On Tue, 2011-05-17 at 10:40 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote:
hey Ralf... the offical IRC channels are logged at
http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ if you would like to browse through them.
the reason i suggest the IRC is that an exchange such as the one you
and I have had for the past week or so could be
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote:
On Tue, 2011-05-17 at 10:40 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote:
hey Ralf... the offical IRC channels are logged at
http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ if you would like to browse through them.
the reason i suggest the IRC is
On Fri, 2011-05-20 at 11:00 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote:
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Tue, 2011-05-17 at 10:40 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote:
hey Ralf... the offical IRC channels are logged at
You're making the right decision with XFCE. I ran Unity for several
weeks on both desktop and laptop, and finally ended up rolling back to
Maverick. I found Unity's workflow cumbersome even for regular desktop
work, and it's a bugfest as well.
I did not even try - saw it on a colleagues computer
Am Tue, 17 May 2011 00:53:52 +0200
schrieb Robert Klaar nim.b...@gmail.com:
Well, either way the system seems to go towards a more OSX like feeling,
however I can't help but like the inovative style of Gnome 3, atm. I'm
running 10.10 with cairodock
Sorry if I'm confused ... are you using
Sorry if I got a bit confusing, I've been trying both out at my laptop, I
would probably guess though that for the next version they will leave Unity
for Gnome 3, that's the impression i get from the forums aso.
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Thomas Orgis thomas-fo...@orgis.orgwrote:
Am Tue,
On Tue, 2011-05-17 at 00:23 +0200, Robert Klaar wrote:
Many artists/producers DO use mac's and wouldn't this open up for a
larger group of potential users?
iTux? I guess you'll get Windows and MacOs themes for many Linux DEs.
Hm? Many people don't know that it's also possible to customize even
On Tue, 2011-05-17 at 00:53 +0200, Robert Klaar wrote:
And that being said, I think we ARE trying to attract the same people
as apple do, and that might be something we can learn from wether we
like it or not.
No, iCommercial first was for elitists and since some years, it's for
the
On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 13:36 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote:
we, as a community (especially the ubuntustudio community) need to
adopt an attitude 'if its broke, fix it'. there are simple things that
you and i as non-technical users can do such as documentation, wiki
updating, advocacy
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Robert Klaar nim.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, either way you risk loosing supporters but in my opinion it's much
worse to risk being outdated than getting a bit of disruption for some
time(and I can't see how this can get so disruptive to a serious
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Ralf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
Ok, I'm already doing this kind of things. I don't like chats, I'm not
subscribed to any chat. The mailing-list should be ok too ;).
Ralf
hey Ralf... the offical IRC channels are logged at
http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ if
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 07:05:22AM -0500, Scott Lavender wrote:
[1] http://labor-liber.org/images/linux/xfce.jpg
Sorry for not adding any information to the thread, but that is a gorgeous
desktop! DAMN!
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On 05/17/2011 08:17 AM, Janne Jokitalo wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 07:05:22AM -0500, Scott Lavender wrote:
[1] http://labor-liber.org/images/linux/xfce.jpg
Sorry for not adding any information to the thread, but that is a gorgeous
desktop! DAMN!
+1 on the XFCE desktop. I have used XFCE
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Scott Lavender scottalaven...@gmail.comwrote:
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Robert Klaar nim.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, either way you risk loosing supporters but in my opinion it's much
worse to risk being outdated than getting a bit of disruption
join
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Robert Klaar nim.b...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Scott Lavender scottalaven...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Robert Klaar nim.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, either way you risk loosing supporters but in my
On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 15:46 -0400, Michael Dickson wrote:
On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 13:17 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote:
check out gnome3 here http://www.gnome3.org/tryit.html and see what
you think. assuming gnome3 is an acceptable DE for ubuntustudio, it
cannot be disputed that it is a
On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 19:41 +0200, Robert Klaar wrote:
If there is one thing I've learned in these years using linux is to go
with the mainstream and use what people use most, not doing so might
land you in a position where something as basic, for a musician, as
getting your soundcard to
Am Sun, 15 May 2011 15:46:50 -0400
schrieb Michael Dickson mike.dick...@rivendellnh.com:
I believe Ubuntu Studio should track
the default Ubuntu desktop for the release track its on.
I have thoughts in the same direction, but regarding change from default, I
got a perhaps more narrow view,
On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 17:12 +0200, Ralf wrote:
On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 10:24 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote:
Ralph, im going to assume a question here. that question would be...
will the ubuntustudio metapackages *require* XFCE?
theres one metapackage right now called ubuntustudio-desktop. that
On , Ralf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 17:12 +0200, Ralf wrote:
On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 10:24 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote:
Ralph, im going to assume a question here. that question would be...
will the ubuntustudio metapackages *require* XFCE?
theres
I don't know if this helps but I first tried xfce at Mint 5. To be honest,
the only difference I really noticed was that it was faster than gnome.
