Hello,
The font in the little box for entering text is too small for my eyes,
especially on a mobile device. How do I change the entry box text fonts to
something larger?
Thank you!
Mark
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Apparently when you are editing in a TW5 text field some sort of processing
is going on with every keystroke.
Not a problem on my desktop nor with short tiddlers, or empty TW's, but
definitely a problem with longish tiddlers running on FireFox on Android.
Is there a way to turn off this
That's very useful. There isn't a way to do this using TW's built in bullet
function?
Thanks,
Mark
On Saturday, July 26, 2014 11:42:25 PM UTC-7, Xavier wrote:
Hi Daniel,
A common construct would be:
*ul$list filter=[tag[Axes]] *
*li$link to={{!!title}}$view field=title//$link/li*
Hi Jeremy,
The infinite delay option seems like a great idea!
It seems to me that the world is moving away from desktops except for
specific high-end applications.
Thanks!
Mark
On Saturday, July 26, 2014 1:18:59 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
There's no way to turn off the refresh
I've looked through the TW home page file and this forum (2 or 3 pages
spelunking on fields) but can't find this.
How do we create a custom field?
In my case, I want a sequence field that will allow me to sort chapter
portions.
Thanks,
Mark
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Thank you for that response, Alberto.
Mark
On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 2:11:09 PM UTC-7, Alberto Molina wrote:
Hi Mark,
Open a tiddler un edit mode. At the bottom, there is add a new field.
Put the name of the custom field you want, press the button, its done. You
can use that field in
Hello,
I've looked through the information at tiddlywiki.com and this forum, but
haven't seen this directly addressed.
Is there a standard method or known plugin for exporting and importing a
set (probably tagged) of tiddlers? In this case, I'm not concerned with the
output/input format --
Thank you for your response.
I'm surprised that a task so important is buried so deeply. When evaluating
information managers (and I've looked at dozens) one of the first things I
do is consider how I can get my data in/out in the event that the software
is no longer supported. I can't be the
If I use a filter and view code like this:
$list filter=[tag[The_Associaters]tag[Part]chapter[07]sort[segment]]
$link to={{!!title}}{{!!title}}/$link
$view field=text format=htmlencoded/
/$list
The text pulled in is jumbled together, losing the paragraph boundaries.
I've tried also $view/
}}{{!!title}}/$link
$transclude mode=block/
/$list
/Andreas
P.S.: Maybe someone can explain why that works and whether there is a
better way or not :D
Am 04.09.2014 00:49, schrieb 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki:
If I use a filter and view code like this:
$list filter=[tag[The_Associaters]tag
I have a template like:
$button message=tw-new-tiddler param=New Chapter Template New
chapter/$button
Is there a way that I can specify the starting title of the new tiddler
from the button? Actually, it would be great if I could also fill in any
fields from the button as well. That way I
Hi all,
Is there a way to highlight certain rows of a table in TW5?
Thanks,
Mark
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Hello Matabele,
Thanks for the links! That seems to work. I was hoping to avoid the
slippery slope of plugin addiction, but ... oh well.
Thanks!
Mark
On Monday, September 8, 2014 12:10:57 PM UTC-8, Matabele wrote:
Hi
I haven't yet updated my widget plugins for 5.0.16, but for versions
Now that I've had a chance to look at it, I find that there is no button
activation code that I can borrow. Trying to look at it in the javascript
debugger, I see a button that doesn't activate anything with some enclosed
SVG that draws the button. S what do I actually do to invoke the
Hello c pa,
I tried this, but nothing seemed to happen -- not even an empty TW. Perhaps
some other magic setting?
To me, an information manager without an export function is like a house
without a front door. Sure you can break the windows and grab whatever you
need, but somehow it doesn't
Hello BJ,
I couldn't get the add-on to dock to anything other than the site on
tiddlyspot. Is the version imiportant? Working with 5.0.15-beta and FF
27.0.1.
The add-on did work for clipping text to the tiddlyclip page, so the add-on
works partially.
Thanks,
Mark
On Monday, September 15,
Well darn. I updated to 17-beta and now your plugins don't seem to work. ;-(
Is there any hope you will be updating them soon?
