Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/20/2005 6:55:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Donât worry JD, we realize you have bigger problems. J Don't be so hard on yourself. 

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-20 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:14:42 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 1/20/2005 2:43:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Why not explain the interaction below to me in a patient and lucid manner as a pastor, bishop, beloved Why  --  because you miss t

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:20 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything   In a message dated 1/20/2005 6:17

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/20/2005 6:17:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When you getting your eye-underderstanding coordination I am wondering if some critics will attack me based on this coordination problem.  Let's wait and see. J

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/20/2005 2:43:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not explain the interaction below to me in a patient and lucid manner as a pastor, bishop, beloved Why  --  because you miss the point perhaps 80% of the time.  Your bias covers your eys well before you

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
And angels are called stars? J Iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 5:41 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology   Could it not be symbolism...and

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-20 Thread Slade Henson
: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology Could be one and the same; maybe not. Just seems where there’s symbolism (dragon), there could be more. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-19 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: No John, apparently I don't have a clue what you were talking about but no point in being the voice of the accuser and getting your knickers in a knot.    Why not explain the interaction below to me in a patient and lucid manner as a pastor, bishop, beloved etc. or even a normal vanill

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/19/2005 8:45:32 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: don't have any "teachings" that are my own John; my goal is to agree with the "Teacher" so I can receive and walk in His doctrine with those who are likeminded. So if you call that "stupid" then that is betw

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/19/2005 6:15:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a myth wiz, too, eh? oh, you betcha !!    I do much better with criticism from friends than enemies. J

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-19 Thread ttxpress
a myth wiz, too, eh?   On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:09:34 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 1/19/2005 4:57:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a math wiz, eh:)  On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:08:19 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ||.. I count only four co

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/19/2005 4:57:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a math wiz, eh:)   On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:08:19 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || .. I count only four contributors on this forum who apprently can't comply.  4 out of 14 contributors.. Alright!!   I'v

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-19 Thread ttxpress
a math wiz, eh:)   On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:08:19 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || .. I count only four contributors on this forum who apprently can't comply.  4 out of 14 contributors.. ||

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-19 Thread ttxpress
that's the seventh spiritual life of the cat (seven is the perfect number)   On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:00:36 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || [the] squeal without the pig thingy may work after all   --   that is if you don't give a care about the person you criticize.   

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-19 Thread ttxpress
myth (they're all your own acc to your own falsifications)   On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:20:12 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I don't have any "teachings" of my own ||

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
  In a message dated 1/18/2005 4:06:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To call that ad hominem is straining at gnats IMO.  She did not call him any ugly names.  She is criticizing a theology not a person. Izzy (Since you asked.) So, if I said that her theology wa

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
riginal Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 23.16 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology Hint: “Stars” = “Angels”?   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAI

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-19 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:20:12 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I don't have any "teachings" that are my own John; my goal is to agree with the "Teacher" so I can receive and walk in His doctrine with those who are likeminded. So if you call that "stupid" then that

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-19 Thread Judy Taylor
I don't have any "teachings" of my own John; my goal is to agree with the "Teacher" and receive and walk in His doctrine. If you call that "stupid" then that is between you and the Lord. I would try not to take it to heart but it would not be conducive to any kind of fellowship because you wo

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/19/2005 6:41:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not?  We should be able to be Berean here which is to compare different teachings alongside the Word of God How does one insult a teaching it is either true or false and if false it needs to be brought to

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/19/2005 6:41:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:08:19 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about just discussing the validity of the teaching in question?   You can't do that without insulting the person or the teaching itself? jt:

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-19 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:08:19 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about just discussing the validity of the teaching in question?   You can't do that without insulting the person or the teaching itself?   jt: Why not?  We should be able to be Berean here which is to compare different teach

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/18/2005 5:10:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:     It is my opinion - that this moderation thing is getting too oppressive.  When

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/18/2005 4:06:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To call that ad hominem is straining at gnats IMO.  She did not call him any ugly names.  She is criticizing a theology not a person. Izzy (Since you asked.) So, if I said that her theology was thoughtless,

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson
LOL! That was hysterical   Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jeff PowersSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 16.37To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-19 Thread Slade Henson
ED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 23.16To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology Hint: “Stars” = “Angels”?   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade HensonSent: T

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-19 Thread Lance Muir
es'). - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 18, 2005 20:06 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything It is my opinion - that t

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread ttxpress
conversationally, perhaps Pastor S had a reason for sounding pessimistic; e.g.:   [1.] other posts prove this is not possible; can it be 'ok' while it's false?   [2.] the denial contains the ban, a contradiction which means in part that your readers can understand some things..e.g., exclu