Otherwise - apart from the xfce logo, there seemed little or no discernable
difference. I had an old machine back then and so my only thought is that
Hi Scott,
Your opinions are noted and they are valid. I never claimed that XFCE was no
good - just that I had never used it and there were probably good reasons
why it was second best to Gnome2. Having said that considering the fact that
going forward there is a need for a new desktop to be
For those who hd wanted to try compatibility mode in Gnome3. It's in:
System Settings-System Info-Graphics
When its enabled you have what should be a pretty standard Gnome
experience minus some of the tweakable options.
Mike
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On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Ralf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
A good idea to provide 2 different desktop meta packages, if somebody
has the time and knowledge to maintain the GNOME package.
I might have some time to contribute some work, but I guess not the
knowledge to help
Am 16.05.2011 08:43, schrieb aYo Binitie:
Hi Scott,
Your opinions are noted and they are valid. I never claimed that XFCE was no
good - just that I had never used it and there were probably good reasons
why it was second best to Gnome2.
I assure you and everyone who has reservations towards
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Hartmut Noack zettber...@linuxuse.dewrote:
Am 16.05.2011 08:43, schrieb aYo Binitie:
Hi Scott,
Your opinions are noted and they are valid. I never claimed that XFCE was
no
good - just that I had never used it and there were probably good reasons
why it was
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Mike Holstein mikeh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Robert Klaar nim.b...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with this, the only argument I've heard so far is that it's
different and sure, installed 11.04(with unity) to my laptop I use for
backup
On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 07:26 -0500, Scott Lavender wrote:
I suggest reading my blog [1] for those interested in the rationale
behind the switch as it details some of the events and decisions that
lead up to choosing XFCE.
Cheers,
ScottL
[1]
On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 10:13 -0500, Kenneth Koym wrote:
At age 72 I don't have time for bewildering experiences. Must
personally try to work my life plan. No, I think XFCE Studio stinks.
I'll try to keep GNOME2 for my DAWs as long as possible. I did use XFCE,
it's good, but I anyway switched
On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 11:44 -0500, Scott Lavender wrote:
lxde, xfce
Oops, I confused LXDE with XFCE, pardon. Both are ok, but IIRC I didn't
prefer XFCE, it was LXDE. However, both can't replace GNOME.
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Thanks for the reply - all these changes really put me on the spot. I have
for the first time in 4 years not been in a race to install a new Ubuntu
distro. I detest Unity and even UbuntuStudio Natty which sensibly has kept
GNome 2 is not as fast as UbuntuStudio Meerkat. No compiz in Gnome3 means
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 4:37 AM, aYo Binitie ayobini...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for the reply - all these changes really put me on the spot. I have
for the first time in 4 years not been in a race to install a new Ubuntu
distro. I detest Unity and even UbuntuStudio Natty which sensibly has
I apologize for singling out this post, but...
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 3:37 AM, aYo Binitie ayobini...@gmail.com wrote:
XFCE - I have no idea about but it was super we would not be all having
these rants.
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On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 11:14 -0500, Scott Lavender wrote:
I apologize for singling out this post, but...
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 3:37 AM, aYo Binitie ayobini...@gmail.com
I challenge you (not just you aYo, but everyone) who thinks XFCE isn't
super or good or isn't GNOME 2 to actually try
Again with Gnome 3???
I think people doesnt understand that moving to Gnome 3 is A BIG CHANGE!!!
The ui is completely diferent, the workflow is diferent. Gnome 3 is
made to use full screen widows. Its very new, no much teaking is
possible, at least for now.
XFCE is a PROVEN, STABLE and SIMILAR
Umm, maybe the same could be said for Gnome3...
Rather than dump it (or Unity which will apparently be the default
Ubuntu desktop) for yet another DE which itself has pros and cons.
Being direct, I haven't seen a viable argument yet for why a change is
necessary. Except perhaps that some
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Michael Dickson
mike.dick...@rivendellnh.com wrote:
On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 11:14 -0500, Scott Lavender wrote:
I apologize for singling out this post, but...
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 3:37 AM, aYo Binitie ayobini...@gmail.com
I challenge you (not just you
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Michael Dickson
mike.dick...@rivendellnh.com wrote:
On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 11:14 -0500, Scott Lavender wrote:
I apologize for singling out this post, but...
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 3:37 AM, aYo Binitie ayobini...@gmail.com
I challenge you (not just you
The application menu drop down list is very similar to xubuntu's. I don't
mind xubuntu anyway, i've used it on a laptop before and it's not going to
be a drastic change from 10.04 UI imo lol
On May 15, 2011 1:14 PM, Ricardo Lameiro ricardolame...@gmail.com wrote:
Again with Gnome 3???
