date:20060316




What option in feedburner causes their to be id #s attached to the end of a media filename? Is it the Total Stats Pro tracking of media enclosures?ie. 
http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms.mp4?d=25
via:http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilmsThis feed doesnt work in FireAnt or any aggregator that currently uses typical file extention detection of media format (since often mime types in feeds are not accurate). 
Should'nt we get feedburner to modify it so its more cross-compatible (such as ending the url with .ext)? This is annoying and even though not technically wrong to do on feedburner's part, they should have taken this issue into consideration before breaking direct media urls like this. I dont want to write new code to handle 'special' direct media url formats. Once mime types are much more accurate, that's obviously the most proper way to detect a file format. but the reality is, file extensions hold weight rigth now. Unless someone can enlighten me to another approach. 
Worse case, i write code to work with these feedburner urls. But prefer to have feedburner do the mod.thanks,sull-- Sull
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Re: [videoblogging] feedburner media urls with ?d=

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:17:15 +0100, Michael Sullivan  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ie. http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms.mp4?d=25
 via:
 http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms

 This feed doesnt work in FireAnt or any aggregator that currently uses
 typical file extention detection of media format (since often mime types  
 in
 feeds are not accurate).

 Should'nt we get feedburner to modify it so its more cross-compatible  
 (such
 as ending the url with .ext)?  This is annoying and even though not
 technically wrong to do on feedburner's part, they should have taken this
 issue into consideration before breaking direct media urls like this.  I
 dont want to write new code to handle 'special' direct media url formats.

The file name still has a .mp4 extenstion. The ?id=25 is the query string.
Without knowing for sure I'm guessing that FireANT fails because it  
doesn't follow redirects (the URL responds with a 302 header that points  
to the original video URL.

So Feedburner has a correct filename ending in .mp4 and they are even  
sending the correct mime type (video/mp4). If an aggregator doesn't work  
with these URLs the aggregator needs to use a proper HTTP library. Setting  
up limitations like video files must have a file extension and you  
cannot use redirects are more than a little silly.

This isn't a case of having to write special software to handle these  
special URLs. These are normal URLs and if the software was using HTTP  
correctly (following redirects, breaking apart filename from query string  
before checking for file extension) there would be no problems.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: another service added to test page

Follow up:

We've finished moving Dierdré's content over to a subdomain of loadedpun.com:
http://www.testinggrounds.loadedpun.com/ (feed:
http://feeds.feedburner.com/TestingGrounds)

You can add comments to the reviews and subscribe to the comments as
well as the site's feed.

Come share any experiences that you have had with the services or send
us information about a service that we don't have listed so we can add
it.

Consider it a 'liviing' site that we all can add to.

On 3/8/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 fyi, in the next week or so, the information that Dierdré was kind
 enough to compile will be broken out into individual pages (with
 comments) on a sub site of loadedpun.com.  This will (hopefully)
 encourage some commenting by users and providers to enrich the
 services and help them grow.

 There will be a feed available, etc.  This is a really great idea that
 Dierdré has come up with for people that are new to it and we hope to
 add to it a bit.

 On 3/8/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Would someone good at this stuff (hint, I'm not) kindly place Dierdré's
  demo page link on the relevant pages so n00bs can see what's what.
  Anyone hosting sites that thinks it would be beneficial to n00bs please
  have a look and see if you would like to add.
 
  http://beginningwithi.com/vlog/test.html
 
 
  cheers
  r
 
 
  On Mar 8, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Deirdre Straughan wrote:
 
  
  
   On 3/8/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Is the link to your page now in the wiki and on freevlog (etc.)?
   Not that I'm aware of, feel free to add it! What little time I've had
   for this project has been absorbed in just signing up for the various
   services and getting my video in there. I'm glad Devlon offered to do
   the comments piece!
  
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[videoblogging] Re: pointing feed to a blogger page vs. web-page?

2006-03-16 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

OK, i guess the keep-it-simple rule applies here on the forum,since i didn't get any replies from my kinda lengthy post yesterday (I think i figured out the diff between embedding and enclosures on my own...)but 2 simple questions remain:are there any drawbacks to using one's own site for vodcasting, as opposed to vlogging via a blogspot page?ie) IF its possible to put up the XML subscription chicklet on one's own webpage, then i'm wondering what functional differences there might be? forgive my ignorance, but is there a sizable contingency of bloggers doing this, or is it an against-the-grain minority? I suppose i'd just have to surf out there to see, but i haven't had a chance to peruse too many vlogs unfortunately...(my web connection has been mostly limited to either cellphone when i'm in my RV, or sketchy web cafes when i'm traveling outside the country brazil currently... and that's part of the reason i'd ideally construct my vlog offline, and then just upload when i got to a web connection... vs. step by step posting in some expensive web cafe). thanks to anyone who could lend their experience and advise me. i'd like to only have to maintain ONE space where people can subscribe to my videos, if possible.and i think I'd prefer that it be my own site's video page, as opposed to a blogger vlog...or perhaps maintaining the 2 could be somewhat automated...?ie) if my site's video page could be 'fed' the videos (somehow thru RSS?) as they're added to my blogger page?...have my site's video page "subscribe" to my blogger page's videos and update accordingly... now that'd be great! hoping someone could please let me know if this is feasible or even possible to do.and IF this is a relatively common technique, then i'd surely appreciate any URLs which demonstrate good examples of this... thanks! ANY and ALL advice appreciated... thanks much Vlog on, Greg eklektro.net / los angeles currently blogging brazil !!

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[videoblogging] Re: pointing feed to a blogger page vs. web-page?

2006-03-16 Thread Bill Streeter

I wanted to answer your question yesturday but I didn't really 
understand what you are asking. But I think I get it now.

Yes of course you can host your own vlog. You don't need to use 
blogger. It's just recomended by Free Vlog because it's free. It's 
easier to use some form of blog software like Wordpress or Moveable 
type and such for a lot of different reasons. Mostly because your 
content is more easily updated, managed, archived and syndicated 
using a blogging system. I personally wouldn't want to try to 
maintain my blog without some kind of software running it behind the 
scenes. That would take way too much time and effort. 

I use Wordpress on a paid host. My host is Dreamhost. You can find a 
link to my vlog in my sig below.

Bill Streeter
LO-FI SAINT LOUIS
www.lofistl.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 OK, i guess the keep-it-simple rule applies here on the forum,
 since i didn't get any replies from my kinda lengthy post 
yesterday
 (I think i figured out the diff between embedding and enclosures 
on  
 my own...)
 but 2 simple questions remain:
 
  are there any drawbacks to using one's own site for vodcasting, 
as  
  opposed to vlogging via a blogspot page?
 
 
 ie) IF its possible to put up the XML subscription chicklet on 
one's  
 own webpage, then i'm wondering what functional differences there  
 might be?  forgive my ignorance, but is there a sizable 
contingency  
 of bloggers doing this, or is it an against-the-grain minority?  
I  
 suppose i'd just have to surf out there to see, but i haven't had 
a  
 chance to peruse too many vlogs unfortunately...(my web 
connection  
 has been mostly limited to either cellphone when i'm in my RV, or  
 sketchy web cafes when i'm traveling outside the country 
brazil  
 currently... and that's part of the reason i'd ideally construct 
my  
 vlog offline, and then just upload when i got to a web 
connection...  
 vs. step by step posting in some expensive web cafe).  thanks to  
 anyone who could lend their experience and advise me.
 
   i'd like to only have to maintain ONE space where people can  
  subscribe to my videos, if possible.
  and i think I'd prefer that it be my own site's video page, as  
  opposed to a blogger vlog...
  or perhaps maintaining the 2 could be somewhat automated...?
  ie) if my site's video page could be 'fed' the videos (somehow 
thru  
  RSS?) as they're added to my blogger page?
  ...have my site's video page subscribe to my blogger page's  
  videos and update accordingly...  now that'd be great!
   hoping someone could please let me know if this is feasible 
or  
  even possible to do.
 
 and IF this is a relatively common technique, then i'd surely  
 appreciate any URLs which demonstrate good examples of this... 
thanks!
 
  ANY and ALL advice appreciated... thanks much
  Vlog on,
  Greg
  eklektro.net / los angeles
  currently blogging brazil !!







 
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[videoblogging] Re: Top Ten Vlogging Mistakes

2006-03-16 Thread hpbatman7

Well, as long as we are ranting an peeving, what really peeves me 
about other vlogs is that they get me hits than mine.  :)

just felt like being a smart.alec.  ;)


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 O! Okay! got it. Sorry. 
 : )
 
 
 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy markus@ wrote:
 
  sh!  don't mention pets
  
  that really peeves some folks on the list
  
  some guy complained a while back about cat videos and Richard 
BF's been 
  uploading them ever since
  
  ;)
  
  
  missbhavens1969 wrote:
  
  I don't suppose we could start a rant and peeve thread about 
rants and pet peeves?
  
  
  Bekah
  http://missbhavens.blogspot.com
  
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Holistic_One@ wrote:

  
  There there, it's not like we can't start another thread to 
rant and peeve 
  on some other subject... It'll be allright.  Some people just 
don't get it
  
  Lisa
  
  
  
  From: Stephanie Bryant mortaine@
  Reply-To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
  To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Top Ten Vlogging Mistakes
  Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:52:22 -0800
  
  You really have no concept of the rants and pet peeves 
thread, do you?
  
  People like you spoil the fun for the rest of us.
  
  
  On 3/15/06, Josh Wolf inthecity@ wrote:

  
  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] feedburner media urls with ?d=

true.but it would be so simple if redirect urls with parameters just added a file extension parameter at the end as well. that would be a friendlier approach. RSS aggregation of item enclosures were intended to be the actual direct url to media file. But, I suppose you cannot get around these redirects and url params on the enclosures for these tracking purposes and whatever else.
Problem also is, i've seen redirect urls that do not hold proper header data and no reference to filename is url. This is just yet another standards issue. I did note that feedburner was not technically doing anything 'wrong' but its definately an annoyance one resolvable by simply adding the filename with extension at the end of the url string. why is that not less acceptable?
Regardless, I will use http check and hope that most cases actually have proper header info on the file. no guarantees there but at least feedburner is doing it right. sull
On 3/16/06, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:17:15 +0100, Michael Sullivan[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ie. http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms.mp4?d=25
via: http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms This feed doesnt work in FireAnt or any aggregator that currently uses typical file extention detection of media format (since often mime types
in feeds are not accurate). Should'nt we get feedburner to modify it so its more cross-compatible (such as ending the url with .ext)?This is annoying and even though not
technically wrong to do on feedburner's part, they should have taken this issue into consideration before breaking direct media urls like this.I dont want to write new code to handle 'special' direct media url formats.
The file name still has a .mp4 extenstion. The ?id=25 is the query string.Without knowing for sure I'm guessing that FireANT fails because itdoesn't follow redirects (the URL responds with a 302 header that points
to the original video URL.So Feedburner has a correct filename ending in .mp4 and they are evensending the correct mime type (video/mp4). If an aggregator doesn't workwith these URLs the aggregator needs to use a proper HTTP library. Setting
up limitations like video files must have a file extension and youcannot use redirects are more than a little silly.This isn't a case of having to write special software to handle these
special URLs. These are normal URLs and if the software was using HTTPcorrectly (following redirects, breaking apart filename from query stringbefore checking for file extension) there would be no problems.
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Re: [videoblogging] feedburner media urls with ?d=

Could you give me a RSS URL that uses this?
I have never encountered this issue here. We should still be able to
download the files using that URL convention.

-Josh


On 3/16/06, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:17:15 +0100, Michael Sullivan
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  ie. http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms.mp4?d=25
  via:
  http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms
 
  This feed doesnt work in FireAnt or any aggregator that currently uses
  typical file extention detection of media format (since often mime types
  in
  feeds are not accurate).
 
  Should'nt we get feedburner to modify it so its more cross-compatible
  (such
  as ending the url with .ext)?  This is annoying and even though not
  technically wrong to do on feedburner's part, they should have taken this
  issue into consideration before breaking direct media urls like this.  I
  dont want to write new code to handle 'special' direct media url formats.

 The file name still has a .mp4 extenstion. The ?id=25 is the query string.
 Without knowing for sure I'm guessing that FireANT fails because it
 doesn't follow redirects (the URL responds with a 302 header that points
 to the original video URL.

 So Feedburner has a correct filename ending in .mp4 and they are even
 sending the correct mime type (video/mp4). If an aggregator doesn't work
 with these URLs the aggregator needs to use a proper HTTP library. Setting
 up limitations like video files must have a file extension and you
 cannot use redirects are more than a little silly.

 This isn't a case of having to write special software to handle these
 special URLs. These are normal URLs and if the software was using HTTP
 correctly (following redirects, breaking apart filename from query string
 before checking for file extension) there would be no problems.

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Re: [videoblogging] feedburner media urls with ?d=




I was concerned about letting feedburner alter my links, but in the end I agree with Andreas. The file urls still end with the proper extensions. There is simply a query string on the url as well.I dont pretent to know whatever language it is your coding in, but in the languages I've used it's pretty easy to get the requested file name and extension from a url even if there are a bunch of query string variables at the end. Is that an option? Or, you could just check the extension after following any redirects. (although ideally you would not consider query strings as part of the file name even for a 200 http response).
- Dave-- http://www.DavidMeade.com
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correctly (following redirects, breaking apart filename from query stringbefore checking for file extension) there would be no problems.