Thanks!
Mark
On Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:32:09 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
Hello Matabele,
Thanks for the links! That seems to work. I was hoping to avoid the
Well, I guess that's a start. It would be nice if there was a way to tag
the entire row at once rather than every cell in a row, but something is
better than nothing.
Thanks!
Mark
On Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:31:30 PM UTC-8, Stephan Hradek wrote:
Does this help?
Ok. After upgrading and installing the plugin it works. Thanks!
Mark
On Monday, September 15, 2014 8:50:00 AM UTC-8, BJ wrote:
Hi Mark,
the plugin was build for 5.0.16 or greater.
you also need to copy (drag to your tw) the plugin from the demo -
$:/plugins/bj/tiddlyclip
Think the title asks it all:
Is there a plugin or tool to delete tiddlers matching tag (or filter) ?
I guess the follow-up question would be:
Is there a plugin or tool to change the tags of all tiddlers matching a
filter?
In general, I'm looking for ways of wrangling lots of tiddlers.
It looks very promising! Getting information into a TW is half the battle
sometimes.
When clipping web pages I notice that images are omitted. So if you want
the images you have to go back and do it pretty much by hand. Do you think
it might be possible to have a version that will be able to
At the moment, it doesn't appear to work for snipping or pinning in Firefox
30 for Linux Mint on Linux Mint 16. It docks, and Tid works, but snip and
pin don't.
This is using FF plugin 0.0.4alpha and 0.0.6-alpha TW plugin.
Mark
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Ok, it's working, but differently than before (or maybe my memory failed).
Yesterday when I used the clipping, the target (docked) TW gave me an
import tiddler where I could verify that what I wanted to import. Or did I
just imagine that? Maybe the tiddler only appears for tids? Today it's not
Looking through the TiddlyClip reference, but can't seem to find this.
Is there a way to either
(1) Use an existing tiddler as a template for a web clipping
or
(2) Specify user fields to be filled when web clippping
Thanks!
Mark
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When I put a line like this in the in the bottom of the configuration table
in the TiddlySnip config tiddler:
|Science|copy|Science|[[defaultSnip]]||
and then try to snip using the Science entry, the resulting tiddler is
not tagged as Science.
FF 0.0.4alpha, TW plugin 0.0.6-alpha, FF 27
If you drag and drop an image, TW 5 tries to encode the entirety as a
tiddler. This would quickly make the TW way too big.
Is there a setting that will allow images that are drag/dropped to just
form a local link?
Thanks!
Mark
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Thanks!
The problem is, having to respond to a dialog each and every time slows
things down. Imagine trying to clear out a year's worth of journal entries
that you have archived. At 3 to four seconds a piece it gets pretty boring.
Thanks again,
Mark
On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:34:00
Hello!
Is there a technique, macro, widget, or plugin that will allow one to sum
up a numerical field? This would be useful in for tracking expenses,
estimating the cost of a project with multiple components, etc.
Thanks!
Mark
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Hello!
Is there a technique, macro, widget, or plugin in TW5 that will allow one
to sum up a numerical field? This would be useful in for tracking
expenses, estimating the cost of a project with multiple components, etc.
Thanks!
Mark
(Sorry if this comes out as a double post - I forgot to
Hello!
I'm wondering if the little X that closes out the search field in TW5
couldn't be made into a full size icon (like the Add icon). It's already
small on the desktop, but minuscule and hard to click on a tablet.
Tablets seem to be the future of personal computing (or at least for the
I tried wrapping text using the @@ notation. Instead of actually wrapping
everything inside the tiddler with the CSS, it applied the style to each
paragraph inside the tiddler. This left a blank (white - the default
background color) band between each paragraph. Trying to wrap everything in
Hello,
I don't understand the first approach you suggest. If there is a way to
specify a class by tag I couldn't find it at tiddlywiki.com.
The second method, surrounding the content with DIV tags doesn't work
because all the paragraph information is lost and everything is run
together. You
Hi Ton,
Each technique I try fixes something and breaks something else.
Using the tagged option, I get the colors I want, but then TW ignores the
font size I specify. (it insists on using tc-tiddler-body). It applies the
font size attribute to the icons and the title but NOT the content of the
Thanks Ton!
