>>
>> Still, I am looking for the hotkey to turn off browse mode, since I have
>> to adjust the volume in a netbased radio player. To do this, I need have
>> browse mode off, and use the arrow-keys. But since I don't seem to find
>> the correct hotkey to turn off browse mode, I am just moving around the
>> page, when hitting the arrow keys.
>>
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>> On 8/29/2017 12:08 PM, michaels mail via Talk wrote:
>>> Jaws works the same as we v for visited links and i think l for next
>>> link.
>>> And inser plus f 5 will put jaws in a dialog box with all the links
>>> just like we did by pressing insert tab.
>>> Cheers michael.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: David via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 6:16 PM
>>> To: WE English Mailinglist
>>> Cc: David
>>> Subject: Jaws browse mode
>>>
>>> OK, finally, they managed to send me a license code for Jaws, and so I
>>> am ready to start my fooling around, for a bit more than 40 minutes.
>>>
>>>
>>> One of my first issues, is to operate the web. Boy, does Jaws take us a
>>> decade back in the way of operating the websites! Am I right, there is
>>> no single way to jump to the next link; that you will have to determine
>>> if it is a visited or unvisited link you are looking for? Sure, I can
>>> see the benefit of making this distinction - when you are visiting a
>>> page you know you have been before. But if you are browsing the net for
>>> something in particular, and you land by chance on a page you have been
>>> before, now you will have to remember that you have some visited, and
>>> some unvisited links to browse. Or, have I overlooked - even missed -
>>> some hotkey here?
>>>
>>>
>>> Next, seems you only can go to the next line of text, coming up after
>>> non-text controls. Meaning you will have to first find the start of the
>>> text block, by the navigation key of N, and then move your hand to the
>>> arrow-keys. Now you have to arrow, til you get to a non-text control,
>>> and then move your hand back to the main keyboard, to hit the N, so as
>>> to get to the next block of text. Again, if I have missed some
>>> operational feature, please will someone be kind to educate me?
>>>
>>>
>>> Most of all, listers. Could someone please tell me the hotkey to turn
>>> on/off the browse mode. In Window-Eyes, we have the Ctrl-Shift-A, but
>>> what is the equivalent in Jaws?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks so far. I've sure got numerous other things to ask, but they will
>>> go into individual threads.
>>>
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Re: Jaws browse mode

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi:
Insert-h will list all the key commands.  It also works on the desktop
or probably anywhere else that you want to use it.
Kevin Huber

On 8/29/17, brice Mijares via Talk  wrote:
> Disregard, this was incorrect info.
>
> On 8/29/2017 7:27 AM, brice Mijares wrote:
>> Try hitting insert W, it will list all key commands with in IE or
>> firefox. As far as I know, it may list all key command within any
>> program. And you are correct, K states place markers.
>>
>> On 8/29/2017 7:18 AM, David via Talk wrote:
>>> OK, I start to wonder a bit here.
>>>
>>>
>>> When I press the K key, it says
>>>
>>>   "No Placemarkers",
>>>
>>> and it does NOT take me to any new link.
>>>
>>>
>>> Whatever is going on, I don't know, but that is what I get. Now, if I
>>> turn on the Key-help, by pressing Insert-1, what do I hear, when hitting
>>> the K?
>>>
>>>   "Go to next Placemarker".
>>>
>>> And if I hit Shift-K?
>>>
>>>   "Go to previous Placemarker".
>>>
>>>
>>> Wonder if I have a different keyboard layout activated, or what else
>>> could be going on.
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, I did update my Jaws last night, and it is something like version
>>> 18.04. Don't know if they have some changes lately in the layouts. But
>>> apparently people are having different keystrokes acting up.
>>>
>>>
>>> Any further ideas, please?
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On 8/29/2017 4:03 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
 Hi David:

 First of all, the default key combination which takes you in and out
 of Browse mode is
 insert-z.  Insert-f7 takes you to a list of links.  Insert-f5 takes
 you to a list of form fields, and the letter k or shift-k takes you
 from one link to another.



 On 8/29/17, David via Talk  wrote:
> OK, finally, they managed to send me a license code for Jaws, and so I
> am ready to start my fooling around, for a bit more than 40 minutes.
>
>
> One of my first issues, is to operate the web. Boy, does Jaws take us a
> decade back in the way of operating the websites! Am I right, there is
> no single way to jump to the next link; that you will have to determine
> if it is a visited or unvisited link you are looking for? Sure, I can
> see the benefit of making this distinction - when you are visiting a
> page you know you have been before. But if you are browsing the net for
> something in particular, and you land by chance on a page you have been
> before, now you will have to remember that you have some visited, and
> some unvisited links to browse. Or, have I overlooked - even missed -
> some hotkey here?
>
>
> Next, seems you only can go to the next line of text, coming up after
> non-text controls. Meaning you will have to first find the start of the
> text block, by the navigation key of N, and then move your hand to the
> arrow-keys. Now you have to arrow, til you get to a non-text control,
> and then move your hand back to the main keyboard, to hit the N, so as
> to get to the next block of text. Again, if I have missed some
> operational feature, please will someone be kind to educate me?
>
>
> Most of all, listers. Could someone please tell me the hotkey to turn
> on/off the browse mode. In Window-Eyes, we have the Ctrl-Shift-A, but
> what is the equivalent in Jaws?
>
>
> Thanks so far. I've sure got numerous other things to ask, but they
> will
> go into individual threads.
>
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Re: internet explore

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Brice:

I used to use IE for those types of videos but I have since started
using Google Chrome.

I don't know of the top of my head where you can get it, but if you do
a Google search, you should find it.
Kevin Huber,


On 8/24/17, brice Mijares via Talk  wrote:
> Is there some way to repair internet explore? I normally use FX but was
> following a audio tutorial which was using internet explore but I kept
> getting an error message stating that IE had a problem  an had to shut
> down, or something to that affect. Any info will be appreciated. Thanks.
> If any question are need, I'll be away till later in the day.
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Re: Jaws browse mode

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi David:

I made a mistake earlier about the letter k taking you to the next
link.  The only way to go to the next link is to press the tab key.
Kevin Huber

On 8/29/17, David  wrote:
> OK, I start to wonder a bit here.
>
>
> When I press the K key, it says
>
>  "No Placemarkers",
>
> and it does NOT take me to any new link.
>
>
> Whatever is going on, I don't know, but that is what I get. Now, if I
> turn on the Key-help, by pressing Insert-1, what do I hear, when hitting
> the K?
>
>  "Go to next Placemarker".
>
> And if I hit Shift-K?
>
>  "Go to previous Placemarker".
>
>
> Wonder if I have a different keyboard layout activated, or what else
> could be going on.
>
>
> OK, I did update my Jaws last night, and it is something like version
> 18.04. Don't know if they have some changes lately in the layouts. But
> apparently people are having different keystrokes acting up.
>
>
> Any further ideas, please?
>
> David
>
> On 8/29/2017 4:03 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
>> Hi David:
>>
>> First of all, the default key combination which takes you in and out
>> of Browse mode is
>> insert-z.  Insert-f7 takes you to a list of links.  Insert-f5 takes
>> you to a list of form fields, and the letter k or shift-k takes you
>> from one link to another.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/29/17, David via Talk  wrote:
>>> OK, finally, they managed to send me a license code for Jaws, and so I
>>> am ready to start my fooling around, for a bit more than 40 minutes.
>>>
>>>
>>> One of my first issues, is to operate the web. Boy, does Jaws take us a
>>> decade back in the way of operating the websites! Am I right, there is
>>> no single way to jump to the next link; that you will have to determine
>>> if it is a visited or unvisited link you are looking for? Sure, I can
>>> see the benefit of making this distinction - when you are visiting a
>>> page you know you have been before. But if you are browsing the net for
>>> something in particular, and you land by chance on a page you have been
>>> before, now you will have to remember that you have some visited, and
>>> some unvisited links to browse. Or, have I overlooked - even missed -
>>> some hotkey here?
>>>
>>>
>>> Next, seems you only can go to the next line of text, coming up after
>>> non-text controls. Meaning you will have to first find the start of the
>>> text block, by the navigation key of N, and then move your hand to the
>>> arrow-keys. Now you have to arrow, til you get to a non-text control,
>>> and then move your hand back to the main keyboard, to hit the N, so as
>>> to get to the next block of text. Again, if I have missed some
>>> operational feature, please will someone be kind to educate me?
>>>
>>>
>>> Most of all, listers. Could someone please tell me the hotkey to turn
>>> on/off the browse mode. In Window-Eyes, we have the Ctrl-Shift-A, but
>>> what is the equivalent in Jaws?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks so far. I've sure got numerous other things to ask, but they will
>>> go into individual threads.
>>>
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Re: Jaws browse mode

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi David:

First of all, the default key combination which takes you in and out
of Browse mode is
insert-z.  Insert-f7 takes you to a list of links.  Insert-f5 takes
you to a list of form fields, and the letter k or shift-k takes you
from one link to another.