  
  
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[videoblogging] Re: another service added to test page

Good idea and implementation.  

Where does one add suggestions for services to review?  Perhaps a page
for suggestions?

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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Follow up:
 
 We've finished moving Dierdré's content over to a subdomain of
loadedpun.com:
 http://www.testinggrounds.loadedpun.com/ (feed:
 http://feeds.feedburner.com/TestingGrounds)
 
 You can add comments to the reviews and subscribe to the comments as
 well as the site's feed.
 
 Come share any experiences that you have had with the services or send
 us information about a service that we don't have listed so we can add
 it.
 
 Consider it a 'liviing' site that we all can add to.
 
 On 3/8/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  fyi, in the next week or so, the information that Dierdré was kind
  enough to compile will be broken out into individual pages (with
  comments) on a sub site of loadedpun.com.  This will (hopefully)
  encourage some commenting by users and providers to enrich the
  services and help them grow.
 
  There will be a feed available, etc.  This is a really great idea that
  Dierdré has come up with for people that are new to it and we hope to
  add to it a bit.
 
  On 3/8/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Would someone good at this stuff (hint, I'm not) kindly place
Dierdré's
   demo page link on the relevant pages so n00bs can see what's what.
   Anyone hosting sites that thinks it would be beneficial to n00bs
please
   have a look and see if you would like to add.
  
   http://beginningwithi.com/vlog/test.html
  
  
   cheers
   r
  
  
   On Mar 8, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Deirdre Straughan wrote:
  
   
   
On 3/8/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
Is the link to your page now in the wiki and on freevlog (etc.)?
Not that I'm aware of, feel free to add it! What little time
I've had
for this project has been absorbed in just signing up for the
various
services and getting my video in there. I'm glad Devlon
offered to do
the comments piece!
   
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Re: [videoblogging] feedburner media urls with ?d=

http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms.mp4?d=25is a redirect for:
http://www.cinemabank.co.uk/spainful/MP4/fashion05POD.mp4what would be wrong with this format instead?http://feeds.feedburner.com/
spainfulfilms?d=25file=fashion05POD.mp4
On 3/16/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
true.but it would be so simple if redirect urls with parameters just added a file extension parameter at the end as well. that would be a friendlier approach. RSS aggregation of item enclosures were intended to be the actual direct url to media file. But, I suppose you cannot get around these redirects and url params on the enclosures for these tracking purposes and whatever else.
Problem also is, i've seen redirect urls that do not hold proper header data and no reference to filename is url. This is just yet another standards issue. I did note that feedburner was not technically doing anything 'wrong' but its definately an annoyance one resolvable by simply adding the filename with extension at the end of the url string. why is that not less acceptable?
Regardless, I will use http check and hope that most cases actually have proper header info on the file. no guarantees there but at least feedburner is doing it right. sull

On 3/16/06, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:17:15 +0100, Michael Sullivan[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ie.
http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms.mp4?d=25
via: http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms This feed doesnt work in FireAnt or any aggregator that currently uses
typical file extention detection of media format (since often mime types
in feeds are not accurate). Should'nt we get feedburner to modify it so its more cross-compatible (such as ending the url with .ext)?This is annoying and even though not

technically wrong to do on feedburner's part, they should have taken this issue into consideration before breaking direct media urls like this.I dont want to write new code to handle 'special' direct media url formats.
The file name still has a .mp4 extenstion. The ?id=25 is the query string.Without knowing for sure I'm guessing that FireANT fails because itdoesn't follow redirects (the URL responds with a 302 header that points
to the original video URL.So Feedburner has a correct filename ending in .mp4 and they are evensending the correct mime type (video/mp4). If an aggregator doesn't workwith these URLs the aggregator needs to use a proper HTTP library. Setting
up limitations like video files must have a file extension and youcannot use redirects are more than a little silly.This isn't a case of having to write special software to handle these
special URLs. These are normal URLs and if the software was using HTTPcorrectly (following redirects, breaking apart filename from query stringbefore checking for file extension) there would be no problems.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: pointing feed to a blogger page vs. web-page?

2006-03-16 Thread Markus Sandy







as with most things, if you use your own site, you generally get more
control but also more responsibility

you can put your chicklet anywhere you think it will do you some good
(including the bottom of your email)

blogspot is free and so it's popular

many folks here also use other services like typepad and others

many host their own blogs with tools like wordpress and others

sometimes people use blogs just to get the feeds. that is, they post
to a blog only to use the feed somewhere else. in this case they may
not even care what the blog looks like.

for example, someone might already have an existing web page where they
have been posting a weekly video (i.e., plain old video on the web) and
now they want to add a feed to that page. One way to do it would be to
start posting each video's (hopefully unique) url in a blog in order to
get a feed (for feedburner or whatever) and display that on the
original video page in order to create a 'videocast'

so it's doable, but personally i don't care for sites like that. i
prefer vlogs, because generally there is more than just video and a
feed (i.e., conversation).

your choice of course. in fact you can even skip the whole "blog"
thing if you like and just update (by hand) a simple rss file that is
hosted on your own site, just as you would any html page (i.e., edit
it).

btw, i don't generally find much difference between the time it takes
to upload a video and update a page on my own site versus creating a
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OK, i guess the keep-it-simple rule applies here on the
forum,
  since i didn't get any replies from my kinda lengthy post
yesterday
  (I think i figured out the diff between embedding and enclosures
on my own...)
  but 2 simple questions remain:
  
  
  
are there any drawbacks to using one's
own site for vodcasting, as opposed to vlogging via a blogspot page?


  
  
  
ie) IF its possible to put up the XML subscription chicklet on one's
own webpage, then i'm wondering what functional differences there might
be? forgive my ignorance, but is there a sizable contingency of
bloggers doing this, or is it an against-the-grain minority?I suppose
i'd just have to surf out there to see, but i haven't had a chance to
peruse too many vlogs unfortunately...(my web connection has been
mostlylimited to either cellphone when i'm in my RV, or sketchy web
cafes when i'm traveling outside the country brazil currently...
and that's part of the reason i'd ideally construct my vlog offline,
and then just upload when i got to a web connection... vs. step by step
posting in some expensive web cafe). thanks to anyone who could lend
their experience and advise me.
  
  
  
  
i'd like to only have to maintain ONE
space where people can subscribe to my videos, if possible.
and i think I'd prefer that it be my own
site's video page, as opposed to a blogger vlog...
or perhaps maintaining the 2 could be
somewhat automated...?
ie) if my site's video page could be
'fed' the videos (somehow thru RSS?) as they're added to my blogger
page?
  
  ...have my site's video page "subscribe" to
my blogger page's videos and update accordingly... now that'd be
great!
  
 hoping someone could please let me
know if this is feasible or even possible to do.
  
  
  
and IF this is a relatively common technique, then i'd surely
appreciate any URLs which demonstrate good examples of this... thanks!
  
  
  
  
  
  
ANY and ALL advice appreciated... thanks much
Vlog on,
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Re: [videoblogging] feedburner media urls with ?d=

Just to reiterate... I believe these URLs work as expected in FireAnt. Please send me an RSS feed that uses this option in Feedburner so I can double check. Thanks.-JoshOn 3/16/06,
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: another service added to test page




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Good idea and implementation. Thanks! 

Where does one add suggestions for services to review? Perhaps a page
for suggestions?There's blurb about how to do that in the preable on the main page. I will have to make that more obvious. Thanks for the feedback!

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 Follow up:
 
 We've finished moving Dierdré's content over to a subdomain of
loadedpun.com:
 http://www.testinggrounds.loadedpun.com/ (feed:
 http://feeds.feedburner.com/TestingGrounds)
 
 You can add comments to the reviews and subscribe to the comments as
 well as the site's feed.
 
 Come share any experiences that you have had with the services or send
 us information about a service that we don't have listed so we can add
 it.
 
 Consider it a 'liviing' site that we all can add to.
 
 On 3/8/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  fyi, in the next week or so, the information that Dierdré was kind
  enough to compile will be broken out into individual pages (with
  comments) on a sub site of loadedpun.com. This will (hopefully)
  encourage some commenting by users and providers to enrich the
  services and help them grow.
 
  There will be a feed available, etc. This is a really great idea that
  Dierdré has come up with for people that are new to it and we hope to
  add to it a bit.
 
  On 3/8/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Would someone good at this stuff (hint, I'm not) kindly place
Dierdré's
   demo page link on the relevant pages so n00bs can see what's what.
   Anyone hosting sites that thinks it would be beneficial to n00bs
please
   have a look and see if you would like to add.
  
   http://beginningwithi.com/vlog/test.html
  
  
   cheers
   r
  
  
   On Mar 8, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Deirdre Straughan wrote:
  
   
   
On 3/8/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
Is the link to your page now in the wiki and on freevlog (etc.)?
Not that I'm aware of, feel free to add it! What little time
I've had
for this project has been absorbed in just signing up for the
various
services and getting my video in there. I'm glad Devlon
offered to do
the comments piece!
   
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[videoblogging] Re: The Ointment

Impressive background, Steve... I love the end of your bio... my
appartment is being overrun by equipment these days, it's turning into
a studio as well (I'm even thinking of getting rid of furniture that's
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 On 3/16/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Good idea and implementation.
 
 
 Thanks!
 
 Where does one add suggestions for services to review?  Perhaps a page
  for suggestions?
 
 
 There's  blurb about how to do that in the preable on the main page.
 I will
 have to make that more obvious.

Yea, I just skimmed the page and didn't notice it.  But wouldn't it be
worthwhile to have a separate page for suggestions, not just sending
emails and comments randomly on review pages?  Then people could see
what others suggested, get ideas from that and not send suggestions
that where already sent.

  -- Enric
 
 Thanks for the feedback!
 
 
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  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon duthied@ wrote:
  
   Follow up:
  
   We've finished moving Dierdré's content over to a subdomain of
  loadedpun.com:
   http://www.testinggrounds.loadedpun.com/ (feed:
  
http://feeds.feedburner.com/TestingGrounds)http://feeds.feedburner.com/TestingGrounds%29
  
   You can add comments to the reviews and subscribe to the comments as
   well as the site's feed.
  
   Come share any experiences that you have had with the services
or send
   us information about a service that we don't have listed so we
can add
   it.
  
   Consider it a 'liviing' site that we all can add to.
  
   On 3/8/06, Devlon duthied@ wrote:
fyi, in the next week or so, the information that Dierdré was kind
enough to compile will be broken out into individual pages (with
comments) on a sub site of loadedpun.com.  This will (hopefully)
encourage some commenting by users and providers to enrich the
services and help them grow.
   
There will be a feed available, etc.  This is a really great
idea that
Dierdré has come up with for people that are new to it and we
hope to
add to it a bit.
   
On 3/8/06, robert a/k/a r robert.videoblogging@ wrote:
 Would someone good at this stuff (hint, I'm not) kindly place
  Dierdré's
 demo page link on the relevant pages so n00bs can see what's
what.
 Anyone hosting sites that thinks it would be beneficial to n00bs
  please
 have a look and see if you would like to add.

 http://beginningwithi.com/vlog/test.html


 cheers
 r


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  On 3/8/06, robert a/k/a r robert.videoblogging@ wrote:
 
  Is the link to your page now in the wiki and on freevlog
(etc.)?
  Not that I'm aware of, feel free to add it! What little time
  I've had
  for this project has been absorbed in just signing up for the
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  offered to do
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: pointing feed to a blogger page vs. web-page?




