Re: [TruthTalk] Back to the fall of man

n was afraid that he would be killed by others. What others? There were whole cities in the days of Adam, Cain and Seth. So we not only have the first of God's creation, we have the first of the Chosen People of God. JD -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [E

Re: [TruthTalk] The Fall

2 and 3) in dealing with that which is clearly systemic (or "organic" as described by some on this forum). JD -----Original Message- From: Dave Hansen dave@langlitz.com To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:17:06 -0700 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The F

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

the arguments of anyone on TT. And even that would require some openness on your part, which I have never perceived. But only God knows for certain, and one must leave room for the unexpected. I am quite frank here, knowing that you can deal with it. izzy -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] The Fall

ot; How so. Poisoning? Some think they are the protectors of the truth. Most of us know that such effort is fully unnecessary. We are all big boys and girls, in spite of our we often act. You and Blaine included.sorry.:-) Anyway, give it a try. "How so?" JD -Original Mes

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

posts excerpts from your own ppl; different Mormon writers - so if what Kevin posts is untrue IYO are you saying that these ppl are all contradicting one another and that there are all these different beliefs under the umbrella of Mormonism? On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:34:55 -0700 Dave Hansen

[TruthTalk] Courtesy of Dee of Utah

Last Saturday, in performance at the Kansas State Fair, Garrison Keillor said, The hurricane makes me doubt Intelligent Design; the response makes me doubt evolution. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find

[TruthTalk] AE---The Fall

ks believe God tempted man. If LDS folks believe the Snake represents Satan, then the logic of Kevin's argument falls apart. ShieldsFamily wrote: (Ever hear of the Snake, Dave?) iz DAVEH: Normally I do not

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

DAVEH: For those of you who do not believe I am evil or stupidthank you. Judy Taylor wrote: Neither do I or have I ever called DaveH stupid and evil - -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive

Re: [TruthTalk] The Fall

used the past tense instead of the present tense, as it seems to have made you think I was trying to twist your perspective. Again...that was not my intention, and I apologize for causing you any angst over it. Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, are you intentionally distorting my words

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

Angel of light" that tempts men to sin. Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: I find that an interesting response, Perry. Why do you think it is a pure waste of time to consider what God wanted, and Lucifer frustrated? Extrapolating that logic, it would be a waste of time for folks to

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

that you can deal with it. izzy -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

of Kevin's argument falls apart. ShieldsFamily wrote: (Ever hear of the Snake, Dave?) iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:05 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] The Fall

ly one who thinks a particular thing. Help. JD -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, it was, in my opinion, mean to cast Dave as a dispenser of spiritual poison and it was mean to suggest that I would approve of it if he did. Dave is usually on the learning end of these discussions. He seldom tries to teach, and when he does, he is teaching

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

for Dave unless you mean that I am sorry that he cannot see the truth. The only reason his name came up was as an example of someone who knew how to communicate in a courteous adult manner. The content of his responses was not the issue. Terry ShieldsFamily wrote

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

people who had sinned as well as those who had not sinned. My curiosity is about what you folks think would have been the pertinence of Jesus coming to the earth to those who had not sinned. Judy Taylor wrote: *jt: Dave do you know of anyone other than the Lord

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

offend anyone? This is how all cults begin On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:07:52 -0500 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stay tuned. Maybe you can learn from observing others, possibly Dave Hansen

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

vid Miller. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.

[TruthTalk] Courtesy of A.Word.A.Day

People who want to share their religious views with you almost never want you to share yours with them. -Dave Barry, author and columnist (1947- ) -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

DAVEH: Is that a typo, Izzy? Did you instead mean to say. Why are people like me YO-YOs? :-D ShieldsFamily wrote: LOL! Another news flash. What are people like me IYO? iz -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

ShieldsFamily wrote: LOL! Another news flash. What are people like me IYO? iz -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER

[TruthTalk] Courtesy of A.Word.A.Day

The high minded man must care more for the truth than for what people think. -Aristotle, philosopher (384-322 BCE) -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER

[TruthTalk] Courtesy of A.Word.A.Day

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view. -Harper Lee, writer (1926- ) -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER

[TruthTalk] Is TT Working Again?