On 8/29/17, David via Talk  wrote:
> OK, finally, they managed to send me a license code for Jaws, and so I
> am ready to start my fooling around, for a bit more than 40 minutes.
>
>
> One of my first issues, is to operate the web. Boy, does Jaws take us a
> decade back in the way of operating the websites! Am I right, there is
> no single way to jump to the next link; that you will have to determine
> if it is a visited or unvisited link you are looking for? Sure, I can
> see the benefit of making this distinction - when you are visiting a
> page you know you have been before. But if you are browsing the net for
> something in particular, and you land by chance on a page you have been
> before, now you will have to remember that you have some visited, and
> some unvisited links to browse. Or, have I overlooked - even missed -
> some hotkey here?
>
>
> Next, seems you only can go to the next line of text, coming up after
> non-text controls. Meaning you will have to first find the start of the
> text block, by the navigation key of N, and then move your hand to the
> arrow-keys. Now you have to arrow, til you get to a non-text control,
> and then move your hand back to the main keyboard, to hit the N, so as
> to get to the next block of text. Again, if I have missed some
> operational feature, please will someone be kind to educate me?
>
>
> Most of all, listers. Could someone please tell me the hotkey to turn
> on/off the browse mode. In Window-Eyes, we have the Ctrl-Shift-A, but
> what is the equivalent in Jaws?
>
>
> Thanks so far. I've sure got numerous other things to ask, but they will
> go into individual threads.
>
>
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Re: not getting at my home e-mail

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Richard:

Another thing to do if you are not getting your messages in your inbox
is to check your spam.  One time a few years back I couldn't figure
out why I wasn't receiving messages from this list, and the tech
people at AI Squared couldn't figure it out either, but somebody did
suggest that I check my spam folder and, sure enough, there they all
were.  I just moved them back to my inbox and had no problem ever
since.  Of course, how you make them come to your inbox again depends
on the email client that you use.
Kevin Huber

On 8/29/17, richard kurlander via Talk  wrote:
> is the talk list still active? For some reason I'mnot getting my
> messages at my verizon e-mail r.kurlan...@verizon.net
>
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Re:

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi mrChikodinakaOguledo

My advice is that you'd better save that add-on and probably back it
up or something, because, eventually, the GWMicro.com website or
anything you use on that website, because, just as Window-eyes and
GWMicro are dead, that website will probably be killed at some point
in the future.

Kevin Huber

On 8/24/17, Dennis Long via Talk  wrote:
> There will be no more WE.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of mrChikodinakaOguledo via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 8:19 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Cc: mrChikodinakaOguledo
> Subject:
>
> what is next for gwmicro.com?  so far no more windo eyes but i am
> useing NVDA and a add on for dectalk from gwmicro.com
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the inauguration of Window-eyes

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi:
I remember when Window-eyes was first announced.  It was at Closing
The Gap in minneapolis Minnesota in Odctober of that year and I was
there for the announcement.  I even got a guided tour of the first
release in the GW Midcro booth.  Either Doug or Dan, whichever one
gave me a tour asked me how I liked it and I pointed out a key
conflict with a Windows hotkey.
I was still using JAWS then and it was made by HenterJoyce, before
they got eaten up by Freedom Scientific.  Funny how history repeats
itself.

Kevin Huber

On 8/16/17, michael fridey via Talk  wrote:
> Hi guys i sent Doug an email and got the responce below saying he does
> not work for VFO any more.
>
> Its a bit sad he did not get to say good by on the list.
>
> Doug was a good person and did his best for us Window Eyes users.
>
> Cheers michael.
>
>
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject:  FW: helo Doug from michael.
> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 20:08:39 +
> From: Julie Moore 
> To:   michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au 
>
>
>
> Hello Michael,
>
> Doug Geoffray no longer works for VFO.  His emails are being forwarded
> to me, and unfortunately, I do not have a forwarding address for him.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Julie
>
> *Julie Moore*
>
> *VFO™ *| Manager, Enterprise Compliance
>
> 11800 31^st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
>
> *T*800-444-4443 x6112 *F* 802-362-1670
>
> jmo...@vfogroup.com 
>
> www.vfo-group.com 
>
> *From:*michael's emails [mailto:michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 16, 2017 12:51 AM
> *To:* Doug Geoffray  >
> *Subject:* helo Doug from michael.
>
> Hi Doug i was wondering if your still around and working.
>
> cheers Michael.
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Re: can't read messages in outlook 2016

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Hi Richard:

I don't think that Outlook 2013 ever worked quite right.  I tried it
at home for awhile and I found that I could receive messages but I
could not send them out, so I switched back to Windows Live Mail
because that is what I had on my system..
Kevin Huber

On 8/10/17, Kurlander Richard (75) <rkur...@schools.nyc.gov> wrote:
> Never have been able to get it to work correctly. I check my work e-mail at
> home where I use outlook 2016 at work they use outlook 2013
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 10:31 AM
> To: richard kurlander <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: can't read messages in outlook 2016
>
> Hi Richard:
>
> I use Window-eyes with Outlook 16 at work and I find that Outlook takes a
> few seconds to display properly.  Even If I use NVDA, the same thing
> happens, so it is not specific to Window-eyes.
> Kevin Huber
>
> On 8/7/17, richard kurlander via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>> using windoweyes 9.5.4 with outlook 2016 when I first open a new
>> message the message don't read, I have to close the message and then
>> reopen it so it can read. don't use vertalization and never did use
>> we9.5.4 and outlook 2016 at work use outlook 2013 no problem. only
>> time I use outlook at home is to read my work e-mail.
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Re: nfl game pass

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Alan:

I just want to comment that I have been blind all my life, so I am
used to references such as "look at that".  I just don't pay attention
and I am not the least bit offended.  When they say "look at that. He
dropped the ball."  I know that he dropped the ball and that's all I
need to know.  But of course, that's only my point of view and I guess
I can understand why many people do not share that point of view.
Kevin Huber


On 8/10/17, Alan Paganelli via Talk  wrote:
> The NFL season is about to start. The NFL wants you to shell out $99.99 for
> the 2017 season.  watching the games on television is worthless to me
> because they say things such as look at that! He dropped the ball! Fumble!
> where has if you listen to the radio, you get a full audio description. The
> NFL just can't get that through their effing heads. I don't need coaches
> Phil or any of that  crap.  I have been complaining for several seasons that
> it is not fair that I have to pay 100 bucks the audio pass only cost 40
> colors are year until the and FL got really. greedy. I'm just not going to
> pay them $100 this year
>
>
>
> Alan
>
> Sent from my iPhone 5s
>
>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 7:39 AM, tony via Talk 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I also had no success in listening to home team audio radio broadcast,
>>
>> tried again last night with tex/car no sound,
>>
>> have you had any success yet?
>>
>>
>>> On 8/4/2017 14:43, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>>> Does anyone know how  to access nfl game pass for 2017? I logged in last
>>> night and could find the audio for the game between dallas and Arizona.
>>> If anybody has  the number to nfl game pass digital care I need it.
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Re: been a great ride

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Sky:

As somebody who works for a vendor in Canada, I can tell you with
absolute certainty that we never told that to anyone.  I will admit
that some of my coworkers were under that impression at first, but I
let them know, and showed them if necessary, that that was not the
case.

It may very well be that your experience with the vendors that you
have dealt with tells a different story, I wouldn't be at all
surprised, but I know that not all vendors did that.  In fact, when I
wanted to upgrade to Windows 9 and get an SMA, my coworker suggested
that it would be cheaper to upgrade Microsoft Office to the latest
version and then download the free version of Window-eyes.

Kevin Huber


On 7/27/17, Sky Mundell via Talk  wrote:
> Also, remember that venders even lied about Window-Eyes. They said that the
> free version with office doesn't work in office, it is only a demo, it only
> lasts 90 days, it only lasts for a month. These were regular lies told by
> the venders.
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Karen Poulakos via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:55 PM
> To: 'Andre'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: been a great ride
>
> I, too, am a Window-eyes hold out.  I plan to stick with WE for as long as
> it works, and am going to explore my options for when I have to make the
> switch.  It will not be to Jaws.
>
> I have been a GW Micro customer since the days of Vocal-eyes.  When I
> decided to go with a Windows computer, back in the 90's, I tried both Jaws
> and Window-eyes.  Window-eyes was far superior.  My husband and I had a
> business at that time, and Rehab was involved in helping to make things
> accessible for me.  Although they were really pushing Jaws, I insisted on
> Window-eyes, and they came through for me.  Rehab really didn't have much
> to
> offer in the way of training, but The Window-eyes support was excellent.
>
> When you stop and think about how many years Doug and Dan have invested in
> GW Micro, retirement probably was a consideration.  It's just too bad
> things
> had to end the way they did.  I was really hoping that with the Window-eyes
> for Office offering, Microsoft would end up with WE, and would hire WE
> staff
> to work for them.  I really sensed that there were going to be big changes
> when that offering was made.
>
> Karen P
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+karen=poulakos@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On
> Behalf Of Andre via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:25 PM
> To: 'Sky Mundell'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: been a great ride
>
> As someone who used GW  Micro products from the very beginning, at least
> since in 1990, I miss WE already. It's a shame. Seems like perhaps Doug and
> Dan were deceived by AI Squared. Just my opinion. Could be completely
> wrong.
> It's appalling that Doug didn't have any say on whether AI Squared merged
> or
> was bought out by VFO. That left us to be devoured by the shark. Anyway, I
> just wanted to express that.
>
> What's the NVDA list? How and where do I subscribe? I need help with that
> screen reader. Thanks as always,
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 12:13 PM
> To: 'Tony C'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: been a great ride
>
> Hello Tony.  Yeah I can understand what you mean.  There are some people
> where I live who have never even heard of Window-Eyes, and even if some do
> here, it only by name, they haven't really had a chance to try it.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:43 AM
> To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: been a great ride
>
> Hi, I've dealth with rehab in several states and over the years nearly
> every
> onepushed Jaws, and some even claimed to not know anything about WE. I've
> also see a lot of "underhanded" things done by organization for and of the
> blind. One place devised a scam to get paid for clients room and board not
> only from the rehab that send client to them for trainning, but also from
> section 8, they were getting paid double for clients room and board untill
> the whistle got blown on them, quite by accident.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Don H via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 10:21 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: been a great ride
>
> I have been a member of this list for many many years and have received
> lots
> of help over those years.  Sadly I have moved away from Window Eyes and am
> now using NVDA as well as the free transfer to Jaws.  Thanks to Doug for
> getting us WE users that free Jaws as I would have never paid for Jaws.
> Having made the switch I know that WE 

