On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:33:23 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Romans 14 is not a discussion of how to treat the weak brother TO THE
EXCLUSION OF DIVERSITY.The problem in Romans 14 is clearly that of
diversity. The principle used to deal with doctrinal diversity is stated
in 14:4 and
ONE GOD IN THREE PERSONS
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Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is the day in
Genesis literal or figurative?
Unity in
Diversity.
Fatness in
Skinniness.
Did you mean to say the RNC?
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From:
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 20, 2006 15:20
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is the day in
Genesis literal or figurative?
And this also is not
a shot. But how could you
http://home.earthlink.net/~ldsendowment/lecture.html (Brigham Young - first official script of the endowment- BYU Special Collections,Provo, Utah) Adam was an immortal being when he came on this earth. He had lived on an earth similar to ours; he had received the priesthood and the keys thereof,
CONTENTION is of the Devil 3 Ne 11 And according as I have commanded you thus shall ye baptize. And there shall be no disputations among you, as there have hitherto been; neither shall there be disputations among you concerning the points of my doctrine, as there have hitherto been.29For verily,
GOD IS ONE; JESUS SAID "I AND THE FATHER ARE
ONE"
More accurately, one person in
threemanifestations
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 06:27:25 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ONE GOD IN THREE PERSONS
From: ShieldsFamily
Unity in
Diversity.
Fatness in
I believe there has been numerous attempts on TT. You say you do not get it but at least it has been attempted. Seems to me that OTOH there is NO ATTEMPT to explain LDS Trinities!Father Son and Michael versus Father Son and Holy GhostGreat Granpa, Granpa and Grandson (Father Son and
Israel was created by agreements of the young United Nations. Their
new land was nothing like what it is today.
The land was covenanted by God to Abraham and his seed
in an "everlasting" covenant; I'd say that lasts a long
time - wouldn't you JD?
And the hatred of Palestinians goes beyond
Apparently it is no harder to EXPLAIN than the two different Trinities of LDS gods.Could you explain Father Son MICHAEL to us?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you get Father PLUS Son PLUS Holy Ghost EQUALS ONE?DAVEH: I forgot to ask, Kevin.Would you please explain it using the
Replacement Theology[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:First , I am not a dispensationalist -- never have been and very likely never will be. It is an American theological invention. a man named Darby being its first major proponent, and Scolfield along with Dallas Theological Seminary being the back
Genesis
13:14-15
(14) And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from
him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art
northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward: (15) For
Illegal Alien Invasion
By Judge Roy Moore
The Covenant News ~ March 21, 2006
America is a land of immigrants. From the beginning of our Nation,
people have come to America "the land of opportunity" where they found freedom
and prosperity. However, over the last few years the
What did YOU think of yesterday's QA with
GWB?
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From:
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 21, 2006 09:51
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is the day in
Genesis literal or figurative?
No. I meant DNC.
iz
1. "Faith" is used with two considerations in Romans 14 -- "the Faith" and "faith." The FOUR brethren disagreed on The Faith, Judy. Now if you do not think that "The Faith" includes doctrine, we must agree to disagree.
2. We have the eating of meats AND the observance of holy days presented in
In short, Modalism !!
Modalism The error that there is only one person in the Godhead who manifests himself in three forms or manners: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
REPENT -- HURRY !!
jd
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GOD IS ONE;
Why not just address Judy as a 'modalityite' as she
hates 'isms'! She is also of the opinion that church history is of little
value.
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And look who sit squarely in the middle of
it all; how very convenient. iz
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Message from Rabbi
LOL for Lance's comment.
Also, Linda, when someone spoke of the "anti - Christ" in first century times, whommm do you think they would envision -- the RCC which wasn't in existence or some form of Judaism, which did exist and was very anti-Christ??? What would be the message in
I stand corrected.
Judy, modal--m was heresy thousands of years ago for the same reasons it is today - among other things, it denies the person of God the Father and the person of Christ, His eteranl son.
jd
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Actually, Smithson Theologgy versus [apparently] Deegan Theology and/or differently stated than Muir Theology or Taylor Theology or Ottoson Theology.