That seems to pretty much nail it. I couldn't find the tc-tagged thing on
tiddlywiki.com. I suppose I could learn to use git-hub ;-)
Thanks again!
Mark
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:07:30 PM UTC-8, Ton Gerner wrote:
Hi Mark,
For the first option try the following to set the
Just thinking that you could have a master index TW with short versions of
all your tiddlers. A link or a field would contain the reference to the
full tiddler. This way you could reference a much larger body of data
without the associated performance loss.
On Friday, October 24, 2014 7:26:23
Hello,
Is there a way to set things up so that you can put two editable tiddlers
side by side (rather than the default horizontal display) ?
I know I can display two transcluded tiddlers in a table side by side, but
I would like to see and edit the tiddlers as well. This is useful for
It would be good to switch certain filters on or off with checkbox or
button. I couldn't find any way to change a variable via a checkbox or
button.
So, Is there a button or checkbox that can set a filter?
Thanks!
Mark
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Excellent! So field here can actually be a variable? Seems like that
would be worth adding to the documentation.
Thanks!
Mark
On Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:31:56 PM UTC-7, Stephan Hradek wrote:
A checkbox can set a field.
Try this on tiddlywiki.com:
$checkbox
field=filter_string
I asked the same thing back in September:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/ShwJuDPhSTQ
According to Jeremy, the problem is that the browser API doesn't expose the
file paths during a drag/drop. So it would take some additional Firefox
plugin or other tool to allow this.
Hi Jeremy,
I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that when you drag/drop a link from a FF
link (not from Windows explorer) that FF exposes more information. Here's
what shows up after a drag/drop/import sequence from a Firefox tab being
used as a local file browser:
Untitled 1
Ok!
If you open an image in firefox, you can the use TiddlyClip (Image snip) to
create a new tiddler with the linked image and the image title as name. It
uses absolute paths, but it works. Maybe there's something in TiddlyClip
that could clean up the image path. But you're still dragging and
That really sounds like you're describing tiddlyclip:
http://tiddlyclip.tiddlyspot.com/
It does all that, though you have to hover over the page and and right
click and select the type of clip. But it captures the URI and page text.
On Thursday, November 6, 2014 5:43:37 PM UTC-8, infernoape
I think what he means is that when you import files into TW as embedded
images or text that the TW rapidly becomes too big to run on a mobile
device. The single-file approach is technically more mobile, but the
limitations of computing power and browser capability mean that it is
functionally
Sorry, forgot to add that I was talking about dragging the links from a FF
tab being used as a local file browser. I believe (but could be mistaken)
that this circumnavigates the missing path information problem.
If the browser, under those situations, passes the link, doesn't it also
pass
It occurs to me that this might be possible with CSS already.
The single-column format of TW is somewhat limiting. You really can't view
more than 2 tiddlers at a time.
Is it possible to have tiddlers float free so that TW could form type of
bulletin board, with messages side-by-side as well
My quick test on a Chrome browser suggests that links dragged from a Chrome
tab used as a file browser also may contain the full file path name. To me,
dragging from a browser tab would be the most universal way of doing
things, since a plugin would have to be specific not only to the browser
You could roll your own macro that would do some of that:
\define imageit(image:image.jpg)
a href=$image$ target=newimg src=$image$ width=25% height=25%
//a
\end
e.g.
imageit TW-Images\chimps_77646868_3patrol.jpg
This produces a 1/4 size clickable thumb (no actual thumb is generated).
To
On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 7:12:53 AM UTC-8, steve wrote:
An Update:
I tried a number of ways (see below) to display the images
screenshot.jpg and screenshot.tiff in a tiddler. The files
screenshot.jpg and screenshot.tiff are in the same directory as the html
file. I'm using
This is a more elaborate version of the macro. It assumes you have a
directory with your images (you can change the default) and a subdirectory
below that with the the thumbs called thumbs. You click a button to show
either the large or full version. This may be littering your tiddler space
The TW at tiddlywiki.com has a nice table of contents available in the
right hand panel. I would like to add one to my own TW for fast navigation
to key tiddlers. Is there an easy way to do this?
