[videoblogging] Re: the inevitable conversation about what we're doing
Adam, I wanna rape puppies with you. 3 And this is why I lurk. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad to see Calacanis took time off from raping puppies, or whatever he does out there in the Hall of Doom, to be the voice of reason here. Funny to see Scoble trying to melodramatically leave all of us loser videobloggers in the pre-video-streaming dust. How can anyone with as much experience in web video possibly compare Seesmic or Justin tv et al to what most of us are doing? It's like comparing a phone call with grandma to an episode of The Office. Two completely different methods of communications. I'm tired to think clear after sitting in an airport bar for 8 hours waiting for a flight that was eventually canceled. As for the commercial vs personal shitbag salad of an argument that perpetually pops up, I say, if you can make money and still get your point across, just fucking do it. You don't hear people complaining about Da Vinci taking money to paint the last supper. JC was the original product placement. Does anyone remember who paid him to paint it? Goodnight you shitty, worthless community of losers. I'll never leave you. On Dec 24, 2007 12:22 AM, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, I find there's a nugget of truth in the cliche that you get from a community what you put into it, both in quality and kind. A cooperative spirit and an open mind will generaly yield a more positive experience than an attitude of Help me! Help me! Validate me! Love me! FUCK YOU! Or so I hear. ;) Chris Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: the inevitable conversation about what we're doing
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Robert Scoble I quit Microsoft because of this community (seriously, this community played a big role in my decision) and it just hasn't lived up to its potential. This is determined by whom...? ER
[videoblogging] Re: the inevitable conversation about what we're doing
What's the best technical example I can use here... hmm.. oh yeah, the one that TRAFFIC != indicator of value or quality. Hell, even in the web space where 'time spent on site' is replacing the click counting. I'm willing to think the Road Node and Node 101s don't get the numbers, numbers, numbers that are 'acceptable', but they've put more rubber to the road in Apple stores and classrooms around the world/across the country. That's not on Twitter. I've seen Jay and Ryanne teaching video in fucking Thailand. Thailand! That ain't no Twitter. I've seen people organize boatloads of conferences, inviting other provinces in media-- Pixelodeon, Vloggercon, etc. Trucking butts to hell and back and never getting the link love on Twitter or being high up in the Alexa ranking. So yeah I think the tech term is something like 'quality' versus 'quantity'. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Robert Scoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i don't get where this is coming from. I'm outta here. You discuss amongst yourselves. If you think it's perfect, and I'm wrong, that's cool. It's interesting that I've gotten several emails in the past few minutes agreeing with me, though (funny too that they asked not to be dragged into this here). It doesn't matter, really. Thanks to new technology like http://www.kyte.tv http://www.kyte.tv/ , http://www.seesmic.com http://www.seesmic.com/ , http://www.qik.com http://www.qik.com/ and quite a few others that are coming we don't need the tech help we once did with formats and encoding and all that. Twitter has proven to be a better place to find a friendly community and Om Malik's http://newteevee.com/ website brings a much better source of news on our industry than this group once did. I've seen the death of communities before and this one sure seems to be in decline. Message traffic is down. Helpfulness is down. And evidence of beating up on leadership is up. Good luck with that. See ya over on Twitter. Robert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: the inevitable conversation about what we're doing
I think it's in the presentation, guys. This group irritates me on far more occasions than not, so I just keep my mouth shut and lurk and only chime in if I feel I have something to contribute. Reading only the stuff that makes me happy does not make me, as an individual, any smarter. And within something one does not like, there are valuable insights. I just never felt the need to roll out the horses, carpets, trumpets and such to PROCLAIM that I. AM. SPARRRT,er uh shit, LEAAVVVINNNGGG. This is a blogger problem tho, and I suffer from it too. We can't STFU long enough to sit back, lurk and lisssten. (or uh, watch) ER ps. Jay don't put me on no wiki maaan ;) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not talking making people ashamed for having conversations, I'm talking about how their heads are stuck on sticks and paraded around town. It's very Lord Of The Flies, and nobody deserves to be treated as Piggy. But maybe in your world they do. Your actions are showing that that is how you like things to work. maybe this will be thread for who gets the last word. I have been listing lots of posts where people contribute info to the group: http://videoblogginggroup.pbwiki.com/Great-Quotes-from-the-Group everyone here is welcome to do what they like there. But Scoble has made clear how bad this group is. So let's remember it. Sorry you feel we're entering immoral territory; edit the group's wiki if you feel strongly about it. I didnt know how offended you were Schlomo. jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Video: http://ryanishungry.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9
[videoblogging] Re: Forget Apple TV - What about the Nintendo Wii ??
Biggest problem with Wii is minimal storage, whereas 360 and PS3 have drives. I've been working on various content delivery to the devices (Xbox is exception- no browser), and I've loved downloading media directly to the hard drive on the PS3. And yeah, Youtube works great as do many iPhone apps. IIRC, I think PS3 and XBox now support DiVX flavors. It's a step in a direction where many people aren't looking (don't rule out future of DS and the current support on the PSP). It might not be our current selection of trendy web apps, but it's living room-reaching, which might be big for some projects that we may come across in the future. I've always marveled at how Apple TV is supposed to compete in a culture (US anyway) where most of its functionality is in our cable or satellite boxes, almost all of which are coming with built in TiVo. Maybe Apple can get into gaming? Heheh, yeah right. :) ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you can but mainly only Youtube right now, because the Wii is using Flash 7 I think?but I did find a way on Cnet to do something pretty neat with the Wii, a media stream device, download Orb and then use the Wii to watch videos or listen to music, I have yet to try it out but plan to soon, so I will let you know.. Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Frank Sinton frank@ wrote: I just saw this chart - makes me think the path to the TV will not be through the Apple TV, but rather through the Wii (or PS3 or XBox360): http://www.vgchartz.com Has anyone experimented with online video on the Nintendo Wii? Looks like i will have a Wii in a few days. :) Building a Wii interface for Mefeedia may be a pet project over the holidays. Anyone else have one and watch online video? Regards, -Frank http://www.mefeedia.com - Discover the Video Web
[videoblogging] Re: Forget Apple TV - What about the Nintendo Wii ??
Okay, FAIL on my forum skills, I missed your original post. One thing I didn't clarify is that while the Wii has crap for storage, it falls into the 'streamy' category of things like present-day iPhones. There's a series of radio stations I listen to that are streamed via flash, and it works up until a point when the Wii's memory fills up. On the XBOX side, since I spend a lot of time sorta-kinda around the game space, I've been working out content delivery in an analog capacity. What's important here isn't 'oh how old fashioned' but I believe that analog media and its supporting materials is an art unto it self. Yes, you can certainly download a game, or you can buy the Collector's Edition with two tons of loot, nice posters, coffee table books etc to go along with it (look at the local ebGames or Gamestop, strategy guides now have these GORGEOUS art books). Pushing photo and audio media to xbox is done either by CD or flash drive at this time. The PS3 has the most well, promise, kind of. It's finally picking up in sales since Sony lowered the price; game developers take a million years to get things out the door, but I'll be damned, that hardware is awesome. Everything seems so right about it including the 'Install Other OS'. I use the built in browser (this is the same as my PSP too) to download the audio files from my music show to my PS3/PSP's drive. Here's where I see a lot of opportunity (and I've seen this for a while as many of the old school vloggers have dabbled in advanced content areas far longer than I have): the game space is unique in the sense that it engages a tremendous amount of media engagement. Audio, video, visuals, storytelling, social connections and the like. Nearly all of the skills we have as vloggers translate very well. I'd certainly recommend paying attention to the space as its predicted to hit some 40 billion dollars by 2010. Hundreds of millions of VC money is aimed at the game space. The writer's strike has so many people saying 'eff this, we'll do it ourselves' and more nerd/starlet hybrid companies will come out of it. And finally, about half of everyone plays games in any capacity big or small. /takes breath That's so exciting. Problem is, this is a walled garden of the most intense caliber. If it's not game titles that take 3 years and 20 million to make, you have to pound your way through to get on the console, get the dev kits (hey, Sony cut the price of their dev kit to $10,000 bucks, a 50% savings!). To wrap up this horrendously long post is a simple point: that we have such a DIY spirit that absolutely no medium should be a barrier (heh, ever wonder why some of us 'get' things like Second Life? It's a disruptor, just like all the other stuff we've done). All that connectivity, all the embracing of things like Flash and file downloading can be a HUGE win for us, and helps us muscle our content into a place that will be king for a long time to come: the living room. What I want to know is, of all the vimeos and blips and viddler dabbles youtubes itunes revvers seesmics etc etc etc of the world whose going to land in the living room first, on the devices that need no explanation whatsoever? This is gonna be big. ;) ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just saw this chart - makes me think the path to the TV will not be through the Apple TV, but rather through the Wii (or PS3 or XBox360): http://www.vgchartz.com Has anyone experimented with online video on the Nintendo Wii? Looks like i will have a Wii in a few days. :) Building a Wii interface for Mefeedia may be a pet project over the holidays. Anyone else have one and watch online video? Regards, -Frank http://www.mefeedia.com - Discover the Video Web
[videoblogging] Re: Forget Apple TV - What about the Nintendo Wii ??
256 MB runs out quickly. Also, can't save the file then. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Robert Scoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would be the lack of storage problem Eric Rice referred to in a different post. The Wii has no place to buffer video files (other than the very limited storage). When you run out of space for buffering video it barfs. It's funny. I'm using http://www.qik.com http://www.qik.com/ now and it doesn't need ANY local storage. Just throws all the bits up to a server. Why couldn't that be used with the Wii? Robert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Forget Apple TV - What about the Nintendo Wii ??
I'll be testing Vimeo on these consoles, only since I don't personally want to move backwards in production quality. I'm on the TV, maybe on a home theater, I want HIGHER rez and prod quality, not less. That's my preference for the living room (and why I hate the Apple TV)... I want to make those HDMI cables SING, baby, SING. Qik's also not available to the world, it's marketed like 'hey phone people look!' and it's the same mono-sell that we're so plagued with, hehe. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jake Ludington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's funny. I'm using http://www.qik.com http://www.qik.com/ now and it doesn't need ANY local storage. Just throws all the bits up to a server. Why couldn't that be used with the Wii? Doesn't qik.com proxy from a video camera (cell phones being their primary camera)? The recipient still has to cache a file on the other side, I believe, which doesn't solve the Wii problem, which is a problem of needing somewhere to temporarily cache the video you are watching. Wii has no problem with short videos, but runs into trouble when it's attempting to download minute 8 and you're watching minute 4 and there's no more room. Jake Ludington http://www.jakeludington.com
[videoblogging] Re: Forget Apple TV - What about the Nintendo Wii ??
I'd suspect gaming-related or nintendo-related content (video) is an easier sell to the console owners than run of the mill web video they can get on youtube anyway. I lose much sleep over this, heh. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was mostly worried about watching video and if this was an easy path to the TV. There are 17+ million Wii owners out there, which is way higher than Apple TV or even the iPhone. The other interesting factor is that the Wii is opening up a whole different demographic that is buying game consoles. It is cool to have a Wii at your 30-something cocktail parties... I did some research and found this: http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2007/04/13/wii-browser-out-but-why-flash-7-and-not-8-or-9 The only complaint I have is that Flash doesn't garbage collect correctly causing memory leaks, eventually resulting in a lockup of the entire system. It's more noticable on video streams. Now i am wishing Adobe would upgrade their Flash SDK for Opera browsers from v7 to v9. Maybe this problem will be fixed in newer versions. Still very optimistic and maybe Flash Lite can be used with Opera. I am determined to make this path to the TV as easy as possible. I've been dreaming of using Mefeedia.com as a Web-based TiVo for Web Video, combined with the Wii which has a built-in Opera browser and WiFi support. XBox and PS3 show some promise as well. Regards, -Frank http://www.mefeedia.com - Discover the Video Web --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Eric Rice eric@ wrote: I'll be testing Vimeo on these consoles, only since I don't personally want to move backwards in production quality. I'm on the TV, maybe on a home theater, I want HIGHER rez and prod quality, not less. That's my preference for the living room (and why I hate the Apple TV)... I want to make those HDMI cables SING, baby, SING. Qik's also not available to the world, it's marketed like 'hey phone people look!' and it's the same mono-sell that we're so plagued with, hehe. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jake Ludington jake@ wrote: It's funny. I'm using http://www.qik.com http://www.qik.com/ now and it doesn't need ANY local storage. Just throws all the bits up to a server. Why couldn't that be used with the Wii? Doesn't qik.com proxy from a video camera (cell phones being their primary camera)? The recipient still has to cache a file on the other side, I believe, which doesn't solve the Wii problem, which is a problem of needing somewhere to temporarily cache the video you are watching. Wii has no problem with short videos, but runs into trouble when it's attempting to download minute 8 and you're watching minute 4 and there's no more room. Jake Ludington http://www.jakeludington.com
[videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
One current project I haven't talked too much about has to do with delivering audio and video content to set-top boxes, not those novelty ones like slingboxes and such, but more of the XBOX, Playstation and Wii (two of which have Opera-based browsing with Flash support, two have hard drives and such). The audience is there. It's hard, but the audience is there. Will we collectively be willing to do the hard work to get the audience, or do we want the half-assed tech ethic of 'slap that crap together and pray'. That said, I believe certain content has advantages over others. Do a show about gaming, sex, cars or any of the 'religious' topics, and it will help. I'd love to know what the Escapist's video 'Zero Punctuation' gets as far as traffic because it's so painfully funny. Want to make money and get a huge audience? Do a Justin Timberlake fancast. There's a reason that MuggleCast and others are hits. Ironic, really. I also will support (but not like) the idea that hot chicks and TV training help. Look at some of the big shows. Then flip a coin. Of course there will be exceptions, and we can deconstruct all day, but when we do that, we're not quite normal, are we? When Amanda and Rocketboom split, you could almost scientifically see the gaps in how the content (and her) were perceived based on closeness to the epicenter (we were s smart and intellectual on this list, and in the distant blogosphere it was 'uh, what?' and in the mass space (USA Today blog comments) it was flat out retarded. I'm still waiting for good hi-definition content come out of this spacem, because I, like many fat bloated americans, enjoy sitting on my ass in front of my home theater (this goes totally against the indiepunkish ethos of 'well I don't owwn a television', etc) and having my ears tantalized in 7.1 surround sound. There are three types of content I adore-- Video, video and sometimes video. Sometimes it's on YouTube, sometimes it's buried in a forum someplace, and other times, it comes from a TV studio or DVD (my god I love Entourage, don't you?). We are the Content Creation Class-- we're kinda different than everyone else (read: consumers). But damn, how does your audio podcast compete with the non-interface of turning on satellite radio in the car? Apples to Oranges, and our risk for elitism just *hates* that kind of reality. :) ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13 Nov 2007, at 11:38, Bill Cammack wrote: I wondered how to drag all of those people, aimlessly streaming past me, into viewing an online show. --- Set top box. That's the only way you'll get people watching online shows. I don't know if you use the term 'set top box' in the US. I just mean a box that plugs into your TV. One that'd allow people to watch ordinary network shows on their widescreen tv and also surf internet TV. People will not watch shows on a computer. Do you know anybody who watches anything on a computer? Other than the odd bored moment surfing old TV shows on Youtube? My friends and family will watch my videoblog, mostly because I've forced them to by subscribing them via email, but they won't then go on to watch any of the vlogs I link to, or click on the URLs of people who comment. Computers are full of distractions, and are quite hard things to use if you want to concentrate on or relax to motion picture entertainment. The TV / Couch combo works. I firmly believe it's just a matter of someone bringing internet video to the couch. Until then, forget it. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
Besides, how ever did we get along with major blockbuster motion pictures and indie films? How did college radio kick ass in the abyss of Clear Channel. Do numbers actually matter? ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adam Quirk, Wreck Salvage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what we should really be asking is, How do I get on TV? BRB...loading pistol. I agree with most of this though. When I started doing this a few years ago, that question would have sounded like the antithesis of what everyone was trying to accomplish, trying to break into a walled garden. Now it sounds more like a utilitarian question, like How do I get my enclosures to show up in iTunes? That said, the television world has a lot to lose by letting the huddled masses in under their tent. I doubt the TV+Netvideo marriage going to happen as soon as people think. AQ On Nov 13, 2007 11:22 AM, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One current project I haven't talked too much about has to do with delivering audio and video content to set-top boxes, not those novelty ones like slingboxes and such, but more of the XBOX, Playstation and Wii (two of which have Opera-based browsing with Flash support, two have hard drives and such). The audience is there. It's hard, but the audience is there. Will we collectively be willing to do the hard work to get the audience, or do we want the half-assed tech ethic of 'slap that crap together and pray'. That said, I believe certain content has advantages over others. Do a show about gaming, sex, cars or any of the 'religious' topics, and it will help. I'd love to know what the Escapist's video 'Zero Punctuation' gets as far as traffic because it's so painfully funny. Want to make money and get a huge audience? Do a Justin Timberlake fancast. There's a reason that MuggleCast and others are hits. Ironic, really. I also will support (but not like) the idea that hot chicks and TV training help. Look at some of the big shows. Then flip a coin. Of course there will be exceptions, and we can deconstruct all day, but when we do that, we're not quite normal, are we? When Amanda and Rocketboom split, you could almost scientifically see the gaps in how the content (and her) were perceived based on closeness to the epicenter (we were s smart and intellectual on this list, and in the distant blogosphere it was 'uh, what?' and in the mass space (USA Today blog comments) it was flat out retarded. I'm still waiting for good hi-definition content come out of this spacem, because I, like many fat bloated americans, enjoy sitting on my ass in front of my home theater (this goes totally against the indiepunkish ethos of 'well I don't owwn a television', etc) and having my ears tantalized in 7.1 surround sound. There are three types of content I adore-- Video, video and sometimes video. Sometimes it's on YouTube, sometimes it's buried in a forum someplace, and other times, it comes from a TV studio or DVD (my god I love Entourage, don't you?). We are the Content Creation Class-- we're kinda different than everyone else (read: consumers). But damn, how does your audio podcast compete with the non-interface of turning on satellite radio in the car? Apples to Oranges, and our risk for elitism just *hates* that kind of reality. :) ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: On 13 Nov 2007, at 11:38, Bill Cammack wrote: I wondered how to drag all of those people, aimlessly streaming past me, into viewing an online show. --- Set top box. That's the only way you'll get people watching online shows. I don't know if you use the term 'set top box' in the US. I just mean a box that plugs into your TV. One that'd allow people to watch ordinary network shows on their widescreen tv and also surf internet TV. People will not watch shows on a computer. Do you know anybody who watches anything on a computer? Other than the odd bored moment surfing old TV shows on Youtube? My friends and family will watch my videoblog, mostly because I've forced them to by subscribing them via email, but they won't then go on to watch any of the vlogs I link to, or click on the URLs of people who comment. Computers are full of distractions, and are quite hard things to use if you want to concentrate on or relax to motion picture entertainment. The TV / Couch combo works. I firmly believe it's just a matter of someone bringing internet video to the couch. Until then, forget it. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Haters on Youtube - disabling comments feature request
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, you said it proves the I.F.Theory? I'm lost :) As in Interactive fiction? No, I was trying not to write: John Gabriel's Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory as illustrated here: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19 It's scalable, especially if you perform on camera. If it's public, it's showbiz. I'm going back to bed. ER
[videoblogging] And now, the good side of YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIWbH-3d2P4 Wow. ER
[videoblogging] For Dan McVicar (was Re: Loren Feldman = Technigga)
I was imagining the swath of video's comments if it was on YouTube. I also imagined this video if Chris Rock did it. I also keep thinking about that Read a Book animated short that was featured on BET some time ago that made the rounds. (NSFW, language, etc, disclaim, disclaim, etc) http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1767003 Do we allow ourselves to find something funny if we have the context around it to imply that it's okay? A black guy did it and BET approves for example, kinda says a lot. If a white guy did Read a Book...? Holy crap. The other problem is the universal belief in what's acceptable or not. Take two people, same race, opposing opinions on the word 'nigga' for example. It's an awesome argument that can never be won or lost. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles Hope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bourgeois? This sort of humor is much, much more commonly enjoyed by lower class whites. In educated circles, such as this list, racist humor is universally denounced. As the past 30 emails monotonously indicate! In other cultures around the world, racist humor is typically acceptable, only liberal western societies having declared war upon it in the name of globalism. Instead of exhibiting white privledge, this episode exhibits white repression, being the unique culture where xenophobia is forbidden. --- original message --- From: Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [videoblogging] For Dan McVicar (was Re: Loren Feldman = Technigga) Date: August 5, 2007 Time: 3:42:39 If the piece were thought-provoking and went beyond the tactics of neo-blackface tactics found amongst white American bourgeois males (see links below, and those are merely the ones I could find in a two minute span) to make his point, I would say Loren Feldman was an artist and not a self-indulgent, racist attention whore. What's sad is that even if Feldman had the best of intentions, he endorses and encourages the use of satire as a means of confirming one's privileged white straight bourgeois place in society by so clearly displaying and making fun of what one is not in front of their white straight bourgeois peers. Is it any coincidence that Feldman, a hungry and driven entrepreneur moving in circles dominated by white straight bourgeois males (several with money to part with), would feel no qualms in posting such a thing? http://youtube.com/watch?v=7H52mjVINt4 http://youtube.com/watch?v=XLh7AvyWk1Q http://radgeek.com/gt/2006/11/03/thanks_bro http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0DXK/is_17_20/ai_110263213 http://www.tolerance.org/news/article_tol.jsp?id=713 On 05/08/07, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: Hey Bill, Interesting post. I noticed straightaway that you posted here and on Twitter with no explanation or comment, and figured you were fishing for our reactions. I don't doubt that he's well-connected and clued-up. I agree with you that I'm sure he doesn't believe that's the only way the black TechCrunch could possibly be. And as you say, I'm sure he doesn't think this stuff and that his view of black people isn't that limited. And I'm fine with him dissing people. I think attacking people personally and aggressively and making fun of them is a terrible way to make a living, but I don't have to watch. Yes. IMO, it's unfortunate. You hear stories of rock bands where the members detest each other, but they have no other way of making good money, so they stay together. Terrible way to make a living, but better than minimum wage. There are lots of people with no niche at all. Some of them wish they could be sarcastic and caustic... Others are glad that that's not their lot in life. I've thought this all along, and so I don't feel Hornswoggled :) For me, the point is that whatever he believes, starting a conversation and satire... to bring up a point is not enough justification for this video. Good point. There are many BETTER ways to start the exact same conversation without offending people. Perhaps he thinks his role is to break the boundaries of what we consider acceptable and be a shit-stirrer. Fair play. But I say that there are some things that I'd rather people didn't mess about with like rebellious kids, and then claim they have some kind of moral diplomatic immunity because what they're doing is 'satire'. As in everything, there's a line you can cross where you start doing more harm than good. Where that line is, it's hard to tell - so if you care about not doing harm, you have to be careful. Unless you don't care about what harm you do because the controversy helps you get more viewers. Or, unless you don't care what harm you do to people, PERIOD. My goal is not to defend the person or the methods, and
[videoblogging] For Dan McVicar (was Re: Loren Feldman = Technigga)
Right, that's my point about differences on the same coin. Even if it was 50/50... who then determines what is right or not if there's nothing unilateral? ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the record, a lot of African-Americans dislike, abhor and will not watch BET. It has not been BET since it was sold it to Sumner Redstone's Viacom. It was sliding downhill before the purchase. Viacom has systematically stripped BET of its news and public affairs departments, the hours of faith based programming and anything else that did not include a 40oz and a gold chain. They amplify the stereotype. There are alternatives like TVOne http://www.tvoneonline.com and formerly the Black Family Channel which is making its transition to broadband distribution. This is why videoblogging and alternative media distribution is so important. And would Chris Rock need to insert a clip from a poontang clip to make his point? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Eric Rice eric@ wrote: I was imagining the swath of video's comments if it was on YouTube. I also imagined this video if Chris Rock did it. I also keep thinking about that Read a Book animated short that was featured on BET some time ago that made the rounds. (NSFW, language, etc, disclaim, disclaim, etc) http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1767003 Do we allow ourselves to find something funny if we have the context around it to imply that it's okay? A black guy did it and BET approves for example, kinda says a lot. If a white guy did Read a Book...? Holy crap. The other problem is the universal belief in what's acceptable or not. Take two people, same race, opposing opinions on the word 'nigga' for example. It's an awesome argument that can never be won or lost. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles Hope charles@ wrote: Bourgeois? This sort of humor is much, much more commonly enjoyed by lower class whites. In educated circles, such as this list, racist humor is universally denounced. As the past 30 emails monotonously indicate! In other cultures around the world, racist humor is typically acceptable, only liberal western societies having declared war upon it in the name of globalism. Instead of exhibiting white privledge, this episode exhibits white repression, being the unique culture where xenophobia is forbidden. --- original message --- From: Jeffrey Taylor thejeffreytaylor@ Subject: Re: [videoblogging] For Dan McVicar (was Re: Loren Feldman = Technigga) Date: August 5, 2007 Time: 3:42:39 If the piece were thought-provoking and went beyond the tactics of neo-blackface tactics found amongst white American bourgeois males (see links below, and those are merely the ones I could find in a two minute span) to make his point, I would say Loren Feldman was an artist and not a self-indulgent, racist attention whore. What's sad is that even if Feldman had the best of intentions, he endorses and encourages the use of satire as a means of confirming one's privileged white straight bourgeois place in society by so clearly displaying and making fun of what one is not in front of their white straight bourgeois peers. Is it any coincidence that Feldman, a hungry and driven entrepreneur moving in circles dominated by white straight bourgeois males (several with money to part with), would feel no qualms in posting such a thing? http://youtube.com/watch?v=7H52mjVINt4 http://youtube.com/watch?v=XLh7AvyWk1Q http://radgeek.com/gt/2006/11/03/thanks_bro http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0DXK/is_17_20/ai_110263213 http://www.tolerance.org/news/article_tol.jsp?id=713 On 05/08/07, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: Hey Bill, Interesting post. I noticed straightaway that you posted here and on Twitter with no explanation or comment, and figured you were fishing for our reactions. I don't doubt that he's well-connected and clued-up. I agree with you that I'm sure he doesn't believe that's the only way the black TechCrunch could possibly be. And as you say, I'm sure he doesn't think this stuff and that his view of black people isn't that limited. And I'm fine with him dissing people. I think attacking people personally and aggressively and making fun of them is a terrible way to make a living, but I don't have to watch. Yes. IMO, it's unfortunate. You hear stories of rock bands where the members detest each other, but they have no other way of making good money, so they stay together. Terrible way to make a living, but better than minimum wage. There are lots of people
[videoblogging] For Dan McVicar (was Re: Loren Feldman = Technigga)
I'd agree. Unfortunately, I believe that all people are prejudiced (of which racism is a subset), regardless of whether it's positive or negative. Doesn't make the issue any more right or wrong. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im Native American. So, according to BET, it's ok for me to make jokes full of racist stereotypes about Native Americans? I think not. Is it ok if I make jokes about white people because my wife is white? Again, I think not. Universally, racial jokes are never ok. Not innocent little nudge-nudge wink-wink jokes or full blown racist hate mongering. It's never ok and those that make those jokes, for whatever reason, should not be let off the hook. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Eric Rice eric@ wrote: Do we allow ourselves to find something funny if we have the context around it to imply that it's okay? A black guy did it and BET approves for example, kinda says a lot. If a white guy did Read a Book...? Holy crap. The other problem is the universal belief in what's acceptable or not. Take two people, same race, opposing opinions on the word 'nigga' for example. It's an awesome argument that can never be won or lost. ER
[videoblogging] For Dan McVicar (was Re: Loren Feldman = Technigga)
Sadly, when I heard 'Black Scoble' the first thing that came to mind was 'great, even more yammering about Facebook. AUGH' There are like five other conversations to be had about the video beyond the race and humor conversations. Heh. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ractalfece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, danielmcvicar danielmcvicar@ wrote: After reading these posts, and my original post, I found something that I am not too happy with. I was originally looking for ways to make the bit work, but now realize, that this attempt at comedy is far too steeped in racism. We don't need to represent Loren Feldman in a hood, or bring up more stereotypes. I disagree. He starts out the video with the question where are the black tech bloggers? And it was reminiscent of when Renetto asked why aren't there more Black people on youtube? http://youtube.com/watch?v=HBNBNxrrGb0 This is who I think he was attempting to satirize. The privileged liberal white guy who is oblivious to his privilege. I think there's a rich vein of material here. And I think he intended his message to be, look at me, I'm so not a racist because I at least know enough about black culture (I own fiddy's albums) that I can make fun of it. And I'm comfortable doing it. I'm not like those other white tech guys who tip-toe around this issue like they're in shark infested water. But he has such a weak grip on his art, he doesn't realize what he's actually doing is asking the question, why are there no black tech bloggers? and answering it with it's cause they're pimps and hoes. The sentiments of a true racist. It could have been done right and actually been funny if he had a clue of what he was doing.
