Re: Slimming Down the database / Archiving

[Tom]

Thursday, October 6, 2022, 2:30:19 PM, you wrote:


Sunday, July 3, 2022, 3:32:45 PM, you wrote:





Hi Chris,

I finally got around to doing this and I am happy to report a successful 
outcome.
All these older messages are now combined in subfolders under Archive XXX and
having this Account stored on a separate drive, does indeed reduce the size 
used for
my main OS and any twice-weekly backups.  The size for the TBK complete backup 
file has reduced from 16.2 gb to 5.8 gb.
The benefit of the password protection of the account compared to my original 
idea of just
moving the actual folders somewhere else is that I can now still open the 
archive easily and
check on something if necessary.   Based on my experience that the minute you 
clear out something, you will need it,
this is quite a nice benefit. The only drawback I found was that moving 
messages was a bit more involved than
using cut/paste of some folders.

Thanks Chris and Thomas for the suggestion.

Cheers
Tom-
Tom
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just an update - since I archived my emails I had to check on something 
archived and it worked fine. However today I am unable to find the "account" 
that his now holding
these emails?  The database is still in its location on my external drive but 
the easy way to check an email is not possible if I cannot find the account.
Any idea why this is now hidden and how to look for it - any trick to "unhide 
this" without having to create a new account and then link the storage to the 
archive I previously created?


and one more update - not sure why but after restarting TB the Account Archive 
is shown again and I am able to open my emails with password again. I would 
normally assume it was there all the time and I was not looking properly but I 
did check several times very slowly and in particular at the bottom of my 
Accounts tree. That's where I "parked" this account and it was not showing 
earlier today.


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Re: Slimming Down the database / Archiving

[Tom]

Sunday, July 3, 2022, 3:32:45 PM, you wrote:




Hi Chris,

I finally got around to doing this and I am happy to report a successful 
outcome.
All these older messages are now combined in subfolders under Archive XXX and
having this Account stored on a separate drive, does indeed reduce the size 
used for
my main OS and any twice-weekly backups.  The size for the TBK complete backup 
file has reduced from 16.2 gb to 5.8 gb.
The benefit of the password protection of the account compared to my original 
idea of just
moving the actual folders somewhere else is that I can now still open the 
archive easily and
check on something if necessary.   Based on my experience that the minute you 
clear out something, you will need it,
this is quite a nice benefit. The only drawback I found was that moving 
messages was a bit more involved than
using cut/paste of some folders.

Thanks Chris and Thomas for the suggestion.

Cheers
Tom-
Tom
using TheBat! 8.8.9 on XP


just an update - since I archived my emails I had to check on something 
archived and it worked fine. However today I am unable to find the "account" 
that his now holding
these emails?  The database is still in its location on my external drive but 
the easy way to check an email is not possible if I cannot find the account. 
Any idea why this is now hidden and how to look for it - any trick to "unhide 
this" without having to create a new account and then link the storage to the 
archive I previously created?

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Re[2]: Slimming Down the database / Archiving

[Chris Wilson]

Hello Tom,

On Sunday, July 3, 2022,  you wrote:



T> Hi Chris,

T> I finally got around to doing this and I am happy to report a successful 
outcome.
T> All these older messages are now combined in subfolders under Archive XXX 
and 
T> having this Account stored on a separate drive, does indeed reduce the size 
used for
T> my main OS and any twice-weekly backups.  The size for the TBK complete 
backup file has reduced from 16.2 gb to 5.8 gb.
T> The benefit of the password protection of the account compared to my 
original idea of just
T> moving the actual folders somewhere else is that I can now still open the 
archive easily and 
T> check on something if necessary.   Based on my experience that the minute 
you clear out something, you will need it,
T> this is quite a nice benefit. The only drawback I found was that moving 
messages was a bit more involved than
T> using cut/paste of some folders. 

T> Thanks Chris and Thomas for the suggestion.

T> Cheers
T> Tom

Glad my finding Thomas' message was useful to you.

What would be a highly useful feature to me would be to have a function where 
you command TB to make a new database mimicking the current ones structure, but 
with all folders showing an Archive and pre date identifier. 

So one would select an account, select a cut off month and year and tell it to 
archive, the result being a separate database created on a destination medium 
of user choice, containing only messages created or received pre whatever month 
and year. The database remaining within TB would then only contain messages 
created or received after the cut off date desired.



















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Re: Slimming Down the database / Archiving

[Tom]

T>> So, you guys never felt the need for this ?  With 152 gb I would expect TB 
to be quite slow to open and having proper backups to be a pain?

> I am getting old and forgetful. It suddenly occurred to me that I
> had once asked a similar question here, and as I have kept all
> messages from starting to use TB! I found it for you. See below,
> Thomas Fernandez answered and although based on an earlier TB!
> version his response should still be applicable, I would have thought.


> @@@

> On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 15:20:04 +0100 GMT (27-Apr-19, 20:50 +0700 GMT),
> Chris Wilson wrote:

>> I am happily running a legacy version of TB! but my message base is
>> now huge. I was wondering if it is possible to somehow split the
>> message base based on date so I keep say the last two year's messages
>> in TB!' directory structure, and store older stuff elsewhere, perhaps
>> on tape or DVD? Thanks

> What I do is I "archive" old messages to other folders. For example, I
> name a subfolder "2016" and then move all messages from that year into
> that subfolder. This keep each folder with a manageable size. (Make
> sure you compact the folders in which the messages were stored
> previously.)

> If you want to store those messages somewhere else, you create a dummy
> account called "Archive". Under Account / Properties / Files &
> Directories, you to an external drive or a drive in the cloud (nobody
> uses tape or DVD any more). This way, you don't need to keep them on
> your computer's hard disk.

> --

> Cheers,
> Thomas.

> @

Hi Chris,

I finally got around to doing this and I am happy to report a successful 
outcome.
All these older messages are now combined in subfolders under Archive XXX and 
having this Account stored on a separate drive, does indeed reduce the size 
used for
my main OS and any twice-weekly backups.  The size for the TBK complete backup 
file has reduced from 16.2 gb to 5.8 gb.
The benefit of the password protection of the account compared to my original 
idea of just
moving the actual folders somewhere else is that I can now still open the 
archive easily and 
check on something if necessary.   Based on my experience that the minute you 
clear out something, you will need it,
this is quite a nice benefit. The only drawback I found was that moving 
messages was a bit more involved than
using cut/paste of some folders. 

Thanks Chris and Thomas for the suggestion.

Cheers
Tom














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Re[2]: Slimming Down the database / Archiving

[Chris Wilson]

Hello Tom,

On Saturday, June 25, 2022,  you wrote:

T> Saturday, June 25, 2022, 6:33:05 PM, you wrote:

>> On Saturday, June 25, 2022, 10:25:45, Chris Wilson wrote:

>>> Watching with interest 40 + GB of mail and attachments here, which stored 
>>> in the current database is ridiculous

>> 152 GB here…


T> So, you guys never felt the need for this ?  With 152 gb I would expect TB 
to be quite slow to open and having proper backups to be a pain?

I am getting old and forgetful. It suddenly occurred to me that I had once 
asked a similar question here, and as I have kept all messages from starting to 
use TB! I found it for you. See below, Thomas Fernandez answered and although 
based on an earlier TB! version his response should still be applicable, I 
would have thought.


@@@

On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 15:20:04 +0100 GMT (27-Apr-19, 20:50 +0700 GMT),
Chris Wilson wrote:

> I am happily running a legacy version of TB! but my message base is
> now huge. I was wondering if it is possible to somehow split the
> message base based on date so I keep say the last two year's messages
> in TB!' directory structure, and store older stuff elsewhere, perhaps
> on tape or DVD? Thanks

What I do is I "archive" old messages to other folders. For example, I
name a subfolder "2016" and then move all messages from that year into
that subfolder. This keep each folder with a manageable size. (Make
sure you compact the folders in which the messages were stored
previously.)

If you want to store those messages somewhere else, you create a dummy
account called "Archive". Under Account / Properties / Files &
Directories, you to an external drive or a drive in the cloud (nobody
uses tape or DVD any more). This way, you don't need to keep them on
your computer's hard disk.

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@







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Re: Slimming Down the database / Archiving

[Jernej Simončič]

On Saturday, June 25, 2022, 14:07:36, Tom wrote:

> So, you guys never felt the need for this ?  With 152 gb I would expect TB to 
> be quite slow to open and having proper backups to be a pain?

Used to be that TB was a bit slow (=5 seconds) to open folders with more than 
~9000 messages, but this hasn't been the case in a while (despite me keeping 
the message base on spinning rust, not SSD).

As for why I keep all of it? Because it's less work than not keeping it.

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Re: Slimming Down the database / Archiving

[Tom]

Saturday, June 25, 2022, 6:33:05 PM, you wrote:

> On Saturday, June 25, 2022, 10:25:45, Chris Wilson wrote:

>> Watching with interest 40 + GB of mail and attachments here, which stored in 
>> the current database is ridiculous

> 152 GB here…


So, you guys never felt the need for this ?  With 152 gb I would expect TB to 
be quite slow to open and having proper backups to be a pain?