Re: Good Bye

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi:

Let's face it.  The Window-eyes ship is sinking and VFO is offering us
a lifeboat, albeit for a limited time, so unless you want to go down
with the ship, or try to swim through the ocean, you'd better grab a
spot in one of the available lifeboats, (I.E. JAWS, NVDA, etc.
Not that i don't use Window-eyes myself, but I am using NVDA more and
more and when I get my JAWS license, I will probably use Window-eyes
less and less.  She was a good ship, but she's gone now.  Thanks to
that big iceberg, the VFO takeover.

Kevin Huber



On 7/25/17, Patricia Krinke via Talk  wrote:
> I am with you!
>
>
> Trish
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Butch Bussen via Talk
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:20 PM
> To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: t...@window-eyes.com
> Subject: Re: Good Bye
>
> I find it strange everyone is jumping ship.  Sure there may come a day
> when I have to go to something else like nv d a, but for now,
> window-eyes is working just fine.  It is fascinating how quickly people
> abandond something that is still working, because some day it may not.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
>
>
> On
> Mon, 24 Jul 2017, Pastor Gil Pries  via Talk wrote:
>
>> The time  has come for me to leave the list.
>>
>> I am a Jaws user, and not a Window-eyes user anymore.
>>
>> May all go well with all of you.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Good Bye

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Pastor:
I understand your decision to leave the list and I wish you good luck.

to the person who asked if Window-eyes will work with Windows 10
Creator's addition,
>From what I remember, Doug said a while ago that Window-eyes will work
with the fall Creator's  version of Windows 10, but one of us will
have to test it.
Kevin Huber

On 7/24/17, Pastor Gil Pries  via Talk  wrote:
> The time  has come for me to leave the list.
>
> I am a Jaws user, and not a Window-eyes user anymore.
>
> May all go well with all of you.
>
>
>
> Pastor Gil
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Re: Two Jaws Questions

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi:

I am not aware that JAWS has any hotkkey to get to the calendar.  I
just press control-y to bring up the list of all the folders and then
either arrow down to Calendar or press the letter c to get to the
calendar.

Kevin Huber

On 7/19/17, Dennis Long via Talk  wrote:
> I use Eloquence.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of CJ  MAY via Talk
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 1:47 PM
> To: 'Ted Larson'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Two Jaws Questions
>
> At last I have migrated to Jaws. I have to confess I'm not enjoying the
> experience so far but realise I need to learn how to tweak some settings.
>
> My first problem is that I don't like the speech! I strongly disliked the
> default Eloquence and am using Peter at the moment but wondered which
> voices
> people are using and feel are clearest.
>
> I think it is going to be a long time before I will be able to say I prefer
> Jaws to Windoweyes.
>
> I hadn't realised that insert c to reach the Outlook Calendar was a
> Window-eyes key.
>
> How do I access the Outlook calendar using Jaws please?
>
>
>
> Alison
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Re: winamp with jaws.

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Tony:

As I remember from using JAWS in the past, there oare ways to make it
stop talking as much.  One way is to go to the JAWS submenu, press
Enter on Options, then Basics.  In that dialog, there is an item
called "tutor messages announce, which is on by default.  Just uncheck
the box to turn it off.
There may be other ways to minimize the amount of speech, but I don't
know off the top of my head.

Kevin Huber


On 7/19/17, Tony C via Talk  wrote:
> Hi, I'm not overly impressed with Jaws either. I thought that after not
> using it for 13 years that it would have changed and greatly improved, but
> it really hasn't. It works pretty well with some things, but other thing it
>
> just falls flat. There's a lot of "babbling" on stuff like Facebook, that is
>
> just an anoyance and unnecessary.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Charles Adkins via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 6:24 PM
> To: groov...@juno.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: winamp with jaws.
>
> Hey, Chuck here in Columbus. There are Jaws scripts for Winamp, but have no
>
> idea how to install them. Its a complicated process with a file path miles
> and miles long. Not an easy process to install them like the we scripts or
> apps as they were called. I hope someone can help the both of us. As for
> Jaws I am very very very underwelmed to say the least.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 6:36 PM, Sue J. Ward via Talk
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hello. I was wondering how to get winamp work with jaws, it does work but
>>
>> can not figure out how to get to say volume at such  and such percent with
>>
>> using the arrow keys when raising or lowering the volume. It does work
>> with window eyes how to get the same type of thing with using jaws?
>>
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Re: jaws

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Brice:

Unlike Window-eyes, JAWS does not automatically install a shortcut key
by default.  Sad but true.
Kevin Huber

On 7/13/17, brice Mijares via Talk  wrote:
> My laptop was setting idol and I heard it prompting me if I wanted to
> install jaws, I tab to the okay button and the download and installation
> began. 5 minutes later, I was prompted to reboot and Jaws 18.06 was on
> my desktop. I had to go into properties to re-inter a short cut key to
> get Jaws working again.
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Re: JAWS

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Skye:

Although you and I do not agree with what this guy, whoever he is,
said, I do not believe it was a lie.  It was his opinion.  If he had
said something specific about Window-eyes which was, indeed incorrect,
then that would have been a lie.
Kevin Huber

On 7/17/17, Sky Mundell via Talk  wrote:
> Hello Pan. Sky here.  I remember, not too long ago, you menshened on the
> list that their was a guy who wished you had JAWS.  Was he a vender.  That
> comment he said that it was crazy, was a deliberate lie and one thing I
> can't abide by is lies.
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home versus professional

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi:

I am going to register for the Window-eyes to JAWS offer, but I want
the home adition, not the pro edition.
Since my order has not been processed yet, I thought that I would get
a head start.  So I downloaded the non-tandem version of the  JAWS
Demo because I thought it was the home edition.  When I run it,
however, it says "JAWS professional.  I looked again   onn the
download page,
page of the FS website and there I found no demo of the Home edition.
How can I download a demo of the Home edition?

Kevin Huber
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Re: Jaws training resources

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi:

That second link works with Firefox, whereas the first one did not.
The first one worked with Google Chrome, and I haven't tested it with
other browsers.

I haven't read the complete article, but soffar, I like what I read.
Kevin Huber

On 7/18/17, Dennis Long via Talk  wrote:
> For those having problems with the original link here is a shortened
>  link.
>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ya4uredt
> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of CJ  MAY via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 5:09 AM
> To: 'Dwayne McNutt'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Jaws training resources
>
> A friend sent me this link yesterday and I've found it really helpful as
> not
> only does it list the Jaws keystrokes but gives examples of how they are
> used.
>
>
>
> http://www.sweetmansystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Jaws-Word-and-Inte
> rnet-Commands-with-Examples.htm
>
>
>
>
>
> Alison
>
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Re: jaws latest release

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Brice:

You just have to look at the version number.  If it is 178 point
something, and you have 18 point something lower, then it is free.  If
you are looking to update from version 17 to version 18, then it is
not, unless you have an MSA.
As I understand it, they put out a free upgrad every month, then they
put out a major upgrade once a year which you have to pay for if you
do not have an MSA.
I hope you can follow me.

Kevin Huber



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Re: query

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Anthony:

Are you saying that you unstalled the program from your system, or
that it just isn't in your program list?

Kevin Huber


On 7/13/17, anthony borg via Talk  wrote:
> Hi folks
>
>
>
> I wonder if anyone can help me,
>
>
>
> By mistake I uninstalled a program from the list, so now I want to know how
> to restore it back to the program list again.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance
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Re: OT about MLB game day audio

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi BK:

I too have Gameday Audio and I have found that Firefox is not totally
reliable.  Try Google Chrome.
By the way, what I do is that I play it through the AtBat app on my
IPhone.  If you have an Android phone instead, you could probably do
the same thing.  It is always reliable, but you should have a WI-FI
connection otherwise, your phone bill could go through the roof.

