Re[2]: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : ASK I just checked... Control Panel / Add or Remove Programs shows TB ASK installed as 3.85.03 which is the MSI of the latest stable release. I ASK don't even have the int'l pack installed, always deselected it (the ASK built-in english interface is enough for me). ASK Whats really interesting #1 - I don't see the TB installation in the ASK control panel when I open it with my normal (limited user) work account. ASK Only when I log in as admin I can see TB in the list of installed ASK programs. ASK Whats really interesting #2 - I just started TB in the admin account (by ASK simply clicking Start / E-Mail, the XP shortcut to the default mail ASK program) and it loads version 3.0.2.10! I do have that version as ASK thebat30210.exe in my program files folder, but how does XP find this ASK version, especially since the installed MSI is 3.85.03? ASK I'm puzzled! wrong shortcut? -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias You whizzed on the electric fence, didn't you? - Satan Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA)
Hi Roelof and All, Friday, October 13, 2006, 1:40:03 AM, Roelof wrote: Hallo Bob, On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:01:31 -0600GMT (13-10-2006, 4:01 +0200, where I live), you wrote: BR Bob Riley in New Mexico, USA. moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Bob. (I didn't) ' Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. Thank you for that tip - I had for years seen the dashdashspacereturn above signatures but didn't know it had a functional purpose. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. I have, thanks to your mini-education, which I do appreciate. Bob Riley Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA -translated in parts
Charlene Ferrara wrote on 19/10/2006 at 08:07:05 +1100 subject The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA -translated in parts : Not yet. Doe she read this list? Thomas is a HE, AAARGH! Sorry, Thomas! Yes, he reads this list (afaik). However, there is a special topic on the German forum about translation and language files: http://www.batboard.net/index.php?topic=1717 -- Sincerely Hendrik Oesterlin - email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber-IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 215599852 - MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] - YIM moimeme666fr - AIM moimeme666fr TheBat! 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) and Regula Anti-Spam Plugin 2.2.2.0on Windows 2000 ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Howdy Alexander, Wednesday, October 18, 2006, 10:10:54 PM, Alexander wrotened: Well, TB did install its shortcuts in the Start menu alright, but I was surprised to not find TB in the list of installed programs. I know the feature you're mentioning with regards to the start menu and desktop shortcuts etc., but I didn't know that items in the control panel/arp sections could be hidden from one user while being visible to others. Is this maybe a bug in the TB MSI installation, or a feature? I dont know whether this is relevant as at the time of writing this I am only half awake. When I tried to install the MSi over the Alpha, it didnt work. Had to go back to the previous beta version. -- Have Fun, Stan the Almighty! crashing The Bat! v3.81.18 RC2 falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Follow vs. Locate Original (was: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA)
Hello Alexander, On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:57:20 +0200 GMT (18/10/2006, 22:57 +0700 GMT), Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK The context menu item Locate Original (available when you right click ASK a message in a virtual folder) has been renamed to Follow in this ASK version. I just searched the context menu two times before I found the ASK item again, thought I'd need glasses, so: ASK Why? I'm not running the Alpha. But I know that in the Search window, it used to be called Follow, and with one of the recent 3.x versions (that includes the latest release) it was renamed to Locate Original. I find Locate Original more intuitive. -- Cheers, Thomas. Lothar Matthaeus (ehemaliger Nationalspieler) zum Koks-Skandal um Christoph Daum: Wichtig ist, dass er nun eine klare Linie in sein Leben bringt! http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.85.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Paul Van Noord everyone else, on 19-Okt-2006 at 02:41 you (Paul Van Noord) wrote: ASK Is this maybe a bug in the TB MSI installation, or a feature? I guess it could be either depending on which side of the issue you stand. Having the option to choose the installation behavior would be an elegant resolution. I agree with you. However, I tend to think it is a bug in the TB MSI, since I can see all other programs installed on my computer in the list when looking at it with the limited user account - except TB. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Sie müssen sich Microsoft wie eine Bestie vorstellen, die alles verschlingt, was auf ihrem Weg liegt. (Matt Rosoff in 'Directions on Microsoft') Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
10/19/2006 1:29 PM Hi Alexander, ASK I agree with you. However, I tend to think it is a bug in the TB MSI, ASK since I can see all other programs installed on my computer in the list ASK when looking at it with the limited user account - except TB. Agreed! It is a bug. -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.86.03 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Maxim Masiutin everyone else, on 11-Okt-2006 at 21:53 you (Maxim Masiutin) wrote: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb38603.rar It should fix the problems with OTFE of previous beta, and should work faster than before. The context menu item Locate Original (available when you right click a message in a virtual folder) has been renamed to Follow in this version. I just searched the context menu two times before I found the item again, thought I'd need glasses, so: Why? I found the previous menu item much more descriptive than Follow. I don't follow a message when I view in a virtual folder, I'm already there. ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) There is virtually nothing that has come from molecular biology that can be of any value to human living in the conventional sense of what is good, and quite tremendous possibilities of evil... -- Sir Frank Macfarlane Burnet Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Alexander, The context menu item Locate Original (available when you right click a message in a virtual folder) has been renamed to Follow in this version. Not here, it still shows as 'Locate original'. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.86.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello MAU everyone else, on 18-Okt-2006 at 18:04 you (MAU) wrote: The context menu item Locate Original (available when you right click a message in a virtual folder) has been renamed to Follow in this version. Not here, it still shows as 'Locate original'. See subject. You are using 3.86.02 according to your signature... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Artists never thrive in colonies. Ants do. What the budding artist needs is the priviledge of wrestling with his problems in solitude - and now and then a piece of red meat. -- Henry Miller Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hi Alexander, on Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:57:20 +0200GMT, you wrote: ASK The context menu item Locate Original (available when you right click ASK a message in a virtual folder) has been renamed to Follow in this ASK version. I just searched the context menu two times before I found the ASK item again, thought I'd need glasses, so: ASK Why? ASK I found the previous menu item much more descriptive than Follow. I ASK don't follow a message when I view in a virtual folder, I'm already ASK there. ;-) I guess it depends on the language pack you use. I see on my PC Locate Original and on my laptop and with Voyager I see Follow. All use version 3.86.03. -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA :beta: on Win2K, SP4, 5, 0, build 2195 plenty of POP accounts, no IMAP, OTFE enabled Dell Latitude C600 P3 at 1002 MHz, 512 MB RAM Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Peter Meyns everyone else, on 18-Okt-2006 at 18:10 you (Peter Meyns) wrote: I guess it depends on the language pack you use. I see on my PC Locate Original and on my laptop and with Voyager I see Follow. All use version 3.86.03. Interesting. I'm using an english Windows XP and english TB. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) The problems of language here are really serious. We wish to speak in some way about the structure of atoms... but we cannot speak about atoms in ordinary language. -- Werner Heisenberg Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Alexander, The context menu item Locate Original (available when you right click a message in a virtual folder) has been renamed to Follow in this version. Not here, it still shows as 'Locate original'. See subject. You are using 3.86.02 according to your signature... You are right, I clicked on the wrong TB icon. But see my sig now, and I still see 'Locate original'. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hi Alexander, on Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:25:56 +0200GMT, you wrote: ASK Hello Peter Meyns everyone else, ASK on 18-Okt-2006 at 18:10 you (Peter Meyns) wrote: I guess it depends on the language pack you use. I see on my PC Locate Original and on my laptop and with Voyager I see Follow. All use version 3.86.03. ASK Interesting. I'm using an english Windows XP and english TB. Here it is German Windows. XP on the PC and 2K on the notebook. I don't think that the OS language matters. I think it's RIT's language pack which comes along with every MSI of the Pro version. IIRQ I ran the new installation on the PC and just replaced thebat.exe on the laptop. So, installing the latest language pack here, would probably result in Locate Original. I'm not sure though, if this applies to Voyager too. -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA :beta: on Win2K, SP4, 5, 0, build 2195 plenty of POP accounts, no IMAP, OTFE enabled Dell Latitude C600 P3 at 1002 MHz, 512 MB RAM Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA -translated in parts
Good evening dear list members, the recipient of a split mail gets a partly translated text reading this is Nachrichtenteil 2 of 16 parts announcing the transmission of several split mails to arrive, which should be completely in German. -- Best wishes Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Running 8 accounts POP, 1 IMAP [-] OTFE, Plugins, ext. Macros, PGP, customisation [+] 3 Virtual Folders, Common Folders, adapted View Mode Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Peter Meyns everyone else, on 18-Okt-2006 at 18:48 you (Peter Meyns) wrote: ASK Interesting. I'm using an english Windows XP and english TB. Here it is German Windows. XP on the PC and 2K on the notebook. I don't think that the OS language matters. I think it's RIT's language pack which comes along with every MSI of the Pro version. IIRQ I ran the new installation on the PC and just replaced thebat.exe on the laptop. So, installing the latest language pack here, would probably result in Locate Original. I'm not sure though, if this applies to Voyager too. I just checked... Control Panel / Add or Remove Programs shows TB installed as 3.85.03 which is the MSI of the latest stable release. I don't even have the int'l pack installed, always deselected it (the built-in english interface is enough for me). Whats really interesting #1 - I don't see the TB installation in the control panel when I open it with my normal (limited user) work account. Only when I log in as admin I can see TB in the list of installed programs. Whats really interesting #2 - I just started TB in the admin account (by simply clicking Start / E-Mail, the XP shortcut to the default mail program) and it loads version 3.0.2.10! I do have that version as thebat30210.exe in my program files folder, but how does XP find this version, especially since the installed MSI is 3.85.03? I'm puzzled! -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Science is a world of most unlikely truths. And if we have found that it works, we have only to thank the imaginative courage of men who were willing to fly in the face of their five senses, from the day of Galileo, to the day of Einstein. -- Jacob Bronowski Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA -translated in parts
Charlene Ferrara wrote on 19/10/2006 at 04:52:34 +1100 subject The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA -translated in parts : the recipient of a split mail gets a partly translated text reading this is Nachrichtenteil 2 of 16 parts announcing the transmission of several split mails to arrive, which should be completely in German. This text is actually not send to the recipient, but displayed only by TheBat. Other eMail-clients will show this message fragments differently. Just have a look into the message source code... or switch your language to french and display the message again... Did you already talk to Thomas Wölk about this translation issue? -- Sincerely Hendrik Oesterlin - email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber-IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 215599852 - MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] - YIM moimeme666fr - AIM moimeme666fr TheBat! 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) and Regula Anti-Spam Plugin 2.2.2.0on Windows 2000 ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA -translated in parts
Hi Hendrik Oesterlin, Thursday, October 19, 2006 you let us know -possibly edited- : This text is actually not send to the recipient, but displayed only by TheBat. Other eMail-clients will show this message fragments differently. Just have a look into the message source code... or switch your language to french and display the message again... One of my mailpals asked me if TB was mixing up languages and included the line of text in her reply. It may be a thing worth having a second look, concerning the translation. Did you already talk to Thomas Wölk about this translation issue? Not yet. Doe she read this list? -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
10/18/2006 4:38 PM Hi Alexander, On 10/18/2006 Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK Hello MAU everyone else, ASK on 18-Okt-2006 at 18:04 you (MAU) wrote: The context menu item Locate Original (available when you right click a message in a virtual folder) has been renamed to Follow in this version. Not here, it still shows as 'Locate original'. ASK See subject. You are using 3.86.02 according to your signature... Locate is used here. -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.86.03 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