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Re[2]: Slimming Down the database / Archiving

[Chris Wilson]

Hello Jernej,

On Saturday, June 25, 2022,  you wrote:

JS> On Saturday, June 25, 2022, 10:25:45, Chris Wilson wrote:

>> Watching with interest 40 + GB of mail and attachments here, which stored in 
>> the current database is ridiculous

JS> 152 GB here…

That's an amazing amount of mail, people must either really love you or really 
hate you :)






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Re: Slimming Down the database / Archiving

[Jernej Simončič]

On Saturday, June 25, 2022, 10:25:45, Chris Wilson wrote:

> Watching with interest 40 + GB of mail and attachments here, which stored in 
> the current database is ridiculous

152 GB here…

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Re: Slimming Down the database / Archiving

[Chris Wilson]

Hello Tom,

On Saturday, June 25, 2022,  you wrote:

T> Hello Everyone,

T> my TB has grown over the years and the backup files are now more than 
T>  gb in size.
T> I would like to tidy up a bit without messing up everything.

T> My idea is to create new Archive folders and then moving older emails into 
these archive folders. 
T> Can I then remove these completely to a different harddrive/backup storage 
in case I ever need them again? 
T> Currently my mail directory is at on my OS drive at %APPDATA%\The Bat!\

Watching with interest 40 + GB of mail and attachments here, which stored in 
the current database is ridiculous









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Slimming Down the database / Archiving

[Tom]

Hello Everyone,

my TB has grown over the years and the backup files are now more than 
 gb in size.
I would like to tidy up a bit without messing up everything.

My idea is to create new Archive folders and then moving older emails into 
these archive folders. 
Can I then remove these completely to a different harddrive/backup storage in 
case I ever need them again? 
Currently my mail directory is at on my OS drive at %APPDATA%\The Bat!\


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Re: Archiving attachments

[MAU]

Hello Maggie,

> Okay, I've looked everywhere and can't find the port to pour the 
> beer in, it's an HP2140. You do like Fat Tire, don't you? 

Oh, no hurry! Just wait till my next visit to YourCabinOnTheCreek.

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Re: Archiving attachments

[Maggie Meister]

Hi Miguel,

On Monday, February 06, 2017 at 10:58:04 AM you wrote:

>>   Thanks so much for your patience,

M> You owe me a couple of beers ;-)
   
Okay, I've looked everywhere and can't find the port to pour the 
beer in, it's an HP2140. You do like Fat Tire, don't you? 

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Re: Archiving attachments

[MAU]

Hello Maggie,

>   Thanks so much for your patience,

You owe me a couple of beers ;-)

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Re: Archiving attachments

[Maggie Meister]

G'morning Miguel,

On Monday, February 06, 2017 at 4:29:50 AM you wrote:

M> If this line is not included
M> when copying, it seems that TB 'detects' that what is in the clipboard
M> is not a filter and doesn't allow pasting (Paste is grayed out).

  Yes! Reading the directions is the key!  You did say
  to copy the filter antes de clicking on the Read. Having the
  filter in the clipboard allows TB to 'see' it.
  
  Thanks so much for your patience, I may be out of the woods
  now.

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Re: Archiving attachments

[MAU]

Hello Maggie,

> Another idea - I don't know if this will work, but if I create 
> another account with the same folders then Re-Direct all the 
> mails in each folder to that other account, will that accomplish 
> moving the attachments to the designated file?

It  will  probably  work.  However,  if  it  works, it will be quite a
tedious  task  redirecting  messages  one at a time. Unless there is a
'bulk re-direct' option somewhere that I am not aware about.

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Re: Archiving attachments

[MAU]

Hello Maggie,

M>> Just  select  the group of filter (Incoming, Outgoing, Read) where you
M>> want your filter to be, right-click and select Paste.
>  
> I selected Read, did right click and the only choice available is
> New Filter. If I click on that to create a new filter, then right
> click on it, Paste is grayed out.

That's  really  strange.  Did you highlight/select including the first
line     TB!   Message  Filter  ? If this line is not included
when copying, it seems that TB 'detects' that what is in the clipboard
is not a filter and doesn't allow pasting (Paste is grayed out).

> I'm in v4.2.44 does this make a difference?

It  should  not.  Actually,  I  have tested in my wife's laptop and it
works.

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Re: Archiving attachments

[Adrian Godfrey]

That option is there BUT you have to do it individually for each email
address in the Properties for the account



Sunday, February 5, 2017, 5:25:21 PM, you wrote:

> I want it defined in the attachment location directive in settings. This
> way I set it once for all incoming mail without using filters.



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Re: Archiving attachments

[Maggie Meister]

Miguel,

On Sunday, February 05, 2017 at 1:25:27 PM you wrote:

MM> Hi Miguel,

MM> On Sunday, February 05, 2017 at 1:06:55 PM you wrote:

M>> Just  select  the group of filter (Incoming, Outgoing, Read) where you
M>> want your filter to be, right-click and select Paste.
MM>  
MM> I selected Read, did right click and the only choice available is
MM> New Filter. If I click on that to create a new filter, then right
MM> click on it, Paste is grayed out.

MM> I'm in v4.2.44 does this make a difference?  

Another idea - I don't know if this will work, but if I create 
another account with the same folders then Re-Direct all the 
mails in each folder to that other account, will that accomplish 
moving the attachments to the designated file? 
  

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Re: Archiving attachments

[Maggie Meister]

Hi Miguel,

On Sunday, February 05, 2017 at 1:06:55 PM you wrote:

M> Just  select  the group of filter (Incoming, Outgoing, Read) where you
M> want your filter to be, right-click and select Paste.
 
I selected Read, did right click and the only choice available is
New Filter. If I click on that to create a new filter, then right
click on it, Paste is grayed out.

I'm in v4.2.44 does this make a difference?  

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Re: Archiving attachments

[MAU]

Hello Maggie,

JG>> I want it defined in the attachment location directive in settings. This
JG>> way I set it once for all incoming mail without using filters.
>
> Yes! And being able to change the type of attachment, i.e., jpg,
> .doc, .xar, etc. or just include all the likely types but to
> avoid the .html or .msg that isn't relevant would be helpful.

Fully agree.

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Re: Archiving attachments

[MAU]

Hello Maggie,

M>> I  assume your current setting is "In message Bodies", and that if you
M>> now  change  to  "In  a  separate directory" this change will apply to
M>> future messages only, and not to those already in message base.
>
> This is valuable. I have now changed the setting as I was indeed 
> keeping them in message bodies.

Well, at least you got something useful from my message ;-)

> In the sorting of the account, I did not see where to paste the
> filter.

Just  select  the group of filter (Incoming, Outgoing, Read) where you
want your filter to be, right-click and select Paste.

> Also, I did not understand the syntax of the name of the filter.

I  don't  know  what  you  exactly  mean  by that. The name I used was
ExtAtt.

> Where is the text enclosed by $ to be pasted? Should it be copied
> from 'beginFilter' and end with 'endFilter'? I have never used a
> filter such as this, even though I have seen various similar filters
> in the list over the years. Normally, my needs are so simple that
> the macros one can choose for message filtering are enough for my
> needs.

In  my  message, select all the lines starting with (and including it)
'  TB!  Message  Filter  ' to 'endFilter' (including it also).
Then  right-click  and  select Copy (or Ctrl-C). Then open the Sorting
Office,  select  the  filter  group/type where you want the filter and
Paste.

Once  pasted,  select it and in 'Actions' on the right panel, click on
the  Edit button at the bottom and the Extract Attachments window will
open.  There  you  will  see where you can set the directory where you
want  attachments  to  go, and also the mask for file type you want to
extract.

I  still  have to find a way of defining more than just one mask. I've
tried several ways but none of them did work.

> Thanks for your patience.

My pleasure :-)

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Re: Archiving attachments

[Maggie Meister]

Hi Jason,

On Sunday, February 05, 2017 at 11:25:21 AM you wrote:

JG> I want it defined in the attachment location directive in settings. This
JG> way I set it once for all incoming mail without using filters.

Yes! And being able to change the type of attachment, i.e., jpg,
.doc, .xar, etc. or just include all the likely types but to
avoid the .html or .msg that isn't relevant would be helpful.

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Re: Archiving attachments

[Maggie Meister]

Hi Miguel,

On Saturday, February 04, 2017 at 2:30:24 PM you wrote:

>>  Is there a way to save attachments globally? If not, will
>>  I have to go through each and every mail to copy out the
>>  attachment?

M> OK,  I'm going to suggest a couple of things. None is perfect.

M> 1.-  You  can  keep  attachments  in  message  bodies or in a separate
M> directory. See Help/Account/Properties/Files and directories/Attachments

M> I  assume your current setting is "In message Bodies", and that if you
M> now  change  to  "In  a  separate directory" this change will apply to
M> future messages only, and not to those already in message base.