[videoblogging] Re: Loren Feldman = Technigga
Ah, this line from that: This is especially disturbing at a time when African-American students can be stigmatized by other African-American students if they're too obviously diligent about school. I went to high school late 80s, and this was the case, back then. Is there a term for this? When you can be discriminated against by your own race? Is that intra-racism or whatever? White kids acting too white is bad. White kids acting too black is bad. Black kids acting too black is bad. Black kids acting too white is bad. *head explodes* I think we just over intellectualized the fuck outta this. In short: LOREN, YOUR SHIT WASN'T FUNNY AND YOUR STEREOTYPES ARE 10 YEARS BEHIND. ALSO, FACEBOOK LOLZ. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles Hope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nerdiness, she has concluded, is largely a matter of racially tinged behavior. In declining to appropriate African-American youth culture, thereby refusing to exercise the racial privilege upon which white youth cultures are founded, she writes, nerds may even be viewed as traitors to whiteness. http://tinyurl.com/2yabex Bill Cammack wrote: Loren Feldman = Technigga http://1938media.blip.tv/file/326972/ Yahoo! Groups Links
[videoblogging] Re: The Loren Feldman / Technigga Question No One Wants to Ask
I actually had a tinfoil moment earlier about 'what if the whole thing was planned', and everyone's name is assigned a number on a board someplace, as a wager on expected responses. We think we're individuals and thinkers, but hypothetically not. I have been fascinated with the predictability of everything, people's responses, memes, and the like. It's a theory I am working through in fiction. That the human (especially the data publishing ones like us) are so able to be manipulated because we can mine all of our content for data. Make a chart of vloggers with (include the laws of differences (read: those that would be offended/those that wouldn't)). Then, make a couple test charts, one for vloggers in yahoo, one for youtubers, one for general populace. Engineer poorly done racial/controversial content. Write down the responses. Naturally, I doubt this is the case. But hey, it's why I'm gravitating to fiction now, because I can take the most nuanced thing and make it big. After all, we do publish so much online willingly, that we have become Big Brother, more stalkable, and easier to wage psychological warfare on. Look at how much personal opinions people have just published in just this thread alone. That's a lot to work with, eh? Also, I have no opinions or thoughts about your post, but I had to get my tinfoil out there. Far-fetched, sure. Not unthinkable. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, stbdpittsburgh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, so I did something I should have done earlier in this encyclic conversation: I finally watched the damn video. Now, here's what I think (beyond the fact that Feldman's comic timing is far from sharp): I think it's possible that we're all missing the point. (Or, since there's no context provided for the video, a point.) And that point is: What if Loren Feldman is right? I don't mean right about what we've widely suspected is his routinely negative POV about African-American culture as a whole -- which would be the extremist suspicion about the motives behind making this video. I mean, what if what Loren Feldman is saying is: Why is the African-American culture so far removed from the technological discussion? Or, for that matter, the pop culture discussion? Or: why is everything ABOUT African-Americans in pop culture so damn negative in the FIRST place, and what do we do about it? By and large, the (negative) white estimation of black culture is that black culture purposefully celebrates anti-social, misogynistic, separatist ideals that conspire to create a detrimental sub-culture, which then defines African-Americans as self-imposed outcasts united as perpetual underdogs against the existing (read: oppressive, white-controlled) system. (Doubt it? Listened to the radio lately?) If THAT'S the source of the concept for Technigga -- and I'm not saying it IS, but it COULD be -- then what if the question that's REALLY being asked is: What's it going to take for African-American pop culture (in general -- not just via technology) to step up and become a force for positive change, rather than reveling in all that's controversial and otherwise abrasive to a multicultural forward movement? Caveat: I'm aware that the picture I painted doesn't represent ALL black culture. That's no more logical than saying all white culture stems from John Wayne's ideals, or that African-Americans don't contribute to the holistic multicultural experience every day; they obviously do. But you wouldn't know it if your entire media consumption was derived from MTV, Paramount and The Source... Caveat 2: It's rewarding to believe that all of this goes without saying, and that I might be pilloried for bringing up the obvious -- that everyone on this thread already KNOWS that black culture is far more multifaceted than pop culture would have us believe. But let's hop off our high horses of indignance for a moment and look at the bigger picture -- if WE know it, why doesn't everyone else? Can of worms, thou hast been opened.
[videoblogging] Re: Owning a television...
Satellite TiVO in every room except the kids'-- they just have a DVD TV-- and our main is a 42 HD home theater 7.1 surround blah blah. Video game consoles are connected to them, etc. I also search for copyrighted content on YouTube, watch vlogs and vlog shows more now that I carry an iPhone with me, and I buy music videos on iTunes. I also buy movies in small formats (UMD, iTunes, etc) when they are something I'm too afraid to spend full price on. (Final Fantasy for example, glad I didn't pay full price for the DVD-- but 'Renaissance' I'm SO buying the DVD.) Also, I should, but don't, use Netflix hardly at all anymore. Too much to watch on TV + Web + Device. Too much. Too much good stuff. Too much crap. TOO MUCH. AUGH. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, beth_tilston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanted to conduct a quick straw poll to see how many people here don't own a/don't watch 'normal' tv. I was just reading a message from MissB where she comments on the fact that she doesn't have a tv. I know Tanja from Freshtopia doesn't, I don't either. It would be interesting to find out whether this is true of lots of people here, or just a few. Is there any correlation between turning off your television and making the content yourself? Just thought I would throw that question to the group. Beth --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, beth_tilston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanted to conduct a quick straw poll to see how many people here don't own a/don't watch 'normal' tv. I was just reading a message from MissB where she comments on the fact that she doesn't have a tv. I know Tanja from Freshtopia doesn't, I don't either. It would be interesting to find out whether this is true of lots of people here, or just a few. Is there any correlation between turning off your television and making the content yourself? Just thought I would throw that question to the group. Beth
[videoblogging] Re: Haters on Youtube - disabling comments feature request
Kinda wish YouTube would remember default preferences. I set to moderate everything.. If I make a mistake in the form before I go to post, when it reloads the page, it resets the preferences. That's bad design. I don't want useless comments and moderation helps that. Ah, the door to Oz is open. On the other side is the rest of the world and it proves the I.F.Theory. :) ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, further to our discussion about Haters on Youtube - sure enough, I posted a video yesterday that got a few hundred views and I got a really nasty comment from someone with an anonymous account who just wanted to insult anyone who posts a video. I nuked it, and blocked him, but I couldn't find the delete button in my brain. Feature request. For me, the solution is to disable comments totally on videos where I appear. If it's a video of something else, fine - but I don't want to court personal abuse. I had enough of that at school from the seniors who were in charge of our dormitories, thank you very much. That's what it took me back to. I'm tacking 'talk to me @twittervlog.tv onto the end of all my videos now - knowing that these idiots won't make the effort to abuse anyone on another site. It's a limitation to developing conversations and connections on YouTube, but not a dealbreaker. It's as good a compromise as I can find at the moment. I also wrote to one of the two guys who started Youtube - the tech guy, Steve Chen - asking him to add a Mark as inappropriate link alongside the Mark as spam link in the Comments section, so that serial Haters could get tracked and deleted. At present, there's no comeback. I'm sure this would make a lot of people more comfortable about using YouTube, since that seems to be a big concern to videobloggers - how do any of you feel? Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/
[videoblogging] Re: State of the Vlogosphere, Vol 2 – Trends in Online Video
Brook, When you say LiveVideo is that a product or the recent explosion in 'live' video (uStream, BlogTV, justin.tv et al)? It's amazing watching the impact of live-streamed video on both audio and video podcasts and blogging. When/if YouTube hits that, we'll see another surge yet again. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LiveVideo is chock full of videoblogs. Conspiciously missing. Brook On 7/30/07, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Mefeedia's put out the latest State of the Vlogospere... http://mefeedia.com/blog/2007/07/202/ See what's happening in the world of vlogging, Internet TV, vodcasting, the NewTube, or whatever you call it. See ya -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. http://ChangeLog.ca/ Vlog Razor... Vlogging News http://vlograzor.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's image?
Creative Commons is a license that I, as a creator, can put on my work, that tells you what you can do with it up front. You don't have to deal with getting in touch with me and negotiating. It's done up front. That's hardly silly, don't be trollish, dude. 3 (I say that with love) I think the thing that burns people the most is the names involved. That's why (and trust me, all involved are homies), it irritates the piss out of me that it's not handled. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adam Quirk, Wreck Salvage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been surprised by all the vitriol. I'd have thought that Podtech would have built up a couple brownie points with y'all by now, what with their paying you real money, and hosting awards shows for us all to circle-jerk at. Maybe the lesson here is to get paid First? Once you put something online, you don't own it anymore than you can claim to own a rainbow hovering above your house. It's in the public consciousness, part of the firehose of experiences that we all consume, transitory experiences. I think especially in this case since it's a digital photo of Casey McKinnon, if anyone has a claim to some money it would be her. If someone else made a recording of a song I was playing, and royalties were to be paid for that recording, I'd likely be the one to receive them. But I wouldn't demand them. Something just sits wrong with me when I hear about people billing other people for services that they weren't hired to provide. Creative Commons is pretty silly, not as silly as traditional copyright, but pretty silly. I'm heading out of town now so I won't be able to respond to any shit slung my way for a while :) P.S. Lan, you're a badass photog, I'm glad I found your work via this mess. -Adam On 6/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we give this a rest for a week or two and see what happens? This group does some very cool things and discovers news worthy information all the time and this has the two side talking. It sounds like something is going to happen and that this will come to a settlement but I don't think that will happen untill after the 4th of July so can we pause for a little while, bring it back up later if we need to and move on to some fun stuff like What iPhone line is Steve Garfield standing in? or Why is Ask a Ninja going to Israel ? Tim Tim Street Creator/Executive Producer French Maid TV The Viral Video of How To's by French Maids http://frenchmaidtv.com Subscribe for FREE on ahref=http://www.frenchmaidtv.com/itunes target=_blankiTunes/a On Jun 29, 2007, at 9:46 AM, Devlon Duthie wrote: I'm with Carl. If we want to use crowd 'weight' wouldn't an email/blog/pr frenzy be more effective? also, just saying :) -- -Devlon http://devlonduthie.com | http://mefeedia.com | http://node-64.com/ blog MSN: du.th.ied AIM: devlond -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carl Weaver Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:02 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's image? I have a problem with raising money for Lan on the list. Yes, Lan deserves his fees (and 3 times that because of the infringement) but to raise it ourselves lets Podtech off the hook a little bit. Okay, so Lan is paid - why should Podtech cough up the dough then? I'm just sayin'... Carl Carl Weaver Photographer http://www.carlweaver.com http://www.camerasamurai.com - Photography education, news, tips and more http://dcmetrostories.com - DC Metro Stories: Stories about the people, places and events in the DC Metro area http://nextlifeintheafternoon.com - A Journey Through Thailand Michael Sullivan wrote: no comment except that i bet we could organize a little crowdfunding effort to pay lan before podtech does. care for some competition, podtech? lan, how much do we need to raise? Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's image?
I expect this kinda of nonsense from the Adam Curry/Podshow crowd, not from Podtech. Creative Commons licenses MUST be enforced. There is no 'well, yes but...' about it. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, schlomo rabinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh my, Robert, you are not guilting this list with this are you? It's a business; if you didnt see some sort of value in paying these content providers, you guys wouldn't pay them! Don't turn it into altruism. Same with the Vloggies; if there wasn't some buzz for Podtech created around the Vloggies, you guys wouldn't have done it. The fact that you folks lost a ton of money is probably from bad planning and budgeting more than anything else. I like you Robert, but your point here just hit me the wrong way. It's smarmy and misguided. Do you blame Lan that Podtech burned through millions of dollars? Should we blame him for the Middle East conflict as well? You know how these things play out: Someone at Podtech screwed up with using the photo without permission, so company should pay for it somehow. Call it the Oops, I Screwed Up Tax. You either pay in the court of Public Opinion, or you just quietly pay Lan his due. At the end of the day, it's typical business! You know that. Schlomo http://schlomolog.blogspot.com http://weknowhow.tv http://winkshow.com http://hatfactory.net On 6/28/07, Robert Scoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In our defense, we're paying tons of content providers all over the world and we lost a TON of money on Vloggies. We invested in the community and now are negotiating with you. Robert From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com[mailto: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lan Bui Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:31 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's image? I am trying to be patient. Maybe while I wait for them I can read Naked Conversations, the back cover alone has very interesting ideas on it. -Lan www.LanBui.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com , Michael Verdi michaelverdi@ wrote: Any word on this yet? I'd love to hear PodTech say, yes, we made a mistake and are working on fixing it or we didn't do anything wrong and here's why or something at all. They've been pretty quiet about the whole thing. Which seems odd as I look up from what I'm typing and notice my copy of Naked Conversations on the bookshelf not 12 inches away. - Verdi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's image?