Can't we all just get along -- seriously?
jd
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Yours?
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Astronomy and Genesis chapters 1-11
DAVEH: Not at all, Izzy. It is simply an
Amen, Brother Kevin! iz
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CONTENTION is of the Devil
3 Ne 11 And according as I have
Ive never known a Jew who hated
Palestinians. I do, sadly, know many Christians who hate Jews.
iz
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Those who claimed to be Christians, but
were not of the same Spirit. izzy
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From: David
Peck
To: 'Lance Muir'
Sent: March 21, 2006 10:01
Subject: RE: Fw: understanding, believing, knowing,
doing
This seems dangerously
close to analytic philosophy and you know how I feel about that
I tried to call
you yesterday, but you had already
After allANTI's are Stupid Losers and do not really
undestand, just can't get the facts straight!
DAVEH: Sigh Sometimes I just don't feel compelled to argue
with you, Kevin.
Kevin Deegan wrote:
CONTENTION is of the Devil
3 Ne 11 And according as I have commanded you thus shall ye
I believe there has been numerous attempts on TT.
DAVEH: The keyword is attempts. And when you use the term numerous,
just how many times does mean numerous, Kevin?
You say you do not get it but at least it has been attempted.
DAVEH: When did I say that I do not get it? Care to quote me
on
LOL!
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To avoid
WHAT?
DAVEH: Contention perhaps, such as is commonly found here?
No. I meant DNC. iz
From:
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Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:28
AM
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the
day in Genesis literal or figurative?
Did you mean to say the RNC?
Thanks God they are Mexicans and not
Jews!!! (There would be an electric fence erected immediately!) izzy
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DAVEH: I would think anybody who understands that the argument of
using a burning bush as evidence to prove that God is capable of
creating an unquenchable fire
is a bit weak if that unquenchable
fire (burning bush) has been quenched.
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Yours?
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From: Hughes Jonathan
To: Lance Muir
Sent: March 21, 2006 10:45
Subject: Williams on Creationism
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/03/21/britain.williams.ap/index.html
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There is little point in talking with someone who knows me better than I know me. Such arrogant surmising is the product of the kind of narrowness that I disregard.
jd
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Jd, I never said the Jews will
It has not been quenched. It is alive
today in my heart. izzy
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Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:03
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Astronomy and Genesis chapters 1-11
What good is theology if it doesn't hit the ground running in the midst of our city, our culture?
(a question asked by another)
jd
Missed it. Who did he QA with?
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:39
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the
day in Genesis literal or figurative?
What did YOU think of
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From: Debbie Sawczak
To: 'Lance Muir'
Sent: March 21, 2006 12:15
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
"And for most of the history of Christianity ... there's
been an awareness that a belief that everything depends on the creative act of
God
You are not required to make up lies about a person -- the judgment you offer is the judgment you will receive. Have a nice day.
jd
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Fine with me; Im only required to warn you. iz
From: [EMAIL
A group of businessmen in Cleveland. I thought he
handled himself rather well.
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From:
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Sent: March 21, 2006 12:16
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is the day in
Genesis literal or figurative?
Missed
The world in which we live would reject any mention of God in the evolutionary process, IMO. But creationism in the schools? Could that not be considered the beginnings of a fanatical fundamentalist take-over of the culture?
But to allow a mere statement that suggests God is somehow in control
The burning bush is not a weak observation concerning the question of
whether or not God is capable of creating an unquenchable fire. It would
not be proof that he has done it, but it does logically support the idea
that he is capable, even though the bush is not burning right now.
By the
Yup is right, but how does he get from this thought to the idea that
creationism should not be considered in schools? I hate it when theologians
are embarassed of giving glory to the Creator in school.
David Miller
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From: Debbie Sawczak
To: 'Lance Muir'
Sent:
Excuse me, John, but nobody has proven that modalism is an error, so how can
you use the word repent in regards to this? Do you really think it is a sin
for someone to think modalism is useful in understanding the Godhead?
David Miller
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The four disagreed on The Faith? How so?
David Miller
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Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?