10/18/2006 4:47 PM Hi Alexander, On 10/18/2006 Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK Whats really interesting #1 - I don't see the TB installation in the ASK control panel when I open it with my normal (limited user) work account. ASK Only when I log in as admin I can see TB in the list of installed ASK programs. ASK Whats really interesting #2 - I just started TB in the admin account (by ASK simply clicking Start / E-Mail, the XP shortcut to the default mail ASK program) and it loads version 3.0.2.10! I do have that version as ASK thebat30210.exe in my program files folder, but how does XP find this ASK version, especially since the installed MSI is 3.85.03? ASK I'm puzzled! I get irritated when I have multiple users wanting their own desktop, etc. but share a single email account. I have not found a way to install TB so that it is available to selected, or all, users on a given machine. I think we should have an installation option to make it available to all users when desired as Opera, Irfanview and other good programs. -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.86.03 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA -translated in parts
Hi Charlene Ferrara, Wednesday, October 18, 2006 you let us know -possibly edited- : Not yet. Doe she read this list? Thomas is a HE, AAARGH! Sorry, Thomas! -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Paul Van Noord everyone else, on 18-Okt-2006 at 22:50 you (Paul Van Noord) wrote: I get irritated when I have multiple users wanting their own desktop, etc. but share a single email account. Thats not a problem here. My admin account and my normal work account don't share the same mail data, in fact the admin account doesn't even have/use any mail account. I treat my user account as my personal account and keep the admin account free from any personalisation (other than those that help me do administrative tasks). I have not found a way to install TB so that it is available to selected, or all, users on a given machine. I think we should have an installation option to make it available to all users when desired as Opera, Irfanview and other good programs. Well, TB did install its shortcuts in the Start menu alright, but I was surprised to not find TB in the list of installed programs. I know the feature you're mentioning with regards to the start menu and desktop shortcuts etc., but I didn't know that items in the control panel/arp sections could be hidden from one user while being visible to others. Is this maybe a bug in the TB MSI installation, or a feature? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) One of life's mysteries is how a two pound box of candy can make a woman gain five pounds. Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello MAU everyone else, on 18-Okt-2006 at 18:28 you (MAU) wrote: But see my sig now, and I still see 'Locate original'. As Peter Meyns pointed out, it may have to do with installed languages aka the int'l pack which is part of the professional version. Are you using these? I'm using TB without extra language files. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) It's a dog eat dog world out there, and I'm wearing Milk-Bone underwear. (Norm Peterson) Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Paul Van Noord everyone else, on 18-Okt-2006 at 22:38 you (Paul Van Noord) wrote: Locate is used here. Aw crap, my mistake. I must've started 3.0.2.10 in my admin account recently and set the associations to this old version accidentally. SORRY for the confusion, its all as it should be (locate original). Funny thing is, I didn't even notice the difference between the two versions... ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed. -Carl Jung Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Alexander, But see my sig now, and I still see 'Locate original'. As Peter Meyns pointed out, it may have to do with installed languages aka the int'l pack which is part of the professional version. Are you using these? I'm using TB without extra language files. No I don't use Int pack either. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
10/18/2006 8:39 PM Hi Alexander, ASK Is this maybe a bug in the TB MSI installation, or a feature? I guess it could be either depending on which side of the issue you stand. Having the option to choose the installation behavior would be an elegant resolution. -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.86.03 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug 2291 (The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA)
Hello Peter, Saturday, October 14, 2006, 2:30:04 AM, you wrote: HO You could see it this way, but why the print-button is not greyed out HO if it is not intended to work correctly? PO When I'm set to go on a holiday, being picked up by a cab at home, PO then train, plane, etc. Do you think the cab driver would inform me PO when trains are not on schedule or the booked hotel room burnt down? PO NAH! Let's see... After a retreat (in silence) in a monastry, you are heading for NY, where you will stay for a few days. The day is september, 11 in the year 2001 and the cab driver has been watching television all morning... PS: this message has not been written in favour of Hendrik's original posting. Nor do you have to take it personal [it isn't intended that way] Only couldn't resist it! :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 1:36:52) on Uno AMD Duron Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006, at 07:18:19 [GMT +0200] (which was 7:18 where I live) Henk M. de Bruijn wrote: HMdB On Thu, 12 Oct 2006, at 00:04:59 [GMT +0200] (which was 0:04 where I HMdB live) Marek Mikus wrote: MM Wednesday, October 11, 2006, Maxim Masiutin wrote: But when I tried to insert a smiley with the Insert Smiley button I got messages Canvas does not allow drawing. The program did not freeze but had to close several windows with this message before I was able to close the composition window. Did previous beta also behave this way? I cannot reproduce this behaviour under Windows Vista RC1. Can anybody confirm this under Windows XP? MM I can't confirm too under XP SP2 with default icons set, no error appears. MM Maybe using alternative icons causes this? HMdB I am using alternative icons but have no time at the moment to test HMdB this. Will do that later! Leaving alternative icons out did not solve this :-( But as I wrote/typed next to this I can use/work with this version. -- Henk M. de Bruijn __ The Bat! Natural E-Mail System version 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) Pro on Windows XP SP2 PGPkey at: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0X11EECBEEB464DD0F Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org A progressive and innovative Web of Trust pgp7vqqxx2WWG.pgp Description: PGP signature Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Re: Bug 2291 (The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA)
Hello Hendrik, The bug https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2291 is still present and still annoying. (Incorrect printing of heavy images received as eMail attachment) I don't consider this to be a bug and I think your report should actually be a Wish List one. Save your images and use something like IrfanView or GIMP 2 to open and print them. After all, TB is just an e-mail client and not a graphics or image processing package. The fact that they are received as email attachments doesn't mean TB should fully understand them. Would you also expect TB to open and print *.doc, *.xls or *.pdf attachments if you don't have MS Word, Excel or Acrobat Reader installed in your system? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
