Re: [Talk-us] Civil Defense Sirens?

2010-05-03 Thread Toby Murray
Kansas just tested them this morning. There is one on the roof of the building I work in. But even looking at the high res (1m) photos available from the county GIS website, all I can see is there is something there but I can't pick out a distinctive siren shape. This would definitely take boots

[Talk-us] Getting data from ArcIMS servers

2010-05-15 Thread Toby Murray
My county uses ArcIMS to serve up their GIS data. I have received permission to use their 6 resolution aerial photos for tracing things in OSM and when asked about accessing the data, I was pointed at the ArcExplorer software. Now I just need to figure out how to use it. It seems like ArcExplorer

Re: [Talk-us] Getting data from ArcIMS servers

2010-05-15 Thread Toby Murray
familiar with this format and/or would there be much demand in the OSM community for something that uses it? Toby On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: My county uses ArcIMS to serve up their GIS data. I have received permission to use their 6 resolution aerial

Re: [Talk-us] Getting data from ArcIMS servers

2010-05-15 Thread Toby Murray
, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Toby, Toby Murray wrote: Oh cool. Do you know how to determine if the server is indeed running the WMS Connector and what the URL would be? I found a how to configure page about the connector which seems to indicate that it should live at /servlet

Re: [Talk-us] Changing Data Attribution

2010-06-13 Thread Toby Murray
According to the Key:source page on the wiki, an object can have multiple source tags. So if you go out and survey a TIGER road and discover that the name is incorrect you could change the name and add a source:name=survey tag. I guess this allows you to distinguish the source of specific elements

Re: [Talk-us] Aeroway=Aerodrome Modifier Tags?

2010-06-15 Thread Toby Murray
Another thing I noticed with the GNIS data is that it doesn't seem to distinguish between airports and helipads. There was an airport in the middle of my city and I wondered where in the world that data came from. Turns out the coordinates were off by a mile which didn't help but it is actually a

[Talk-us] Kansas extract

2010-07-03 Thread Toby Murray
I just downloaded the Kansas extract from cloudmade: http://downloads.cloudmade.com/north_america/united_states/kansas After rendering I noticed that the northern border was missing. Looking at it some more, the extract seems to be cut off about a half mile too far south. The cutoff for the other

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: [OSM-talk] Mapquest launches site based on OSM!

2010-07-09 Thread Toby Murray
It doesn't seem too far behind. Maybe a couple of weeks. New features I added in early June are there but a few I did more recently aren't. Also, I see they are rendering highway shields. Didn't I see a big discussion about that here recently? :) Wonder if they are using the route relations to

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: [OSM-talk] Mapquest launches site based on OSM!

2010-07-09 Thread Toby Murray
Well I took a look at the blog post with the technical details. They are using a vanilla osm2pgsql/mapnik setup, just custom styles from Cartifact. They mention enhancing mapnik. Have these changes already made it back upstream or will that happen in the future? In particular I'm guessing the

Re: [Talk-us] State abbreviations

2010-07-13 Thread Toby Murray
are there? It doesn't really make much sense to represent information about such a large area in a single point on the map. On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: I was commenting the other day on IRC

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: [OSM-talk] Mapquest launches site based on OSM!

2010-07-20 Thread Toby Murray
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:50 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:  Curious why they use a starburst symbol that looks like an explosion for the trailblazer shield, though. It's a sunflower :) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Community Involvement

2010-07-21 Thread Toby Murray
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:38 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: One of the goals of the chapter is collect this data and work with governments (and other organizations) who wish to make their data available to OSM. Great! So, even charging isn't an awful thing, if the rest of the

Re: [Talk-us] Abbreviation Police

2010-08-03 Thread Toby Murray
I'm not really speaking for/against abbreviations in general, just adding information. It would definitely be Pkwy and Blvd. The USPS has documented standards for prefixes, suffixes and any other fixes you may want. 208 pages worth: http://pe.usps.com/cpim/ftp/pubs/pub28/pub28.pdf Toby On Tue,

[Talk-us] Changeset 5393406

2010-08-12 Thread Toby Murray
So I was happily tracing a lake last night when I noticed a bunch of completely unconnected nodes with no tags in the area. I mentioned it on IRC and came up with a couple of JOSM filters to weed them out and ended up deleting over 2,000 of them around the lake. Looking at them last night I

