Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-19 Thread Lance Muir
The operative word is PROVISIONAL. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 18, 2005 12:13 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles Not really. But, is also depends on the nature

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-19 Thread Lance Muir
: December 18, 2005 09:59 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles Hi Dean: Thanks for your response and please pray for me. I am in a Reformed Church right now ONLY to encourage our son and DIL who want to raise our grandson in Church but

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-19 Thread Lance Muir
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:52:31 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh well, guess the Promise does not mean as much to you. It is this constant bit ofjudging that renders your inf

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-19 Thread Lance Muir
: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 18, 2005 15:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:25:51 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes to Dean: Amen Judy ? Get a life. Y

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-19 Thread Lance Muir
Are you, Judy, concerned for your son/yourself in this church, under this pastor? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 18, 2005 15:45 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate"

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-19 Thread Lance Muir
Will you kindly interpret 'vain imaginations' for me/us? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 18, 2005 17:33 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregen

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-19 Thread Lance Muir
: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles Once more you run right over the top of me JD; you don't respect me as a person or as another believer in Christ with a different take on just about everything. I would rather you disagree rationally stating why you

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-19 Thread Lance Muir
Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 18, 2005 12:32 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles Lance I cannot defend or denounce Calvin, as I am not that familiar with him. So far as I c

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-19 Thread Judy Taylor
After sitting in the pew for a year and a half I know enough about him and as a matter of fact I like him but we won't be going anywhere other than more bricks and mortar and more ss rooms.. On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 06:42:59 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it not possible,

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-19 Thread Judy Taylor
Foolish, empty, profitless imaginations, the kind that should be cast down. On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 06:32:20 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Will you kindly interpret 'vain imaginations' for me/us? From: Judy Taylor Unlike some - I don't entertain vain

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-19 Thread Judy Taylor
No, I figure God is able to keep us and our son is doing his own homework which is more than many. The missionary girl (just spent 7yrs in Ukraine) that just moved into an Apt with our youngest girl was raised in what they call the Reformed faith and has never questioned it. Many pew sitters

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-19 Thread Judy Taylor
No JD is not correct on this one Lance. James and John were not scholars, neither were the Bereans. John was arrested along with Peter and brought before the High Priest (educated) in Jerusalem because they were acting like Street Preachers . and "Now when they (the educated and

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-19 Thread Lance Muir
!! - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 19, 2005 08:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles No, I figure God is able to keep us a

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-19 Thread Judy Taylor
By charismatic I mean charming and he is "educated". I've not met any Reformed ppl who areinto spiritual giftings but we get a lot of ppl from Regent University who drive 45 minutes to come out here which tells me there is a dearth at VA Beach also. This fellow is OK for historical

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-19 Thread Judy Taylor
They are not his ideas Lance, Do you sell a Westminster Catechism at your Bookstore? You will find them in there if you have time to look up all the scriptures and fine print. This should keep you busy for a while. On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 06:21:31 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-19 Thread Lance Muir
Sent: December 19, 2005 08:38 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles They are not his ideas Lance, Do you sell a Westminster Catechism at your Bookstore? You will find them in there if you have time to look up all the scriptures and

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-19 Thread Lance Muir
Isn't RU a 'charismatic' U? Maybe those who drive 45 min see what you cannot! - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 19, 2005 08:34 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-19 Thread Judy Taylor
Apparently you wear "J Finis Dake" eyeglasses when reading my posts Lance Makes sense. Do you sell his Bible also and check what I write with his notes? If so you are in even worse shape than what I had thought because I don't teach him and seldom refer to his lists these days. Whereas

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-19 Thread Judy Taylor
Sent: December 19, 2005 08:34 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles By charismatic I mean charming and he is "educated". I've not met any Reformed ppl who areinto spiritual giftings but we get a lot of

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-19 Thread Lance Muir
Sent: December 19, 2005 09:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles You keep wanting to card file everyone and everything Lance. Pat Robertson is charismatic - yes but that is not to say that everyone at Regent University believe

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-19 Thread Judy Taylor
There is some weird charismania out there also that borders on the occult which is why a lot of the 'once Spirit led' groups in this area are not as they once were... SoI will neither accept or reject your claim. I personally believe there is a real but most of what we have been subject to

RE: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
This, coming from Lance??? Amazing, isnt it? iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:27 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles How

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread ttxpress
..is it better for a Christian to read the Bible or leave it on the shelf? On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:36:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..mercy me (the same question again,Bro--but did you ever wonder how much error actually qualifies Bible readers as trulyChristian? :) ||

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread ttxpress
..it doesn't matter as long as its the KJV? On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:36:33 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..is it better for a Christian to read the Bible or leave it on the shelf? On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:36:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..mercy me (the same

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
Why wouldn't a believer believe it? It is demonstrated right in the NT scriptures and it's called the Baptism of Jesus. On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:00:30 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CPL, Are [Bible] readers whobelieve that JC taught that encouraging the baptism of the HS for the

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
Sure they do, they camp around John Calvin don't they? Why do you think there are so many different doctrines all claiming to be the truth? On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:11:04 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..do Bible readers 'camp' around theological error in your neck of the woods?