Sure, you can use things other than blogger. Lots of people use word press and it's a really nice blogging tool you can use on your own site. It (and other blogging apps) will generally generate your RSS feed for you as well.
As for embeding the video to be played within the webpage, there are several ways to do this. One great tool is this little script that will generate the embed code for you. 
http://embedthevideo.com/ (created by Joshua Kinberg). This tool will give you the code to use in your blog to allow for a pop-up player to apear with the embeded video, while still providing a direct link to the movie on the main page. (which is what most systems will search for when trying to automatically add enclosures)
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Re: [videoblogging] feedburner media urls with ?d=

my problem is just because i technically can figure out the media format by taking the scenic route, why shouldnt a redirect url to a media file frickn include the media file name in it as well and make life easier for everyone. no?
to me, this url is silly. it includes a fake filename based on the channel name and file extension. yes, more silly than my expectation of such urls following a logical standard. i dont care if i can technically 'handle' a redirect or reading header info to load a proper media player. i shouldnt have to care if other services are not caring about preserving logic in an enclosure url. whats the difference?
this url is stupid and self serving.http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms.mp4?d=25
this url is logical and cross-compatible
http://www.cinemabank.co.uk/spainful/MP4/fashion05POD.mp4let's argue that point, and put the technical feasibility to the side for now.anyone have an opinion on this?sull
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http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms.mp4?d=25is a redirect for:

http://www.cinemabank.co.uk/spainful/MP4/fashion05POD.mp4what would be wrong with this format instead?
http://feeds.feedburner.com/
spainfulfilms?d=25file=fashion05POD.mp4
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true.but it would be so simple if redirect urls with parameters just added a file extension parameter at the end as well. that would be a friendlier approach. RSS aggregation of item enclosures were intended to be the actual direct url to media file. But, I suppose you cannot get around these redirects and url params on the enclosures for these tracking purposes and whatever else.
Problem also is, i've seen redirect urls that do not hold proper header data and no reference to filename is url. This is just yet another standards issue. I did note that feedburner was not technically doing anything 'wrong' but its definately an annoyance one resolvable by simply adding the filename with extension at the end of the url string. why is that not less acceptable?
Regardless, I will use http check and hope that most cases actually have proper header info on the file. no guarantees there but at least feedburner is doing it right. sull

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Re: [videoblogging] feedburner media urls with ?d=

edit:this url is logical and cross-compatible

http://feeds.feedburner.com/
spainfulfilms?d=25file=fashion05POD.mp4
On 3/16/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
my problem is just because i technically can figure out the media format by taking the scenic route, why shouldnt a redirect url to a media file frickn include the media file name in it as well and make life easier for everyone. no?
to me, this url is silly. it includes a fake filename based on the channel name and file extension. yes, more silly than my expectation of such urls following a logical standard. i dont care if i can technically 'handle' a redirect or reading header info to load a proper media player. i shouldnt have to care if other services are not caring about preserving logic in an enclosure url. whats the difference?
this url is stupid and self serving.
http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms.mp4?d=25
this url is logical and cross-compatible

http://www.cinemabank.co.uk/spainful/MP4/fashion05POD.mp4let's argue that point, and put the technical feasibility to the side for now.anyone have an opinion on this?
sull
On 3/16/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms.mp4?d=25is a redirect for:

http://www.cinemabank.co.uk/spainful/MP4/fashion05POD.mp4what would be wrong with this format instead?

http://feeds.feedburner.com/
spainfulfilms?d=25file=fashion05POD.mp4
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true.but it would be so simple if redirect urls with parameters just added a file extension parameter at the end as well. that would be a friendlier approach. RSS aggregation of item enclosures were intended to be the actual direct url to media file. But, I suppose you cannot get around these redirects and url params on the enclosures for these tracking purposes and whatever else.
Problem also is, i've seen redirect urls that do not hold proper header data and no reference to filename is url. This is just yet another standards issue. I did note that feedburner was not technically doing anything 'wrong' but its definately an annoyance one resolvable by simply adding the filename with extension at the end of the url string. why is that not less acceptable?
Regardless, I will use http check and hope that most cases actually have proper header info on the file. no guarantees there but at least feedburner is doing it right. sull

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Re: [videoblogging] feedburner media urls with ?d=

josh, i did in my message. i have been referring to this example:http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms
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Could you give me a RSS URL that uses this?I have never encountered this issue here. We should still be able todownload the files using that URL convention.-JoshOn 3/16/06, Andreas Haugstrup
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ie. http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms.mp4?d=25 via:
http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms This feed doesnt work in FireAnt or any aggregator that currently uses typical file extention detection of media format (since often mime types
in feeds are not accurate). Should'nt we get feedburner to modify it so its more cross-compatible (such as ending the url with .ext)?This is annoying and even though not
technically wrong to do on feedburner's part, they should have taken this issue into consideration before breaking direct media urls like this.I dont want to write new code to handle 'special' direct media url formats.
The file name still has a .mp4 extenstion. The ?id=25 is the query string. Without knowing for sure I'm guessing that FireANT fails because it doesn't follow redirects (the URL responds with a 302 header that points
to the original video URL. So Feedburner has a correct filename ending in .mp4 and they are even sending the correct mime type (video/mp4). If an aggregator doesn't work with these URLs the aggregator needs to use a proper HTTP library. Setting
up limitations like video files must have a file extension and you cannot use redirects are more than a little silly. This isn't a case of having to write special software to handle these
special URLs. These are normal URLs and if the software was using HTTP correctly (following redirects, breaking apart filename from query string before checking for file extension) there would be no problems.
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Re: [videoblogging] feedburner media urls with ?d=




David,I know, you are correct. I am not going to argue that frome a technical point of view, these urls can be handled by media aggreators. I want to debate now whether services like feedburner or any other that alters actual enclosure urls should follow some sort of standard or not.
What do you think? On 3/16/06, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I was concerned about letting feedburner alter my links, but in the end I agree with Andreas. The file urls still end with the proper extensions. There is simply a query string on the url as well.I dont pretent to know whatever language it is your coding in, but in the languages I've used it's pretty easy to get the requested file name and extension from a url even if there are a bunch of query string variables at the end. Is that an option? Or, you could just check the extension after following any redirects. (although ideally you would not consider query strings as part of the file name even for a 200 http response).
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On 3/16/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Could you give me a RSS URL that uses this?
I have never encountered this issue here. We should still be able todownload the files using that URL convention.My feed recently updated to this sytesm:
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less acceptable? Actually ideally both would happen so that all parties are trying to be as widely useable as possible. I guess my thought is having feedburner do this as a fix is less acceptable because it only 'fixes' one feed source (that wasnt really doing anything wrong anyway) ... there are bound to be others and more and more and more in the future. Ideally, aggrigators would correctly recognize what part of the url is a filename and what part is a query string (and correctly follow redirects before bothering with any of that)






  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Top Ten Vlogging Mistakes

Better to be a smartass than a dumbass.

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[videoblogging] Remix software

What do you use for your remixes?

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Re: [videoblogging] feedburner media urls with ?d=




Well, on one hand ... If I were feedburner I probably would have put filename=origional_file.mov at the end. Just make sure they werent going to break any systems already in place. I agree with you there, it seems a simple safe guard for backward compatability.
On the other hand ... They're feed makers not really feed aggregators ... It's possible it just never occured to them that some systems might not be acting on the acrual filename but rather a larger portion of the url. 
I'm not sure the url system they've used is any more 'silly' than it is to expect them to tack on a query string variable they dont actually need to recieve in order to provide the media.All that being said, yeah I think it would be great if some standard could be agreed upon such that enclosure redirects should always end with the filename ... why not? Some may chose to use an ending variable such as filename=origional_file.ext or some might use a more fancy redirect like 
http://redirecting-service.com/user/filename.ext ... Dont see how such a standard could be a bad thing.Is this something that microformats might be able to provide?
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Re: [videoblogging] feedburner media urls with ?d=




I agree with your response.To me, it's not about knowing whether or not I can problem solve such things.Its about Why should I have to?Same applies to iTunes xml, in particular the channel image reference.
If developers constantly say... oh well, i guess i should adapt to the latest concoction of whatever then the shit never ends. if standards are held up, respected and created when logic demands it, then at the end of the day, things are just better!
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Well, on one hand ... If I were feedburner I probably would have put filename=origional_file.mov at the end. Just make sure they werent going to break any systems already in place. I agree with you there, it seems a simple safe guard for backward compatability.
On the other hand ... They're feed makers not really feed aggregators ... It's possible it just never occured to them that some systems might not be acting on the acrual filename but rather a larger portion of the url. 
I'm not sure the url system they've used is any more 'silly' than it is to expect them to tack on a query string variable they dont actually need to recieve in order to provide the media.All that being said, yeah I think it would be great if some standard could be agreed upon such that enclosure redirects should always end with the filename ... why not? Some may chose to use an ending variable such as filename=origional_file.ext or some might use a more fancy redirect like 
http://redirecting-service.com/user/filename.ext ... Dont see how such a standard could be a bad thing.
Is this something that microformats might be able to provide?
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: another service added to test page

On 3/16/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

There's blurb about how to do that in the preable on the main page.
I will
have to make that more obvious.

Yea, I just skimmed the page and didn't notice it. But wouldn't it be
worthwhile to have a separate page for suggestions, not just sending
emails and comments randomly on review pages? Then people could see
what others suggested, get ideas from that and not send suggestions
that where already sent.Hm...good point, we could have a page where people could suggest a site, and once the site had been suggested and added, that could be updated to point to the review.
A sticky post might do in this case I think. I could move the pre-amble stuff to a sticky post and that way people could leave a comment to suggest a site, then once the site had been reviewed, a comment could be posted by us to point to the review.

-- Enric

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Follow up:

We've finished moving Dierdré's content over to a subdomain of
loadedpun.com:
http://www.testinggrounds.loadedpun.com/ (feed:

http://feeds.feedburner.com/TestingGrounds)
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Come share any experiences that you have had with the services
or send
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it.

Consider it a 'liviing' site that we all can add to.

On 3/8/06, Devlon duthied@ wrote:
fyi, in the next week or so, the information that Dierdré was kind
enough to compile will be broken out into individual pages (with
comments) on a sub site of loadedpun.com. This will (hopefully)
encourage some commenting by users and providers to enrich the
services and help them grow.

There will be a feed available, etc. This is a really great
idea that
Dierdré has come up with for people that are new to it and we
hope to
add to it a bit.

On 3/8/06, robert a/k/a r robert.videoblogging@ wrote:
Would someone good at this stuff (hint, I'm not) kindly place
Dierdré's
demo page link on the relevant pages so n00bs can see what's
what.
Anyone hosting sites that thinks it would be beneficial to n00bs
please
have a look and see if you would like to add.

http://beginningwithi.com/vlog/test.html

cheers
r

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On 3/8/06, robert a/k/a r robert.videoblogging@ wrote:

Is the link to your page now in the wiki and on freevlog
(etc.)?
Not that I'm aware of, feel free to add it! What little time
I've had
for this project has been absorbed in just signing up for the
various
services and getting my video in there. I'm glad Devlon
offered to do
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Re: [videoblogging] feedburner media urls with ?d=

 this url is logical and cross-compatible
   http://feeds.feedburner.com/ spainfulfilms?d=25file=fashion05POD.mp4

I agree with this. If the file is not a real file but rather a
redirect then it shouldn't have a file extension like .mp4.

Not to mention the current way Feedburner has it set up, it looks like
each enclosure is actually the same file (i.e. spainfulfilems.mp4). If
the URL were like the one above then there would be a lot less
confusion IMHO.

-Josh


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edit:



 this url is logical and cross-compatible
   http://feeds.feedburner.com/ spainfulfilms?d=25file=fashion05POD.mp4




 On 3/16/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  my problem is
  just because i technically can figure out the media format by taking the 
  scenic route, why shouldnt a redirect url to a media file frickn include 
  the media file name in it as well and make life easier for everyone.  no?
  to me, this url is silly.  it includes a fake filename based on the channel 
  name and file extension.  yes, more silly than my expectation of such urls 
  following a logical standard.  i dont care if i can technically 'handle' a 
  redirect or reading header info to load a proper media player. i 
  shouldnt have to care if other services are not caring about preserving 
  logic in an enclosure url.  whats the difference?
 
  this url is stupid and self serving.
 
 
   http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms.mp4?d=25
 
 
  this url is logical and cross-compatible
 
 
http://www.cinemabank.co.uk/spainful/MP4/fashion05POD.mp4
 
 
  let's argue that point, and put the technical feasibility to the side for 
  now.
 
  anyone have an opinion on this?
 
  sull
 
 
 
   On 3/16/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  
  
 http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms.mp4?d=25
  
   is a redirect for:
  http://www.cinemabank.co.uk/spainful/MP4/fashion05POD.mp4
  
   what would be wrong with this format instead?
  
 http://feeds.feedburner.com/ spainfulfilms?d=25file=fashion05POD.mp4
  
  
  
  
   On 3/16/06, Michael Sullivan   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
true.
but it would be so simple if redirect urls with parameters just added a 
file extension parameter at the end as well. that would be a friendlier 
approach.
RSS aggregation of item enclosures were intended to be the actual 
direct url to media file.  But, I suppose you cannot get around these 
redirects and url params on the enclosures for these tracking 
purposes and whatever else.
   
Problem also is, i've seen redirect urls that do not hold proper header 
data and no reference to filename is url. This is just yet another 
standards issue.
   
I did note that feedburner was not technically doing anything 'wrong' 
but its definately an annoyance one resolvable by simply adding the 
filename with extension at the end of the url string.  why is that not 
less acceptable?
   
Regardless, I will use http check and hope that most cases actually 
have proper header info on the file.  no guarantees there but at least 
feedburner is doing it right.
   
sull
   
   
   
   
 On 3/16/06, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:17:15 +0100, Michael Sullivan
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  ie.  http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms.mp4?d=25
  via:
  http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms
 
  This feed doesnt work in FireAnt or any aggregator that currently 
  uses
  typical file extention detection of media format (since often mime 
  types
  in
  feeds are not accurate).
 
  Should'nt we get feedburner to modify it so its more 
  cross-compatible
  (such
  as ending the url with .ext)?  This is annoying and even though not
   technically wrong to do on feedburner's part, they should have 
 taken this
  issue into consideration before breaking direct media urls like 
  this.  I
  dont want to write new code to handle 'special' direct media url 
  formats.