This is valuable. I have now changed the setting as I was indeed 
keeping them in message bodies.

M> 2.-  You can use a manual filter to extract attachments, I have tested
M> it and it works. Copy the following filter and paste it in the Sorting
M> of  your  Account. I created it as a 'Read Filter'.



In the sorting of the account, I did not see where to paste the
filter. Also, I did not understand the syntax of the name of the
filter. Where is the text enclosed by $ to be pasted? Should it
be copied from 'beginFilter' and end with 'endFilter'? I have
never used a filter such as this, even though I have seen various
similar filters in the list over the years. Normally, my needs
are so simple that the macros one can choose for message
filtering are enough for my needs.

Thanks for your patience. 
 
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Maggie  http://www.OurCabinOnTheCreek.com 

There is no greater power in the universe than the need for
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Re: Archiving attachments

[Jason Gottschalk]

I want it defined in the attachment location directive in settings. This 
way I set it once for all incoming mail without using filters.



On February 5, 2017 4:37:01 AM MAU  wrote:


Hello Jason,


I wish we could use variables (macros) in the attachments folder
setting.. would make life so much easier.


If you mean using macros to define the folder where attachments should
be extracted, I have just tested and they work.

I  the  test filter I posted yesterday I defined the folder to extract
the attachments as:

C:\Datos G\Atachments

Today, for testing, I set it to:

C:\Datos G\Atachments\%Fromfname

And  it  did  work.  When  running  the  filter, several folders where
created  with  the first name of From, and the appropriate attachments
where extracted in each folder. So, it looks like it works

--
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Miguel A. Urech (Els Poblets (Alicante) - Spain)
Using The Bat! v7.4.2.0 Christmas Edition
My photos at: http://mau.smugmug.com
My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com

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Re: Archiving attachments

[MAU]

Hello Jason,

> I wish we could use variables (macros) in the attachments folder 
> setting.. would make life so much easier.

If you mean using macros to define the folder where attachments should
be extracted, I have just tested and they work.

I  the  test filter I posted yesterday I defined the folder to extract
the attachments as:

C:\Datos G\Atachments

Today, for testing, I set it to:

C:\Datos G\Atachments\%Fromfname

And  it  did  work.  When  running  the  filter, several folders where
created  with  the first name of From, and the appropriate attachments
where extracted in each folder. So, it looks like it works

-- 
Best regards,

Miguel A. Urech (Els Poblets (Alicante) - Spain)
Using The Bat! v7.4.2.0 Christmas Edition
My photos at: http://mau.smugmug.com
My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com

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Re: Archiving attachments

[Maxim Masiutin]

Hello Jason,

Saturday, February 4, 2017, 10:13:14 PM, you wrote:

> I wish we could use variables (macros) in the attachments folder 
> setting.. would make life so much easier.

You can add this to The Bat! wishes section at bt.ritlabs.com, this is what we 
like to implement.

-- 
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Director
Ritlabs, SRL



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Re: Archiving attachments

[Jason Gottschalk]

I wish we could use variables (macros) in the attachments folder 
setting.. would make life so much easier.



On February 4, 2017 2:30:24 PM MAU  wrote:


Hello Maggie,


 I haven't archived in what seems like forever. Is there a
 way to save attachments globally? If not, will I  have to go
 through each and every mail to copy out the attachment? Just
 the thought causes headache.

 Thanks for your ideas.


OK,  I'm going to suggest a couple of things. None is perfect.

1.-  You  can  keep  attachments  in  message  bodies or in a separate
directory. See Help/Account/Properties/Files and directories/Attachments

I  assume your current setting is "In message Bodies", and that if you
now  change  to  "In  a  separate directory" this change will apply to
future messages only, and not to those already in message base.

2.-  You can use a manual filter to extract attachments, I have tested
it and it works. Copy the following filter and paste it in the Sorting
of  your  Account. I created it as a 'Read Filter'.

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [55C43EB2.01D27F0F.3F6DB36E.6121BD2A]
Name: ExtAtt
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`21\0D\0A}
ExtractFiles IncrementName AutoPath dir C:\5CDatos\20G\5CAttachments 
dirRelative %EXEDRIVE%\5CDatos\20G\5CAttachments mask *.jpg

IsManual
IsActive
Ignore
endFilter

Once  pasted,  you may change the target directory to your desired one
and/or  the  attachments  'mask'.  I  created  this one to extract JPG
attachments.  Is  no  mask  is  indicated,  all  attachments  will  be
extracted, including .html ones.

Then  select a folder in your folder tree and 'Re-filter' it with Read
Filter, but selecting 'Manual filter only'. You will have to re-filter
each  folder,  one  by one. But it is better than selecting message by
message and copying the attachment(s).

Don't  worry  if  it  doesn't  work  at first, the attachments are NOT
deleted  from  the  message  bodies,  just  extracted.  This may be an
inconvenience  if you also want/wanted to delete them from the message
base.

--
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Miguel A. Urech (Els Poblets (Alicante) - Spain)
Using The Bat! v7.4.2.0 Christmas Edition
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My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com

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Re: Archiving attachments

[MAU]

Hello Maggie,

>  I haven't archived in what seems like forever. Is there a 
>  way to save attachments globally? If not, will I  have to go 
>  through each and every mail to copy out the attachment? Just 
>  the thought causes headache. 
>  
>  Thanks for your ideas. 

OK,  I'm going to suggest a couple of things. None is perfect.

1.-  You  can  keep  attachments  in  message  bodies or in a separate
directory. See Help/Account/Properties/Files and directories/Attachments

I  assume your current setting is "In message Bodies", and that if you
now  change  to  "In  a  separate directory" this change will apply to
future messages only, and not to those already in message base.

2.-  You can use a manual filter to extract attachments, I have tested
it and it works. Copy the following filter and paste it in the Sorting
of  your  Account. I created it as a 'Read Filter'.

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [55C43EB2.01D27F0F.3F6DB36E.6121BD2A]
Name: ExtAtt
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`21\0D\0A}
ExtractFiles IncrementName AutoPath dir C:\5CDatos\20G\5CAttachments 
dirRelative %EXEDRIVE%\5CDatos\20G\5CAttachments mask *.jpg
IsManual
IsActive
Ignore
endFilter

Once  pasted,  you may change the target directory to your desired one
and/or  the  attachments  'mask'.  I  created  this one to extract JPG
attachments.  Is  no  mask  is  indicated,  all  attachments  will  be
extracted, including .html ones.

Then  select a folder in your folder tree and 'Re-filter' it with Read
Filter, but selecting 'Manual filter only'. You will have to re-filter
each  folder,  one  by one. But it is better than selecting message by
message and copying the attachment(s).

Don't  worry  if  it  doesn't  work  at first, the attachments are NOT
deleted  from  the  message  bodies,  just  extracted.  This may be an
inconvenience  if you also want/wanted to delete them from the message
base.

-- 
Best regards,

Miguel A. Urech (Els Poblets (Alicante) - Spain)
Using The Bat! v7.4.2.0 Christmas Edition
My photos at: http://mau.smugmug.com
My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com

Winamp Playing: Michele McLaughlin - Forsaken (CALM RADIO - SOLO
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Archiving attachments

[Maggie Meister]

Greetings Bats,

 I haven't archived in what seems like forever. Is there a 
 way to save attachments globally? If not, will I  have to go 
 through each and every mail to copy out the attachment? Just 
 the thought causes headache. 
 
 Thanks for your ideas. 
  
-- 

Best regards,  http://www.OurCabinOnTheCreek.com 
 Maggie
 A weed is a plant whose virtue is not yet known. -Emerson

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Re: Archiving using folder-specific alternate deletion - cannot use for sent mail folder

[MFPA]

Hi

On Monday 15 December 2008 at 10:58:13 AM, in
mid:1062899693.20081215115...@rancho-k.com, MAU wrote:


 Not without duplicating the folder. What I would do is
 to create a  My_Sent folder and use an Outgoing
 filter to move 'any message' sent to it. It should be
 the last Outgoing filter if you have some others.


Thanks, MAU. That was one of the two methods I thought of. The other
was for the outgoing filter to copy 'any message' to the archive sent
folder and to set the Sent Mail folder to delete messages after NNN
days.


-- 
Best regards,
 
MFPA

The truth is out there.

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Re: Archiving using folder-specific alternate deletion - cannot use for sent mail folder

[MAU]

Hello MFPA,

 Thanks, MAU. That was one of the two methods I thought of. The other
 was for the outgoing filter to copy 'any message' to the archive sent
 folder and to set the Sent Mail folder to delete messages after NNN
 days.

Yes, that should also work.

-- 
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Re: Archiving using folder-specific alternate deletion - cannot use for sent mail folder

[MAU]

Hello MFPA,

 Can anybody suggest a way to automatically archive messages from the
 Sent Mail folders after NNN days, that does not involve duplicating
 the sent mail folders in the tree or holding multiple copies of all my
 sent messages for the NNN days?