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Lance Muir
of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles Why wouldn't a believer believe it? It is demonstrated right in the NT scriptures and it's called the Baptism of Jesus. On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:00:30 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CPL, Are [Bible] readers whobelieve that

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
You might call them "orthodox unbelievers" who follow the doctrines of men rather than the WOG On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:20:48 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..if so, (we know they ain't classic Protestants, but :)are they Christians? On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:11:04 -0700 [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Lance Muir
Sent: December 18, 2005 06:48 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles Sure they do, they camp around John Calvin don't they? Why do you think there are so many different doctrines all claiming to be the truth? On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:1

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
I do Lance, this is why I try to stick with scripture -in spite of your belief that all I have isregard for same. Oh well, guess the Promise does not mean as much to you. On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:07:08 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: With apologies (sort of) in advance to

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
You will have to ask Jesus. He is the one who gives the condition which is abiding in His Word. Those who don't abide become dead branches - which are cut off and burned. His is the std. On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:36:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..mercy me (the same question

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
Would Calvinistic heresay be acceptable Lance? Where did the doctrine called Calvinism come from if not from him? What should we call doctrine taken from his institutes and taught in our 20th Century Churches? Can I call it teachings of Calvin that Lance calls hearsay? On Sun, 18 Dec 2005

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Lance Muir
that you've conducted with John Calvin. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 18, 2005 07:29 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles Would C

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Lance Muir
Judy qualifies, IMO. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 18, 2005 07:17 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles You will h

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
It is all over the scriptures Lance - Promised in the OT and received in the NT John baptized and his baptism was one of repentance Luke 3:3 But Johnspoke of the baptism of Jesus Luke 12:50 Jesus spoke of it Himself ... Matt 3:11 It is reinterated in Acts 1:5 Receivedduring Passover

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Lance Muir
: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 18, 2005 08:53 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles It is all over the scriptures Lance - Promised in the OT and received in the

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
I wonder if the Bereans had done any reading of primary source material when they examined what Paul preached. Also the apostle John, I wonder if he had read source materialwhen he exhorted 1st Century Christians not to even wish a false teacher "godspeed" for if they did they would be a

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
Here we go again .. Now you are going to negate the whole teaching having to do with Jesus' baptism in the Holy Spirit over this "incarnational" thing along with the Nicean teaching about "trinity" - If it is a baptism of repentance then I am sure the Lord understands. What did Philip

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Lance Muir
@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 18, 2005 09:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles I wonder if the Bereans had done any reading of primary source material when they examined what Paul preached. Also the apostle John, I wonder if he had r

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
I have yet to hurl anepithet anywhere Lance. My objectionto Calvinism is for some very specific reasons with or without "firsthand knowledge or intricate and specific detail" about Calvin the man.His teachings are enough. I will leave the man to God. I have no desire to be an expert on

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Lance Muir
: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 18, 2005 09:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles I have yet to hurl anepithet anywhere Lance. My objectionto Calvinism is for

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
Are both Linda and DavidM IYO Calvinists Lance? Maybe it is not forthcoming because they are willing to allow someone to hold an opinion that is different from their own which is something your mentors could not abide and so it seems neither can you. On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:26:02 -0500

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Lance Muir
Oh yaa...wellsputter...sputter...ya gots me! - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 18, 2005 09:34 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate"

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/18/2005 9:22:08 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles I have yet to hurl anepithet anywhere Lance. My objectionto

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
Hi Dean: Thanks for your response and please pray for me. I am in a Reformed Church right now ONLY to encourage our son and DIL who want to raise our grandson in Church but the more I learn about it the worse it becomes. Our Pastor is smart, charismatic, and has been to three different Bible

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
Oh well, guess the Promise does not mean as much to you. It is this constant bit ofjudging that renders your influence nil. To speak as if you know anything at all about Lance and his attachment to the "promise" is not just misinformed -- it is a cheap ad hom . And be sure to respond with

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
Maybe you should ask your Calvinist pastor? -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would Calvinistic heresay be acceptable Lance? Where did the doctrine called Calvinism come from if not from him? What should we call doctrine taken from his