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On 7/5/17, BK via Talk  wrote:
> Hello, using google chrome, I found that listening to baseball games using
> the MLB game day audio player is very inconsistent. For example, the
> player will say it is downloading the audio stream, then it says it is
> now playing the game I selected, but there is no audio. In other words,
> it does everything it is supposed to, but I get no audio. This is
> strange because it had been working fine until recently. Anyone else
> have this problem?Any help is appreciated.
>
> Butch
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Re: switching to JAWS

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Albert:

The Read To End command is insert+down arrow if you're keyboard is in
Desktop mode and capslock-down arrow if your keyboard is in laptop
mode.
The passthrough command is insert-3 if you're keyboard is in desktop
mode and capslock-3 if your keyboard is in laptop mode.  (Note that
this is the number 3 on the top row of the keyboard, not the number 3
on the number pad.

Kevin Huber
)

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> I am in the process of switching from WE 9 to JAWS and would like to know
> what is the "READ-TO-END" command in JAWS, also, what is the JAWS
> "Pass-through" command?
> Thanks,
> Albert Sanchez
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Re: Reenabling the Thunderbird App

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Matthew:
Here are the steps to associate that set file with Thunderbird
1. Run Thunderbird.
2. Go to the Window-eyes control pannel.
3. Arrow down to Associations.
4. Since it is a pullddown menu, press the Right Arrow key to open it.
5. Arrow down to Current Association.
6. Tab once to Current Association and type in the set file name, in
this case, the Thunderbird set file.
7. Tab again and you will get to a Radio button with three options,
right the default is None.  Choose the option you want.
8.  Tab to OK and press the Enter key.
I hope this helps.

Kevin Huber

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> Hi, Folks.  Yes, there are some Window-Eyes holdouts, so here goes.  I
> reinstalled the Enhanced Thunderbird app for WE.  Am using Version
> 9.5.4.  How do I get this app to associate with Mozilla Thunderbird?
> Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao
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Re: OT Firefox question

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Tony:

Somehow, Firefox tends to have problems with some video and audio
contact.  Have you tried playing it on Google Chrome>

Kevin Huber

On 6/11/17, Tony C via Talk  wrote:
> Hello all, Reguarding Netflix: When I watch an audio described movie on
> Netflix using IE, I hear the audio description, no problem. However, when I
> play the same movie using Firefox, I do not get the audio description. Is
> there a setting in Firefox I need to change??? Thanks
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Re: Reciprocal Idea

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Hi:

First of all, there is a method of remapping the JAWS keys to whatever
you want,  but to remap all of them would take up a lot of time and
effort on your part and you would have to be verry careful that you do
not override existing hotkeys.

Secondly, I'm not even sure that a Window-eyes keyboard layout in JAWS
is even a good idea.  In fact, when Window-eyes came up with its JAWS
keyboard layout, it couldn't really mimick the JAWS keyboard because
of the difference in how Window-eyes was constructed versus the way
JAWS was constructed.  For example, in Window-eyes, as we all know,
the numpad arrow keys move the mouse pointer while the dedicated arrow
keys move the cursor, or the highlight, depending on which application
you are using.  But in order to move the mouse pointer in JAWS, you
have to go into "JAWS Cursor Mode".
  Kevin Huber

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> Hi, Folks.  Remember how Window-Eyes had a special keyboard layout for
> JAWS defectors?  Why couldn't the folks at VFO do the same for us?
> Besides, we had to go to JAWS somewhat kicking and screaming; it wasn't
> our choice.  So, how about it, folks?  What do you think?--Matthew Chao
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accessible Kindle bookreading software

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi:

Since my question is offtopic, would anyone who knows about the
software version of the accessible Kindle book reader please email me
offlist?  I have some questions to ask.
Kevin Huber
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Re: Jaws Scripts

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Pastor:
Unfortunately, I don't think there are any on the JAWS sight.  They
are scattered all over the place.  You might have to Google JAWS
Scripts.  Besides, when you download one, I wouldn't know how to
install it.  Perhaps that is because I haven't actually used JAWS for
a long time.
Kevin Huber
Kevin Huber

On 6/1/17, Pastor Gil Pries  via Talk  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I couldn't find any scripts on the VFO site.
>
>
>
> Pastor Gil
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Re: a short tutorial to assist Window-Eyes users who might wish to begin using NVDA

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Thanks Russ:

Gene Asner always does good work.
Kevin Huber


On 6/1/17, Russ Kiehne via Talk  wrote:
> I ran across the following: An NVDA user has written a short tutorial to
> assist Window-Eyes users who might wish to begin using NVDA now that
> Window-Eyes development is ending:
> http://bit.ly/2qCQXLx
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Re: Where to find JFW Scripts

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Mike:

The last time I checked, which was several years ago now, there was no
such central repository such as the folks at the then GW Micro had set
up for Window-eyes, although If I am wrong, and I hope I am wrong,
would someone on this list please enlighten us further.

I imagine that scripts from a reacent version of JAWS should work with JAWS 18.
Kevin Huber

On 6/1/17, Mike Pietruk via Talk  wrote:
> I realize that over the years probably thousands of scripts have been
> written for JFW.
> VFO, however, maintains no central repository where these scripts can be
> uploaded.
> How does one discover what is available for free or for cost?  Does
> someone maintain some sort of central catalogue; and will scripts written
> for a previous version of jJFW work with ver 18?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> From this day forward, it's going to be only America First, America First.
> President Donald Trump, Inaugural Address, 1/20/17
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Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Jim:

That makes a lot of sense, but since not everything is contained in
one menu system like Window-eyes, one has to know which menu to find
things like changing whether you want the name of a key that you do
not want spoken, or controling the speed or volume of your
synthesizer.  Of course, that wouldn't be too hard to learn.   Having
said that, although am a window-eyes user, I still am quite familiar
with JAWS.  I have to be, for my job as a trainer.

Kevin Huber

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On 5/30/17, Jim via Talk  wrote:
> Hi there!
>
> I made the switch from W.E. to jaws about a week or so ago, and for the
> most part have had little or no issues at all with the switch over.
> Yes, I did have to learn and memorize a few new key combinations, but
> memorizing is extremely easy for me.  Not certain of exactly
> what it is that folks have to learn that is more than memorizing some
> new keystrokes..?  Good Luck & Have A Good 1! de .
>
>
>
> On 30-May-17 13:19, Amanda Lee via Talk wrote:
>> Agreed with the exception that both don't always interpret the unique
>> issues
>> of controls and content  of applications beyond Microsoft and known
>> applications.  This doesn't really affect the typical user though so
>> there
>> is no reason why anyone should be afraid of the learning curve.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:52 PM
>> To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> 
>> Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
>> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
>> 7pm
>> UK Time
>>
>>  Hi, Then thing I see is that while there are some differences in WE
>> and
>> Jaws, the windows stuff is the same. There are some different keystrokes
>> for
>>
>> some things, but quite a few are the same. There's really not too much to
>> learn other than just remembering some new key combinations. Some of you
>> are
>>
>> acting like your having to learn some completely new out of this world
>> program. If some of you spent as much time learning the new key strokes
>> as
>> you do complaining about people selling their help products, you would
>> already be and expert. Could we please quit cluttering up the list just
>> to
>> bitch about stuff? I'm sure you can find list out there that are devoted
>> to
>> whinners.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:43 AM
>> To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The
>> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
>> 7pm
>> UK Time
>>
>> I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate of
>> Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we don't
>> have
>> any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the demise of
>> Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I have purchased
>> others in the past. I admit, some I have found very helpful and others
>> not
>> so much. While I don't intend to purchase one at this time, I think the
>> tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: CJ  MAY via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM
>> To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The
>> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
>> 7pm
>> UK Time
>>
>> I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a
>> tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can use,
>> but
>> why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and effort in creating
>> a
>> tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't think twice about
>> purchasing
>> Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money really worth spending.
>>
>> In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they were
>> always of a high standard.
>>
>> There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to
>> splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to undertake
>> such
>> a big piece of work and receive no reward.
>>
>>
>>
>> Alison
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Re: Message numbers in particular mailboxes?

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Jim:

You may have to exit from the email client and open it again.

Kevin Huber

On 5/26/17, Jim via Talk  wrote:
> Hi there Folks!
>
> It seem as though after deleting messages from particular boxes, the
> message number doesn't seem to change. For example, I have a box called
> important.  Let say there is 100 messages in this box and I decide to
> delete 20 of them. When I shift tab back to the important box Jaws
> still reports there are 100 messages in this box.  I frequently empty
> and compress the trash boxes so I don't believe this is an actual
> issue.  Does anyone know what I might try to get the correct number of
> messages in each of my boxes?  Thanks much! de
>
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Re: Which app is active

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Donald:

Go to the Window-eyes control panel, then press alt-a to go to the
apps pulldown menu and arrow down to app manager and press the Enter
key.  You will find a list of apps and there status.