On Thursday, October 12, 2006, 10:01:31 PM, Bob Riley on TBBETA wrote: Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 1:53:13 PM, Maxim wrote: Hello Tbbeta, It should fix the problems with OTFE of previous beta, and should work faster than before. But this ALPHA is not yet well tested, please use it with caution and let us know immediately of any problems that may ocur. I believe it is faster also. Congratulations to The Bat! Development Team. The Alpha does certainly seem to be faster... Faster even than the last release copy IMHO. Every time I see that ALPHA (beta) though I think of the movie Airplane 2 with the shuttle and Alpha Beta Base commanded by William Shatner. -- David Cá fhad é ó an tús go deireadh? Turas mór. Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Guten Tag Alexander S. Kunz, Well, even though I don't have an IMAP account its good to hear that TBs IMAP is getting somewhere. That most definitly lies in the eye of the beholder. I haven't tested the Alpha but the last final is as problematic as ever, in IMAP and everywhere else (runtime errors, won't close, principal functions not working and erratic behaviour in general). And I'd be willing to bet a butt and a nickel that the good ole' view-mode-bug is still in there. For my own, I'm staying at v3.0.1.33 for it is the last working version. Professionally, I'm working on phasing out TheBat from our network. It has proven to have been a bad choice: From my viewpoint TheBat is definitly not getting ANYwhere. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Alto Speckhardt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Maxim Masiutin everyone else, on 13-Okt-2006 at 01:42 you (Maxim Masiutin) wrote: Screens redraws (ie. when opening/closing a separate message window) are *maybe* a little bit faster than before. Maybe the difference is not there and I'm hallucinating. Either way, its still so much slower than 3.0.2.10 used to be. :-( Do you mean that screen redraws in 3.0.2.10 are much faster than now, with the same Skins/Themes settings? Yes, thats what I mean. Vili made a video of the slow graphics rendering a while ago. Here its not so bad as seen in the video, but its still very very noticable. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary, and those who don't. Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug 2291 (The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA)
MAU wrote on 13/10/2006 at 22:06:14 +1100 subject Bug 2291 (The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA) : The bug https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2291 is still present and still annoying. (Incorrect printing of heavy images received as eMail attachment) I don't consider this to be a bug and I think your report should actually be a Wish List one. Save your images and use something like IrfanView or GIMP 2 to open and print them. After all, TB is just an e-mail client and not a graphics or image processing package. The fact that they are received as email attachments doesn't mean TB should fully understand them. Would you also expect TB to open and print *.doc, *.xls or *.pdf attachments if you don't have MS Word, Excel or Acrobat Reader installed in your system? You could see it this way, but why the print-button is not greyed out if it is not intended to work correctly? -- Sincerely Hendrik Oesterlin - email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber-IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 215599852 - MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] - YIM moimeme666fr - AIM moimeme666fr TheBat! 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) and Regula Anti-Spam Plugin 2.2.2.0on Windows 2000 ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug 2291 (The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA)
Hello Hendrik, After all, TB is just an e-mail client and not a graphics or image processing package. The fact that they are received as email attachments doesn't mean TB should fully understand them. Would you also expect TB to open and print *.doc, *.xls or *.pdf attachments if you don't have MS Word, Excel or Acrobat Reader installed in your system? You could see it this way, but why the print-button is not greyed out if it is not intended to work correctly? Looking at this issue a bit more closely I think TB is not doing the printing at all. Who does the printing seems to depend on file type associations. In my case, I have tried with *.png, *.jpg and *.gif, and for these file types it is the Windows (XP) images and fax viewer. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Bug 2291 (The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA)
10/14/2006 12:12 AM Hi MAU, On 10/13/2006 MAU wrote: After all, TB is just an e-mail client and not a graphics or image processing package. The fact that they are received as email attachments doesn't mean TB should fully understand them. Would you also expect TB to open and print *.doc, *.xls or *.pdf attachments if you don't have MS Word, Excel or Acrobat Reader installed in your system? M Looking at this issue a bit more closely I think TB is not doing the M printing at all. Who does the printing seems to depend on file type M associations. In my case, I have tried with *.png, *.jpg and *.gif, and M for these file types it is the Windows (XP) images and fax viewer. With Irfanview installed and [Use External Viewer] enabled in Preferences one has control over the situation, fast and easy! -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.85.03 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Opera 8.5 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Bug 2291 (The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA)
10/14/2006 12:25 AM Hi Peter, On 10/13/2006 Peter Ouwehand wrote: PO When I'm set to go on a holiday, being picked up by a cab at home, PO then train, plane, etc. Do you think the cab driver would inform me PO when trains are not on schedule or the booked hotel room burnt down? PO NAH! It should turn on the coffee maker too! -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.85.03 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
On Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 5:56:53 PM, Maxim Masiutin on TBBETA wrote: Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 12:30:28 AM, you wrote: HMdB But when I tried to insert a smiley with the Insert Smiley button I got HMdB messages Canvas does not allow drawing. HMdB The program did not freeze but had to close several windows with this HMdB message before I was able to close the composition window. Oops, that's one that I am *_not_* going to test! (Far too much problems with that one in the past) Do you mean that the problems with canvas did also exist in previous versions of The Bat!? :)) The Insert Smiley button seems to be working for me. -- David Cá fhad é ó an tús go deireadh? Turas mór Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Maxim, The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb38603.rar ...and should work faster than before. Working fine here so far (no OTFE) and yes, it seems to be faster. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Maxim Masiutin everyone else, on 11-Okt-2006 at 21:53 you (Maxim Masiutin) wrote: should work faster than before. Screens redraws (ie. when opening/closing a separate message window) are *maybe* a little bit faster than before. Maybe the difference is not there and I'm hallucinating. Either way, its still so much slower than 3.0.2.10 used to be. :-( -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Is it not that Her Majesty's government infored our people of what they know about U.F.O.'s? I think it is time our people were told the truth. -- Brinsley Le Poer Trench, Earl of Clancarty Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Alexander, Hello Maxim Masiutin everyone else, on 11-Okt-2006 at 21:53 you (Maxim Masiutin) wrote: should work faster than before. Screens redraws (ie. when opening/closing a separate message window) are *maybe* a little bit faster than before. Maybe the difference is not there and I'm hallucinating. Either way, its still so much slower than 3.0.2.10 used to be. :-( Sometimes the extra code to make things work right means that a program must run slower than when things didn't work right. TB's Imap is looking very good these days. :yes: -- Gleason Using 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. Email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