Thanks!
Mark
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Thanks Ton Tobias!
That's really cool!
I had certainly looked at the TOC macro, but that last little important bit
about how you make it show up in the sidebar isn't in the docs -- as far as
I can tell. Maybe I should dig out my GitHub account and add that bit?
Thanks!
Mark
On Monday,
That's very useful!
Does anyone else find the whole topic of variables and references confusing
in TW5?
*Item *may be reference as ...
item
variable=item
$item$
$(item)$
item
and probably others. *currentTiddler *is referenced in the documentation,
but then there are no follow-up
Whenever you have an open web page, you end up with spammers trying to
create link drops.
Probably a real wiki (with authentication) or even just a special thread on
this forum would be better. I believe the better wiki systems track
history, so changes can be rolled back when something useful
Whenever you have an open web page, you end up with spammers trying to
create link drops.
Probably a real wiki (with authentication) or even just a special thread on
this forum would be better. I believe the better wiki systems track
history, so changes can be rolled back when something useful
This widget allows you to sum values within a list.Well, at least it did
for me. From time to time.
*DISCLAIMER*: It is experimental so be sure to back up your Tiddlywiki. Use
at your own risk!
It requires a little bit more of the user. The user needs to provide three
instances of the
Oh! So that's how you do it.
Is there a developers tw that would have this? Or would it go somewhere on
TIddlywiki.com?
Thanks!
Mark
On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 12:53:04 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
Hi Danielo
If your plugin needs to create global variables you should do so in the
On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 6:15:07 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Ruston wrote
I'm afraid that the approach that it is using isn't really viable. The main
reason is that widgets should not modify the tiddler store as part of their
rendering or refresh processing. (I see people trying to do this a lot,
If a tiddler is deleted and one of the grand totals is in error, the user
just runs the process again -- just like you need to refresh in Excel when
a key cell updates.
If you don't care about the saved total result, then the displayed total
will update the moment you delete a tiddler that is
My post at the top of the thread has instructions and examples for usage. I
see that the Google editor has sliced off a / at the end of one of the
example lines, but I'm sure you can spot fix that.
The test data for the example I provided was 3 tiddlers, each with a
payment field and a value
You could store the result in a tiddler or tiddler field.
It looks to me like the action-set widget could be readily modified to
have some additional syntax:
+field=value
so that the field of the tiddler where the value is to be stored would be
incremented by the amount of the value
I think it may not be possible to transclude inside of a macro definition.
But you can flip it around and define the macro like:
\define edition(src:stuff)
---
^^Version ([[eng|$src$]])
\end
and call the macro like this:
$macrocall $name=edition src={{!!source}} /
Mark
On Friday, November
I think anything evaluated within List needs to be real That is, the
emptyMessage doesn't work the same as if you got real results. I'm sure
someone will correct me on this if I'm wrong.
What I did was to
*(1) Change the filter so that something always gets iterated, *
*(2) enclose the button
PS: This code will probably break if you happen to be editing a tiddler
that actually starts with Draft. Avoid that ;-)
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Tabs? Like in tabbing -- a way of displaying tiddlers inside of tabs
similar to your browser. See TabsMacro at tiddlywiki.com.
I'm guessing he has a neat way of turning your current story into tabs.
But I have a problem with Will's site -- no matter how small I shrink the
screen, I can't get
Great Job! Everybody loves Philemon. Now explain Jude* ;-)
Have you considered making the tiddlers modal? To me it's somewhat
unintuitive to have to close a tiddler to go back to the list of tiddlers.
Having the tiddler take over the middle would be more natural these days.
Make it into a
That does look neat. The 3rd part (with tags) wants the makelist widget.
When I try to drag/drop the plugin, I get one of those This is
embarrassing messages with error el.className is undefined.
If I try to define my own plugin, when I select application/json I get a
tiddler with the message
When I go to the site and reload the page, it says its getting tiddlers
from the server.
But I'm not seeing anything there since the 30th of November. And only one
that looks like documentation. Should I be seeing lots of tiddlers at this
point, or has everyone been too shy to post?
