RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism paradigms

2006-03-25 Thread knpraise
We have at leat three general patterns represented here on TT: 1. Drive-by or protest evangelism. 2. Ivory tower evangelism. 3. Mentor evangelism. I have made my choice. Enough said. jd

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism paradigms

2006-03-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
For enquiring minds: JD chose plan B ZER0 Evangelism --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have at leat three general patterns represented here on TT: 1. Drive-by or protest evangelism. 2. Ivory tower evangelism. 3. Mentor evangelism. I have made my choice. Enough said. jd

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism paradigms

2006-03-25 Thread Judy Taylor
What's that Kevin "delusory evangelism" or one of the three below?? On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:25:50 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For enquiring minds: JD chose plan B ZER0 Evangelism --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have at leat three general patterns

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism paradigms

2006-03-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
I knew a guy that got so bothered dealing withcult members, in frustration he said "let them go to hell" He meant it and so many today might as well, since their Evagelistic efforts amount to ZER0The new increasingly popularprogram of evangelism is the HOTtest thing. Based on the Japanese

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism paradigms

2006-03-25 Thread knpraise
Well, I certainly think you qualify as the house pro on zero. -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I knew a guy that got so bothered dealing withcult members, in frustration he said "let them go to hell" He meant it and so many today might as

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism paradigms

2006-03-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
Tell us about some ofyour AMAZING sucess stories!Have you discipled any other Bishops? Who are they?I am so excited waiting for the exciting stories![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Well, I certainly think you qualify as the house pro on zero. -- Original message

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism paradigms

2006-03-25 Thread knpraise
I made the mistake of answering this line of questioning in detail, before. No point in doing it again. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tell us about some ofyour AMAZING sucess stories! Have you discipled any other Bishops? Who are they?

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism paradigms

2006-03-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
O that is right I remember, now.You said two door Blue[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I made the mistake of answering this line of questioning in detail, before. No point in doing it again. jd-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tell us

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism paradigms

2006-03-25 Thread knpraise
In the past two days, some 28 posts similar to this one in terms of content. Number 29 is only a few minutes away. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] O that is right I remember, now. You said two door Blue[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I made

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-30 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/29/2005 6:00:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, Knpraise writes: In a message dated 1/28/2005 12:18:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as John goes, if he wants to question the orthodoxy of the fall, I say let him do so. Who is Adam but the old man?

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-30 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/29/2005 6:00:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, Knpraise writes: In a message dated 1/28/2005 12:18:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as John goes, if he wants to question the orthodoxy of the fall, I say let

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
Perhaps I do not see the sin event as a tragedy. Rather, it was and is (us all ) that which springs from unregenerate man. It was going to happen -- BECAUSE GOD IS NOT FINISHED WITH US YET. Adam needed the same Author and Finisher as we. It is not simply that we share in Adam because of

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-29 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/28/2005 5:10:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm interested in what you and others think about the fall of man being orthodox doctrine or pop theology. No one on this forum, except you, allows for the doctrine of the "fall of man" to be "pop theology."

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-29 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/28/2005 12:18:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as John goes, if he wants to question the orthodoxy of the fall, I say let him do so. Who is Adam but the old man? When Christ died, we died with him -- and the old man died, too. The debt of the

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-29 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Have been pondering this. I think there is only one story. The Word of God is, and illuminates, history--doesn't tell us all movement in time and space, but tells us ["us" advisedly--rather than"me"] its meaning and traces its purposeful continuity, and brackets it with eternity; history

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-28 Thread ShieldsFamily
- Adam sinned and we share in his sin BECAUSE we all have sinned. JD JD, Yes, we HAVE sinned, which is why we need a Savior, to deliver us from the penalty and effects of sin, and to free us from the bondage of having to continue sinning. We not longer HAVE to live in the flesh; now we

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-28 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/28/2005 5:28:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JD, Yes, we HAVE sinned, which is why we need a Savior, to deliver us from the penalty and effects of sin, and to free us from the bondage of having to continue sinning. You draw a distinction between past