On Wednesday, October 11, 2006 @ 12:53:13 PM [-0700], Maxim Masiutin wrote: should work faster than before It does feel faster when opening. Too fast for my stopwatch to really test it. :) -- Matt Using 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 (Service Pack 2) Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hi Gleason, On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:38:48 -0400 UTC (10/12/2006, 11:38 AM -0500 UTC my time), Gleason Pace wrote: G TB's Imap is looking very good these days. :yes: Not as long as it will not accept SSL certificates that I tell it too. TB! is totally unusable to me currently. -- Gary Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
On Thursday, October 12, 2006, 12:53:59 PM, Gary on TBBETA wrote: On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:38:48 -0400 UTC (10/12/2006, 11:38 AM -0500 UTC my time), Gleason Pace wrote: G TB's Imap is looking very good these days. :yes: Not as long as it will not accept SSL certificates that I tell it too. TB! is totally unusable to me currently. Really? I'm having no problems using TB! with IMAP and SSL. -- David Cá fhad é ó an tús go deireadh? Turas mór Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Gleason Pace everyone else, on 12-Okt-2006 at 18:38 you (Gleason Pace) wrote: Sometimes the extra code to make things work right means that a program must run slower than when things didn't work right. TB's Imap is looking very good these days. :yes: Well, even though I don't have an IMAP account its good to hear that TBs IMAP is getting somewhere. But, having said that, I don't see how a propper IMAP implementation affects the speed of rendering the graphics of a window opening/closing. Maybe it has a check like is there an IMAP account that needs to do something? per line drawn onto the screen? ;-) This slow gfx rendering adds a lot to the experience of TB to me (it used to feel quick and snappy back then), and the slowness that creeped into the code somewhere in the 3.5x series is the one issue that keeps annoying me, and I will keep moaning about until its fixed. (and if that may take forever, so be it - ha!;-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Whenever I have to choose between two evils, I always like to try the one I haven't tried before. -- Mae West Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hi David, On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:04:51 -0400 UTC (10/12/2006, 12:04 PM -0500 UTC my time), David Calvarese wrote: Not as long as it will not accept SSL certificates that I tell it too. TB! is totally unusable to me currently. D Really? I'm having no problems using TB! with IMAP and SSL. I reported this earlier, 3-4 weeks ago. I have a remote server that only accepts SSL connection... the SSL cert has just expired... The cert is in my root TB! chain, has been for years. TB! will not allow me in, even though I (or anyone) must authenticate. That IMAP server does not allow port 143, regular connection, just dedicated SSL IMAP on port 993. Since the cert has been good for two years, just recently expired, TB! has decided it will not allow the connection... Every other IMAP client on the planet allows me to connect except TB! I do not like it when an email client tells me what it will or will not accept in an SSL connection, not putting that decision in the user's hands. It seems to forget that I must authenticate anyway. Since I cannot connect to this IMAP server, I cannot use TB! The address book, trusted CA should not dictate whether to accept the connection just because the cert is out of date. That is my decision. -- Gary Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
On Thursday, October 12, 2006, 1:21:56 PM, Gary on TBBETA wrote: On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:04:51 -0400 UTC (10/12/2006, 12:04 PM -0500 UTC my time), David Calvarese wrote: Not as long as it will not accept SSL certificates that I tell it too. TB! is totally unusable to me currently. D Really? I'm having no problems using TB! with IMAP and SSL. I reported this earlier, 3-4 weeks ago. I have a remote server that only accepts SSL connection... the SSL cert has just expired... The cert is in my root TB! chain, has been for years. TB! will not allow me in, even though I (or anyone) must authenticate. That IMAP server does not allow port 143, regular connection, just dedicated SSL IMAP on port 993. Since the cert has been good for two years, just recently expired, TB! has decided it will not allow the connection... Every other IMAP client on the planet allows me to connect except TB! I do not like it when an email client tells me what it will or will not accept in an SSL connection, not putting that decision in the user's hands. It seems to forget that I must authenticate anyway. Since I cannot connect to this IMAP server, I cannot use TB! The address book, trusted CA should not dictate whether to accept the connection just because the cert is out of date. That is my decision. That is certainly odd... Sounds like a bug to me. -- David Cá fhad é ó an tús go deireadh? Turas mór Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hi David, On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:40:47 -0400 UTC (10/12/2006, 12:40 PM -0500 UTC my time), David Calvarese wrote: D Really? I'm having no problems using TB! with IMAP and SSL. I reported this earlier, 3-4 weeks ago. I have a remote server that only accepts SSL connection... the SSL cert has just expired... The cert is in my root TB! chain, has been for years. TB! will not allow me in, even though I (or anyone) must authenticate. That IMAP server does not allow port 143, regular connection, just dedicated SSL IMAP on port 993. Since the cert has been good for two years, just recently expired, TB! has decided it will not allow the connection... Every other IMAP client on the planet allows me to connect except TB! I do not like it when an email client tells me what it will or will not accept in an SSL connection, not putting that decision in the user's hands. It seems to forget that I must authenticate anyway. Since I cannot connect to this IMAP server, I cannot use TB! The address book, trusted CA should not dictate whether to accept the connection just because the cert is out of date. That is my decision. D That is certainly odd... Sounds like a bug to me. It is a bug (or RL's decision). RL has known about it for a long time, since starting IMAP into TB!, yet nothing has been done to date to correct it. Curtis has mentioned it long ago in this forum, several times, as have I, and a few others using IMAP. -- Gary Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Gary everyone else, on 12-Okt-2006 at 20:26 you (Gary) wrote: D That is certainly odd... Sounds like a bug to me. It is a bug (or RL's decision). RL has known about it for a long time, since starting IMAP into TB!, yet nothing has been done to date to correct it. Curtis has mentioned it long ago in this forum, several times, as have I, and a few others using IMAP. And did you file a bug report on the bugtracker website? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Dilbert's Words of Wisdom: I love deadlines. I especially like the whooshing sound they make as they go flying by. Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hi Alexander, On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:19:30 +0200 UTC (10/12/2006, 2:19 PM -0500 UTC my time), Alexander S. Kunz wrote: D That is certainly odd... Sounds like a bug to me. It is a bug (or RL's decision). RL has known about it for a long time, since starting IMAP into TB!, yet nothing has been done to date to correct it. Curtis has mentioned it long ago in this forum, several times, as have I, and a few others using IMAP. A And did you file a bug report on the bugtracker website? I personally did not, but I believe Curtis did months ago. -- Gary Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Alexander, Thursday, October 12, 2006, 6:59:45 PM, you wrote: Screens redraws (ie. when opening/closing a separate message window) are *maybe* a little bit faster than before. Maybe the difference is not there and I'm hallucinating. Either way, its still so much slower than 3.0.2.10 used to be. :-( Do you mean that screen redraws in 3.0.2.10 are much faster than now, with the same Skins/Themes settings? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Gary, Thursday, October 12, 2006, 7:53:59 PM, you wrote: Not as long as it will not accept SSL certificates that I tell it too. TB! is totally unusable to me currently. Why don't you use stunnel? Should I send you the configuration file for stunnel? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Gary, Thursday, October 12, 2006, 8:21:56 PM, you wrote: Every other IMAP client on the planet allows me to connect except TB! I do not like it when an email client tells me what it will or will not accept in an SSL connection, not putting that decision in the user's hands. Do you know that The Bat! is the most secure e-mail client. If we will allow unsafe actions there and there we will became as insecure as the other e-mail clients. Why don't you simply use regular connection instead of TLS with expired certificate? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hi Maxim, On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:43:05 +0300 UTC (10/12/2006, 6:43 PM -0500 UTC my time), Maxim Masiutin wrote: Not as long as it will not accept SSL certificates that I tell it too. TB! is totally unusable to me currently. M Why don't you use stunnel? Should I send you the configuration file for M stunnel? Sure, I use stunnel in *n.x all the time, but never tried it in windows. thanks -- Gary Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hi Maxim, On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:48:57 +0300 UTC (10/12/2006, 6:48 PM -0500 UTC my time), Maxim Masiutin wrote: M Do you know that The Bat! is the most secure e-mail client. If we will M allow unsafe actions there and there we will became as insecure as the M other e-mail clients. What unsafe actions? Accepting an expired SSL cert to a server that already requires CRAM-MD5 authentication? That's up to the user to decide, everyone does it with browsers all the time. LOL... Next thing will be that TB! will not start at all if the user is smoking a cigarette, another unsafe action. In TB!, we don't even have that choice to accept or not, it is taken out of our hands for our benefit and safety... Sounds like a good sales pitch to me :) However, I do not consider Pine (who was designed by Mark C., the inventor of the IMAP RFC, Mutt, or Mulberry, or several others insecure by any means. The IMAPS server already requires CRAM-MD5 over SSL v3 auth. Yet, they let me choose to permanently accept any cert... M Why don't you simply use regular connection instead of TLS with expired M certificate? Can't, the remote server is configured only for IMAP with SSL only (port 993), not 143 standard which is not even opened in the firewall. Wouldn't it be easier to just let the customer decide. This has nothing to do with unsafe actions, just some fine tuning of programming the Address book / trusted root CA to not block expired certs. We are not talking about a root cert for e-commerce doing credit card transactions here.. -- Gary Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Gary, Thursday, October 12, 2006, 2:59:35 AM, you wrote: Sure, I use stunnel in *n.x all the time, but never tried it in windows. Please download Stunnel from http://www.stunnel.org/download/binaries.html , install it and create the file stunnel.conf, place it to the same direcory where you installed stunnel.exe: client = yes debug = debug [pop3s] accept = 127.0.0.1:110 connect = pop3s.myisp.com:995 [imaps] accept = 127.0.0.1:143 delay = yes connect = imaps.myisp.com:993 [smtps] accept = 127.0.0.1:25 connect = smtps.myisp.com:465 In The Bat! account properties, specify 127.0.0.1 and Regular connection. If the server requires Secure to regular port (STARTTLS), then use the following data in stunnel.conf, [smtps] section: [smtps] accept = 127.0.0.1:25 connect = smtps.myisp.com:25 protocol = smtp -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Gary, Thursday, October 12, 2006, 3:19:05 AM, you wrote: What unsafe actions? Accepting an expired SSL cert to a server that already requires CRAM-MD5 authentication? That's up to the user to decide, everyone does it with browsers all the time. LOL... Next thing will be that TB! will not start at all if the user is smoking a cigarette, another unsafe action. In TB!, we don't even have that choice to accept or not, it is taken out of our hands for our benefit and safety... Sounds like a good sales pitch to me :) I agree with you, but there should be some kind of balance. Maybe sometimes it is too pedantic but that's why the users love The Bat! or hate it. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hi Maxim, On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:20:24 +0300 UTC (10/12/2006, 7:20 PM -0500 UTC my time), Maxim Masiutin wrote: M Please download Stunnel from M http://www.stunnel.org/download/binaries.html , install it and create the M file stunnel.conf, place it to the same direcory where you installed M stunnel.exe: Many thanks for this... it is almost exactly the same as making a wrapper on the stunnel service in unix, example rsync using stunnel... good deal... I am a happy camper again, as I will be able to log in. Thank you Max. -- Gary Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hi Maxim, On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:22:25 +0300 UTC (10/12/2006, 7:22 PM -0500 UTC my time), Maxim Masiutin wrote: M I agree with you, but there should be some kind of balance. Maybe M sometimes it is too pedantic but that's why the users love The Bat! or M hate it. LOL... agreed.. the love/hate relationship has been going on here for years, since v1 :) . sounds like a good woman :)) -- Gary Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Gary, Thursday, October 12, 2006, 3:35:40 AM, you wrote: M I agree with you, but there should be some kind of balance. Maybe M sometimes it is too pedantic but that's why the users love The Bat! or M hate it. LOL... agreed.. the love/hate relationship has been going on here for years, since v1 :) . sounds like a good woman :)) Woman? What do you mean? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Expired certificates (was: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA)
