[USMA:50878] Re: PAT NAUGHTIN

2011-07-18 Thread Pierre Abbat
I am quite stunned. The man who introduced me to the metric system died of colon cancer many years ago. He would often say things like They don't do it that way because it's too simple. My response to cancer may be different from yours (I prevent it with nutrition and herbs) but our response

[USMA:50869] French woman has trouble with sewing patterns

2011-07-17 Thread Pierre Abbat
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=74552 -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa

[USMA:50729] Re: MyPlate

2011-06-23 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Thursday 23 June 2011 23:15:01 a-bruie...@lycos.com wrote: divSadly, another Federal site with no SI in sight./div divbr //div divhttp://www.choosemyplate.gov/myplate/index.aspxbr //div divbr //div This was my comment on the site when I first saw it three weeks ago: The advice on the

[USMA:50707] Re: Land area France

2011-06-21 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 21 June 2011 07:58:28 Michael Payne wrote: I'm looking at buying a piece of property in France. I notice on the documents that they list the area as Hectares (ha) ares (a) and ca which I'm thinking are centiare? Anyone on this list have any idea if this is correct. On another

[USMA:50675] RE: cm vs. mm

2011-06-17 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 17 June 2011 03:43:18 Martin Vlietstra wrote: The underlying problem is that we have elected to works in multiples of 1000, not 100. Multiples of 1000 work well for cubic measures, multiples of 100 for superficial measures. This is a fact of life with which we must live, just as

[USMA:50660] RE: cm vs. mm

2011-06-16 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 15 June 2011 13:51:28 Martin Vlietstra wrote: I disagree with you regarding the hectare - I would actually like to see the are being brought into general use as that would make: 1 are = 10^2 m^2 1 ha = 10^4 m^2 1 km^2 = 10^6 m^2 This would ensure that no unit need have four

[USMA:50648] RE: cm vs. mm

2011-06-15 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 14 June 2011 17:59:07 Pat Naughtin wrote: The use of centimetres carries this sort of baggage. But, it also carries other impediments to acceptance. I will mull on this thought with a view to writing about why centimetres don't work for a metrication upgrade as I really don't know

[USMA:50578] Dealing with the building industry

2011-06-08 Thread Pierre Abbat
I'm designing a house with gambrel attic trusses, and I'll need to get some truss company to make the trusses. I'm also going to submit drawings to an engineer. I've made tentative CAD drawings. The truss is made with American dimensional lumber (nominal two-by); the drawings are dimensioned in

[USMA:50501] Re: Stark comparison

2011-05-25 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 25 May 2011 11:03:10 James R. Frysinger wrote: The latest edition of Metric Today (just received here on my farm) contains a neat reprint from a U.S. House of Representatives report of 1860. This reprint includes two tables showing the values of imports and exports to and from (1)

[USMA:50431] RE: AP Styleguide 2009

2011-05-05 Thread Pierre Abbat
A few typos in the letter: The symbol for kilowatt hour is kW·h, not kWh. The word degree is misspelled as dgree. The articles states is ungrammatical. One of the s's is extra. Also, the section about radiation units should mention the becquerel. I heard a story about Fukushima this morning on

[USMA:50427] Re: Conversion vs. Substitution (formerly hard vs. soft conversions)

2011-05-04 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 03 May 2011 21:53:05 John M. Steele wrote: To answer your earlier question, cross-labelling is not permitted here.  In dual, both units must be weight or both must be volume.  HOWEVER (this may amaze you), it is not necessary to distinguish ounces from fluid ounces because the grams

[USMA:50394] Coconut matzos

2011-04-25 Thread Pierre Abbat
I think I've figured the proportions out. 75 g wheat 75 g barley 75 ml water 15 g coconut oil Grind 150 g each of wheat and barley in the Vita-Mix, which should be cleaned and dried beforehand, as its usual purpose is to make smoothies. Put half the flour in a dry container in the fridge for

[USMA:50337] Re: Metric around the Caribbean

2011-04-12 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 11 April 2011 14:09:23 Remek Kocz wrote: This brings us to Belize, which is a country that I'd argue is more USC than the US itself. Why? In addition to everything that I saw being nonmetric, there is no FPLA. So locally packaged food is in pounds and ounces _only_. Everything

[USMA:50285] Re: Astronomical measurements

2011-04-04 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 03 April 2011 13:32:57 Brij Bhushan Vij wrote: Pierre, Paul Rittman sirs: A number you may find useful is 206264.8. Is this value for Pi used anywhere in day-to-day life. Any reference avaialable. Most enineering/standard reference books maintain and use the I said approximately.