 The file name still has a .mp4 extenstion. The ?id=25 is the query 
 string.
 Without knowing for sure I'm guessing that FireANT fails because it
 doesn't follow redirects (the URL responds with a 302 header that 
 points
 to the original video URL.

 So Feedburner has a correct filename ending in .mp4 and they are even
 sending the correct mime type (video/mp4). If an aggregator doesn't 
 work
 with these URLs the aggregator needs to use a proper HTTP library. 
 Setting
 up limitations like video files must have a file extension and you
 cannot use redirects are more than a little silly.

 This isn't a case of having to write special software to handle these
 special URLs. These are normal URLs and if the software was using HTTP
 correctly

[videoblogging] Re: another service added to test page

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 3/16/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
   There's  blurb about how to do that in the preable on the main page.
  I will
   have to make that more obvious.
 
  Yea, I just skimmed the page and didn't notice it.  But wouldn't it be
  worthwhile to have a separate page for suggestions, not just sending
  emails and comments randomly on review pages?  Then people could see
  what others suggested, get ideas from that and not send suggestions
  that where already sent.
 
 
 Hm...good point, we could have a page where people could suggest a
site, and
 once the site had been suggested and added, that could be updated to
point
 to the review.
 
 A sticky post might do in this case I think.  I could move the pre-amble
 stuff to a sticky post and that way people could leave a comment to
suggest
 a site, then once the site had been reviewed, a comment could be
posted by
 us to point to the review.

Cool, I think that would work well.

   ;)


 
 
   -- Enric
 
  
   Thanks for the feedback!
  
  
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http://utilities.cinegage.com
   
   
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon duthied@ wrote:

 Follow up:

 We've finished moving Dierdré's content over to a subdomain of
loadedpun.com:
 http://www.testinggrounds.loadedpun.com/ (feed:

 
http://feeds.feedburner.com/TestingGrounds)http://feeds.feedburner.com/TestingGrounds%29
  http://feeds.feedburner.com/TestingGrounds%29
 

 You can add comments to the reviews and subscribe to the
comments as
 well as the site's feed.

 Come share any experiences that you have had with the services
  or send
 us information about a service that we don't have listed so we
  can add
 it.

 Consider it a 'liviing' site that we all can add to.

 On 3/8/06, Devlon duthied@ wrote:
  fyi, in the next week or so, the information that Dierdré
was kind
  enough to compile will be broken out into individual pages
(with
  comments) on a sub site of loadedpun.com.  This will
(hopefully)
  encourage some commenting by users and providers to enrich the
  services and help them grow.
 
  There will be a feed available, etc.  This is a really great
  idea that
  Dierdré has come up with for people that are new to it and we
  hope to
  add to it a bit.
 
  On 3/8/06, robert a/k/a r robert.videoblogging@ wrote:
   Would someone good at this stuff (hint, I'm not) kindly
place
Dierdré's
   demo page link on the relevant pages so n00bs can see what's
  what.
   Anyone hosting sites that thinks it would be beneficial
to n00bs
please
   have a look and see if you would like to add.
  
   http://beginningwithi.com/vlog/test.html
  
  
   cheers
   r
  
  
   On Mar 8, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Deirdre Straughan wrote:
  
   
   
On 3/8/06, robert a/k/a r robert.videoblogging@ wrote:
   
Is the link to your page now in the wiki and on freevlog
  (etc.)?
Not that I'm aware of, feel free to add it! What
little time
I've had
for this project has been absorbed in just signing up
for the
various
services and getting my video in there. I'm glad Devlon
offered to do
the comments piece!
   
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Remix software

2006-03-16 Thread Josh Leo




imovieOn 3/16/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: [videoblogging] feedburner media urls with ?d=

Josh, i tried it in version 1.0.1.72error message was:fireant was unable to recognize any media files in this enclosure etc...
On 3/16/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could you give me a RSS URL that uses this?I have never encountered this issue here. We should still be able todownload the files using that URL convention.-JoshOn 3/16/06, Andreas Haugstrup
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ie. http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms.mp4?d=25 via:
http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms This feed doesnt work in FireAnt or any aggregator that currently uses typical file extention detection of media format (since often mime types
in feeds are not accurate). Should'nt we get feedburner to modify it so its more cross-compatible (such as ending the url with .ext)?This is annoying and even though not
technically wrong to do on feedburner's part, they should have taken this issue into consideration before breaking direct media urls like this.I dont want to write new code to handle 'special' direct media url formats.
The file name still has a .mp4 extenstion. The ?id=25 is the query string. Without knowing for sure I'm guessing that FireANT fails because it doesn't follow redirects (the URL responds with a 302 header that points
to the original video URL. So Feedburner has a correct filename ending in .mp4 and they are even sending the correct mime type (video/mp4). If an aggregator doesn't work with these URLs the aggregator needs to use a proper HTTP library. Setting
up limitations like video files must have a file extension and you cannot use redirects are more than a little silly. This isn't a case of having to write special software to handle these
special URLs. These are normal URLs and if the software was using HTTP correctly (following redirects, breaking apart filename from query string before checking for file extension) there would be no problems.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: another service added to test page

2006-03-16 Thread robert a/k/a r

Yet another hosting service:

http://www.vmix.com/


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 Hm...good point, we could have a page where people could suggest a 
 site, and once the site had been suggested and added, that could be 
 updated to point to the review.

 A sticky post might do in this case I think.  I could move the 
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[videoblogging] more on remixes and collaborations

Also, and I know these are the bonehead questions, but trust me, it's
for a good cause.

Besides this list, where do you find out about collaborative projects?
Not specifically remixes, but rather the kinds of things where people
are looking for a specific type of clip. Viral (i.e., someone asks in
a vlog or blog and others respond)? Personal invite (friends inviting
friends)? Is there a wiki or web page somewhere where people announce
these things?

I know the answer will probably be all of the above, but feel free
to share your experiences. If I mention your collaboration experience
in the book, you get a shout-out in the acknowledgements, which is
kinda cool.

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Re: [videoblogging] feedburner media urls with ?d=

Ideally, aggrigators would correctly recognize what part of the url is
a filename and what part is a query string (and correctly follow
redirects before bothering with any of that)right, that would be ideal but it can get messy. and if i wanted to display the filename by pulling it out of such a url, in the feedburner case... the filename is fake (
channelname.ext). anyway, i just added quick fix based on mime-type from the RSS.which is another chaotic mess!! totally not reliable.ie. to initiate Quicktime... i'm checking for one of the following:
video/quicktime video/mov video/mp4v video/mp4 video/x-mp4 video/x-m4v video/m4v video/3gpp2
video/3gpp video/mpeg video/avithis is what I use in my vodcast playlist generator which uses SMIL/QT.am I missing any :) where is the best master list of media mime types?
At least feeds like spainful films now work -http://vlogdir.com/permalink/1663but i'll try to get http library implemented. know of any good php for this?
sullOn 3/16/06, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 3/16/06, Joshua Kinberg
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I have never encountered this issue here. We should still be able todownload the files using that URL convention.My feed recently updated to this sytesm:

http://www.davidmeade.com/feed
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I did note that feedburner was not technically doing anything 'wrong'
but its definately an annoyance one resolvable by simply adding the
filename with extension at the end of the url string. why is that not
less acceptable? Actually ideally both would happen so that all parties are trying to be as widely useable as possible. I guess my thought is having feedburner do this as a fix is less acceptable because it only 'fixes' one feed source (that wasnt really doing anything wrong anyway) ... there are bound to be others and more and more and more in the future. Ideally, aggrigators would correctly recognize what part of the url is a filename and what part is a query string (and correctly follow redirects before bothering with any of that)

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[videoblogging] Re: more on remixes and collaborations

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant
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 Also, and I know these are the bonehead questions, but trust me, it's
 for a good cause.
 
 Besides this list, where do you find out about collaborative projects?


Right now through this yahoo discussion group.  I think that's where I
found out about EvilVlog which I joined.  I'm registered on MySpace 
and YouTube, but haven't looked at how people connect and recommend
videos and projects.  The collaborative project I was on was the
Halloween videos (where I only offered a popular video -- not one I
did) and Carp Caviar.  It looks like Richard Show's Wife collab was
fun, wish I'd joined.

  -- Enric


 Not specifically remixes, but rather the kinds of things where people
 are looking for a specific type of clip. Viral (i.e., someone asks in
 a vlog or blog and others respond)? Personal invite (friends inviting
 friends)? Is there a wiki or web page somewhere where people announce
 these things?
 
 I know the answer will probably be all of the above, but feel free
 to share your experiences. If I mention your collaboration experience
 in the book, you get a shout-out in the acknowledgements, which is
 kinda cool.
 
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Re: [videoblogging] feedburner media urls with ?d=

You're correct. I just tried this feed and got the same error you describe. I thought we were handling this correctly, but I guess we are not. I'll have to add this to the list and hopefully it will be available for the next release in a few weeks.
But, as you suggested, I know URLs that end with a query like type=.mp4 work like a charm.-JoshOn 3/16/06, Michael Sullivan
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Josh, i tried it in version 1.0.1.72error message was:fireant was unable to recognize any media files in this enclosure etc...

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Could you give me a RSS URL that uses this?I have never encountered this issue here. We should still be able todownload the files using that URL convention.-JoshOn 3/16/06, Andreas Haugstrup
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ie. http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms.mp4?d=25 via:

http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms This feed doesnt work in FireAnt or any aggregator that currently uses typical file extention detection of media format (since often mime types
in feeds are not accurate). Should'nt we get feedburner to modify it so its more cross-compatible (such as ending the url with .ext)?This is annoying and even though not
technically wrong to do on feedburner's part, they should have taken this issue into consideration before breaking direct media urls like this.I dont want to write new code to handle 'special' direct media url formats.
The file name still has a .mp4 extenstion. The ?id=25 is the query string. Without knowing for sure I'm guessing that FireANT fails because it doesn't follow redirects (the URL responds with a 302 header that points
to the original video URL. So Feedburner has a correct filename ending in .mp4 and they are even sending the correct mime type (video/mp4). If an aggregator doesn't work with these URLs the aggregator needs to use a proper HTTP library. Setting
up limitations like video files must have a file extension and you cannot use redirects are more than a little silly. This isn't a case of having to write special software to handle these
special URLs. These are normal URLs and if the software was using HTTP correctly (following redirects, breaking apart filename from query string before checking for file extension) there would be no problems.
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Re: [videoblogging] feedburner media urls with ?d=

Actually Josh it does download. i saw the error message, but didnt click 'ok' to 'download anyway'. disregard.On 3/16/06, Michael Sullivan
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Re: [videoblogging] feedburner media urls with ?d=

yes and no... it downloads if you click ok to download anyway, but then it doesn't play once download has completed. Its definitely an issue on our end.-Josh
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Actually Josh it does download. i saw the error message, but didnt click 'ok' to 'download anyway'. disregard.
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Josh, i tried it in version 1.0.1.72error message was:fireant was unable to recognize any media files in this enclosure etc...

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Re: [videoblogging] more on remixes and collaborations




Yep, it's all for the book. Everything I do right now is largely for the book, in one way or another.

I figured the Y! group was the best way to invite collaboration.

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[videoblogging] Need a Few Good Videobloggers

2006-03-16 Thread ollogy

Hi there; we are looking for paid ($$) video bloggers from various
cities to conduct short video snippets on the job market in the
cities; ongoing content opportunity and a place to be seen; interview
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: The Ointment

2006-03-16 Thread Steve Tatham

Thanks for taking a look. I enjoyed the Kitkast! Maybe
yours should have a segment called The Ointment!
Steve

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Impressive background, Steve... I love the end of your
bio... my
appartment is being overrun by equipment these days,
it's turning into
a studio as well (I'm even thinking of getting rid of
furniture that's
'in the way').

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 Just joined and I would like to introduce myself. My
name is Steve
Tatham. I just started 
 doing a daily (5 days a week) three-minute fake news
show. The
broadcast is at 
 www.theointment.com And boy am I exhausted. I've
been working hard
on it and would love 
 to know what you guys think. I promised myself I'd
do this for one
year and see what the 
 reaction is. So far so good. (it's been three weeks)
Although I'm
overwhelmed by the technical 
 issues, I think it's getting better every day. If
you have any
feedback I'd be wide open to hear 
 it. That's how I've gotten this far. Thanks!
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Top Ten Vlogging Mistakes

2006-03-16 Thread Lisa Ours MA PLPC

I love it!  Maybe instead of ranting about our peeves we should actually 
vlog something on our peeves... Not just a I'm sitting in front of the 
camera bitching for 3 minutes (not that that can't be hilarious) but maybe 
something very creative and funny about how our pet peeves affect us and our 
lives... Sorry I'm babbling... back to my corner.

Lisa


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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:17:20 -0800

sh!  don't mention pets

that really peeves some folks on the list

some guy complained a while back about cat videos and Richard BF's been
uploading them ever since

;)


missbhavens1969 wrote:

 I don't suppose we could start a rant and peeve thread about rants and 
pet peeves?
 