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-28 Thread ShieldsFamily
JD, Yes, we HAVE sinned, which is why we need a Savior, to deliver us from the penalty and effects of sin, and to free us from the bondage of having to continue sinning. You draw a distinction between past sins and the continual sin circumstance when you capitalize HAVE in the

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-28 Thread David Miller
] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism In a message dated 1/27/2005 8:45:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Miller wrote:What about your perspective that therewas no fall of man

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-28 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: JD you have associated yourself with your Triad friends. And since when do the Righteous proclaim that they sin every day? LOL. Excellent point, Izzy. And since when do the righteous proclaim a vulgar and profane man like Jon Stewart to be a prophetic voice into our culture?

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-28 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: The Good News is that we are now FREE from sinning, and FREE to live in the Spirit! Oh, what a happy thought for starting the day!!! Amen. Preach it sister. This is the gospel of Jesus Christ. The kingdom of God is here! Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-28 Thread Bill Taylor
vid Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism Hi John. I don't have a lot of time, so my response is in red. This is becoming much too personal, so I think we should just drop this exchange until you are able

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-27 Thread Lance Muir
approximated such as this. - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 26, 2005 19:26 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T, You and DavidM sound irate, partic at the conservatv church-goers of America

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-27 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Ohhcool music, Kevin! :-) Kevin Deegan wrote: http://theologue.info/church_movie.htm -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-27 Thread David Miller
Gary wrote: T, You and DavidM sound irate, partic at the conservatv church-goers of America; Don't you think God is angry at hypocrite Christianity? Gary wrote: are you mad at them for sendg GWB back to the WH? It took a lot more than conservative church-goers to retain George Bush in

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-27 Thread Kevin Deegan
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary wrote: T, You and DavidM sound irate, partic at the conservatv church-goers of America;Don't you think God is angry at hypocrite Christianity?Gary wrote: are

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-27 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: What about your perspective that there was no fall of man in the garden? Isn't that part of modern pop theology? John wrote: Why ask that question? Because I was surprised to hear you say that there are no pop theologies in this forum. I would consider a disbelief in

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-27 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: To say that truth is unobtainable without the voice of others is error. John wrote: Well then -- guess that does it for authors of the biblical message, for the prophets, for the evangelists, for the pastors, for the teachers, for those who are spiritual (helping

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-27 Thread ttxpress
it's on the flip side of sinless perfection; existentially our sin is core orthodoxy as is our (actual, existential) redemption in Christ neither sinlessness nor sinless perfection square with reality ftr, existential 'reality'is unorthodox outside of the Word of God (a commentfor

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-27 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/27/2005 8:23:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Bless your heart. It is so much easier to come up with tidbits such as the above rather than fulfill the

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-27 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/27/2005 8:45:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Miller wrote: What about your perspective that there was no fall of man in the garden? Isn't that part of modern pop theology? John wrote: Why ask that question? Because I was surprised to hear you

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-27 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/27/2005 8:52:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Miller wrote: To say that truth is unobtainable without the voice of others is error. John wrote: Well then -- guess that does it for authors of the biblical message, for the prophets, for the

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-27 Thread Kevin Deegan
Here is a tidbit for you If the shoe fits wear it[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/27/2005 8:23:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.Bless your heart. It is so much easier to

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Out of respect for my friends in the Righteous Triad (I like that more than liberal, don't you?), I believe that I am the only one who has fallen from the fall. It fits in with the equation Lance, Jonathan, Billy T and poor old John Smithson. An so you try to force me onto the

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-27 Thread Knpraise
Lets continue the "tidbit" theme for a second with "go thou and do likewise." Now that was easy enough, but equally immature. Was any good accomplished by this quoting of scritprue from your dear brother Smithson? Quoting scripture while thinking you are actually ministering the Word is the

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-27 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/27/2005 7:41:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JD you have associated yourself with your Triad friends. And since when do the Righteous proclaim that they sin every day? Izzy Since the very moment we were made to be righteous by the Great God Almighty.