I think
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Robert Klaar nim.b...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with this, the only argument I've heard so far is that it's
different and sure, installed 11.04(with unity) to my laptop I use for
backup a few days ago and it is different but nothing that you won't get
used to,
Am 15.05.2011 18:36, schrieb Michael Dickson:
On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 11:14 -0500, Scott Lavender wrote:
I apologize for singling out this post, but...
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 3:37 AM, aYo Binitieayobini...@gmail.com
I challenge you (not just you aYo, but everyone) who thinks XFCE isn't
super
On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 13:17 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote:
check out gnome3 here http://www.gnome3.org/tryit.html and see what
you think. assuming gnome3 is an acceptable DE for ubuntustudio, it
cannot be disputed that it is a drastic change from gnome2, and its
arguable that XFCE is actually
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Kenneth Koym koy...@gmail.com wrote:
Whereas I've plugged away with 10.04.02 LTS - kxstudio 64 amd and saw no
build up comments regarding going to xfce which I suffered with over 1.5
years with no known supporters,
-what did you suffer with? using XFCE?
I am
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Michael Dickson
mike.dick...@rivendellnh.com wrote:
My understanding is you get something similar to the current interface.
The Gnome shell requires 3d support hence the need to have it. But no
reason you cant use it if you dont like or are concerned about
After various discussions, investigation and tinkering the Ubuntu
Studio team have decided to re-base the project on XFCE. The team
simple feel that Unity and GNOME-Shell do not fit our target audience
or intended workflow.
We will be working toward using a custom UI which will feature Avant
C K:
in lay terms what's meant by XFCE?
Ken
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 11:48 AM, C K coryis...@gmail.com wrote:
After various discussions, investigation and tinkering the Ubuntu
Studio team have decided to re-base the project on XFCE. The team
simple feel that Unity and GNOME-Shell do not fit
*What is XFCE?*
http://www.xfce.org/
*Simple explanation...*
http://www.xfce.org/Instead of using the Gnome
desktophttp://www.gnome.org/that Ubuntu Studio uses today, or the
KDE
desktop http://www.kde.org/ environment that
Seems like a step in the wrong direction.
From memory, that's what MythBuntu is based on.
Last time I looked there was no provision for SMB shares and you
had to jump through all sorts of hoops to enable it.
Dave
On 14/05/2011 2:48 AM, C K
I think the recent 4.8 release addresses the samba issue. Someone correct me
if I'm wrong here.
-BB (sent from mobile)
On May 13, 2011 6:06 PM, Dave dv...@iinet.com.au wrote:
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In its release note, we can see XFCE 4.8 includes the samba protocol
support.
http://www.xfce.org/about/news/?post=1295136000
With Xfce 4.8 our users will be able to browse remote shares using a
variety of protocols (SFTP, SMB, FTP and many more). The window clutter
has been reduced by
Good news! Always liked xfce - even for newer machines. The lighter the
better.
Can you also remove the feature that forces Libre Office. I want open
office. Libre office wont open pdf's.
Nice work guys.
Anthony Hall.
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 5:48 PM, C K coryis...@gmail.com wrote:
After
Interesting. I've never tried opening a PDF with OpenOffice. Out of
curiosity, why do you do that and which portion of OpenOffice do you use?
(Writer, Calc, Draw, etc.)
LibreOffice is really developing rapidly (unlike OpenOffice), and it would
seem that OpenOffice will probably fade into the
Hi,
I'm basically welcome to the shift into XFCE.
But I'm concern about the difficulties of communication for support
between Ubuntu users and XFCE users. There are many differences of
system application. Of cource, GNOME system application also run in XFCE
but it will not be as default.
I
The wild enthusiasm when using XFCE IMO quickly will switch to
disillusion. You should stay at GNOME.
Anyway, XFCE is a good choice compared with similar light weighted
environments, such as e.g. e17.
What are the reasons to switch the WM/DE?
There's a win for the performance etc. when using
On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 20:04 -0500, Erik Rasmussen wrote:
Interesting. I've never tried opening a PDF with OpenOffice. Out of
curiosity, why do you do that and which portion of OpenOffice do you
use? (Writer, Calc, Draw, etc.)
Are we talking about DAWs? The default could be Abiword to safe
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 1:23 AM, Ralf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
The wild enthusiasm when using XFCE IMO quickly will switch to
disillusion. You should stay at GNOME.
Anyway, XFCE is a good choice compared with similar light weighted
environments, such as e.g. e17.
What are the
On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 09:02 +1000, Dave wrote:
Seems like a step in the wrong direction.
+1
Again, XFCE is a good environment, but some things are simple when using
GNOME and become a PITA for other DEs. GNOME is the best choice. Better
switch to a kernel-rt than to switch the DE, if you wish
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