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
that belief alone determines whether or not one is a Christian.. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:00:30 -0700 CPL, Are [Bible] readers who

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
point. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:11:04 -0700 ..do Bible readers 'camp' around theological error in your neck of the woods

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:16:04 -0700 ..while they (we know they:) ain't Protestants, are they Christians? On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:11:04 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..do

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
If they were, they would be ex-them. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:20:48 -0700 ..if so, (we know they ain't classic Protestants

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
I qualified that in a previous post. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:36:23 -0700 ..mercy me (the same question again,Bro--but did you

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
If you are still addressing me, Gary, it is absolutely better to read it. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:36:33 -0700

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/18/2005 9:22:08 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles I have yet to hurl anepithet anywhere Lance. My o

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
Your pastors name? Sounds as though he has it going on ! jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Dean: Thanks for your response and please pray for me. I am in a Reformed Church right now ONLY to encourage our son and DIL who want to

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
translations, and even using a greek dictionary at times to resolve disagreements, can help to understand difficult passages. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles Date: Sun

RE: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
Taylor Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 8:34 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles Are both Linda and DavidM IYO Calvinists Lance? Maybe it is not forthcoming because they are willing to allow

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:52:31 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh well, guess the Promise does not mean as much to you. It is this constant bit ofjudging that renders your influence nil. Bit of judging? I am just reflecting back to Lance what he has already written to

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:25:51 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes to Dean: Amen Judy ? Get a life. You are one insulting somebody JD. Judy writes as if she knows the reading habits of the Bereans or the Apostle John.Since John is so obviously writing to those who are not of

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
He does JD and if he left almost the whole church would go with him. It is definitely "he" who has it "going on" rather thanthe Lord. You would like him. You could laugh at all his jokes appreciate all the books he has read and cites in his sermons and join his pastorlyfollowing especially

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:52:31 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh well, guess the Promise does not mean as much to you. It is this constant bit ofjudging that renders your influence nil. Bit of judging? I

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
Yes, he sounds like a wonderful pastor. And I bet that God has much more to do with his life that you could (obviously) imagine. Whose next on your list -- the BSF?? -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] He does JD and if he left almost the whole

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
Unlike some - I don't entertain vain imaginations JD - On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:49:25 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, he sounds like a wonderful pastor. And I bet that God has much more to do with his life that you could (obviously) imagine. Whose next on your list -- the

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:45:28 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: absolute nonsense. We are told to oppose the false teacher, correct? This implies that we can make judgments as to whether one understands or not. You do it[judgeother's understandingin regard to thewritten word] all the time --

[TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
JD Lance's savior writes: Where has Lance ever judged your faith in God and Christ, your commitment to scripture, your claim to salvation , or your practice of the faith? NOWHERE. You , on the other, make such sommits a way of life. The following JD is a judgment; Lances judgment with

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
Oh of course you do. This very response proves it !! :-) jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unlike some - I don't entertain vain imaginations JD - On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:49:25 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, he sounds like a wonderful

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
Once more you run right over the top of me JD; you don't respect me as a person or as another believer in Christ with a different take on just about everything. I would rather you disagree rationally stating why you don't see it the same as me. Your response is offensive just as offensive as

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
what you and the others write is very complicated and at times Look, so you don't careabout my writing style. That post I did most recently - about creation and the redemptive nature of God (?) I am telling you things would be happier for you if you take something like -- or one of Bill's

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/18/2005 10:00:01 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles Hi Dean: Thanks for your response and please pray fo

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 12/17/2005 12:41:17 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you manipulate it too, as clearly proven On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:28:17 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || I quote..scripture as written in the KJV Bible I

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Blainerb473
Note please, disagreement on the meaning of Matt 7-11? More Christian disagreement? Blainerb :) In a message dated 12/17/2005 4:25:33 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Read what I said again JD and stop putting words in my mouth I was not interpreting Matt

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread ttxpress
no myth in this--that you supremely regard only your empty-headed regard for it is accurate; evidence shows that no one who really loves JC demonstrates the accute disdain for (his) ppl that ppl like you exhibit On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:14:48 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
A second post with the same theme. Unity of thought on a large scale only exists in the presense of some type of tyranny or imposed authority. The fact that the Mormon church does not allow for such is not an advantage to my way of thinking. The fact that the Mormon religion does not agree with

[TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-17 Thread Judy Taylor
Since ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God These should put to rest whether or not unregenerates have God's Law written on their hearts (in them) and whetherit is possible for them to do "by nature" the things that are written in God's Law as per Rom 2:14,15 Paul writes tothe