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
Hint: “Stars” = “Angels”?   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:24 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology   I said literally STARS.   Who

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BLAINE: Aah! At last, the facts! Good Job! Thank you mucho, DavidM!! Taking the passage in context, however, I can still see why the KJV might have translated the word (espouranios) differently than in most other contexts. Paul does seem to be discssing governmental high places otherwise. M

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Judy Taylor
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:03:48 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ad hominem?   the hair splitting distinctions you resort to elicit serious critiques of your sup/posed dichotomies in (e.g.) wisdom, sin, and resurrection..mismanaged Bib language yields cult lang/logic persuasive

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread ttxpress
if you don't want moderation here, why are you tryg to entrench a post in moderatorese: 'ad hominem'?     On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:03:48 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ad hominem?   the hair splitting distinctions you resort to elicit serious critiques of your sup/posed dichoto

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread ttxpress
ad hominem?   the hair splitting distinctions you resort to elicit serious critiques of your sup/posed dichotomies in (e.g.) wisdom, sin, and resurrection..mismanaged Bib language yields cult lang/logic persuasive for certain 'peasants' who'd be reasong at '~8th gr level'--that's not a cri

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson
orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything It is my opinion - that this moderation thing is getting too oppressive.  When it becomes impossible to dialogue with another person without constant nit picking abo

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Jeff Powers
armourselves with the most potent of weapons.That weapon is prayer.--Rebbe Nachman of Breslov - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 18:40 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Ch

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson
] Traditional Christian theology   Thought you all might find this interesting...I like to go to literal, word for word translations. I have found it helps alot... Quoted from The Orthodox Jewish Brit Chadasha:   Hisgalus (The

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Judy Taylor
d. I am, by inference, saying the same thing of every believer/non-believer in the cosmos.   From: Judy Taylor   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Judy Taylor
ed. I am, by inference, saying the same thing of every believer/non-believer in the cosmos.   From: Judy Taylor   Subject:

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread ttxpress
what are your resurrections?    On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:36:13 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Not referring to that resurrection ||

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything   Is this considered an ad hominem? "My belief is that you are in a time warp, stuck in your cosmic incarnation while DavidM, myself and others have moved on to the resurrectio

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread David Miller
Slade wrote: > Is this considered an ad hominem? "My > belief is that you are in a time warp, stuck > in your cosmic incarnation while DavidM, > myself and others have moved on to the > resurrection" Or do we allow the lawyers > say, "it is not an ad hominem because Judy > used the term "My belief

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread David Miller
Jeff wrote: > Does that mean that you David Miller are sinless? No. It means that I do not consciously, actively, sin daily in thought, word and deed. On second thought, define sinless. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, th

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Judy Taylor
Not referring to that resurrection 'G' - You will need to get them straight before making myth pronouncement.   On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:15:30 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth [the NT res is not a cultic evnt; everyone will re resurrectd inc Lance:)]   On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:59:3

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread ttxpress
myth [the NT res is not a cultic evnt; everyone will re resurrectd inc Lance:)]   On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:59:37 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DavidM, myself and others have moved on to the resurrection.

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread ttxpress
there's a post or two in play alludg to at least two categories of wisdom..perhaps a semineognostic force is at work in a virtual cult environment?   On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:34:58 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ..[re: certain ppl] in possession of an 'objective truth' tha

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson
f is?"     -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 08.00To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian t

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Jeff Powers
er.--Rebbe Nachman of Breslov - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 11:09 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything In a message dated 1/18/2005

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Jeff Powers
Does that mean that you David Miller are sinless? - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 9:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything Lance wrote: IFF David is 

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Judy Taylor
ly know what he believed about holiness.   thanks,   Lance     - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 18, 2005 07:59 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theo

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-18 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/18/2005 8:54:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do no fear God.   I AM saved.   See the connections? JD ===     Do you ever fear that you will disappoint him?  D

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
John, are you saying that you think a “mature” Believer does not fear God in the Biblical sense? I believe that we all either walk in the fear of God OR in the fear of Man.  The former leads to righteousness; the latter leads to sin.  How do you see it? Izzy I do no fear God.   I AM sa

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Lance Muir
Sent: January 18, 2005 11:58 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything Hahaha...I found that funny. Actually, I've heard of the "Sinless Doctrine"from C. Barr and Daniel Lee.   Run, JohnRUN!   K -

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-18 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/18/2005 8:54:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do no fear God.   I AM saved.   See the connections? JD ===     Do you ever fear that you will disappoint him?  Do you ever fear that you could do something to incur Hi

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson
2005 11.09To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anythingIn a message dated 1/18/2005 5:20:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 3b. If you (you also David) are testifying to this in your life then

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-18 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/18/2005 6:47:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, are you saying that you think a âmatureâ Believer does not fear God in the Biblical sense? I believe that we all either walk in the fear of God OR in the fea

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/18/2005 5:20:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 3b. If you (you also David) are testifying to this in your life then, please say so without ambiguity. Yes.   That is all I am getting at.    I thought it was clear until  David sent that post talking about

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/18/2005 8:04:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry, John.  Some misunderstanding here.  In this particular context, I interpret "battle with sin" as being the struggle one experiences when they are tempted to sin.  A battle can be either won or lost.