Re: [Talk-us] Changeset 5393406

2010-08-12 Thread Toby Murray
Alrighty then. Glad that's sorted out. I hope my deleting a couple thousand of the nodes won't make reverting more difficult. As a side note, I was using the USGS NAIP imagery to trace the lake when I noticed these nodes. So on balance I don't think I'll hold it against you :) Toby On Thu, Aug

Re: [Talk-us] Changeset 5393406

2010-08-12 Thread Toby Murray
://www.microimages.com/geodata/us-orthophotos/ -Eric -=--=---===---=--=-=--=---==---=--=-=- Eric B. Wolf                           720-334-7734 On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: Alrighty then. Glad that's sorted out. I hope my deleting

Re: [Talk-us] Changeset 5393406

2010-08-12 Thread Toby Murray
Looks like it was actually Ian who posted this WMS URL a couple weeks ago: http://isse.cr.usgs.gov/ArcGIS/services/Combined/USGS_EDC_Ortho_NAIP/MapServer/WMSServer?request=GetMapformat=image/jpegservice=WMSversion=1.1.0layers=0STYLES=default; On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Toby Murray

Re: [Talk-us] What would you want done with TIGER 2010?

2010-08-23 Thread Toby Murray
I have been curious about this as well. In my opinion it would be great to be able to update untouched TIGER ways with the new data. I agree that this would likely have to be a county-by-county decision. Could there be a tool like OWL but that would allow looking at a whole county at a time to

Re: [Talk-us] Meetups around the US

2010-08-25 Thread Toby Murray
Bah! All you city slickers. I'm a 2 hour drive from any semblance of an urban area (Kansas City). I suppose if there were regular meetups I would probably make an effort to make it to at least some of them. Other than that, Denver is probably the nearest city but it is 8 hours away. Guess I need

Re: [Talk-us] Another regional bugfix feed

2010-09-27 Thread Toby Murray
Well just for fun I fixed one speed limit bug. However I am not comfortable fixing most of the speed limit bugs in the area I was looking at (Wichita, KS) because they are just points and do not describe for how long the reported speed limit is valid. The speed limit is 50 at this location isn't

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Tagging Consensus to Improve OSM (and address some of 41 latitude's concerns)

2010-10-16 Thread Toby Murray
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: This is why we have route relations.  It's getting to the point of ridiculous that we don't have proper rendering of something as basic as a route relation. Didn't we determine that Mapquest is most likely using

Re: [Talk-us] Highway Tagging Consensus to Improve OSM (and address some of 41 latitude's concerns)

2010-10-19 Thread Toby Murray
So to get back to the basics of this thread... I think we can all agree that we should (and are) using relations to represent highway routes and that we need to get renderer support for route relations ASAP. So then the question is what tags to use on relations. From what I have seen in the wiki

[Talk-us] About TIGER ways in Kansas

2010-10-24 Thread Toby Murray
So I just started my first blog on Friday night. I made the first real post today about a class project I just finished in which I made a thematic map concerning the TIGER ways in Kansas. I'm hoping it will further the discussion about the 2010 TIGER data. The blog made it's worldwide debut on IRC

Re: [Talk-us] Mapquest does (or did) use relations

2010-10-24 Thread Toby Murray
Odd. I-70 shields are only missing between Topeka and Oakley. On the other hand, all of I-135 is missing shields. On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2010-July/003672.html The results are a bit different

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate exit junction tagging

2010-10-25 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote:  Some have commented that placing exit sign information in the name results in a cluttered map because the name renders instead of the ref.   I agree with this. I am not opposed to changing however just to be clear, both mapnik

Re: [Talk-us] Route Tagging Consensus

2010-10-26 Thread Toby Murray
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On 10/25/2010 08:43 AM, Zeke Farwell wrote: For Michigan route 12: ref=12 network=state state=michigan For Bennington County route 16 in Vermont: ref=16 network=county state=vermont county=bennington I like it,