Not without duplicating the folder. What I would do is to create a 
My_Sent folder and use an Outgoing filter to move 'any message' sent 
to it. It should be the last Outgoing filter if you have some others.

-- 
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Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
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Archiving using folder-specific alternate deletion - cannot use for sent mail folder

[MFPA]

Hi

I archive the mail from some of my folders using folder-specific
alternate deletion to move the messages to a folder in a
password-protected account after NNN days.

This works well for normal folders but I cannot use this for my Sent
Mail folders as the properties dialogue has nowhere to set deletion
options.

Can anybody suggest a way to automatically archive messages from the
Sent Mail folders after NNN days, that does not involve duplicating
the sent mail folders in the tree or holding multiple copies of all my
sent messages for the NNN days?


-- 
Best regards,
 
MFPA   

My mind works like lightning... one brilliant flash and it's gone

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Re: Archiving Mail

[Urban]

Tuesday, July 10, 2007, ETM wrote:

 But I still would like to be able to easily access that old mail.

If you save as mbg-files you can access them from within Mailbag.

-- 
Urban

Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. They should both be
changed regularly and for the same reason.






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Archiving Mail

[Kitty]

For years, I've archived mail by placing mail in common folders that I
simply named as Archive folders.  I now have well over 700,000 emails
archived most of which I never need to look at but I don't want to
totally get rid of.  What are my options for archiving outside of TB,
but where I could easily look at the emails?

-- 
Best regards,
 Kitty  




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Re: Archiving Mail

[Urban]

Monday, July 9, 2007, Kitty wrote:

 What are my options for archiving outside of TB, but where I could
 easily look at the emails?

Mailbag Assistant comes to mind
http://www.fookes.com/mailbag/index.php

-- 
Urban

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Re: Archiving Mail

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Kitty,

on  Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:33:44 -0500GMT (09.07.2007, 17:33 +0200GMT here),
you wrote:

K For years, I've archived mail by placing mail in common folders that I
K simply named as Archive folders.  I now have well over 700,000 emails
K archived most of which I never need to look at but I don't want to
K totally get rid of.  What are my options for archiving outside of TB,
K but where I could easily look at the emails?

An addition to Urban's proposal: you can even have your archive within
TB! without the need to load the extra 700,000 mails every time TB!
starts: create a new account for your archive and password-protect it.
Then the mails will only be loaded when you open that account.

-- 
Cheers
Peter

Bore, n.: A person who talks when you wish him to listen.
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Re: Archiving Mail

[Marten Gallagher]

 Monday, July 9, 2007, Kitty wrote:

 What are my options for archiving outside of TB, but where I could
 easily look at the emails?

 Mailbag Assistant comes to mind
 http://www.fookes.com/mailbag/index.php

Hmmm I had a look at that as a result of your reply but it doesn't seem to
do the archiving - it just looks at the emails. If I wanted to stoe them
outside TB how would I go about that?

-- 
Marten Gallagher
Annery Kiln Web Design
www.annerykiln.co.uk
Using The Bat! 3.99.3
with K9
on Windows XP 5.1 




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Re: Archiving Mail

[Marten Gallagher]

 Monday, July 9, 2007, Kitty wrote:

 What are my options for archiving outside of TB, but where I could
 easily look at the emails?

 Mailbag Assistant comes to mind
 http://www.fookes.com/mailbag/index.php

 Hmmm I had a look at that as a result of your reply but it doesn't seem to
 do the archiving - it just looks at the emails. If I wanted to stoe them
 outside TB how would I go about that?

OK - I've answered my own question:

I have a common filter set up that is manually asctivated (ALT-Z) to save
the highlighted email as an EML type file in a  directory outside TB.

I then delete ht email from TB.

The filter is:

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [CBEF8150.01C74D4D.60B628FB.7C94FEEE]
Name: Save\20as\20EML
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`0`0`\0D\0A}
ExportMessage Kludges IncrementExist FmtRFC822 filename 
C:\5CDocuments\20and\20Settings\5CMarten\5CMy\20Documents\5CLTAdmin\5CEmailArchives\5C%ODATE\3D\22-mm-dd\22-%ACCOUNTNAME-%SUBJECT.eml
 filenamerelative 
%USERPROFILE%\5CMy\20Documents\5CLTAdmin\5CEmailArchives\5C%ODATE\3D\22-mm-dd\22-%ACCOUNTNAME-%SUBJECT.eml
 template 
Archived:\20%DATE\3D\22-mm-dd\22\0D\0AFolder:\20%ACCOUNTNAME-%FOLDERNAME\0D\0ACreated:\20%ODATE\3D\22-mm-dd\22\20(%ODOW)\20%TIME\3D\22hh:nn\22\0D\0AReceived:\20%ORCVDATE\3D\22-mm-dd\22\20(%ORCVDOW)\20%ORCVTIME\3D\22hh:nn\22\0D\0AFrom:\20%OFROMADDR\20(Reply\20To:\20%OREPLYADDR)\0D\0ATo:\20%OTOADDR\0D\0A\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\0D\0AFrom:\20%OFROMNAME\0D\0ATo:\20%OTONAME\0D\0A\0D\0ASubject:\20%OSUBJECT\0D\0A\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\0D\0A%OTEXT\0D\0A\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\0D\0AATTACHMENTS:\0D\0A%OATTACHMENTS\0D\0A\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\0D\0AAll\20Original\20TO\20addressees:\0D\0A%OTOLIST\0D\0A\0D\0AAll\20Original\20CC\20Addressees:\0D\0A%OCCLIST\0D\0A\0D\0AAll\20Original\20BCC\20Addressees:\0D\0A%OBCCLIST\0D\0A\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\3D\0D\0A
IsManual
IsActive
IsHotkey
IsHotkeyOnly
Ignore
endFilter

Then I use the aforementioned MessgaeBag to access and play with that
directory of old emails.

-- 
Marten Gallagher
Annery Kiln Web Design
www.annerykiln.co.uk
Using The Bat! 3.99.3
with K9
on Windows XP 5.1 




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Re: Archiving Mail

[Mark Partous]

Hello Marten,

Monday, July 9, 2007, 6:39:45 PM, you wrote:

MG Hmmm I had a look at that as a result of your reply but it doesn't seem to
MG do the archiving - it just looks at the emails.

Oh dear! And I thought all the mail I wanted to preserve resides in Mailbag
archives. Not only the the messages received in TB! but also in Poco, OE a.o.

:-)

Seems you did not take a good look, or your definition of archiving differs
from mine...

-- 
Best Wishes,
Mark
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Re: Archiving Mail

[ETM]

 Oh dear! And I thought all the mail I wanted to
 preserve resides in Mailbag
 archives. Not only the the messages received in
 TB! but also in Poco, OE a.o.

What does that mean, does it or doesn't it work as
an archiver?



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Re: Archiving Mail

[Mark Partous]

Hello ETM,

Monday, July 9, 2007, 10:51:47 PM, you wrote:

E What does that mean, does it or doesn't it work as
E an archiver?

,--/ from the website: \
|  If you're buried alive in e-mail, let Mailbag Assistant come to the rescue
|  with tools to search, organize, analyze and archive your mountain of messages
|  ­- tools that are probably inadequate or unavailable in your mail program.
`-8---

In Mailbag Assistant, you open your TB! files, choose which messages you want
to archive, then copy them to a Mailbag (archive) file.

I think it is clear I was not using the word archiving as in compression
tools such as PK/Win/7-zip, Winrar e tutti quanti... :-)

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Mark
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Re: Archiving Mail

[ETM]

 I think it is clear I was not using the word
 archiving as in compression
 tools such as PK/Win/7-zip, Winrar e tutti quanti... :-)


Can you move that archive away from TB! and use
Mailbag to open it, say, on an external hard
drive?

--







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Re: Archiving Mail

[Mark Partous]

Hello ETM,

Monday, July 9, 2007, 11:30:42 PM, you wrote:

E Can you move that archive away from TB! and use
E Mailbag to open it, say, on an external hard
E drive?

Yes.

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Mark
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Re: Archiving Mail

[ETM]

E Can you move that archive away from TB! and use
E Mailbag to open it, say, on an external hard
E drive?

 Yes.

Thanks, I will most likely buy Mailbag.  I am
awaiting delivery of a laptop with Vista, will
upgrade to current TB! on the laptop.  I am using
an older version of TB! on my PC.  I am making an
effort to be ready for the unknown when I start
moving data and moving the old very large (around
2GB) accumulation of mail to the active mail
program is not appealing.  But I still would like
to be able to easily access that old mail.

--





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Archiving in a database

[Jan Rifkinson]

Battyfolk,

I'm wondering about the best way to do this. I know the different
formats that TB! can save files in  I've found that 'eml' is probably
the best way to go for my purposes (buy maybe not).

In saving a folder of msgs to 'eml' the problems I ran across are

each msg has to be saved individually
each msg with the same subj can't be over-written

With all msgs saved to eml format in one folder, I get headers + msgs
which I can then import as separate items in a database. There may be
other ways...