It's a transparent world. Someone gets pissed off and talks about it and the customers, the market, the conversation, will rage on...the Cluetrain taught us that. Naked Conversations taught us something similar. Lack of communication and transparency in public is the fastest way for MORE noise to be made. Because the people can move faster than any PR dept. It's blogging 101 I suppose. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I could be wrong about the professional aspect and it is better/legally necessary to keep such discussions private, I suppose, like Scoble said. Its just frustrating to be presented with one side of a story and not to be able to find out if its being sorted amicably or the devilish details. The thing about losing a ton of money on the vloggies definately winds me up. Surely the event itself wasnt supposed to create cash. Surely the reasons for putting money into it are part of business plans, the money spent in the name of publicity. The same reason seagate would pay you to advertise with you, or give away freebies for a competition. The business of podtech is to sell an audience to advertisers, at the end of the day, and so I dont buy into any arguments that its doing a great service for vloggers out of the goodness of its own heart. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Heh maybe not Curry in this case, as he's the one who took a magazine to court for using a creative commons-licensed photo of his without permission. I am totally amazed podtech havent attempted to present their case, or a part of it, in public. Really crappy and unprofessional, I dont know what excuse you have, but going on about how much good you do for vloggers is no defense, its wound me up the wrong way (easily done, it has to be said). Shame, shame, and how come you guys dont seem to have any? Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Eric Rice eric@ wrote: I expect this kinda of nonsense from the Adam Curry/Podshow crowd, not from Podtech. Creative Commons licenses MUST be enforced. There is no 'well, yes but...' about it. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, schlomo rabinowitz schlomo@ wrote: Oh my, Robert, you are not guilting this list with this are you? It's a business; if you didnt see some sort of value in paying these content providers, you guys wouldn't pay them! Don't turn it into altruism. Same with the Vloggies; if there wasn't some buzz for Podtech created around the Vloggies, you guys wouldn't have done it. The fact that you folks lost a ton of money is probably from bad planning and budgeting more than anything else. I like you Robert, but your point here just hit me the wrong way. It's smarmy and misguided. Do you blame Lan that Podtech burned through millions of dollars? Should we blame him for the Middle East conflict as well? You know how these things play out: Someone at Podtech screwed up with using the photo without permission, so company should pay for it somehow. Call it the Oops, I Screwed Up Tax. You either pay in the court of Public Opinion, or you just quietly pay Lan his due. At the end of the day, it's typical business! You know that. Schlomo http://schlomolog.blogspot.com http://weknowhow.tv http://winkshow.com http://hatfactory.net On 6/28/07, Robert Scoble robertscoble@ wrote: In our defense, we're paying tons of content providers all over the world and we lost a TON of money on Vloggies. We invested in the community and now are negotiating with you. Robert From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com[mailto: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lan Bui Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:31 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's image? I am trying to be patient. Maybe while I wait for them I can read Naked Conversations, the back cover alone has very interesting ideas on it. -Lan www.LanBui.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com , Michael Verdi michaelverdi@ wrote: Any word on this yet? I'd love to hear PodTech say, yes, we made a mistake and are working on fixing it or we didn't do anything wrong and here's why or something at all. They've been pretty quiet about the whole thing. Which seems odd as I look up from what I'm typing and notice my copy of Naked
[videoblogging] Re: Youtube / vbweek07
Isn't the tagline of the fauxpress something like It's not done alone or something like that? That's part of the reason I'm taking everyone to collective task on this, it's not done alone and I'm no keeper of the vlog evangelism. I posted solutions over there of how. Heck, I hope the Vloggies team takes note as well (and we share the same boss). Anyway, busting y'alls balls cuz I luv all y'alls. :_ ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's sometimes difficult to understand in the digital group dynamic is that you can always step up and fill in the gaps. Just do it. No one needs blessings or permission. That said, feedback is often good. In this case there's room and opportunity for YouTube ambassadors to reach out. Do it! And let us know how it goes. Jan On 3/25/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: when we have an event like vbloggingweek, surely the onus is on those who know about it to market it to those who don't, rather than on them to break their habits and come beyond their walls. that way we will get more varied responses from the minority of YT users to whom it would appeal but who otherwise wouldn't hear about it. i'm all for that. there are 43 videos tagged for videobloggingweek06 on the whole of Youtube. Nothing for 07 under any variety of searches, and it's just a few days away. Josh Leo, you are a YouTube hero and VB week promoter... can you trail it to your zillion viewers?? :-) surely it's too big a pool of people to not reach out to? this is absolutely a good idea. perfect time for someone to step up and make a promo video. as you say...i dont think anyone here discriminates against youtubers. our communities just have different tech needs and interests. but in the end...we're all making video. who has time to make some promos videos for VideoBlogging Week 2007 for Youtube? By the way...we're planning a pretty cool event this Saturday in SF to kick of the rest of the week. more details to come. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: I'm a WHATmaster? Lonelygirl15 Creators Appear at ARGfest-o-Con
Oo, sull, you're paying attention to the ARG space? We gotta talk. ;-) ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Here is an interesting post and video from ARGFest (i really wanted to go to this!). The creators of LonelyGirl15 talk about how they were dragged into the world of Alternate Reality Gaming after they started the LonelyGirl15 experiment. http://www.argn.com/archive/ 000559im_a_whatmaster_the_lonelygirl15_creators_appear_at_argfestocon_to_tell_us_why _they_love_their_fans_in_spite_of_themselves.php Sounds like they are also open to incorporating more fan created videos and scriptwriters to help progress the official ARG running called OpAphid which was originally created by a fan and later adopted by the LonelyGirl15 crew. http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=OpAphid fyi. -- Sull http://vlogdir.com (a project) http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) http://interdigitate.com (otherly) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: blog vs youtube myspace
Actually, I'd admit, I raged on YouTube back in the day when it opened on this list, and have had a change of opinion seeing how the market responded... Videoblogging Yahoo Group, circa probably, what, early 2005? My account is from June and I was a bit late to the YT party then, since their TOS was horrible back then. That's part of the reason I bailed from the list for a while, it felt so judge, jury, and executioner about vlogging. Like we are the center of the universe or something since have coherent conversations. We're not. We just suffer from the same problem that 3248734928347298 web 2.0 startups in the bay area here suffer from. We think our shit don't stink and that unwashed Walmart mass culture doesn't matter because *we* might object to it. The Horror! ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was some talk in this group about youtuber's that I thought was a bit snobbish a while ago, because it made me rant, but it was probably only mild and it can be hard to seperate criticism of the service with those using it sometimes. But on a certain level I would not be surprised if the 'brand repputation' of youtube can heavily influence the reputation of someone posting there. I could forsee plenty of exceptions, a show that gets enough attention will be talked about in terms of itself, that its on youtube is incidental. And this just re-inforces the fact that one off clips, copyrighted stuff, other popular 'viral' videos without a strong identity of their own are what will link most strongly to the word 'youtube'. If there is any snobbishness around, I suppose its bourn from some peoples high expectations and ideals about what videoblogging would be used for. What I could describe as the 'liberal intellectual' wing could understandably make such noises sometimes. Reminds me of the old days of British broadcast television... First there was the BBC, which was (and remains) very paternalistic. Lots of corporate agenda's focussed on their role in society as a public service, and lots of intellectual thinking on how the medium could be used for the masses to better themselves. Resulting in lots of high-brow programming that could be a bit stuffy. Then along came the first commercial channel, ITV, which didnt mind putting on lots of cheap popular entertainment, which got very high viewing figures, gave a lot of people what they wanted, but was regarded by the aforementioned BBC patriarch's as 'vulgar'. I guess its not a new phenomenon, and 'class' still matters, unfortunately, no matter if everyone pretends it doesnt mean anything anymore. vlogtellectuals vs youtube, bbc vs itv, music hall vs opera and stuff like that. Plus humans are dead good at noticing differences. What seperates us, why are they different, they seem like a different tribe. Even something like using webcams as the norm rather than DV cams can create a funny sort of divide and noticable difference. I have to be careful here too because class may play a role in that - for poorer humans, webcams are a lot more accessible. Anyway I just cant use the word youtube as one blanket description for content type anymore. There seems to be 3 or 4 very different ways of using youtube. Much of the actual community/social aspect of it seemed extremely similar to social networking sites, with the same age bias and some underlying sense of a lot of youthful energy , directed at the sorts of things young people focus on. So I was extremely happy o see how popular that old uk bloke is on there, geriatric1927 or whatever his handle is. Yes there are quite a lot of people past their teens and 20's on there, but Im sure age is one imbalance that has a marked effect on youtube, its certainly responsible for many of the awful text comments. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mark Day markdaycomedy@ wrote: Q: Why are videobloggers like mainstream media executives? A: They both look down on people who post videos on YouTube. Actually, that's unfair. To mainstream media executives (ba - dum - bing!) It's funny, as we like to say in comedy, because it's true. Just some food for thought. Cheers Mark Day http://markdaycomedy.blip.tv http://www.youtube.com/markdaycomedy http://www.myspace.com/markday For the most part, I agree with your generalization. Of course generalizations don't apply to everyone and perhaps not even most people, though one could gather from the conversations that go on in this group that you would be correct. YouTube is a vehicle... an arena. Nothing more and nothing less. There are people that have technical issues with YT and complain that they're a closed environment. That really doesn't have anything to do with the
[videoblogging] Re: blog vs youtube myspace
Totally offtopic kinda, but were you here for the great and mighty EL Woody and Cheryl Shuman incidents? That was some prime time stuff. :D ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Eric, like you say, you raged on YouTube... but that's different from the users, isn't it...? which was what the original question was about. i think you're maybe right about the tone of discussions here some of the time. I'm not a bay area guy, or even an authority on anything, but I think we could have handled ourselves a little more sweetly when, for instance, Steve Chen of YouTube came to the Group like an eager puppy telling us that we were his focus group for telling him what his site should do and everyone basically told him his site was crap and they wouldn't use it. What incentive did he then have to change things for the better? I think the energy and rage comes from all these people who can see the way that things *could* be great, and the thought that Opening Things Up is the right way to go, and Closing Things Off is bad. In board meetings, talking to funders, and in all corporate decisions, it takes quite a lot of bravery to advocate a different way of doing things. Lord knows, I was never successful in persuading my board to even use web video to talk to investors, let alone tackle web 2.0 type things. Perhaps we could adopt a less aggressive tone towards those who do things 'badly', and rant about them less. But then maybe that would dissipate the great energy I see here. Who knows. All I know is that I never wrote to Steve Chen with my thoughts like I meant to a couple of weeks ago, and that I now have to go and clear out the hallway cupboard because it smells of dead mouse. Rupert http://www.fatgirlinohio.org http://crowdabout.us/fatgirlinohio/myshow On 6 Mar 2007, at 20:13, Eric Rice wrote: Actually, I'd admit, I raged on YouTube back in the day when it opened on this list, and have had a change of opinion seeing how the market responded... Videoblogging Yahoo Group, circa probably, what, early 2005? My account is from June and I was a bit late to the YT party then, since their TOS was horrible back then. That's part of the reason I bailed from the list for a while, it felt so judge, jury, and executioner about vlogging. Like we are the center of the universe or something since have coherent conversations. We're not. We just suffer from the same problem that 3248734928347298 web 2.0 startups in the bay area here suffer from. We think our shit don't stink and that unwashed Walmart mass culture doesn't matter because *we* might object to it. The Horror! ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: There was some talk in this group about youtuber's that I thought was a bit snobbish a while ago, because it made me rant, but it was probably only mild and it can be hard to seperate criticism of the service with those using it sometimes. But on a certain level I would not be surprised if the 'brand repputation' of youtube can heavily influence the reputation of someone posting there. I could forsee plenty of exceptions, a show that gets enough attention will be talked about in terms of itself, that its on youtube is incidental. And this just re-inforces the fact that one off clips, copyrighted stuff, other popular 'viral' videos without a strong identity of their own are what will link most strongly to the word 'youtube'. If there is any snobbishness around, I suppose its bourn from some peoples high expectations and ideals about what videoblogging would be used for. What I could describe as the 'liberal intellectual' wing could understandably make such noises sometimes. Reminds me of the old days of British broadcast television... First there was the BBC, which was (and remains) very paternalistic. Lots of corporate agenda's focussed on their role in society as a public service, and lots of intellectual thinking on how the medium could be used for the masses to better themselves. Resulting in lots of high-brow programming that could be a bit stuffy. Then along came the first commercial channel, ITV, which didnt mind putting on lots of cheap popular entertainment, which got very high viewing figures, gave a lot of people what they wanted, but was regarded by the aforementioned BBC patriarch's as 'vulgar'. I guess its not a new phenomenon, and 'class' still matters, unfortunately, no matter if everyone pretends it doesnt mean anything anymore. vlogtellectuals vs youtube, bbc vs itv, music hall vs opera and stuff like that. Plus humans are dead good at noticing differences. What seperates us, why are they different, they seem like a different tribe. Even something like using webcams as the norm
[videoblogging] Re: blog vs youtube myspace
Ease of use, maybe? Setting up a podcast, audio or video, is just irritating, becasue everyone has some different angle on how to do it. There's something to be said for a format. Yeah, we can argue about individuality and wanting something better until the cows come home. Also, the expressive, personal, non-promotional crowd might not be one of the best to ask this to... Being part of a 'place' where you have an audience and can be seen? Ewww, stinky answer. Well maybe Current.tv might take a lesson from 'em. On the meter of person, micro, and mass media, I think YouTube fits between the micro and mass marks. I'd be curious if anyone who is a regular YouTuber even cares about people going to their own site? Or, maybe contextually, their myspace? And even then, everyone else is there. At least I know other mySpaces went through the same process as me. Same with YouTube. And ah, yes, the comments. Get popular enough or cover something that has a wide appeal, and the comments, that concentric circle 'conversation' (ask Amanda about that) gets vicious. I'm doing a new show, I'm getting paid to vlog, it's pretty sweet. But honestly, it's on a topic that has a wide appeal, no matter how punky hippie I make it. I have to be mentally prepared to face the legions head on, and be willing to say, hey, you know what, I'm not interested in your conversation. YouTube represents the flipside-- it's the mass reality of everday people fitting snugly into that mode that the idealist inside of us despises. It slapped RSS in the face, by debunking our ideals of 'ohhh i wanna take it wth mee'. Apparently, that didn't seem to be the case for a little part of the population. So, we ignore it, we embrace it, or we lock and load and pull on some iron fists. It's more anarchy than democracy, but hey, both movements can have little flags and berets. Power! ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always been interested in why young people prefer to post on youtube myspace versus on their own (video)blog (for the comments of course!) - in this group we seem to think having your own vlog is much superior. But today I realized: my photos are on flickr, instead of having my own instance of some opensource script like Gallery - for the community aspect (and the superior functionality), so isn't that the same? Just a thought. P -- Find 1s of videoblogs and podcasts at http://mefeedia.com my blog: http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/ my job: http://petervandijck.net
[videoblogging] Re: blog vs youtube myspace
The part that fascinates is how so many people willingly submit to that competitive machine is all. Today's youth and all. Heh. Oh, and I never published muched to Everyday Films, in fact, I haven't vlogged in half a year, nor done a podcast. So most feeds aside from blog are dead (it's all a universal feed, same url for everything) ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Eric, At the risk of repeating myself, I agree that the strength of YouTube is to have a place where you can have an audience and be seen. I also agree that that has the potential for great power. And I'm not rejecting YouTube on principle, or because I'm particularly ideologically driven to have my own site, or so full of 'individuality and wanting something better'. All the strengths you mention are great, but are all undercut for me by the competitiveness at the center of YouTube - the ratings and number of views, comments, honours, number of times honoured and favourited. It drags my videos into being watched in the context of how successful they've been, when all I want is to put some video up there to be watched by some random people in unexpected places around the world - to put the video at the center, not wrapped around by all these judgements that interfere with the viewer's perception and my enjoyment. On YouTube a few hundred views feels like a very, very different thing to on a blog. It's my gift to strangers, and I don't have to care if they don't like it. Even with a couple of hundred views, and without really trying, I'm reaching out further I ever did when i used to show my 'proper' shorts at short film festivals. What slightly depresses me is that there'll be lots of people out there like me who just feel inspired every so often to film and edit something and put it out there, who will find their engagement with an audience all screwed up by YouTube's tone, and then they'll think Publishing on the internet is horrible because all they've heard about is YouTube, and they'll stop and never do it again. When they could have had a very different non-competitive experience and made their world a tiny bit happier and better. It's turning Online Video into high school rules. Ugh. I don't really want to make money from it, mostly because I want to be free to put up whatever I want without worrying about alienating my regular large audience or drawing BORING and YOU SUCK comments, and so growing and sustaining large audience numbers are not important to me. Most people who post on YouTube would never make money from it (whatever its competitive/popularity focus might lead them to hope at first). Glad you're getting paid to vlog, though, and enjoying it. Always liked your vlogs whenever I've seen them. I'm subscribed to Everyday films with Eric Rice, but I guess it's wrong feed cos I'm not getting anything through it. Rupert http://www.fatgirlinohio.org http://feeds.feedburner.com/fatgirlinohio/ On 5 Mar 2007, at 08:35, Eric Rice wrote: Yeah, we can argue about individuality and wanting something better until the cows come home. Also, the expressive, personal, non- promotional crowd might not be one of the best to ask this to... Being part of a 'place' where you have an audience and can be seen? Ewww, stinky answer. I'd be curious if anyone who is a regular YouTuber even cares about people going to their own site? Or, maybe contextually, their myspace? And even then, everyone else is there. And ah, yes, the comments. Get popular enough or cover something that has a wide appeal, and the comments, that concentric circle 'conversation' (ask Amanda about that) gets vicious. YouTube represents the flipside-- it's the mass reality of everday people fitting snugly into that mode that the idealist inside of us despises. It slapped RSS in the face, by debunking our ideals of 'ohhh i wanna take it wth mee'. Apparently, that didn't seem to be the case for a little part of the population. So, we ignore it, we embrace it, or we lock and load and pull on some iron fists. It's more anarchy than democracy, but hey, both movements can have little flags and berets. Power! ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Peter Van Dijck petervandijck@ wrote: I've always been interested in why young people prefer to post on youtube myspace versus on their own (video)blog (for the comments of course!) - in this group we seem to think having your own vlog is much superior. But today I realized: my photos are on flickr, instead of having my own instance of some opensource script like Gallery - for the community aspect (and the superior functionality), so isn't that the same? Just a thought. P -- Find 1s of videoblogs and podcasts at http
[videoblogging] Re: blog vs youtube myspace
Absolutely, the reason I look at it as personal, micro, and mass is the because of the tiresome, endless quibbling and judgements on What Is The Holy Right Way To Vlog (the thread that NEVER DIES and comes up every so often). Mass = all the same ol same ol Personal = vloggy, personal Micro = might have been a vlog, now a bit more show There's no reason for anyone to have to apologize for doing a show. That pisses me off so much, like 'oh we never ever have watched tv and liked anything'. Same reason I start to hate the rhetoric of my Web 2.0ish peers here in SF. We get so retarded over our navels it makes me wanna puke. At anyrate. :-) Dude, I have no idea how to process your posts this early in the morning, hee, but one thing at the core of mySpacing is the exposure of self by a generation that will continue to shape the world like folks our age are doing now. Will this be the change into 'getta offa mah lawn' that always happens when torches are passed? No idea, but glad the cameras are being picked up. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/5/07, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ease of use, maybe? Setting up a podcast, audio or video, is just irritating, becasue everyone has some different angle on how to do it. There's something to be said for a format. Yeah, we can argue about individuality and wanting something better until the cows come home. Also, the expressive, personal, non-promotional crowd might not be one of the best to ask this to... Being part of a 'place' where you have an audience and can be seen? Ewww, stinky answer. Well maybe Current.tv might take a lesson from 'em. On the meter of person, micro, and mass media, I think YouTube fits between the micro and mass marks. May I quote you on that? ;) Personal, Micro and Mass Media is a good way to put it. I've just always refereded to it a hence forward forever more a fluid space between personal and mass media. But I'd never thought of it as micro-media. I really like that term, despit it's similarity to macromedia. Did you get it from anywhere... has anyone else used it? A quick wikipedia turns up some theory that seems like it may be on par with your usage. And it makes some sense in light of other terms like microcontent. Certainly beats the hell out of little media and big media. Though those terms seem to work for most people. I.E. little media = blogging, vlogging, podcasting and other related web based media. big media = newspapers, radio, TV and established media companies. Problem is little media is often misconstrued as the impact and the amount of people participating, and at this point there are certainly far more people participating in all the various forms of media. Yet another term... participatory media and then there's social media. But I'll stop there. :) I'd be curious if anyone who is a regular YouTuber even cares about people going to their own site? Or, maybe contextually, their myspace? And even then, everyone else is there. At least I know other mySpaces went through the same process as me. Same with YouTube. It's all a big experiment. I think many people may consider it an asset that there history and youtube could one day disappear. Hence another reason for the age gap. Independant vloggers are looking to establish themselves personally and professionally. Youtubers and myspacers are just looking to have a whole lot of fun and learn a whole lot about who they are and where they fit in. The craft, the trade, the archiveability.. none of these things matter. I don't even think it's all about the funny videos either. I think that a large portion of it is really connecting with people. Making interesting social aquaintences for long and short periods of time. I think youtubers like brookers come a lot closer to being the mirrors and looking glass for these people than mass media ever did. And ah, yes, the comments. Get popular enough or cover something that has a wide appeal, and the comments, that concentric circle 'conversation' (ask Amanda about that) gets vicious. I don't know if it's all comments. It's nice to go somewhere virtual or real world and have people know who you are so there's no ice breaking... but the major difference between amanda and most people are when we go someplace like vloggercon we know whom everyone is and we can chat and connect genuinely... whereas some people are more apt to be bum rushed or have less more less genuine interactions than they want... this is not to say they have less genuine aquaintences at all... it's more to say... just more and not always close. The beutiful thing about this age is social networks are fluid... everyone can really find that sweet spot for themselves. How much they have time for, how much they can handle, the level they connect
[videoblogging] Re: Does personal vlogging matter anymore?
Of course it does, we've filmed home movies and such for a lot longer than the vlog movement, and will continue to do so. There's basically three forms of media creation: 1. mass-media, 2. micro-media, and 3. personal-media ... all of which have unique benefits and characteristics and challenges, appropriate for various situations. This is more a fair, rather clinical analysis, and void of all the idealistic things we lurv to debate about. ;-) Interesting to watch how some of the personal YouTube generation (a natural celebration of personal expression for sure), might make case-by-case migrations to a micro-media style, and in other cases, a rocket to mass-media. Personal might be the means, it might be the start, regardless, it's older than all of us. And that's pretty cool. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's it, that is the question 'does personal vlogging matter anymore?' I mean sure on one hand for the handful that started it, it doesor does it.I don't know I am wondering do you support 'personal' vlogging, I mean with all the 'shows' out there does the personal story matter anymore. Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com
[videoblogging] Re: OG Videoblogger - Anti
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, schlomo rabinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all I've been going through my RSS list, picking out feeds that don't produce content anymore and rewatching their past work. Makes me all misty-eyed thinking about the videoblogging scene when you knew almost everyone doing this stuff. *looks around* ER
[videoblogging] Re: SXSW advice
You can survive by not sleeping the entire week, going to every party (which can be as hard as going to every session), and realize you wil have 20,000 81 second conversations. Most of the known blogosphere goes, podcasters, vloggers (now gamers), and tends to be THE save-up-your dough conference of the year. Keep your camera with you, on, at all times, gobs of tape and charged batteries. Did I say you won't sleep much and will destroyed by the time you leave, and yet, you'll be more alive than when you went there? ;) -Spin --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, wjbookman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yizzo. I'm looking to tap some of the brightest minds in this forum. This goes out to those with the SXSW experience. I'm looking to head out there to produce some video segments for the WILD WORLD OF WEB. I want to cover some of the music bands, big to mid- level filmmakers, and the interactive intelligentsias. How can I survive? How is it for us content producers,REAALLY? Who's going, what are you covering, and what do you do? Help me and gain karma points. Grazie.