Re: [Talk-us] Divided diamond interchanges in the US

2010-10-28 Thread Toby Murray
A friend of mine found a flickr set from MODOT with more aerial imagery (not rectified but high resolution) http://www.flickr.com/photos/26387...@n06/sets/72157621103069705 This makes it obvious that there is indeed a direct link over to Norton and that it is open as you can see cars driving on

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging bicycle anti-routes

2010-11-04 Thread Toby Murray
Someone in my area decided to try and make a bicycle map. He used this scheme: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Class:bicycle And rendered this map: http://bikemanhattan.info/ Now I know people are going to complain that this is a subjective tag and that it shouldn't be in OSM. And I don't

Re: [Talk-us] Highway shields

2010-11-25 Thread Toby Murray
I think there is pretty good consensus on interstates and US highways as far as rendering goes. As I recall the debate centered about how to tag them and also whether to render individual state shields since there is much more variety and some of them may not look as good at low pixel counts. But

Re: [Talk-us] How to use 2010 NAIP imagery for tracing?

2010-12-04 Thread Toby Murray
Well I've been using it in JOSM for a good chunk of the day now, editing I-70 in western Kansas and eastern Colorado along my drive to wherecamp. It has been working pretty well. Every once in a while it seems to slow down a bit but it is certainly usable. I am using the tilecache in the imagery

Re: [Talk-us] NE2: Changeset 6612910: What is?

2010-12-13 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: I fixed up some of the U.S. Highway relations, most notably US 24, which was cut down to a couple ways in western Kansas for a few months. Hmm it wasn't me who broke US 24 out west, was it? I have been known to tinker

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

2010-12-15 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: How much of that is there, anyway? Look at the TIGER edited map. There is *lots* of untouched TIGER data in OSM: http://open.mapquestapi.com/tigerviewer/index.html?zoom=9lat=40.07546lon=-76.32layers=B At the risk of

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

2010-12-16 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: Looks like any road that was last edited by balrog-kun is set to red, regardless of where it came from originally. Yes, yesterday we determined that the TIGER edited map only looks at the latest version of a way.

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

2010-12-16 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote:    I don't know how to back to git directly, plus I have no way to test this, but I've attached the logic to check TIGER version as I understand it. At first I thought this wasn't quite right but actually I guess it might be. The

Re: [Talk-us] Open.MapQuest.com launched for the US

2010-12-16 Thread Toby Murray
Nice! Slight bug: It looks like amenity=bench nodes are being labeled with with push pins when you select the dollar sign labeled Banks in the show me this category bar at the top. There are no banks in this park. There ARE however 4 benches :) http://open.mapquest.com/link/8-qDCJmGzf Toby On

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports

2010-12-21 Thread Toby Murray
We have discussed [1] a cheaper way of doing it to at least be a better approximation and Antony commented on my blog saying that they would try to incorporate this. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2010-December/004977.html (and the following 3 messages) Toby On Tue, Dec 21,

Re: [Talk-us] Why addr:state rather than is_in:state?

2010-12-31 Thread Toby Murray
On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 5:23 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Having said that - this is what he had in mind when we invented addr:*, but of course if the wider community wants to use addr:* for different stuff then I guess we cannot keep them from it... It looks like the

Re: [Talk-us] examples of US County Boundary relations

2011-01-01 Thread Toby Murray
My county seems to be pretty good. I haven't done any work on the relation itself, just aligning the member ways. But I believe it is complete and well tagged. Individual ways are shared with the neighboring county's boundary relation which makes sense

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER edited map updated with Toby's suggestion

2011-01-24 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Andrew Ayre a...@britishideas.com wrote: Sorry, the village of Summerhaven, which I totally reworked in Sep 2009 is still shown in red: http://open.mapquestapi.com/tigerviewer/index.html?zoom=12lat=32.438lon=-110.75635layers=B I haven't checked every way in

Re: [Talk-us] Sevier Lake Anomaly

2011-02-17 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: The OpenCycleMap elevation data comes from the SRTM dataset, which was obtained by taking stereoscopic images from the Space Shuttle. I thought the R stood for Radar, not steReoscopic? But yes, SRTM data is known for being

Re: [Talk-us] USGS National Hydrography Dataset

2011-02-17 Thread Toby Murray
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Val Kartchner val...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 08:57 -0500, Phil! Gold wrote: (TopOSM also shows a lot of intermittent streams from the USGS National Hydrography Dataset.) Can we get this USGS dataset loaded?  It would be more accurate than

Re: [Talk-us] place=city name=Tri-Cities

2011-02-24 Thread Toby Murray
Seems like out here in Kansas/Nebraska a lot of cities are a member of some tri-city region but I think it is almost always made up by the local weather man who just wants a quick way to refer to this area here while pointing at his magic green screen. It is nothing I would want to see on a map.