Any better archiving ideas?

Thanks.

-- 
Jan Rifkinson
Ridgefield, CT USA
TB!3.96.15, , Windows 2000, Service Pack 4
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Re: Archiving in a database

[Mark Partous]

Hello Jan,

Sunday, February 25, 2007, 7:29:14 PM, you wrote:

JR With all msgs saved to eml format in one folder, I get headers + msgs
JR which I can then import as separate items in a database. There may be
JR other ways...

JR Any better archiving ideas?

No, I suppose you have other goals than archiving.
I simply use Mailbag Assistant...

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Re: Archiving old emails

[Feli Wilcke]

Hello Harald,

On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 07:05:33 +0100GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Rgd What I want is to outsource old emails to reduce the (USB) disk
Rgd usage from about 1GB down to 600MB for example. Or to generally limit
Rgd the disk usage to 500MB or whatsoever.

Give mailbag assistant a try (http://www.fookes.com/mailbag/) It's not
free but worth the money

-- 
Regards,
Feli

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Archiving old emails

[REZK945]

Hi,
I am trying to find a solution to backup/archive old emails. My
intention is to put them out of TheBat Voyager to save space on my USB
memory stick. Frequently I get emails with large attachments, so I would
like to archive (even triggered manually if necessary) old mails, e.g. older
than 1 year, on CD or somewhere similar. The usual archiving and
backup tasks within TheBat/Voyager probably work, but they need to import the 
files back to
TheBat/Voyager if I need to search within them.
My wish is to be able to search the archives without importing so that I
do not need to blow up my Voyager/mail directory again.

Is there any possibility for such an archiving idea? If not, what else
can I do?
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Re: Archiving old emails

[Perry Nelson]

Hi REZK945,

Wednesday, January 31, 2007, 6:22:12 PM, you wrote:

Rgd Is there any possibility for such an archiving idea?

  You might want to take a look at this link as a possibility ...

  http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/tbudp/tiki-index.php?page=Archive+Folders

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Re: Archiving old emails

[REZK945]

Hi Perry,


 Hi REZK945,
 Wednesday, January 31, 2007, 6:22:12 PM, you wrote:

Rgd Is there any possibility for such an archiving idea?

   You might want to take a look at this link as a possibility ...

 http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/tbudp/tiki-index.php?page=Archive+Folders

This is indeed a nice trick. But one important point of my
requirements is missing: The memory usage is more increased instead of
being decreased. I want the archived emails out of the TheBat
directory.
What I want is to outsource old emails to reduce the (USB) disk
usage from about 1GB down to 600MB for example. Or to generally limit
the disk usage to 500MB or whatsoever.
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Re: archiving emails in pdf

[Vili]

S Is there any way to export emails in format that preserves/has some
S look-n-feel with embedded attachements.
S I would like archives my all mails in single pdf file.

I  have  tried to print them into PDF, but it did not work... The text
of  the  HTML  mail was printed over the background (perfect), but the
text background was white (bad...).

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archiving emails in pdf

[SD]

Hi,

Is there any way to export emails in format that preserves/has some
look-n-feel with embedded attachements.

I would like archives my all mails in single pdf file.

Any suggestions,

SD

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automatically archiving the Inbox

[Mike F]

Hello,

I have a read messages filter that moves messages in my Inbox that
are more than 60 days old to an archive folder.  The filter is active
but it only works when I manually re-filter my Inbox.  Is there some
way to make this filter run automatically?

I know it is recommended to keep the size of the Inbox small.  Is it
also recommended to keep the Sent Mail folder small?

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Re: automatically archiving the Inbox

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Mike,

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:52:14 -0500 GMT (21/01/2005, 06:52 +0700 GMT),
Mike F wrote:

MF I have a read messages filter that moves messages in my Inbox that
MF are more than 60 days old to an archive folder.  The filter is active
MF but it only works when I manually re-filter my Inbox.  Is there some
MF way to make this filter run automatically?

No, TB will filter automatically only on messages that are received in
the Inbox via POP or IMAP. there may be a command-line paramter in the
meantime though, I didn't check.

MF I know it is recommended to keep the size of the Inbox small. Is
MF it also recommended to keep the Sent Mail folder small?

Yes. What both folders have in common is that they are high-traffic
folders. Mails come into the Inbox will will then be moved somewhere
else by Incoming filters; sent messages will go to the Sent folder and
then be moved by Outgoing filters.

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Re: automatically archiving the Inbox

[Chris]

Mike F @ 2005-Jan-20 6:52:14 PM
automatically archiving the Inbox mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I have a read messages filter that moves messages in my Inbox that
 are more than 60 days old to an archive folder. The filter is active
 but it only works when I manually re-filter my Inbox. Is there some
 way to make this filter run automatically?

Yes, but it does not use a filter. Right-click on Inbox and go to
properties. Check the box by Keep messages in base for (days) and
enter 60. Then, open your account properties. Go to Deletion. Under
Alternate Deletion, select Move to the specified folder. Also check
Use alternative deletion method for purging folders.

Now, every time you purge your folders, the messages will be moved.
Under Options - Preferences, I configured The Bat! to automatically
purge folders on exit.

Folders other than the Inbox can also be configured this way. However,
they have their own Deletion tab in their properties.

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Re[2]: automatically archiving the Inbox

[Mike F]

Chris,

Thursday, January 20, 2005, 9:11:46 PM, you wrote:

C Right-click on Inbox and go to properties. Check the box by Keep
C messages in base for (days) and enter 60. Then, open your account
C properties. Go to Deletion. Under Alternate Deletion, select
C Move to the specified folder. Also check Use alternative
C deletion method for purging folders.

C Now, every time you purge your folders, the messages will be moved.
Under Options - Preferences, I configured The Bat! to automatically
C purge folders on exit.

Thanks, I would have never guessed this behavior in a million years.

However, does this mean that if I purge a folder other than my Inbox,
its messages will go to the same folder I am using for my Inbox
archive?  I am asking because I don't see anything in Account
Properties/Deletion that specifies that this behavior is for Inbox
only.

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Re: automatically archiving the Inbox

[Chris]

Mike F @ 2005-Jan-20 9:39:45 PM
automatically archiving the Inbox mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 However, does this mean that if I purge a folder other than my
 Inbox, its messages will go to the same folder I am using for my
 Inbox archive? I am asking because I don't see anything in Account
 Properties/Deletion that specifies that this behavior is for Inbox
 only.

Yes. But you can configure every other folder individually to override
the account wide settings.

I was thinks of putting in a feature request regarding this. The
deletion settings under the account properties would be the default
for every folder. However, each folder (including the Inbox) could
have its own settings. At the top of the tab within the folder's
properties, there could be a checkbox that says something along the
lines of Define folder-specific settings that would enable custom
deletion settings for that folder. This interface would be similar to
setting up address book templates.

Thoughts?

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Re[2]: automatically archiving the Inbox

[Mike F]

Chris,

Thursday, January 20, 2005, 10:20:00 PM, you wrote:

C Yes. But you can configure every other folder individually to
C override the account wide settings.

In that case, I am going to stick with manual filtering.  Setting up
all of those overrides is too much work for me.  Thanks Chris for
explaining all of this.

C I was thinks of putting in a feature request regarding this. The
C deletion settings under the account properties would be the default
C for every folder. However, each folder (including the Inbox) could
C have its own settings. At the top of the tab within the folder's
C properties, there could be a checkbox that says something along the
C lines of Define folder-specific settings that would enable custom
C deletion settings for that folder. This interface would be similar to
C setting up address book templates.

C Thoughts?

I think hooking archive functionality into alternative deletion and
purging is very cryptic.  I think there should be a clearly named
Archive property at the folder level.  There could also be an
Archive property at the account level but I wouldn't have any use for
it.

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Re: automatically archiving the Inbox

[Robin Anson]

On Fri 21 January 2005, 14:20:00 +1000, Chris wrote:
 Yes. But you can configure every other folder individually to override
 the account wide settings.

An alternative approach would be to create a new folder, called say
Inbox2, and automatically move all received emails from Inbox to Inbox2.
This would effectively bypass Inbox and make Inbox2 your real inbox.

Then set up the purging after 60 days and apply folder specific deletion
settings to Inbox2.

 I was thinks of putting in a feature request regarding this. The
 deletion settings under the account properties would be the default
 for every folder. However, each folder (including the Inbox) could
 have its own settings. At the top of the tab within the folder's
 properties, there could be a checkbox that says something along the
 lines of Define folder-specific settings that would enable custom
 deletion settings for that folder. This interface would be similar to
 setting up address book templates.

 Thoughts?

I think it is a good idea.

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Re: Archiving Messages

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Chris,
Friday, August 6, 2004, 8:01:12 AM, you wrote:

C What is the best way to archive messages in The Bat? I have 2 specific situations 
in mind:

C Sit #1: I have a number of email accounts setup in The Bat. In
C my main one, I have a couple of folders that no
C longer receive messages. I would like to remove them from the
C view, but still have the option, at a later date, to
C view the folders  messages again (at least temporarily, before removing them 
again).