[USMA:50260] Re: Astronomical measurements

2011-04-02 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 02 April 2011 20:36:43 Paul Rittman wrote: So would you folks advise (1) being purist, and quoting inter-stellar distances as “ultra-giga-multi-meters” or whatever; (2) in parsecs, which is almost entirely unknown to civilians; or (3) stick with the term “light-year”? And just as

[USMA:50254] Re: Units for measuring short lengths in personal life

2011-04-01 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 01 April 2011 12:32:03 Paul Rittman wrote: My main problem with the metric system is trying to use it in my daily life (I live in the southern California region in the United States). I don’t really have a problem with kilometers or liters, but with the shorter units of length that

[USMA:50208] Units of measure for Haener blocks

2011-03-27 Thread Pierre Abbat
I'm considering Haener blocks for a house I'm going to build. I found the writeup http://www.haenerblock.com/pdf/2_Block_System.pdf, which gives block sizes in inches, wall sizes in feet, mortar volumes in liters, and masses in kilograms. The units are jarring. I design and build in metric. Do

[USMA:50218] Re: Challah, with metric masses

2011-03-27 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 27 March 2011 19:30:49 James R. Frysinger wrote: Here's a challah recipe that has intrigued me; I think I'll be trying it out in a few days. The author provides ingredient volumes with ingredient masses in parentheses (even for fluids), both metric and non-metric. I was delighted to

[USMA:50187] Re: Does it matter if we specify Celsius?

2011-03-25 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Thursday 24 March 2011 20:19:44 Bill Hooper wrote: Recently, one of our correspondents (it doesn't matter who) wrote about temperatures and referred to values just in degrees without specifying Celsius or Fahrenheit. (See excerpt below.) I know most of us on this list are sufficiently aware

[USMA:50126] Re: PC Case fans flow measurements

2011-03-20 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 18 March 2011 08:36:37 Remek Kocz wrote: Guys, thanks for the conversion factors, but that's not what I was asking for. My question is specifically about metric units of airflow for PC fans. Is there an accepted, standardized metric unit reported for airflow in PC fans, like CFM is

[USMA:50021] millisieverts

2011-03-15 Thread Pierre Abbat
I heard someone mention the figure 400 mSv/h on NPR in connection with the nuclear reactor in Japan. Did anyone else give it in rems? Have you heard other radiation units in reporting on the event? Pierre -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la

[USMA:49986] Re: Metric Weather Products

2011-03-09 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 21 February 2011 10:58:36 John M. Steele wrote: National Weather Service:  NWS has specialized products for marine, aviation and other interests which rigidly specify units and are oriented towards teletype.  My comments apply only to their formatted  civilian forecasts which are

[USMA:49987] Re: CMU supplier?

2011-03-09 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Thursday 24 February 2011 10:58:01 James R. Frysinger wrote: Have you tried these folks, Pierre? Carolinas Concrete Masonry Association (CCMA) http://www.ccmaonline.com/ Adams' page doesn't list metric dimensions, Cemex's sizes and shapes page is missing (there's a link but

[USMA:49988] Re: CMU supplier?

2011-03-09 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 27 February 2011 11:16:42 John M. Steele wrote: I believe the nominal is the modular size and the actual dimensions allow for a 10 mm (or 3/8) mortar joint.  That makes sense to me on length and width, not so clear on thickness, but I guess it allows any orientation, corners, etc.

[USMA:49919] CMU supplier?