Re: [Talk-us] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites

2011-03-04 Thread Toby Murray
*Like* The bicycle router picks almost the exact route I take to work when I tell it to avoid hills. One thing I've noticed is that starting and ending positions are kind of weird when they involve a building polygon. I'm guessing buildings are reduced to a centroid point in the routing engine

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites

2011-03-07 Thread Toby Murray
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I looked it up again, and I was partly wrong.  Turns out only five states disallow bicycles statewide on freeways:  Ohio, Minnesota, Maine, Indiana, Hawaii and Georgia.  The rest may allow it and post such restrictions at

Re: [Talk-us] Caltrans exit numbers

2011-03-20 Thread Toby Murray
For what it's worth, I did something similar here in Kansas. The Department of Transportation didn't have any obvious notices about copyright on the website so I sent them an email and asked. They replied and said that all the maps published on their website are public domain. So I added exit

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by ToeBee needs reverting

2011-03-25 Thread Toby Murray
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 2:56 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: User ToeBee has, in several changesets in February, aligned state borders to exact lat/long. The problem is that this is not how the borders are defined; instead they are based on work that the 19th century surveyors

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by Techlady needs reverting

2011-03-25 Thread Toby Murray
Thank you for the apology. I don't think that revert is going to happen though. Even if I agreed that this was the solution, it would be a nightmare. I did a lot of boundary work in that changeset involving splitting circular county border ways, creating relations, deleting superfluous nodes and

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by Techlady needs reverting

2011-03-25 Thread Toby Murray
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:49 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: That's nowhere near the extent of the damage. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?node=83787064 is supposed to be on the state line. On http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/topo/250k/txu-pclmaps-topo-us-moab-1962.jpg (a bit

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by Techlady needs reverting

2011-03-25 Thread Toby Murray
The western border has been aligned. I'm not in the business of making guarantees but in general I believe the error should be under 10 meters, compared to the TIGER shapefile. And yes, the shapefile has the border running a few meters to the north of the center of the Four Corners Monument,

Re: [Talk-us] semi-apology Re: Screw-up of borders

2011-03-25 Thread Toby Murray
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to apologize for specifically naming ToeBee and Techlady in subject lines, and any connotation that may have been attached to screwup. The former was my error at reading the tea leaves of node histories, and

Re: [Talk-us] US Interstate exit junction exit_to tag

2011-03-28 Thread Toby Murray
In rural areas, the names on the sign tend to be towns that may be upwards of 10 miles away from the interstate. Example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.0631lon=-96.2784zoom=13layers=M ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] US Interstate exit junction exit_to tag

2011-03-28 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Andrew Cleveland evil.salt...@gmail.com wrote: Though that might be making things more complicated than they need to be. Yes. It is unreasonable to expect mappers to use special characters. That is just asking for inconsistencies in our data. IMHO, if it can't be

Re: [Talk-us] REF tags for State Highways on ways

2011-04-08 Thread Toby Murray
Yeah... consensus would be great but seems to be rather elusive. Here is a case in point. Another mapper has been tagging ways on Kansas highways as K-xx which is how people usually pronounce it. Street signs usually just have the number inside of the sunflower logo without any kind of lettering

Re: [Talk-us] REF tags for State Highways on ways

2011-04-09 Thread Toby Murray
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 7:41 AM, Craig Hinners cr...@hinnerspace.com wrote: Of course, it would be desirable to have consensus on the syntax of the conceptual-level tag, be it highway:network:us:fl=123, or highway:network=us:fl:123, or highway=fl:123, but that's a diversion from the crux of the