Kevin Huber

On 5/30/17, Donald L. Roberts via Talk  wrote:
> Please refresh my rapidly failing memory.  In Window-eyes 9.5.4, what is
> the procedure to determine whether a particular script is running?
>
>
> I ask because I have the app for Ed sharp, but I need to verify that the
> script is actually running when Ed sharp is active.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Don Roberts
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Re: Getting to the meat and potatoes of jaws website

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Hi Paulette:
If you download the JAWS Demo, the manual, is under Help in the JAWS
control pannel.
Kevin Huber

On 5/27/17, Paulette Vickery via Talk  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Could someone please post the way to get to the area of the Jaws website
> where it talks about how to use the software, not just the hype? Also,
> please repost the way to get on the jaws email list. Thanks so much for
> your
> help in advance.
>
>
>
> Paulette
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Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi:

That is true for some of us.  I migrated from JAWS to Window-eyes in
the 1990s and it wasn't so dificult for me, but some people on the
list do need some assistance and there are choices for that.
I wonder if anyone has actually compared Brian's tutorial with Rau's
tutorials and if so, could someone give the list a report on their
findings.
Kevin Huber



On 5/30/17, Dennis Long via Talk  wrote:
> I agree.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:52 PM
> To: Tom Fairhurst; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm
> UK Time
>
> Hi, Then thing I see is that while there are some differences in WE and
> Jaws, the windows stuff is the same. There are some different keystrokes
> for
> some things, but quite a few are the same. There's really not too much to
> learn other than just remembering some new key combinations. Some of you
> are
> acting like your having to learn some completely new out of this world
> program. If some of you spent as much time learning the new key strokes as
> you do complaining about people selling their help products, you would
> already be and expert. Could we please quit cluttering up the list just to
> bitch about stuff? I'm sure you can find list out there that are devoted to
> whinners.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:43 AM
> To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The
> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being HeldOnline6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm
> UK Time
>
> I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate of
> Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we don't have
> any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the demise of
> Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I have purchased
> others in the past. I admit, some I have found very helpful and others not
> so much. While I don't intend to purchase one at this time, I think the
> tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CJ  MAY via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM
> To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The
> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
> 7pm
> UK Time
>
> I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a
> tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can use, but
> why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and effort in creating
> a
> tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't think twice about purchasing
> Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money really worth spending.
>
> In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they were
> always of a high standard.
>
> There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to
> splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to undertake
> such
> a big piece of work and receive no reward.
>
>
>
> Alison
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Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Steve:

I quite agree.  Brian does quite a few of these types of tutorials I
think and there is probably a cost associated with it so he has to
recover that cost somehow.
Yes, I know that  Raol has done some moduals, and they are verry good,
but maybe some people would rather hear it from Steve.

Kevin Huber
On 5/30/17, Steve Nutt via Talk  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> So what is wrong with capitalism then?  What is wrong with people making
> money if they want to?
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
> Sent: 29 May 2017 16:35
> To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> 
> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
> 7pm UK Time
>
> I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I
> will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the
> United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!
>
> For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some
> Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for
> it.  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists
> frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at
> just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand
> with
> smiles.
>
> Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand
> paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a
> download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it
> till I have learned enough to get stuff done.
>
> No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning to
> Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is
> possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have
> answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with
> workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely
> to Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help
> with
> Jaws.  Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for
> transitioning!
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
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Re: Fw: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Russ and all.
I haven't read the blog yet but this reminds me of when Freedom
Scientific bought out Henterjoyce, maker of JAWS, Blazie Engineering,
maker of braille nottakers and Arkenstone, maker of the Arkenstone
Scanner.  There were fears and lots of rumors that Freedom Scientific
would try to by out GW Micro, but we all know that that never
happened.

Kevin Huber

On 5/29/17, Russ Kiehne via Talk  wrote:
> I thought some of you would be interested in this?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bhavya shah
> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:02 PM
> To: blindt...@groups.io
> Subject: [BlindTech] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?
>
> Dear all,
> ‘Will VFO Acquire NVDA?’ has been a highly debated topic in the
> blindness community in recent times. Find out the answer to this
> inquiry with all the cogent reasoning, justification and arguments you
> may desire as I explore all the possibilities and probabilities in my
> new blog post.
> ‘Now, let me restate the question of the hour in a simplified form –
> will the VFO-Group, owners of the Freedom Scientific made JAWS screen
> reader, after phasing out its subsidiary AI Squared’s Window Eyes
> screen reader, venture out (caught the pun?) to buy out NV Access and
> its free and open source NVDA screen reader, and thereby establish an
> absolute monopoly as far as Windows screen readers go?’
> Post URL:
> https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/05/28/will-vfo-acquire-nv-access/
> Blog Address: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
>
> Feel free to drop your comments, follow the blog or share the post.
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Best Regards
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Re: Might be useful for new JAWS users

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Steve:

I didn't know about the touch cursor until a few days ago when I
listened to Jonathan Mozen's podcast where somebody described it.  Up
until then, I would have avoided it, since I had assumed that it was
only for computers with touch screens.
I think that that might have been what they intended it to be in the
beginning, but it morphed into something more useful for all JAWS
users

Kevin Huber.

On 5/30/17, Steve Nutt via Talk  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Actually the touch cursor is a bit misnamed, because you can use it with
> the
> keyboard.  But yes, it is great.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Martin Brown via Talk
> Sent: 24 May 2017 09:42
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Might be useful for new JAWS users
>
> I am a long time user of JAWS. A lot could be done to improve its
> usability.
> Sadly, in recent times, the opposite is true. In many instances I find the
> JAWS curser as a means of reading a screen just about useless. Instead, I
> now invoke the touch curser which I find will get me to information not
> available to either the PC curser or the JAWS  curser. To enable the touch
> curser, hold down the shift key and press the numpad plus key. You can then
> move up and down through the information using the left and right arrow
> keys, or if you prefer, by using the numpad keys four and six. To leave the
> touch curser mode, simply press the numpad plus key twice quickly.
> Hope this helps all you  new JAWS users.
> Martin
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Re: Tutorial Question

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Carol and Roger:

How do you know that, given that the webinar has not yet taken place?

Kevvin Huber

On 5/29/17, Carol and Roger via Talk  wrote:
> Short answer is that Raul's tutorials come from the perspective of a
> Window-Eyes user where Jaws tutorials give the impression that you might
> be a beginning non-screen reader user.
>
>
> On 5/29/2017 1:19 PM, Ted Larson via Talk wrote:
>> First, what is the link to Raul Gallegos' Jaws tutorials?  I lost it in
>> the
>> myriads of postings.
>>
>> Second, What are the differences between Raul Gallegos' tutorials and
>> those
>> mentioned in the end of life announcement?  I am trying to figure out
>> which
>> one to start out with.  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson
>>
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Re: Jaws and copy text question

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Tony:

F8 marks the beginning of the text to be copied, then arrow down to
the end of the text that you want to copy and press control-c.
Kevin Huber

On 5/25/17, Tony C via Talk  wrote:
> Hi, Using Windows 10 and Jaws. I was trying to use the F8 key to select text
> and copy it from a post on Facebook. I did it as usual but it didn’t paste
> when I tried to paste it. I tried two different times. Do you have to select
> text using the copy and paste function and the ctrl, shift arrow to select?
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Re: Link for FSCast on Key Labels

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

That link didn't work for me either.

The following link should get you to the FS Podcast page where you can
chose which podcast you want.
www.freedomscientific.com/about/FSCast.

Kevin Huber

On 5/18/17, net bat via Talk  wrote:
> no go..
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joseph Norton via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 8:45 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: Link for FSCast on Key Labels
>
> Hi list:
>
>
>
> Well, I messed up my own link.  Here it is, should get through without line
> breaks this time:
>
>
>
> http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast138-Software_Upda
> tes,Key_Labels,Eric_Damery_at_CSUN.mp3%22
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Re: files not found/Re: moving to the next page

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi:

The reason why those links didn't work because the last part of each
one was on a separate line, so you were trying to activate a partial
link.

I tried them just a while ago and made that discovery.

