subject:"RE\: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone \- Bloomberg"

Christopher,

I have no idea, when you search for something in Google something is bound to 
pop up, I was just pulling Pablo's Android headphones because it's so much fun 
to tease him, criticise Android even just a bit and he's charging to the 
rescue. Good thing he didn't buy a Note 7 or he would have had to wear a Nomex 
suit and carry a fire extinguisher in his backpack. Anyways, I'll stop it now, 
it's fun for a bit but enough is enough.
Pablo, I give you $100 for your iPhone 7, sounds like it's just lying around 
there and from the way you make it sound it's just a piece of junk so it must 
not be worth a lot, right and for that $100 you can probably buy 2 Android 
tablets. *smile*


Take care,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

I looked for a date and couldn't find it, but when was that article written? 
The fact that Blackberry had 25% of the market share and Nokia 7% makes me 
think it's based on kind of dated information. Be interesting to know if things 
have changed at all. I know I'm happier with Android now then I would have been 
just a year ago.

On 23/03/17 19:36, Pablo Cesar Morales wrote:
> Yes, those are users who are happy with the software policies of 
> apple, with the permanent voice over bugs, with the limitations that 
> IOs has, and many other funny things.
>
> It is why I bought a pixel device, because my iPhone 7 made me laugh a lot.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
> Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2017 8:12 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red 
> iPhone - Bloomberg
>
>
>
> Pablo, did you know research shows that iPhone users are happier and 
> much funnier than Android users? It’s because Android users are 
> usually so frustrated with their phones that they have no sense of 
> humour. There are even reports on the web to proof this:
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/mobile-phones/8795640/Apple-iPho
> ne-makes-users-happier-than-Android.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Pablo Cesar Morales
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2017 3:10 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red 
> iPhone - Bloomberg
>
>
>
> Yes, Sieghard Is right. I hate to say it but Sieghard is right. We 
> need to have some fun.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2017 2:50 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red 
> iPhone - Bloomberg
>
>
>
> Yes, but from time to time we just have to have some fun.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Edmonds, Lucy (LARA)
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:33 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red 
> iPhone - Bloomberg
>
>
>
> Could you guys please please take this off the list? This is not 
> helpful to anyone, and I thought that is what this list is all about 
> is helping each other to learn.
>
>
>
> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Pablo Cesar Morales
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2017 2:29 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red 
> iPhone - Bloomberg
>
>
>
> Sieghard,
>
> Sorry man, but you made me laugh a lot. You said “But Pablo, don’t say 
> it is better because it is not.”. Because it is not? why is it not?
>
> Because you said so?
>
> Have you used an android phone with android 7.1 ?
>
> No right?
>
> Ok, I have more knowledge to say that it is better. If you try an 
> android phone for months and you come to the list and explain why you 
> believe IOs is better than android. I will not laugh, I promise.
>
> But come on man. If I am saying that for me andro

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

2017-03-23 Thread Christopher Chaltain

I looked for a date and couldn't find it, but when was that article
written? The fact that Blackberry had 25% of the market share and Nokia
7% makes me think it's based on kind of dated information. Be
interesting to know if things have changed at all. I know I'm happier
with Android now then I would have been just a year ago.

On 23/03/17 19:36, Pablo Cesar Morales wrote:

Yes, those are users who are happy with the software policies of apple,
with the permanent voice over bugs, with the limitations that IOs has,
and many other funny things.

It is why I bought a pixel device, because my iPhone 7 made me laugh a lot.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2017 8:12 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg

Pablo, did you know research shows that iPhone users are happier and
much funnier than Android users? It’s because Android users are usually
so frustrated with their phones that they have no sense of humour. There
are even reports on the web to proof this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/mobile-phones/8795640/Apple-iPhone-makes-users-happier-than-Android.html

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Pablo Cesar Morales
*Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2017 3:10 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg

Yes, Sieghard Is right. I hate to say it but Sieghard is right. We need
to have some fun.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2017 2:50 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg

Yes, but from time to time we just have to have some fun.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Edmonds, Lucy (LARA)
*Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:33 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg

Could you guys please please take this off the list? This is not helpful
to anyone, and I thought that is what this list is all about is helping
each other to learn.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Pablo Cesar Morales
*Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2017 2:29 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg

Sieghard,

Sorry man, but you made me laugh a lot. You said “But Pablo, don’t say
it is better because it is not.”. Because it is not? why is it not?

Because you said so?

Have you used an android phone with android 7.1 ?

No right?

Ok, I have more knowledge to say that it is better. If you try an
android phone for months and you come to the list and explain why you
believe IOs is better than android. I will not laugh, I promise.

But come on man. If I am saying that for me android is better, obviously
I am saying why I believe than android is better than IOs. It is better
because I don’t have the software policies that IOs has. More over I
have found better accessibility in apps that exist in IOs and android. I
have found in android a lot more flexibility, something that IOs doesn’t
know what that means. I have found a lot of customization, another word
that IOs doesn’t know what that means.

Leave the list?

No way, I like to bother you, you know I have nothing else to do during
the whole day, and during the whole week, during the 365 days of the
year. If I don’t lieve the list is for three reasons; because I have IOs
devices, because I train people with IOs, and because I like to bother you.

Again, all of this are my opinions, and I am basing my opinions in my
experience and expectations.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:31 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg

I wish I had kept the email you sent me a few months ago when you became
active on this list again after you left for Android a year or two ago.
Anyhow, I guess Android must have become amazing in those few months and
it sounds as if you will once again sell your iPhone and leave this list
to join the Android side. I’m glad An

RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

Yes, those are users who are happy with the software policies of apple, with 
the permanent voice over bugs, with the limitations that IOs has, and many 
other funny things.

It is why I bought a pixel device, because my iPhone 7 made me laugh a lot.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 8:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Pablo, did you know research shows that iPhone users are happier and much 
funnier than Android users? It’s because Android users are usually so 
frustrated with their phones that they have no sense of humour. There are even 
reports on the web to proof this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/mobile-phones/8795640/Apple-iPhone-makes-users-happier-than-Android.html

 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Yes, Sieghard Is right. I hate to say it but Sieghard is right. We need to have 
some fun. 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 2:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Yes, but from time to time we just have to have some fun.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Edmonds, Lucy (LARA)
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Could you guys please please take this off the list? This is not helpful to 
anyone, and I thought that is what this list is all about is helping each other 
to learn.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 2:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Sieghard,

Sorry man, but you made me laugh a lot. You said “But Pablo, don’t say it is 
better because it is not.”. Because it is not? why is it not?

Because you said so?

Have you used an android phone with android 7.1 ?

No right?

Ok, I have more knowledge to say that it is better. If you try an android phone 
for months and you come to the list and explain why you believe IOs is better 
than android. I will not laugh, I promise.

But come on man. If I am saying that for me android is better, obviously I am 
saying why I believe than android is better than IOs. It is better because I 
don’t have the software policies that IOs has. More over I have found better 
accessibility in apps that exist in IOs and android. I have found in android a 
lot more flexibility, something that IOs doesn’t know what that means. I have 
found a lot of customization, another word that IOs doesn’t know what that 
means. 

Leave the list?

No way, I like to bother you, you know I have nothing else to do during the 
whole day, and during the whole week, during the 365 days of the year. If I 
don’t lieve the list is for three reasons; because I have IOs devices, because 
I train people with IOs, and because I like to bother you.

Again, all of this are my opinions, and I am basing my opinions in my 
experience and expectations.

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

I wish I had kept the email you sent me a few months ago when you became active 
on this list again after you left for Android a year or two ago. Anyhow, I 
guess Android must have become amazing in those few months and it sounds as if 
you will once again sell your iPhone and leave this list to join the Android 
side. I’m glad Android and the google Pixel are such good alternatives to iOS 
and the iPhone, without competition nobody would be very motivated to do 
better. But Pablo, don’t say it is better because it is not. It is simply 
different and Android appeals to some people more than iOS and vice versa.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@

RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

Pablo, did you know research shows that iPhone users are happier and much 
funnier than Android users? It’s because Android users are usually so 
frustrated with their phones that they have no sense of humour. There are even 
reports on the web to proof this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/mobile-phones/8795640/Apple-iPhone-makes-users-happier-than-Android.html




From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Yes, Sieghard Is right. I hate to say it but Sieghard is right. We need to have 
some fun.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 2:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Yes, but from time to time we just have to have some fun.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Edmonds, Lucy (LARA)
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Could you guys please please take this off the list? This is not helpful to 
anyone, and I thought that is what this list is all about is helping each other 
to learn.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 2:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Sieghard,
Sorry man, but you made me laugh a lot. You said “But Pablo, don’t say it is 
better because it is not.”. Because it is not? why is it not?
Because you said so?
Have you used an android phone with android 7.1 ?
No right?
Ok, I have more knowledge to say that it is better. If you try an android phone 
for months and you come to the list and explain why you believe IOs is better 
than android. I will not laugh, I promise.
But come on man. If I am saying that for me android is better, obviously I am 
saying why I believe than android is better than IOs. It is better because I 
don’t have the software policies that IOs has. More over I have found better 
accessibility in apps that exist in IOs and android. I have found in android a 
lot more flexibility, something that IOs doesn’t know what that means. I have 
found a lot of customization, another word that IOs doesn’t know what that 
means.
Leave the list?
No way, I like to bother you, you know I have nothing else to do during the 
whole day, and during the whole week, during the 365 days of the year. If I 
don’t lieve the list is for three reasons; because I have IOs devices, because 
I train people with IOs, and because I like to bother you.
Again, all of this are my opinions, and I am basing my opinions in my 
experience and expectations.