[videoblogging] Re: Amanda on ABC is not a vlog
You're right. It's not a vlog. It's video. Merry F'in Christmas! ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy, I read through pretty much all the posts on new Amanda show on ABC. Who can blame me for not reading them all there were well over 100 all told. I started this new thread because what I have to say has nothing to do with Amanda or Andrew. It has to do with the specific details of this new vlog, which Amanda pardon me for saying this it's nothing personal, is a complete disgrace, completely misses the whole point of vlogging and is pretty much doomed to fail. Above all, it is not a vlog because it simply has NONE, NONE of the conventions of a blog whatsoever, and it's really quite a shame too because I think we ALL including Andrew on some level want Amanda's new web based video show to be a success. My thoughts were to explosive and inflamatory to post here, so I've posted them to my blog instead. http://mmeiser.com/blog/2006/12/amanda-condons-new-vlog-on-abc-is-not.html Please note that this is not about Andrew or Amanda personally but their ABC and the platform they've built for Amanda. I know it's almost impossible but if we could refrain from any personal issues and focus our discussion on the platform that is abcnews.go.com/Amanda I believe we all might learn something about how NOT to put video online and hopefully ABC can make some improvements. The ONLY thing I see ABC doing right is they have appeared to update the website with a url not just to iTunes but to the actuall RSS feed. Which is great because the RSS feed is the ONLY way that's even remotely plausable to acces amanda's show on a regular basis. Not that one would until the horrendous advertising gets fixed. I hope noone will mistake my bluntness for a lack of love. It's quite the contrary. ABC insults us all of us as vloggers, as fans or would be fands of the Amanda show, and above all Amanda. It even insults Andrew and what he's done with rocketboom as it learns virtually nothing from what he accomplished. I still get the feeling that ABC still things everything important is what happens IN the video, and that how the video is accessed and viewed on the web is completely inconsequential. Peace, -Mike mmeiser.com/blog
[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community
Well that's one question I hope to find answers to at Podcamp--- cuz this isn't a videoblogging issue, it's blogging, podcasting, SL, the whole nine yards. There are many communities, agreed, it's when we think ours is the One True God (stealing from Elizabethan times)--that's what I'm looking at, and hopefully we might be able to answer in wider conversation. I think the term is more of a cute, overused word than a substantive one in a LOT of cases. To keep it on target with vlogging, there have been plenty of conversations that go, 'Well the videoblog community says...' when the context of the conversation is 'well the *yahoo group* videoblogging community says..' Not so much a semantic picking apart of 'a' versus 'the'... it's implied and behavioral perhaps? (YouTube is an example of how actions of many gave the finger to the beleifs of a few-- WE WANT RSS SO WE CAN TAKE IT WITH US and then the world is perfectly OK with uploading to Youtube you have to sit in front of a computer instead of taking it with you (hacks aside, that's the basic gist) Still fascinated tho, with the Youtubers called them 'blogs'. That's gotta piss off plenty for some idealistic reasons heh. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Eric Rice eric@ wrote: Blogosphere for example, term supposed to mean 'bloggers everywhere' /me dances through meadow. Possible reality: Blogosphere = Blogger/Tech Blogosphere Podcast Listeners should be ALL Possible reality: Podcast Listeners = Other podcasters who listen (i think user conferences when most of the people aren't plain users, but creator-users, ie., us. Again. Do your myspace readers and listeners and viewers show up at these things? Uhm, thinkin' 'no' ? Videoblog Community should be ALL including YouTubers, MySpacers, people who might not be aware of DV, RSS, etc Possible reality: Videoblog Community = This Yahoo Group (The Vloggies jumps right out at me one this one) Now that you mention The Vloggies, how come http://vloggiessf.com was never updated with A) the winners, and B) any coverage of the event, whatsoever? I think all of the points that you make are very good ones and valid ones. What are you suggesting, though? Do you have a solution to this? Are you looking for a solution, or only trying to spark awareness with this thread? In any situation, you're going to have groups or communities or cliques or 'the elite'. While I agree, in essence, with what you seem to be saying, which is that people with zero technical videomaking skills or who only videoblog from their bedrooms on their webcams are looked over when it comes to being recognized as 'actual' videobloggers or 'serious' videobloggers, lines are always going to be drawn. There are people on YouTube that aren't aware of people on MySpace. There are people on Match.com that aren't aware of people on Yahoo Personals. There are people on Revver that aren't aware of people on Brightcove... More 'communities' are created every day, leading to more people being involved in general, but less awareness by one particular community about the overall population. In the USA, we have football. If you're good at football as a kid, you might get to play on the HS team. After that, you might get to play college ball. You might make it after that to the NFL. If you make it to the Super Bowl in the NFL, you might be crowned WORLD CHAMPION of football. The best in the entire world! :D Did you compete against everyone in the entire world? no. Did you compete against football players in China? no. The NFL exists in the USA. There's the CFL! :) Why don't they have the NFL champions play against the CFL champions? Then against the Brazilian football champions? :D On that note, we're the only ones that call football football. Everyone else calls 'soccer' football. Until there's a way to include everyone in the world in something, there are going to be groups that take liberties and call themselves the best in the world at what they do. Most of the time, anyone else would be hard-pressed to prove them wrong. :) In the case of video on the net or whatever one cares to call it, there are different styles and motivations for each group of videos. There are people that tell their life stories to the webcam in their bedroom. There are people that report about what someone else did. There are people that go out and do things and videotape them. There are people that do their videos in one take and others that script and create props and act in and edit their videos. Categories are necessary in order to avoid comparing apples and oranges. You don't want to compare Galacticast to Beachwalks.TV, because
[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is youtube still perpetuates the idea that it's all just a big popularity contest. This promotes the idea that it is all about viral video, funny videos, and other 'entertainment' hiding the true identity of this beast which is it's more akin to email, IM, the telephone... it's just personal communication that just so happens to be public. in fact architecturally and functionally speaking it's closest relative is this very yahoo group, but media rich. Hollld the phone. Ever see how apeshit podcasters go over rankings, votes, and *those* award ceremonies? And also, we *did* have an awards ceremony, that had minimal public drama, but lots of backchannel drama. That opens up a can of worms that's opened every quarter, but naturally, the moderate belief is yeah you can do personal stuff, and you can do populist rockstar stuff, too. Let's just not lie to ourselves that we don't do it either (not meaning individually-- honestly I don't care about being #1 until well, heh, I'm #1...) :-) ER
[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Robert Scoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Either way, I just will cover it on my blog and you'll all find it anyway, right? Heheh. Yeah all my mySpace homies read Scobleizer, ohhh wait, THE blogosphere. xD See the accidental pattern (yeah I got it was in jest). Condensing fact from the vapor of nuance. - had to be said. ER
[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community
As an aside, Mike, the other reason I'm finding the community imperialism angle so fascinating, is because I'm timing how slowly a very very VERY important chain of events regarding intellectual property, DMCA-friendly and DRM-wanting folks (and it's DIY people, not the Big Boys) is barely working its way through the usual blogosphere channels--- the most visible and vocal suspects against who'd normally speak up about such a thing don't seem to be aware because it originates in a place outside the comfort zone. We can start a new thread on that one, but I'm too tired. Heh. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/17/06, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the term that might be more accurately reflective is 'cultural imperialism', but community was substituted in light of the thinking that we view ourselves as a community more than a culture in most cases? I also adore how inflammatory Imperialism is as a word, but go 10,000 m with your reading, not so much a direct literal interpretation. Great word Eric. Cultural imperialism is exactly what it is. I've had a long standing theory one exactly what cultural imperialism is. Basically in a world with limited means for communication, where the major forms of communication that shape our society, our culture and indeed the world, are a commodity such as is clearly the case most obviously with television there is a draw toward the center... the creation of a popular culture as these systems fundamentally lack the capacity for the wide depth and breadth of societal and cultural viewpoints. Call it cultural hegemony if you will. I would go on to theorize that the internet has caused a HUGE growth in capacity for diverse communications, and that as it becomes the dominant medium for global communications this radical increase in capacity changes the game entirely. The problem is that businesses like still function as if in a world where capacity was a fundamental commodity. Because of this they build vertically integrated businesses instead of thinking horizontally. The exeption to this has been the search engines. Google probably being the best example. Technoratti being another. (Mefeedia.com still another) Instead of trying to take a traditional vertical slice of the marketplace like say a newspaper or a magaine or a TV station would... these horizontal thinkers thought of taking a horizontal slice. Technoratti's being the entire blogosphere. Oh, lastly, we did not choose to be inoperable with youtube. It is youtube who chose to be inoperable with us. I just wanted to make this clear. Oh, and one more thing, Youtube is slowly coming out to play. There are thousands of youtube feeds and youtube users on mefeedia now. -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: You got me looking at the word Imperial and what it actually means. It really applies to countries, but tracing the term back further I guess you are basically meaning human power, the way people get it, and the effect it has on others, those without power? If so, I find it interesting that people gaining power does not necessarily say anything about their moticves or how much good they are doing. Someone who is doing stuff to help others, whether it be doing workshops, books, whatever, is likely to gain personally on a number of levels, including power. Whether the power goes on to corrupt them in some way, whether they are uncomfortable with the power and seek to diminish it, or not use it, that comes down to chance and genetics as much as ideology and anything else. Id love to know more about what you are meaning, and how you think things could be any different, given that we work with the human nature we've got, not the nature we much yearn for. When it comes to video communties, Ive always been interested in whether text forum concepts could be merged with video, but with a new angle that avoids clumsiness, sort of a cross between forums, instant cha, mailing lists, blog vlogs, youtube clips and live internet chat. almost like an equivalent of mobile text messaging but with video between larger groups. Thats where Id hope to see something resembling the idea of 'community'. I also love show type vlogs but I dont expect it to satisfy the human social itch in as broad and 'community' a sense. Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Eric Rice eric@ wrote: This weekend at PodCamp West, I'm part of a discussion about Community Imperialism in DIY Media, because frankly, I believe the state of 'communities' is crap. It's been a rough week, seeing everyday people invoking the DMCA, requesting DRM to protect content; open source getting attacked; watching the word
[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community
Or 'theirtube' if you follow the reasoning of '[YouTube] chose to be inoperable with us' Gotta disagree with Mike's choice of words there and use that as a prime example... who died and made us gods of what works or what doesn't? If we're the gods then I want a cape dammit. :-) ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike when you said: ...the true identity of this beast... (is)... more akin to email, IM, the telephone... it's just personal communication that just so happens to be public. in fact architecturally and functionally speaking it's closest relative is this very yahoo group, but media rich. I thought: ourtube On 11/17/06, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: comments below On 11/17/06, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] jay.dedman%40gmail.com wrote: And then I saw this. A 10 minute video that damn near had me in tears. Do you consider them videobloggers? I do. And since they aren't aware of THIS community, I will completely step outside any jurisdiction and award them all a Vloggie Award. They deserve it, too. http://www.ericrice.com/blog/?p=208 Someone else emailed this link last week as Josh Leo said...it really reminds me of the Videoblogging group's first year when we were really just making videos to talk to each other. I remember that journalists would denigrate us becasue we talked about the act of videoblogging..and seemed to just be talking to each other. I really hope the Youtube crowd reaches outside their Youtube community. this again is my only problem with these social networks. yes, they encourage a lot of internal communicationbut it usually stays within that group. Precisely. The very nature of these social networks... these communities to kick the term some more as eric rice I think was implying. Is that this is about inter-personal communication. As such these services are to a large degree NOT interoperable. They're like having a telephone that only works on network a, but not on any other phone network. They betray the very nature of the end to end principal of the network. That said to the degree they use RSS and downloadable files is to the extent they become more interoperable. The ability to aggregate media from my friends regardless of what service they're on is extremely important to me. I cannot be required to go visit 18 different media sharing / social networking sites to keep up with my friends. THis is the very idea of RSS. The media from our friends no matter where they are in the world or what webservice on has to come to US. I see many people in the Videoblogging group evolving in their content...and taking on more ambitous, well-organized projects. I wonder how long it'll take for the YouTube crowd to evolve past the hi, here i am phase. I think in many cases some have. The problem is youtube still perpetuates the idea that it's all just a big popularity contest. This promotes the idea that it is all about viral video, funny videos, and other 'entertainment' hiding the true identity of this beast which is it's more akin to email, IM, the telephone... it's just personal communication that just so happens to be public. in fact architecturally and functionally speaking it's closest relative is this very yahoo group, but media rich. this is exactly what we always wanted. its only been about 20 months. By it do you mean youtube? If so... yeah... this is the sort of personal communication I've always thought vlogging would be... I love it... HOWEVER... I think youtube because it's so inoperable is as dangerous a beast as mp3.com. I think sooner or later because of the vast amount paid for youtube, and the type of deals google is making to turn it into a tool for advertising to the masses... instead of for mass communications... and finally because they're playing for keeps discouraging interoperability through RSS with devices like ipod... or the PSP, or the next gen of cell phones and media players or ANY device besides youtube. Youtube offers non of this, nor ironicly does it offer any mechanisms for anyone to profit from their videos... which is why ironicly the biggest, brightest, and most popular entertainment videoblogs aren't on youtube. I've come to terms a long time ago with what youtube is and isn't. It's not evil. It's just the same old business plan reappropriated again and again. Just let me know when I can can subscribe to all my youtube friends on my portable media player or television right alongside all my other friends. Maybe then I'll stop not liking yourtube. -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog jay -- Me http://www.momentshowing.net My Book http://tinyurl.com/e6cap SF community http://RyanIsHungry.com Community
[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community
How about adding some non-tech concepts there, such as, how and why to make media for portable devices. The Verizon (icky)/Google deal might technically misunderstand certain things, but the flip side is the consumer going 'WOW videos on mah phonez! wt' Do they give a rat's butt about standards? They want to watch video. We're looking at ourselves again. Maybe if you're a technologist, it's fine, yet kinda iffy if you're a make- media evangelist. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) to promote RSS as an open standard for the direct aggregation of media to network connected (ie. wifi) portable media players, cell phones, set top boxes and other things 'beyond the desktop 2) that this direct aggregation of media to these devices will enhance their value as tools of communication just like the Blackberry enhanced the value of email as a tool for communications as it become damn near realtime and you didn't need to be sitting in front of your computer anymore to get it. It came directly to you wherever you were. This is why I believe the gootube/verizon deal fundamentally misunderstands the nature of videoblogging. Without a widespread and interoperable subscription network there is no videoblogging. Just like blogging the value is in anyone being able to subscribe to or connect with anyone else... not JUST youtube users. Peace, -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog On 11/17/06, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: comments below On 11/17/06, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] jay.dedman%40gmail.com wrote: And then I saw this. A 10 minute video that damn near had me in tears. Do you consider them videobloggers? I do. And since they aren't aware of THIS community, I will completely step outside any jurisdiction and award them all a Vloggie Award. They deserve it, too. http://www.ericrice.com/blog/?p=208 Someone else emailed this link last week as Josh Leo said...it really reminds me of the Videoblogging group's first year when we were really just making videos to talk to each other. I remember that journalists would denigrate us becasue we talked about the act of videoblogging..and seemed to just be talking to each other. I really hope the Youtube crowd reaches outside their Youtube community. this again is my only problem with these social networks. yes, they encourage a lot of internal communicationbut it usually stays within that group. Precisely. The very nature of these social networks... these communities to kick the term some more as eric rice I think was implying. Is that this is about inter-personal communication. As such these services are to a large degree NOT interoperable. They're like having a telephone that only works on network a, but not on any other phone network. They betray the very nature of the end to end principal of the network. That said to the degree they use RSS and downloadable files is to the extent they become more interoperable. The ability to aggregate media from my friends regardless of what service they're on is extremely important to me. I cannot be required to go visit 18 different media sharing / social networking sites to keep up with my friends. THis is the very idea of RSS. The media from our friends no matter where they are in the world or what webservice on has to come to US. I see many people in the Videoblogging group evolving in their content...and taking on more ambitous, well-organized projects. I wonder how long it'll take for the YouTube crowd to evolve past the hi, here i am phase. I think in many cases some have. The problem is youtube still perpetuates the idea that it's all just a big popularity contest. This promotes the idea that it is all about viral video, funny videos, and other 'entertainment' hiding the true identity of this beast which is it's more akin to email, IM, the telephone... it's just personal communication that just so happens to be public. in fact architecturally and functionally speaking it's closest relative is this very yahoo group, but media rich. this is exactly what we always wanted. its only been about 20 months. By it do you mean youtube? If so... yeah... this is the sort of personal communication I've always thought vlogging would be... I love it... HOWEVER... I think youtube because it's so inoperable is as dangerous a beast as mp3.com. I think sooner or later because of the vast amount paid for youtube, and the type of deals google is making to turn it into a tool for advertising to the masses... instead of for mass communications... and finally because they're playing for keeps discouraging interoperability through RSS with devices like ipod... or the PSP, or the next gen of cell
[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community
Mike, did you watch the YouTube video I posted? If so, did you hear what they were saying? See what they were doing? ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh, one more though about community equalling walled garden. I just wanted to clarify. First there are non-walled garden communities. Communities whom NOONE owns, and whom exist outside of some wenservice. What we're talking about is the independant blogosphere. Within it are thousands of malleable communities whose borders are defined only by those who participate in them. I just wanted to clarify, this is why most of us hate youtube. You can't have freiends on youtube without belonging to youtube because youtube is not interoperable with the blogosphere. That said it IS getting there... a little bit. For example. They DO have some RSS spport, they just don't promote it very well. http://youtube.com/rssls This means you can subscribe to youtube feeds in mefeedia, bloglines, or any number of aggregators. Even Democracy player now has support for youtube's RSS feeds. For example, here's the very feed we've been talking about on mefeedia. http://mefeedia.com/feeds/21683/ And the very video http://mefeedia.com/entry/1352733/ So what's the problem then? Fracking Flash... that's the problem. Youtube is using it as a light weight DRM to discourage people from enjoying the videos how they see fit... ie. not ON youtube.com. I cannot view these videos offline... because they can't be downloaded easily without some fancy schmancy tricks. I cannot view them on my iPod, PSP or any other device... again, without some fancy schmancy tricks. I cannot subscribe to them in itunes or fireant In short... any of my friends on youtube... I cannot access them the way I'd access all of you. It's the equivelent of having one phone that works with the rest of the world, and having to have a second separate phone to talk to my friends on youtube. So... yeah, youtube's not evil... and I love youtube users... but have tremendous resentment for some global megacorp telling me who I can be friends with and how I can interact with them. Clearly youtube is using it's domimant market position to leverage themselves. Which is to say... they're using their market power combined with thier inoperability to curry special favors for themselves. The gootube/verizon deal was an example of this. And of the gootube verizon deal I say... what useless piece of crap deal is that that only brings me a tiny fraction of the videoblogging world. What good is it to be able to talk to jimmy on the phone but not suzie. Why can I access videos from youtube and not videos from rocketboom, ask a ninja, and 20,000 other of my favorite vlogs and friends. I don't think kindly of anyone whom makes decisions to fragment the market to everyone's detriment to make a few bucks. But then... it's quite possible that neither gootube or verizon think they doing anything wrong at all... because I seriously think they don't get it. I think they think internet video is all just entertainment... that it's just a the new cable network... that they can substitute jimmy's videos for suzzies like they substitute Fox news for NBC news or Lost for the Sipranos. But this is NOT the case. Because Suzzie and Jimmy aren't general news... and they aren't fun and entertainment. They're my fuscking friends. I didn't come up with this stuff. It's called the network effect, and it's been in effect since the telephone and telegraphy were created. The more people on the network the more valueable it becomes. Most famously AOL tried to play it against the network effect and they failed. And sooner or later youtube will either have to open up or they too will fail as their network will eneviteably become a culdasac on the information superhighway just like good old AOL. Peace, -Mike mmeiser.com/blog mefeedia.com On 11/18/06, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: community != walled garden. word. On 11/17/06, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This weekend at PodCamp West, I'm part of a discussion about Community Imperialism in DIY Media, because frankly, I believe the state of 'communities' is crap. It's been a rough week, seeing everyday people invoking the DMCA, requesting DRM to protect content; open source getting attacked; watching the word 'community' get thrown around when it means 'our silo'. And then I saw this. A 10 minute video that damn near had me in tears. Do you consider them videobloggers? I do. And since they aren't aware of THIS community, I will completely step outside any jurisdiction and award them all a Vloggie Award. They deserve it, too. http://www.ericrice.com/blog/?p=208 ER -- Ted Tagami Universus Networks, LLC U N I V E R S U S . N E T
[videoblogging] The other videoblogging community
This weekend at PodCamp West, I'm part of a discussion about Community Imperialism in DIY Media, because frankly, I believe the state of 'communities' is crap. It's been a rough week, seeing everyday people invoking the DMCA, requesting DRM to protect content; open source getting attacked; watching the word 'community' get thrown around when it means 'our silo'. And then I saw this. A 10 minute video that damn near had me in tears. Do you consider them videobloggers? I do. And since they aren't aware of THIS community, I will completely step outside any jurisdiction and award them all a Vloggie Award. They deserve it, too. http://www.ericrice.com/blog/?p=208 ER
[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: exactly how much the 'blog' part of vlogging is as important/central Did ya notice how a lot of them referred to their video as simply, 'a blog' ? We didn't see THAT whap upside the head coming with the productive debates on vlogvideovodviddankwankmankvideopodcasstbloggerring nomenclature. Blog, ER
[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community
I think the term that might be more accurately reflective is 'cultural imperialism', but community was substituted in light of the thinking that we view ourselves as a community more than a culture in most cases? I also adore how inflammatory Imperialism is as a word, but go 10,000 m with your reading, not so much a direct literal interpretation. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You got me looking at the word Imperial and what it actually means. It really applies to countries, but tracing the term back further I guess you are basically meaning human power, the way people get it, and the effect it has on others, those without power? If so, I find it interesting that people gaining power does not necessarily say anything about their moticves or how much good they are doing. Someone who is doing stuff to help others, whether it be doing workshops, books, whatever, is likely to gain personally on a number of levels, including power. Whether the power goes on to corrupt them in some way, whether they are uncomfortable with the power and seek to diminish it, or not use it, that comes down to chance and genetics as much as ideology and anything else. Id love to know more about what you are meaning, and how you think things could be any different, given that we work with the human nature we've got, not the nature we much yearn for. When it comes to video communties, Ive always been interested in whether text forum concepts could be merged with video, but with a new angle that avoids clumsiness, sort of a cross between forums, instant cha, mailing lists, blog vlogs, youtube clips and live internet chat. almost like an equivalent of mobile text messaging but with video between larger groups. Thats where Id hope to see something resembling the idea of 'community'. I also love show type vlogs but I dont expect it to satisfy the human social itch in as broad and 'community' a sense. Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Eric Rice eric@ wrote: This weekend at PodCamp West, I'm part of a discussion about Community Imperialism in DIY Media, because frankly, I believe the state of 'communities' is crap. It's been a rough week, seeing everyday people invoking the DMCA, requesting DRM to protect content; open source getting attacked; watching the word 'community' get thrown around when it means 'our silo'. And then I saw this. A 10 minute video that damn near had me in tears. Do you consider them videobloggers? I do. And since they aren't aware of THIS community, I will completely step outside any jurisdiction and award them all a Vloggie Award. They deserve it, too. http://www.ericrice.com/blog/?p=208 ER
[videoblogging] Re: The other videoblogging community
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: frankly, I believe the state of 'communities' is crap. Can you explain this statement further? What is 'crap' about the state of 'communities'? Silos, isolationism, mis-labelling-- whether intentional or by accident. Blogosphere for example, term supposed to mean 'bloggers everywhere' /me dances through meadow. Possible reality: Blogosphere = Blogger/Tech Blogosphere Podcast Listeners should be ALL Possible reality: Podcast Listeners = Other podcasters who listen (i think user conferences when most of the people aren't plain users, but creator-users, ie., us. Again. Do your myspace readers and listeners and viewers show up at these things? Uhm, thinkin' 'no' ? Videoblog Community should be ALL including YouTubers, MySpacers, people who might not be aware of DV, RSS, etc Possible reality: Videoblog Community = This Yahoo Group (The Vloggies jumps right out at me one this one) The fractured communities also. All the sites that have 'community' features that slurp in because the technical underpinings allows it; requiring a content creator to have to go there and manage. A billion directories that play the portal game. Look how full featured we are... How many places can your audio and video exist that are 'communities for listeners or viewers', and yet, populated with ourselves, who, while true we are listeners and viewers of our own stuff, there are multiple levels of consumer, active, active/passive, full participatory--- epsilon construct kinda stuff. Even in Second Life, the two major podcast presences (one is friend, one is foe) built silos that is populated by, zOMG, PODCASTERS, overwhelmingly moreso than the general public. It's like the midway at the carnival. A LOT of us 'three balls for a dollar' types. Networks. Talkin' about themselves, when it should be about the show or content. More people know about BoingBoing than Federated Media.-- Good Throw in the Pod* networks, you might now a couple major shows, but hear about the network more-- Bad Heh, I got into the TV show LOST, way after everyone. I couldn't tell you what network it was on, cuz well, it's not about them, it's about LOST. Like the Sopranos. HBO, great, I can tune my TiVO, but it's a about Tony, baby. And check this. Vsocial. If you go to mefeedia and look at the directory, you have these various aggregate sites. The vsocial one jumped out at me: vSocial is a video clip sharing community that is designed to make it brain-dead easy to upload, view and share your favorite video clips. In addition, we provide really great web based tools that enable users to actually do something with the video on their favorite community sites, blogs and within video iPods. Look at the order in which vSocial is promoted. Producers first, and 'in addition' doing something with video, like what, I dunno, *watching* maybe? In the context of sites that have video, video to be viewed, lots of it--- the smallest fraction of the population-- the creators-- is what's promoted first. YouTube, while kinda clunky, focuses attention on the video; they have 'community' features; the workflow shows that people can view it independent of the site (embedding etc), and you can follow the weird Video link in IM--- to peer -- View -- feedback loop back to sender of IM, not the creator; also outside of the community. However YouTube has an active community on their own site; most do. I remember a time that YouTube was looked down upon by this group-- me included-- for ay number of reasons-- didn't follow the RSS spec, or people didn't like flash, or all this tech stuff that may or may not actually matter. Where are all the skate and snowboard videos living, the ones that have been around for years on the web? Could they be nominated if we don't know about them because they are outside our inner circle. We talk about ourselves to ourselves, and I think that creates this false sense of community. It's a fine line between early adopters meeting technological tutorials and the vital need for this as a resource for videomakers... does that make it a true representation of Videblogging? It's perhaps at this point where 'community' becomes 'society'. And that might make us resistant to change or stagnant, because we don't control absolute awareness of what is out there. -- Eegads, that's long winded, but hey, that's half my notes for Podcamp hehe, so I suppose we can figure out how to break out of our inwardness on a global scale: blogs, podcasts, videoblogs, metaverses, etc. :-) ER
[videoblogging] Re: Michael Eisner joins Veoh
So uh, who's gonna be the first person to make the obvious Veoh-Michael-Eisner-Disney- Shareholder joke? /smacks head. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The former Disney CEO, it seems, has joined the board of a San Diego- based company called Veoh, which helps deliver video over the Internet. The NY Times quotes him on why he's so excited about the venture, founded in 2004: Anybody, now, can have their own network, Mr. Eisner said. There are no borders. No gatekeepers. No restrictions on creativity of any kind. http://tinyurl.com/zbf3j Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: SXSW
I'm there too. Have two panels goin on. :-) Also, true personal storytelling (open mic also) at the Red Eyed Fly on sunday night: Fray Cafe 6. Last year was awesome and lots of vloggers represented. I also remember Andrew and Amanda embarrassing me on stage since SXSW is my boithday conference. Austin is a place to party. It's the un-Texas. ER On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:08 AM, JD Lasica wrote: Michael created a SXSW page for videobloggers on node101: http://node101.org/community/index.php/SXSW06 You get an error when you save the page but it will work. Who else in the vlogosphere is coming? Who knows Austin? Where are the hot dining/drinking spots? jd lasica On 3/6/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I set this up: http://node101.org/community/index.php/SXSW06 You get an error when you save the page but it will work. -Michael On 3/6/06, Irina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: btw, http://upcoming.org/event/61589/ On 3/5/06, JD Lasica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before we get to Austin, wouldn't it be a good idea if we create a page where we can put our contact info, availability and an easily accessible page to see where we're going to get together? I'd sure rather do that than scrolling thru hundreds of emails I get each day to identify an email from a fellow SXSWer. So: Can we create a page, on node101 or a wiki or Ourmedia or on someone's personal site, where we can post: Name Dates in Austin Contact info Availability Venue ideas I'll start: JD Lasica Sun March 13 to Thursday March 17 Cell: 858-353-1865; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Available: Mon, Tue, Wed dinner/ cocktails Venue: I'll defer to Michael and others. jd On 3/5/06, Irina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey, i think we should get together in austin, that sounds like a good idea. On 3/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all sorry I've been quiet but I'm in Vegas right now finishing up a shoot and heading back home this evening. I'm catching up on these emails, but I'm in agreement with all in this thread. Thanks for keeping it moving!! Maybe we should get together in sxsw for a little face-to-face? I'll be there for the whole time. schlomo I can do a PDF this weekend. I was planning on doing two versions, one for the $2,500-$5,000 levels and one for $500-$1,000. I don't really want the Intels and Proctor Gambles to worry about the lower end of the tier. Those teetering between $1,000 and $2,500 could get both flyers (one page each). jd On 3/1/06, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'I'll review the list again for components. We will need a PDF version of this too perhaps? Got word back from Creative today. Looks like we will be talking in the next week or so. They are interested in pushing the zen players and video cams.. On 3/1/06, JD Lasica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. Does the lack of silence on the sponsorship page on the wiki mean that everyone agrees with the components of each tier now? http://www.vloggercon.com/private/index.php?title=Sponsorship_tiers If so, then the only thing we need to finalize are the names of each tier. I agree with Ted on the final descriptions: Go big for $500 and be a Megabyte Sponsor For $1,000 you can be a massive Gigabyte Sponsor At $2,500 you can be an enormous Terabyte Sponsor and for only $5,000 you can be our unspeakably huge Petabyte Sponsor And when we need shorthand (like in the category headings on the website, of course), we shorten them to: Megabyte Gigabyte Terabyte Petabyte Thoughts? Anything else to work out at this point, or can we begin haranguing potential sponsors? :~) jd -- Ted Tagami Principal, Universus Networks U N I V E R S U S . N E T -- Me: http://michaelverdi.com RD: http://evilvlog.com Learn to videoblog: http://freevlog.org Learn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: myspace video
It's slow. Some videos took 12 minutes, others took hours to transcode Thank GOODNESS our transcoders are fast! ;-) ER ericrice.com | audioblog.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Based on viewing the other videos on the site, I'd say that means the host is encoding my video into Flash. And based on that same viewing experience, their encoding looks really terrible. -josh On 3/2/06, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just jumped in! The water is fine. I uploaded a short video and now it is processing. Based on viewing the other videos on the site, I'd say that means the host is encoding my video into Flash. On Mar 2, 2006, at 2:29 AM, Deirdre Straughan wrote: The upload widget is the same. At the end I still have a processing message, though it's graphically different. So now I have the same video processing twice. Experience to date is that it never finishes processing... --Steve -- http://SteveGarfield.com http://Rocketboom.com My most recent post: VLOG SOUP: Episode 12 http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/2006/03/vlog_soup_episo.html You are worth like 50 million danishes. - Amy Carpenter Alternative reply address: stephen.garfield [AT] comcast.net Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: myspace video
The format was an export from Quicktime Pro from a regular .mov to MPEG-4... now to be fair, there was no audio track, but I'd think it might take mpeg4 since AAC seemed to fail. There are two other videos that I posted at the same time (like nearly 36 hours ago) that are stuck on 'processing...' Audioblog.com it ain't. ;-) /shameless and snide plug In a few tries, sometimes the server timed out with I'd say about 3 different styles/error types. Weird indeed. I'll be going through all the formats since the MySpace Video stuff is important to some things I'm doing on MySpace and elsewhere. ER Feel free to add me: myspace.com/ericrice ericrice.com :: audioblog.com (new name son!) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: please please eric.. tell us what format you uploaded in? my 1 min video had been 'processing' for about 2 days now on the filmmakers site, and another 1min film has been processing for about 7 hrs, i'm guessing there is a problem.. i uploaded as quicktime with Mpeg 4 video and mpeg4 audio? be well d -- URL: http://29fragiledays.blogspot.com URL: http://www.kleindesign.co.uk Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Hosting Ideas?