C Sit #2: As well as my main email account,  a couple of others
C that get some use, I have 3 old accounts that, due
C to not being with the respective ISP's anymore, do not get
C used. However, they still have the old messages in them
C that were sent to those addresses. One in particular is quite
C big,  takes a bit of time to load fully when The Bat
C starts up. It's the same deal as sit #1 above - I want to
C remove these accounts from the view, but if I ever need
C to view the messages again, I want to be able to add them back in (temporarily).

This could be too simplistic, but you could just create a directory
called Mail Archive, and move the folder for the account that is
currently in the Mail folder, into the Mail Archive folder. You could
then just move it back again when you need to access it. I think you
will have to do something to reinitialize your folder structure in The
Bat!, but I am not sure of which files contain that info. I'm sure one
of the mods would know though.

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Re: Archiving Messages

[Joseph N.]

On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 05:41:47 GMT, Chris wrote:

 highlight every message, then export. As well as taking a long
 time with lots of folders to export, this wouldn't keep the
 folder structure that I have now. Do I have this right? 
 
Yes, I think you have it correct.  You can select all msgs in a 
folder by clicking in the message list and pressing Ctrl-A.  As for 
the folder structure, you would have to recreate it in Windows.

Stuart's suggestion of just relocating your TB! folders into a new 
Windows archive directory is not a bad one.  You would go into 
Windows, and move them out of your default directory.  When you need 
them again, re-import them.  This approach keeps you bound to the TB! 
file format, which has some long term risk if the messages *must* be 
accessible into the future, but otherwise seems fairly 
straightforward.

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Re: Archiving Messages

[Chris]

 Stuart's suggestion of just relocating your TB! folders into a new 
 Windows archive directory is not a bad one.  You would go into 
 Windows, and move them out of your default directory.  When you need
 them again, re-import them.  This approach keeps you bound to the TB!
 file format, which has some long term risk if the messages *must* be
 accessible into the future, but otherwise seems fairly 
 straightforward.

Thanks to both Stuart  Joseph. I will give Stuart's suggestion a try first. I have no 
current plans to move away from The Bat!, it's just that because of how many old 
messages there are, The Bat! takes quite a while to fully get up  running, so I just 
wanted them out of the way (seeing as how I can't recall the last time I actually 
needed to look at one). Keeping the same folder structure is a bonus. In the future, 
if for some reason I need to have a message in another format, I can easily re-import 
the messages  then (using Joseph's suggestion), export them. Thanks again guys :-)

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Archiving Messages

[Chris]

Hi everyone,

What is the best way to archive messages in The Bat? I have 2 specific situations in 
mind:

Sit #1: I have a number of email accounts setup in The Bat. In my main one, I have a 
couple of folders that no
longer receive messages. I would like to remove them from the view, but still have the 
option, at a later date, to
view the folders  messages again (at least temporarily, before removing them again).

Sit #2: As well as my main email account,  a couple of others that get some use, I 
have 3 old accounts that, due
to not being with the respective ISP's anymore, do not get used. However, they still 
have the old messages in them
that were sent to those addresses. One in particular is quite big,  takes a bit of 
time to load fully when The Bat
starts up. It's the same deal as sit #1 above - I want to remove these accounts from 
the view, but if I ever need
to view the messages again, I want to be able to add them back in (temporarily).

If anyone could help me, that would be great (using The Bat! v2.12.00 on XP Home).

Thanks,

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Re: Archiving Messages

[Joseph N.]

On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:01:12 GMT, Chris wrote:

 What is the best way to archive messages in The Bat? 

IMO there are two best ways to go.  One is to export the 
messages to a Unix-style mailbox.  Tools/Export/Unix.  That is a 
stable format that can be imported by many programs, including TB! 
and Thunderbird.  The advantage of this route is that the mail 
sits on your computer ready to be used if necessary but otherwise 
out of the way in a multi-vendor format that is likely to be 
accessible into the near future.  The other approach is to use an 
e-mail archiving program, such as Mailbag Assistant.  
www.fookes.com/mailbag  The advantage of using Mailbag Assistant 
is that you could filter, search, import/export, and reply from 
that program; additionally, you could use it to archive mail from 
many different programs.  

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Re: Archiving Messages

[Chris]

 IMO there are two best ways to go.  One is to export the 
 messages to a Unix-style mailbox.  Tools/Export/Unix.  That is a 
 stable format that can be imported by many programs, including TB! 
 and Thunderbird.  The advantage of this route is that the mail 
 sits on your computer ready to be used if necessary but otherwise 
 out of the way in a multi-vendor format that is likely to be 
 accessible into the near future.  The other approach is to use an 
 e-mail archiving program, such as Mailbag Assistant.

Hi Joseph,

Thanks for the reply. I would prefer to go with option 1. From what I can see, I 
export the messages to a file, then go into The Bat!  delete the messages  accounts 
I've exported,  then at a later date, I can just import them again? The only problem 
I can see with this is that the export command doesn't seem to work directly on 
folders or accounts. Instead, you have to go into each folder separately, highlight 
every message, then export. As well as taking a long time with lots of folders to 
export, this wouldn't keep the folder structure that I have now. Do I have this right?

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Re[2]: Archiving again!

[Barry Higginbottom]

Hello Frank,

Saturday, November 15, 2003, 2:10:59 PM, you wrote:

FJdB I got the same thing and I've fiddled around a little. I got rid
FJdB off the error message by also specifying a valid folder name in
FJdB the normal deletion field.

FJdB This allowed me to close the window without error message.

FJdB Afterwards I set the normal deletion back to the default.

 Thanks, that fixed it for me, must be a little buglet in there
 somewhere

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Archiving again!

[Barry Higginbottom]

Dear TB Users

 I'm trying to set up an automatic archiving routine that moves
 messages from my Inbox to my Archives\Kentra folder

 I can set up Inbox Properties to:

 Remove Old Messages after 30 days

 I am trying to setup the alternative deletion method to purge
 messages to the \\\Archives\Kentra folder but every time I click
 on OK I get:

 A valid name should be specified for the alternative deletion
 folder

 I have used the Browse button to fill in the folder name.

 How more valid can that be?

 Any suggestions, folks?

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Re: Archiving again!

[Allie Martin]

Barry Higginbottom, [BH] wrote:

BH I'm trying to set up an automatic archiving routine that moves
BH messages from my Inbox to my Archives\Kentra folder

BH I can set up Inbox Properties to:

BH Remove Old Messages after 30 days

Ok.

BH I am trying to setup the alternative deletion method to purge
BH messages to the \\\Archives\Kentra folder

I was wondering what you were referring to and Wow!!, a feature that
I've long been awaiting is there, i.e., purging old messages to an
archive folder elsewhere. For those who didn't know this, each folder's
properties now has a 'Deletion' tab.

BH but every time I click on OK I get:

BH A valid name should be specified for the alternative deletion
BH folder

I just setup my TBUDL folder and got no such errors here.

BH I have used the Browse button to fill in the folder name.

BH How more valid can that be?

BH Any suggestions, folks?

H. Have you tried giving the target folder a different name. Are you
using a disallowed character in the naming?

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Re: Archiving again!

[Frank J de Bruin]

Hello Barry,
BH  A valid name should be specified for the alternative deletion
BH  folder

I got the same thing and I've fiddled around a little. I got rid off
the error message by also specifying a valid folder name in the
normal deletion field.

This allowed me to close the window without error message.

Afterwards I set the normal deletion back to the default.

Frank


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Re: Archiving again!

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Allie,

on Sat, 15 Nov 2003 08:18:08 -0500GMT (15.11.03, 14:18 +0100GMT here),
you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

BH I am trying to setup the alternative deletion method to purge
BH messages to the \\\Archives\Kentra folder

AM I was wondering what you were referring to and Wow!!, a feature that
AM I've long been awaiting is there, i.e., purging old messages to an
AM archive folder elsewhere. For those who didn't know this, each folder's
AM properties now has a 'Deletion' tab.

Thanks a lot! I'm one of those who hadn't realized this before. But
then, I don't examine my folder options too often... *S*

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Re: Archiving again!

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Allie,

@15-Nov-2003, 08:18 -0500 (15-Nov 13:18 UK time) Allie Martin [A] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Barry:

BH A valid name should be specified for the alternative deletion
BH folder

A I just setup my TBUDL folder and got no such errors here.

... while I am completely unable to enter any name in that field at
all. It remains stubbornly unwilling to accept anything I type. And
yes, I did select the Move to specified folder radio button before
starting.

BH I have used the Browse button to fill in the folder name.

... and my browse button does nothing. Hmmm. Looks like there is
something very not always about the implementation of this field.