From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

I wish I had kept the email you sent me a few months ago when you became active 
on this list again after you left for Android a year or two ago. Anyhow, I 
guess Android must have become amazing in those few months and it sounds as if 
you will once again sell your iPhone and leave this list to join the Android 
side. I’m glad Android and the google Pixel are such good alternatives to iOS 
and the iPhone, without competition nobody would be very motivated to do 
better. But Pablo, don’t say it is better because it is not. It is simply 
different and Android appeals to some people more than iOS and vice versa.

Regards,
Sieghard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Most don’t make profit?
How a company is going to be in business if they don’t male profit?
It doesn’t make sence. Yes, a lot of people is leaving IOs and are moving to 
android. You should try it, is much better. However I should recommend  that 
don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy a nexus 6p, or a pixel phone. They 
are great.




From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg


hi,
what happens if you tab around, till you find a tab control, and close 
the tab? it may be in the tree view. PS. remember, outLook is better, 
just because some say so LOL.


Sent from Thunderbird

On 23/03/17 6:57 PM, Lynn White wrote:

CCan someone please tell me how to get into the inbox of Thunderbird without 
having to read their release notes and all that?  I just want to use it like 
you could before the latest update.  Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 23, 2017, at 6:24 AM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:

i,
android, however, at the end of the day, is android. and no matter how much you 
customise it, no matter how accessible it is, at the end of the day, it's 
android, and trust me, some of us don't like it. and no, it's not a matter of 
being able to use it or whether it's accessible.

Sent from Thunderbird


On 23/03/17 1:48 AM, Pablo Cesar Morales wrote:
*No, I am not saying that apple is doing something wrong. The Customers
are who are doing wrong here. Today accessibility is much better on
android devices than on IOs. I have an iPhone, and I have a pixel phone.
I leave my iPhone every day at home, and I take my pixel. I have a lot
of freedom using a pixel phone, and I love freedom. It is something that
I was missing when I was an iPhone user.*

*I am able to install apps in my pixel sitting on my computer using
internet explorer. I just go to the google play store, I search for what
ever app, and I press enter on install. That is it. The app is installed
automaticly in my pixel phone. More over, if I have my pixel phone not
with me. Because I forgot my phone in my office. I am able to install
apps, or remove apps from my home, just using a regular browser. Not
iTunes.*

*If I want to put music in my phone, I just connect my phone, and with
copy and paste, I am able to transfer what ever music or video from my
computer to my phone, not need to use iTunes for that.*

*If I want to install apps that are not in the play store, I don’t need
to do what apple users has to do. I just enable third parties apps in my
phone and it is it.*

*I have eloquence install in my pixel, the same voice that is using
jaws. I like this voice, it is easier to understand.*

*I have found better accessibility in a lot of apps that in IOs just
doesn’t exist or is very low.*

*Android is a platform that is use a lot outside the United States. In
United States exist the idea that if you are an android user, it is
because you are poor, and if you have an iPhone, then it is because you
are nice. Stupid ideas that we developed from those days when iPhones
used to be more expensive than android phones. Yes is true that android
wasn’t that good before, but today I am an iPhone and android user. I
like better android for many many reasons.*

* *

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Alan Lemly
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:11 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg



Pablo,



I'm not sure why you think it's wrong for a for-profit company like
Apple to want to make money on their products. I guarantee you that any
company not operating in this fashion won't be long of this world. And
you speak of Android as if it's one company instead of the multitude of
companies that make devices that run under Android. If you don't like
Apple's closed file system which seems to be working pretty well for
them based on their sales and current stock price, you should use an
Android device and I hope it meets all your needs. That's the way supply
and demand is supposed to work in our economic system.



Alan Lemly



*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Pablo Cesar Morales
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:30 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg



Pixel doesn’t have a sd card slot, but it is not the only android
device. Samsung and many other big cellphone brands creates phones with
sd cards.

Really the problem with apple is that they want to make money with
everything, and they want to handle what you place in your iPhone
memory. With the story abour copy rights they have done very difficult
for users manage music between iPhones, or also between iPhone and other
devices. Yes, we can use iTunes to transfer music to our iPhones, but
use this app is really difficult for standard users. More over in
android devices you can store there documents of all types, you can
create folders and subfolders in the same way how we do in our
computers. In iPhones the story is different. It is one of the reasons
why I bought an android device. Android and IOs have different politics
and different cultures. Apple’s culture is money, money and more money.
Android’s culture is share, share and

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

LOL tempted to add this list into my pronunciation dictionary in the 
name of eyes-free. LOL.


Sent from Thunderbird

On 23/03/17 4:31 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I wish I had kept the email you sent me a few months ago when you became
active on this list again after you left for Android a year or two ago.
Anyhow, I guess Android must have become amazing in those few months and
it sounds as if you will once again sell your iPhone and leave this list
to join the Android side. I’m glad Android and the google Pixel are such
good alternatives to iOS and the iPhone, without competition nobody
would be very motivated to do better. But Pablo, don’t say it is better
because it is not. It is simply different and Android appeals to some
people more than iOS and vice versa.



Regards,

Sieghard







*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Pablo Cesar Morales
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:51 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg



Most don’t make profit?

How a company is going to be in business if they don’t male profit?

It doesn’t make sence. Yes, a lot of people is leaving IOs and are
moving to android. You should try it, is much better. However I should
recommend  that don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy a nexus 6p,
or a pixel phone. They are great.









*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:59 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg



Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making
most of the money in this industry. There are many people who make
android devices. Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in
business forever if they don't make a profit.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com
<mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com>> wrote:

Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS
reliability and phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away
from Apple devices for just that reason.  With the added advances in
the camera, both front and rear, pictures will get larger, and I
don’t even think there are phones available higher than the five
that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are pushing it.
When they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they
realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to take
pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the
32 gig devices, especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the
smaller issue.  How many phones out there are getting more and more
waterproof and dust proof, and they don’t seem to have a problem
with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security could be plugged
to avoid that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is
guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced to get their
content from iTunes and App store.  Open up the file system and
you’re looking at an easier way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t
have that.  Regardless, I do think that Apple should open their eyes
when it comes to expansion, if only to make it easier to connect to
a portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold when the
Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a
thought.



Victor



*From:*Sieghard Weitzel

*Sent:*Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM

*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

*Subject:*RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition
Red iPhone - Bloomberg



Hi Victor,



I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and
offer SD card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce
media on an SD card then the OS must have access to the folders or
maybe it would be more accurate to say that Apple would have to give
users access to what is on the SD card and that would possibly
defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform. Any SD
card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce a lot of
latency in how fast things get loaded and I think this all goes
against what Apple wants to achieve. I think actually that even some
high-end Android phones are moving away from that, but I might be
wrong, just something I heard. Does the Google Pixel for example
have an SD card slot? Lastly, having such an expansion slot on an
iPad is one thing because there is probably plenty of space, but
having it on an iPhone is most likely not very practical as there
hardly is any space left as is and of course making a highly
waterproof or water r

RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

Yes, Sieghard Is right. I hate to say it but Sieghard is right. We need to have 
some fun. 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 2:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Yes, but from time to time we just have to have some fun.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Edmonds, Lucy (LARA)
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Could you guys please please take this off the list? This is not helpful to 
anyone, and I thought that is what this list is all about is helping each other 
to learn.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 2:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Sieghard,

Sorry man, but you made me laugh a lot. You said “But Pablo, don’t say it is 
better because it is not.”. Because it is not? why is it not?

Because you said so?

Have you used an android phone with android 7.1 ?

No right?

Ok, I have more knowledge to say that it is better. If you try an android phone 
for months and you come to the list and explain why you believe IOs is better 
than android. I will not laugh, I promise.

But come on man. If I am saying that for me android is better, obviously I am 
saying why I believe than android is better than IOs. It is better because I 
don’t have the software policies that IOs has. More over I have found better 
accessibility in apps that exist in IOs and android. I have found in android a 
lot more flexibility, something that IOs doesn’t know what that means. I have 
found a lot of customization, another word that IOs doesn’t know what that 
means. 

Leave the list?

No way, I like to bother you, you know I have nothing else to do during the 
whole day, and during the whole week, during the 365 days of the year. If I 
don’t lieve the list is for three reasons; because I have IOs devices, because 
I train people with IOs, and because I like to bother you.

Again, all of this are my opinions, and I am basing my opinions in my 
experience and expectations.

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

I wish I had kept the email you sent me a few months ago when you became active 
on this list again after you left for Android a year or two ago. Anyhow, I 
guess Android must have become amazing in those few months and it sounds as if 
you will once again sell your iPhone and leave this list to join the Android 
side. I’m glad Android and the google Pixel are such good alternatives to iOS 
and the iPhone, without competition nobody would be very motivated to do 
better. But Pablo, don’t say it is better because it is not. It is simply 
different and Android appeals to some people more than iOS and vice versa.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Most don’t make profit?

How a company is going to be in business if they don’t male profit?

It doesn’t make sence. Yes, a lot of people is leaving IOs and are moving to 
android. You should try it, is much better. However I should recommend  that 
don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy a nexus 6p, or a pixel phone. They 
are great.

 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most of 
the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
don't make a profit.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv

RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

Great, I like it. Just tell me when.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 2:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Hi Pablo,

I like to bother you just as much and I guess we make each other laugh. So why 
is Android better? Because you say so, right? Yes, you have both devices and 
you think and this is the keyword here “you think” that Android is better. That 
of course means it is better in your opinion, right? As I said, I am sure 
Android by now is very advanced, I am sure the Google Pixel is a very nice 
phone and I’m sure many people prefer Android over iOS. But that doesn’t mean 
iOS is not good and that many people don’t prefer it over Android. I know a 
number of people who have switched from Android to iOS and think it’s way 
better and the same goes the other way around.