 
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 http://missbhavens.blogspot.com
 
 -- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Lisa Ours MA PLPC 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 There there, it's not like we can't start another thread to rant and 
peeve
 on some other subject... It'll be allright.  Some people just don't get 
it
 
 Lisa
 
 
 
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 Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Top Ten Vlogging Mistakes
 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:52:22 -0800
 
 You really have no concept of the rants and pet peeves thread, do 
you?
 
 People like you spoil the fun for the rest of us.
 
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Top Ten Vlogging Mistakes

Hey,I'm back from SXSW. The Darknets panel was a good and touched on some of the copyright issues. Personally, I think a system where something like The Grey Album is illegal, doesn't work. Now the MPAA (they had a representative on the panel) and the RIAA still look at this as theft. As long as that's the case, things are not going to change. And they certainly won't listen to me as an individual on the issue. But if people in aggregate willfully disregard these laws where they're just plain stupid, I think, they'll be forced to come up with some sort of solution. Just as background - I come at this as an artist who very much respects people's right to get paid for their work and on the other hand I also believe that by contributing to and participating in culture (popular and otherwise) you give up total control over your work. A few years ago I made a short film about my brother and I playing Star Trek as kids (here's the link all you fellow Star Trek nerds:
http://www.michaelverdi.com/video/mjplaystartrek.mov ). I wrote to Paramount asking for the right to use the tricorder and transporter sounds. What I got back from them was a letter explaining how I could not use (with no option to license for a fee) those sounds along with the words Spock, Enterprise or Phaser. I just think that's complete bullshit. We didn't play Star Voyages as kids or run around with Quadcorders or something. It was Star Trek. Those are my memories and this film is my way of remembering. I don't really give a shit if you've trademarked that stuff - it's part of the culture and they've benefited from that by both ripping lots of others off in the ideas behind it and in the billions of dollars they've made because of it.
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Re: [videoblogging] more on remixes and collaborations

2006-03-16 Thread Josh Leo




so when do i get my royalties?On 3/16/06, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Yep, it's all for the book. Everything I do right now is largely for the book, in one way or another.

I figured the Y! group was the best way to invite collaboration.

--StephanieOn 3/16/06, Josh Leo 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Top Ten Vlogging Mistakes

Seriously. In the next vlog post I put up, I filmed a TV screen,
complete with flickering. Nothing artistic about it, either-- I
screwed up and didn't zoom in, even though I previewed the zoom and
everything.

Go me.

--Stephanie

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 I love it!  Maybe instead of ranting about our peeves we should actually
 vlog something on our peeves... Not just a I'm sitting in front of the
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 something very creative and funny about how our pet peeves affect us and our
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Re: [videoblogging] more on remixes and collaborations

dot dot dot

I don't even know if I'll ever see royalties, Josh. Writing a book makes less than minimum wage.

--Stephanie
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so when do i get my royalties?On 3/16/06, Stephanie Bryant
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Yep, it's all for the book. Everything I do right now is largely for the book, in one way or another.

I figured the Y! group was the best way to invite collaboration.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: another service added to test page




DoneOn 3/16/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 3/16/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
   There's blurb about how to do that in the preable on the main page.
  I will
   have to make that more obvious.
 
  Yea, I just skimmed the page and didn't notice it. But wouldn't it be
  worthwhile to have a separate page for suggestions, not just sending
  emails and comments randomly on review pages? Then people could see
  what others suggested, get ideas from that and not send suggestions
  that where already sent.
 
 
 Hm...good point, we could have a page where people could suggest a
site, and
 once the site had been suggested and added, that could be updated to
point
 to the review.
 
 A sticky post might do in this case I think. I could move the pre-amble
 stuff to a sticky post and that way people could leave a comment to
suggest
 a site, then once the site had been reviewed, a comment could be
posted by
 us to point to the review.

Cool, I think that would work well.

 ;)


 
 
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon duthied@ wrote:

 Follow up:

 We've finished moving Dierdré's content over to a subdomain of
loadedpun.com:
 http://www.testinggrounds.loadedpun.com/ (feed:

 
http://feeds.feedburner.com/TestingGrounds)
http://feeds.feedburner.com/TestingGrounds%29
  http://feeds.feedburner.com/TestingGrounds%29
 

 You can add comments to the reviews and subscribe to the
comments as
 well as the site's feed.

 Come share any experiences that you have had with the services
  or send
 us information about a service that we don't have listed so we
  can add
 it.

 Consider it a 'liviing' site that we all can add to.

 On 3/8/06, Devlon duthied@ wrote:
  fyi, in the next week or so, the information that Dierdré
was kind
  enough to compile will be broken out into individual pages
(with
  comments) on a sub site of loadedpun.com. This will
(hopefully)
  encourage some commenting by users and providers to enrich the
  services and help them grow.
 
  There will be a feed available, etc. This is a really great
  idea that
  Dierdré has come up with for people that are new to it and we
  hope to
  add to it a bit.
 
  On 3/8/06, robert a/k/a r robert.videoblogging@ wrote:
   Would someone good at this stuff (hint, I'm not) kindly
place
Dierdré's
   demo page link on the relevant pages so n00bs can see what's
  what.
   Anyone hosting sites that thinks it would be beneficial
to n00bs
please
   have a look and see if you would like to add.
  
   http://beginningwithi.com/vlog/test.html
  
  
   cheers
   r
  
  
   On Mar 8, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Deirdre Straughan wrote:
  
   
   
On 3/8/06, robert a/k/a r robert.videoblogging@ wrote:
   
Is the link to your page now in the wiki and on freevlog
  (etc.)?
Not that I'm aware of, feel free to add it! What
little time
I've had
for this project has been absorbed in just signing up
for the
various
services and getting my video in there. I'm glad Devlon
offered to do
the comments piece!
   
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Re: [videoblogging] feedburner media urls with ?d=

Joshua Kinberg wrote:
 Just to reiterate... I believe these URLs work as expected in FireAnt.
 Please send me an RSS feed that uses this option in Feedburner so I can
 double check. Thanks.

My feed has always been fine:

http://tinkernet.org/feed/

has enclosure links like so:

http://tinkernet.org/enclose.cgi/http://www.archive.org/download/Kid_Gymnastics/20060223kidgymnastics.mov

use curl -I on that and you get:

HTTP/1.1 302 Found
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:53:18 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.31 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.20 OpenSSL/0.9.7d mod_perl/1.29 
PHP/4.4.1
Location: 
http://www.archive.org/download/Kid_Gymnastics/20060223kidgymnastics.mov
Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1

use curl -I on the Location and you get:

HTTP/1.1 302 Found
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:53:25 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.33 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/5.0.4-0.4
X-Powered-By: PHP/5.0.4-0.4
Location: 
http://ia300113.us.archive.org/2/items/Kid_Gymnastics/20060223kidgymnastics.mov
Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1

which sends you the Location of the actual file, which you can then 
request... use curl -I on the Location and you get:

HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:55:32 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.33 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/5.0.4-0.7
Last-Modified: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:37:25 GMT
ETag: ee-e7823-43fd9e75
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 948259
Content-Type: video/quicktime

So FireAnt (and any other http client that does the right thing) should 
always get it...

I could have just as easily used a URL like:

http://tinkernet.org/enclose.cgi/1746

but I like my URLs ;)

they have the added side-effect of logging each request on my own 
server, even though the file is stored elsewhere.


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[videoblogging] Re: another service added to test page

Nice.

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Done
 
 On 3/16/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon duthied@ wrote:
  
   On 3/16/06, Enric enric@ wrote:
   

 There's  blurb about how to do that in the preable on the
main page.
I will
 have to make that more obvious.
   
Yea, I just skimmed the page and didn't notice it.  But
wouldn't it be
worthwhile to have a separate page for suggestions, not just
sending
emails and comments randomly on review pages?  Then people
could see
what others suggested, get ideas from that and not send
suggestions
that where already sent.
   
  
   Hm...good point, we could have a page where people could suggest a
  site, and
   once the site had been suggested and added, that could be updated to
  point
   to the review.
  
   A sticky post might do in this case I think.  I could move the
pre-amble
   stuff to a sticky post and that way people could leave a comment to
  suggest
   a site, then once the site had been reviewed, a comment could be
  posted by
   us to point to the review.
 
  Cool, I think that would work well.
 
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  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon duthied@ wrote:
  
   Follow up:
  
   We've finished moving Dierdré's content over to a
subdomain of
  loadedpun.com:
   http://www.testinggrounds.loadedpun.com/ (feed:
  
   
 
http://feeds.feedburner.com/TestingGrounds)http://feeds.feedburner.com/TestingGrounds%29
  http://feeds.feedburner.com/TestingGrounds%29
http://feeds.feedburner.com/TestingGrounds%29
   
  
   You can add comments to the reviews and subscribe to the
  comments as
   well as the site's feed.
  
   Come share any experiences that you have had with the
services
or send
   us information about a service that we don't have listed
so we
can add
   it.
  
   Consider it a 'liviing' site that we all can add to.
  
   On 3/8/06, Devlon duthied@ wrote:
fyi, in the next week or so, the information that Dierdré
  was kind
enough to compile will be broken out into individual pages
  (with
comments) on a sub site of loadedpun.com.  This will
  (hopefully)
encourage some commenting by users and providers to
enrich the
services and help them grow.
   
There will be a feed available, etc.  This is a really
great
idea that
Dierdré has come up with for people that are new to it
and we
hope to
add to it a bit.
   
On 3/8/06, robert a/k/a r robert.videoblogging@ wrote:
 Would someone good at this stuff (hint, I'm not) kindly
  place
  Dierdré's
 demo page link on the relevant pages so n00bs can
see what's
what.
 Anyone hosting sites that thinks it would be beneficial
  to n00bs
  please
 have a look and see if you would like to add.

 http://beginningwithi.com/vlog/test.html


 cheers
 r


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  On 3/8/06, robert a/k/a r robert.videoblogging@
wrote:
 
  Is the link to your page now in the wiki and on
freevlog
(etc.)?
  Not that I'm aware of, feel free to add it! What
  little time
  I've had
  for this project has been absorbed in just signing up
  for the
  various
  services and getting my video in there. I'm glad
Devlon
  offered to do
  the comments piece!
 
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I can vouch for that. When I get the rest of my advance I'll probably be up to something in the $2 - $3 an hour range. Then I think if the book is really successful and we sell more copies than what's required to earn our advance back, we'll start creaping up on minimum wage.
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so when do i get my royalties?On 3/16/06, Stephanie Bryant

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: another service added to test page

Thanks for the awesome feedback and this site suggestion Enric. I hope this will become a good resource for videobloggers and site providers.We might want to keep additional feedback and suggestions off the list before we get the moderators on our case ;)
Please feel free to email me directly, or use the site to post feedback or suggest sites to review.-Devlon/AnneOn 3/16/06, robert a/k/a r
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Hm...good point, we could have a page where people could suggest a
site, and once the site had been suggested and added, that could be
updated to point to the review.

A sticky post might do in this case I think. I could move the
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Re: [videoblogging] more on remixes and collaborations

Did you and Ryanne track the hours spent on your book? I've been
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wrote:
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be up to something in the $2 - $3 an hour range. Then I think if the
book is really successful and we sell more copies than what's required
to earn our advance back, we'll start creaping up on minimum wage.
-VerdiOn 3/16/06, Stephanie Bryant
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dot dot dot

I don't even know if I'll ever see royalties, Josh. Writing a book makes less than minimum wage.

--Stephanie
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so when do i get my royalties?On 3/16/06, Stephanie Bryant

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Yep, it's all for the book. Everything I do right now is largely for the book, in one way or another.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: another service added to test page

2006-03-16 Thread Josh Wolf

Actually, I think that feedback and suggestions should totally stay  
on the list -- this topic is something that directly ties into the  
topic of videoblogging, and I'm probably not the only person that was  
pleasently surprised to learn about all of these hosting providers.  
Of course, I'm obviously not Jay (the moderator), but my gut tells me  
that the death of this thread is not among the things that Jay is  
hoping to see...

Josh


On Mar 16, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Devlon wrote:

 Thanks for the awesome feedback and this site suggestion Enric.  I  
 hope this will become a good resource for videobloggers and site  
 providers.

 We might want to keep additional feedback and suggestions off the  
 list before we get the moderators on our case ;)

 Please feel free to email me directly, or use the site to post  
 feedback or suggest sites to review.

 -Devlon/Anne

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  Hm...good point, we could have a page where people could suggest a
  site, and once the site had been suggested and added, that could be
  updated to point to the review.
 
  A sticky post might do in this case I think.  I could move the
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: another service added to test page

Thanks for saying so Josh.I didn't feel like starting trouble today :)On 3/16/06, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Actually, I think that feedback and suggestions should totally stay
on the list -- this topic is something that directly ties into the
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Of course, I'm obviously not Jay (the moderator), but my gut tells me
that the death of this thread is not among the things that Jay is
hoping to see...

Josh

On Mar 16, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Devlon wrote:

Thanks for the awesome feedback and this site suggestion Enric. I
hope this will become a good resource for videobloggers and site
providers.