DAVEH: Wow.could we be up and running again? I do hope so! I kind of missed TT chatter for the past couple weeks. Hope everybody is well, and few TTers were affected by Katrina other than the server being down. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

DAVEH: Sumtimes u'r herd to foolow, John! :-D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Theory. But it is loo king good to me. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

of "weird." Sorry I cannot be more informative. Jd -Original Message- From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:34:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus DAVEH: I somewhat agree, John. The difference

Re: [TruthTalk] Torrance and the Message

to demand or expect anything. The best that the preacher can do is proclaim the love, and the demands, of a Holy God. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to re

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

they believe? I think it is a waste of time. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

, Perry? Isn't that the nature of theologyto learn what God wants to have happen? Charles Perry Locke wrote: Adam and Eve sinned. That is what Christians believe. Why conjecture about things they don't believe to find out what they believe? I think it is a waste of time. From: Dave

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

this, don't feel compelled to respond. Charles Perry Locke wrote: What is the purpose of this conjecture? Adam and Eve fell, so it is a pure waste of time to conjecture otherwise. From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

DAVEH: Whew..!:-[ Terry Clifton wrote: It may surprise you to hear this, but they were not! Dave Hansen wrote: DAVEH: And.would they happen to be TTers? Terry Clifton wrote: I have known an awful lot of people who were sick in one way

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

zy, DavidM, and Kevin for a start - all of whom I would consider intelligent and very willing to engate in intelligent conversation. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six e

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

DAVEH: And.would they happen to be TTers? Terry Clifton wrote: I have known an awful lot of people who were sick in one way or another, but only two that I am certain were demon possessed. Terry -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com

Re: [TruthTalk] Thou Shalt Not Make a Nuisance of Thyself

DAVEH: Welcome back, Kevin. Please memorize your below comment and ponder it every time you think about posting in the future. :-D Kevin Deegan wrote: Thou Shalt Not Make a Nuisance of Thyself -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com

Re: [TruthTalk] Leagalistic Grace

. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.

[TruthTalk] Courtesy of A.Word.A.Day

To love truth for truth's sake is the principal part of human perfection in this world, and the seed-plot of all other virtues. -John Locke, philosopher (1632-1704) -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find

[TruthTalk] Leagalistic Grace

DAVEH: Do you have a short explanation you can share, DavidM? Do you now understand what legalistic grace is? Peace be with you. David Miller. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I

Re: [TruthTalk] The last time!

until I pushed send! But I was wonderinghave any of our mormons encountered this deterrent? izzy -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

curiosity is about what you folks think would have been the pertinence of Jesus coming to the earth to those who had not sinned. Judy Taylor wrote: jt: Dave do you know of anyone other than the Lord Jesus Christ Himself - who never sinned? judyt On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:28:07 -0700 Dave

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

? -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

of anything from Jesus? Terry Clifton wrote: Dave wrote: DAVEH: I'm curious. What do you folks believe would have happened if AE had not fallen? Would their children have been perfect, or could some have sinned while others remained without sin? And what effect would that have had

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

, so sin brought death to all. I believe that had I been the only sinner on earth, Jesus loved me enough to die for me. God's love does not appear to be based on numbers. One fact, one opinion. You would have very little trouble arguing against the opinion. The fact is self evident. Dave

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

? judyt -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.

Re: [TruthTalk] Fox news story

/playvideos.asp?crypt=CF15488E9E6A0F8E -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

m the Lord. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

presented that indicates that the conversion rate may be offset by a low retention rate. Kevin did not make it up and is not lying, as you have accused. Perry From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

orrect about the 100,000 conversions via missionary endeavor? Jd -Original Message- From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 22:23:31 -0700 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth! DAVEH: I did not find that one (post the link

Re: [TruthTalk] The War and other Issues

scoring points, big time for the Lord. Why, Blaine and DH just might come across anytime now. Do ya think? Jd -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

DAVEH: FWIW.I've been copying my recent posts to Blaine to make sure he was getting them, since he has not posted anything lately. This is his reply Blaine wrote: Hi Dave, I un-subscribed from TT, mainly to see if I could do so without a hassle. But since

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

onal purity is identical -- x those who disagree -- damn such passages as Romans 14. JD -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I ma

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

certain information secret. Why do you think some LDS got so upset about the news articles? Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Do you truly believe the LDS Church is not growing, Kevin? Kevin Deegan wrote: Looks like the official LDS site might have gotten it wrong

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

e can even quantify such data. Kevin Deegan wrote: The links stated something to the effect that the LDS Church was the only one that withheld retention numbers. Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: I find your perspective on this to be rather interesting, Kevin. I think you seriously und

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

is but a speck of dust in our universewhy would He make that particular relatively tiny spot His dwelling place IYHO? iz -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

t churchwide, temples are operating at 11% of capacity! I was staggered. I would have guessed maybe 30% at the least. Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Why would you think that is LDS logic to assume such, Kevin? Read through the posts regarding this thread. You will see my (and Blaine's)