1. Faith is
John wrote:
The world in which we live would reject
any mention of God in the evolutionary process,
IMO. But creationism in the schools?
Could
that not be considered the beginnings of a fanatical
fundamentalist take-over of the culture?
ROTFLOL. I sure hope youwere being facetious on
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In short, Modalism !!
Sort of Like the RESTORATIONISTS of the pre Church of Christ -
CHRIST-ian church?
Sounds more like your HERITAGE!
The guys who thaought, the only name for the TRUE church is to have the
name of CHRIST thus the Christian Church!
BTW of What TRIBE are you?
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, Smithson Theologgy versus [apparently] Deegan Theology
and/or differently stated than Muir Theology or Taylor Theology or
Ottoson Theology.
Can't we all just get along -- seriously?
jd
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A long period of time has a end point Forever does not!
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Judy, I have no idea as to the connection between your comments and
my mine, below?
Also, do you not believe that forever can also mean a long period
of time?
One more thing, quickly. I am not
A long period of time has a end point Forever does not!
Change a few more words it will fit your Replacement Theology better.
Jew does not really mean Jew it means church!
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Judy, I have no idea as to the connection between your comments and
my mine, below?
The Bible tells us that a insignificant piece of dirt inhabited by Jews
come from all over the world would be a problem to the whole world in
the last days.
It does not tell us of a land filled with Christians would be the
problem
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I've never known a
So too those that claim to be Jews and are not; Revelation says they
are in REALITY of the Synagogue of Satan!
--- ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Those who claimed to be Christians, but were not of the same Spirit.
izzy
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[mailto:[EMAIL
Somebody has missed the History of the world for the last almost 60
years. It has been one big problem after another all revolving around
just what should the UN (or world) do with those Jews anyhow.
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There is little point in talking with someone who knows me better
And I would think that it would be easy for you to answer why you take
part of the same sentence/verse figurative and another literal.
I asked; you avoided, because there is no logical reason to do so, just
an Emotive one!
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DAVEH: I would think anybody
I have numerous times would you like the posts reposted to refresh your
memory?
What is up with all the various LDS TRINITIES?
I am real interested in the CREATORS of this planet
Why is Adam a creator of Earth?
Why are you to follow adam to become a God?
ELohim
Jehovah
Michael/Adam
Why is Adam
Why all the name calling from LDS is this CONTENTION?
http://www.mormonismi.info/jamesdavid/negative.htm
--- Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
_*After all ANTI's are Stupid Losers and do not really undestand,
just
can't get the facts straight!*_
DAVEH: Sigh Sometimes I just don't
Thats funny coming from you.
Do you want to quote some more of my thoughts/beliefs again?
You had a running debate with yourself posting my thoughts on the
subject of carnal babes.
LOL
It is only arrogant/narrow when others do it to you?
LOL
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There is little point in
Lance says Israel, many times oppressed and, often by believers, has
adopted the role of oppressor.
ROTFL
That is Ludicrous on the face of it.
Where did you pick this whopper up?
Perhaps you need a Geography lesson!
http://www.masada2000.org/geography.html
Israel in RED , is a democratic nation
A classic the likes of which have not been seen around TT since the old
CPP funding of WMD!
--- Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lance says Israel, many times oppressed and, often by believers, has
adopted the role of oppressor.
ROTFL
That is Ludicrous on the face of it.
Where did
Do you still consider yourself a Trinitarian leaning towards Modalism?
--- David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Excuse me, John, but nobody has proven that modalism is an error, so
how can
you use the word repent in regards to this? Do you really think it
is a sin
for someone to think
DM says In case you did not notice, the fundamentalists are not causing
the acknowledgement of our Creator to be forbidden in schools. It is
the liberal loonies like this Archbishop of Canterbury who are doing
this.
Some around here are concerned that there are FUNDIES lurking around
every
This is interesting, Kevin. The LDS believes in henotheism (a type of
polytheism) and modalism at the same time? How can this be? DaveH, please
let us know your thoughts about this.
David Miller
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ROTFLOL. Good point, Kevin.