We might want to keep additional feedback and suggestions off the
list before we get the moderators on our case ;)

Please feel free to email me directly, or use the site to post
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[videoblogging] chasing mills

2006-03-16 Thread civanyi

For those who don't know Chasing Windmills, I recommend checking out today's 
episode, 
as well as the shows running up this episode at:

http://www.chasingmills.blogspot.com/

Incredible stuff!


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[videoblogging] the Rise Up Network

2006-03-16 Thread Josh Wolf

Hi, I've written to this group about this project I've been working  
to develop, the Rise Up Network , a few times in the past, but seeing  
how many new media ventures are coming out that revolve around  
videoblogging, it has dawned on me that if I don't get this thing off  
the ground soon, my window of opportunity will have past. In that  
spirit, I'm currently talking to my boss about creating a television  
show comprised of various videoblogs from all over the world which  
will be called the RUNtv, and will then hopefully create the  
necessary inertia to actually develop the website I've been wanting  
to build for a very long
while.

In order to do this though, I need to know that enough people would  
be willing to send in DVDs of their material for possible inclusion  
in the show. At this point, I can't promise to be able to pay people  
-- as I work at a small TV station with a miniscule budget --  
however, assuming I'm able to turn this into the project I've  
described below, I can promise that I will do my best to make sure  
that everyone who has helped out is helped out in return.

The website for the Rise Up Network (www.riseupnetwork.com) is about  
to be torn down and replaced with a civic-space site. Look for that  
in the next couple weeks, in the mean-time, please let me know if  
you'd be interested in sending in DVDs for this sort of project and  
I'll start to compile a list to present to my boss next week.

I've also attached a general run-down about what I've been trying to  
do with RUN, please let me know what you think.

**

For the past year or so, I’ve been working to develop the Rise Up  
Network (RUN), a 501(c)3 working to provide the tools and resources  
necessary to facilitate the democratization of the media with a focus  
on video production and online distribution.

Essentially, we are a group of people that are developing an online  
video community that harnesses the distribution power of videoblogs  
to create a database that will serve to help the end-user find the  
video that appeals to him or her. To that end, we plan to implement  
three primary methods to find what he or she is looking for.

First off, all the videos will be sorted into a dynamic list of  
categories. Second, like Flickr or del.icio.us, the system will rely  
on visitors to be able to tag videos they come across with keywords  
they feel fit the video. Finally, using a dynamic rating system  
similar to that employed by Netflix, as the number of users rating  
videos reaches a critical mass, the system will direct them to videos  
that users with similar tastes also enjoyed. As open-media  
publication has demonstrated itself as being part of the long tail  
phenomenon, not all videos will appeal to all users and this rating  
system will help the visitor find the content most appealing to him  
or her.

Additionally, the website will also feature an editorial page where  
new and worthwhile videos are brought to the attention of the  
community by members of the RUN staff.

Participation as a contributing member of RUN involves creating a  
videoblog through any service, and creating an account on RUN using  
the RSS address. There are various free services to upload video onto  
the internet, so there is effectively no cost to participate in the  
community. Of course, video cameras are still unaffordable for many  
people and not everyone has internet access but we’ve got some ideas  
to help there as well.

The business model of RUN involves a subscription service. For $20 a  
month, RUN members will receive a DVD compiled monthly out of the  
most noteworthy material assembled from contributing members who  
elect to participate by sending us their material on a DVD. In  
addition to these monthly compilations, subscribers are provided $10  
spending money in which to donate to specific videos they elect to  
sponsor. Subscribers can donate as much or as little as they choose  
and are always free to recharge their accounts.

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[videoblogging] Re: feedburner media urls with ?d=

2006-03-16 Thread jchavezb

Hi Michael,

The option to enable or disable the track downloads feature is found
on the Analyze Tab - Standard Stats (for free users) or Total Stats
Pro (for pro users) by clicking the checkbox Item enclosure downloads
(podcast downloads)   It's a new option that we added with our Stats
redesign at the beginning of the month and, like all of our services,
is an opt-in feature by the publisher.

Just to make sure, I also verified that Fireant was included in the
list of podcatchers that were tested during QA. But if you see an
outstanding issues, we'd be glad to look into it and do whatever we
can to assist in resolving it. 

For this particular feed, we just tested on the latest version of
Fireant on Mac and Windows XP and were able to subscribe to the feed
and receive the media downloads just fine.  Let us know if you see
anything different.

We definitely understand your concern on the format of the rewritten
urls. Primarily, we always want to make sure that everything we do is
standards compliant. This particular convention is same one that 
we've used for tracking clickthroughs on items for the last couple of
years.  Historically, it has worked well but we can definitely see
where this can be confusing (even to us at times :) in the sense of
url's that link to media files.  

On the other hand, manipulating the query parameters to meet logic
that depends on the extension at the end of a link can also be
considered to have a negative impact as it masks deeper problems in
client code that prevent it from working correctly with standards
based urls.  Testing revealed that most clients handled things
correctly and the couple of issues we received were followed up with
close work with the client software author to make sure the issues are
understood and resolvable.

Nevertheless, we definitely give the feedback we receive either way
much importance and will take it into account.  I hope this explains
the thinking behind the way its working now and look forward to any
suggestions.  Thank you so much for using feedburner and we're always
open to your ideas. 

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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 josh, i did in my message.  i have been referring to this example:
 http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms
 
 
 On 3/16/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Could you give me a RSS URL that uses this?
  I have never encountered this issue here. We should still be able to
  download the files using that URL convention.
 
  -Josh
 
 
  On 3/16/06, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:17:15 +0100, Michael Sullivan
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
ie. http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms.mp4?d=25
via:
http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms
   
This feed doesnt work in FireAnt or any aggregator that
currently uses
typical file extention detection of media format (since often mime
  types
in
feeds are not accurate).
   
Should'nt we get feedburner to modify it so its more
cross-compatible
(such
as ending the url with .ext)?  This is annoying and even
though not
technically wrong to do on feedburner's part, they should have
taken
  this
issue into consideration before breaking direct media urls like
  this.  I
dont want to write new code to handle 'special' direct media url
  formats.
  
   The file name still has a .mp4 extenstion. The ?id=25 is the query
  string.
   Without knowing for sure I'm guessing that FireANT fails because it
   doesn't follow redirects (the URL responds with a 302 header
that points
   to the original video URL.
  
   So Feedburner has a correct filename ending in .mp4 and they are
even
   sending the correct mime type (video/mp4). If an aggregator
doesn't work
   with these URLs the aggregator needs to use a proper HTTP library.
  Setting
   up limitations like video files must have a file extension and
you
   cannot use redirects are more than a little silly.
  
   This isn't a case of having to write special software to handle
these
   special URLs. These are normal URLs and if the software was
using HTTP
   correctly (following redirects, breaking apart filename from query
  string
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[videoblogging] Re: chasing mills

That wasn't incredible... that was horrifying.

When I first heard Spike on Degrassi Junior High saying sex hurts, I
was afraid of sex for years... then when a friend told me about how
your vagina rips during labour, I was afraid to give birth... NOW I'M
HORRIFIED SIMPLY TO BE PREGNANT!!!

Thanks for f***ing with my mind,
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 For those who don't know Chasing Windmills, I recommend checking out
today's episode, 
 as well as the shows running up this episode at:
 
 http://www.chasingmills.blogspot.com/
 
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[videoblogging] Re: more on remixes and collaborations

Funny... Just as you make $4/hour writing, I just calculated that I
make -4$/hour videoblogging.

Kitka
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 No, that was a really rough guestimate. Acutally, looking back again it
 could be as high as $4/hour. So if $2 is the low end and $4 the high
- I bet
 it's really in the $3 ballpark. I'm a slow-ass writer.
 -Verdi
 
 On 3/16/06, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Did you and Ryanne track the hours spent on your book? I've been
tracking
  mine, though only about half of the hours spent in research.
 
 
  On 3/16/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
  
   I can vouch for that. When I get the rest of my advance I'll
probably be
   up to something in the $2 - $3 an hour range. Then I think if
the book is
   really successful and we sell more copies than what's required
to earn our
   advance back, we'll start creaping up on minimum wage.
   -Verdi
  
  
   On 3/16/06, Stephanie Bryant  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 dot dot dot
   
I don't even know if I'll ever see royalties, Josh. Writing a book
makes less than minimum wage.
   
   
--Stephanie
   
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  so when do i get my royalties?


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   Yep, it's all for the book. Everything I do right now is
largely
 for the book, in one way or another.

 I figured the Y! group was the best way to invite collaboration.

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  usually people making an announcement on the board or
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forgive me if this isn't what you were asking for ... but here's some php anyway :-Pcheck out: 
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Re: [videoblogging] more on remixes and collaborations

Stephanie Bryant wrote:
 dot dot dot
 
 I don't even know if I'll ever see royalties, Josh. Writing a book makes
 less than minimum wage.

I'm still waiting for my check from O'Reilly...


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[videoblogging] Stars-of-the-Web.net

2006-03-16 Thread Christian Car

Hi Videoblogginggroup!

My name is Chris Car and I am currently developing a video production
and publishing platform named http://Stars-of-the-Web.net .
You only need a webcam or built-in cam, a browser and the Flash plugin
to record vids.

Would be cool if you could drop me a video recording and maybe give me
some feedback/ideas/criticism on the platform.

That's it for now.
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Re: [videoblogging] more on remixes and collaborations




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Re: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?

Sorry to ressurect this long and finished thread but I was away and didn't get to add my 2¢ - and lord knows I love to do that.So I agree with those of you saying good is really good to me. Like all things good it's relative. Outside of that, what I think is good usually (but not always) has these things in common:
Short - usually under 5 minutes, often under 3 minutes. I say this not because I'm really opposed to watching longer things but for two basic reasons - 1. it usually requires more work to make something short than to make it long and I appreaciate that. 2. To make something long and have it be as engaging as a well done short piece usually takes more time, energy, money and production skill than the average hobbiest can muster. After a while you might as well be trying to make a TV show or a film.
Style and voice - I like things that, even if they are a single shot, have a very distinct style or voice to them. If you're going to be mundane please give us your unique take on that life.Passion or authenticity - I like when I can tell that the person who made it loves what they are doing. I also love when people show me something real and unmeadiated.
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Re: [videoblogging] Node 101

2006-03-16 Thread ryanne hodson




by permalink i mean permalink:http://ofbyandfor.blogspot.com/2006/03/interview-with-markus-sandy.html
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[videoblogging] Re: another service added to test page

There will always be new people asking new questions here.  Ala Mark
Twain, the death of this list has been highly exaggerated.  It's an
advantage to have a location where information is somewhat static and
referable.  When a question about hosting providers is asked again
after so many weeks the  site can be referred to on here.

  -- Enric


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Actually, I think that feedback and suggestions should totally stay  
 on the list -- this topic is something that directly ties into the  
 topic of videoblogging, and I'm probably not the only person that was  
 pleasently surprised to learn about all of these hosting providers.  
 Of course, I'm obviously not Jay (the moderator), but my gut tells me  
 that the death of this thread is not among the things that Jay is  
 hoping to see...
 
 Josh
 
 
 On Mar 16, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Devlon wrote:
 
  Thanks for the awesome feedback and this site suggestion Enric.  I  
  hope this will become a good resource for videobloggers and site  
  providers.
 
  We might want to keep additional feedback and suggestions off the  
  list before we get the moderators on our case ;)
 
  Please feel free to email me directly, or use the site to post  
  feedback or suggest sites to review.
 
  -Devlon/Anne
 
  On 3/16/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Yet another hosting service:
 
  http://www.vmix.com/
 
 
 
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   Hm...good point, we could have a page where people could suggest a
   site, and once the site had been suggested and added, that could be
   updated to point to the review.
  
   A sticky post might do in this case I think.  I could move the
   pre-amble stuff to a sticky post and that way people could leave a
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[videoblogging] Verdi vs MPAA

2006-03-16 Thread Chuck Olsen


http://mnstories.com/video/rb/rb_sxsw_darknets.mov


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey,
 I'm back from SXSW. The Darknets panel was a good and touched on some of the
 copyright issues. Personally, I think a system where something like The
 Grey Album is illegal, doesn't work. Now the MPAA (they had a
 representative on the panel) and the RIAA still look at this as theft. As
 long as that's the case, things are not going to change. And they certainly
 won't listen to me as an individual on the issue. But if people in aggregate
 willfully disregard these laws where they're just plain stupid, I think,
 they'll be forced to come up with some sort of solution. Just as background
 - I come at this as an artist who very much respects people's right to get
 paid for their work and on the other hand I also believe that by
 contributing to and participating in culture (popular and otherwise) you
 give up total control over your work. A few years ago I made a short film
 about my brother and I playing Star Trek as kids (here's the link all you
 fellow Star Trek nerds:
 http://www.michaelverdi.com/video/mjplaystartrek.mov). I wrote to
 Paramount asking for the right to use the tricorder and
 transporter sounds. What I got back from them was a letter explaining how I
 could not use (with no option to license for a fee) those sounds along with
 the words Spock, Enterprise or Phaser. I just think that's complete
 bullshit. We didn't play Star Voyages as kids or run around with Quadcorders
 or something. It was Star Trek. Those are my memories and this film is my
 way of remembering. I don't really give a shit if you've trademarked that
 stuff - it's part of the culture and they've benefited from that by both
 ripping lots of others off in the ideas behind it and in the billions of
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Re: [videoblogging] Node 101

2006-03-16 Thread Harold Johnson




Jay always says this in order to assert his leadership role! ;)

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[videoblogging] A Very Special Vlog Moment

OK, I was going to post about this vlog anyway, because it's a speech
I gave to a bunch of non-vloggers (at Toastmasters), to introduce them
to videoblogging. I focused on just watching videoblogs, not on how to
create them (the speech is 5-7 minutes, so creation had to wait for
another day). By the end, I think I'd convinced at least one fellow to
start a written blog.