The
Here's a variation on action-setfield. You call it almost the same:
action-setfield-inc. The difference is that if there is a +value field, it
will use that instead of $value and will ADD it to the existing specified
field of the specified tiddler. I've only briefly tested it. Consider it
Here's a variation on action-setfield. You call it almost the same:
action-setfield-inc. The difference is that if there is a +value field, it
will use that instead of $value and will ADD it to the existing specified
field of the specified tiddler. I've only briefly tested it. Consider it
This feature would be also be useful on tablets and mobile devices. As the
TW becomes larger, you frequently can't tell if the click to save has
taken effect.
Mark
On Sunday, December 21, 2014 11:35:54 PM UTC-8, Stephan Hradek wrote:
Hi Jeremy!
Do you think it's possible to make the
This is a really exciting development. Unfortunately, it's not working on
my system. When I try to right-click and snip an image with the new rules,
I get an error:
[[TITLETID]] is not a JSON.
Thanks!
Mark
TW 5.1.2
FF 33.0
Win 7
On Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:25:20 AM UTC-8, BJ wrote:
Just curious -- how are you using sticky notes in a GTD system? The problem
with stickies is that they don't stack very well, making them inconvenient
to sort and view. They also like to unstick from the edges of monitors
which typically have less than an inch margin nowadays. I suppose you
Thanks! Seems to be another situation where the code is case sensitive.
Mark
On Monday, January 19, 2015 at 1:46:50 PM UTC-8, Mat wrote:
@Mark S
I got it to work by copying Tobias code and put in a local file like this:
object data=file:///C:/Users/ type=text/plain
management is the mobile aspect and
the flexibility. I have a windows client at work, a linux client at home,
an Android app, and if necessary I can edit the todo.txt directly.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:26 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
tiddl...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote:
Thanks! Seems
I couldn't get this code to work with a local file. Does it only work with
http ?
For organizing daily tasks stored in plain text, emacs org-mode has loads
of functionality and a wide user base.
Is there a good meta-app for task management in TW5? OM will let you
quickly see a calendar for
You guys must have some industrial strength stickies if they're able to
stick to attic rafters. My experience with stickies is that they always end
up on the ground somewhere, especially if the sticking surface isn't
perfectly smooth.
If you bound several pages of cardboard stock together,
Thanks BJ. That works better. But it does want me to import them first,
rather than immediately creating the tiddlers as it does with the other
types of clips. Is this normal?
Do you think that in a future version it might be possible to create clips
with relative addresses? With relative
Just upgraded TW in case that was the problem.
I also tried setting it up to work from the C: drive, but still got
absolutes.
TW 5.1.7,Plugin 0.0.7-alpha, tiddlyclip 0.0.5
Thanks!
Mark
On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 at 7:01:47 PM UTC-8, BJ wrote:
HI Mark,
I have tried to reproduce the
Great! That was the ticket!
Thanks!
Mark
On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 5:00:34 AM UTC-8, BJ wrote:
I think this maybe due to ff treating the file url as case insensitive on
a window system (window file paths are case insensitive).
This means that file:///c/ and file:///C/ will both work on
On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 5:30:43 AM UTC-8, BJ wrote:
Hi Mark,
As Birthe was pointing out, if you have your media files in the same dir
or a sub-dir relative to your tiddlywiki, then tiddlyclip will
automatically use local paths.
It's using absolute paths on mine. For instance, it I
Took awhile to figure out which plugin was doing this.
With tiddlyclip 0.0.8 and TW5 5.1.7 an error (undefined widget edit-json)
appears whenever you try to edit an application/json tiddler (like a theme).
It's possible that everything else still works, and this just poses an
inconvenience if
I second this! What CSS will achieve this? If you are constantly switching
platforms, it's the tiddler that you want to stretch/shrink -- not the
sidebar.
Thanks!
Mark
On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 10:12:29 AM UTC-7, Rustem wrote:
Did anybody manage to achieve this layout? Not necessarily as a
Hi David,
Yes, a weakness of TW is that it doesn't scale well.
What is the advantage of linking to static files? I guess there's a little
less overhead in terms of javascript, but now you have to use the search
function to wade through the text. And you have to figure out a way to get
new
It sounds like a job for Simplenote, or something similar. With a click,
you can share a markdown formatted note as an HTML formatted static page.