2011-02-24 Thread Pierre Abbat
I'm planning to build a house whose outside will be made of CMU filled with concrete. I'm trying (way ahead of time) to find a CMU supplier by web searching. I've found several sites giving metric dimensions of CMU, and some pages about software metrics of some CMU that has nothing to do with

[USMA:49884] Re: AP Anti-Metric Stance Conceals the Salt Guideline

2011-02-18 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 31 January 2011 14:39:42 John M. Steele wrote: An AP reporter writes a whole article about salt intake and new guidelines for older adults and those in high risk groups. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110131/ap_on_he_me/us_dietary_guidelines_salt She includes the metric recommendation

[USMA:49790] Re: US metrication from the ground up

2011-02-06 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 26 January 2011 10:37:18 Tim Williamson wrote: *Metrication in the US - a grassroots effort* A grassroots effort from the ground up may be the best way to get the job done. I'm putting a plan together for that now. I'm in the very formative stages at this point. Any ideas on

[USMA:49791] Re: how does spelling relate to metrication WAS: Spelling

2011-02-06 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 26 January 2011 16:18:35 James R. Frysinger wrote: You may notice also that the Greek name for second does not have the same roots as second (or the same word in the other non-Asian languages shown). Rather it might be transliterated as deuteroletto. That further makes the

[USMA:49773] Re: Screen size conundrum

2011-02-05 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 14 January 2011 11:59:55 mech...@illinois.edu wrote: Michael, Jon, and Patrick, The best unit for TV screen area (size) is the coherent SI unit meter squared. Flat screens of area about 1 m^2 and larger are already quite common. Screen *dimensions* should be given in millimeters,

[USMA:49774] Re: US Passport renewal

2011-02-05 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 17 January 2011 08:27:46 John M. Steele wrote: I have not tried this (I plan to next time) but several USMA members have pointed out that if you fill in the form by hand, there is no problem submitting height in meters or centimeters.  The data does not appear on the passport in any

[USMA:49775] Re: Screen size conundrum

2011-02-05 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 17 January 2011 09:09:24 John M. Steele wrote: I absolutely agree it is a permitted construction; however it strikes me as clear that 2 square meters and 2 meters squared are equivalent and that both mean 2 m², neither means 4 m² (a 2 m x 2 m square).  The text clearly says the name

[USMA:49777] Re: the 1 m doorknob poll

2011-02-05 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 22 January 2011 15:14:30 Paul Trusten wrote: We sometimes use the height of a doorknob above the floor as a frame of reference for a height of 1 m. I just put that presumption to the test here in my apartment in Midland, Texas, USA, and I measure 950 mm from the floor to the

[USMA:49703] Re: And a Canadian shall show them ...

2011-01-30 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 09 January 2011 18:58:28 Pat Naughtin wrote: I also once had two degree Celsius thermometers with suction circles that I could seal onto glass. I placed one inside a glass door and the other outside. That way you could check the inside temperature, the outside temperature, and

[USMA:49588] diacritics was: RE: USDA National Nutrient Database

2011-01-24 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 31 December 2010 05:34:12 Martin Vlietstra wrote: The need for diacritics can be shown by my school experience (in South Africa). My secondary school (12-17 years olds) taught both English and Afrikaans speaking children (separate classes) and was known as Estcourt High

[USMA:49580] RE: USDA National Nutrient Database

2011-01-23 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 24 December 2010 09:07:55 Martin Vlietstra wrote: If you want to write µ, you have a number of choices: 1) Get a German keyboard (not always easy in the US or the UK) 2) Type Alt-0181 when using Windows. 3) Go into your favourite word processor and cut-and-paste µ from it. In X, you

[USMA:49454] Fuel economy label, Docket ID No. EPA-HQ-OAR-2009-0865

2011-01-09 Thread Pierre Abbat
years. It is easier to learn and easier to calculate in. Figures in metric units should be required; figures in obsolescent units should be optional, to disappear once highways are renumbered in kilometers and all fuels are sold in metric units. Pierre Abbat

[USMA:49147] Re: metric-only measurement of oral liquid medication doses

2010-12-10 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 01 December 2010 07:46:21 John M. Steele wrote: -Drams:  What is a dram and who knows that?  Registered pharmacists? Where do you find devices marked in drams? I recently bought some vials from www.glassvials.com to send someone samples of various essential oils. The list of sizes

[USMA:48909] Re: Shirt to Promote Metric

2010-11-23 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 19 November 2010 14:17:32 Paul Armstrong wrote: http://www.zazzle.com/gometric There's a Smoking area 15 meters to left bumper sticker. How do you know what's 15 m left of the car? Pierre -- lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko

[USMA:48859] Re: Which Inch?