Sull got to the keyboard before I did... (was at two conferences today-- one on a panel with Zadi! Yay!) So what he posted was from our site. Also, it's important to note that you have multiple options for posting: upload any video and it converts to flash so you can auto-post to your blog; upload any video and it posts as an ipod video ready file to an RSS channel; or for feedburner users, get the best of both worlds and post the video in flash to your blog PLUS the link to the ipod video quicktime (this is what I do). You'll have some happy users (esp new ones) since flash sorta fills the void for previewing your stuff. Hope that helps! ER ericrice.com :: audioblog.com (new name soon!) machinima video podcast: spinmartin.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out Audioblog.com Maybe Eric Rice can jump in here to tell you more. -Josh On 3/2/06, Ms. Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the suggestion, Bill, but I REALLY need unlimited bandwidth. Had I not gone with LibSyn from the beginning, I would be in major debt right now... Kitka --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter bill@ wrote: Dreamhost.com and if you use sign-up code lofistl2 you get $50 off which should cover your signup fee if you sign up for a month to month plan. Bill streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: myspace video
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding the second question, the group interest, it would be cool to hear from one of the vlogfathers. Does vids.myspace.com offer any benefit to vlogging / vloggers? I'm not a vlogfather but I'll wax the awesome science anyway. :-P MySpace has a huge place for our podcast and part of it's video + live + on the streets efforts... Three podcasts are populated from our communities on MySpace and with a signup of some 200,000 users a day (Head of Fox Online spoke at a conference tonight), it's really an untapped audience that is growing up with new media--- we hope to entertain and we hope to teach people. On the other hand, my circle of friends are on ericrice.com, but that's prolly cuz I'm 9 years above the top end of the MySpace demographic. But my personal stuff lives where my personal side lives. For the MySpace crowd, it IS their personal space, and I'm wondering if ultimately if nomenclature or technology matters. Cuz they are posting and watching. Kinda like what we do with videoblogs. Kinda like what we do with video podcasts. Funny, it's not 'videoblogging' but golly, it's certainly 'making media' of the longest tail'd variety. ER ericrice.com :: audioblog.com :: myspace.com/ericrice :: spinmartin.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: download numbers
On an average month, I can probably push a terabyte of transfer on one of my videoblogs. But that's only a measurement of a single month. What happens when media lives and lives and lives and lives? Also, I'm not a top 10 *anything*caster. ER http://ericrice.com - Now with more cowbell http://audioblog.com - Now with unmetered bandwidth and multi-format transcoding to iPod video --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Cote289 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm putting together a service that will be a small part of a larger program to launch this summer I'm looking for some real world download numbers for your video blogs if you can give them what i'd like is real world download numbers and if you could break them up by how many downloads per format if you offer more than one format Thank you Ben... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: YouTube Smacks Down AskANinja.com
I'm personally offering sponsorship to AskANinja of an Audioblog.com account--not just because they can have flash AND *casting happen on their OWN site, but because things like this make me twitchy. It's out there guys! Holla! Cheers, ER ericrice.com | slackstreet entertainment audioblog.com-soon-to-be-renamed-since-we-offer-the-most-butt-kickingest- unmetered-bandwidth-videoblogging-stuff-around-but-you-wouldn't-know-it-from- the-audio-in-our-name --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Crossposted at: http://askaninja.blogspot.com/2006/02/youtube-smacks-down-ninja.html Last week YouTube.com got the smack down from NBC for hosting the Lazy Sunday sketch from SNL. Today AskANinja.com got these emails from YouTube: Your video Ask A Ninja: Question 10 Ninja Metal has been rejected due to its inappropriate nature. Please refer to our terms and conditionshttp://www.youtube.com/t/termsfor more information on what video material is not permitted on YouTube. Followed by: Dear Subscriber: This is to notify you that we have removed or disabled access to on or more of your videos as a result of a third-party notification claiming that this material is infringing. If you elect to send us a counter notice, to be effective it must be a written communication provided to our designated agent that includes substantially the following (please consult your legal counsel or see 17 U.S.C. Section 512(g)(3) to confirm these requirements): (A) A physical or electronic signature of the subscriber. (B) Identification of the material that has been removed or to which access has been disabled and the location at which the material appeared before it was removed or access to it was disabled. (C) A statement under penalty of perjury that the subscriber has a good faith belief that the material was removed or disabled as a result of mistake or misidentification of the material to be removed or disabled. (D) The subscriberÂ's name, address, and telephone number, and a statement that the subscriber consents to the jurisdiction of Federal District Court for the judicial district in which the address is located, or if the subscriberÂ's address is outside of the United States, for any judicial district in which the service provider may be found, and that the subscriber will accept service of process from the person who provided notification under subsection (c)(1)(C) or an agent of such person. Such written notice should be sent to our designated agent as follows: Copyright Agent YouTube, Inc. PO Box 2053 San Mateo, CA 94401 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that under Section 512(f) of the Copyright Act, any person who knowingly materially misrepresents that material or activity was removed or disabled by mistake or misidentification may be subject to liability. Please also be advised that we enforce a policy that provides for the termination in appropriate circumstances of subscribers who are repeat infringers. Very truly yours, Heather YouTube, Inc A couple of things, we are the creators of the Ask A Ninja, we were (and still are) using their site to host the Flash Video versions of our work. It's odd that we can just be arbitrarily cut off from our audience of over 280,000 viewers on the YouTube.com site. Not to worry, we're already in the works on building a site to host our own Flash files, but if the content creators can't post their files at YouTube, and copyright violators can't either, who is going to be allowed to post their videos? -Kent Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: NBC Olympic Blog Is Awesome
I *love* shiny DVD discs. Doesn't matter what's on 'em, they are shiny shiny!! Did I get that right? Content might adapt itself to a medium, hence, the ER Show mobile podcast content is created conceptually different (even had to change the theme music) when it's delivered to a mobile phone. Blogs are, for the record, just one teeny piece of the puzzle. A fraction. There are video blogs that don't have blogs (cuz really, auto-delivery in RSS enclosures does not need a blog). And theoretically, device-to-device personal publishing skips the interweb altogether. If the content looks like a vlog's content, but doesn't hit the web, is it still a vlog? Don't care. Doesn't matter. It's media made by people-to-people. And, big media, incorporated can do it too. I watch Verdi. I watch MTV. This is the future of my media. And this is the future of my own brand. How many videos could we have posted to (insert-what-the-hell-ever-medium-here) in all the time it takes to argue unproductive issues. Or in otherwords, did we get one more person to make video, or collectively do we look like a bunch of jackasses? Your call, not mine. I got work to do. Ciao. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But for me, this has NOTHING to do about content. It's all about the media not the message. You guys are way too hung up on content. I really don't pay taht much attention to the content of anything. I am always paying attention to the form of the media not what's in it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: YouTube
Would I be splitting hairs if I asked about what the difference is between targeting vloggers and targeting people want to publish shit? Hmm. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YouTube is not targeting vloggers. That's the first thing to keep in mind. The service achieves its goals without the 'blog' component. Vloggers should simply understand that it is not the best suited service for the vlog medium. Of course, if one doesnt care either way... then that's the end of that. If you do care, then all the points Verdi brings up should be comprehended. Why do people use it? It's pretty easy to do and many dont care about terms or any of the other issues. Or, it is a temporary solution or even just for experimenting. As for others uploading video that is not theirs to upload YouTube is protected, but you may go after the user who did upload your media and work with them etcetera YouTube should provide an easy way to be a mediator is such situations and offer to remove any such media within a fair time frame and at least reply to parties within a few business days. B. You shall be solely responsible for your own User Submissions and the consequences of posting or publishing them. In connection with User Submissions, you affirm, represent and/or warrant that: (i) you own, or have the necessary licenses, rights, consents, and permissions to use and authorize YouTube to use, all patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright or other proprietary rights in and to any and all User Submissions to enable inclusion and use of the User Submissions in the manner contemplated by the Website and these Terms of Service; Regarding aggregators yes and is why all people who want to syndicate vodcasts must understand that they need to make available other downloadable formats in addition to using flash video for the web (blog). We all can agree that this is a very good aproach to take... VSocial works this way and as Bill pointed out earlier today, he is doing this so he can continue to encode higher quality videos for syndicating but lower quality/size videos (flv) for the web audience... with the nice result of assuring all of the web audience will be able to play the video, as flash player is just about always installed on client side. Many people will use desktop aggregators especially other vloggers and heavy subscribers. I think we'll also see many within the general Internet Video audience who will just use the web and/or email. sull On 1/24/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know the YouTube people and I don't have anything against them personally, but I wish they would change some things about their service. So I'm writing this in the hope that it will generate some back and forth conversation that they might consider. I'm also writing this to try to understand where people who use YouTube are coming from because Ryanne and I are starting to talk about changes and updates to Freevlog and we get lots of new vlog emails pointing to YouTube user pages or Blogger blogs full of YouTube video. So my basic issues with the service as it is right now are: 1. The Terms of Use. Specifically, For clarity, you shall retain all of your ownership rights in your User Submissions. However, by submitting the User Submissions to YouTube, you hereby grant YouTube a worldwide, non-exclusive, fully paid-up, royalty-free, irrevocable, perpetual, sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, perform and otherwise exploit the User Submissions in connection with the YouTube Website and YouTube's (and its successor's) business, including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the YouTube Website (and derivative works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels. The way I read that is you are giving them the right to do whatever they want with your work - even profit from it or licensce it to someone else - without necessarily including you in the deal. Am I misinterpreting this? 2. The other issue I have with YouTube is that videos don't work in an aggregator like FireAnt. I think this is a really important issue. As we get more and more vlog content online and as more people become comfortable using RSS, aggregators will (they are this for me now) be the primary way of interacting with videoblogs for many people. Personally I would also like to see that logo disappear from everyone's video and for the videos to work on mobile devices but they're not dealbreakers. If YouTube allowed you to select a license - copyright, creative commons, whatever - and they respected it and if the videos would work in an aggregator we could quit discouraging people from using it. In the end I don't care where people host
[videoblogging] Re: Sponsorships?
I'm late to the conversation so here's my .02 worth. For me *personally*, sponsorships and advertising doesn't start with a single medium. Sure, I'll put a product or in rare cases an ad in my vlog, podcast or, more directly-- the feed-- but a medium in isolation, well, that's reaching only a fraction of my viewers, listeners, or readers. Yet the one thing remains the same-- the text that surrounds everything. I guarantee that if I landed a sponsorship with a car manufacturer--especially if it's a cool one-- I'm gonna be blogging that; we're gonna be talking about it on the various audio podcasts; and you can be damn sure I'm going to be sticking cameras on everywhere there's a flat surface on the thing. My delta is HTML + XML views for my blog. I can provide a good number there that's much more accurate than any number given for audio or video (iTunes alone completely breaks the tracking statistics-- take Rocketboom and my Xmas vacation-- I didn't open iTunes for a week, and with its default configuration, it downloaded only the most recent episode--giving RB an invalid number. Unless audience does not equal 'watching every episode', which I think they might want it to, I'm just guessing). What I 'sell' is a brand. And at the risk of sounding like I'm stealing from Fast Company's playbook, it's the brand called me. I have certain responsibilities to sponsors, reporting and such. I firmly believe it's part of my job to also educate a sponsor/potential sponsor on the new vibe of getting their message out. Take your ROI and CPM and chuck that out the window. We're living in a world where that starts to mean diddly squat. I'll set a price, set the expectations, and the sponsor cay say yea or nay... similar to the notion that if you had a million bucks to spend on a house, and you had to choose between downtown or in the countryside, your money is going to buy a completely different set of pros and cons. (On a side note, I live in the middle of the boonies... takes me 90 minutes to get into San Fran... a big irritation, yet there are *different* payoffs for having more space in the middle of nature). Even if the video or audio isn't online anymore, the blog text still is. So a random passerby will see that a podcast was sponsored by (insert food stuff name here) and suddenly either a) curse me or b) be hungry cuz i had to go and mention (food stuff name here). Keep in mind in all this sponsorship talk, it doesn't have to be some big-ol-honkin' conglomerate... Go get free schwag from a local skate/surf shop or something. Indie people can advertise in indie media and it's still a little bit punk rock. Punk rock with the rent paid, anyway. -ER : ericrice.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, LeanBackVids.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So all this legal talk about music brings me back to sponsors... $25-50 CPM (cost per thousand) is an average price for video sponsorships. (Disclaimer: I used to work for a major sports website and am going by what they charge for various video advertising. And the per 1000 makes the price relative to popularity.) The big difference with RSS-based media is that the sponsorship would be embedded into the movie and exists for as long as the movie does. Assuming that the CPM is $25 and a single video gets downloaded 10,000 times in the first month and 2,000 times each month thereafter... that would make the value of a single video sponsorship at $250 for the first month and $50 for each month afterwards. Of course, there is an exponential decline in viewers since the video gets pushed further down into the feed/archives. So maybe the sponsor only is charged for 6 months... $250 the first month and another $250 for the remaining 5 months... Bring the total to $500 sponsorship per video. (Up-front payment of course.) Seems realistic to me, but wanted to check how others feel about this. -Matt --- http://vlogmap.org http://leanbackvids.com http://ridertech.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Crankin' vlogging up to 11
Hi folks, It's been a ton of fun here at Macworld, with some of the usual suspects pimpin' vloggin and various products and such. Wish all of you could have been here. With that, I wanna pimp something I'm pretty proud of, especially in light of all the recent debates on flash video and RSS and such. Over at Audioblog.com, we've enabled folks to upload video and post it to their blog via a flash player. And because of that, I've generally been reluctant to make too much noise about it here (well that, and I don't wanna be too spammy-- don't worry, I won't start :P ) Yesterday, we turned on some new features including, enabling links to the video file to appear under the flash player (this is for the feedburner follks). Or, you could just upload video and post it directly to a pure RSS feed. The other thing is that we'll on-the-fly transcode pretty much any video format into Quicktime, ready to go for the video-capable iPod. I tend to believe we *can* have it both ways. Most visitors click the flash player on my site (especially first time ones), as well as folks who want to be able to take the video with them, watch it where ever, or do whatever with it (since I'm encouraging of remix/mashup culture from time to time). I'm just happy I don't have to hack it manually, and it's all on- the-fly. It took a little longer than expected, however, I'm okay with that. I hope it works flawlessly for any of you as it has for us assaulting it with sledgehammers and flamethrowers during testing. :-) Thanks for the good words and support we've received this far. The servers are running a bit on the hot side, but we're on the case. Cheers, Eric Rice audioblog.com ericrice.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Backstaging Live: iLife 06 review 1/14 after videoconf
It was a last minute thing to use live streaming audio + IRC + flickr to do a little presentation on the Epsilon Construct theory I've been working on. A backchannel fired up on IRC, Raymond called the studio line over skype, and IMs filled my screen while people poured over a simple annotated photo I posted on my flickr stream. As a joke, I called it Eric Rice Media Saturday, and didn't really think it was a big deal. Apparently I was wrong. So I got to thinking about it, and people like Raymond and others have offered some awesome encouragement, that I decided to add something to my Backstaging.com DIY vlog--- and that's an hour long, live show / podcast where I can talk about/ramble in greater detail on a topic that extends beyond the 3-6 minute videos. (On a side note, we'll be doing the Eric Rice Show podcast simultaneously live while recording.) Each Saturday at 2pm PST/5pm EST/10pm GMT, after the Videoblogger Video Conference, I'll spend an hour doing a live show on KSSX, capturing it for later distribution down the Backstaging RSS feed, which will now be a hybrid feed. This weekend will be initial commentary and whatnot about Apple's new iLife '06, including Garageband, iMovie, iWeb, plus a couple other things including this new tapeless digicam I picked up at Macworld (Supacam DVX). I hope you can join me and call in with your thoughts. And thanks for your support and encouragement, gang. It's how things get done. ER ericrice.com backstaging.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Top Ten Vlog list
Given that I hold the strong personal belief that there is ONE technology (RSS Enclosure- casting /smirk) and DOZENS of genres, (videoblogs = one single genre), I'd say that you might be able to stick to four kinds of content, with two examples each. Something show-like: These might emulate the *medium* (different from the industry) of television or theatre Rocketboom, TikiBarTV, Backstaging, CommandN Something news/info-like: Anything citizen journalistic, educational These can also be something designed for marketing purposes. Hey, check out videos that might interest your client like Snowboard or Golf videoblogs. Something personal-like: pick any vlog really No shortage here. Go find a kid's birthday party or soccer game. Personal stuff is the largest pool of content Something art-like: picky anything not necessarily personal or newsy, but artsy and/or abstract. Also might be created by a personal vlogger. Hope that helps and sorry for being balanced and level headed. ;-) ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Darryl Mitteldorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to describe vlogs and their potential to board members of my nonprofit (it took me over an hour to explain what a podcast is, last year). It would be helpful to have 5-10 examples of vlogs, as recommended by our community, for me to illustrate my presentation. It might also be a fun exercise for us to come up with a list of ten vlogs that approximate/illustrate what vlogs are about. So, with rocketboom as a given, what do you all thing are 5-10 vlogs that can show a newcomer what vlogs are all about? Also, with yoru list suggestions, you might suggest how vlogs fit into diffeent catagories, such as an example of a personal vlog, a community activist vlog, a seehere vlog, a lame vlog, an arty vlog, etc. Thanks, Darryl Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts
Funnily enough, those sites with flash videos seem to be able to keep a lot of people hanging around. That sorta sounds like a community if you put enough comment fields there. I mean, it's not like RSS is this push technology which comes to you and does not inherently incite people to stay in one place. Oh wait. Nevermind. I'm just sayin', it's something to think about. Also, I use flash *and* RSS, and people use both, and more viewers prefer flash. My viewers are not millions of remixers. In fact, they take the media and run... that stupid little ipod and such playing video. /sarcasm! And I hate to sound all cranky, but don't tell me for a second that Strongbad, Homestar Runner, Happy Tree Friends, etc etc *don't* have a community that is cared about quite deeply. Unless by proclaim such adamant hatred of flash, we're invariably giving the finger to animators. Making MEDIA means just that. It's not about audio or video. Or animation. Or machinima. It's everything. EVERYTHING. And if some 10 year old kid uses flash to make the next Simpsons, well screw you, bucko. That technology sucks. Okay, back in my cave. I need decaf. Eric PS. I'm not attacking anyone in particular on these points, I'm genereally thowing up my hands and screaming GOOD GRIEF ALREADY for the 8 millionth time. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Nerissa \(TheVideoQueen\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts Flash is popular with people who don't care so much about community, including (most important to me) allowing for mashups of their own or others' works. Jan Could it possibly be that.. ... people who display their videos in flash care more about their community because they know their flash videos can be seen by more of the community with far less hassles? Or people who use flash video don't worry so much about the tiny part of the community that want to reedit their videos and are in fact more in tune to the larger communty that just want to watch the videos faster and with far less hassle? Nerissa Nerissa Oden http://TheVideoQueen.com http://FreeMediaGuide.com http://FreeVideoCoding.com http://FreeVideoEditing.com http://Nebelungs.blogspot.com My Groups: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videobloggingbusiness/ http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/videowomen/ * __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Worldbridges New Year Webcastathon
Just to clarify, the live show we're doing is being streamed on KSSX.com, and Second Life is only an added thing when we hit 2006 on the West Coast... I've spent most of the morning telling people to re-read the blog post, since it somehow was read as a Second Life-only thing. It's the third year in a row we've done a live show. :-) All hail Shoutcast! ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sure! saturday 3-5pm eastern as usual http://flash.kmi.open.ac.uk:8080/fm/index.php?pwd=b5d693-2615 then we're all going over to webcastathon vlogger hour at 5pm eastern http://worldbridges.com/ and eric rice's 2nd life party at 11pm-5am eastern http://blog.ericrice.com/blog/_archives/2005/12/29/1537264.html plus we all want to see how Ian ends the year at http://the05project.com maybe even run off to a real-world party then we're gunna post our new years vids how should we tag them? what else is going on? Steve Garfield wrote: Videoblogger Videoconference. ? On Dec 30, 2005, at 2:53 AM, jefflebow wrote: We're planning a 'vlogging oriented' hour at 10pmGMT Dec. 31 (2pmPST,5pmEST) immediately following the Videoblogger Videoconference. --Steve -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: KBCafe blog awards - Best Video Blog nominations
All right, let's hear it for the LONG TAIL. woooOOOooOO!!1!one!! Oh wait. My sarcasm hormones are acting up again. Crikey. ER http://ericrice.com 6 hr Live Podcast - New Years Eve! 11PM EST/8PM PST - on KSSX --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh my goodness is everyone holding their own freaking blog awards now? Honestly! I think this kind of stuff is so stupid On 12/29/05, Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KBCafe blog awards - Best Video Blog nominations: Josh Leo's Vlog - http://joshleo.blogspot.com/ Rocketboom - http://www.rocketboom.com/ Steve Garfields Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/ amber mac - http://ambermac.typepad.com/ Crooks and Liars - http://crooksandliars.com/ Interesting. So who decided the nominations? The site doesn't seem to mention this rather important detail, or what is meant by best. Regards, Richard -- Vlog: http://www.kashum.com Feed: http://www.kashum.com/rss2.xml Yahoo! Groups Links -- Josh Leo joshleo.com stonefarm.blogspot.com joshspicks.blogspot.com vlogcats.blogspot.com wearethemedia.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] What battle are we fighting?