How are you sharing these small sub-pages now? Paste into Email? Separate
server?
Mark
On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 3:33:23 PM UTC-7, David Gifford
There's another new project out there called laverna (https://laverna.cc/).
It's open source, written in javascript, and stores it's data on your local
machine in a real database (sqlite, I think). It looks a lot like
Simplenote, but can store images. It's got a really nifty editor for
A single picture might be many megabytes in size -- you can really bloat
the TW fast if you actually import them. The bigger your TW file, the
slower it will work.
A work-around is to put your pictures in the same directory or a
sub-directory of your TW and then form an image link to it. Like
Hi Dave,
It sounds like what you want is Webdav.
Since you have your server, you might be able to set up Webdav. Webdav is
supposed to let you edit a web-page in place. It needs special settings on
the server to make it happen (usually you specify certain directories for
it). You may have to
Ok, using Michele's idea for http-server running on port 8084, I can define
a macro like this:
*\define images(image:Bugs Bunny)*
*$macrocall $name=imagepath image=$image$ path={{imagePath1}} /*
*\end*
*\define imagepath(image:a,path:b)*
*[img[$path$$image$]]*
*\end*
Then with tiddler
Hi BJ,
If you want to outline the steps that would be great. I'm sure others will
be interested too!
Mark
On Sunday, May 10, 2015 at 12:53:26 PM UTC-7, BJ wrote:
It is possible to change this value by hacking the core plugin, if you
feel adventurous I can walk you through the procedure.
For personal use, there's nothing quite as flexible as TW. But it doesn't
scale up without problems.
Something like Simiplenote makes it easy to quickly publish and update
information meant for consumption by others. A published (static) page
updates whenever the corresponding note in
It's a very attractive layout, and I'll probably use it for my default on
my tablet. It does seem to help with speed at the start of a new tiddler.
But then it slows down again as the working tiddler fills up. It might be
that people who are not touch typists would not notice.
Not
Maybe I'm just catching it on a bad day, but when I type a title into the
title box and fill in the other fields, nothing appears over in the
recent tab.Also, there is no little hand icon for changing the title.
If it it did work, I would wonder how it knows when you're finished
writing a
Rules are always changing.
TW itself violated the first rules of javascript. Remember javascript
wasn't ever supposed to be able to write to the file system.
For TW on nodejs to be of practical use (at least to me), it needs to serve
up images. This doesn't seem like an unreasonable
If I want to serve up images under node.js, but not import them into the TW
(because that bloats the TW), what syntax do I use, and where do I put the
images?
For instance, neither of these worked when I put the TW-images directory at
the same level as tiddlers nor as a sub-directory of
It's effectively a text-only or mostly-text system if you plan to create a
stand-alone TW (which is the only way I can see using it as a mobile
reference). Images are large, so just a handful will bring your TW to a
crawl -- especially on a mobile device. I'm guessing that the upper limits
for
Hi BJ,
Your instructions were easy to follow -- thanks!
Unfortunately, I'm not sure that it improved things. Actually, it may have
been a little better turning the suggested number down (like to 4). But
either way there was still noticeable delay when inputting information, as
compared to
Was this option ever implemented, or is there some way I can change the
delay by hand?
Thanks!
Mark
On Saturday, July 26, 2014 at 1:18:59 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
There's no way to turn off the refresh cycle; it is intrinsic to
TiddlyWiki's operation.
But we could make the 400ms
Hi Michele Mario,
It's a little hard to understand the excitement about node.js.
Apparently, in order to get images, I would have to install 2 servers
(node something else) and change all my image links OR I would have to
convert all my images into tid files (which would laden the
Cosmetic tweaks are nice and certainly appreciated, but when you're trying
to type on a small screen (which can already be challenging) what you
really care about is performance.
I rarely care what is going on in the rest of the TW when I'm busy typing
in input. I don't need things updating
Hi Jeremy,
My understanding -- correct me if I'm wrong -- is that even if you use
node.js it's going to serve up all the tiddlers on the client side. So it
doesn't scale up any better than just a TW file by itself. The performance
may not be bad on a desktop machine, but over a phone
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