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-27 Thread Kevin Deegan
How thoughtless of me. I need more community.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lets continue the "tidbit" theme for a second with "go thou and do likewise." Now that was easy enough, but equally immature. Was any good accomplished by this quoting of scritprue from your dear brother Smithson? Quoting

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-27 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/27/2005 9:04:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How thoughtless of me. I need more community. Probably not, Kevin. Sounds as though you have it all figured out. JD

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-26 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Sawczak Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 10:26 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism I am realizing just how big a part the will plays in understanding. Debbie -Original

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-26 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/25/2005 6:34:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sounds good on the surface, John. It may even be true for some who are more dependant than independant. It certainly would not apply, however, to the shepherd

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-26 Thread Lance Muir
: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 26, 2005 08:50 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/25/2005 6:34:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sounds good on the surface, John. It may even

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-26 Thread ttxpress
holy smoke! you and me and Servetus'd be inseperable, T On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:50:47 -0600 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || myself..a burning desire to stay as far from hypocrites as possible.

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-26 Thread Knpraise
y, January 25, 2005 10:26 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism I am realizing just how big a part the will plays in understanding. Debbie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 20

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-26 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/26/2005 3:37:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, thats so true--whether or not we will to be conformed to the image of Christ (who came to set us free from sin), or whether we will to be conformed to the pop theologies of the day (invented to excuse

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-26 Thread David Miller
John wrote: There are no pop theologies on this forum ... What about your perspective that there was no fall of man in the garden? Isn't that part of modern pop theology? Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-26 Thread David Miller
Terry wrote: It's the pretend christians that make me gag. Makes me want to spew them out of my mouth. You tell 'em, Terry. You are speaking for our Lord now. :-) Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-26 Thread David Miller
John wrote: ... we need each other or God would not have put us together. Why any would feel the need to correct this opinion is beyond me. Perhaps perspective makes a difference. Does our Lord want us to have the attitude that we need each other in order to obtain truth, or the attitude

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-26 Thread Debbie Sawczak
In other words--to connect the belowwith my immediately preceding post whose thread I retitled "Word of God"--if it is a form of "dependency" to need each other to be, and help understand, reality, then so is needing to sleep, eat, and exercise.And of course it works both ways--we can and

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-26 Thread ttxpress
T, You and DavidMsoundirate, partic atthe conservatv church-goers of America; are you mad at them for sendg GWB back to the WH? On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:50:47 -0600 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || It's the pretend christians that make me Gag.

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-26 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T, You and DavidM sound irate, partic at the conservatv church-goers of America; are you mad at them for sendg GWB back to the WH? == Not mad or angry, G, just disappointed. To me, the Bible is the

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-26 Thread ShieldsFamily
dead institutions and moving where He is allowed. What do you think? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 11:44 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism http://theologue.info

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-26 Thread ShieldsFamily
, 2005 2:25 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism In other words--to connect the belowwith my immediately preceding post whose thread I retitled Word of God--if it is a form of dependency to need each other to be, and help understand, reality, then so is needing

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-26 Thread ShieldsFamily
G, its the pretend category that voted against GWB. J Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:27 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism T, You

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-26 Thread ttxpress
lto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:27 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism T, You and DavidMsoundirate, partic atthe conservatv church-goers of America; are you mad at them for sendg GWB back

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-26 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/26/2005 11:08:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To say that truth is unobtainable without the voice of others is error. Well then -- guess that does it for authors of the biblical message, for the prophets, for the evangelists, for the pastors, for the

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-26 Thread ttxpress
the teacher is omitted? On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:50:07 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To insist on calling such "pop theology" is to insult the teaching rather than deal with the issue, itself.John

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-26 Thread Kevin Deegan
DeeganSent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 11:44 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism http://theologue.info/church_movie.htm Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-26 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:06 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism In a message dated 1/26/2005 11:08:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-26 Thread ShieldsFamily
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 8:30 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism The point is we do not go to the world to see what works there, and then bring it in to the church. ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, thanks for the interesting video