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-17 Thread ttxpress
here you prove you are given to radically manipulatingAuthority in more ways than one; here you clearlyenforceyour own dualisticdouble standard mouthingtruthgiven to biblical saintsas platitudes fromreligious republicanism which equatesthe reign ofChrist to enforcing therule of elitist

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-17 Thread Judy Taylor
Dualistic nothing and manipulating nothing Gary; I quoted scripture as written in the KJV Bible If you have a dispute about it - it is not with me. If you can not receive it - this is your problem not mine.. Not everyone is able to receive sound doctrine and Ephesians 4:17-20 as is - is

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-17 Thread ttxpress
you manipulate it too, as clearly proven On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:28:17 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || I quote..scripture as written in the KJV Bible

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-17 Thread Judy Taylor
Where and how? Evidence please? Your ongoing consistent accusations are a bit old Gary; you need to give a foundation for these accusations. So show me how this scripture is manipulated and evidence that this is clearly proven. On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:38:49 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-17 Thread knpraise
Your view that Mattt 7:11 is talking about the reception of the baptism of the Holy spirit is the most recent case in point. jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where and how? Evidence please? Your ongoing consistent accusations are a bit old

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-17 Thread Judy Taylor
Have no idea or frame of reference as to what you are talking about Best drift back off into Dylan land. Sorry to have disturbed you, if briefly On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:20:52 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: prop up your bi-focals, M'am--it's all there--recently, too and,

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-17 Thread Judy Taylor
Read what I said again JD and stop putting words in my mouth I was not interpreting Matt 7:11 to mean this; I merely said that ppl in churches that believe in the spiritual gifts use this verse to encourage people to seek the baptism in the Holy Spirit. This is not my view, it is theirs...

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-17 Thread ttxpress
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:22:31 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dylan land..where 'the whip that's keeping you in line doesn't make him jump,Say he's hard-of-hearin', say that he's a chump, he's out of step with reality as you try to test his nerve because he doesn't

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-17 Thread knpraise
You are not being honest, here. This is the specific exchange: You are reaching, here. What is the difference to Judy between good works and "normal christianity." Is the giving of good gifts something we do (ala Matt 7:11). jd Matt 7:11 is a scripture that is used to encourage people to seek

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-17 Thread knpraise
moved to hard copy and saved to my journal. Excellent stuff. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:22:31 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dylan land..where 'the whip that's keeping you in line doesn't make him jump,Say

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-17 Thread Judy Taylor
I see it as a statement rather than an argument. In churches I have been in Matt 7:11 is used this way. On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:42:54 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are not being honest, here. This is the specific exchange: You are reaching, here. What is the difference

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-17 Thread Judy Taylor
Really JD?? So is your journal full of gibberish or is this the exception? On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:50:16 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: moved to hard copy and saved to my journal. Excellent stuff. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:22:31

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-17 Thread knpraise
Take a pill, Judy. Near as I can figure, you either don't like Dylan or you can't sing. My journal is acompilation of those things spoken or written that effected me, emotionally. They are statements that struck me as powerful. I have found that when I need a "pick me up," I can sit down and read

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-17 Thread knpraise
I wrote a post outlining several differences between Mormonism and Christianity - today. Did that post? it didn't come to me and comcast does not save what was written. Could someone please send it back to me. Thanks jd

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-17 Thread ttxpress
CPL, Are [Bible] readers whobelieve that JC taught that encouraging the baptism of the HS for the already converted'sums up the Law and Prophets' Christian/s? On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:01:39 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || Matt 7:11 is a scripture that is used to

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-17 Thread ttxpress
..do Bible readers 'camp' around theological error in your neck of the woods? On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:00:30 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CPL, Are [Bible] readers whobelieve that JC taught that encouraging the baptism of the HS for the already converted'sums up the Law and Prophets'

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-17 Thread ttxpress
..while they (we know they:) ain't Protestants, are they Christians? On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:11:04 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..do Bible readers 'camp' around theological error in your neck of the woods? On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:00:30 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-17 Thread ttxpress
..if so, (we know they ain't classic Protestants, but :)are they Christians? On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:11:04 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..do Bible readers 'camp' around theological error in your neck of the woods? On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:00:30 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-17 Thread ttxpress
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:16:04 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..while they (we know they:) ain't Protestants, are they Christians? On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:11:04 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..do Bible readers 'camp' around theological error in your neck of the

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-17 Thread ttxpress
..mercy me (the same question again,Bro--but did you ever wonder how much error actually qualifies Bible readers as trulyChristian? :) On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:25:36 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:16:04 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..while they

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-17 Thread ttxpress
..jt says they go to church On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:36:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || CPL, Are [Bible] readers whobelieve that JC taught that encouraging the baptism of the HS for the already converted'sums up the Law and