[Talk-us] Another day, another bad import

2011-05-01 Thread Toby Murray
Every time I go editing in some new place, I always find another reason to hate imports. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5186568 I will contact this user and revert the changeset shortly. Dear importers: CHECK YOUR SHIT! kthx, Toby ___

Re: [Talk-us] Another day, another bad import

2011-05-01 Thread Toby Murray
On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote:  I didn't look very far, but http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5190419 also looks bad: old upload, all nodes, an area sampling shows a string of ghost nodes.  There are probably other bad imports there also. Arg! I was

Re: [Talk-us] Another day, another bad import

2011-05-01 Thread Toby Murray
So it gets worse. It seems that the failure of this changeset was probably noticed. Later the same day, another changeset[1] was created that uploaded duplicate nodes but also got at least some (but apparently not all) of the ways in there. Then some god damned bot came along and merged all the

Re: [Talk-us] Another day, another bad import

2011-05-04 Thread Toby Murray
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: If you can catch the xapi when it's up, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Xapi#Child_Element_Predicates might be easier. Unfortunately I don't think you can do both [not(tag)] and [not(way)], so you'll have to filter

[Talk-us] More bad NHD imports

2011-05-15 Thread Toby Murray
OK, seriously... I guess I just need to save myself some effort and start using a form letter for this. I was looking at more untagged/unconnected nodes in the area and found two more users who left a steaming pile of nodes in their wake: jumbanho:

Re: [Talk-us] More bad NHD imports

2011-05-15 Thread Toby Murray
jumbanho does indeed have nodes in Minnesota which brings his total in the area up to 10,569 And I discovered some new badness in Minnesota. Jeff Ollie with an impressive 60,290 empty nodes. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3845229 Most of the features uploaded by him seem to have

[Talk-us] Left over Arkansas parcel data (was [Imports] Importing Arkansas data)

2011-05-17 Thread Toby Murray
Just added talk-us since this affects the US map. To summarize for anyone new to this thread: Someone in Arkansas started importing massive amounts of parcel data against community advice and with technical deficiencies. The uploads were stopped and I was under the impression that they had all

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-30 Thread Toby Murray
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Nathan Mills nat...@nwacg.net wrote: On Sun, 29 May 2011 12:09:30 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: I'm thinking the differences between motorways and trunks are minor. Trunks may have intersections, motorways don't. That's the simple way to state my opinion. It

Re: [Talk-us] Registration discounts for OSMF-US members?

2011-06-15 Thread Toby Murray
FYI the early bird sale ends in 5 hours :) Toby ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Categorizing Stores/Restaurants

2011-06-19 Thread Toby Murray
One of the first times I remember having a similar thought of how do I tag this? was with the office supply store Staples. I ended up using shop=office but doing a quick XAPI query now I see that out of the ~250 Staples shops mapped, the tags look like this like this: 6 office_supply 17

Re: [Talk-us] Relation roles

2011-06-29 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/29/2011 3:28 PM, Josh Doe wrote: On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com mailto:nerou...@gmail.com wrote:    On 6/29/2011 2:49 PM, Nathan Mills wrote:        It also avoids the

Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS import: condition tag

2011-07-15 Thread Toby Murray
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: By that logic all tags should have dates.  Perhaps a fair point, but not where tagging is. On manually mapped data, the tag is known to be accurate as of the day it was added to the way and can be viewed in the way history.

Re: [Talk-us] SR-96 partially gone

2011-07-16 Thread Toby Murray
Tiles are not being re-rendered after edits right now because of this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Power_Maintenance_Q3_2011 I'm not sure why it disappeared but if you look at the data, it is clearly there so I would wait until the current outage is over and the tile rendering has caught

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-20 Thread Toby Murray
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Henk Hoff toffeh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Val Kartchner val...@gmail.com wrote: And once we set our standard here in the US, how do we get it adopted world-wide? -

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-21 Thread Toby Murray
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: Shared routes use semi-colons, like any other multi-use object. ref=CA 60;I 215 or network=US:CA;US:I ref=60;215 Difficult to

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-24 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Jason Straub strau...@yahoo.com wrote: As the person that just got done labelling each TX state highway, I'll chime in here with some comments. For the network tag, I think that the labelling should be (country : state network : network within the state :