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

tually stated that these numbers indicate that the church is in a state of apostasy. What makes this even more interesting is that he was clearly getting the bulk of his lesson from what he had heard from Area leaders. He also said that churchwide, temples are operating at 11% of capacity! I wa

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

chastised the Herald for being part of the "evil, corrupt media that have led our children astray." Some others thought the articles were discouraging and should not have been printed in a community dominated by Mormons, saying, "You people had better notice who your customers are.&quo

Re: [TruthTalk] The LDS Jesus needed to be saved!

somebody else were interested in what I'd like to say to in reply! Go ahead just this once Dave, I read all of your posts-- :) Blainerb Kevin wrote: Please do Why did the LDS Jesus need to be saved? -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

, as neither of us suggested that the size of the LDS Church reflects its truthfulness. Kevin Deegan wrote: So using LDS "Logic" We see without a DOUBT the RCC "MUST BE THE ONE TRUE CHURCH" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blainerb: Interesting Dave, thanks--

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

not be silly. You've got one body and it's getting older. Bill -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six

Re: [TruthTalk] The LDS Jesus needed to be saved!

of the Jesus Christ of the BIBLE is drastically different from that ofthe BoM Jesus, they can not be the same person. Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like the Mormon Jesus is not eternal in any sense of the word. DAVEH: I respectfully disagree, Judy. We believe one who

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

DAVEH: What are you trying to do, Johncommit TruthTalkicide??? :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Strictly speaking, we are all in the same boat as that of our Mormon friends. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Dispersions

re out God with a carnal mind Dave. To answer your last questionyes, many things are created in a form before they become the actual entity. If we were created in the image of God (Gen 1:26), and we will be like him when he appears (1Jn 3:2), then does it not follow that God looks

Re: [TruthTalk] The LDS Jesus needed to be saved!

cConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3:238 "by obedience and devotion to the truth he attained that pinnacle of intelligence which ranked him as a God." McConkie, Mormon Doctrine Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -- ~

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Church has ZERO Growth!

. == For a crowd like that you need a wide road. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

DAVEH: Hmm Kevin..your admission qualifies as your second error! ;-) Kevin Deegan wrote: OK you win it takes 2 ERRORS to make it a PHONY! Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Would that apply to one who erroneously would suggest that all those who disagree

Re: [TruthTalk] Clowning Around

posted), but Dave found it and posted it, so, Blaine, I guess I owe you an apology. I am a clown. You can call me a clown any time you wish. In all humility, Perry the Clown *PRODUCE THE PHOTOS OR RETRACT YOUR MISCHARACTERIZATION OF MY COUNTENANCE! * DAVEH: Can

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

DAVEH: Would that apply to one who erroneously would suggest that all those who disagree with the LDS Church are anti-Mormons? :-) Kevin Deegan wrote: All it takes isONE internal Inconsistency or ERROR to make it a PHONY -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

DAVEH: Do you believe Jesus gave them authority to baptize? Or, do you think they automatically had that authority, as do many Christians today? Terry Clifton wrote: Check out that phrase, Dave. "it shall NOT be so among you." Jesus gave them authority over demons and He

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

was with the heresy of all the sects. It's not difficult to see as it's even worse today than it was then -he was right on that point - -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists

[TruthTalk] Christian Divisiveness

EXCEPT FOR MORMONS, OF COURSE! -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

DAVEH: His ordination of the apostles would suggest otherwise, Judy. For what reason did he call and ordain the apostles if they were not to stand in for Him? Did he not give them authority and then command them to preach and baptize in his name? Judith H Taylor wrote: Dave, Jesus

Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'

DAVEH: So what do you think the purpose was of Jesus choosing and ordaining the apostles, Terry? Do you believe Jesus gave them any authority? Terry Clifton wrote: You might want to consider His words recorded in Matthew 20:26-28, Dave. "You know that the rulers of the Gentiles

Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Divisiveness

little relevance, and doctrinal disputations (misinterpretations) seemingly divide Protestantism as efficiently as a Ginsu knife demonstration slices, chops and dices onions. Well, Dave, with 85% of Americans claiming to be Christian, and Jesus saying that narrow and straight is the way

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

ive of man !! As a result, in Him, mankind, full of faith,escapes judgment (John 5:24 and Col 1:22, where the word translated "blameless" means "unaccused" or he who "cannot be called into account" - Thayer).PTL !! JD -Original Message- From: Dave [EMAIL PR

Re: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: French Terrorism Alert]

. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

DAVEH: You might have better luck turning wine into water :-) Terry Clifton wrote: Just like I can turn water into wine? I wish. Terry -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

DAVEH: And..the Son of man as well. Do other TTers not find that immensely important? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't be fooled. The scriptures plainly teach that Jesus Christ was God and man. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com

Re: [TruthTalk] questions for Kevin . . (was playing chess . . . etc).

down in their journey of eternal progression. Lance Muir wrote: A the ever elusive reality! And, here we are back at the beginning, Dave. IFF I/you etc. have committed ourselves to an UNreal belief...what then? - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen

Re: [TruthTalk] questions for Kevin . . (was playing chess . . . etc).