Kevin Huber

On 5/19/17, net bat via Talk  wrote:
> doesn't work.
> it says the page or file can not be found.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: brice Mijares via Talk
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 6:00 AM
> To: net bat via Talk
> Subject: Re: files not found/Re: moving to the next page
>
> Try using the context menu within your email client to download the 2
> PDF files. That's how I got them.
>
> On 5/18/2017 8:46 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
>> i get 404 errors for all of your links
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Paulette Vickery via Talk
>> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 6:59 PM
>> To: 'brice Mijares' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Subject: RE: moving to the next page
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> Below my name are a couple of links I got from the person I spoke with
>> when
>> I got Jaws. I think they will come in quite handy.
>>
>>
>>
>> Paulette
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> JAWS Keystrokes
>> > pdf>
>>
>>
>>
>> JAWS Quick Start Guide
>> > Start-Guide.pdf>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of brice Mijares via Talk
>> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:31 PM
>> To: Paulette Vickery via Talk
>> Subject: Re: moving to the next page
>>
>>
>>
>> Did you try control page down? Also, please send me a link to that PDF.
>>
>> thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/18/2017 3:55 PM, Paulette Vickery via Talk wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Someone from JAWS sent me a link to something called, JAWS Quick Start
>>
>>> Guide, in pdf format. I opened it and have the title page. Now how do I
>>> go
>>
>>> to the next page, using Window Eyes? I have version 9.4, I believe.
>>> Thanks
>>
>>> for your help.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Paulette
>>
>>>
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Re: converting to jaws

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Netbat:

In my opinion, charging it is a bad idea if you don't have the money
in the first place. (smile)
Kevin Huber










On 5/18/17, net bat via Talk  wrote:
> charge it! grin.
> even with a years worth of interest it would still cost less then $900 to
> buy
> it.
> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan Peterson via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 12:51 PM
> To: Kevin Huber ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: converting to jaws
>
> As I understand it though doesn't that only apply till the end of July?
> Because if so there'll be no way I'll be able to save up that much.
>
>
>
> Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
> -Original Message-
> From: Kevin Huber
> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 1:16 PM
> To: Bryan Peterson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: converting to jaws
>
> Hi Brian:
>
> Even if your retail copy is not current, you will get a substantial
> discount.  For instance, if you have WE version 8.0, 8.1, 8.2,  8.3 or
> 8.4, it will cost $130 in U.S. funds, and the cost goes up for lower
> versions.
>
>
>
> Kevin Huber
>
>
> On 5/17/17, Bryan Peterson via Talk  wrote:
>> I only wish I could. Unfortunately my retail copy of WE isn't current and
>> I
>>
>> can't purchase an upgrade. Fortunately a lot of what I used to remember
>> has
>>
>> been coming back to me.
>>
>>
>>
>> Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Armando Maldonado via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 4:11 PM
>> To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: converting to jaws
>>
>> Haven't got mine yet so hope things work out.
>> Armando
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Don H via Talk" 
>> To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:05 PM
>> Subject: converting to jaws
>>
>>
>>> So filled out the form to get JAWS two days ago, Got a Email showing a
>>> Purchase order for JAWS and a SMA for a cost of Zero dollars and am told
>>> I
>>>
>>> should finally get my activation key tomorrow.
>>> The zero cost for my SMA was because I had two SMA's left over for WE.
>>> Again wish WE was still toing to be a on going product but I don't think
>>> I
>>>
>>> could ask for a better deal in getting JAWS for free.  Of course VFO
>>> will
>>>
>>> still get plenty os dollars for all of us buying SMA's in the future.
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Re: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

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Hi Peter:

I think you have to hand it to Donald Trump.  It is an amazing feat of
agility to be able to actually walk around with one, sometimes both
feet in his mouth. (grin)
I'll bet you can't do that, Of course, Neither can I.
Kevin Huber

On 5/17/17, Peter Duran via Talk  wrote:
> Well, now all of you officially know that Window-Eyes is really dead!  But,
> why couldn’t most of  you (mostly well-educated and intelligent) folks
> figure that out for yourselves?
>
> That is  by no means a silly question.  Analysis of news stories, by
> independent researchers, over the past 6 months reveal that smart people as
> well as stupid people embrace “fake news” with equal relish.  Why is that?
>
> Also, lots of folks still believe that President Trump is “doing a good job”
> in spite of the fact that nothing has been really accomplished so far and
> that Trump apparently has no clue about the facts at hand.
>
> It is an intriguing question, pondered by sociologists, why approximately
> half of the population, in any given community at any given time, will
> believe “crazy stuff” if asserted by a “figure of authority”.
>
> Peter Duran
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Re: list of all jaws commands

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Hi Jeff:

The list is in JAWS Help.  Go to the JAWS Control panel by pressing
insert-j and then press alt-h to get to the help menu.  If you arrow
down a few times you will get to an item that says something like
"keyboard commands",  press the Enter key and you will be presented
with the list of JAWS keys.
Kevin Huber.

On 5/24/17, Jeff Weiss via Talk  wrote:
> Is there a list somewhere of all the jaws commands?
> I would certainly like to have such a list.
> thanks
> Jeff Weiss
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Re: for some nostalgia, here is a text collection of articles about Window-Eyes and by Window-Eyes staff from many years back

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Hi Russ:
I thought that was verry interesting and I remember some of GW Micro's
philosophies in the verry beginning.  Tpoo bad they had to change
their ways.  Maybe Freedom Scientific, or VFO can learn something from
Doug.
Kevin Huber

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> I thought many of you would be interest in this: for some nostalgia, here is
> a text collection of articles about Window-Eyes and by Window-Eyes staff
> from many years back
> http://bit.ly/2pVCiqC
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Re: sound cards

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi George:

I think you can, from what I remember, but I don't rember how it's
done and I do not have JAWS at hand to figure it out right now.
Kevin Huber


On 5/20/17, George Brechmann via Talk  wrote:
> Hello,
>  I have a Windows 7 computer with 2 sound cards.  In Window-eyes, I could
> have the computer sound through the first sound card and the WE audio
> through the second card.  Can this be done with Jaws?
>
>  Thank you.
>
>  George
>
>
>
> George
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Re: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

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Hi Tony:

If you have the six-pack of keys, what is the key on the top left of
the sixpack?

Kevin Huber

On 5/23/17, Tony C via Talk  wrote:
> Hi, I have a Logitech keyboard and my insert key is way up on the top
> row where the F keys are on the righthand end. There are three more keys
> after the F12 key one of which is the insert key. I have the 6 pack of keys
>
> but there's no insert key in there.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD,Inc. via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 10:33 PM
> To: 'Ed Culpepper' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?
>
> Ed, don't you have a regular keyboard?  If you do, the Insert key would be
> part of the Numpad set of keys, and not the one above the delete key.
>
> I do know  that there are laptops that DO NOT have the Numpad; for this, if
> memory serves, the CapsLock key is also being used as a modifier.
>
> No, I didn't address your questions particularly, I want to leave those to
> others to deal with more succinctly.
>
> Sincerely,
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Re: scam call

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Hi:
If you really want a laugh, go to Youtube and type "computer scams" in
the search area.
In a couple of cases, the caller is stringing the scammer along, until
the scammer wants the money, then the caller informs him that he is
being recorded and the recording will be uploaded to youtube.  Then
the scammer hangs up.
Kevin Huber


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> Now this is a new one.  I have gotten many calls in the past telling me
> that it was microsoft calling and that I had a virus.  Of course
> Microsoft isn't going to call you to tell you you have a virus.
> Now today I got a call stating that it is a emergcy and that my
> Microsoft lincese has expired and I should call a number to fix the
> problem.  The real shame is that someone just might believe this stuff
> and get screwed.
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Re: Installing JAWS

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Pamela:

The PO is the Purchase order.

Kevin Huber
On 5/23/17, Pamela Dominguez via Talk  wrote:
> Excuse me.  The PO?  What is this?  Pam.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Don H via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 11:48 AM
> To: Dave Basden via Talk
> Subject: Re: Installing JAWS
>
> I got the PO just as you have and it does not contain the activation
> code.  I called VFO and was told the code isn't sent until the PO
> generates a invoice.  They checked if the invoice had been created and
> when it was they sent me a Email with my serial number and activation code.
> So my recommendation is to call 1 800 444 4443 and hit the 6 key option.
>
> On 5/23/2017 10:35 AM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:
>> I filled out the form online to get JAWS authorization, was phoned to ask
>>
>> whether I wanted the home or office edition, and received an zero-charge
>> invoice for JAWS and my one SMA from Window-Eyes.  Now I have downloaded
>> JAWS and am trying to install it.  I am not sure what I am supposed to
>> enter as the authorization number though.  I don't see anything that looks
>>
>> right in the purchase order I received via email.  Was I supposed to get a
>>
>> separte authorization number?  Confused!
>>
>> Dave
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Re: question, when installing Jaws?

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Hi David:

I would turn off Window-eyes and turn on narrator before installing
JAWS, just to be safe.
Kevin Huber

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>
>I downloaded Jaws and now I have the .exe file. To install it, do
> I have to have window eyes turned off. Thanks for your help,
>
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JAWS and Remote Desktop

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Hi:

I am getting JAWS Home to put on my system here at home.  I think my
company plans to get JAWS Pro with the Remote Desktop capabilities.
Will I still be able to connect to their system through Remote Desktop
even though i have JAWS Home and they have JAWS Pro?
Kevin Huber
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Re: external synthesizer question

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Hi Charles:

You have to press insert-j to go to the JAWS Control pannel, down
arrow to Voices, press Enter and tab until you get to that setting.
Kevin Huber
go to the JAWS Control panel

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>
>
> Sent from my iPhoneI am using a usb Dectalk external syn. I can't find any
> pitch adjustments using Jaws. They were so easy to find with we as most
> everything seems to have been. I find we more intuitive. I was asked how I
> like Jaws by a friendly vfo person and I told him that their response was,
> "ok"
>
> I digress. Any help with my external dectalk usb would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck
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Re: Reading with mouse cursor in JAWS

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Hello Loy:

If you are using a full qwerty keyboard, press the numpad minus key to
go into JAWS Cursor Mode.  When you want to go back to reading with
the reagular cursor, press the numpad plus key to go back to PC Cursor
mode.