2010-11-13 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Thursday 11 November 2010 11:28:14 John M. Steele wrote: 3) Other inches:  If the other European countries did not tie their inch to the UK inch, I think the 1850 entry is irrelevant. According to Rowlett: Peter the Great standardized the arshin at exactly 28 English inches, or 71.12

[USMA:48792] Re: Terminology (off topic)

2010-11-05 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Thursday 04 November 2010 16:29:29 John M. Steele wrote: Scary.  I not only understand it, I have fid and can splice stranded rope.  Never got the hang of braid.. I've never fid (fad? fud?), but I've read Chapman enough to know how to do it. What I'd like to know is, where's the eye? He

[USMA:48709] Re: flash light standard

2010-10-25 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 24 October 2010 18:39:49 Norman Nancy Werling wrote: Pat, I've noticed that American bulb manufacturers are telling consumers to shift our thinking from watts to lumens for the degree of light. Did they make up another term to avoid using a metric unit? No, the lumen is metric

[USMA:48681] Re: The metre we use

2010-10-19 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 18 October 2010 15:16:24 Pat Naughtin wrote: Dear All, From time to time I read the line (in various sources) that goes something like: The metre has never changed in length, only the definition has been rewritten to provide better accuracy and precision. This poses the

[USMA:48623] speech

2010-10-08 Thread Pierre Abbat
In my public speaking class, the next speech is to inform. I'm doing mine on the history of the metric system. Pierre -- Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar.

[USMA:48492] Re: Metric Recipes

2010-09-10 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Thursday 09 September 2010 10:57:10 Michael Payne wrote: http://www.jsward.com/cooking/index.shtml For all of those who prefer metric recipes. May I contribute? I do not have many recipes, but I've been cooking in grams for a few years. Pierre -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa

[USMA:48472] Re: Which inch?

2010-09-05 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 04 September 2010 20:49:33 Pat Naughtin wrote: Dear John, In the definitions you report below, which inch applies? Is it now the 1960 (metric) inch set at 25.4 millimetres exactly? Is it the survey (metric) inch set at 1/36 of 36/39.37 of the international prototype metre set

[USMA:48426] Re: BMI - a metric success

2010-08-24 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 24 August 2010 16:46:51 John M. Steele wrote: Actually, the breakpoints for BMI are: = 25.0 kg/m²: Overweight = 30.0 Obese = 35.0 Morbidly Obese Note that BMI is good for people of normal build but can be misleading for athletes with unusually high muscle mass.  Here's a quick

[USMA:48367] Re: Metric in Malta and Sicily

2010-08-12 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Thursday 12 August 2010 19:59:10 ezra.steinb...@comcast.net wrote: Thanks for the observations, Bill. Both French (which I know from having I lived there many years ago) and Italian follow the same word order when specifying a mass (for instance, 50 kg) and in fact the same word order as

[USMA:48322] Re: mil

2010-08-04 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 04 August 2010 03:20:43 Pat Naughtin wrote: Dear Pierre, Thanks for the correction. I understood that the military government – using advice from their numerologists and astrologers – had adopted a currency based on nines and fifteens. They issued bills of funny numbers of

[USMA:48312] Re: mil

2010-08-03 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 02 August 2010 20:55:17 Pat Naughtin wrote: I think that Thomas Jefferson coined the word mil when he developed decimal currency for the USA in the 1780s (which was subsequently adopted in the whole world – except for Burma). The Myanma kyat is now divided in 100 pya. The two

[USMA:48284] mass of a package

2010-07-30 Thread Pierre Abbat
I ordered a textbook online. Yesterday I got an email that a package weighing 2.5 KGS (sic) had arrived at the apartment office. I imagined a thick tome like the surveying book. I weighed the 25 mm paperback I actually got, together with the envelope. and found almost 1500 grams. Why is the