I'm only part of the way through this thread, but I figure I'd weigh in on Mike's comment with a short thought: What battle are we fighting? 1. Getting everyday people to make and publish their own media? 2. Debating semantic details of technology that is inevitably going to evolve over time? I'm just sayin'. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense Sull, but enclosing FLV is a pipe dream... it's a web based playback object only... in so far as people DON'T have optional donloadable/ portable/ OPEN / enclosable formats also available it won't go anywhere. I LOVE the fact FireANT mac supports it, I wish everyone did... I'd love to revlog some of my favorite flash... but Fireant mac... that's IT. AND that's just for starters... The format is CLOSED, CLOSED, CLOSED... there is no remixing, little to no opportunity to format shift... no way to even ensure the FLV is downloadable, copyable or shareable without screwing around with each file every time. And no I don't consider giving someone a url to a page sharing. Sharing involves a taking into posession... and you can't dowload or copy 50% of all flash media.. and furthermore there's no telling what you can download and copy unless you know what you're doing and try it. And yes, I'm specifically talking about google video. It's a trap... a dead end mark my words no future will come of google video in it's current state, not without a 180 change in direction. It's a toy it has no outward looking search... and nothing else can search it. It's a walled garden... a darknet that just happens to have be pretty... it has NO interoperability with any other service whatsoever... not yahoo video search or infoseek... no blogging or video podcasting... no webjay... no NOTHING. Untill they provide media permalinks to non-locked down media / portable / dowloadable / encloseable media... and untill they roll out with a tool that searches video on the other 99.999% of the web it's a freaking test tube toy and I don't even care. It's relevance is BUNK! I mean where would google's legendary web page search be today if they'd say, heh! we're offering web hosting and our search is going to work for the pages we host? Plus noone else can search our web pages! We're going to rock the world! With WHAT I'd say... the search has no value when it doesn't search the other 99.999% of the web and the hosting doesn't work when anything uploaded is completely trapped in their system and not accessible for anything more than looking pretty... do not be confused by the slick little flash interface. They're doing what for the search of video I ask! NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING! 1) Google video is no search solution... search solutions are what google offers... IT'S their CORE SERVICE... untill google search becomes a true search solution and you can find videos on the whole of the web it's nothing but a malformed test tube baby. It's potential to solve any of the larger issues of finding videos is MUTE. 2) ...and as far as hosting... like I said... anyone is better... why bother uploading your videos when you can't even download them? Forget the FLV issue... these are YOUR videos... how are you going to share these videos... bookmark them with delicious and go to them one by one!? Email around urls! Heh this isn't spam I swear it... check out my video! Great, awesome for you. How am I going to comment on these videos... how am I going to quote them... you know about half way in when you do that one thing... great! Can you put them on your blog and make ad revene from them? WHAT IF ANYTHING CAN YOU DO WITH THEM? ... oh... you can LOOK at them... oh so pretty in their impenatrable glass boxes... completely inaccessible for anything other than looking at... heh... you can always screen snap them! Now that's all we're doing here in the vlog world, right... it's just stuff to look at that's all, right? It's not anything more than just looking, right? I create stuff for people to look at... heh... look at that... look at this.. I looked at that... did you look at that? It's right there on google video for you to look at. These google videos fundamentally locked down to google's pages... think of them as googles whores... it makes about as much sense as the Music industry buying into Apple's DRM and then bitching, why the heck does this only work with the ipod!? Why should apple have a monopoly? Why... because you wanted it non-interroperable you fucks and that's what you got! Wake up and smell the coffee. Closed platforms are BUNK ... they have no future... they're fundamentally inaccessible, have limited usability, no findability or searchability outside of that which is provided, and no flexibility... you
[videoblogging] Re: Rushkoff on videoblogging
Videoblogging is the opportunity that was missed by Current TV Brilliant. Plus, a cautious message to the definition debaters. ;-) Great stuff, Johnny. Thank you very much. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, jonny goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just posted a little snippet from an interview I did w/media theorist and bestselling author Douglas Rushkoff http://www.jonnygoldstein.com/2005/12/16/rushkoff_on_videoblogging.php Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Why I chose M4V temporarily
Okay, so lots of good discussion about formats. Some backstory first. When Apple came out with Quicktime 7, I was annoyed because it seemed that with the 3ivx codec, they took away the ability to encode it with MPEG4 audio and replaced it AAC. Now many vloggers I know (I'll use Steve for example) held out and stayed with Quicktime 6. Remember, Apple sorta goofed on the first 7.0 release and some compatibility issues plagued us until they came out with 7.01. Good news is that all the videos I made with 3ivx (mpeg/aac) were automatically ipod video-ready. That was the SWEETEST accident ever! So, yay for 3ivx. So on to h.264... no shortage of conversation there--- many folks decided that 3ivx was *good enough* and stuck with it, seeing only minor differences in quality, and improved encoding/processing time. H264 works as well, but takes forever to encode. Fast forward to today. I've got the first of two HD cameras in my arsenal and I couldn't (in the time I had to work with it) get 3ivx to give me the quality I was looking for. Also, I wasn't interested in waiting for H264 video to encode. We had this quicktime-to-ipod format which had its voodoo extension show up when the ipod video was announced. What I discovered in my tests: Outputting to the M4V was uber fast and low file size. By A LOT. Since so much traffic comes from iTunes (and they feature my videoblog from time to time) I said to hell with it and made those videos m4v's. When I had more time to encode when I got back from travelling, I found that I *could* get 3ivx to maintain a reasonable quality for the footage I shot in HD, although the file sizes were a bit awkward (my last video is 6 minutes, 480x272, HIGH with auto bitrate = 122 MB. ouchie) H264 didn't give me much better results or quality. So, in short, publishing to M4V was a shortcut that sorta worked, minus the brain fart I had with editing the wrong server's MIME type. It was fast, had good quality and I might revisit it sooner, but in all actuality, I'll prolly do as much as I can to mimic those settings in 3ivx to kick out .MOV files for all general podcast applications. Cheers, Eric http://ericrice.com Coming soon: the Epsilon Construct --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How absolutely embarrassing. All of that trouble I was having with MIME types (m4v thread) was a PEBKAC issue (problem exists between keyboard and chair). I spent all this time trying to edit the MIME types on backstaging.com to no avail-- the videos would STILL not work. I suppose that's because the video files don't live there, they live on a hosted blog server that I don't have access to(duhhh). so I was editing something completely unrelated. So basically, it's like if you got a headache and I gave your neighbor some aspirin. Thanks everyone for the help. :-) ER http://ericrice.com coming soon: the epsilon construct Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Why I chose M4V temporarily
I totally understand that, but SOMEthing is different, and I'm not sure what. I can't reproduce the results I got with m4v with other formats, even though what you say is true. That's where I get a little confused. Mine eyes deceiveth me. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, m4v is nothing other than mp4 encoding at default settings preset by Apple. m4v is a myth. It is not a format. It is simply a file extension pulled out of the ether, but not a different file type. You could name it mp4 or mov as that would more accurately define the file type and you wouldn't have to screw with the mime settings on your server. -Josh On 12/13/05, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, so lots of good discussion about formats. Some backstory first. When Apple came out with Quicktime 7, I was annoyed because it seemed that with the 3ivx codec, they took away the ability to encode it with MPEG4 audio and replaced it AAC. Now many vloggers I know (I'll use Steve for example) held out and stayed with Quicktime 6. Remember, Apple sorta goofed on the first 7.0 release and some compatibility issues plagued us until they came out with 7.01. Good news is that all the videos I made with 3ivx (mpeg/aac) were automatically ipod video-ready. That was the SWEETEST accident ever! So, yay for 3ivx. So on to h.264... no shortage of conversation there--- many folks decided that 3ivx was *good enough* and stuck with it, seeing only minor differences in quality, and improved encoding/processing time. H264 works as well, but takes forever to encode. Fast forward to today. I've got the first of two HD cameras in my arsenal and I couldn't (in the time I had to work with it) get 3ivx to give me the quality I was looking for. Also, I wasn't interested in waiting for H264 video to encode. We had this quicktime-to-ipod format which had its voodoo extension show up when the ipod video was announced. What I discovered in my tests: Outputting to the M4V was uber fast and low file size. By A LOT. Since so much traffic comes from iTunes (and they feature my videoblog from time to time) I said to hell with it and made those videos m4v's. When I had more time to encode when I got back from travelling, I found that I *could* get 3ivx to maintain a reasonable quality for the footage I shot in HD, although the file sizes were a bit awkward (my last video is 6 minutes, 480x272, HIGH with auto bitrate = 122 MB. ouchie) H264 didn't give me much better results or quality. So, in short, publishing to M4V was a shortcut that sorta worked, minus the brain fart I had with editing the wrong server's MIME type. It was fast, had good quality and I might revisit it sooner, but in all actuality, I'll prolly do as much as I can to mimic those settings in 3ivx to kick out .MOV files for all general podcast applications. Cheers, Eric http://ericrice.com Coming soon: the Epsilon Construct --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How absolutely embarrassing. All of that trouble I was having with MIME types (m4v thread) was a PEBKAC issue (problem exists between keyboard and chair). I spent all this time trying to edit the MIME types on backstaging.com to no avail-- the videos would STILL not work. I suppose that's because the video files don't live there, they live on a hosted blog server that I don't have access to(duhhh). so I was editing something completely unrelated. So basically, it's like if you got a headache and I gave your neighbor some aspirin. Thanks everyone for the help. :-) ER http://ericrice.com coming soon: the epsilon construct Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: High def resolutions on the ipod
I noticed that the 480x272 video I output is 4:3ified on the iPod but plays widescreen on a wide, uh, screen. 480x272 is PSP size FYI. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy all, I thought some of you might find this interesting. It turns out the video ipod will support videos up to 720 pixels wide in mp4, not just the 420x420 that apple reported. What's more when you play these videos back on your TV or display using the AV cable it does actually play them at full resolution... not some scaled down resolution. Personally... I find that really kick arse. It seems to be widely verified though I haven't tried it myself. http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20051028114426640 p.s. on a side note h264 is not supported at the higher resolution... which is rather ironic... since I believe that's apple's baby and the format they deliver their paid content in. -Mike Michael Meiser http://mmeiser.com/blog - fun stuff http://mmeiser.com/backchannel - del.icio.us link blog http://evilvlog.com - serious lunacy has a new domain Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/I258zB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Advice on m4v MIME types
Hi folks, I'm almost back from the great white north (calgary at the moment) and I posted the first of a few dog sledding videos. Problem is, the link to download returns jibberish text in the browser (and feedburner doesn't currently treat .m4v as video files). Here's the stitch: In order to troubleshoot this, I created a MIME type for video/quicktime for m4v on my server, and it failed. I then created a MIME for video/mpeg, and included the standard mpeg types with m4v. Failed. For the life of me, I can NOT get this to work. Any enclosure-aware software will see the post but not the media file. Thoughts? Eric ericrice.com PS You haven't *lived* until you've rocked the -15/-25 degree weather vlogger-style, natch ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Advice on m4v MIME types
I check the camera ratings and most are rated to -40 below C (I believe that at -35 C and F the temperatures become the same? I had all systems go, although there are steps to take to protect gear. Put 'em in the bag when they aren't in use, avoid frost etc. I tried Josh's suggestion and no luck. The video/mp4 fails, too. Feedburner doesn't see it to make it an enclosure. I've made it m4v for a specific reason, and while I most likely won't be using it on a regular basis since 3ivx-encoded MOVs work on the iPod, it is probably safe to assume that more people will use m4v as a publishing mechanism (like wmv or whatnot---it's not our job to dictate that)... I'll need to make 3gp feeds direct to phones that possibly won't go the way of MOV. If japan is an indicator, we'll see WMV on phones before MOV. Loose predictions, I might be wrong. Still something to consider. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've banned the great white north. Cameras don't work well below 32 degrees. It's bad enough here in michigan where it gets down to like ten degrees. As for this MIME thing... I'm thinking it's the extentsion not the MIME type. Now feedburner IS turning it into an enclosure right? What aabout changing it to MOV? The extention is much more recognizeable, more likely too work and technically a m4v will only play in Quicktime anyway. Personaly... I say fusck all that... mp4 is the way to go. 100% the future... Supported on the PSP and video iPod and more of an open and common standard than anything else. Also, probably a much much more recognized extention. -Mike On Dec 9, 2005, at 3:47 AM, Eric Rice wrote: Hi folks, I'm almost back from the great white north (calgary at the moment) and I posted the first of a few dog sledding videos. Problem is, the link to download returns jibberish text in the browser (and feedburner doesn't currently treat .m4v as video files). Here's the stitch: In order to troubleshoot this, I created a MIME type for video/quicktime for m4v on my server, and it failed. I then created a MIME for video/ mpeg, and included the standard mpeg types with m4v. Failed. For the life of me, I can NOT get this to work. Any enclosure-aware software will see the post but not the media file. Thoughts? Eric ericrice.com PS You haven't *lived* until you've rocked the -15/-25 degree weather vlogger-style, natch ;-) Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/I258zB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Advice on m4v MIME types
Not mechanisms to get video like that, but some capture and save to WMV. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really, WMV's on phones? Have you seen any open mechanisms for getting videos on phones coming out of japan? I'm thinking at the very least you can sends someone an SMS with a link to a simple little phone compatible page with a list of videos like rboom... But I'm always looking for better mechanisms. -Mike On Dec 9, 2005, at 4:51 AM, Eric Rice wrote: I check the camera ratings and most are rated to -40 below C (I believe that at -35 C and F the temperatures become the same? I had all systems go, although there are steps to take to protect gear. Put 'em in the bag when they aren't in use, avoid frost etc. I tried Josh's suggestion and no luck. The video/mp4 fails, too. Feedburner doesn't see it to make it an enclosure. I've made it m4v for a specific reason, and while I most likely won't be using it on a regular basis since 3ivx-encoded MOVs work on the iPod, it is probably safe to assume that more people will use m4v as a publishing mechanism (like wmv or whatnot--- it's not our job to dictate that)... I'll need to make 3gp feeds direct to phones that possibly won't go the way of MOV. If japan is an indicator, we'll see WMV on phones before MOV. Loose predictions, I might be wrong. Still something to consider. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser groups-yahoo- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've banned the great white north. Cameras don't work well below 32 degrees. It's bad enough here in michigan where it gets down to like ten degrees. As for this MIME thing... I'm thinking it's the extentsion not the MIME type. Now feedburner IS turning it into an enclosure right? What aabout changing it to MOV? The extention is much more recognizeable, more likely too work and technically a m4v will only play in Quicktime anyway. Personaly... I say fusck all that... mp4 is the way to go. 100% the future... Supported on the PSP and video iPod and more of an open and common standard than anything else. Also, probably a much much more recognized extention. -Mike On Dec 9, 2005, at 3:47 AM, Eric Rice wrote: Hi folks, I'm almost back from the great white north (calgary at the moment) and I posted the first of a few dog sledding videos. Problem is, the link to download returns jibberish text in the browser (and feedburner doesn't currently treat .m4v as video files). Here's the stitch: In order to troubleshoot this, I created a MIME type for video/quicktime for m4v on my server, and it failed. I then created a MIME for video/ mpeg, and included the standard mpeg types with m4v. Failed. For the life of me, I can NOT get this to work. Any enclosure-aware software will see the post but not the media file. Thoughts? Eric ericrice.com PS You haven't *lived* until you've rocked the -15/-25 degree weather vlogger-style, natch ;-) Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Advice on m4v MIME types
Using CPANEL to set it. I did this whole process before with 3GP files no problemo. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, T.Whid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How are you setting the mime-type? I had the same issue and setting the .htaccess file fixed it (both in browsers and so that wordpress recognized it and created the enclosure tags). I first set it as video/quicktime and now just changed it to video/mp4 per Josh's suggestion. Are you certain that you are allowed to use an .htaccess file on your server? On 12/9/05, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I check the camera ratings and most are rated to -40 below C (I believe that at -35 C and F the temperatures become the same? I had all systems go, although there are steps to take to protect gear. Put 'em in the bag when they aren't in use, avoid frost etc. I tried Josh's suggestion and no luck. The video/mp4 fails, too. Feedburner doesn't see it to make it an enclosure. I've made it m4v for a specific reason, and while I most likely won't be using it on a regular basis since 3ivx-encoded MOVs work on the iPod, it is probably safe to assume that more people will use m4v as a publishing mechanism (like wmv or whatnot---it's not our job to dictate that)... I'll need to make 3gp feeds direct to phones that possibly won't go the way of MOV. If japan is an indicator, we'll see WMV on phones before MOV. Loose predictions, I might be wrong. Still something to consider. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've banned the great white north. Cameras don't work well below 32 degrees. It's bad enough here in michigan where it gets down to like ten degrees. As for this MIME thing... I'm thinking it's the extentsion not the MIME type. Now feedburner IS turning it into an enclosure right? What aabout changing it to MOV? The extention is much more recognizeable, more likely too work and technically a m4v will only play in Quicktime anyway. Personaly... I say fusck all that... mp4 is the way to go. 100% the future... Supported on the PSP and video iPod and more of an open and common standard than anything else. Also, probably a much much more recognized extention. -Mike On Dec 9, 2005, at 3:47 AM, Eric Rice wrote: Hi folks, I'm almost back from the great white north (calgary at the moment) and I posted the first of a few dog sledding videos. Problem is, the link to download returns jibberish text in the browser (and feedburner doesn't currently treat .m4v as video files). Here's the stitch: In order to troubleshoot this, I created a MIME type for video/quicktime for m4v on my server, and it failed. I then created a MIME for video/ mpeg, and included the standard mpeg types with m4v. Failed. For the life of me, I can NOT get this to work. Any enclosure-aware software will see the post but not the media file. Thoughts? Eric ericrice.com PS You haven't *lived* until you've rocked the -15/-25 degree weather vlogger-style, natch ;-) Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links -- twhidwww.mteww.com/twhid Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Is Flash the answer?