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-26 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/26/2005 6:02:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the teacher is omitted? On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:50:07 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To insist on calling such "pop theology" is to insult the teaching rather than deal with the issue, itself. John A

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-26 Thread ShieldsFamily
J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:02 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism In a message dated 1/26/2005 6:02:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-25 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/24/2005 5:34:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: is unity prerequisite to locating *truth*, below ..what's the role of toleration (here, on TT) ..the relationship betw unity toleration? On Mon, 24 Jan 2005

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
TERRY SAYS: It certainly would not apply, however, to the shepherd boy named David who had for company only sheep, nor to John the Baptist, who lived alone in the wilderness, or to Elija, or to Paul following his experience on the Damascus road, or to John on the isle of Patmos, or to Job and many

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
Everyone who settles for an elementary knowledge in the Faith is reduced to a life, a spiritual life, of immaturity. But exposure to that which is beyond the elementary issues of faith and practice leads to a sensitive and well trained disciple, one who is then, and only then, able to

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
= Sounds good on the surface, John. It may even be true for some who are more dependant than independant. It certainly would not apply, however, to the shepherd boy named David who had for company only sheep, nor to John the Baptist, who

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
Mother Teresa? Did she ever really work out her faith? Mother Teresawrote in 1958: "My smile is a great cloak that hides a multitude of pains." MT "The damned of hell suffer eternal punishment because they experiment with the loss of God. In my own soul, I feel the terrible pain of this

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
Mother Teresa? Did she ever really work out her faith? Mother Teresawrote in 1958: "My smile is a great cloak that hides a multitude of pains." MT "The damned of hell suffer eternal punishment because they experiment with the loss of God. In my own soul, I feel the terrible pain of this

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
, January 25, 2005 11:07 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism Mother Teresa? Did she ever really work out her faith? Mother Teresawrote in 1958: My smile is a great cloak that hides a multitude of pains. MT The damned of hell suffer

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
l the 24 hours, touching Him in His distressing disguise.” Mother Theresa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 11:07 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism Mother Teresa? Did she ever r

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
your Father who is in heaven. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 12:58 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism Doubt may occur but when that doubt is in the very existance of god

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-25 Thread ttxpress
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:52:38 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || MK 6:31..*he* said unto them, Come ye yourselves apart into a desert place, and rest a while:..*they* had no leisure so much as to eat.

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-25 Thread ttxpress
who are you referring to--who is 'we'? On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:33:29 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We can only speculate ..

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
Those of us who are not God. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 5:21 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism who are you referring to--who is 'we

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/24/2005 10:01:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, I see. I agree with you. You are emphasizing the corporate, and I am emphasizing the searching. I think truth is not obvious the way we would sometimes like it to be; many things are "hidden", some

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/24/2005 10:09:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I didn't mention the Holy Spirit. We need him in order to find and understand the truth. But that doesn't obviate the search. Debbie I didn't think for a second that you had forgotten. He hides between

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-25 Thread ttxpress
is this what you mean? On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:46:43 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Those of us who are not God...can only speculate ..

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/25/2005 6:34:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || Everyone who settles for an elementary knowledge in the Faith is reduced to a life, a spiritual life, of immaturity. But exposure to that which is beyond the elementary issues of faith and practice

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-25 Thread Knpraise
This is just plain silly. The effect of what I wrote earlier is this: we need each other or God would not have put us together. Why any would feel the need to correct this opinion is beyond me. Those who resist the fellowship (read: partnership and read it with emphasis) of the saints are those

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/25/2005 7:59:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: KD Are you talking abut the "Life Long Learning" of the Purpose DRIVEN Church? I have the book in my library. Never have taken the time to read it. 'Life long learning?"