[USMA:48187] Re: Light bulbs

2010-07-11 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 11 July 2010 17:37:25 James R. Frysinger wrote: What disenchants me in particular about the CIE curve (esp. the initial curve of 1924 [date?]) is its pitiful provenance. As I recall, at least in part, the data for this visual brightness curve was taken by questionable experimental

[USMA:48061] Re: new SI prefix hella

2010-07-06 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 06 July 2010 13:53:33 m. f. moon wrote: Some guy from Northern California has proposed to the International Metric organization the addition of the prefix 'hella' as a mulltiplier for 10^27. Probably won't go any where but . See the LA Times article in today's, 6 July 2010,

[USMA:48038] RE: KG3U units

2010-07-04 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 04 July 2010 13:12:08 Martin Vlietstra wrote: King George III was mad anyway! I live in his wife's city, and have seen her flower, but not here. And there's plenty of madness in this city, besides the units. Let's get rid of his mad units! Pierre -- lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu

[USMA:48002] Re: Truly weird unit: slyke

2010-06-30 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 29 June 2010 23:50:33 James R. Frysinger wrote: I came across a unit of measure called a slyke in an esoteric journal article relating to biochemistry. This is the first time I have seen this unit used. Fortunately, the author provided this definition: A slyke is the number of

[USMA:47983] Re: OFF TOPIC: Twilight

2010-06-27 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 27 June 2010 06:07:33 John M. Steele wrote: The above calculations use the (center of the) geometric sun and neglect refraction of earth's atmosphere.  Calculated sunrise and sunset are calculated for 54' (arcminutes) below the horizon under the same conditions.  The 54' figure is

[USMA:47984] Re: Fw: Re: National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) Tech Beat Update

2010-06-27 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 26 June 2010 06:53:50 John M. Steele wrote: The NIST permissive metric-only press release is getting some re-publication on food industry related sites: http://www.foodproductdesign.com/news/2010/06/nist--proposes-metric-only-la beling-for-some-products.aspx Their study showing

[USMA:47940] Re: metric-measure

2010-06-24 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 23 June 2010 19:53:47 Pat Naughtin wrote: Dear All, Does anyone know who metric-measure.tk belongs to? I am curious because of this page: http://metric-measure.tk/868034-TEDxMelbourne-Pat-Naughtin-Saving-Millions- with-the-Metric-System.html The whois query returns this:

[USMA:47910] estimating in metric

2010-06-22 Thread Pierre Abbat
Last week, I opened up the inside part of the air conditioner, which was not cooling, and found that the coils were covered with dust. I asked the apartment office to send someone to fix it, as I had tried to clean it with a loofa, which didn't do much good. The maintenance man came Thursday

[USMA:47916] Re: AP Guidelines

2010-06-22 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 21 June 2010 17:39:27 Robert H. Bushnell wrote: I am not going to tell AP to change their style. I can live with what they have. When schools stop teaching inch-pound then we can tell AP to change. False prerequisite. The AP can abandon its anti-metric bias regardless of what

[USMA:47881] Re: superscripts for SI symbols

2010-06-20 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 19 June 2010 19:27:44 Pat Naughtin wrote: Have you considered how much it costs you to spend those few seconds on every page. Now multiply that amount by all drawing people (such engineers) in the USA. It makes my estimate at

[USMA:47869] Re: superscripts for SI symbols

2010-06-19 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Thursday 17 June 2010 20:14:25 Michael Payne wrote: I agree with John Frewen-Lord that Adobe is a nuisance, I print on A4 paper but the document is all inches. Even my HP printer gives the size of the paper in inches and decimal inches for the A4 size. All very annoying. I have yet to see

[USMA:47822] Re: superscripts for SI symbols

2010-06-16 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 16 June 2010 09:00:14 Patrick Moore wrote: Funny, Hooper's superscripted numerals each looked like a quotation mark in his message to me but appear as intended after re-sent by Abbat, below. I run Mac OS X.5.8 on a PowerPC G5. My e-mail is MS Entourage 12.2.4 for Mac. I've seen

[USMA:47823] RE: The Oil Leak (Estimate) Increases Again

2010-06-16 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 15 June 2010 19:27:34 John M. Steele wrote: Yes, although Pat and some others prefer to visualize it as 10 ML. Whatever works best for you, I guess. :) My apartment building (four apartments) is about 1 ML, so I visualize it that way. But if I were to explain it to someone who