I'm not going to necessarily proclaim flash the winner, but I'll just note that at Audioblog.com, you essentially can upload any video format and publish it and your blog post. The player in your blog post is flash. (And obviously, the same applies to audio). That's just *one* possible solution. ER ericrice.com audioblog.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, escorial1967 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, so I am not an expert on technologies and I may sound like a moron when posting this question, but anyway. I've been reading about the dilema with delivering video content for all platforms (Apple vs. Microsoft) and saw some mentioning of Flash as a technology that being so worldwide used could be the one of the answer to the problem. I am a web designer and I've been working with Flash since versiion 2.0. The version I am using now is MX 2004 and I have done some video embeding in my movies to test how they would work. I have imported mov into flash and done some design work to export it again as a QT mov. (see example here: http://blip.tv/uploadedFiles/Escorial-SquaredMedia118.mov or here: http://ia300843.eu.archive.org/2/items/Shapes_1/shapes.mov )I kind of liked it and found it not too difficult but never put too much attention on it... until now that I am so into vlog. I did some testing embedding a mov into an fla, streaming and linked outside but didn't go farther than that. Anybody has some info about this? Is it flash the answer? Thanks guys. Escorial Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: mena trott
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Show [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh my God ... exercise my asshold demons! ah! Do you mean exorcise? Or are your assholed demons doing Pilates and Yoga? ;-) ER Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/I258zB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: 2006: Year of...
I think you're being pre-coffee persnickety. Heh. I mean this morning I sorta told a big name sponsor 'no deal' since it wasn't on my terms. I have no problem being wined and dined, btw, but we all knew that. ;-) ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, johngaltsjournal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More like the Year of Corporate Handjobs as they wine and dine content creators with visions of advertising and circulation. As Yahoo and Hollywood share offices in Santa Monica and argue over parking spaces and window tables at Spago. Am I jaded? Or just persnickity before coffee? schlomo http://schlomolog.blogspot.com http://evilvlog.com http://bayarea.node101.org --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or Corporate handover ? ;-) On 12/9/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:40:39 +0100, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, who is going to coin a new Year of for 2006? Will it be the Year of the Mainstream Videoblog ? Year of the Video Podcast ? (redundent, hey?) Year of the Portable Vlog ? Year of the Video Filters ? Year of Grassroots Media ? Year of Corporate takeover? - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links -- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/I258zB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Portable Video. I'm not sure I give a crap. I want to, but I don't get it.
1. iPod Gym. Short workouts available on your iPod. Take it anywhere. 2. Tutorial Videos. Shopping list videos (show the clerk at the store the THING you can't explain) 3. Mass transit not good enough? How about the zillions who bum rides? 4. Things for the passengers in your car 5. Slideshows and presentations. In your pocket. 6. Music videos. I have a playlist of stuff I listen to over and over on my audio playlists. I love music videos. In my pocket, more convenient than TV (I occasionally lose the battle of MTV viewage vs. Dora the Explorer) 7. Portable video = also all the LCD screens in minivans and SUVs... in the headrests, flipping down from the ceiling. Passengers. 8. Examples of personal video as an evangelism tool. 9. Porn. 10. Viral videos 11. Commercials (commercials can be a cultural and entertainment phenom.. I'd love to get my favorite commercials... that's why there are/were ad sites. The dirty secret of TiVo... some people watch commercials OVER again in case they missed it) 12. Travel guides/portable documentaries 13. Games (sure why not, visual choose-your-own-adventures/treasure hunts) 14. Geocaching 2.0 15. Favorite *any*things... like your favorite paperback you keep in the car 16. Also music videos can be played like music 17. Rocketboom 18. Happy Tree Friends 19. Zadi Diaz Okay, I'm done. But I don't know why I find videoblogs in iTunes when I'm searching for music. Maybe it's a bug? And while I might not be always in the mood for participatory consumption, I certainly *collect* media for my own personal collection. That could lead to a scalable economy. If any of my favorite vloggers released a different/improved/special kind of content, would I buy it? Well, *I* would. And I could still use the iPod as an evangelism tool. Oh and yes, photos are huge on the iPod. So are short clips from the birthday party of my son that his grandma keeps on her iPod. Culturally, that's something conceptually new instead of the photos in your wallet, it's the videos in your wallet. I also have no idea why in public, people gather around an ipod to watch video with no sound. I mean that silly little small, crisp, gorgeous screen can't be *that* compelling. ;-) I'm part of the dopey crowd. I'll go out of my way to make media that makes sense for the small screen. I'll continue to draw a crowd in public that can huddle around and watch. My parents will still watch videos of their grandkids on their ipods and my kids will watch some stuff on theirs in the car. And while it might not be able to make a sandwich, I'll certainly *show* you how to make a sandwich and give you a list of ingredients and slicing instructs that you can take to your local deli and get them to do the same. And that's part of how we change things. Although your personal mileage may vary. ER http://ericrice.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, missbhavens1969 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just poking my head in. Mouthing off. Don't wish to offend. Don't get me wrong, I think the new ipod is really cool, and I like a new geeky gadget as much as the next person, but I have the same feeling I had when they came out with the Photo ipod, which is sort of so what. Actually, now I think that being able to transport view pictures in one's ipod is a more useful function than watching video on it. Aside from the neat-o! aspect of it, I just don't see how or why this will be the next big thing for...anyone who believes it's the next big thing, be they major media, the music industry, whatever. I get to pay for tv shows I missed? No thanks. I don't need to see ANYTHING that badly--not even Lost. Classic repeats? Nope. Got Nickelodeon, if I feel the urge. MTV? Have it. Don't really watch it, but it's there. I really don't see the value in it for vloggers (or vodcasters, or video podcasters or video bloggers, or vidmasters or whatever you want to call it...I don't wish to start that semantic argument again) aside from my boyfriend being able to keep my video visage in his pocket (which, incidently, he wouldn't watch anyhow, because he sees me all the time. I'm trying not to feel a little hurt by that ;)) I guess what I mean is that I watch tv on my tv. And I watch vlogs on my computer be they shows, personal diaries, mini-movies, series or whatever else: I have room in my heart for all styles and formats. It's a format that's computer-based. It doesn't seem to belong on my tv, or in my pocket. Perhaps because it's become such a part of my daily routine (morning coffee, refresh Fireant, save me from morning magazine-news tv programs, thank God) that I'd have a hard time doing it a different way. I can be stubborn, yes, but it can't just be me. Is it just me? Also, iTunes doesn't even have a seperate section for uploading podcasts (back off, wordmavens--I'm using podcasts for now because it's easier)with video so that one could browse around,
[videoblogging] Re: Adam Curry Edits Wikipedia Anon
No, I was referencing the Wired story about the Expo drama. Amusingly enough, I didn't know about the Xmas album until I looked it up. Shows you what kind of fanboy I am. /smirk. ER -Vlogging from Banff, where it's a wee bit cold. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are suggesting that this was a ploy to promote his Xmas album (which would be gross, but even if you are not suggesting this), this fiasco came at the expense of learning himself that he was not the first to invent any technological processes. This is not to undermine other great things that he has done, but kind of shows a bit of a Dr. Jekkel and Mr. Hyde side to things. Its perfectly natural for any human to have a strong Ego, but its always interesting to see how strong Dr. Jekkel can be when Mr. Hyde is known for being so giving. On Dec 4, 2005, at 1:57 AM, Eric Rice wrote: It's speculation and rumor and whatever disclaiming words I can bring up, that this article was a PR ploy and that the author got played. I'm just saying, there's words on the street. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, B Yen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 2, 2005, at 10:04 PM, Richard Bennett-Forrest wrote: I love all this nitpicking. You'd think they'd invented something important to mankind, like the long lasting lightbulb, or a solution for world hunger, the way they go on and on about it. Winer's been bitching about this since mid-2004 already, and it couldn't have happened between two bigger egos in my opinion. Curry was a failed VJ, trying to reignite whatever it was he had in the 80s, through trying to do a radio show on the Internet. Big Deal. His podcast was super boring. Booorriiing. But he got lucky, and should just understand that. And although Winer's generally a pain in the arse to read and listen to, he has been doing RSS type stuff for over a decade, yet not really tried to push it forward for anything beyond one way pushing of lossy text and audio. Why he's bothered about not being called the father of podcasting is beyond me, as there's much more significant things to be the father of over the next ten years, and podcasting won't be one of them IMNSHO. Regards, Richard I think it's (tit-for-tat) related to a squabble between Curry podcasters: Curry in Podcast Convention Clash 04:21 PM Nov. 08, 2005 PT http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,69513,00.html The Portable Media Expo kicks off Friday in Ontario, California, with all the earmarks of success. But the proceedings could see some last- minute competition from one of the biggest names in the fast-growing podcasting business: former MTV VJ Adam Curry. Some 2,500 attendees and 50 exhibitors from 38 states and 22 nations are expected to turn out for the event, which organizers are billing as the world's first podcasting convention. Although Curry plans to attend the show, he has declined to speak at it or sponsor it. And now he is threatening to hold an impromptu un- expo at a nearby hotel, where podcasters may be invited to discuss potential promotional deals with his company, PodShow.com, Curry spokesman Aaron Burcell told Wired News on Tuesday. They've been trying to back us into a huge sponsorship by saying we're not supportive of the expo, that we're this and that, Burcell said. But we have a lot of podcasters who are part of the Portable Media Expo and we've been very supportive. It's not wise to try to extort the company that's been most supportive of the podcasting community. Burcell accused convention organizer Tim Bourquin of retaliating against Curry for refusing to sponsor the trade show or to speak at it. He also alleged that Bourquin had been bad-mouthing Curry and his company to podcasters who belong to a PodShow stable of talent known as the Pod Squad. Bourquin flatly denied he's contacted any of PodShow's talent but acknowledged he questioned on the most recent episode of his Podcast Brothers show why PodShow hadn't sponsored the program and why Curry had declined to address the event. Bourquin said PodShow had demanded a free high-level sponsorship in exchange for some help with promotion and a speech by former MTV veejay and self-anointed PodFather Curry, but Bourquin said he rejected that offer because his event has become so popular he no longer felt he needed Curry as a headliner. They're upset that I'm not bowing down to them, Bourquin said. Everyone who gets a call from Adam and PodShow is impressed and feels important. I don't fall all over these guys when they call me. I gave them several opportunities to be involved and they repeatedly turned me down. Burcell said Curry is for now scheduled to attend the event, if not address it, and PodShow is organizing a pre-convention event
[videoblogging] Re: vodcasts in cellphones
Quicktime can export to 3GP format. Trouble is, the North American mobile market is ridiculous. I've got five phones. Four different providers. Four different modes of doing business, providing access to content. Four different annoyances. Simply *getting* at video is a chore. RSS? That's crazy talk! ;-) Like the one phone that I can navigate to Rocketboom's mobile edition on, WILL NOT let me download. I have to manually add the video via sync. Others, like the godforsaken Verizon, requires about 432,345 clicks to get to a place where you can ALMOST access the web. Others capture video, but won't e-mail, some (ironically, like Verizon), DO let you capture video and e-mail it. But you can't go to Rocketboom easily. Depends. LOTS of depends. The closest thing we have to RSS reality on mobile things, are the Really Expensive Phone/ PDA hybrids or portable-connected devices like the Sony PSP. FeederReader works on Windows Pocket PC, and it's an RSS dealie (Greg Smith can talk more about that); Sony just added a podcast client to the PSP. We are getting closer, but that's like saying, I'm getting closer to retirement age (it's like 30 years away /smirk) The last ugly concern of mine personally, is a commment that the lady at the Cingular store said to me about the types of people who buy certain phones... my phone is purchased either by people a) with money or b) who know what the phone can do (and they prolly have money)... most of the time, she noted, people just want a damn phone. I think we'll be able to capture and publish sooner rather than later, but in North American anyway, the whole damn thing is an embarassment so far. Of course this is my rip off of Dennis Miller's line, so I could be wrong. Eric ericrice.com audioblog.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, jadelr21 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey everyone, I am wondering if anyone has any idea on how to create the type of video file that can play on cellphones. 3GPP. and does anyone know if any of these new cellphones can simply download videos through rss feeds. Any information would help. jadelr Chasing Windmills http://www.chasingmills.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: my video got taken off archive
Sadly, yes. Grab a copy of Darknet by J.D. Lasica. It's the textbook for the future if you're into this space. The world we live in now, is quirky. Here's hoping it will evolve. ER ericrice.com :: audioblog.com :: castella.jp --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Wong Teck Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: even if we help to promote the song also violating the copyright? On 12/3/05, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if i do a video blog in my car and the radio has a song on is that a copy rite isue?? *Actually, you violate copyright when you have a song playing on the radio in your car while doing a vlog. You violate copyright when you film in a bar and an annoying bothersome boombox is playing in the background.* ** *You won't have any problems just vlogging such stuff. However, if you wanted to turn your vlogs into some sort of theatrical release, you would have all sorts of copyright conflicts.* ** Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, Activist Advisor: The Immortality Institute Hoboken, NJ http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/ 201-656-3280 - Original Message - *From:* Randy Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* videoblogging@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, December 02, 2005 6:41 AM *Subject:* RE: [videoblogging] Re: my video got taken off archive if that is the case, then what happens when sony gets mad at me for smashing one of there tvs and calling it crap. would that be a trade mark issue?? if im wearing a nike shirt does that make my video a tm issue?? if i do a video blog in my car and the radio has a song on is that a copy rite isue?? i think it should be like this she bought the doll. its hers. i liked the video randy averrycoollifeblog.blogspot.com From: Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: my video got taken off archive Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:38:34 - I don't think the issue with Barbie is copyright. I think it's a trade mark issue. And trademarks a quite a bit different than copyright under the law. Under copyright (which is registered with the Library of Congress, in the US--although it needn't be to be legal) you own it no matter what unless you overtly give it up. Trademarks are different. Trademarks need to be protected to remain your property. So if someone starts to use your Trademark and you don't do due diligence to stop it, then the Trademark can cease to be your trademark and become a generic mark that anyone can use. Thus explains why companies so jealously guard against infringement of their trademark. Because under law if they don't they can loose them. So no doubt this was an issue of not just copyright but also of trademark. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I concede the point. I didn't know that infringement of Barbie's copyright would be the real issue. But, even on that level, I wonder if an argument couldn't be made for setting up some site in China or somewhere that was really free of copyright constraints. I understand people deserve to be paid for their work and what they own, etc. However, in this case, there was no financial gain being made. Barbie was being used to make a political statement (against men in my opinion) and therefore should be a legitimate target for parody like any celebrity. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, Activist Advisor: The Immortality Institute Hoboken, NJ http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/ 201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Steve Watkins To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 5:58 PM Subject: [videoblogging] Re: my video got taken off archive Archive.org's aims to capture history do not mean they can afford to pretend their are no laws that may affect the content they can legally host. The internet would be very different today if all the laws in all countries were always followed to the letter. Clearly that doesnt happen, but responsible sites that dont want to lose all their money in court have to do some sort of risk assessment. In a case where theres already been legal action against a very similar type of video, I think its easy to see why they may of decided it wasnt worth it. A possible justification could go along the lines of 'would you rather us ditch a small part of history or have us lose the entire archive due to the cost of fighting lawsuits'? Of course all this is just speculation, I have no idea why that video actually was removed or the though processes behind the decision.
[videoblogging] Re: Adam Curry Edits Wikipedia Anon
It's speculation and rumor and whatever disclaiming words I can bring up, that this article was a PR ploy and that the author got played. I'm just saying, there's words on the street. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, B Yen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 2, 2005, at 10:04 PM, Richard Bennett-Forrest wrote: I love all this nitpicking. You'd think they'd invented something important to mankind, like the long lasting lightbulb, or a solution for world hunger, the way they go on and on about it. Winer's been bitching about this since mid-2004 already, and it couldn't have happened between two bigger egos in my opinion. Curry was a failed VJ, trying to reignite whatever it was he had in the 80s, through trying to do a radio show on the Internet. Big Deal. His podcast was super boring. Booorriiing. But he got lucky, and should just understand that. And although Winer's generally a pain in the arse to read and listen to, he has been doing RSS type stuff for over a decade, yet not really tried to push it forward for anything beyond one way pushing of lossy text and audio. Why he's bothered about not being called the father of podcasting is beyond me, as there's much more significant things to be the father of over the next ten years, and podcasting won't be one of them IMNSHO. Regards, Richard I think it's (tit-for-tat) related to a squabble between Curry podcasters: Curry in Podcast Convention Clash 04:21 PM Nov. 08, 2005 PT http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,69513,00.html The Portable Media Expo kicks off Friday in Ontario, California, with all the earmarks of success. But the proceedings could see some last- minute competition from one of the biggest names in the fast-growing podcasting business: former MTV VJ Adam Curry. Some 2,500 attendees and 50 exhibitors from 38 states and 22 nations are expected to turn out for the event, which organizers are billing as the world's first podcasting convention. Although Curry plans to attend the show, he has declined to speak at it or sponsor it. And now he is threatening to hold an impromptu un- expo at a nearby hotel, where podcasters may be invited to discuss potential promotional deals with his company, PodShow.com, Curry spokesman Aaron Burcell told Wired News on Tuesday. They've been trying to back us into a huge sponsorship by saying we're not supportive of the expo, that we're this and that, Burcell said. But we have a lot of podcasters who are part of the Portable Media Expo and we've been very supportive. It's not wise to try to extort the company that's been most supportive of the podcasting community. Burcell accused convention organizer Tim Bourquin of retaliating against Curry for refusing to sponsor the trade show or to speak at it. He also alleged that Bourquin had been bad-mouthing Curry and his company to podcasters who belong to a PodShow stable of talent known as the Pod Squad. Bourquin flatly denied he's contacted any of PodShow's talent but acknowledged he questioned on the most recent episode of his Podcast Brothers show why PodShow hadn't sponsored the program and why Curry had declined to address the event. Bourquin said PodShow had demanded a free high-level sponsorship in exchange for some help with promotion and a speech by former MTV veejay and self-anointed PodFather Curry, but Bourquin said he rejected that offer because his event has become so popular he no longer felt he needed Curry as a headliner. They're upset that I'm not bowing down to them, Bourquin said. Everyone who gets a call from Adam and PodShow is impressed and feels important. I don't fall all over these guys when they call me. I gave them several opportunities to be involved and they repeatedly turned me down. Burcell said Curry is for now scheduled to attend the event, if not address it, and PodShow is organizing a pre-convention event on Thursday showcasing musicians who allow podcasters to use their recordings for no charge. He added that the company was interested in buying the title sponsorship for the show, but was beaten to the punch when Audible.com sewed up a deal months ago for $35,000. For Bourquin, the hullabaloo amounts to an unneeded distraction in the waning days before a trade show that has grown beyond anyone's expectations. When he conjured up the notion of a trade show focusing on portable media a year ago, the word podcast was hardly even part of a techie's lexicon and the notion of a video iPod was a glint in Steve Jobs' eye. Even six months ago, Bourquin looked ahead at his Portable Media Expo with a mixture of excitement and anxiety, hoping merely to meet his initial goal of 1,000 registrants. He's more than doubled that goal in a show that is drawing executives from Yahoo, Whirlpool and Disney as well as a
[videoblogging] Re: vodcasts in cellphones
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the US, does anyone do anything on their phone other than talk on it. I send a SMS message maybe once every six months. That's cuz yer too old for SMS, man. I mean, Daddy-o. ;-) ER Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: vodcasts in cellphones
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the US, does anyone do anything on their phone other than talk on it. I send a SMS message maybe once every six months. That's cuz yer too old for SMS, man. I mean, Daddy-o. ;-) ER Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/I258zB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.
I agree. All I can do in this world is protect my own kids. I make the rules. So when I populate FireANT, I'm putting in the things like the kidsafe feed (which could be abused--but that's what parenting entails) I also have a client that has TA in their video podcast. Mine is not to question why--- there's some content and there's an audience for that content. One of the challenges I face is not being able to necessarily list that content in all places. And in theory, I can't even use OurMedia, since it could be argued that I am commercial (I constantly bring up the question: where does indie end and commercial begin? ) At any rate, I know it's difficult to always control everything a kid sees.. after all, I'm only 5 years into the game. But there are a whole bunch of peripheral issues with that. Is the content wrong or right? I'm in California, where probably a lot more of my neighbors see no issue with the famous postcards from buster episode that could be viewed completely the opposite by some similar parent of age and demographic in another part of the country and/or world. On the other hand, I do like reasonable ratings, either boolean or a sliding scale 1 for G, 2 for PG (great for art/criminal/education issues of adult nature---) 3 for mature... it's not to try and label it but also to help clarify what it is... we do this with NSFW tags. And besides, does NSFW make a great marketing vehicle? ;-) Just my thoughts. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Ridley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK well now this is my pet peeve. I want everyone to shut the fuck up about kids. It is not the mission of the world to protect all children from anything that might be dangerous at any time in any place. Now the whole subject of what is or isn't appropriate for kids to see is a huge can of worms that I am going to complete ignore because it's beside the point. The point is - it is not my responsibility to filter my site (or my life in general) in the event that some child might happen upon it. There's this concept called parental responsibility. It's a doctrine which puts forth the concept that if you are going to have children, then that's an active exercise which requires full participation for approximately 16 to 18 years. If you are so concerned about what material of an objectionable nature your kids may see, then set limits and don't let them see those things. Sort of like how you might not let them wander around the red light district of Amsterdam on their own at 4 AM. Same concept. The correct solution here is for parents to step up and make rules and set limits, not to have some arbitrarily large net of responsibility that ensares and inhibits the rights of all adults everywhere. I will not be subjugated by the delicate and impressionable nature of 4 year olds. That's a non-starter for me. -m On 12/2/05, Bill Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes it is part of life... but much of this discussion is related to kids encountering this stuff. I like to use this illustration in that regard. http://www.missionarypositionsmovie.com/kiddyspam.jpg People find it irresponsible to create a picture like this, but then support who the @[EMAIL PROTECTED] cares if we see a dick type of attitude. Ironic. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rishey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you ask yourself why it is that you think people shouldn't see porn? Some of you make mention of 'self policing' the community? Do you realize what that sentence means? Don't we have enough policing? What is going to happen if you accidentally see a penis or a vagina? NOTHING. THese are distractions. THis is life. ANd to be wrapped up in the issue of what is decent and what is not is to be part of the problem. Hello- In a few decades the land your standing on could be underwater. Our world is at war based on complete deception and implemented by torture. Who the fuck cares if you see a goddamned dick? There are plenty of Owellian directories such as itunes which will remove such material. Itunes recently removed my insanefilms.com from their directory with no explanation. No censorship. If you are afraid to see penises, then subscribe to Rocketboom and watch nothing else. If you're talking about SPAM, however, that is another matter entirely. Richard Bluestein podshow.com SPONSORED LINKS Individualhttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig= IkmOF87iVVg5aOV5s-5ShQ Fireanthttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=H1 5DYYUHQoulfARYZSKttA Typepadhttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=msk=Typepadw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=b K2vbSrJUIzcRadddW7krQ Usehttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?