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-18 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/18/2005 6:47:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, are you saying that you think a âmatureâ Believer does not fear God in the Biblical sense? I believe that we all either walk in the fear of God OR in the fear of Man.  The former leads to righteousness

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread David Miller
John wrote: > I don't like it when I am talking about one > thing "sin" and you speak of soemthing > entirely different "temptation." I do not > like that at all. Sorry, John. Some misunderstanding here. In this particular context, I interpret "battle with sin" as being the struggle one exp

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/18/2005 5:02:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: others have moved on to the resurrection.  It is the power that emanates from the resurrection that enables a believer to be free from sin past, the power of sin present, and the future consequence for sin.  T

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Knpraise
If you think I want David to make clear what is clear to me  --  well, then, call it any of your favorite little names.   Either he believes that he is a sinner [with current sin problems as opposed to temptation problems] or he doesn't.   Since you are the one who challenged this (my assertion

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Lance Muir
So, you also read David as claiming sinlessness in word, deed and thought? That being the case, you make a good point, Terry. - Original Message - From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: January 18, 2005 08:44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
== We could all chip in and hire someone to follow David around until they catch him sinning, but if he doesn't sin then we might all go broke. Probably better (and cheaper) to take him at his word .  Taking him at his word costs nothing. T

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Terry Clifton
age - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: January 18, 2005 09:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything Lance wrote: IFF David is 'one of us' then, he consciously, actively, sins daily in thought, word and

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Lance wrote: > IFF David is 'one of us' then, he consciously, > actively, sins daily in thought, word and deed.   Then I guess I am not one of you.   Peace be with you. Davi

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Lance Muir
uot;David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: January 18, 2005 09:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything > Lance wrote: > > IFF David is 'one of us' then, he consciously, > > actively, sins daily in thought, wor

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
I enjoy God's Word - and learning the fear of the Lord is profitable all around: The fear of the Lord is a fountain of life Prov 14:27 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom Prov 9:10 The fear of the Lord will prolong your days Prov 10:27 The fear of the Lord is to hate evil Prov 8

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
  Thought you all might find this interesting...I like to go to literal, word for word translations. I have found it helps alot... Quoted from The Orthodox Jewish Brit Chadasha:   Hisgalus (The Revelation) Perek Yod Beit (Chapter 12) v. 4   And the tail of him

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
That is the point in contention—is it not? Izzy     5. IMO, IFF David is 'one of us' then, he consciously, actively, sins daily in thought, word and deed. I am, by inference, saying the same thing of every believer/non-believer in the cosmos.  

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: > IFF David is 'one of us' then, he consciously, > actively, sins daily in thought, word and deed. Then I guess I am not one of you. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer eve

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Lance Muir
Sent: January 18, 2005 07:59 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything FWIW Lance,  My belief is that you are in a time warp, stuck in your cosmic incarnation while DavidM, myself and others have moved on to the resurrection.  It is the p

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Judy Taylor
e of us' then, he consciously, actively, sins daily in thought, word and deed. I am, by inference, saying the same thing of every believer/non-believer in the cosmos.   From: Judy Taylor   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Tr

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Lance Muir
ge - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 18, 2005 07:22 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything Thank you for those thoughts Lance. I use "from what

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-18 Thread Slade Henson
  Thought you all might find this interesting...I like to go to literal, word for word translations. I have found it helps alot... Quoted from The Orthodox Jewish Brit Chadasha:   Hisgalus (The Revelation) Perek Yod Beit (Chapter 12) v. 4   And the tail of him drags down a

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Judy Taylor
I am, by inference, saying the same thing of every believer/non-believer in the cosmos.   From: Judy Taylor   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything John, some people are able to separate themselves. From wh

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Lance Muir
s' then, he consciously, actively, sins daily in thought, word and deed. I am, by inference, saying the same thing of every believer/non-believer in the cosmos. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglo

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-18 Thread Judy Taylor
John, some people are able to separate themselves. From what I understand David to say he still gets around in a flesh body and he has the same opportunity to sin every day as the rest of us both physically and emotionally.  Are you baiting him?  Is this some kind of public humiliation?  