[USMA:47805] Re: superscripts for SI symbols

2010-06-15 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 15 June 2010 12:01:46 Bill Hooper wrote: Here is the example: The cubic metre symbol is m³ and the square metre symbol is m². I'm running KDE on Linux and it looks fine to me. Pierre -- lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko

[USMA:47791] Re: Metric motors in the USA

2010-06-14 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 14 June 2010 20:46:07 Bill Hooper wrote: (I regret that I cannot produce the correct form of cubic centimetre symbol here because I cannot produce the raised 2 for square.) In KDE, enable the keyboard layout tool, then configure it. In the Xkb options tab, set the compose key

[USMA:47772] RE: Are metric speed limit and/or distance signs permitted by US Federal law or regulation?

2010-06-13 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 12 June 2010 14:45:48 Stephen Humphreys wrote: Again, this is advice (from MHO) rather than me 'knocking' you. There is no mho anymore. It's now called siemens. ;) Pierre -- lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko

[USMA:47644] Please stop the off-list emails

2010-06-10 Thread Pierre Abbat
I have been getting emails in my inbox, not only from Ametrica and aliases thereof, but also from someone on the list, in response to messages I did not send, on topics I don't care about, such as the unit used to measure the dead horse whip in a grocery store in England. If a message is on

[USMA:47419] Re: Using metric at the doctor

2010-05-23 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 22 May 2010 19:37:01 Carleton MacDonald wrote: The past few weeks, I've been seeing doctors more often than normal, as my urologist discovered some prostate cells that don't belong there and wants to take the whole thing out. There's been a lot of pre-surgical work done by my

[USMA:47374] Re: How to find people interested in metrication?

2010-05-15 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 15 May 2010 07:36:41 Remek Kocz wrote: You mentioned before you're taking college courses. Maybe in your college? The old-fashioned announcement boards still work in these days of internet. I'm taking no summer classes, I've taken all the surveying courses I need for the degree,

[USMA:47376] Re: Surveying and metrication

2010-05-15 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 15 May 2010 19:00:52 Pat Naughtin wrote: You might remind your professor of the contribution that two great surveyors, Thomas Jefferson and George Washington, made to the initiation of the metric system as a legal entity in France in the 1790s. I probably did, but it doesn't help

[USMA:47366] How to find people interested in metrication?

2010-05-14 Thread Pierre Abbat
I'd like to start a chapter of the USMA here. A few months ago I sent an email to several people in the church, all immigrants, asking if they knew anyone who'd be interested. I got no response. I asked a friend of mine and he suggested the chess club (huh?) and the IEEE (I'm sure everyone

[USMA:47362] Re: Fur Affinity

2010-05-13 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Thursday 13 May 2010 18:35:40 Pat Naughtin wrote: Dear All, This looks like an oddball site at http://forums.furaffinity.net/showthread.php?t=71649 but it is interesting that their metrication survey is 73 % positive and only 20 % negative when considering the question: 'Should America

[USMA:47245] Re: The survey foot and the statute mile

2010-04-23 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Thursday 22 April 2010 12:45:37 James R. Frysinger wrote: It states that the National Geodetic Survey uses the meter. Now, according to this document, 24 states legislated using the survey foot conversion factor, 8 states the international foot conversion factor, and 18 states have no

[USMA:47252] Re: Sent to the white house

2010-04-23 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 21 April 2010 13:25:25 Pierre Abbat wrote: CIRIVRXIVRCCLXXX As no one's figured it out, here it is: 101+1/4+1/14+1/280=101.325. Pierre -- Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar.

[USMA:47214] Re: Sent to the white house

2010-04-21 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 21 April 2010 12:42:56 Stephen Davis wrote: Well, sometimes Roman numerals are concise. Yes, but I sure wouldn't want to multiply and divide them. And how exactly do you fraction roman numerals? :-) With Egyptian fractions - e.g. CIRIVRXIVRCCLXXX (can you figure it out?).