Kevin Huber

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Re: JAWS

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Hi Don:

I remember when I switched from JAWS to Window-eyes all those years
ago,, the neater interface was one of the main reasons that I
switched, as well as not having to change to a different mode when I
wanted to use the Mouse cursor, or JAWS cursor.  But that's all in the
past now and we will all get used to the JAWS way of doing things.
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> at least for me Jaws is proving to be more stable than Window Eyes on my
> Windows 10 laptop.  No loss of speech that often happened in IE 11 and
> Thunderbird is having no problems.  Must say however I think that WE has
> a much better User interface.  After the learning curve I think JAWS
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Re: jaws observations.

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Charles:

It is interesting that you say Window-eyes is more intuitive.  Of
course, I tend to agree with you after Window-eyes has been my main
screen reader for fifteen years, but I have heard several longtime
JAWS users say that JAWS is more intuitive than Woindow-eyes, so the
word intuiitive is a relative term I guess.

Kevin Huber


On 5/22/17, Charles Adkins via Talk  wrote:
> Well, using my dectalk usb I can't seem to figure out how to change the
> voice pitch and Jaws doesn't seem as responsive as we. I do also miss some
> of the features. I haven't found Jaws to be as intuitive as we but its only
> been a week for me and I keep going back to we after my fustration.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 22, 2017, at 6:36 AM, michaels mail via Talk
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys how are people going with Jaws has anybody had any mager probems
>> yet.
>> Has Jaws crashed in any way so far.
>> I find jaws quiet stable so far.
>> I use to have WE just stop talking in WLM and IE WE would always start
>> again with the hot key.
>> The only thing i miss some of the WE features.
>> Cheers Michael.
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Re: where do I go?

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Jim:

OK. To answer your question about the mouse keys, you have to go into
JAWS Cursor mode.  If you have a keyboard with a numberpad, press the
numpad minus key.

Yoou can read the document by pressing JAWSKey+ down arrow. The
JAWSKey is either the numpad insert key, if you have a numberpad, or
the capslock key.  I forget whre you set it, so I'm not much help
there.
I cannot answer your other questions.

Kevin Huber

On 5/18/17, Jim via Talk  wrote:
> Hi there PEOPLE!
>
> Just got JAWs downloaded and installed. Question, Where do I go to turn
> off the tab announce, the up/down announce and the space announce? Also,
> is there mouse keys that I can read the screen with? How do I go about
> reading the screen using JAWs?  And finally, how do I set it to say the
> words after typing them instead of speaking each letter?  Thanks Much de
>
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Re: converting to jaws

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Brian:

Unfortunately, you are right.

See if NVDA will work for you.
Its actually really good and improvements are being made to it all the
time.  If you know of a feature wgwhich you like to have included, you
can request that feature and will work as hard as they can to include
it.  Since the software is opensource, there ara a number of users who
contribute to the source code.

Kevin Huber


On 5/18/17, Bryan Peterson  wrote:
> As I understand it though doesn't that only apply till the end of July?
> Because if so there'll be no way I'll be able to save up that much.
>
>
>
> Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
> -Original Message-
> From: Kevin Huber
> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 1:16 PM
> To: Bryan Peterson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: converting to jaws
>
> Hi Brian:
>
> Even if your retail copy is not current, you will get a substantial
> discount.  For instance, if you have WE version 8.0, 8.1, 8.2,  8.3 or
> 8.4, it will cost $130 in U.S. funds, and the cost goes up for lower
> versions.
>
>
>
> Kevin Huber
>
>
> On 5/17/17, Bryan Peterson via Talk  wrote:
>> I only wish I could. Unfortunately my retail copy of WE isn't current and
>>
>> I
>>
>> can't purchase an upgrade. Fortunately a lot of what I used to remember
>> has
>>
>> been coming back to me.
>>
>>
>>
>> Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Armando Maldonado via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 4:11 PM
>> To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: converting to jaws
>>
>> Haven't got mine yet so hope things work out.
>> Armando
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Don H via Talk" 
>> To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:05 PM
>> Subject: converting to jaws
>>
>>
>>> So filled out the form to get JAWS two days ago, Got a Email showing a
>>> Purchase order for JAWS and a SMA for a cost of Zero dollars and am told
>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>> should finally get my activation key tomorrow.
>>> The zero cost for my SMA was because I had two SMA's left over for WE.
>>> Again wish WE was still toing to be a on going product but I don't think
>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>> could ask for a better deal in getting JAWS for free.  Of course VFO
>>> will
>>>
>>> still get plenty os dollars for all of us buying SMA's in the future.
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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Grumpy Dave.
You have every right to be grumpy.  Unfortunately, there wiill always
be, and have always been people who think that they can/should get
what they want through demanding.  I have always found, through
highschool, university and then in my job, a good attitude and
approach towards others will make them want to help you, but
apparently, some people don't get that and never will.
Kevin Huber

On 5/17/17, Dave via Talk  wrote:
> I am always taken a back by those who sincerely believe they have the
> right to demand help from others who have the skills or the knowledge.
>
> I see nothing wrong with asking someone for help, but to expect it, or
> demand it, just comes off as the ugly Entitled Attitudes we are seeing
> far too much of in the last few years
> --
>
> Most people who have skills, are willing to share them if asked politely,
> but when they are demanded, and there is very little Thanks after the
> help has been given, it produces a Smell that is very unappealing.
>
> I am not sure what to call this growing trend of entitlement, but it
> sure stincks!
>
> Grumpy Dave
>
>
>
> Dave 
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Re: converting to jaws

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Brian:

Even if your retail copy is not current, you will get a substantial
discount.  For instance, if you have WE version 8.0, 8.1, 8.2,  8.3 or
8.4, it will cost $130 in U.S. funds, and the cost goes up for lower
versions.



Kevin Huber


On 5/17/17, Bryan Peterson via Talk  wrote:
> I only wish I could. Unfortunately my retail copy of WE isn't current and I
>
> can't purchase an upgrade. Fortunately a lot of what I used to remember has
>
> been coming back to me.
>
>
>
> Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
> -Original Message-
> From: Armando Maldonado via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 4:11 PM
> To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: converting to jaws
>
> Haven't got mine yet so hope things work out.
> Armando
> - Original Message -
> From: "Don H via Talk" 
> To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:05 PM
> Subject: converting to jaws
>
>
>> So filled out the form to get JAWS two days ago, Got a Email showing a
>> Purchase order for JAWS and a SMA for a cost of Zero dollars and am told I
>>
>> should finally get my activation key tomorrow.
>> The zero cost for my SMA was because I had two SMA's left over for WE.
>> Again wish WE was still toing to be a on going product but I don't think I
>>
>> could ask for a better deal in getting JAWS for free.  Of course VFO will
>>
>> still get plenty os dollars for all of us buying SMA's in the future.
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Re: Jaws Questions

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Pastor:

First, if you go to the JAWS window and enter on Options, then arrow
down to Voices and press Enter, you will have a menu with two items, I
think one is make the change for all applications and the other one is
Make the change for the current application.
Since I do not have a full copy of JAWS yet, I cannot be 100 percent
sure.  After you have chosen one of those items, there is a dialog box
and the Punctuation settings should be there if you tab to it.

The sJAWS ReadAll command is JAWSkey plus down arrow.

Kevin Huber


On 5/18/17, Pastor Gil Pries via Talk  wrote:
> Hi,
> I am now using Jaws 18.
> I have a couple of questions.
> First How do I turn off punctuation?
> It keeps saying window-dash-eyes.  I want to hear windoweyes.
> Second What is the read all command in Jaws?
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Pastor Gil
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Re: contacting VFO?

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi:
I just got through to VFO Technical Support at (727) 803-8600
Kevin Huber



On 5/18/17, Jim via Talk  wrote:
> Hi there FOLKS!
>
> Talked to a lady at VFO several days ago and she was going to send me a
> download link for JAWS.  She took my information and I have yet to here
> anything at all..? Maybe I just haven't waited long enough, or should I
> try to call them again?  If the latter, I need their number again since
> I cannot seem to locate it in my e-mail or on my phone.  If easier one
> can send it to my personal eMail, wohlg...@gmail.com.  THANKS Much! de
>
> .
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Re: JFW first impressions.