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-18 Thread Judy Taylor
We don't want this fear cast out, this is the only kind of fear that is acceptable with God. It is the kind that brings blessing rather than torment.  Perfect love casts out the kind of fear that is accompanied by torment. All kinds of phobias, nightmares etc.   On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:50:36 E

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-18 Thread Judy Taylor
Hearsay, hearsay, hearsay beware!!   On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:51:58 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 1/17/2005 2:19:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: yet the theory of it you embrac/d, publically, is Wesley's view  On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:1

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-17 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/17/2005 2:19:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: yet the theory of it you embrac/d, publically, is Wesley's view   On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:11:44 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I enjoy God's Word .. This is Judy's way of saying "yes"  G. 

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-17 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/17/2005 2:14:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I enjoy God's Word - and learning the fear of the Lord is profitable all around: The fear of the Lord is a fountain of life Prov 14:27 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom Prov 9:10 The fear of

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-17 Thread Knpraise
I don't know why I have to choke this out of David, when his postings have been very clear on the subject to everyone except Judy.  Here is the question and we can start the discussion from this: David Miller,.  do you have sin in your life to any degree?   Consider sins of omission (knowing

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology -- does sham mean anything

2005-01-17 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/17/2005 1:29:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy wrote: >>When did DavidM say his battle with sin >>was over when he received the indwelling >>Spirit? John wrote: >OK  --  let's confirm. >What about this David? She is correct.  I continue to battle w

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-17 Thread ttxpress
what does this mean?   On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:22:50 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: So far as I can tell there are not several options available. It says what it says.   On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:17:15 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: yet the theory of it you

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-17 Thread Judy Taylor
So far as I can tell there are not several options available. It says what it says.   On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:17:15 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: yet the theory of it you embrac/d, publically, is Wesley's view   On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:11:44 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-17 Thread ttxpress
yet the theory of it you embrac/d, publically, is Wesley's view   On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:11:44 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I enjoy God's Word ..

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-17 Thread Judy Taylor
I enjoy God's Word - and learning the fear of the Lord is profitable all around: The fear of the Lord is a fountain of life Prov 14:27 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom Prov 9:10 The fear of the Lord will prolong your days Prov 10:27 The fear of the Lord is to hate evil Prov 8:

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-17 Thread ttxpress
but you enjoy John Wesley, eh?   On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:53:45 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. 

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-17 Thread Judy Taylor
And like the young (and at times old) believer is not overburdened with it.  The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.  Not much fear evidenced here. Not much respect for listowner or moderators.  Lots of immature grumbling and complaining.  Fear of God is learned behavior.  jt     On

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-17 Thread ttxpress
myth (like wisdom is wisdom, sin is sin)   On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:28:09 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>..the young believer, although he does not sin, has inner struggles which the mature believer does not..  

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-17 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: >> When did DavidM say his battle with sin >> was over when he received the indwelling >> Spirit? John wrote: > OK -- let's confirm. > What about this David? She is correct. I continue to battle with the temptation to sin. I will say that I do not have the inner struggle describe

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-17 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: > Why then the need for 2, count 'em > two, Moderators? Because I have too much bias and too many blind spots to do it alone. Plural leadership helps us be more fair to everyone. I take it you are not Presbyterian or Church of Christ. LOL. Peace be with you. David Miller.

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-17 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/17/2005 8:00:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When did DavidM say his battle with sin was over when he received the indwelling Spirit? OK  --  let's confirm.   What about this David? J

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-17 Thread ShieldsFamily
Balance, Lance, balance. (Or would you like to be a third?) Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 4:42 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology On

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-17 Thread ShieldsFamily
G is no prophet, JD.    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 1:04 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology   Hey Gary. Some advice I need

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-17 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:46:17 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A wonderful non-answer.  What specifically makes the difference between you being 5years old and eventually 15 ?   I can figure out the "growth" part.    What is lacking in your life that relegates you to this ea

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-17 Thread ShieldsFamily
hTalk] Traditional Christian theology John wrote: > Two things: (1) You didn't answer any of > my questions and I don't see the point in your questions, so I did not take the time to answer them. I wrote what I thought was more relevant to conveying an understanding to you

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-17 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/17/2005 1:52:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John wrote: >(2) how is it that you are like Jesus at [His] >age 5?  How is this possible with the Holy >Spirit teaching you propose.   Is the Holy >Spirit slow to act?   Why not, BAM,  there >you are?  I mean

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-17 Thread Lance Muir
On COMPARING: Why then the need for 2, count 'em two, Moderators? - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: January 17, 2005 00:23 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology > John wrote: > > Two things:

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-17 Thread Jeff Powers
"The Song Remains The Same"  Led Zeppelin   - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 2:04 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology Hey Gary.Some advice I need   - 

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