[videoblogging] Re: Adam Curry Edis Wikipedia Anonom
Here's my brief recap of audio activity circa 2002: http://blog.ericrice.com/blog/ _archives/2005/12/1/1430957.html Note the videoblogging reference. Heh. For the record, and I'm not interested in credit (yet haha), Audioblog.com was registered in late 2001. :-) ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont know if anyone has been following this story, but now it's a top ranked story on Technorati search: http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench/news/2818 The gist is that Adam Curry was changing history himself by updating the wikipedia entry for podcasting and then deleting a lot of crucial players. He responded that he was having trouble with the interface, though he has not responded as to why he was doing this anonymously or why he gave up and left it alone once he made the changes. I dont know one way or another, but its an interesting story. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Node 101 et al. props in panel
Just a heads up, that I brought up Node 101/RoadNode (and various other things from our videoblog world) as good examples of action happening... This was on a panel at the Portable Media Expo. I was filling in for Mike Dunn on a panel on How Citizen Media is Changing the Face of Traditional Media with JD Lasica and John Furrier. The audio is now available: http://tnc.vo.llnwd.net/o2/2D_CitizenMediaChangingTraditionalMedia.mp3 ER Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/I258zB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: VlogSafe Music
Opsound.org is one of my favorite sources. Much of it also can be used for commercial purposes, too. And of course, lots of helpful people at musicpodcasting.org Also, I operate that podsafe = vlogsafe, with the caveat that taking music and putting it to video falls under the category of 'derivitive work'... So Vlogsafe/Podsafe/Blogsafe (smirk) = something lacking the no-deriv Creative Commons tag for starters. ER Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Porn on mefeedia??
Flickr does that 'flag this content' although it makes you feel like you are reporting it, when in reality, I'm pretty sure it just puts it in a specific category. And in things like Google Image Search, adult/mature content is set to OFF by default. That kind of system could work. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not provide an option for users to flag certain content as questionable or offensive, then put that content/feed into moderation queue for possible removal. -Josh On 12/1/05, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think you should be required to sensor anything if you dont want to. In order to gain a lasting trust with the users of your system, however, I think it would be important for you to provide a rating system for adult content. Its not just for kids - I would like to see an alert that gave me a chance to know that a video was porn or violent BEFORE I discovered that from watching it. I have seen so many disturbing war killings and violent sex acts recently via sites like del.icio.us and blogdigger that I really do feel changed in a negative way and if asked, I would have declined the opportunity to see them. It's as if I have lived through a generation of global psychological tragedy in a single season. On Dec 1, 2005, at 9:20 PM, petertheman wrote: I personally am not opposed to porn but when it comes up so blatantly we as vloggers are going to need to find away so that when we are showing new people youth how to Vlog and the tools that are available that this stuff does not hit us in the face. This is by the way exactly the way I feel about it. I want Mefeedia to be a place you can send your kids, but at the same time not censor feeds, continue to be an open directory. Peter Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/.QUssC/izNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Notices when someone posts a comment on your vlog.
I think I'm liking this making-lists thing... I was analyzing the behaviors we
exhibit when
interacting with things, and there is a definite split in the
participatory/passive experience.
It started to point me in all sorts of directions and like my
explaining-RSS-with-pizza
analogy, it all comes back to food.
How to eat:
Cook, Make for yourself
Cook, Make for others
Cook, Make *with* others
Have someone kill, cook, make for you
Translate that to publish, participate, or strictly consume. I'm not convinced
that any of
these are mutually exclusive--in fact, as DIY as I like to think I am,
sometimes I just want
to zone out and take what's given to me. Crikey, McDonald's is awful, but
dammit I am SO
running late and I am dyin' here. Repace food with the various environments and
social
differences between videoblogcasts.
Side note: while I don't comment as much as I used to on vlogs, what I found
that I do is
collect my favorites and carry them with me. That's neither participatory nor
consuming,
but rather interactive and intimiate. It's also evangelical.
Some of you are vlogging to the weirdest places. ;-)
ER
http://ericrice.com
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Show [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
commenting is pretty difficult for me, because we've started watching videos
on tv which is really good for us in that my wife can share in the whole
vlog experience, it's more relaxing, and we watch a LOT more videos
... the draw back is that clearly it's less interactive, and I have to go
back the next day and comment, so I don't do it as much or as timely
... however, I've got to say, it's really fun to get comments, and it really
is a fundamental thing in what makes video blogging different than
traditional video ... Richard
On 11/29/05, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't have to be blown away by a vlog. If it is really enjoyable
and/or has some unique interesting quality, even if I can see someone was
trying very hard to accomplish something, I feel a few minutes of free
entertainment deserves some words of thanks.
Like you, I realize how few people comment. For that reason, I comment as
often as I feel I have something valid to say. I do resist negative
comments in most cases but there are exceptions.
Maybe, Blip or someone should be able to link comments the way Amazon
has a link that says 'See all the reviews this person has done.
Randolfe (Randy) Wicker
Videographer, Writer, Activist
Advisor: The Immortality Institute
Hoboken, NJ
http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/
201-656-3280
- Original Message -
*From:* Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:16 AM
*Subject:* [videoblogging] Re: Notices when someone posts a comment on
your vlog.
Randolfe I've commented on your blogs a few times but I do it on
your blog rather than on Blip. I enjoy comments too but really most
people don't bother. I average less than 1 comment per 500 views.
Speaking for my self, I only comment if something really moves me.
It's my way of saying thanks because it's a really powerful and
great thing to make another human being feel something and it's
especially tricky to do it remotely thru this medium. But it's a
rare and beautiful thing when it happens.
Bill Streeter
LO-FI SAINT LOUIS
www.lofistl.com
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Randolfe Wicker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've had vlogs with over 600 views and no comments.
However, tonight I got a notice from Blip TV that someone had
posted a comment on one of my vlogs.
This is such a fabulous advance (or continuation) or service from
blip.
I've posted comments on vlogs and never heard from them again.
Then I have gone back and discovered the person who did the vlog
answered my question. I('m thinking of the disable person who told
me he had MS.) I was so delighted to see others took the trouble to
go there and leave feedback. I was amazed to see Blip had his vlog
as the most popular of the day.
I must say that I am becoming a real fan of Blip TV. They seem to
really have a concept of what we are all about. I've met some of
those involved at Node 101 and was also impressed.
That doesn't mean I'm not going to stop asking hard
questions..like how do they determine the most watched vlogs?
What time does the cycle begin and when does it end?
No criticism here. But if they begin at midnight and end at
midnight and you post some fabulous vlog at ten p.m., you really
just aren't in the running.Those interested in statistics and who
feel vlogging is a type of show business competition want to know
the answers to these questions.
I'm just happy that there really are people genuinely interested
in this new form of communication.I'm happy that they are working to
[videoblogging] Quickie plug/announcement: Castella
Just FYI, a month ahead of schedule, we launched our first localized version of Audioblog.com in Japan today--which is called Castella (http://Castella.jp) and is the Audioblog service, but with a portal, search, and mobile phone listening features. And of course, in Japanese. Pics on flickr of the logo and Audioblog in Japanese: http://flickr.com/photos/ericrice Real exciting day! Eric /end plug ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Spirit can not be spoken for
One of the things I pinged the good folks about Podcast Pickle about was ratings based on a USER's favorite vlogs. While popularity and star systems have their place in certain cases, what's most important to me is how my favorites rank other vlogs. For example, what does Peter think is cool? I want to know. I want to look at his personal list of favorites, see how he ranks them. If I'm giving trust to Peter as a filter, then his rankings really really matter. To *me*. Two cents. ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter of MeFeddia says: 1 example is: I don't allow star ratings with reviews, because that would encourage a mindset of popularity is important. Sorry to say that I disagree with you. Star ratings are actually very important and should be allowed. That is especially true when the star ratings are accompanied by text critiques. I trust the judgment of many over the opinions of the anointed few. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, Activist Advisor: The Immortality Institute Hoboken, NJ http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/ 201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: petertheman To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:29 AM Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Spirit can not be spoken for I think vlogging can be greatly impacted through directories. That is why we as a community should work to set up an open directory that will become the accepted norm. Otherwise, others will set up slanted and manipulated and even closed directories. I am (clearly, since I built Mefeedia.com) a believer in directories. They have their pros and cons. And I do believe strongly that having *open* directories is very important. I try hard to make Mefeedia open, and there are things I still need to work on. 1 example is: I don't allow star ratings with reviews, because that would encourage a mindset of popularity is important. Sorting by popularity is something I do on the /feeds/ page (because you have to sort by something), but it's the easy way out. I don't like it, and I'm adding other sorting options in the next version (coming out end next week). The problem with popularity is not just that it encourages the popular mindset (is this highschool or what?) but also: what is the algorythm? Right now, in Mefeedia it's just amount of videos watched. But that's not that great. So anyways, what does an open directory mean? Having a directory is great for 2 things: to introduce newbies to videobloggers, and to go find some new stuff you didn't know about. Having an open directory means that all videobloggers have an equal chance to get listed in the directory, and to get discovered in the directory. It means that you don't just promote the popular and commercial stuff, but that you actively try to promote the unknown vlogs too. Enough ranting! Peter -- http://mefeedia.com -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group videoblogging on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: separate RSS for second video format
Blogware supports category RSS. Most KSSX.com shows are category RSS feeds burned by feedburner. And my videoblog is only a category on my main blog. I use feedburner so it's sorta hidden. ;-) ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like someone to tell me how to get a separate feed BY Category in TypePad. And while you are at it, I'd also like a custom header graphic. On my videoblog, http://stevegarfield.blogs.com , I have 'The Carol and Steve Show' and 'Vlog Soup' set up as categories and people want to subscribe to them. Thanks, --Steve On Nov 24, 2005, at 5:10 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Or maybe its time to ween off Blogger to something that provides more options and customizability... Wordpress, MovableType, TypePad, and there are plenty of others... --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: separate RSS for second video format
I just woke up and luckily, you owe me 10 bucks. ;-) Now, on to te answers: As it stands, you can create as many RSS feeds as you like with Audioblog. What we offer in terms of posting is twofold: You can choose to post a flash player to your blog (we support most blog software and services), OR you can choose to post to your Audioblog- created RSS feed. What's interesting is that when folks post to a blog, and turn on an option for publishing a link to the source file, something like 80%+ of people click the player, not the download link. We want to enable folks to publish links to the source file they upload. All of this is because feedburner does a great job of seeing the link and saying 'booyah! enclosure!' Formats: The final tweaks we're making before you can publish video to your RSS feed, is making sure we can convert any format to iPod-video ready Quicktime. The demand is overwhelming. Our video beta has been available for a year to our customers and it's amazing watching a completely different community grow and evolve. And what's great is that it lives out in the wild, and it resembles a couple things: 1) what people have always done with video and 2) illustrates clearly the four main styles of video content. Hope all that helps. ER ericrice.com audioblog.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: e) Audioblog.com... Last but not least let's not forget pay services like Eric Rice's Podcast.com (or is it Podcasts.com, damit) already offer automatic format shifting. You upload in one format and it automatically produces flash for display, and alternative formats for download. The question is do they offer alternative feeds? ($10 says Eric Rice responds by noon EST even though today's the biggest shopping day of the year ;) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: mainstream music in videos
ASCAP/BMI/et al covers songwriting royalties. No practical licensing exists for downloads or derivative uses of the mechanical performances. 'Getting away with it' and Fair Use: be careful. The landscape is too hot and too lawsuit happy. Talk with a good lawyer if you want to push the limits. Can you challenge a Fair Use lawsuit if EFF doesn't step up? I used to be much more casual about using music until I worked on the deal with Warner Bros/Reprise for my podcast. From that point on, I made a point to stop (that sorta happens when you know a lot of Hollywood types are watching/listening). Dig through CC music, Opsound, Association of Music Podcasting and others. Everyday Films has permission from the Parkdale Hookers. My podcast and Backstaging.com uses music from cjacksmusic.com, a CC artist, who has the license for me to be able to use his stuff. And it's so good, I want to hire him for some work. We can build our own economies with the indie movement, while fighting the battle to unshackle the music from the old world of legacy entertainment and media. This too, shall change. It just takes time. ER http://ericrice.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ronen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's safer to use music you have permissions to. But Usually people let it slide. Kevin Smith's vlog uses a ton of copyrighted music, and do many other people's, and no one's raising any eyebrows. Just don't try to sell it, or put the vlog in iTunes' listings. The answer is basically No, but [for the time being] you can get away with it. Some people I know are trying to work out an extended solution to this which would crack open the archives for use. More as it develops. On 11/21/05, Thomas G Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: im not totally sure but i think u need a mechanical license for sampling... and are allowed fewer than 7 notes if you are covering... something like that... check out BMI, ASCAP, Harry Fox, SESAC they'll ask u how many reproductions u plan to make. ur traffic would be an idea i guess... the conversation usually starts around 500 units... and a few dollars per... i dunno if that means they dont care for less than that? permission isn't implied... but u could probably bank on them not wasting their time if the circulation is low... thats all in the context of CD releases n stuff... how that translates to new media ... no idea generally speaking i have no idea what im talking about On 11/21/05, strollingbones2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't it legal to use like a ten second snippet of copyrighted music under the Fair Use Clause of the law? Eric http://strollingbones.blogspot.com http://prvideoblogging.blogspot.com -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/ videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]videoblogging- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- -- Thomas G Henry Phone: 845.22.88.555 Skype: ThomasGHenry Community Media http://ValleyVlog.blogspot.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HVNewMedia/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ SPONSORED LINKS Individualhttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig= IkmOF87iVVg5aOV5s-5ShQ Fireanthttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=H1 5DYYUHQoulfARYZSKttA Typepadhttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=msk=Typepadw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=b K2vbSrJUIzcRadddW7krQ Usehttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Typepadw4=Usec=4s=51.sig=RO46 LszR1YSPWsK2mib1pA -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/ videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]videoblogging- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: blogging != CB radio the end times
I love how ham radio gets brought into the mix. Two of us on our show are amateur radio operators, licensed and the whole nine, as are most of my friends. It's the most bizarre analogy I've ever seen yet. Unless we need licenses to blog? ;-) ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well I'm not sure how Ham Radio got into the mix (its different than CB) ... but as a Federally Licensed Short Wave Radio Operator (HAM Radio) I'll chime in ... :-) Let me first speak to the slightly OT part: Yeah HAM operators have been operating a network of computers over short wave for ... well a long long long long long time. Ham Radio has always been an interesting (and at times vital) component in emergency/disaster communications. ok .. now back to the topic (I think). I've kinda thought of it this way in my head: VoIP is to Ham Radio as Vlogging is to TV. VoIP let people freely find/communicate with people all over the world without the entry barrier (license) or technical knowledge (Radio operation/code/etc) that things like Ham Radio have. One of the coolest things that brought young people into the hobby of Ham Radio was the wonder of sitting town and being able to have a random conversation and share ideas with people all over the world. It was great. It required a license and to learn Morse code, and to know how radio signals worked, and how to tune an antenna for the right band, and all sorts of things ... but it was great. Today ... you can do that with Yahoo Messenger. :-P The other amazing thing you could do with HAM Radio was stay in contact anywhere ... even in your car. HAMs would set up auto-patches to route Shortwave to/from land line telephones ... WHOA! Today ... we all have cell phones. :-P Understandably HAMs were somewhat concerned that their already dwindling numbers might drop off all together as this new distributed and unregulated communication medium found its place in homes all over the world. Sure there was alot of noise on this 'Internet' but the shear ease of use (comparably) was hard to ignore. Mainstream media is no doubt similarly concerned that their revenue models and programming formats are going to be serious problems as a new and engaging form of on-demand entertainment is insisted upon by more and more of the world. Ham Radio Operators eventually learned that things were going to change, but nobody was likely to go extinct. Ham Radio license requirements have changes, preferred operating methods, bandwidth has been reallocated - but HAMs are still around. Hams still use auto-patch at times (even though they have a cell phone). Hams still spend hours hunting for the perfect long-range signal (even though they could just open up an international VoIP chat room). The same will happen with media I think. Some vloggers will move more mainstream. Some mainstream will move to be more vloggish. Vloggers will have to deal with more and more show-like vlogs (and the expectation that will set in new potential viewers). Mainstream media will have to deal with the fact that people can get unfiltered news and entertainment on demand (and the expectation that will set in their viewers). People willing to look through a bit of noise will use VoIP/Vlogging scenario... the rest will find comfort in the more controlled HAM/Mainstream-Media scenario :-) Sure there's noise in our channel ... but it wont prevent the change that is bound to come. ... I think I found the point there?? ... - Dave -- http://www.DavidMeade.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: To Jay Dedman about ANDREW MICHAEL BARON
Hey wow, did the podcast list merge with the videoblog list? /sarcasm! RICE --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chris Baudry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jay: It is not a flaming war. It is just that someone who says on your list that he will show up for a dinner in his honor and does not show up or apologizes, needs to be remembered about politeness. Especially when several people who wasted their time there had a one hour commute. I understand that you can delete me from the group. And you pretty much understand that I am a member of various video conference meetings and I'll express my feelings on them. Looks like Andrew complained about my message to you. Why did he not apologize on the list? Regards, Chris On 11/16/05, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about reading the messages from time to time? chrisi am one of the moderators of this group. i read this email below (as well as the others you sent in a row): andrew michael baron deleted could be in Topeka next week!! He can have a diet coke with his favorite VCs on his own there!!! Get in touch with MacDonald's!!! chris-- it looks like youre starting a flame war. why dont you explain to me what this means. if its a personal email..send it to him. Jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging URL: http://www.momentshowing.net http://feeds.feedburner.com/Momentshowing Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Crazy talk about the future of vloggy media
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People like Eric Rice, kudos to him, think this will happen on the cellular level, and he has a great many points, the marketing hype for video on cellular devices is hot but in my opinion cellular networks and the devices tied to them are way to closed at this point not allowing aggregators for RSS yet, besides this type of media does not require always on services. Just to clarify, I believe it will eventually happen on the mobile level, just not in North America first. Go to where the market is functional. (Disclosure: Audioblog received funding to expand our podcast + videoblog service in Japan, et al.) Also, some of you who want to transcode to video iPod-ready formats won't have too long of a wait. ;-) Cheers, ER Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Service Provider Sustainability (was: Starting a conversation about money)
Not too big of a believer about people paying for most content, however, I am a believer in varying levels of service. Perhaps basic functionality for the publisher (vlogger) is free, with more advanced features being a small premium. Naturally, we do something similar at Audioblog, which in part, pays for our tremendous infrastructure and bandwidth from revenue. There's no such thing as Free. Someone is paying a bill someplace. Is it gonna be you? One more thing. Do _not be discouraged_ by the cries of I know how to do that myself, why would I pay for it? that pop up from time to time. For every person that says that, there are ten people who don't. And some of those people are those that don't _want_ to do it themselves (I can install blog software, setup databases, etc., but for the longest time, I didn't _want_ to do it--- I went with a hosted service). Hope my .02 helps! ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, petertheman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to start an intelligent conversation about money. Right now, I am moving Mefeedia to a dedicated server. That costs some money. And more imnportantly, I am spending a lot of time on it. So I'm thinking about ways to perhaps turn it from a hobby into a business. The same issues arise for blip.tv, ant and other businesses, so feel free to add to this conversation guys. I think if we can have a conversation here, then perhaps the vloggers can steer the future into a path that they like. So that'd be cool. So here's 1 idea I am playing with. Let's say Mefeedia can get your vlog accessible on the PSP, and through the PSP users paying a fee or something we make some $$, and give you a % of that, maybe half. Only if you opt-in of course. That way you get more viewers, and make some $$ of it, and Mefeedia makes some $ too for making the deals and the software to make this possible.. You would still have you videoblog wherever you want, nothing would change, all you need to do is opt in at mefeedia to allow this. Would that make sense? Good? Evil? This is just one crazy idea, I'm just trying to see what people think about things like this.. Cheers, Peter Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Free Flash FLV Players
I know a cross-platform service that costs a little that can do it, but you know me. I hate to shamelessly promote. ;-) ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nerissa, do you know how we can create flash video from the Mac side for free or at what cost with what? -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Webcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Oct 6, 2005, at 3:22 PM, Nerissa ((TheVideoQueen)) wrote: I found this site that has several free Flash FLV players you can use. I don't know if it has been posted before, but they seem pretty good to me. http://www.videospark.com/index.php?sp=7 Thanks for the info! I use and like this free FLV player. It incorporates PERFECTLY into Sorenson Squeeze 4.1. http:// www.martijndevisser.com/archives/21.php No ads or other crap. Neriss Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
I think it's important to separate actual technology from content and interaction. Blogs, podcasts, and videoblogs triumph on the technology of subscription delivery: RSS et al. Audio and video (and any other media file for that matter) can be automatically downloaded via this technology. Completely agnostic to content, file is file is file. Blogs can be a communication 'platform'... for both audio and video and pdfs and jpgs... (I can start podcasting JPGs to be a smart ass, and you can certainly tell me I'm a smart ass in my blog comments, like you can with audio or video. What we're faced with is -blogging as a suffix and -casting as a suffix. The term -casting is technical; -blogging is social. Part of me wonders if we're all making Microsoft's point by walking so dangerously close to their desired term of 'blogcasting' Casting wasn't in my daily vocabulary when I birthed the domain Audioblog.com in 2001. In a way, that sucks, because the word Audioblog sounds real out of place right now. In theory, I don't' even like any of the terms-- I focus on the notion of show and brand. Something I produce will still be an Eric Rice Production no matter if it's a videoblog video podcast audioblog audio podcast broadcast narrowcast mobilecast xmradiocast blogged printed purchased dvd'd. Seriously, I'll go with the populist view. If I have to spend three times as long explaining a harder term when I could be taking the populist angle and getting three times the number of people to 'getting it', okay, I'll take that. If Apple wants to bust out with a term like video podcast, then thank you Cupertino for doing our marketing for the go-make-media revolution. Steal the term and use it like it's ours. It's inside our little echo chamber of tech early adopterism when nomenclature becomes religious. We think of *ourselves* and not the people watching or listening. Question: What do you tell someone who Does Not Want to subscribe to RSS and participate in the comments, but certainly wants to watch you make stuff? Would you correct a viewer if they use the wrong term? Are they unwelcome? Would you refuse their attention? Or money? Which battle are we fighting anyway? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 15, 2005, at 8:37 PM, Eric Rice wrote: Heh, I lost this battle at Audioblog... # Video podcasting is different than videoblogging. Podcasting does not have the blog part. Some podcasters attempt to work this avenue, but podcasting as a medium generally ignores metadata, hyperlinks, and general blog mentality. Podcasters will try and argue this. Yet look no further than iTunes which has zero blog-like features. Also, people who call themselves or identify with video podcaster, obviously come out of a certain angle that is specific to the home radio mentality, a product specific term which defines a limited time period (i.e. ipodcasting, etc, will eventually become nostalgic and exclusive). # The word videoblog will always prevail when referring to one type of video over IP. It has certain characteristics which make it what it is. As long as there is blog, there will be a videoblog too. A short LCD (lowest common denominator) video show over IP on a major network like NBC, for instance, will not be called a videoblog, but called something else (it wont be called video podcasting either) and if they decide to create a behind the scenes look of the show, perhaps THAT will be a videoblog. # IPTV seems to be gaining as a genus term for all of the different species. Terminology isn't important. Action is. Terminology is VERY important too. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