Anyways, now you better shut up because you know nothing and I could take you 
any day and with both hands tied behind my back, how do you like that *grin*

Oh, and if the Pixel with Android is so great, why has Apple sold more iPhone 7 
in the first weekend than Google has sold Pixels since they were released?

Best regards and wit great affection

Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Sieghard,

Sorry man, but you made me laugh a lot. You said “But Pablo, don’t say it is 
better because it is not.”. Because it is not? why is it not?

Because you said so?

Have you used an android phone with android 7.1 ?

No right?

Ok, I have more knowledge to say that it is better. If you try an android phone 
for months and you come to the list and explain why you believe IOs is better 
than android. I will not laugh, I promise.

But come on man. If I am saying that for me android is better, obviously I am 
saying why I believe than android is better than IOs. It is better because I 
don’t have the software policies that IOs has. More over I have found better 
accessibility in apps that exist in IOs and android. I have found in android a 
lot more flexibility, something that IOs doesn’t know what that means. I have 
found a lot of customization, another word that IOs doesn’t know what that 
means. 

Leave the list?

No way, I like to bother you, you know I have nothing else to do during the 
whole day, and during the whole week, during the 365 days of the year. If I 
don’t lieve the list is for three reasons; because I have IOs devices, because 
I train people with IOs, and because I like to bother you.

Again, all of this are my opinions, and I am basing my opinions in my 
experience and expectations.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

I wish I had kept the email you sent me a few months ago when you became active 
on this list again after you left for Android a year or two ago. Anyhow, I 
guess Android must have become amazing in those few months and it sounds as if 
you will once again sell your iPhone and leave this list to join the Android 
side. I’m glad Android and the google Pixel are such good alternatives to iOS 
and the iPhone, without competition nobody would be very motivated to do 
better. But Pablo, don’t say it is better because it is not. It is simply 
different and Android appeals to some people more than iOS and vice versa.

Regards,

Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Most don’t make profit?

How a company is going to be in business if they don’t male profit?

It doesn’t make sence. Yes, a lot of people is leaving IOs and are moving to 
android. You should try it, is much better. However I should recommend  that 
don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy a nexus 6p, or a pixel phone. They 
are great.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Apple I

RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

2017-03-23 Thread Mr. Ed

Hi victor,
Have you ever seen to bulls out in a pastor. Every spring they butt heads 
together until their heads get bloody to prove who is the tuffus  bull. Now do 
you understand? Of course I know neither one of them could break out of a wet 
paper bag. LOL
Mr. Ed   

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 3:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

I don't understand how this devolved into an argument over which is better, 
iPhone, or Android.

The fact is, each has benefits above and beyond the other, and there is no 
clear winner.

Just like if you come across a blind Android user, they'll say that the Android 
is more accessible, and the iPhone user will state the opposite.

I simply pointed out that Mary could not make such a blanket statement with 
providing a factual basis for her statement.  I outlined what was wrong with 
her statement, and I've moved on from there.

I've no idea how we've gotten into this devolved argument again.

I've noticed that this argument comes across every few months and I don't 
understand why.

Every one has read the benefits of each OS, and it's all subjective, in the end.

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 11:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

This is just my opinion, but I've used both Apple and Android, and I find 
Android to be the better platform. I appreciate it's openness and 
customizability. I like the widget support it's had for years. I like the 
variety in form factors. Android does have trouble with fragmentation though, 
but I'm willing to put up with this for the benefits I perceive.

Apple is a great product and a great ecosystem. I used it for years before I 
thought Android accessibility had caught up enough to make the jump possible. I 
still use an iPhone for work.

I think either platform is great depending on what you're looking for and how 
you use your phone. I think choice is good, and I don't think people need to 
get defensive when talking about the brand they chose to use or put down the 
other options. I for one hope both platforms get better and more accessible.

On 22/03/17 20:56, John Panarese wrote:
>   Actually, she’s right. Apple, by far, makes the greatest profits 
> over any other cell phone maker. It’s not even close. This information 
> can be found all over the place.
>
>As for your opinion on Android, it’s also completely off. iOS is a 
> much better and more intelligent platform than Android. I’ve used 
> Android and it was not impressive at all. And this was on a Google 
> device with a straight forward version of Android.
>
>
>
> Take Care
>
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> 
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>
>
>
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:53 PM, Pablo Cesar Morales 
>> <pablocmd2...@gmail.com <mailto:pablocmd2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, tbut it is not what I see in the industry. Apple makes a lot 
>> of money with another products. Apple is not just making iPhones. So 
>> we should use the same rule that you used with Samsung.
>>
>>
>> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
>> *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:16 PM
>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition 
>> Red iPhone - Bloomberg
>>
>>
>> Victor, every few months their articles coming out telling how much 
>> of the phone market which company has in terms of profits. Year after 
>> year, Apple makes the vast majority of profits in the phone market.
>> You might not like it. But it's true. There's a whole lot of the 
>> technical press that is all over articles every time some company 
>> gains a little bit of marketshare. Waymore phones have android on 
>> them then there are iPhones. And that makes exactly no difference, 
>> because the vast majority of the actual money being made is being 
>> made by Apple on phones, not any of the other companies. Samsung 
>> makes a bunch of money. They make some profit on phones. They also 
>> make a ton of money in other industries. All those cheap phones th

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

2017-03-23 Thread Victor Gouveia

I don't understand how this devolved into an argument over which is better, 
iPhone, or Android.


The fact is, each has benefits above and beyond the other, and there is no 
clear winner.


Just like if you come across a blind Android user, they'll say that the 
Android is more accessible, and the iPhone user will state the opposite.


I simply pointed out that Mary could not make such a blanket statement with 
providing a factual basis for her statement.  I outlined what was wrong with 
her statement, and I've moved on from there.


I've no idea how we've gotten into this devolved argument again.

I've noticed that this argument comes across every few months and I don't 
understand why.


Every one has read the benefits of each OS, and it's all subjective, in the 
end.


Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Chaltain

Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 11:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red 
iPhone - Bloomberg


This is just my opinion, but I've used both Apple and Android, and I
find Android to be the better platform. I appreciate it's openness and
customizability. I like the widget support it's had for years. I like
the variety in form factors. Android does have trouble with
fragmentation though, but I'm willing to put up with this for the
benefits I perceive.

Apple is a great product and a great ecosystem. I used it for years
before I thought Android accessibility had caught up enough to make the
jump possible. I still use an iPhone for work.

I think either platform is great depending on what you're looking for
and how you use your phone. I think choice is good, and I don't think
people need to get defensive when talking about the brand they chose to
use or put down the other options. I for one hope both platforms get
better and more accessible.

On 22/03/17 20:56, John Panarese wrote:

  Actually, she’s right. Apple, by far, makes the greatest profits over
any other cell phone maker. It’s not even close. This information can be
found all over the place.

   As for your opinion on Android, it’s also completely off. iOS is a
much better and more intelligent platform than Android. I’ve used
Android and it was not impressive at all. And this was on a Google
device with a straight forward version of Android.



Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com>
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT




On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:53 PM, Pablo Cesar Morales
<pablocmd2...@gmail.com <mailto:pablocmd2...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Sorry, tbut it is not what I see in the industry. Apple makes a lot of
money with another products. Apple is not just making iPhones. So we
should use the same rule that you used with Samsung.


*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
Behalf

Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:16 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg


Victor, every few months their articles coming out telling how much of
the phone market which company has in terms of profits. Year after
year, Apple makes the vast majority of profits in the phone market.
You might not like it. But it's true. There's a whole lot of the
technical press that is all over articles every time some company
gains a little bit of marketshare. Waymore phones have android on them
then there are iPhones. And that makes exactly no difference, because
the vast majority of the actual money being made is being made by
Apple on phones, not any of the other companies. Samsung makes a bunch
of money. They make some profit on phones. They also make a ton of
money in other industries. All those cheap phones that all those folks
are making our nonprofit producers. Again, you might not like it. It
might not be "fair". But that's how it is.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com
<mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com>> wrote:


Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.

One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this
industry because Apple is only one company, whereas there are at
least seven or eight companies manufacturing cell phones that are not
Apple.  To say that Apple was making most of the money in this
industry is like saying that Coke is making most of the money in the
pop industry when there are so many other drinks available like
juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.

Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money
compared to Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even
then

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

2017-03-23 Thread Lynn White

CCan someone please tell me how to get into the inbox of Thunderbird without 
having to read their release notes and all that?  I just want to use it like 
you could before the latest update.  Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 23, 2017, at 6:24 AM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> i,
> android, however, at the end of the day, is android. and no matter how much 
> you customise it, no matter how accessible it is, at the end of the day, it's 
> android, and trust me, some of us don't like it. and no, it's not a matter of 
> being able to use it or whether it's accessible.
> 
> Sent from Thunderbird
> 
>> On 23/03/17 1:48 AM, Pablo Cesar Morales wrote:
>> *No, I am not saying that apple is doing something wrong. The Customers
>> are who are doing wrong here. Today accessibility is much better on
>> android devices than on IOs. I have an iPhone, and I have a pixel phone.
>> I leave my iPhone every day at home, and I take my pixel. I have a lot
>> of freedom using a pixel phone, and I love freedom. It is something that
>> I was missing when I was an iPhone user.*
>> 
>> *I am able to install apps in my pixel sitting on my computer using
>> internet explorer. I just go to the google play store, I search for what
>> ever app, and I press enter on install. That is it. The app is installed
>> automaticly in my pixel phone. More over, if I have my pixel phone not
>> with me. Because I forgot my phone in my office. I am able to install
>> apps, or remove apps from my home, just using a regular browser. Not
>> iTunes.*
>> 
>> *If I want to put music in my phone, I just connect my phone, and with
>> copy and paste, I am able to transfer what ever music or video from my
>> computer to my phone, not need to use iTunes for that.*
>> 
>> *If I want to install apps that are not in the play store, I don’t need
>> to do what apple users has to do. I just enable third parties apps in my
>> phone and it is it.*
>> 
>> *I have eloquence install in my pixel, the same voice that is using
>> jaws. I like this voice, it is easier to understand.*
>> 
>> *I have found better accessibility in a lot of apps that in IOs just
>> doesn’t exist or is very low.*
>> 
>> *Android is a platform that is use a lot outside the United States. In
>> United States exist the idea that if you are an android user, it is
>> because you are poor, and if you have an iPhone, then it is because you
>> are nice. Stupid ideas that we developed from those days when iPhones
>> used to be more expensive than android phones. Yes is true that android
>> wasn’t that good before, but today I am an iPhone and android user. I
>> like better android for many many reasons.*
>> 
>> * *
>> 
>> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Alan Lemly
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:11 PM
>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
>> iPhone - Bloomberg
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Pablo,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'm not sure why you think it's wrong for a for-profit company like
>> Apple to want to make money on their products. I guarantee you that any
>> company not operating in this fashion won't be long of this world. And
>> you speak of Android as if it's one company instead of the multitude of
>> companies that make devices that run under Android. If you don't like
>> Apple's closed file system which seems to be working pretty well for
>> them based on their sales and current stock price, you should use an
>> Android device and I hope it meets all your needs. That's the way supply
>> and demand is supposed to work in our economic system.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Alan Lemly
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Pablo Cesar Morales
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:30 PM
>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> *Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
>> iPhone - Bloomberg
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Pixel doesn’t have a sd card slot, but it is not the only android
>> device. Samsung and many other big cellphone brands creates phones with
>> sd cards.
>> 
>> Really the problem with apple is that they want to make money with
>> everything, and they want to handle what you place in your iPhone
>> memory. With the story abour copy rights they have done very difficult
>> for

RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

Yes, but from time to time we just have to have some fun.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Edmonds, Lucy (LARA)
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Could you guys please please take this off the list? This is not helpful to 
anyone, and I thought that is what this list is all about is helping each other 
to learn.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 2:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Sieghard,
Sorry man, but you made me laugh a lot. You said “But Pablo, don’t say it is 
better because it is not.”. Because it is not? why is it not?
Because you said so?
Have you used an android phone with android 7.1 ?
No right?
Ok, I have more knowledge to say that it is better. If you try an android phone 
for months and you come to the list and explain why you believe IOs is better 
than android. I will not laugh, I promise.
But come on man. If I am saying that for me android is better, obviously I am 
saying why I believe than android is better than IOs. It is better because I 
don’t have the software policies that IOs has. More over I have found better 
accessibility in apps that exist in IOs and android. I have found in android a 
lot more flexibility, something that IOs doesn’t know what that means. I have 
found a lot of customization, another word that IOs doesn’t know what that 
means.
Leave the list?
No way, I like to bother you, you know I have nothing else to do during the 
whole day, and during the whole week, during the 365 days of the year. If I 
don’t lieve the list is for three reasons; because I have IOs devices, because 
I train people with IOs, and because I like to bother you.
Again, all of this are my opinions, and I am basing my opinions in my 
experience and expectations.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

I wish I had kept the email you sent me a few months ago when you became active 
on this list again after you left for Android a year or two ago. Anyhow, I 
guess Android must have become amazing in those few months and it sounds as if 
you will once again sell your iPhone and leave this list to join the Android 
side. I’m glad Android and the google Pixel are such good alternatives to iOS 
and the iPhone, without competition nobody would be very motivated to do 
better. But Pablo, don’t say it is better because it is not. It is simply 
different and Android appeals to some people more than iOS and vice versa.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Most don’t make profit?
How a company is going to be in business if they don’t male profit?
It doesn’t make sence. Yes, a lot of people is leaving IOs and are moving to 
android. You should try it, is much better. However I should recommend  that 
don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy a nexus 6p, or a pixel phone. They 
are great.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most of 
the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
don't make a profit.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia 
<victor.gouv...@rogers.com<mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com>> wrote:
Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for just 
that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and rear, 
pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones available 
higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are 
pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six,

RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

Hi Pablo,

I like to bother you just as much and I guess we make each other laugh. So why 
is Android better? Because you say so, right? Yes, you have both devices and 
you think and this is the keyword here “you think” that Android is better. That 
of course means it is better in your opinion, right? As I said, I am sure 
Android by now is very advanced, I am sure the Google Pixel is a very nice 
phone and I’m sure many people prefer Android over iOS. But that doesn’t mean 
iOS is not good and that many people don’t prefer it over Android. I know a 
number of people who have switched from Android to iOS and think it’s way 
better and the same goes the other way around.
Anyways, now you better shut up because you know nothing and I could take you 
any day and with both hands tied behind my back, how do you like that *grin*
Oh, and if the Pixel with Android is so great, why has Apple sold more iPhone 7 
in the first weekend than Google has sold Pixels since they were released?

Best regards and wit great affection
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Sieghard,
Sorry man, but you made me laugh a lot. You said “But Pablo, don’t say it is 
better because it is not.”. Because it is not? why is it not?
Because you said so?
Have you used an android phone with android 7.1 ?
No right?
Ok, I have more knowledge to say that it is better. If you try an android phone 
for months and you come to the list and explain why you believe IOs is better 
than android. I will not laugh, I promise.
But come on man. If I am saying that for me android is better, obviously I am 
saying why I believe than android is better than IOs. It is better because I 
don’t have the software policies that IOs has. More over I have found better 
accessibility in apps that exist in IOs and android. I have found in android a 
lot more flexibility, something that IOs doesn’t know what that means. I have 
found a lot of customization, another word that IOs doesn’t know what that 
means.
Leave the list?
No way, I like to bother you, you know I have nothing else to do during the 
whole day, and during the whole week, during the 365 days of the year. If I 
don’t lieve the list is for three reasons; because I have IOs devices, because 
I train people with IOs, and because I like to bother you.
Again, all of this are my opinions, and I am basing my opinions in my 
experience and expectations.






From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

I wish I had kept the email you sent me a few months ago when you became active 
on this list again after you left for Android a year or two ago. Anyhow, I 
guess Android must have become amazing in those few months and it sounds as if 
you will once again sell your iPhone and leave this list to join the Android 
side. I’m glad Android and the google Pixel are such good alternatives to iOS 
and the iPhone, without competition nobody would be very motivated to do 
better. But Pablo, don’t say it is better because it is not. It is simply 
different and Android appeals to some people more than iOS and vice versa.

Regards,
Sieghard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Most don’t make profit?
How a company is going to be in business if they don’t male profit?
It doesn’t make sence. Yes, a lot of people is leaving IOs and are moving to 
android. You should try it, is much better. However I should recommend  that 
don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy a nexus 6p, or a pixel phone. They 
are great.




From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most of 
the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
don't make a profit.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia 
<victor.gouv...@rogers.com<mailto:victor.gouv...@ro

RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

2017-03-23 Thread Edmonds, Lucy (LARA)

Could you guys please please take this off the list? This is not helpful to 
anyone, and I thought that is what this list is all about is helping each other 
to learn.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 2:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Sieghard,
Sorry man, but you made me laugh a lot. You said “But Pablo, don’t say it is 
better because it is not.”. Because it is not? why is it not?
Because you said so?
Have you used an android phone with android 7.1 ?
No right?
Ok, I have more knowledge to say that it is better. If you try an android phone 
for months and you come to the list and explain why you believe IOs is better 
than android. I will not laugh, I promise.
But come on man. If I am saying that for me android is better, obviously I am 
saying why I believe than android is better than IOs. It is better because I 
don’t have the software policies that IOs has. More over I have found better 
accessibility in apps that exist in IOs and android. I have found in android a 
lot more flexibility, something that IOs doesn’t know what that means. I have 
found a lot of customization, another word that IOs doesn’t know what that 
means.
Leave the list?
No way, I like to bother you, you know I have nothing else to do during the 
whole day, and during the whole week, during the 365 days of the year. If I 
don’t lieve the list is for three reasons; because I have IOs devices, because 
I train people with IOs, and because I like to bother you.
Again, all of this are my opinions, and I am basing my opinions in my 
experience and expectations.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

I wish I had kept the email you sent me a few months ago when you became active 
on this list again after you left for Android a year or two ago. Anyhow, I 
guess Android must have become amazing in those few months and it sounds as if 
you will once again sell your iPhone and leave this list to join the Android 
side. I’m glad Android and the google Pixel are such good alternatives to iOS 
and the iPhone, without competition nobody would be very motivated to do 
better. But Pablo, don’t say it is better because it is not. It is simply 
different and Android appeals to some people more than iOS and vice versa.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Most don’t make profit?
How a company is going to be in business if they don’t male profit?
It doesn’t make sence. Yes, a lot of people is leaving IOs and are moving to 
android. You should try it, is much better. However I should recommend  that 
don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy a nexus 6p, or a pixel phone. They 
are great.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most of 
the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
don't make a profit.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia 
<victor.gouv...@rogers.com<mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com>> wrote:
Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for just 
that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and rear, 
pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones available 
higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are 
pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they 
realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to take pictures, 
I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the 32 gig devices, 
especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the smaller issue.  How many 
phones out there are getting more and more waterproof and dust proof, and they 
don’t seem to have a problem with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS securi

RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

Sieghard,

Sorry man, but you made me laugh a lot. You said “But Pablo, don’t say it is 
better because it is not.”. Because it is not? why is it not?