[Talk-us] California landuse import

2011-08-25 Thread Toby Murray
Frederik's message on the imports mailing list reminded me... I was going to ask if anyone knows about the import performed in these two changesets in California: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/9090477 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/9091078 The result is clearly

Re: [Talk-us] Planning to import speed limit data for Florida

2011-08-31 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/31/2011 9:57 PM, Dale Puch wrote: Anyways that is why I am interested in how you plan to attack it. I haven't started, but I plan to convert to .osm using gpsbabel and then use the JOSM 'routes' plugin to color

Re: [Talk-us] Planning to import speed limit data for Florida

2011-09-01 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 12:51 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/1/2011 1:19 AM, Toby Murray wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com  wrote: On 8/31/2011 9:57 PM, Dale Puch wrote: Anyways that is why I am interested in how you plan

Re: [Talk-us] Planning to import speed limit data for Florida

2011-09-01 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/1/2011 2:16 AM, Toby Murray wrote: http://ni.kwsn.net/~toby/OSM/FL_maxspeed.osm.gz If you have trouble dealing with the extra spaces I can clean it up tomorrow. Bed time now. But it looks like it is just putting

Re: [Talk-us] access=destination vs access=private

2011-09-11 Thread Toby Murray
Re: Kansas Every person riding a bicycle upon a roadway shall be granted all of the rights and shall be subject to all of the duties applicable to the driver of a vehicle ... Toby On Sep 9, 2011 10:00 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 23:55 -0400, Anthony wrote:

Re: [Talk-us] Brainstorm: What should a US map of OSM data look like

2011-09-12 Thread Toby Murray
This might be partially a tagging issue but I think it affects rendering too. It would be nice to change the zoom level at which cities/towns are rendered in rural areas. I should not be able to get a map with no place names on it in western Kansas Toby On Sep 12, 2011 6:15 PM, Jeffrey Ollie

Re: [Talk-us] Brainstorm: What should a US map of OSM data look like

2011-09-13 Thread Toby Murray
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com wrote: Towns appear at zoom level 9 in Mapnik, which seems pretty decent to me.  There are tagged towns in SW Kansas that show up, but some villages probably need retagging to towns in the N and W.  The Place page

Re: [Talk-us] California landuse import

2011-09-21 Thread Toby Murray
/9365434 These changesets are all nodes. I assume the ways are coming in a subsequent changeset. This is pretty risky so I will keep an eye on this tomorrow. Toby On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: Frederik's message on the imports mailing list reminded me... I

Re: [Talk-us] California landuse import

2011-09-22 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:59 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: I heard back from the user - this import is described at http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2010-October/000673.html I'm following up on using smarter-sort.py for subsequent work, as well as using a separate

Re: [Talk-us] Announcement: Address Improvement project

2011-10-04 Thread Toby Murray
I would put splitting cardinal directions out into their own tag on the same level as breaking them out on streets. I'm sure some people do it (in fact I seem to recall a discussion about that a few months ago?) but I don't plan on making it a priority for myself any time soon. The one address

Re: [Talk-us] FYI - user Justinb in western GA

2011-10-07 Thread Toby Murray
Some of his combinations seem to be mostly harmless except to tiger tags. For example I see at least one where he combined two ways that crossed a county line so the tiger:county tag is doubled up. But yeah several are definitely bad and end up with things like lanes=2;3;4 Wonder if this is

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Crossovers

2011-10-07 Thread Toby Murray
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: highway=service, access=no I haven't added any myself but when I have come across some that were in TIGER data (imported as residential or somesuch nonsense) this is how I have retagged them. Toby

[Talk-us] Big Baseball Project

2011-10-16 Thread Toby Murray
So I just noticed that this was never sent to talk-us. Some of you have probably already seen it but for those who haven't: http://opengeodata.org/big-baseball-project-2011 It is an easy thing for new users to do. I got someone to sign up with OSM to add some fields in the Kansas City area. And

[Talk-us] NE2 doing mass retaggings

2011-10-19 Thread Toby Murray
So NE2 just did a bunch of work on Kansas highway relations. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/NE2/edits Some of it was ok but he also removed the name=* tag from the 60-something relations I have already done. I know that the name tag isn't really needed for some of these relations but it is a