[USMA:47230] Re: Sent to the white house

2010-04-21 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 21 April 2010 14:18:22 Stephen Davis wrote: What does the 'R' stand for? I've never come across that before. R stands for the Egyptian word er, which means over in one over n. It means to add the reciprocal of the following number up to, but not including, the next R. There's

[USMA:47035] RE: A4 letter paper

2010-04-04 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 04 April 2010 23:53:09 Carleton MacDonald wrote: Well, a month and a half later, I've found that some documents, when printed on A4 paper, start running some of the lines together. I don't know if it's my printer or if it's the document formatted for the US letter size. When I

[USMA:47030] Re: Common Core State Standards

2010-04-03 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 02 April 2010 13:02:11 mech...@illinois.edu wrote: Please recall that today, April 2, is the closing date for submitting comments on the Common Core State Standards for Mathematics and English. I requested that the essentials of Public Law 100-418, which declares SI as the

[USMA:46985] Re: Where's the common sense in this??

2010-03-26 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 26 March 2010 22:24:19 Brian White wrote: Like the 454 kg of mayonaise I bought one time. Or the 227 kg of cheese. :) Or the ML markings on my Vita-Mix blender. Pierre -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman.

[USMA:46925] core standards feedback

2010-03-13 Thread Pierre Abbat
I'm at one of the pages leading up to the feedback form: Please select the one role that best describes you. O0 K-12 Teacher O1 Postsecondary Faculty/Researcher O2 Parent O3 Student O4 School Administrator/Leader O5 Other (specify) I'm an other. What should I specify? I don't have any

[USMA:46908] Re: Standards for Math and English

2010-03-11 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 10 March 2010 23:28:49 mech...@illinois.edu wrote: Phil, Common Core State Standards for Mathematics (a 71 page DRAFT) was posted just a few hours ago. To me, these are New Standards although they are still in DRAFT form, but they are now available for public comment until

[USMA:46919] Re: Common Core State Standards for Mathematics

2010-03-11 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Thursday 11 March 2010 14:31:14 mech...@illinois.edu wrote: On Page 16 of the DRAFT (for Grade 2), under Length Measurement is the statement: Understand that 1 inch, 1 foot, 1 centimeter, and 1 meter are conventionally defined lengths used as standard units. There is no mention of SI. The

[USMA:46844] Re: degrees symbol

2010-03-05 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 05 March 2010 09:56:13 Bill Hooper wrote: I recently discovered an easier and better way to type a degrees symbol on the computer. Maybe some (all?) of you already knew this but I didn't. I had been using the combination option-shift-8 (that is, option-*, since shift-8 is the

[USMA:46855] Re: degrees symbol

2010-03-05 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 05 March 2010 17:36:29 Bill Hooper wrote: It is to be hoped that at some happy point in the (distant) future, we will find that all computers and transmission facilities will be using the same codes for various special characters so that we can successfully print and transmit

[USMA:46861] Re: special symbols (was degrees symbol

2010-03-05 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 05 March 2010 21:09:31 Bill Hooper wrote: On Mar 5 , at 6:05 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: On Friday 05 March 2010 17:36:29 Bill Hooper wrote: ... the same codes for various special characters ... like ... the SI prefix micro-, l.c. mu (µ), The mu is not actually a mu (μ

[USMA:46796] Gimli glider was Re: babies produced, UK

2010-02-27 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 27 February 2010 12:00:28 John M. Steele wrote: *Naked number conversion:  The pilot used the number 1.77  to convert between liters and kilograms.  The correct density is 0.803 kg/L.  The naked figure 1.77 is correctly the conversion between liters and pounds, 1.77 lb/L. Did the

[USMA:46750] Re: Calories or kilojoules (Australian edition)

2010-02-24 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 21 February 2010 16:44:21 Pat Naughtin wrote: Calorie vs kilojoule Defined by the BAAS in 1889 Still widely unknown and misunderstood after 121 years Note: there's an oddity. I wrote calorie with a lower case c and because it was at the beginning of a line

[USMA:46733] BackTpack

2010-02-23 Thread Pierre Abbat
Several months ago I bought a new BackTpack to replace the one which was worn out inside, and I asked them to put the metric dimensions on the site. They have, except for the wearer's height. http://www.backtpack.com/btp_features.htm Pierre -- La sal en el mar es más que en la sangre. Le sel