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Brian:

I think that the pausing  issue is more likely a synthesizer issue,
but I could be wrong.
Kevin Huber


On 5/16/17, Bryan Peterson via Talk  wrote:
> Ok, so I downloaded and installed the demo of JAWS 18. I’m slowly getting
> the hang of it, though it’s taking me a while to figure out how to save
> things like my keyboard settings and speech rate and things like that so
> that they’ll be that way when JAWS first boots up. I have noticed, and maybe
> there’s a way to change this? that when reading a document it doesn’t seem
> to pause very long at the end of a sentence, so it almost sounds like a
> run-on. That may seem trivial to some but it does make it a little harder
> for me to follow what I’m reading. But I’ve gotten so used to WE that JAWS
> is taking a while to get reaccustomed to. But so far I might consider trying
> to scrape together the funds for it.
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Re: Window-Eyes users in the UK

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Ian:

One option is to use NVDA, from NVAccess.  I am sure that you may be
aware of it.
I have been using it for several years as a backup for Window-eyes, in
cases hwhere Window-eyes doesn't work.  It is free of charge but you
can make a donation
It is also open source software so if you can program in Python, you
can participate in the development of the product, either by proposing
changes in the main program or writing Addons, which the user can
choose to install or not.

Another choice is a package from Serotech called System Access from
Sertech.  I don't know anything about that accept that you pay a small
amount per year, like a subscription.

The other option is to continue to use your copy of Window-eyes with
the understanding that there will not be any further development on
the product, but.

Kevin Huber

On 5/16/17, Ian Westerland via Talk  wrote:
>
>
> Hi Doug.  Firstly, thank you for your years of input and service.  i
> have used and valued GW-Micro and Window-Eyes since 1995-96 and am sad
> to know it is no longer.
>
> I have no intention of changing to Jaws so am wondering what my options
> are.
>   Looking forward to hearing from you soon.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Ian Westerland
>
>
>
>
> On 5/16/2017 10:47 PM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:
>> Hello John and others,
>>
>> I've just been informed that if you are in the U.K. or Australia you may
>> submit your request to migrate to JAWS in the same manner as those in the
>> U.S.  Meaning simply go to:
>>
>> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate/
>>
>> Read about your options and click on the migrate form or simply go
>> directly there with the following:
>>
>> http://www.gwmicro.com/Window-Eyes/migrateform/
>>
>> Be as detailed as you can about your situation and submit the form.
>>
>> If you are in other countries you are still being asked to contact your
>> local VFO dealer to discuss the migration path details.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Doug
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 5:28 AM
>> To: Window Eyes talk 
>> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes users in the UK
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> I had forgotten that you were also a Window-Eyes dealer in the UK.
>>
>> Aaron Smith just pointed out Sight and Sound to me when I asked him who
>> the dealer was in the UK.
>> I can repeat Peter's comment that Toby, in S and S, knows nothing about
>> any actions they will be taking yet and wants me to check his web site
>> periodically just to see if there are any changes on it!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards, John
>>
>> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
>> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Steve Nutt via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:04 AM
>> To: 'pete gurney'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Subject: RE: window-eyes users in the UK
>>
>> Hi Pete,
>>
>> Worse still, as a dealer of Window-Eyes I have also had absolutely no
>> contact.
>>
>> So to me, VFO haven't really changed the way Freedom used to do things,
>> they are not supporting dealers or customers outside the UK very well at
>> this point.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of pete gurney via Talk
>> Sent: 16 May 2017 09:22
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> Subject: window-eyes users in the UK
>>
>> hi all,
>>
>> having just spoken to the main dealer of Jaws in the UK Sight and Sound
>> they have confirmed that they have had no contact from VFO concerning any
>> migration offer for window-eyes users in the UK.
>>  they have asked me to speak to them again next week to give them time to
>> try and find out what is happening, but as of this minute it appears as if
>> there is no offer for users over here and we could be left high and dry.
>>
>> pete.
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Re: FW: whole migrating situation

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Richard:

We have to realize that Change happens whether we like it or not, and
we have to get used to it.  Many people did not like when DOS was
fazed out, if you remember, but we had to adapt and most of us did.

I don't think that anybody intentionally sold anybody down the river.
It's just that big companies eat up smaller companies.  That's the way
it is.

Kevin Huber

On 5/16/17, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
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>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
> Subject: whole migrating situation
>
> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using
> window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all
> of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these
> other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close
> to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader.
> I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow
> keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is
> a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have
> had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that
> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome
> any  more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel
> or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I
> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the
> cheat sheets that c
>  an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All
> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
> have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well
> as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
> Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne
> readers.
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Re: JAWS key

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Don:

The JAWS 40 minute demo, as with the Window-eyes 40 minute demo, is
meant to test hthe software's features, and to help you decide if you
want to buy the software.  Don't try to do any real work with it.
(grin)
Kevin Huber



On 5/16/17, Don H via Talk  wrote:
> Has anyone got their JAWS license key via using the web form yet?  This
> 40 minute demo mode for JAWS sucks to say the least.
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Re: App updates

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Robert:

You run Appget and find them that way.

Kevin Huber


On 4/19/17, Robert Grimwood via Talk  wrote:
> So why am I not being offered app updates? How do I get them now?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert
>
>
>
> On 4/18/2017 11:34 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
>> These are window-eyes app updates, guys. this is not any different
>> than normal.  i am certain that almost everyone on this list is
>> familiar with window-eyes appsthis is just that, updates of
>> associated window-eyes apps that have all mentions of GW Micro
>> removed, and are replaced with the name AI squared instead.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/18/2017 5:45 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>>> Same here. Something doesn't sound right. Besides, as another lister
>>> pointed out, WE is not even owned by GW Micro.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/18/2017 9:33 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
 I haven't received any Window-eyes updates in a long time!

 -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
 Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 2:17 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: App updates

 Hi everyone,

 I'm not sure whether anyone has noticed, but many, if not all of the
 GW Micro apps are being updated to reflect the merge with AI Squared.

 Hth,

 Rod
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Re: App updates

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Russ:

As was said, the version numbers for most of the updates have not
change so you have to update manually.

On 4/18/17, Russ Kiehne via Talk  wrote:
> I haven't received any Window-eyes updates in a long time!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Hutton via Talk
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 2:17 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: App updates
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm not sure whether anyone has noticed, but many, if not all of the GW
> Micro apps are being updated to reflect the merge with AI Squared.
>
> Hth,
>
> Rod
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Re: FW: Membership Problem

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Peter:

I have had to do that from time to time.  The first time, I had no
idea what happened.  I kept sending test messages to the list, and
they would be answered, then iI called GW Support who determined that
I was still subscribed to the list and that there is no reason why I
shouldn't be receiving my messages.  Then I looked in my spam folder
and there they were.  I moved every one of them back to the inbox and
my messages started coming to me again.
iI have no idea why this happens, but it is a simple fix.


Kevin Huber

On 4/12/17, Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm forwarding this message which contains most of the thread of a
> conversation with Peter, a list member, who uses Gmail to access the list
> and is having problems.
> Could you please read our conversation and see if you can help?
> I don't believe the help link Gmail provides within the error message is
> relevant.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> From: peter Chin [mailto:peter.chi...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 11:34 PM
> To: Rod Hutton
> Subject: Re: Membership Problem
>
> Hello Rod,
>
> Sorry, I can't ask on the list as my messages to it are still blocked.
> Perhaps you could ask on my behalf?
>
> When I write to the list, I get the following message which I have pasted
> below:
>
>
> Error Icon
>
> Message blocked
> Your message has been blocked by
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> . See technical details below for more information.
> LEARN MORE
>
> The response from the remote server was:
> Message rejected. See https://support.google.com/mail/answer/69585 for more
>
> information.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Hutton
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 7:04 PM
> To: peter Chin
> Subject: RE: Membership Problem
>
> Hi Peter,
>
> That's okay.
> I don't use Gmail myself, but you might try to See if you can find the
> setting for disabling all spam filters.
> However, it may very well be that Gmail does some filtering of spam by
> default, but I don't know.
> You could ask this question on the talk list.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> From: peter Chin [mailto:peter.chi...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 4:56 AM
> To: Rod Hutton
> Subject: Membership Problem
>
> Hello Rod,
>
> Since I last wrote to you, I have been receiving mail again from the
> Window-Eyes list but I had to go to the web page of gmail and remove most of
>
> them from my spam box. I am finding that more and more of the messages to me
>
> from this list have been moved to the spam box. I wonder why that is.
>
> Anyway, sorry for all the  fuss and hope I will continue to receiv messages
>
> from this list.
>
> Thanks again.
>
>
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Re: braille displays

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Joshua:

I have listened to some of the videos and it sounds like it might be a
year and a half to two years before it is out on the market.

By the way, was it shown at CSUN?

Kevin Huber

On 4/8/17, Joshua Kennedy via Talk  wrote:
> regarding the new 40 cell display? whatever it may be? Why would you buy
> a 40 cell display for thousands of dollars with old outdated
> piezoelectric crystal braille cell technology, when both the orbit
> reader20 is coming out real soon? And if you want more than 20 cells?
> Why not wait for the blitab braille tablet? The blitab will have a full
> page 25 lines of braille and I'm guessing 32 or 40 cells across. just
> look at the www.blitab.com website. or go to youtube and watch videos on
> the blitab braille tablet. I also know that the blitab with its full
> page of braille will sell for around or below $500. I can't wait to get
> a full page 25 line braille tablet for near $500! and if you go to the
> website you can sign up and pre-order the blitab full page braille tablet.
>
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