@jxself I do not agree with you and don' t think your solution is a solution
that is practical.
The first thing is, that it is in my opinion a mistake to assume that only
proprietary software can contain malicious code. You can also say disconnect
your machine from the internet and you are
to mason ;;; i did what you're sayin'. -- cms
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/discuss-gnustep/2015-12/msg00168.html
"GitHub does things that are quite bad for free software and is
not interested in changing them. If you want to move off Savannah,
please pick some other place.
The reason that attending to user requests for Savannah is
Oh come on, this thread wasn't that old was it?
besides, notabug is a good git to use. Again, it is used by libreboot.
God, ADFENO, you really have a knack for resurrecting month-old threads.
I disagree with the FSF on this. I never enable JavaScript when accessing
GitHub, and I get zero problems. In fact, it's one of the best no-JavaScript
designs I've ever seen. And the whole C2 thing... that page they
If there is a libre program on github and you want to contribute and it will
help the freedom of more users I would recommend you to use it.
You can always ask, in a kind and polite way, to the maintainers to change to
gitlab or something else. Many projects are migrating from github to
It's only going to be second hand. The machine was discontinued some years
ago and is becoming very hard to find. I have not seen one in a long time.
The last time was at the FSF office. They had a bin of some of them that were
in pieces because they had problems (defective screen, etc.) It
> On the other hand, there are a lot of projects that I want to
> contribute to that are hosted in github...
> Damned network effect...
Sometimes you can send patches to the email of the authors, and insert
in the same message an explanation as to why you don't use GitHub (with
references,
Hello Trisquel users,
A bit of an off topic question, but with many free software enthusiasts
reading this forum, you might be willing to provide an answer for me. I am
searching for a new or second hand Lemote Yeeloong laptop, mostly for
historical reasons as a collectable item as I
> Be good to each other (and send me bitcoins) \o/
:)
Learning to speak your language, so hopefully you understand better.
You can download anti virus software for linux called clamav and you can also
download calmtk which is the graphical interface for clamav and just scan any
thing you download from the internet with that. There are also paid anti
virus products for linux but clamav is free.
> Firefox is free software. If it had not been for Firefox we would probably
all be using Microsoft's browser by now.
I would not. I would probably use some 'degoogled' (if that's even possible)
chromium.
>Firefox is far from perfect, but you seem to have a dogmatic and visceral
hate for
Alright, I didn't know that was for selling hardware too. I will try that,
thanks.
Neat but they need freedom: http://freedomdefined.org/Definition
Or at least as much as can be, considering the license of the logo:
https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/logo
> Don't advise about things which you have not tried.
I did sed replace with a lot of source code a lot of times. There was never
any problem whatsoever, and you obviously cannot provide any reason why it
should not be feasable.
> 1) Learn practically
One reply earlier you told me not to
On 08/02/18 09:08, wrote:
> So from my point of view there is now way to create a free and secure
> system
You got it wrong. It is "there is no way to create a free and
secure system", for Libreboot blocks all microcode updates. Librebooted
computers will be affected by Meltdown and
I agree with this 100%. There are so so so many bad things that are stopped
by just not running code you can't trust on your computer.
What's the point of discussing the *belief* of someone, especially
considering that it obviously is dated and does not reflect the current state
of things? If I tell you "yes, it is plausible" or "no, it is not plausible"
- what value has that?
Libreboot does not remove replace proprietary firmware all chips. You still
have proprietary microcode for the CPU for example. So using a libreboot
machine doesn't change things much. Also a libreboot machine suggest that you
use a fairly old hardware. Oh... and libreboot does not fix the
My question, which was directed to mason (but, of course, I encourage anyone
to respond to it), seems to have been ignored. Eben Moglen, a prominent
figure of the free software movement, believes that by 2022 Facebook will
have reached its peak and would henceforth start to decline. Given
Thanks Adfeno.
Then I would suggest to Joe to use a librebooted computer. I am sure then he
will find some other reason why free software is irrelevant as it seems his
strategy is to argue by demanding impossible perfection.
> You literally wrote:
Ok. Maybe I should have been more explicit by saying "He seems to assume that
free software PER SE gives him privacy..."
Is that clear now?
> Why not?
Try it and you will see. Don't advise about things which you have not tried.
1) Learn practically 2) Share, not 1)
> Not sure what you mean by ring 3. First time I hear that term. If you
He refers to the issue of MINIX's existance in ring -3 sector of all
computers with Intel Management Engine ([1]).
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MINIX#MINIX_3 . See the last paragraph
of that section and the references
> I have never said that.
You literally wrote:
"He seems to assume that free software gives him privacy which is rather
superficial considering the issues mentioned in this thread"
> FWIW I have already looked at that option but it is not that simple (sed
replacement).
Why not?
The data
> saw that the file it downloaded is with date from 2016, so I guess it
> takes care of that.
See the "description" field in the .info.json file, it's the field that
mostly appears in every attempt to download videos using avideo or
youtube-dl. There is a field which also tells the upload date,
> There again you come with this "free software can't give you privacy" bs...
I have never said that. Before telling another he talks "bs" you should
understand what he says. What I have explained previously is that just
because a program is released as free software is not a guarantee that
There again you come with this "free software can't give you privacy" bs...
yeah you did a tcpdump and found some background chatting, which is not nice,
that's true.