Hello Maxim, On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:22:25 +0300 GMT (13/10/2006, 07:22 +0700 GMT), Maxim Masiutin wrote: MM I agree with you, but there should be some kind of balance. Maybe MM sometimes it is too pedantic but that's why the users MM love The Bat! or hate it. The Bat! is an email client that is used by many professionals. The balance would be there if you allowed these people to accept a certificate that has expired, they know what they are doing. Hide it under Advanced Options if you are afraid my mother would use it. The current behaviour does not feel safe, it feels like nannying and is certainly not appreciated by the professionals. Especially since they can easily switch to another product and become your ex-customers and ex-promoters. Being pedantic has its advantages, and TB! is certainly a good product. However, you have to be a bit realistic about what is out there. This customer, for example, could not connect by normal port at all, due to his company's security policy. He is clearly someone who knows what he is talking about. Even if he wanted to, he cannot use (or promote!) The Bat!. Recommending a third software (stunnel) is certainly not the idea - you are providing a work-around for your own restriction. What is the point of the restriction then? I would also think it is certainly much easier to just use another email-client with which you don't need to tunnel. Just my 2 satangs worth. -- Cheers, Thomas. This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us. -- Western Union internal memo, 1876. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.85.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hi All, Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 1:53:13 PM, Maxim wrote: Hello Tbbeta, The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb38603.rar It should fix the problems with OTFE of previous beta, and should work faster than before. But this ALPHA is not yet well tested, please use it with caution and let us know immediately of any problems that may ocur. I believe it is faster also. Congratulations to The Bat! Development Team. Bob Riley in New Mexico, USA. Let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me. This is our function, our fulfillment, our challenge - and our inheritance, to accept and to share. Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hi Maxim, On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:20:24 +0300 UTC (10/12/2006, 7:20 PM -0500 UTC my time), Maxim Masiutin wrote: M it and create the file stunnel.conf, place it to the same direcory where M you installed stunnel.exe: Works great Max, thanks.. on line now with that remote server. I did not know stunnel was available for Windows... very cool. -- Gary Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hi Maxim, On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 04:52:03 +0300 UTC (10/12/2006, 8:52 PM -0500 UTC my time), Maxim Masiutin wrote: LOL... agreed.. the love/hate relationship has been going on here for years, since v1 :) . sounds like a good woman :)) M Woman? What do you mean? Some relationships (definitely not mine) are defined as a love - hate relationship... they get mad at each other, then make up again, and do this all the time. I have a friend here, who works at the Univ, in my wife's department, who is a professional Russian translator I will ask him to translate and send to me, so I can send it on to you :) -- Gary Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Expired certificates (was: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA)
Hi Thomas, On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:54:33 +0700 UTC (10/12/2006, 8:54 PM -0500 UTC my time), Thomas Fernandez wrote: T The Bat! is an email client that is used by many professionals. The T balance would be there if you allowed these people to accept a T certificate that has expired, they know what they are doing. Hide it T under Advanced Options if you are afraid my mother would use it. T The current behaviour does not feel safe, it feels like nannying and T is certainly not appreciated by the professionals. Especially since T they can easily switch to another product and become your ex-customers T and ex-promoters. Well spoken Thomas :) also, make that another FREE product.. -- Gary Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug 2291 (The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA)
Maxim Masiutin wrote on 12/10/2006 at 06:53:13 +1100 subject The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA : The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb38603.rar Seems to run fine here. The bug https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2291 is still present and still annoying. (Incorrect printing of heavy images received as eMail attachment) Can someone else than me and Zygmunt reproduce this issue? -- Sincerely Hendrik Oesterlin - email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber-IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 215599852 - MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] - YIM moimeme666fr - AIM moimeme666fr TheBat! 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) and Regula Anti-Spam Plugin 2.2.2.0on Windows 2000 ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Tbbeta, The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb38603.rar It should fix the problems with OTFE of previous beta, and should work faster than before. But this ALPHA is not yet well tested, please use it with caution and let us know immediately of any problems that may ocur. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.86.02 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Peter, Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 11:02:57 PM, you wrote: confirmed as fixed. What was the reason? Delphi 7 (initial version) did contain bugs in the Code Optimizer and Borland fixed them in Update 1 for Delphi 7, but introduced new bugs (in Compiler) in this update. Borland then fixed these new bugs in Delphi 2006. If we were using Delphi 7 without updates, then The Bat! worked propely (but without Code Optimization for size and speed), if we did use Update 1 then OTFE didn't work. We did compile this ALPHA with Delphi 2006 and hope the bugs of Borland are finally resolved, but this may arize problems of migration from Delphi 7 to Delphi 2006. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.86.02 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Maxim, Hello Tbbeta, The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb38603.rar It should fix the problems with OTFE of previous beta, and should work faster than before. But this ALPHA is not yet well tested, please use it with caution and let us know immediately of any problems that may ocur. Looks good here, and yes, faster performance. -- Gleason Using 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. Email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 3.86.02 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Maxim, Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 9:53:13 PM, you wrote: MM It should fix the problems with OTFE of previous beta, and should work faster than before. I don't use OFTE, but I do have the impression this version works faster than the previous one. MM But this ALPHA is not yet well tested, please use it with caution and MM let us know immediately of any problems that may ocur. Except for the fact that it says it's an ALPHA (beta), I haven't found one yet! :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 13:52:12) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is 3.86.02 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hi Maxim, on Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:53:13 +0300GMT, you wrote: MM It should fix the problems with OTFE of previous beta, and should work faster than before. Seems to work fine here at first sight. :) MM But this ALPHA is not yet well tested, please use it with MM caution and let us know immediately of any problems that may ocur. I'll keep on testing tomorrow. -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA :beta: on Win2K, SP4, 5, 0, build 2195 plenty of POP accounts, no IMAP, OTFE enabled Dell Latitude C600 P3 at 1002 MHz, 512 MB RAM Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Het was woensdag 11 oktober 2006 om 22:50 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA' : Hoi Gleason, GP Looks good here, and yes, faster performance. fast and furious ;) -- Toodle Oo, Cees :snowrub: On a box of rat poison Warning: Has been found to cause cancer in laboratory mice. __ The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, at 22:53:13 [GMT +0300] (which was 21:53 where I live) Maxim