Because you said so?

Have you used an android phone with android 7.1 ?

No right?

Ok, I have more knowledge to say that it is better. If you try an android phone 
for months and you come to the list and explain why you believe IOs is better 
than android. I will not laugh, I promise.

But come on man. If I am saying that for me android is better, obviously I am 
saying why I believe than android is better than IOs. It is better because I 
don’t have the software policies that IOs has. More over I have found better 
accessibility in apps that exist in IOs and android. I have found in android a 
lot more flexibility, something that IOs doesn’t know what that means. I have 
found a lot of customization, another word that IOs doesn’t know what that 
means. 

Leave the list?

No way, I like to bother you, you know I have nothing else to do during the 
whole day, and during the whole week, during the 365 days of the year. If I 
don’t lieve the list is for three reasons; because I have IOs devices, because 
I train people with IOs, and because I like to bother you.

Again, all of this are my opinions, and I am basing my opinions in my 
experience and expectations.

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

I wish I had kept the email you sent me a few months ago when you became active 
on this list again after you left for Android a year or two ago. Anyhow, I 
guess Android must have become amazing in those few months and it sounds as if 
you will once again sell your iPhone and leave this list to join the Android 
side. I’m glad Android and the google Pixel are such good alternatives to iOS 
and the iPhone, without competition nobody would be very motivated to do 
better. But Pablo, don’t say it is better because it is not. It is simply 
different and Android appeals to some people more than iOS and vice versa.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Most don’t make profit?

How a company is going to be in business if they don’t male profit?

It doesn’t make sence. Yes, a lot of people is leaving IOs and are moving to 
android. You should try it, is much better. However I should recommend  that 
don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy a nexus 6p, or a pixel phone. They 
are great.

 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most of 
the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
don't make a profit.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com 
<mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com> > wrote:

Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for just 
that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and rear, 
pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones available 
higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are 
pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they 
realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to take pictures, 
I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the 32 gig devices, 
especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the smaller issue.  How many 
phones out there are getting more and more waterproof and dust proof, and they 
don’t seem to have a problem with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security 
could be plugged to avoid that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is 
guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced to get their content from 
iTunes and App store.  Open up the file system and you’re looking at an easier 
way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t have that.  Regardless, I do think that 
Apple should open their eyes when it comes to expansion, if only to make it 
easier to connect to a portable solution, lest

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

2017-03-23 Thread Mary Otten

If you have an old iPad, such as an iPad two or three or even an iPad air the 
original air, and you don't want to lay out the big bucks for an iPad Pro which 
is still rumored to be coming later this year, that's the advantage of buying 
this one. It's cheaper. If it satisfies you and you don't have or want to pay 
the big bucks, you can still get an Apple tablet for a "cheap price".
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 23, 2017, at 9:07 AM, Cris Ali  wrote:
> 
> I have no interest in the apple versus android comparison.  What I find 
> interesting though is that the new iPad is even weaker than the iPad pro  9.7 
> inch which was released last spring.  The iPad pro 9.7 of last year has 5 MB 
> front facing Camera and 12 MB back Camera.  The new one has 1.2 MB front 
> facing, and 8 MB back Camera.  They both has the same A9 processor and they 
> have similar storage options.  It also seems that the new model is slightly 
> heavier. So the question is then:  What is the advantage of buying the new 
> iPad other than the fact it is slightly cheaper?
> Did any of you find any other advantages for buying the new iPad?
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Cris
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Marissa Solaun
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
> Bloomberg
>  
> May be of interest to those seeking a red iPhone 7/7+
> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-21/apple-introduces-cheapest-ipad-yet-special-edition-red-iphone
> 
> Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone
> More stories by Alex Webb
> Apple Inc. introduced a revamped version of its most popular-sized iPad at 
> the cheapest price yet, and a shiny red iPhone 7, whose sales will help to 
> combat AIDS.
> 
> Apple unveiled a new 9.7-inch iPad with a brighter Retina display starting at 
> $329, and a special edition red-aluminum finish iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus, 
> part of the company’s decade-long partnership with (RED), which contributes 
> to the Global Fund to fight HIV and AIDS.
> 
> “Since we began working with (RED) 10 years ago, our customers have made a 
> significant impact in fighting the spread of AIDS through the purchase of our 
> products, from the original iPod nano (PRODUCT)RED Special Edition all the 
> way to today’s lineup of Beats products and accessories for iPhone, iPad and 
> Apple Watch,” Apple Chief Executive Officer Tim Cook said in a statement 
> Tuesday.
> 
> Apple is the world’s largest corporate donor to the Global Fund, contributing 
> more than $130 million, the company said.
> 
> Apple is expected to reveal a significant upgrade to the iPhone later this 
> year.
> Cupertino, California-based Apple last year unveiled a new iPhone which 
> reignited sales growth in the Christmas quarter after a year of declines. 
> Those falling sales came even as Apple introduced a cheaper handset in March 
> in an effort to spur growth in emerging markets. The only sales growth in the 
> 2016 fiscal year came from the services business, which includes Apple Music 
> and the App Store, and the other products category.
> 
> Apple shares rose less than one percent to $142.55 at 10:24 a.m. in New York. 
> Earlier they hit a new intraday high of $142.80.
> 
> 
> The new iPad starts at $329 for 32GB with Wi-Fi and $459 for 32GB Wi-Fi plus 
> cellular. It will be available to order starting March 24 in the U.S. and 
> more than 20 other countries and regions. The iPhone (RED) models will be 
> available in 128GB and 256GB models starting at $749 from March 24. Apple 
> also announced new storage capacity for the iPhone SE. That 4-inch display 
> model will now be available in 32GB and 128GB models, doubling the current 
> capacity and replacing the previous models.
> 
> Other product launches Tuesday include a new app called Clips, that helps 
> people combine video clips, photos and music that can be shared through 
> social media and messages. Apple also said its Swift Playgrounds iPad app, 
> which helps students learn to code, is available in five additional 
> languages: Japanese, French, German, Spanish and simplified Chinese.
> 
> Watch Next: Apple's Tim Cook Is Betting on Augmented Reality
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

I wish I had kept the email you sent me a few months ago when you became active 
on this list again after you left for Android a year or two ago. Anyhow, I 
guess Android must have become amazing in those few months and it sounds as if 
you will once again sell your iPhone and leave this list to join the Android 
side. I’m glad Android and the google Pixel are such good alternatives to iOS 
and the iPhone, without competition nobody would be very motivated to do 
better. But Pablo, don’t say it is better because it is not. It is simply 
different and Android appeals to some people more than iOS and vice versa.

Regards,
Sieghard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Most don’t make profit?
How a company is going to be in business if they don’t male profit?
It doesn’t make sence. Yes, a lot of people is leaving IOs and are moving to 
android. You should try it, is much better. However I should recommend  that 
don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy a nexus 6p, or a pixel phone. They 
are great.




From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most of 
the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
don't make a profit.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia 
<victor.gouv...@rogers.com<mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com>> wrote:
Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for just 
that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and rear, 
pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones available 
higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are 
pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they 
realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to take pictures, 
I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the 32 gig devices, 
especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the smaller issue.  How many 
phones out there are getting more and more waterproof and dust proof, and they 
don’t seem to have a problem with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security 
could be plugged to avoid that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is 
guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced to get their content from 
iTunes and App store.  Open up the file system and you’re looking at an easier 
way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t have that.  Regardless, I do think that 
Apple should open their eyes when it comes to expansion, if only to make it 
easier to connect to a portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold 
when the Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a 
thought.

Victor

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Hi Victor,

I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD card 
expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card then the 
OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more accurate to say 
that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the SD card and that 
would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform. Any SD 
card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce a lot of latency in how 
fast things get loaded and I think this all goes against what Apple wants to 
achieve. I think actually that even some high-end Android phones are moving 
away from that, but I might be wrong, just something I heard. Does the Google 
Pixel for example have an SD card slot? Lastly, having such an expansion slot 
on an iPad is one thing because there is probably plenty of space, but having 
it on an iPhone is most likely not very practical as there hardly is any space 
left as is and of course making a highly waterproof or water resistant device 
would probably be much more difficult if the device had an SD card slot 
Personally I have no problem with Apple offering internal memory, I totally 
agree that nowadays 16 Gb doesn’t get you far, but I wonder how many people 
still buy 16 Gb devices if they can get a 64 Gb device (4 times the space) for 
$100 more.

Re

RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

Mary is correct, there are of course way more Android devices out there, but if 
you look at the smartphone industry in terms of profits Apple totally dominates 
because they make expensive devices with high profit margins. Saying there are 
other drinks out there other than Coke is true, but that would be like 
comparing the smartphone market to the market which includes TV’s, appliances, 
computer screens and so on. Yes, Samsung and LG are huge corporations which 
make everything from washers to laptops and smartphones, bluetooth headsets to 
screens, but Apple is not the richest and most valueable company in the world 
for nothing.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 2:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Victor, every few months their articles coming out telling how much of the 
phone market which company has in terms of profits. Year after year, Apple 
makes the vast majority of profits in the phone market. You might not like it. 
But it's true. There's a whole lot of the technical press that is all over 
articles every time some company gains a little bit of marketshare. Waymore 
phones have android on them then there are iPhones. And that makes exactly no 
difference, because the vast majority of the actual money being made is being 
made by Apple on phones, not any of the other companies. Samsung makes a bunch 
of money. They make some profit on phones. They also make a ton of money in 
other industries. All those cheap phones that all those folks are making our 
nonprofit producers. Again, you might not like it. It might not be "fair". But 
that's how it is.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Victor Gouveia 
<victor.gouv...@rogers.com<mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com>> wrote:
Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.