DAVEH: And sometimes I wonder just how much reality is reflected in TT. Terry Clifton wrote: Don't pay too much attention to Mormons or sociologists. Neither of them have a good grasp of reality. Terry -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com

Re: [TruthTalk] questions for Kevin . . (was playing chess . . . etc).

a sort of theological fantasyland. However DaveH, even that theological fantasyland is closer to reality than the theological space that you occupy. Ain't nuttin' gonna move anybody from their present convictions...right Dave H? - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen

[TruthTalk] Courtesy of A.Word.A.Day

True religion is the life we lead, not the creed we profess. -Louis Nizer, lawyer (1902-1994) -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF

Re: [TruthTalk] questions for Kevin . . (was playing chess . . . etc).

ld be fulfilled. Hi Kevin, Why do youthinkthe Lordchose Judas to be an apostle in the first place? Do you think he knew he would betray him? BlainerB -- ~~~ Dav

Re: [TruthTalk] The Spalding Enigma

DAVEH: If not, then what led you to say the authors appear to have done rather a competent job. .Did you read a review by somebody else, or did you thumb through it looking at the index, or??? Lance Muir wrote: Not as yet, Dave. DAVEH: Did you read it, Lance

[TruthTalk] Courtesy of My Son, Ross

http://www.churchsigngenerator.com/index_1.php -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. -- Let your

[TruthTalk] The Spalding Enigma

hold your breath 'til one of the participants on TT of the 'Mormon persuasion' changes his mind. The above is just a prelim for saying people who believe 'stuff' don't change their minds. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish

Re: [TruthTalk] Works and the Book of James

DAVEH: Thanx for taking time to respond to this, Terry. I understand your explanation, though I'm not sure it quite answers my question. IOWOnce a person becomes a saved Christian, can sin prevent him from ending up in heaven? Terry Clifton wrote: Dave wrote: DAVEH: From

Re: [TruthTalk] Works and the Book of James

wrote: DaveH wrote: Once a person becomes a saved Christian, can sin prevent him from ending up in heaven? Yes. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I

Re: [TruthTalk] Works and the Book of James

DAVEH: From the perspective of a saved Christian, why does it matter whether one sins or not? Do not Christians believe their salvation will save them from any sins they may commit? David Miller wrote: I have been encountering sinning Christians all my life,. -- ~~~ Dave

Re: [TruthTalk] Works and the Book of James

I do not consider it a sin. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible

to pounce on you about. I'm just trying to understand your perspective. DaveH, is this also how you view the Bible and the BoM? Is the BoM more trustworthy than the Bible, from your perspective? Peace be with you. David Miller. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection

to DM -- but now that you are here,I wouldn't mindyour answer. However -- I do not want to interrupt your discussion with the Canadian Professor. JD -Original Message- From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 23:11:11 -0700 Subject: Re

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

(?) From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: July 05, 2005 14:14 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ DAVEH: I think another TTer mentioned (Izzy below) eternal life. Do you believe you can have eternal life

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible

REDEMPTION ONLY THE REDEEMER IS PERFECT, DAVID. We participate in that which He, the second Adam lived out from conception to ascension on our behalf. Our 'imperfections' are visible to ourselves and to those about us, though redeemed. - Original Message - From: "Dave" [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible

DAVEH: ??? Are you addressing DM or DH, Judy? If you are addressing me, I fail to understand what you are trying to convey with your comment. Judy Taylor wrote: And Dave lest they forget you should also be aware that God has extremely bad eyesight so that he does not see any

Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection

once said that the cross only forgives past sins. Is that your opinion this day? John -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF,

Re: [TruthTalk] A Discussion About Jesus

iend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.

[TruthTalk] Pre-Mortal Existence

DAVEH: Question for DavidM, or anybody else for that matter Why do you not believe it possible for us (mortals) to have existed in the pre-mortal existence? -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find

[TruthTalk] Courtesy of A.Word.A.Day

Matters of religion should never be matters of controversy. We neither argue with a lover about his taste, nor condemn him, if we are just, for knowing so human a passion. -George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952) -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com

Re: [TruthTalk] Pre-Mortal Existence

the Logos. There are some other reasons that are important as well, but I do not have the time right now to go into them. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

ave eternal life? iz -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.

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