Masiutin wrote: MM The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA is available at MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb38603.rar MM It should fix the problems with OTFE of previous beta, and should work faster than before. MM But this ALPHA is not yet well tested, please use it with caution MM and let us know immediately of any problems that may ocur. Up and running with OTFE :-) But when I tried to insert a smiley with the Insert Smiley button I got messages Canvas does not allow drawing. The program did not freeze but had to close several windows with this message before I was able to close the composition window. -- Henk M. de Bruijn __ The Bat! Natural E-Mail System version 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) Pro on Windows XP SP2 PGPkey at: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0X11EECBEEB464DD0F Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org A progressive and innovative Web of Trust Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Henk, Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 12:20:20 AM, you wrote: But when I tried to insert a smiley with the Insert Smiley button I got messages Canvas does not allow drawing. The program did not freeze but had to close several windows with this message before I was able to close the composition window. Did previous beta also behave this way? I cannot reproduce this behaviour under Windows Vista RC1. Can anybody confirm this under Windows XP? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Henk, Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 11:20:20 PM, you wrote: HMdB But when I tried to insert a smiley with the Insert Smiley button I got HMdB messages Canvas does not allow drawing. HMdB The program did not freeze but had to close several windows with this HMdB message before I was able to close the composition window. Oops, that's one that I am *_not_* going to test! (Far too much problems with that one in the past) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 14:26:41) on Uno AMD Duron Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Maxim, Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 11:29:52 PM, you wrote: MM Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 12:20:20 AM, you wrote: But when I tried to insert a smiley with the Insert Smiley button I got messages Canvas does not allow drawing. The program did not freeze but had to close several windows with this message before I was able to close the composition window. MM Did previous beta also behave this way? Yes. Several of them. MM I cannot reproduce this behaviour under Windows Vista RC1. MM Can anybody confirm this under Windows XP? Confirmed under 2000. Same as abovementioned. Had to use taskmanager to gain control again... ClipMate made a bugreport and Copernic Desktop wanted to send a bugfile too. -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 14:49:36) on Uno AMD Duron Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Mark, Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 12:30:28 AM, you wrote: HMdB But when I tried to insert a smiley with the Insert Smiley button I got HMdB messages Canvas does not allow drawing. HMdB The program did not freeze but had to close several windows with this HMdB message before I was able to close the composition window. Oops, that's one that I am *_not_* going to test! (Far too much problems with that one in the past) Do you mean that the problems with canvas did also exist in previous versions of The Bat!? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Maxim, Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 11:56:53 PM, you wrote: MM Do you mean that the problems with canvas did also exist in previous MM versions of The Bat!? Yes I had stopped testing it because (when it first appeared), the only solution was to reboot, and I don't use the feature. Must be reported in Bugtrack. I will take a look at it, but perhaps I will have to do that tomorrow. Shouldn't you be asleep? :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 14:56:19) on Uno AMD Duron Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello all, Wednesday, October 11, 2006, Maxim Masiutin wrote: But when I tried to insert a smiley with the Insert Smiley button I got messages Canvas does not allow drawing. The program did not freeze but had to close several windows with this message before I was able to close the composition window. Did previous beta also behave this way? I cannot reproduce this behaviour under Windows Vista RC1. Can anybody confirm this under Windows XP? I can't confirm too under XP SP2 with default icons set, no error appears. Maybe using alternative icons causes this? -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.85.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, NOD32 Antivirus plugin and AntispamSniper v 1.6.5 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Henk, On Wednesday, October 11, 2006 you wrote: Up and running with OTFE :-) But when I tried to insert a smiley with the Insert Smiley button I got messages Canvas does not allow drawing. The program did not freeze but had to close several windows with this message before I was able to close the composition window. Can't reproduce. Tried in microed and in windows editor both in text and HTML mode... Using WinXP SP2. Other things also seem to be working well in this version. So far. I've found a different, small bug, which also exists in previous version: the middle of the window with smileys is always more or less in the place where you click on a button. If a button is close to right or bottom edge of a screen, then some part of the window is beyond the edge. This should be prevented. By the way: if there are more then just one smiley sets, perhaps it would be a good idea to place them in adequate tabs within the window. -- / Krzysztof Trybowski pgp 0xE0F7733B /--/ To get my pgp key, put / / www.trybik.jest.okey.pl GG 1458144 /--/ send_key in subject. /_ Using The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) [reg] under Windows XP 5.1 build 2600. Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
Hello Maxim, Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 11:56:53 PM, you wrote: MM Do you mean that the problems with canvas did MM also exist in previous versions of The Bat!? With a little help: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6020 -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 15:59:43) on Uno AMD Duron Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006, at 00:04:59 [GMT +0200] (which was 0:04 where I live) Marek Mikus wrote: MM Wednesday, October 11, 2006, Maxim Masiutin wrote: But when I tried to insert a smiley with the Insert Smiley button I got messages Canvas does not allow drawing. The program did not freeze but had to close several windows with this message before I was able to close the composition window. Did previous beta also behave this way? I cannot reproduce this behaviour under Windows Vista RC1. Can anybody confirm this under Windows XP? MM I can't confirm too under XP SP2 with default icons set, no error appears. MM Maybe using alternative icons causes this? Hi, I am using alternative icons but have no time at the moment to test this. Will do that later! Next to this behaviour this version is usable/workable for me.. In only have to insert a smiley manually ;-) -- Henk M. de Bruijn __ The Bat! Natural E-Mail System version 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) Pro on Windows XP SP2 PGPkey at: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0X11EECBEEB464DD0F Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org A progressive and innovative Web of Trust pgpvncINSxb3L.pgp Description: PGP signature Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