One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this industry because 
Apple is only one company, whereas there are at least seven or eight companies 
manufacturing cell phones that are not Apple.  To say that Apple was making 
most of the money in this industry is like saying that Coke is making most of 
the money in the pop industry when there are so many other drinks available 
like juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.

Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money compared to 
Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even then your statement 
would be wrong as these two companies alone make thousands of products Apple 
does not, so please, check your facts before your tout them as facts.

Victor

From: Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most of 
the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
don't make a profit.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia 
<victor.gouv...@rogers.com<mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com>> wrote:
Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for just 
that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and rear, 
pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones available 
higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are 
pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they 
realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to take pictures, 
I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the 32 gig devices, 
especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the smaller issue.  How many 
phones out there are getting more and more waterproof and dust proof, and they 
don’t seem to have a problem with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security 
could be plugged to avoid that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is 
guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced to get their content from 
iTunes and App store.  Open up the file system and you’re looking at an easier 
way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t have that  Regardless, I do think that 
Apple should open their eyes when it comes to expansion, if only to make it 
easier to connect to a portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold 
when the Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a 
thought.

Victor

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edi

RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

Hi Alan,

Well said, Apple has a totally different business model as it relies on its 
hardware and services to make money. Google makes its money from advertising, 
but of course now that Alphabet Inc. which owns Google and a multitude of other 
companies has been set up, it is even more complicated. The fact is that 
Android is a platform which manufacturers can use and customize and impose 
their own UI elements on, there are hundreds and hundreds of manufacturers who 
make Android devices and there is one company which makes Apple devices with 
iOS. I always hear how users are running from Apple to Android because of all 
that fantastic flexibility and freedom Android offers, yet while apple 
experienced less growth about a year ago, the iPhone 7/7 Plus again were hugely 
successful and just as people leave iOS to try Android, the opposite is also 
true. I really think we should stop making every argument for or against one or 
the other a competition as to what is better. The fct is that both platforms 
are good, both are very mature by now, you can get beautiful devices from Apple 
and you can get beautiful Android phones. Everybody decides what they want and 
you are totally correct that Apple should make as much money as they can which 
of course is what they do. They are a publically traded company and they have 
an obligation towards their shareholders to make money. Pablo left the iPhone 
behind a couple or 3 years ago because he thought Android was so much better. 
When he came back to the list having just bought an iPhone 7 I think he said 
himself how Android had all this flexibility but that it also had its issues. I 
personally can’t justify owning two high-end smartphones and maintaining two 
cell phone plans and while Apple sometimes totally screws up, I do for the most 
part like their devices and ecosystem and so far have not felt the need to try 
Android.
At the same time I am perfectly happy with my Windows computers and what 
Microsoft has been doing with Windows 10, I like Jaws and know it inside out 
and therefore don’t feel any urge to try Apple computers.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Pablo,

I'm not sure why you think it's wrong for a for-profit company like Apple to 
want to make money on their products. I guarantee you that any company not 
operating in this fashion won't be long of this world. And you speak of Android 
as if it's one company instead of the multitude of companies that make devices 
that run under Android. If you don't like Apple's closed file system which 
seems to be working pretty well for them based on their sales and current stock 
price, you should use an Android device and I hope it meets all your needs. 
That's the way supply and demand is supposed to work in our economic system.

Alan Lemly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Pixel doesn’t have a sd card slot, but it is not the only android device. 
Samsung and many other big cellphone brands creates phones with sd cards.
Really the problem with apple is that they want to make money with everything, 
and they want to handle what you place in your iPhone memory. With the story 
abour copy rights they have done very difficult for users manage music between 
iPhones, or also between iPhone and other devices. Yes, we can use iTunes to 
transfer music to our iPhones, but use this app is really difficult for 
standard users. More over in android devices you can store there documents of 
all types, you can create folders and subfolders in the same way how we do in 
our computers. In iPhones the story is different. It is one of the reasons why 
I bought an android device. Android and IOs have different politics and 
different cultures. Apple’s culture is money, money and more money. Android’s 
culture is share, share and share again. Apple wants to control so much what we 
do in our devices. Android gives freedom to do what ever you want, and more 
important, in a very easy way.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Hi Victor,

I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD card 
expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card then

RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

2017-03-23 Thread Cris Ali

I have no interest in the apple versus android comparison.  What I find 
interesting though is that the new iPad is even weaker than the iPad pro  9.7 
inch which was released last spring.  The iPad pro 9.7 of last year has 5 MB 
front facing Camera and 12 MB back Camera.  The new one has 1.2 MB front 
facing, and 8 MB back Camera.  They both has the same A9 processor and they 
have similar storage options.  It also seems that the new model is slightly 
heavier. So the question is then:  What is the advantage of buying the new iPad 
other than the fact it is slightly cheaper?
Did any of you find any other advantages for buying the new iPad?

Regards,

Cris

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Marissa Solaun
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

May be of interest to those seeking a red iPhone 7/7+
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RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

Gerardo,
I disagree. I have found better accessibility on android apps, and in all areas 
of android than what I have found in IOs apps and IOs. I also use both 
platforms. I have several examples of apps on android that provide better 
accessibility than what I have found in IOs. IOs is more limited, and it makes 
more simple the use of phone and apps, but simplicity doesn't mean better. 
Ability to get information, is what I call accessibility. 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 10:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Apple is the vest in accessibility still. Android still has some ways to go. 
I'm speaking from the persective of having both platforms of course.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone 5S

> El 23/03/2017, a las 7:12 a.m., Dave <dave.beckett...@gmail.com> escribió:
> 
> who cares! for god sake, use which ever phone you want, and get on with it!
> 
> Now please give it a rest!!
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: rajmund
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:26 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red 
> iPhone - Bloomberg
> 
> and here we go.isn't the high end android the same price as an apple, 
> anyway?
> 
> Sent from Thunderbird
> 
>> On 23/03/17 1:51 AM, Pablo Cesar Morales wrote:
>> Most don’t make profit?
>> 
>> How a company is going to be in business if they don’t male profit?
>> 
>> It doesn’t make sence. Yes, a lot of people is leaving IOs and are 
>> moving to android. You should try it, is much better. However I 
>> should recommend  that don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy a 
>> nexus 6p, or a pixel phone. They are great.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
>> Behalf Of *Mary Otten
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:59 PM
>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition 
>> Red iPhone - Bloomberg
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making 
>> most of the money in this industry. There are many people who make 
>> android devices. Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in 
>> business forever if they don't make a profit.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia 
>> <victor.gouv...@rogers.com <mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS
>>reliability and phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away
>>from Apple devices for just that reason.  With the added advances in
>>the camera, both front and rear, pictures will get larger, and I
>>don’t even think there are phones available higher than the five
>>that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are pushing it.
>>When they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they
>>realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to take
>>pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the
>>32 gig devices, especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the
>>smaller issue.  How many phones out there are getting more and more
>>waterproof and dust proof, and they don’t seem to have a problem
>>with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security could be plugged
>>to avoid that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is
>>guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced to get their
>>content from iTunes and App store.  Open up the file system and
>>you’re looking at an easier way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t
>>have that.  Regardless, I do think that Apple should open their eyes
>>when it comes to expansion, if only to make it easier to connect to
>>    a portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold when the
>>Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a
>>thought.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>Victor
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>*From:*Sieghard Weitzel
>> 
>>*Sent:*Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
>> 
>>*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> 
>>*Subject:*RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition
>>Red iPhone - B

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

2017-03-23 Thread Gerardo Corripio

Apple is the vest in accessibility still. Android still has some ways to go. 
I'm speaking from the persective of having both platforms of course.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone 5S

> El 23/03/2017, a las 7:12 a.m., Dave <dave.beckett...@gmail.com> escribió:
> 
> who cares! for god sake, use which ever phone you want, and get on with it!
> 
> Now please give it a rest!!
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: rajmund
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:26 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
> Bloomberg
> 
> and here we go.isn't the high end android the same price as an apple,
> anyway?
> 
> Sent from Thunderbird
> 
>> On 23/03/17 1:51 AM, Pablo Cesar Morales wrote:
>> Most don’t make profit?
>> 
>> How a company is going to be in business if they don’t male profit?
>> 
>> It doesn’t make sence. Yes, a lot of people is leaving IOs and are
>> moving to android. You should try it, is much better. However I should
>> recommend  that don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy a nexus 6p,
>> or a pixel phone. They are great.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Mary Otten
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:59 PM
>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
>> iPhone - Bloomberg
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making
>> most of the money in this industry. There are many people who make
>> android devices. Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in
>> business forever if they don't make a profit.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com
>> <mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS
>>reliability and phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away
>>from Apple devices for just that reason.  With the added advances in
>>the camera, both front and rear, pictures will get larger, and I
>>don’t even think there are phones available higher than the five
>>that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are pushing it.
>>When they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they
>>realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to take
>>pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the
>>32 gig devices, especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the
>>smaller issue.  How many phones out there are getting more and more
>>waterproof and dust proof, and they don’t seem to have a problem
>>with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security could be plugged
>>to avoid that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is
>>guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced to get their
>>content from iTunes and App store.  Open up the file system and
>>you’re looking at an easier way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t
>>have that.  Regardless, I do think that Apple should open their eyes
>>when it comes to expansion, if only to make it easier to connect to
>>    a portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold when the
>>Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a
>>thought.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>Victor
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>*From:*Sieghard Weitzel
>> 
>>*Sent:*Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
>> 
>>*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> 
>>*Subject:*RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition
>>Red iPhone - Bloomberg
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>Hi Victor,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and
>>offer SD card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce
>>media on an SD card then the OS must have access to the folders or
>>maybe it would be more accurate to say that Apple would have to give
>>users access to what is on the SD card and that would possibly
>>defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform. Any SD
>>card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce a lot of
>>latency in how fast things get loaded and I think this all goes
>>against what Apple wants to

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

2017-03-23 Thread Dave

apples and bananas for tea.