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Re[2]: Archiving (was too many mails)

[Gerrit Kruijer]

Hi Martin,
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, at 22:03:21 [GMT +] (which was 23:03 where I
live) you wrote:

MW To continue the example, I keep messages in my TBUDL folder for 90 days
MW before they are moved to the corresponding archive folder. To do this
MW check the following in the Account Properties - General tab:

MW - - Keep messages in the base for (days) e.g. 90
MW - - Remove old messages

MW And on the Deletion tab:

MW - - Use folder-specific deletion settings
MW - - Move to the specified folder (under Alternative deletion) e.g.
MW Archive\Mailing lists\TBUDL
MW - - Use alternative deletion for purging this folder

MW With these settings old messages are automatically archived when you
MW exit the program or use Shift+Delete.

Thank you for the detailed explanation. I have set up this now exactly
as you described.


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Re[2]: Archiving (was too many mails)

[Gerrit Kruijer]

Hi Edgar,
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, at 22:14:11 [GMT +0100] (which was 22:14 where I
live) you wrote:

E Did you first create the common folder?
Not at first. Now i have and uses the solution from Martin.

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Re: Archiving (was too many mails)

[Gerard]

ON Monday, October 27, 2003, 11:03:21 PM, you wrote:
MW - - Keep messages in the base for (days) e.g. 90
MW - - Remove old messages

MW And on the Deletion tab:

MW - - Use folder-specific deletion settings
MW - - Move to the specified folder (under Alternative deletion) e.g.
MW Archive\Mailing lists\TBUDL
MW - - Use alternative deletion for purging this folder

MW With these settings old messages are automatically archived when you
MW exit the program or use Shift+Delete.

Hi Martin,

How do you then access this archive?

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Re: Archiving (was too many mails)

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Hello Gerard,

On 28 October 2003, 15:46 +0100 ( 14:46 local time) Gerard [G] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

MW - - Keep messages in the base for (days) e.g. 90
MW - - Remove old messages

MW And on the Deletion tab:

MW - - Use folder-specific deletion settings
MW - - Move to the specified folder (under Alternative deletion) e.g.
MW Archive\Mailing lists\TBUDL
MW - - Use alternative deletion for purging this folder

MW With these settings old messages are automatically archived when you
MW exit the program or use Shift+Delete.

G How do you then access this archive?

Using TB! I have an archive folder in the account tree but the messages
are located on a different drive. Thus, the archive folder is excluded
from my daily TB! backup. No need for an external program as I can
search the archive directly.

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Archiving (was too many mails)

[Gerrit Kruijer]

Hi tbudl,
I want to archive my mail using the suggestion of purge my mail to a
folder called Archive. However, when i want to change the behaviour of
the folder (account properties deletion alternative deletion) i get an
error when i browse to  my folder i get an error saying i must use a
valid name for it. (name was \\\Archive).
Any suggestions wat is wrong?
  

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Re[2]: Archiving (was too many mails)

[Gerrit Kruijer]

Hi Pixie,
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, at 13:59:23 [GMT -0500] (which was 19:59 where I
live) you wrote:


P Try tweaking the archive folder properties some, retrying the
P alternative delete setup, that helped here FWIW.

That works. Thank you.


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Re: Archiving (was too many mails)

[Martin Webster]

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Hello Gerrit,

On 27 October 2003, 18:57 +0100 ( 17:57 local time) Gerrit Kruijer [GK]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

GK I want to archive my mail using the suggestion of purge my mail to a
GK folder called Archive. However, when i want to change the behaviour of
GK the folder (account properties deletion alternative deletion) i get an
GK error when i browse to  my folder i get an error saying i must use a
GK valid name for it. (name was \\\Archive).
GK Any suggestions wat is wrong?

Did you create the folder in the account tree first? For example,
D:\Mail Archive\Mailing lists\TBUDL corresponds to Archive\Mailing
lists\TBUDL in TB!

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Re[2]: Archiving (was too many mails)

[Gerrit Kruijer]

Hi Martin,
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, at 19:16:02 [GMT +] (which was 20:16 where I
live) you wrote:

MW Did you create the folder in the account tree first? For example,
MW D:\Mail Archive\Mailing lists\TBUDL corresponds to Archive\Mailing
MW lists\TBUDL in TB!

No, i didn't. I made a new common folder Archive and i would like to
store messages in there when i delete or purge them. I get the
mistakes when i try to change the properties-deletion.
I think i can't do that, can i?
My mailinglists are all common folders with no mistakes when i changed
the deletion options.



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Re: Archiving (was too many mails)

[Edgar]

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Hello Gerrit,

On Monday, October 27, 2003, 6:57:03 PM, you wrote:

 Hi tbudl,
 I want to archive my mail using the suggestion of purge my mail to a
 folder called Archive. However, when i want to change the behaviour of
 the folder (account properties deletion alternative deletion) i get an
 error when i browse to  my folder i get an error saying i must use a
 valid name for it. (name was \\\Archive).
 Any suggestions wat is wrong?

I've on my account News the folder TBUDL.
I've created a common folder called archive.
Than one folder below that called TBUDL.

Then I go to the TBUDL folder in my account News and I set the
deletion to alternative and move to folder \\\Archief\TBUDL.
Select compress automatically and on the first tab hold messages
for 40 days.

This works without an error.
I can change the \\\Archief\TBUDL to an other folder (Which I
create first) without error.

I've changed the names to \\\Archive\TBUDL (had to select the
folder again on the deletion page since it kept the \\\Archief
name) But this works also without error.

Did you first create the common folder?

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Re: Archiving (was too many mails)

[Martin Webster]

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Hello Gerrit,

On 27 October 2003, 21:07 +0100 ( 20:07 local time) Gerrit Kruijer [GK]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

MW Did you create the folder in the account tree first? For example,
MW D:\Mail Archive\Mailing lists\TBUDL corresponds to Archive\Mailing
MW lists\TBUDL in TB!

GK No, i didn't. I made a new common folder Archive and i would like to
GK store messages in there when i delete or purge them. I get the
GK mistakes when i try to change the properties-deletion.
GK I think i can't do that, can i?
GK My mailinglists are all common folders with no mistakes when i changed
GK the deletion options.

That's what I mean when I refer to the account tree. I use common
folders too.

To continue the example, I keep messages in my TBUDL folder for 90 days
before they are moved to the corresponding archive folder. To do this
check the following in the Account Properties - General tab:

- - Keep messages in the base for (days) e.g. 90
- - Remove old messages

And on the Deletion tab:

- - Use folder-specific deletion settings
- - Move to the specified folder (under Alternative deletion) e.g.
Archive\Mailing lists\TBUDL
- - Use alternative deletion for purging this folder

With these settings old messages are automatically archived when you
exit the program or use Shift+Delete.

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Re: System for archiving

[Adam]

Hello Pixie,

Monday, September 8, 2003, 10:28:20 PM, you wrote:

P I've run the dupe killer many times and it has always left the read
P copy if there is one. AFAIK it only uses the MSG-ID to determine if
P dupes are present, and doesn't span folders.  So the same message in
P two different folders is not found.  I think this also is the case
P with nested folders.

Ok then. A little confusion.

I copied some adjacent threads from this one to a new folder. I copied
ALL, and then set to Unread. Copied all to another, and then set all
to Read. Then I copied all contents of both to a new folder.

For these threads, after using Kill Dupes, I got:
'Cosmetic Bug...' 3 of 6 total left unread.
'Received registration...' 2 of 3 left Unread.
'Max number of stored...' 4 of 6 left unread.

Since I had marked all these threads as Read, the Read messages should
be the only ones that remain. Try a similar experiment?

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Re: System for archiving

[Adam]

So my question is with these duplicates. The method I described I was
saying it could work effectively if TB was convinced to kill the
Unread messages. If it kills Read messages, then I will be left with
two batches of the same Unread messages.  If it does cut out the
extraneous chaff, and delete not just *comparable* but *identical*
messages, then it will leave a complete archive. (Unless I'm
mistaken.) How does Kill Dupes work?

Am I right in what I said? Can it be convinced to do this?

One day here to experiment if there's some ideas.

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System for archiving

[Adam]

One way to archive messages is if you have a filter to copy all
incoming messages destined for that folder, copy to another folder. If
you do this though, the archive will not indicate which messages were
read, and which not. No statuses. So, do you think that can be
achieved?

I was thinking, well a Read filter could copy messages to that same
destination folder. So then, you'd have all the messages. Plus a bunch
of duplicates. So maybe you could try going to that folder. And
clicking Kill Dupes.

I wonder if you have tried such a solution. Or have you tried some
other method to create an archive, and either succeeded or failed at
it?

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Re: System for archiving

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Hello Adam,

Sunday, September 7, 2003, 4:24:58 PM, you wrote:

A One way to archive messages is if you have a filter to copy all
A incoming messages destined for that folder, copy to another folder. If
A you do this though, the archive will not indicate which messages were
A read, and which not. No statuses. So, do you think that can be
A achieved?

A I was thinking, well a Read filter could copy messages to that same
A destination folder. So then, you'd have all the messages. Plus a bunch
A of duplicates. So maybe you could try going to that folder. And
A clicking Kill Dupes.