David Miller
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Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:05 PM
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2006-Not All Authority is Bad
Lance says
Yes.
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Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:10 PM
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Do you still consider yourself a Trinitarian leaning towards Modalism?
--- David
As the week winds down, I will not be enforcing any rules on
TruthTalk. If any of you have felt muzzled by the no ad hominem rule, now
is your time to vent. However, I would ask that you consider that you will
be leaving your last impression upon us, so it might be prudent for you to be
What is also interesting is they have roots in the Restoration movement. via David Millard (contemporary of Joe who lived Published 13 miles away.) Elias Smith see links below.David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is interesting, Kevin. The LDS believes in henotheism (a type of
Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/21/charges.dropped/ Prosecutors drop sex case against teacher She offers 'deepest apologies' to boy, 14, and his family"I am a strong Christian woman," she said. "I believe that God has a path for me, and this was just a bump in the road."
Brings words and
Perhaps the Bishop has the same concerns I do. I know this -- there isn't a single view of creationism that is agreed upon by the whole church.
jd
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John wrote:
The world in which we live would reject
The LDS believes in henotheism modalism?Not at the same time. FIRST This is an IMPORTANT thing to rightly understand even Joe said so Let us here observe, that three things are necessary, in order that any rational and intelligent being may exercise faith in God unto life and
JD says Perhaps the Bishop has the same concerns I do. He too is afraid of fundamentalists? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Perhaps the Bishop has the same concerns I do. I know this -- there isn't a single view of creationism that is agreed upon by the whole church. jd--
Well --- I really do not know his reasoning.. hence the wording "perhaps " I have a friend, a math teacher in high school. He had to teach biology for a semester. He decided he was put his career on the line and make a statement ,in class, that was pro-creation. Before he made his
DAVEH: Sometimes I just don't feel compelled to argue with you, Kevin.Don't want to "argue"? TRUTH is always able to withstand Public scrutiny! Maybe, you can call me names (like the other LDS quoted below much more available on request)orget a LDS BISHOP High Priest to find a very small SP
"If a faith will not bear to be investigated; if its preachers and professors are AFRAID to have it examined, their foundation must be very weak." Apostle George A. Smith, Journal of Discourses, Volume 14, Page 216Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:DAVEH: Sometimes I just don't feel
Thats to be expected IMO. iz
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Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006
11:37 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the
day in Genesis literal or figurative?
A group of businessmen in
True Christians are a the problem. Faux Christians are. And Jews are
always a problem for them. iz
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Amen.
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So too those that claim to be Jews and are not;
If fundamental Christianity is a problem for you, of what spirit are you? iz
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But Israel oppresses its enemies by EXISTING!!! (Poor sissies!) iz
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http://www.mun.ca/rels/restmov/texts/jburnett/eshm/ESHM.HTM Elder Smith had, previous to this time, deliberately concluded to disown all names but the name Christian, and had taught that the name Christian was the only one for Christ's followers to wear. In the year 1802 he began his work in
Whom do you ask the guys who think DM Judy are Fundies?ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If fundamental Christianity is a problem for you, of what spirit are you? iz-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Tuesday, March 21,
I have numerous times would you like the posts reposted to refresh your
memory?
DAVEH: Yes Kevin, please do.
Kevin Deegan wrote:
I have numerous times would you like the posts reposted to refresh your
memory?
What is up with all the various LDS TRINITIES?
I am real interested in the
DAVEH: Was there a question somewhere in there, Kevin?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
And I would think that it would be easy for you to answer why you take
part of the same sentence/verse figurative and another literal.
I asked; you avoided, because there is no logical reason to do so, just
an
but it does logically support the idea
that he is capable (of creating an unquenchable fire), even though the bush is not burning right now.
DAVEH: I'd (respectfully) say your logic is flawed on this one,
DavidM.
David Miller wrote:
The burning bush is not a weak observation concerning
DAVEH: With this post DavidM, I think you've exceeded your maximum
posting limit of 8 posts per day. I'd request a moderator reprimand
in your behalf, but like previous moderatorsour current moderator
is now changing the rules on the fly. Good thing you didn't make the
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