#1 comment from the audience was that they wanted longer clips of the
vlogs I showed. I found that amusing, considering I went over my time
limit by almost a minute! Whoops!

But even though I was going to post this anyway, I know you all want
to see it, because in it, I FILMED A SCREEN! Yes, my worst nightmare!
My #1 pet peeve about vlogging! And right after I'd been so high on my
horse about it, too! A!!!

So, anyway. Go. Enjoy. Mock me mercilessly for the awful
film-screening part (or any part, for that matter). For shame. SHAME!

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[videoblogging] Re: Verdi vs MPAA

It looks like 2006 is the year Videobloggers start to become
aggressive and begin kicking some traditional media ass.

   ;)

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  Hey,
  I'm back from SXSW. The Darknets panel was a good and touched on
some of the
  copyright issues. Personally, I think a system where something
like The
  Grey Album is illegal, doesn't work. Now the MPAA (they had a
  representative on the panel) and the RIAA still look at this as
theft. As
  long as that's the case, things are not going to change. And they
certainly
  won't listen to me as an individual on the issue. But if people in
aggregate
  willfully disregard these laws where they're just plain stupid, I
think,
  they'll be forced to come up with some sort of solution. Just as
background
  - I come at this as an artist who very much respects people's
right to get
  paid for their work and on the other hand I also believe that by
  contributing to and participating in culture (popular and
otherwise) you
  give up total control over your work. A few years ago I made a
short film
  about my brother and I playing Star Trek as kids (here's the link
all you
  fellow Star Trek nerds:
  http://www.michaelverdi.com/video/mjplaystartrek.mov). I wrote to
  Paramount asking for the right to use the tricorder and
  transporter sounds. What I got back from them was a letter
explaining how I
  could not use (with no option to license for a fee) those sounds
along with
  the words Spock, Enterprise or Phaser. I just think that's
complete
  bullshit. We didn't play Star Voyages as kids or run around with
Quadcorders
  or something. It was Star Trek. Those are my memories and this
film is my
  way of remembering. I don't really give a shit if you've
trademarked that
  stuff - it's part of the culture and they've benefited from that
by both
  ripping lots of others off in the ideas behind it and in the
billions of
  dollars they've made because of it.
  
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Re: [videoblogging] feedburner media urls with ?d=

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:11:00 +0100, Michael Sullivan  
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 this url is logical and cross-compatible
 http://feeds.feedburner.com/
 spainfulfilms?id=25file=fashion05POD.mp4

Is it? This is an identical URL:

http://feeds.feedburner.com/spainfulfilms?file=fashion05POD.mp4id=25

Should it always be file or should other values be permitted? What are  
the security implications of identifying a filename via the query string?

This is a classic case of if it ain't broke, don't fix it. There *is* a  
standard handling these issues. It's called HTTP, and it's very stable and  
very well supported. If your library can't handle basic HTTP features like  
302 headers and seperating the filename from the query string, you need to  
get a new library.

If you want to find the type of file behind a URL it's an easy three step  
process:

  1. Resolve all redirects (your library should do this for you).
  2. Check the Content-type header for a mime type. If this is a known  
video format, great if not...
  3. Check the file name. If it ends in .mp4, .m4v or another known  
troublemaker *and* the content-type is set to text/plain assume that  
it's an mp4. If not assume you're recieving text/plain.

Not rocket science. If your HTTP library is faulty then enclosures will be  
the least of your worries. Fix your library instead of asking the whole  
wide world to adopt some arbitrary format. There are issues with HTTP, but  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Top Ten Vlogging Mistakes

2006-03-16 Thread Paul Knight

Call us stupid, call us Brits, call us Stupid Brits if you like but we have like Deirdre have made a video with no less than 30 copyrighted pieces of music in. I guess you guys are gonna love it so, here goes the link..http://www.dailymotion.com/pjkproductions/video/79399It will also appear on Blip.tv soon also. Watch the skiesAnd we are waiting for the Cease and Desist Order or the Lawyers to come knocking at our doors. We await with humour.Just for fun see how long it lasts on line. We know it's wrong but this is just an example of what a load worriers we have become. Videoblogging is for fun, never forget that.Paul Knight Paul Reynoldson On 16 Mar 2006, at 17:24, Lisa Ours MA PLPC wrote: I love it! Maybe instead of ranting about our peeves we should actually vlog something on our peeves... Not just a "I'm sitting in front of the camera bitching for 3 minutes (not that that can't be hilarious) but maybe something very creative and funny about how our pet peeves affect us and our lives... Sorry I'm babbling... back to my corner. Lisa From: Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Top Ten Vlogging Mistakes Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:17:20 -0800 sh! don't mention pets that really peeves some folks on the list some guy complained a while back about cat videos and Richard BF's been uploading them ever since ;) missbhavens1969 wrote: I don't suppose we could start a rant and peeve thread about rants and pet peeves? Bekah http://missbhavens.blogspot.com-- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa Ours MA PLPC" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There there, it's not like we can't start another thread to rant and peeve on some other subject... It'll be allright. Some people just don't "get it"LisaFrom: "Stephanie Bryant" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Top Ten Vlogging Mistakes Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:52:22 -0800You really have no concept of the "rants and pet peeves" thread, do you?People like you spoil the fun for the rest of us. On 3/15/06, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

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Re: [videoblogging] feedburner media urls with ?d=

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:32:42 +0100, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

 Well, on one hand ...
 If I were feedburner I probably would have put
 filename=origional_file.mov at the end. Just make sure they werent  
 going to
 break any systems already in place.  I agree with you there, it seems a
 simple safe guard for backward compatability.

It's not a case of backwards compatability. If file names aren't being  
resolved it's a bug that should be fixed asap. Relying on a query string  
value corrupts the value of the URL (suddenly the filename is not the  
filename. The filename is actually an arbutrary query string value). That  
creates more problems than it solves.

 All that being said, yeah I think it would be great if some standard  
 could
 be agreed upon such that enclosure redirects should always end with the
 filename ... why not?

It's not a question of why not it's a question of why.

 Is this something that microformats might be able to provide?

No, microformats are HTML based - this is an HTTP issue.

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[videoblogging] Re: Verdi vs MPAA

Good God, I sure hope so.  It's about time we stand up for what we
believe in and tell corporate c*nts who don't even care about the
content they're protecting to shove it up their a$$.

Copyrights aside... I think it's more important to set up some online
free system to contact either an individual or a company in order to
facilitate the process of asking to use/sample content.  Musicians,
film-makers and artists should all have freely avaliable contact
details (to themselves or an agent).  If no contact details are
available on this copyright contact network, we should not be held
liable to be sued.  [I _know_ this is a bold statement... but this
subject has driven me to bold beliefs].

I love your Star Trek video, Verdi... I wish I played that when I was
a kid, unfortunately my brother and sister were much older than me and
never wanted to play!

Kitka
http://www.kitkast.com/

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It looks like 2006 is the year Videobloggers start to become
 aggressive and begin kicking some traditional media ass.
 
;)
 
 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Olsen
 reallystinkyguy@ wrote:
 
  
  http://mnstories.com/video/rb/rb_sxsw_darknets.mov
  
  
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi michael@
wrote:
  
   Hey,
   I'm back from SXSW. The Darknets panel was a good and touched on
 some of the
   copyright issues. Personally, I think a system where something
 like The
   Grey Album is illegal, doesn't work. Now the MPAA (they had a
   representative on the panel) and the RIAA still look at this as
 theft. As
   long as that's the case, things are not going to change. And they
 certainly
   won't listen to me as an individual on the issue. But if people in
 aggregate
   willfully disregard these laws where they're just plain stupid, I
 think,
   they'll be forced to come up with some sort of solution. Just as
 background
   - I come at this as an artist who very much respects people's
 right to get
   paid for their work and on the other hand I also believe that by
   contributing to and participating in culture (popular and
 otherwise) you
   give up total control over your work. A few years ago I made a
 short film
   about my brother and I playing Star Trek as kids (here's the link
 all you
   fellow Star Trek nerds:
   http://www.michaelverdi.com/video/mjplaystartrek.mov). I wrote to
   Paramount asking for the right to use the tricorder and
   transporter sounds. What I got back from them was a letter
 explaining how I
   could not use (with no option to license for a fee) those sounds
 along with
   the words Spock, Enterprise or Phaser. I just think that's
 complete
   bullshit. We didn't play Star Voyages as kids or run around with
 Quadcorders
   or something. It was Star Trek. Those are my memories and this
 film is my
   way of remembering. I don't really give a shit if you've
 trademarked that
   stuff - it's part of the culture and they've benefited from that
 by both
   ripping lots of others off in the ideas behind it and in the
 billions of
   dollars they've made because of it.
   
   -Verdi
  
 







 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Verdi vs MPAA

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:01:49 +0100, Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If no contact details are
 available on this copyright contact network, we should not be held
 liable to be sued.  [I _know_ this is a bold statement... but this
 subject has driven me to bold beliefs].

And you will of course volunteer your time to answer requests for all the  
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[videoblogging] Re: Top Ten Vlogging Mistakes

BEAUTIFUL PAUL!!! YOU ROCK!!!

Kitka
http://www.kitkast.com/


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Call us stupid, call us Brits, call us Stupid Brits if you like but  
 we have like Deirdre have made a video with no less than 30  
 copyrighted pieces of music in.  I guess you guys are gonna love it  
 so, here goes the link..
 
 http://www.dailymotion.com/pjkproductions/video/79399
 
 It will also appear on Blip.tv soon also.  Watch the skies
 
 And we are waiting for the Cease and Desist Order or the Lawyers to  
 come knocking at our doors.  We await with humour.
 
 Just for fun see how long it lasts on line.  We know it's wrong but  
 this is just an example of what a load worriers we have become.   
 Videoblogging is for fun, never forget that.
 
 Paul Knight 
 Paul Reynoldson
 
 On 16 Mar 2006, at 17:24, Lisa Ours MA PLPC wrote:
 
  I love it!  Maybe instead of ranting about our peeves we should  
  actually
  vlog something on our peeves... Not just a I'm sitting in front of  
  the
  camera bitching for 3 minutes (not that that can't be hilarious)  
  but maybe
  something very creative and funny about how our pet peeves affect  
  us and our
  lives... Sorry I'm babbling... back to my corner.
 
  Lisa
 
 
  From: Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Reply-To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
  To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Top Ten Vlogging Mistakes
  Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:17:20 -0800
  
  sh!  don't mention pets
  
  that really peeves some folks on the list
  
  some guy complained a while back about cat videos and Richard BF's  
  been
  uploading them ever since
  
  ;)
  
  
  missbhavens1969 wrote:
  
   I don't suppose we could start a rant and peeve thread about  
  rants and
  pet peeves?
   
   
   Bekah
   http://missbhavens.blogspot.com
   
   -- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Lisa Ours MA PLPC
  Holistic_One@ wrote:
   
   
   There there, it's not like we can't start another thread to  
  rant and
  peeve
   on some other subject... It'll be allright.  Some people just  
  don't get
  it
   
   Lisa
   
   
   
   From: Stephanie Bryant mortaine@
   Reply-To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
   To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Top Ten Vlogging Mistakes
   Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:52:22 -0800
   
   You really have no concept of the rants and pet peeves  
  thread, do
  you?
   
   People like you spoil the fun for the rest of us.
   
   
   On 3/15/06, Josh Wolf inthecity@ wrote:
   
   
  
  
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[videoblogging] Re: Top Ten Trekkie Vlogging Mistakes

2006-03-16 Thread missbhavens1969

Waitaminute: seriously? I mean, they didn't want you to use the words phaser 
or Spock? I 
didn't know you could copyright a sound. Just a sound by itself? Just because 
it's 
recognizable? They didn't want you to use Phaser or Spock  in conjunction 
with the 
sounds, or they didn't want you to use them at all?  Because I'll hop on my 
miniDV right now 
and film a short video called 
Phaser-Spock-Phaser-Spock-Phaser-Phaser-Spock-Spock.  

See, that's got NOTHING to do with protecting artist's property. That's just 
asinine. 

Or perhaps I should run out and copyright the bingbong sound--you know the 
one that the  
F train makes when the doors close. 

Bekah
http://missbhavens.blogspot./com 

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wrote to Paramount asking for the right to use the tricorder and transporter 
sounds. What 
I got back from them was a letter explaining how I could not use (with no 
option to license 
for a fee) those sounds along with the words Spock, Enterprise or Phaser.