-Original Message- 
From: Pablo Cesar Morales

Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red 
iPhone - Bloomberg

Yes, you are right. Like Christopher said before. Everything depends of 
likes. Some people like apple, some people like android. I used iPhone for 
several years, and for several years I have been complaining about apple 
software policies. Now with android I don't have those problems, so of 
course  I am happy using android more than IOs. However people who are 
comfortable using apple software policies , they don't see any advantage 
using android. But those are likes. I like apple because it was the first 
smart device that I used. However some situations that aggravated me that 
probably doesn't aggravate you or other users, moved me to android. But you, 
me and everyone are different.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of rajmund

Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 7:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red 
iPhone - Bloomberg

i,
android, however, at the end of the day, is android. and no matter how much 
you customise it, no matter how accessible it is, at the end of the day, 
it's android, and trust me, some of us don't like it. and no, it's not a 
matter of being able to use it or whether it's accessible.

Sent from Thunderbird

On 23/03/17 1:48 AM, Pablo Cesar Morales wrote:

*No, I am not saying that apple is doing something wrong. The
Customers are who are doing wrong here. Today accessibility is much
better on android devices than on IOs. I have an iPhone, and I have a 
pixel phone.

I leave my iPhone every day at home, and I take my pixel. I have a lot
of freedom using a pixel phone, and I love freedom. It is something
that I was missing when I was an iPhone user.*

*I am able to install apps in my pixel sitting on my computer using
internet explorer. I just go to the google play store, I search for
what ever app, and I press enter on install. That is it. The app is
installed automaticly in my pixel phone. More over, if I have my pixel
phone not with me. Because I forgot my phone in my office. I am able
to install apps, or remove apps from my home, just using a regular
browser. Not
iTunes.*

*If I want to put music in my phone, I just connect my phone, and with
copy and paste, I am able to transfer what ever music or video from my
computer to my phone, not need to use iTunes for that.*

*If I want to install apps that are not in the play store, I don’t
need to do what apple users has to do. I just enable third parties
apps in my phone and it is it.*

*I have eloquence install in my pixel, the same voice that is using
jaws. I like this voice, it is easier to understand.*

*I have found better accessibility in a lot of apps that in IOs just
doesn’t exist or is very low.*

*Android is a platform that is use a lot outside the United States. In
United States exist the idea that if you are an android user, it is
because you are poor, and if you have an iPhone, then it is because
you are nice. Stupid ideas that we developed from those days when
iPhones used to be more expensive than android phones. Yes is true
that android wasn’t that good before, but today I am an iPhone and
android user. I like better android for many many reasons.*

* *

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Alan Lemly
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:11 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg

Pablo,

I'm not sure why you think it's wrong for a for-profit company like
Apple to want to make money on their products. I guarantee you that
any company not operating in this fashion won't be long of this world.
And you speak of Android as if it's one company instead of the
multitude of companies that make devices that run under Android. If
you don't like Apple's closed file system which seems to be working
pretty well for them based on their sales and current stock price, you
should use an Android device and I hope it meets all your needs.
That's the way supply and demand is supposed to work in our economic 
system.

Alan Lemly

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Pablo Cesar Morales
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:30 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg

Pixel doesn’t have a sd card slot, but it is not the only android
device. Samsung and many other big cellphone brands creates phones
with sd cards.

Really the problem with apple is that they want to make money with
everything, and they want to handle what you p

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

2017-03-23 Thread Dave


who cares! for god sake, use which ever phone you want, and get on with it!

Now please give it a rest!!

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: rajmund

Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red 
iPhone - Bloomberg


and here we go.isn't the high end android the same price as an apple,
anyway?

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On 23/03/17 1:51 AM, Pablo Cesar Morales wrote:

Most don’t make profit?

How a company is going to be in business if they don’t male profit?

It doesn’t make sence. Yes, a lot of people is leaving IOs and are
moving to android. You should try it, is much better. However I should
recommend  that don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy a nexus 6p,
or a pixel phone. They are great.









*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:59 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg



Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making
most of the money in this industry. There are many people who make
android devices. Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in
business forever if they don't make a profit.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com
<mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com>> wrote:

Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS
reliability and phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away
from Apple devices for just that reason.  With the added advances in
the camera, both front and rear, pictures will get larger, and I
don’t even think there are phones available higher than the five
that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are pushing it.
When they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they
realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to take
pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the
32 gig devices, especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the
smaller issue.  How many phones out there are getting more and more
waterproof and dust proof, and they don’t seem to have a problem
with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security could be plugged
to avoid that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is
guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced to get their
content from iTunes and App store.  Open up the file system and
you’re looking at an easier way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t
have that.  Regardless, I do think that Apple should open their eyes
when it comes to expansion, if only to make it easier to connect to
a portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold when the
Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a
thought.



Victor



*From:*Sieghard Weitzel

*Sent:*Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM

*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

*Subject:*RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition
Red iPhone - Bloomberg



Hi Victor,



I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and
offer SD card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce
media on an SD card then the OS must have access to the folders or
maybe it would be more accurate to say that Apple would have to give
users access to what is on the SD card and that would possibly
defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform. Any SD
card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce a lot of
latency in how fast things get loaded and I think this all goes
against what Apple wants to achieve. I think actually that even some
high-end Android phones are moving away from that, but I might be
wrong, just something I heard. Does the Google Pixel for example
have an SD card slot? Lastly, having such an expansion slot on an
iPad is one thing because there is probably plenty of space, but
having it on an iPhone is most likely not very practical as there
hardly is any space left as is and of course making a highly
waterproof or water resistant device would probably be much more
difficult if the device had an SD card slot Personally I have no
problem with Apple offering internal memory, I totally agree that
nowadays 16 Gb doesn’t get you far, but I wonder how many people
still buy 16 Gb devices if they can get a 64 Gb device (4 times the
space) for $100 more.



Regards,

Sieghard



*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Victor Gouveia
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:56 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Apple Introdu

RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

Yes, you are right. Like Christopher said before. Everything depends of likes. 
Some people like apple, some people like android. I used iPhone for several 
years, and for several years I have been complaining about apple software 
policies. Now with android I don't have those problems, so of course  I am 
happy using android more than IOs. However people who are comfortable using 
apple software policies , they don't see any advantage using android. But those 
are likes. I like apple because it was the first smart device that I used. 
However some situations that aggravated me that probably doesn't aggravate you 
or other users, moved me to android. But you, me and everyone are different.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
rajmund
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 7:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

i,
android, however, at the end of the day, is android. and no matter how much you 
customise it, no matter how accessible it is, at the end of the day, it's 
android, and trust me, some of us don't like it. and no, it's not a matter of 
being able to use it or whether it's accessible.

Sent from Thunderbird

On 23/03/17 1:48 AM, Pablo Cesar Morales wrote:
> *No, I am not saying that apple is doing something wrong. The 
> Customers are who are doing wrong here. Today accessibility is much 
> better on android devices than on IOs. I have an iPhone, and I have a pixel 
> phone.
> I leave my iPhone every day at home, and I take my pixel. I have a lot 
> of freedom using a pixel phone, and I love freedom. It is something 
> that I was missing when I was an iPhone user.*
>
> *I am able to install apps in my pixel sitting on my computer using 
> internet explorer. I just go to the google play store, I search for 
> what ever app, and I press enter on install. That is it. The app is 
> installed automaticly in my pixel phone. More over, if I have my pixel 
> phone not with me. Because I forgot my phone in my office. I am able 
> to install apps, or remove apps from my home, just using a regular 
> browser. Not
> iTunes.*
>
> *If I want to put music in my phone, I just connect my phone, and with 
> copy and paste, I am able to transfer what ever music or video from my 
> computer to my phone, not need to use iTunes for that.*
>
> *If I want to install apps that are not in the play store, I don’t 
> need to do what apple users has to do. I just enable third parties 
> apps in my phone and it is it.*
>
> *I have eloquence install in my pixel, the same voice that is using 
> jaws. I like this voice, it is easier to understand.*
>
> *I have found better accessibility in a lot of apps that in IOs just 
> doesn’t exist or is very low.*
>
> *Android is a platform that is use a lot outside the United States. In 
> United States exist the idea that if you are an android user, it is 
> because you are poor, and if you have an iPhone, then it is because 
> you are nice. Stupid ideas that we developed from those days when 
> iPhones used to be more expensive than android phones. Yes is true 
> that android wasn’t that good before, but today I am an iPhone and 
> android user. I like better android for many many reasons.*
>
> * *
>
> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
> Behalf Of *Alan Lemly
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:11 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red 
> iPhone - Bloomberg
>
>
>
> Pablo,
>
>
>
> I'm not sure why you think it's wrong for a for-profit company like 
> Apple to want to make money on their products. I guarantee you that 
> any company not operating in this fashion won't be long of this world. 
> And you speak of Android as if it's one company instead of the 
> multitude of companies that make devices that run under Android. If 
> you don't like Apple's closed file system which seems to be working 
> pretty well for them based on their sales and current stock price, you 
> should use an Android device and I hope it meets all your needs. 
> That's the way supply and demand is supposed to work in our economic system.
>
>
>
> Alan Lemly
>
>
>
> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
> Behalf Of *Pablo Cesar Morales
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:30 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red 
> iPhone - Bloomberg
>
>
>
> Pixel doesn’t have a sd card slot, but it is not the only android 
> device. Samsung and many

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

and here we go.isn't the high end android the same price as an apple, 
anyway?