[USMA:46717] Re: Need to buy more paper for the home printer

2010-02-20 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 20 February 2010 10:31:59 Carleton MacDonald wrote: What kind of difficulty, if any, might result from me using A4 paper in a letter world? (For one thing, my son is in his last semester of community college and may have to write a paper or two.) I'm in my next-to-last semester

[USMA:46617] Re: Cogitations

2010-02-12 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 13 February 2010 00:57:58 Pat Naughtin wrote: Dear All, For information: http://amateurcogitations.blogspot.com/2010/02/improving-metric-system.html There is an error in the article: one obtains 1 millilitre (mL) = 1 cubic micrometre (μm³) 1 mL = 1 cm³. Also, RAM is expressed

[USMA:46574] NCTM Web Site Feedback

2010-02-04 Thread Pierre Abbat
in metric units. Pierre Abbat -- Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen.

[USMA:46578] Re: NCTM Web Site Feedback

2010-02-04 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Thursday 04 February 2010 13:34:59 James R. Frysinger wrote: Pierre Abbat wrote: Referring page: http://www.nctm.org/about/content.aspx?id=6346 The explanation offers no reasons why the customary units should be taught. The circle: snip 5.Return to step 1. Repeat ad nauseam

[USMA:46559] Re: NCTM and the metric system

2010-02-02 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 02 February 2010 00:24:56 Pat Naughtin wrote: Dear All, This National Council of Teachers of Mathematics (NCTM) policy bears thinking about: http://www.nctm.org/about/content.aspx?id=6346 If we hope to get this policy changed, should we send comments to the address at the bottom

[USMA:46539] Re: Centimeters vs inches

2010-01-31 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 31 January 2010 17:55:56 Robert H. Bushnell wrote: This story shows again that we should not use centimeter. It is too close to inch. By that reasoning, we shouldn't use the liter because it's too close to the quart. I don't think that's the reason. The real reason, I think, is

[USMA:46514] Re: [USMA:46509] Oh how our minds …

2010-01-29 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 29 January 2010 08:59:26 John M. Steele wrote: Having sufficient cooking tools to prepare as written is certainly a good idea, and I have a scale (switchable).  However, I am NOT about to have two ovens one in Celsius, one in Fahrenheit to avoid conversion. It is sufficient to have

[USMA:46490] Re: Too entrenched to change

2010-01-26 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 26 January 2010 20:46:41 Bill Hooper wrote: Clearly this can be converted to m^2·C°·s/J . Furthermore, factor, s/J, is equal to 1/W so the R value can be simplified even further to m^2·C°/W. And as 1 C° of temperature difference is the same as 1 K, it's a kelvin square meter per

[USMA:46460] Re: Too entrenched to change

2010-01-25 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 24 January 2010 19:55:27 Pat Naughtin wrote: Dear All, I am beginning to make a collection of all those old pre-metric measuring words that are described as: Too entrenched to change. Several of your examples are not too entrenched to change, but I would include the mile *in the

[USMA:46461] Re: Light Bulb Labels

2010-01-25 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 19 January 2010 22:33:08 Stanislav Jakuba wrote: I noticed the proposed label for lightbulbs (M.T., 2010 Jan-Feb, pg 5). The last line in the frame reads: Energy Used ...60 watts. I brought up the article in the Federal Register, only to find that the deadline was last month.

[USMA:46482] Re: Too entrenched to change

2010-01-25 Thread Pierre Abbat
I just got back from work, so I have some time to think about these. On Sunday 24 January 2010 19:55:27 Pat Naughtin wrote: astronomical units, The AU is a natural unit, so I'd accept that it's too entrenched to change. atomic energy units, I don't know that unit, but there is the atomic

[USMA:46440] Re: Light Bulb Labels

2010-01-19 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 19 January 2010 22:33:08 Stanislav Jakuba wrote: I hope USMA, and every junior-high graduate, will object to the wrong unit or wrong terminology in that line. It should be either the shown energy used in which case the unit is joule (or some other unit for energy) or it is energy

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