 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Top Ten Vlogging Mistakes

2006-03-16 Thread Paul Knight

On 16 Mar 2006, at 21:50, Paul Knight wrote: Call us stupid, call us Brits, call us Stupid Brits if you like but we have like Deirdre have made a video with no less than 30 copyrighted pieces of music in. I guess you guys are gonna love it so, here goes the link..http://www.dailymotion.com/pjkproductions/video/79399It will also appear on Blip.tv soon also. Watch the skieshttp://blip.tv/file/get/Pjkproductions-PaulPaulGetToTheBottomOfItAllEpisode1959.movAnd we are waiting for the Cease and Desist Order or the Lawyers to come knocking at our doors. We await with humour.Just for fun see how long it lasts on line. We know it's wrong but this is just an example of what a load worriers we have become. Videoblogging is for fun, never forget that.Paul Knight Paul Reynoldson On 16 Mar 2006, at 17:24, Lisa Ours MA PLPC wrote: I love it! Maybe instead of ranting about our peeves we should actually vlog something on our peeves... Not just a "I'm sitting in front of the camera bitching for 3 minutes (not that that can't be hilarious) but maybe something very creative and funny about how our pet peeves affect us and our lives... Sorry I'm babbling... back to my corner. Lisa From: Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Top Ten Vlogging Mistakes Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:17:20 -0800 sh! don't mention pets that really peeves some folks on the list some guy complained a while back about cat videos and Richard BF's been uploading them ever since ;) missbhavens1969 wrote: I don't suppose we could start a rant and peeve thread about rants and pet peeves? Bekah http://missbhavens.blogspot.com-- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa Ours MA PLPC" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There there, it's not like we can't start another thread to rant and peeve on some other subject... It'll be allright. Some people just don't "get it"LisaFrom: "Stephanie Bryant" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Top Ten Vlogging Mistakes Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:52:22 -0800You really have no concept of the "rants and pet peeves" thread, do you?People like you spoil the fun for the rest of us. On 3/15/06, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?

2006-03-16 Thread Anne Walk

hi michael,i always appreciate your input into conversations.i don't, personally have a length requirement on what i consider good. actually, i think it's sad that attention spans have reached the size of commercial spots. there is something to be said for being taken on a visual and auditory journey and not a drive through.
i heartily agree with the distinctive voice criterion. also, a distinctive point of view. if you are talking about something that you love or hate, i want to know why. gimme some meat under that gravy!passion yes...but, just making a video makes it mediated. even unexpected, captured moments are mediated once the camera is lifted. i'm beginning to wonder if there really are unmediated moments anymore. maybe on the toilet. smile
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Top Ten Trekkie Vlogging Mistakes

Sounds are definitely copyrightable.
The names may also be trademarked.

Then again, it would be hard for them to pursue any action.

-Josh


On 3/16/06, missbhavens1969 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Waitaminute: seriously? I mean, they didn't want you to use the words 
 phaser or Spock? I
 didn't know you could copyright a sound. Just a sound by itself? Just because 
 it's
 recognizable? They didn't want you to use Phaser or Spock  in conjunction 
 with the
 sounds, or they didn't want you to use them at all?  Because I'll hop on my 
 miniDV right now
 and film a short video called 
 Phaser-Spock-Phaser-Spock-Phaser-Phaser-Spock-Spock.

 See, that's got NOTHING to do with protecting artist's property. That's just 
 asinine.

 Or perhaps I should run out and copyright the bingbong sound--you know the 
 one that the
 F train makes when the doors close.

 Bekah
 http://missbhavens.blogspot./com

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 I wrote to Paramount asking for the right to use the tricorder and 
 transporter sounds. What
 I got back from them was a letter explaining how I could not use (with no 
 option to license
 for a fee) those sounds along with the words Spock, Enterprise or 
 Phaser.
 







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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Top Ten Trekkie Vlogging Mistakes

There is no copyright protection for single words such as Spock or  
phaser. However they can be trademarked.

Spock: URL:  
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=tocstate=m64pea.1.1p_search=searchssp_L=50BackReference=p_plural=yesp_s_PARA1=p_tagrepl%7E%3A=PARA1%24LDexpr=PARA1+AND+PARA2p_s_PARA2=spockp_tagrepl%7E%3A=PARA2%24COMBp_op_ALL=ANDa_default=searcha_search=Submit+Querya_search=Submit+Query
  


Phaser: URL:  
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=tocstate=m64pea.1.1p_search=searchssp_L=50BackReference=p_plural=yesp_s_PARA1=p_tagrepl%7E%3A=PARA1%24LDexpr=PARA1+AND+PARA2p_s_PARA2=phaserp_tagrepl%7E%3A=PARA2%24COMBp_op_ALL=ANDa_default=searcha_search=Submit+Querya_search=Submit+Query
  


- Andreas

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:06:05 +0100, missbhavens1969  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Waitaminute: seriously? I mean, they didn't want you to use the words  
 phaser or Spock? I
 didn't know you could copyright a sound. Just a sound by itself? Just  
 because it's
 recognizable? They didn't want you to use Phaser or Spock  in  
 conjunction with the
 sounds, or they didn't want you to use them at all?  Because I'll hop on  
 my miniDV right now
 and film a short video called  
 Phaser-Spock-Phaser-Spock-Phaser-Phaser-Spock-Spock.

 See, that's got NOTHING to do with protecting artist's property. That's  
 just asinine.

 Or perhaps I should run out and copyright the bingbong sound--you know  
 the one that the
 F train makes when the doors close.

 Bekah
 http://missbhavens.blogspot./com

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 wrote:
 I wrote to Paramount asking for the right to use the tricorder and  
 transporter sounds. What
 I got back from them was a letter explaining how I could not use (with  
 no option to license
 for a fee) those sounds along with the words Spock, Enterprise or  
 Phaser.







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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Top Ten Trekkie Vlogging Mistakes

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:13:01 +0100, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

 Sounds are definitely copyrightable.
 The names may also be trademarked.

Sounds need to have artistic value to be covered by copyright. While the  
composition of the THX sound may qualify I doubt the simple phuiii of a  
phaser counts. :o)

Sounds can be trademarked just like words and drawings. At least in  
Denmark.

 Then again, it would be hard for them to pursue any action.

Not more than in any other trademark case? Oddly enough I skimmed the  
phaser trademarks and one was for a toy. :o)

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[videoblogging] Re: Top Ten Trekkie Vlogging Mistakes

2006-03-16 Thread missbhavens1969

Wow, that is so wild. In a wild and stupid kind of way.

I had NO idea!

Bekah
http//missbhavens.blogspot.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Sounds are definitely copyrightable.
 The names may also be trademarked.
 
 Then again, it would be hard for them to pursue any action.
 
 -Josh
 
 
 On 3/16/06, missbhavens1969 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Waitaminute: seriously? I mean, they didn't want you to use the words 
  phaser or 
Spock? I
  didn't know you could copyright a sound. Just a sound by itself? Just 
  because it's
  recognizable? They didn't want you to use Phaser or Spock  in 
  conjunction with the
  sounds, or they didn't want you to use them at all?  Because I'll hop on my 
  miniDV 
right now
  and film a short video called 
  Phaser-Spock-Phaser-Spock-Phaser-Phaser-Spock-
Spock.
 
  See, that's got NOTHING to do with protecting artist's property. That's 
  just asinine.
 
  Or perhaps I should run out and copyright the bingbong sound--you know 
  the one 
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  F train makes when the doors close.
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?




Good point there Anne. Though we certainly have mediated moments on the toilet - here's the three that come to mind (just in case you've missed them):URL: 
http://michaelverdi.com/index.php/2005/01/16/my-legs-are-too-short/ URL: http://blogumentary.typepad.com/vlog/2005/04/bathroom_honest.html
 URL: http://ryanedit.blogspot.com/2005/03/every-28-days-for-40-years_04070790966059.html
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 Sounds need to have artistic value to be covered by copyright. While the
 composition of the THX sound may qualify I doubt the simple phuiii of a
 phaser counts. :o)

Dunno how it works... but often sound effects and samples must be
purchased. There are various licenses and royalty fees that may apply,
so I assume that they are copyrighted just like any other work.

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  Sounds are definitely copyrightable.
  The names may also be trademarked.

 Sounds need to have artistic value to be covered by copyright. While the
 composition of the THX sound may qualify I doubt the simple phuiii of a
 phaser counts. :o)

 Sounds can be trademarked just like words and drawings. At least in
 Denmark.

  Then again, it would be hard for them to pursue any action.

 Not more than in any other trademark case? Oddly enough I skimmed the
 phaser trademarks and one was for a toy. :o)

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Yes, sad but true. They said I couldn't do anything whether or not they happened at the same time. I guess I could have tried to make my own phaser sound but I didn't - I just lifted it from an episode I had recorded using my evil VCR.
-VerdiOn 3/16/06, missbhavens1969 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wow, that is so wild. In a wild and stupid kind of way.I had NO idea!Bekahhttp//missbhavens.blogspot.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sounds are definitely copyrightable. The names may also be trademarked. Then again, it would be hard for them to pursue any action. -Josh On 3/16/06, missbhavens1969 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Waitaminute: seriously? I mean, they didn't want you to use the words phaser orSpock? I didn't know you could copyright a sound. Just a sound by itself? Just because it's
recognizable? They didn't want you to use Phaser or Spockin conjunction with the sounds, or they didn't want you to use them at all?Because I'll hop on my miniDVright now
and film a short video called Phaser-Spock-Phaser-Spock-Phaser-Phaser-Spock-Spock. See, that's got NOTHING to do with protecting artist's property. That's just asinine.
Or perhaps I should run out and copyright the bingbong sound--you know the onethat the F train makes when the doors close. Bekah
http://missbhavens.blogspot./com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi michael@ wrote:
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?

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oh dear. is there no safe haven? LOLOn 3/16/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Good point there Anne. Though we certainly have mediated moments on the toilet - here's the three that come to mind (just in case you've missed them):URL:

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Yes, sad but true. They said I couldn't do anything whether or not they
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Top Ten Vlogging Mistakes

Michael Verdi wrote:
 - I come at this as an artist who very much respects people's right to get
 paid for their work and on the other hand I also believe that by
 contributing to and participating in culture (popular and otherwise) you
 give up total control over your work. A few years ago I made a short film
 about my brother and I playing Star Trek as kids (here's the link all you
 fellow Star Trek nerds:
 http://www.michaelverdi.com/video/mjplaystartrek.mov). I wrote to
 Paramount asking for the right to use the tricorder and
 transporter sounds. What I got back from them was a letter explaining how I
 could not use (with no option to license for a fee) those sounds along with
 the words Spock, Enterprise or Phaser. I just think that's complete
 bullshit. We didn't play Star Voyages as kids or run around with Quadcorders
 or something. It was Star Trek. Those are my memories and this film is my
 way of remembering. I don't really give a shit if you've trademarked that
 stuff - it's part of the culture and they've benefited from that by both
 ripping lots of others off in the ideas behind it and in the billions of
 dollars they've made because of it.

Might be of interest...

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek%2C_fan_made_productions

   Paramount Pictures and its licensees are the only organizations 
legally allowed to create any *commercial* products with the name and 
trademark Star Trek. Consequently, these fan productions are 
unauthorized and subject to legal issues.

Emphasis on commercial is mine. It always comes down to defining what 
commercial means, eh?


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Verdi vs MPAA

Kitka wrote:
 
 Copyrights aside... I think it's more important to set up some online
 free system to contact either an individual or a company in order to
 facilitate the process of asking to use/sample content.  Musicians,
 film-makers and artists should all have freely avaliable contact
 details (to themselves or an agent).  If no contact details are
 available on this copyright contact network, we should not be held
 liable to be sued.  [I _know_ this is a bold statement... but this
 subject has driven me to bold beliefs].

At the risk of being pummelled... we have such a system:

web + email + Creative Commons + other stuff

We just need to get that 'other stuff' thing figured out.


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Top Ten Trekkie Vlogging Mistakes

2006-03-16 Thread wlight

Sounds can be trademarked just like words and drawings. At least in  BR
Denmark.

Not just sounds, words, and drawings, but also aromas!

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Ha! On the Darknet panel there was a guy that has a company that identifies people trading movies on networks and provides that info to the MPAA so they can go after them. In his opening intro he equated trading files with drug trafficking. I asked him if that was in fact what he said and he responded that it was only an analogy. Oh, it was ONLY an analogy... I responded. Point taken. was his response.
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Yes, sad but true. They said I couldn't do anything whether or not they
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Top Ten Trekkie Vlogging Mistakes

2006-03-16 Thread wlight

Or perhaps I should run out and copyright the bingbong sound--you know 
the one that the 
F train makes when the doors close. 

You're too late, I assure you.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Node 101

2006-03-16 Thread Brett Gaylor




I am also not there.On 3/12/06, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



and meOn 3/12/06, Jan McLaughlin 
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SXSW is exactly where EVERYONE is, except me.Jan--It isn't done alone. Pay more.
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http://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - mediahttp://the-hold.blogspot.com - literature.On Mar 12, 2006, at 7:43 PM, Gena wrote:
 This just hit me - most of the people you mentioned might be at SXSW
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you make money videoblogging?

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