Re: [Talk-us] NE2 doing mass retaggings

2011-10-20 Thread Toby Murray
Well this may not be ideal but there were already some conflicts creeping in so I decided to pull local rank and revert since by tomorrow night there would probably be a lot more conflicts. Sorry for undoing what I'm sure was a good chunk of work but unilaterally retagging other peoples work on a

Re: [Talk-us] NE2 doing mass retaggings

2011-10-20 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: I see I have some new enemies, and the old ones are coming back to slander me. The fact that you keep making new enemies might be something to stop and think about. And for the record, I'm not really an enemy... I do

Re: [Talk-us] NE2 doing mass retaggings

2011-10-20 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/20/2011 10:40 AM, Toby Murray wrote: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com  wrote: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2011-March/005466.html I might add

Re: [Talk-us] County borders vs. State borders

2011-10-21 Thread Toby Murray
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Alexander Roalter alexan...@roalter.it wrote: I'll be pushing Michigan back for a bit and continue westwards of Iowa. FYI I've already relationalized the counties in most states west of Iowa. The first few I did I did not combine with the state boundaries though.

Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

2011-11-01 Thread Toby Murray
I noticed the Arkansas import[1] in Bentonville as I was driving through. When I went back and added a few things along the way it seemed to be of pretty good quality although I didn't look at it too closely. As wary as I am of imports, I do think addresses are one of the things that CAN actually

Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

2011-11-02 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Which brings me to the conclusion that there's no point in importing TIGER address information.  A geocoder can simply try to find the address in OSM, and fall back to TIGER if the address isn't in OSM. Then, once the lat/lon is

Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

2011-11-02 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 17:14:03 -0600 Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: But let's discuss: are address imports useful (I say yes, for geocoding and routing they're indispensable), necessary (I say yes, potential

Re: [Talk-us] Now you can see how much vandalism the OSMF will carry out on April Fools

2011-12-14 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:33 AM, CrystalWalrein closed...@hotmail.com wrote:

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] US Golf Courses from GNIS

2011-12-21 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Golf Geek golfgeek2...@hotmail.com wrote: After reviewing the Import/Guidelines wiki, I realize I should have posted here first, but here's a quick after action report on a recent import. Better late than never. :) Why didn't you read this before the import?

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] US Golf Courses from GNIS

2011-12-21 Thread Toby Murray
://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/43332671 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/42280171 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/98180901 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/129025203 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/126614718 Toby On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur

Re: [Talk-us] Medians and reverts

2011-12-22 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: the difference in speed between the HOV lane and general access is frequently in excess of 60 MPH during peak traffic periods in sections where the HOV lane is isolated. Which brings up another point that the speed

[Talk-us] Anyone in Dallas?

2011-12-27 Thread Toby Murray
So it looks like I'll be spending a few days before the new year in Richardson. Anyone in the Dallas area who wants to get together for a beer or something? When I looked for a mapping event on meetup.com in the Dallas area I got back, among other things, Starting Over: Divorce Recovery soo... not

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2011 Release

2011-12-29 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 5:10 AM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: BTW, it is interesting (to say the least) that hte TIGER 2011 data appears to have address info in it for all roads. Once the licence change is complete and our dat is stable then this must be of considerable

Re: [Talk-us] User adding many Safeway grocery stores, with ref number in name

2012-01-08 Thread Toby Murray
I actually contacted this person a while ago and kind of forgot to follow up. I suggested putting the store number in the ref tag. Part of his response: Hi, I am a Vons employe and as apart of my training we have been told to call all stores as by their proper name like in Brea (the store I work

Re: [Talk-us] Semi-import of TIGER 2011 in a small area

2012-01-11 Thread Toby Murray
Thanks for sharing the details. I have done some limited mapping based on TIGER 2010 and 2011 data. But so far I've done it by hand. Drawing ways from bing and then copying the name from TIGER. This works for the few small neighborhoods I've done it with but assuming no one has any improvements to

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-13 Thread Toby Murray
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Peter Dobratz pe...@dobratz.us wrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 1/13/2012 10:49 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: * Remap data that remains at risk of being removed, following the guidelines on the wiki (see links below).

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