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/25/2005 3:25:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:52:38 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || MK 6:31..*he* said unto them, Come ye yourselves apart into a desert place, and rest a while: ..*they* had no leisure

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-25 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is just plain silly. The effect of what I wrote earlier is this: we need each other or God would not have put us together. Why any would feel the need to correct this opinion is beyond me.Those who resist the fellowship (read: partnership and read it

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-25 Thread Debbie Sawczak
I am realizing just how big a part the will plays in understanding. Debbie -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:40 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] EvangelismThis is just plain

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/25/2005 8:16:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am realizing just how big a part the will plays in understanding. Debbie Amen.

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/25/2005 6:34:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sounds good on the surface, John. It may even be true for some who are more dependant than independant. It certainly would not apply, however, to the shepherd boy named David who had for company only sheep,

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-24 Thread David Miller
John wrote: David, why in the world do you oppose perhaps 90% of the things I share on this forum? My perspective is that I agree with about 90% of what you share. I would like to agree 100% of the time. It would be nice if we could speak the same thing and have the same mind. John wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/22/2005 7:39:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Corporate agreement is often seen as "truth." If I have my hat on correctly, truth is not possible without a corporate (read: communal) searching. [Debbie] Someone quoted me a verse recently from which

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-24 Thread ttxpress
is unityprerequisiteto locating*truth*, below ..what's the role oftoleration (here, on TT) ..the relationship betw unity toleration? On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:48:51 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 1/22/2005 7:39:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-24 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/22/2005 7:39:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Corporate agreement is often seen as truth. If I have my hat on correctly, truth is not possible without a corporate (read: communal) searching.

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Corporate agreement is often seen as truth. If I have my hat on correctly, truth is not possible without a corporate (read: communal) searching. The truth is not established by the opinion of the

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/24/2005 5:34:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: is unity prerequisite to locating *truth*, below ..what's the role of toleration (here, on TT) ..the relationship betw unity toleration? On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:48:51 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/24/2005 6:34:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The truth is not established by the opinion of the majority. Truth is determined by DNA testing. In the search for "truth," the majority does not matter at all. Disagreement on this issue gives rises to

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/24/2005 8:55:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, Knpraise writes: In a message dated 1/24/2005 5:34:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: is unity prerequisite to locating *truth*, below ..what's the role of toleration (here, on TT) ..the relationship betw unity

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-24 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Yes, I see. I agree with you. You are emphasizing the corporate, and I am emphasizing the searching. I think truth is not obvious the way we would sometimes like it to be; many things are "hidden", some of the most glorious truths are buried like treasure, andsearching them out is part of

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-24 Thread Debbie Sawczak
I didn't mention the Holy Spirit. We need him in order to find and understand the truth. But that doesn't obviate the search. Debbie -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 7:49 PMTo:

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-22 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Corporate agreement is often seen as "truth." If I have my hat on correctly, truth is not possible without a corporate (read: communal) searching. [Debbie] Someone quoted me a verse recently from which they extracted something similar: Proverbs 25:2 "It is the glory of God to conceal a

RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-21 Thread Jonathan Hughes
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:33 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism David, is there some place on the web where I can read more of this? Terry David

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-21 Thread Terry Clifton
Jonathan Hughes wrote: Terry, David got them from E-Sword. Use this link: http://www.e-sword.net/files/setup752.exe Then go to this page http://www.e-sword.net/extras.html and download http://www.e-sword.net/files/extras/ante-nicene.exe. 9 volumes of the Ante-Nicene Fathers await you.

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
So you have settled it in your mind. It adds nothing to your Mind. OK - enjoy[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/20/2005 1:34:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi John.I remembered in some past post you had expressed appreciation for the church fathers. Have you

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
I know what F.E is, David. While we are on this subject - one which has nothing to do with Is 58 -- what churches present F.E to the exclusion of preaching or teaching the gospel? Good Question! You are right almost all of them talk about evangelism, very few Do anything with it. Some do door to

Re: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

2005-01-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/21/2005 9:42:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know what F.E is, David. While we are on this subject - one which has nothing to do with Is 58 -- what churches present F.E to the exclusion of preaching or teaching the gospel? Good Question! You are

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