A I wonder if you have tried such a solution. Or have you tried some
A other method to create an archive, and either succeeded or failed at
A it?

I archive my mailing lists using a manual filter that moves old
messages to an archive folder, which is located on another drive. Dare
I say, it's a bit like Outlook archive settings except I cannot
automate the method. Perhaps, some day scheduler could be used to
automatically run filters?

My archive is separate from the main message base because I like to
keep my C:\ drive small enough to fit on 3 CD/Rs. The archive folders
are available from TB! too - I find it much better at managing my
archive that Mailbag Assistant.

M
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Re: System for archiving

[Adam]

Hello Adam,

Sunday, September 7, 2003, 12:54:58 PM, you wrote:

A I was thinking, well a Read filter could copy messages to that same
A destination folder. So then, you'd have all the messages. Plus a bunch
A of duplicates. So maybe you could try going to that folder. And
A clicking Kill Dupes.

The problem is that if you kill duplicates, it seems to kill all the
Read messages. Can others confirm?

If it did kill the right ones, and Maintenance features could be
scheduled, then the system would work pretty well.

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Re: System for archiving

[Martin Webster]

Hello Adam,

Sunday, September 7, 2003, 8:28:54 PM, you wrote:

A I wonder if you have tried such a solution. Or have you tried
A some other method to create an archive, and either succeeded or
A failed at it?

MW I archive my mailing lists using a manual filter that moves old
MW messages to an archive folder, which is located on another drive. Dare

A So are you moving like all the mail. Like a null string for the
A Filtering String?

MW Did you mean to reply to the list?

A You mean, just now? I thought I'd PM (private mail) just so I'd
A understand the details, and how it relates to the goal, before
A continuing the thread on-line.

MW My mailing lists are in common folders so I've created a read message
MW filter that searches for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for this list)
MW and moves messages older than 90 days (or whatever). This feature is in
MW the Advanced tab. To archive, I right-click on the folder and select
MW Re-filter Messages.

A I think I tried a filter to try archiving. But it took like 10
A minutes, or half hour or something. Rather long.

Should take that long. Maybe first time will be a little longer but
not 10 or more minutes. Have you run the Folder Maintenance Centre?

A Does the process produce duplicates?

MW None, the messages are moved.

A Ah. Sounds like you are just dividing sections of messages. Perhaps
A parcelling off some older messages, just into a section more
A cultivated for older messages maybe. As opposed to maintaining a
A complete archive off from the main store, or list mail from TBUDL, for
A example.

I guess so. However, between the two folders I have a complete
archive. I don't need a single archive folder as TB! can search
selected folders as if they're all together.

MW TB! is great for searching so I decided not to buy Mailbag Assistant.

A Yep. MA seems to have a different model for how you'll be operating.

What I really would like is some way of automating the archiving
process.

A The archiving topic has turned up a lot on TBUDL. But mostly they
A recommended MA. And the within-TB solutions were not terribly well
A described. So I felt there may be a hole in my knowledge somewhere,
A and thought I'd probe.

I can't see any benefit in having MBA - TB! seems to manager mail
better and is really fast at searching.

M
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Re: archiving

[Q179]

Hey Geoff,

How exactly do I sign off the list?  Much appreciated.

Eddie

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Re: archiving

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Hello Q179,

Friday, July 11, 2003, 8:16:21 AM, you wrote:
Qac 
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moderator

At the bottom of every message you receive from the TB lists is the
above. Clicking that link will take you to the page showing all of the
information you need to manage a subscription to the TB lists.

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Re: archiving

[Geoff Lane]

On 09 July 2003, 01:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 A couple of weeks ago I asked about the best way to archive TB mail.
 Someone was kind enough to reply with a third party app that seemed
 like the best option.

 Unfortunately I misplaced the email with the link. Would someone be
 kind enough to reply with that link?

 Also...I'd like to switch my email address for this mailing list
 from this crappy AOL address...to one on my own domain. How can I
 make the change?
~~~

At a guess, that would be Mailbag Assistant, by George Fookes
(http://www.fookes.com/)

The easiest way that I can think of to change subscription e-mail
address is to sign off the list then sign on with the required
address.

HTH,

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archiving

[Q179]

Hello,

A couple of weeks ago I asked about the best way to archive TB mail.  Someone was kind 
enough to reply with a third party app that seemed like the best option.

Unfortunately I misplaced the email with the link.  Would someone be kind enough to 
reply with that link?

Also...I'd like to switch my email address for this mailing list from this crappy AOL 
address...to one on my own domain.  How can I make the change?

Much appreciated.

Eddie


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Re: archiving

[Eddie Castelli]

Dear Eddie (Q179),

 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mittwoch, 09.07.2003, 02:08:56
archiving


 A couple of weeks ago [...] Would someone be kind enough to reply
 with that link?

This is what I found ...

== mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Roelof  Marck gave you two internal solutions, there is also an
 external one, such als Mailbag Assistant www.fookes.com .
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Archiving

[Gnter Minnerup]

Does TB get upset if an existing folder is moved to a different
location?
What I'm thinking about is to create an Archive folder containing
old stuff which I can then put somewhere else to stop TB from using
it. And perhaps bring it back whenever required?
Though I'm asking I suspect the answer is that this ain't possible. So
what about exporting the contents of the folder, to re-import it again
should it be needed?
I've looked at Mailbag Assistant but don't like it...

Regards,
Günter  

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Re: Archiving

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Günter,

On Tue, 3 Jun 2003 03:55:55 +1000GMT (2-6-03, 19:55 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

GM Does TB get upset if an existing folder is moved to a different
GM location?

No, it creates a new messages.tbb and messages.tbi file. Both empty
files, since TB can't recover any messages.
On copying the messages.tb? files back (take care that TB is closed
when you're doing this, just in case) TB will happily access the new
messagebase.

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Archiving of my mails

[Biju Nair]

Dear Friends!!

Kindly help me regarding archiving of my mails.
  Nature of my work requires me to take daily backup of my mails  the
  backup is now of size 340 MBs . Please let me know is there any
  feature available which enables me to take an archive of of my mails
  up to certain date  free my mailbox from those mails.
  If so then also please suggest how can I then retrieve my archive of mails
  over  above my current mails at any point of time.


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Re: Archiving of my mails

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Biju,

@21-Mar-2003, 15:32 +0530 (10:02 UK time) Biju Nair [BN] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

BN Kindly help me regarding archiving of my mails. Nature of my
BN work requires me to take daily backup of my mails  the backup
BN is now of size 340 MBs . Please let me know is there any feature
BN available which enables me to take an archive of of my mails up
BN to certain date  free my mailbox from those mails. If so then
BN also please suggest how can I then retrieve my archive of mails
BN over  above my current mails at any point of time.

I sometimes move old messages to an Archive folder, export the
folder to a Unix Mailbox format then delete the folder within TB. If
I need to get them back at any point, I simply recreate the folder
and import the mailbox back in again.

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Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Biju.

Please don't use reply to start a new thread. Your question has been
posted at the bottom of un unrelated topic. The Bat! is a threading
mail client.

See View | View threads by | Reference to see where it ended up.

The result is that it will only be seen by those reading that thread
instead of by all users.

I recommend that you post your question again using a New message
if you want to see more replies to your query.
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Re: Archiving of my mails

[Martin Webster]

Hello Biju,

Friday, March 21, 2003, 10:02:59 AM, you wrote:

BN Kindly help me regarding archiving of my mails. Nature of my
BN work requires me to take daily backup of my mails  the backup
BN is now of size 340 MBs . Please let me know is there any feature
BN available which enables me to take an archive of of my mails up
BN to certain date  free my mailbox from those mails. If so then
BN also please suggest how can I then retrieve my archive of mails
BN over  above my current mails at any point of time.   

You may wish to check out Mailbag Assistant: http://www.fookes.com/mailbag/index.html 
I haven't used this product but if it's half as good as NoteTab Pro (by the same 
author) it's worth a try.

M
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Re[2]: Archiving of my mails

[Joseph N.]

BN Kindly help me regarding archiving of my mails. Nature of my
BN work requires me to take daily backup of my mails  the backup
BN is now of size 340 MBs . Please let me know is there any feature
BN available which enables me to take an archive of of my mails up
BN to certain date  free my mailbox from those mails. If so then
BN also please suggest how can I then retrieve my archive of mails
BN over  above my current mails at any point of time.

MW You may wish to check out Mailbag Assistant:
MW http://www.fookes.com/mailbag/index.html I haven't used this
MW product but if it's half as good as NoteTab Pro (by the same
MW author) it's worth a try.

Like some others on this list, I use Mailbag Assistant regularly to
archive mail, to search through archived mail for specific messages or
information, and to retain attachments in the same series as they were
originally sent. It's a fantastic program. Mailbag Assistant can take
mail from several different formats, compresses (if desired) and store
it in a proprietary format, and then can export the messages as
necessary in any of several frequently utilized formats.

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