Do the following:
1. download the source code of firefox
2. do a sed replace for every unwanted URL firefox is communicating
Thanks Adfeno. From reference [1] I conclude the problem is Debian is not on
the list of FSF endorsed distributions. Freedombox is composed of free
software as far as I can see. Debian without non-free repositories is free
software too. Given there is no alternative that is more freedom
You conflate free software, privacy and security. You also do not (or refuse
to) understand that one program can be free even if others are not and we can
still speak about the software freedom of that program.
I do not need to look at any other context to say that a program is free
Thanks for sharing the links. I will look at those materials when I have more
time.
As for avideo: the man page says it does have such option. FWIW I just saw
that the file it downloaded is with date from 2016, so I guess it takes care
of that.
> I didn't look at YouTube. I downloaded with avideo locally.
> So blame the one who shares dated info and asks for feedback based on
> current issues :)
Don't worry, this happens with everyone. ;)
I didn't have time to test this yet because I rarely use YouTube ---
except for getting stuff out
All forms of proprietary firmware are not a free software either. So talking
about software freedom at ring 3 when the system is compromised at ring -3 is
nonsense. And defending such talking shows lack of understanding, ironically
by a person who blames others for not understanding well
For those which reported missing references for the message I'm replying
to (my own one), here is the references. Now they should appear normally
for those reading using the forums.
[1] https://downloads.softwarefreedom.org/2017/conference/0-keynote.webm
. According to
For those which reported missing references for the message I'm replying
to (my own one), here is the references. Now they should appear normally
for those reading using the forums.
[1]
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/freedombox-discuss/2017-April/007982.html
.
[2]
The solution that the Linux kernel developers went with is also dependent on
proprietary microcode updates. Without this, the changes to the kernel alone
do not completely mitigate.
The solution chosen by the Linux kernel developers isn't necessarily the only
possible one, though, so it
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that both Meldown and Spectre had no
other solution on existing hardware that implementing a patch on the linux
kernel, which does have some overhead. So I don't really see where is the
problem.
"Are there any ideas or solutions to deal with this problems?"
Yes: Don't worry about it. If you think on it you will see this is a problem
specific to people that use proprietary software, that do their computing on
other people's computers (what some like the call "the cloud"), or that
Well, I cannot really answer to this. This would be a good question to
Stallman in one of his talk.
Magic Banana, i have no System Settings. Only desktop session settings and
the dconf-stuff (where i can set something for media players).
But what mason says, works with me, too. Have played a file in VLC, then
opened Abrowser again and sound is played there.
So always start your day with
* Opera is not free software.
* Firefox is not perfect. You seem to live in a completely binary world. What
satisfies your standards? If nothing, what are you creating that satisfies
your standards.
* I can see you don't care who Moglen is. I do and I have a problem with you
calling him
> the upload date was 2012-06-01
I didn't look at YouTube. I downloaded with avideo locally.
So blame the one who shares dated info and asks for feedback based on current
issues :)
BTW I see no links in your current and previous posts. I think it should be
better if you put them in the
> however I must note thatit's not a free/libre system distribution,
Wow, I didn't know that. It's a project started and led by Moglen AFAIK. I am
surprised it is not free software. Your footnotes are missing, do you have a
link to this information?
> It unfortunately isn't free/libre, due
> "Firefox frees people from a net created by Microsoft"
>
> Yeah, like
I do agree with you, although it must be noted that the upload date was
2012-06-01, and unless I'm mistaken (please investigate this or correct
me if I'm wrong), back then we were unaware of the freedom issues of
> * Freedombox, the "plug server" you make reference to, is a real
> project, it works and is being developed.
Yes, Freedombox really exists and has releases, however I must note that
it's not a free/libre system distribution, so we mustn't recommend it
here, and so far I have received no
I was answering Aristophanes. Did you read anywhere a question "How should I
spend my time" or "What do I need"?
> If it had not been for Firefox we would probably all be using Microsoft's
browser by now.
Opera was there before Firefox. (fwiw)
> Firefox is far from perfect, but you seem
I just noticed from the "Switched to Linux" Youtube channel, that the new
LibreOffice 6 update is available.
When a libre software like LibreOffice available in the Trisquel Add/Remove
Applications folder is updated, does the updated software automatically
appear on the Trisquel Add/Remove
> with a proprietary µcode and architecture, all those CPU's were already
compromised
That is, with or without ME.
Then, by "freedom and security" you mean immunity to hackerdom, and not to
instutional intelligence (Intel and various intelligence services they
possibly cooperate with).
Because, with a proprietary µcode and architecture, all those CPU's were
already compromised when they are first sold.
Too many talkers, too few of them touch the actual essence of the problem.
* Eben Moglen has spent his professional life struggling for privacy and free
software. Since you seem to dismiss free software at ever turn, you may be
interested to know that among many many other things, he was
In a certain way it was possible, as the older CPUs have no ME, but now the
situation is even worse. These security issues make the core2 CPUs completely
unusable.
Don't get me wrong. I know that this was not the perfect solution in terms of
the dream of totally free hardware, but it was a
He seems to assume that free software gives him privacy which is rather
superficial considering the issues mentioned in this thread:
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/freedom-security-technology-what-can-we-do
I also see that his optimism about what he wants makes him oversimplify
fairly
> So from my point of view there is now way to create a free and secure
system anymore
Given the closed architecture and microcode Intel/AMD/ARM CPU's have, was it
possible to do that in the first place, i.e. before meltdown and spectre?
The question I asked myself is how will libreboot project deal with Meltdown
and Spectre security issues.
Mostly all libreboot users are using affected old core2 CPUs and regardless
of whether libreboot is willing to implement microcode it is unlikely that
Intel will ever release firmware
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