Sent from Thunderbird

On 23/03/17 1:51 AM, Pablo Cesar Morales wrote:

Most don’t make profit?

How a company is going to be in business if they don’t male profit?

It doesn’t make sence. Yes, a lot of people is leaving IOs and are
moving to android. You should try it, is much better. However I should
recommend  that don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy a nexus 6p,
or a pixel phone. They are great.









*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:59 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg



Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making
most of the money in this industry. There are many people who make
android devices. Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in
business forever if they don't make a profit.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com
<mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com>> wrote:

Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS
reliability and phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away
from Apple devices for just that reason.  With the added advances in
the camera, both front and rear, pictures will get larger, and I
don’t even think there are phones available higher than the five
that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are pushing it.
When they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they
realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to take
pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the
32 gig devices, especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the
smaller issue.  How many phones out there are getting more and more
waterproof and dust proof, and they don’t seem to have a problem
with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security could be plugged
to avoid that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is
guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced to get their
content from iTunes and App store.  Open up the file system and
you’re looking at an easier way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t
have that.  Regardless, I do think that Apple should open their eyes
when it comes to expansion, if only to make it easier to connect to
a portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold when the
Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a
thought.



Victor



*From:*Sieghard Weitzel

*Sent:*Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM

*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

*Subject:*RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition
Red iPhone - Bloomberg



Hi Victor,



I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and
offer SD card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce
media on an SD card then the OS must have access to the folders or
maybe it would be more accurate to say that Apple would have to give
users access to what is on the SD card and that would possibly
defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform. Any SD
card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce a lot of
latency in how fast things get loaded and I think this all goes
against what Apple wants to achieve. I think actually that even some
high-end Android phones are moving away from that, but I might be
wrong, just something I heard. Does the Google Pixel for example
have an SD card slot? Lastly, having such an expansion slot on an
iPad is one thing because there is probably plenty of space, but
having it on an iPhone is most likely not very practical as there
hardly is any space left as is and of course making a highly
waterproof or water resistant device would probably be much more
difficult if the device had an SD card slot Personally I have no
problem with Apple offering internal memory, I totally agree that
nowadays 16 Gb doesn’t get you far, but I wonder how many people
still buy 16 Gb devices if they can get a 64 Gb device (4 times the
space) for $100 more.



Regards,

Sieghard



*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Victor Gouveia
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:56 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition
Red iPhone - Bloomberg



I don’t agree.  Granted, the 300 dollar price tag is nice, but not
with the memory it’s offering.



I think the 32 and 16 models of any device is outdated, unless it’s
got an expansion slot for an SD card.



Frankly, I’m complete

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg


i,
android, however, at the end of the day, is android. and no matter how 
much you customise it, no matter how accessible it is, at the end of the 
day, it's android, and trust me, some of us don't like it. and no, it's 
not a matter of being able to use it or whether it's accessible.


Sent from Thunderbird

On 23/03/17 1:48 AM, Pablo Cesar Morales wrote:

*No, I am not saying that apple is doing something wrong. The Customers
are who are doing wrong here. Today accessibility is much better on
android devices than on IOs. I have an iPhone, and I have a pixel phone.
I leave my iPhone every day at home, and I take my pixel. I have a lot
of freedom using a pixel phone, and I love freedom. It is something that
I was missing when I was an iPhone user.*

*I am able to install apps in my pixel sitting on my computer using
internet explorer. I just go to the google play store, I search for what
ever app, and I press enter on install. That is it. The app is installed
automaticly in my pixel phone. More over, if I have my pixel phone not
with me. Because I forgot my phone in my office. I am able to install
apps, or remove apps from my home, just using a regular browser. Not
iTunes.*

*If I want to put music in my phone, I just connect my phone, and with
copy and paste, I am able to transfer what ever music or video from my
computer to my phone, not need to use iTunes for that.*

*If I want to install apps that are not in the play store, I don’t need
to do what apple users has to do. I just enable third parties apps in my
phone and it is it.*

*I have eloquence install in my pixel, the same voice that is using
jaws. I like this voice, it is easier to understand.*

*I have found better accessibility in a lot of apps that in IOs just
doesn’t exist or is very low.*

*Android is a platform that is use a lot outside the United States. In
United States exist the idea that if you are an android user, it is
because you are poor, and if you have an iPhone, then it is because you
are nice. Stupid ideas that we developed from those days when iPhones
used to be more expensive than android phones. Yes is true that android
wasn’t that good before, but today I am an iPhone and android user. I
like better android for many many reasons.*

* *

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Alan Lemly
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:11 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg



Pablo,



I'm not sure why you think it's wrong for a for-profit company like
Apple to want to make money on their products. I guarantee you that any
company not operating in this fashion won't be long of this world. And
you speak of Android as if it's one company instead of the multitude of
companies that make devices that run under Android. If you don't like
Apple's closed file system which seems to be working pretty well for
them based on their sales and current stock price, you should use an
Android device and I hope it meets all your needs. That's the way supply
and demand is supposed to work in our economic system.



Alan Lemly



*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Pablo Cesar Morales
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:30 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg



Pixel doesn’t have a sd card slot, but it is not the only android
device. Samsung and many other big cellphone brands creates phones with
sd cards.

Really the problem with apple is that they want to make money with
everything, and they want to handle what you place in your iPhone
memory. With the story abour copy rights they have done very difficult
for users manage music between iPhones, or also between iPhone and other
devices. Yes, we can use iTunes to transfer music to our iPhones, but
use this app is really difficult for standard users. More over in
android devices you can store there documents of all types, you can
create folders and subfolders in the same way how we do in our
computers. In iPhones the story is different. It is one of the reasons
why I bought an android device. Android and IOs have different politics
and different cultures. Apple’s culture is money, money and more money.
Android’s culture is share, share and share again. Apple wants to
control so much what we do in our devices. Android gives freedom to do
what ever you want, and more important, in a very easy way.





*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:48 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg



Hi Victor,



I am not sure if Apple

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

2017-03-23 Thread Robert Doc Wright

How about a comparison between Apple and Android in the field of 
functionality.
- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" <motte...@gmail.com>

To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red 
iPhone - Bloomberg

I don't know if Apple is the most profitable company in the world. Maybe 
they are. And market sure in the long run is not totally irrelevant. But 
divorced from profit, marketshare is a relevant. And so much of the android 
fan base out there seems to think that marketshare trumps all and the 
profitability is a relevant. They're always these fans of my articles out 
there trumpeting the end of Apple. And it hasn't happened yet. As long as 
Apple can keep Bies happy and keep growing the base to the extent that it 
needs to order to keep its profits up there and it's stock price up there, 
it will do great. And it really doesn't matter in terms of marketshare 
worldwide, how much that is. That's all I'm saying. Obviously, if you're 
trying to sell a product and nobody wants to buy it, you're done. But the 
issue here between android and Apple has always been market share. The 
android fan voice say, look how small apples worldwide market share is. But 
it doesn't matter, as long as the people who like apple keep buying it and 
making apple big bunches of money, and as long as there are new people 
coming into the system who think Apple's products are worth the high prices 
they charge. That means Apple App Store profits are up, developers are 
happy, and life goes on. In that sense, marketshare is not relevant.

Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2017, at 8:27 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

I can't understand how you say market share has nothing to do with Apple's 
profits. If they had no market share they wouldn't be selling any phones.

I'm not sure why we're arguing about Apple's profitability though. They 
are a very profitable company. I don't think this means they can ignore 
market share though or stop listening to their customers. I will say 
though that they must be doing a lot of things right, and they aren't 
going to stray from their core principles that made them the wealthiest 
company in the world.

On 22/03/17 21:22, Mary Otten wrote:
For all those of you who apparently don't bother to read the technical
press, the great majority of apples profit comes from the iPhone. It's
that simple. And for those of you who say I should try android, I have.
In fact, I own to android devices, a Nexus six and an axon seven mini.
Before that, I had a Nexus seven. I would love to find a device that is
cheaper than an iPhone that does as well for me as an iPhone, because I
am like everybody else in that I like to save money there are things
about the Apple system that I do not appreciate, one of them being the
fact that is rather a pain to transfer files to and from an iPhone. On
the other hand, as someone who has a Mac, I offer you the observation
that transferring files between android devices and Mac is not a piece
of cake. So, grass is not always greener on that side of the fence 
either.

Also, the top-of-the-line android phones, such as those from Samsung on
the top in and the Google pixel are very comparable if not more
expensive than iPhones. As such, I would want those devices to be kept
up-to-date quickly for several years, as is the case with an iPhone. My
Nexus six which is I believe, the same vintage as an iPhone 6, has yet
to receive an update to the latest operating system. And it's not going
to get anymore. The iPhone 6 on the other hand, God it's update right
along with all other Apple iPhones. That is a huge drawback to Android,
and Google knows it. They're taking steps to fix it, but I remain
skeptical as to how successful they might be. I'm not saying android is
bad. And I think it's great that there are phones in many price ranges.
But what I am saying is that it is a simple matter of provable fact as
acknowledge in the technical and financial press that Apple makes the
vast majority of profit in the smart phone industry. You can love it or
leave it but you can't change it. And marketshare has absolutely nothing
to do with it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Pablo Cesar Morales <pablocmd2...@gmail.com
<mailto:pablocmd2...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Most don’t make profit?

How a company is going to be in business if they don’t male profit?

It doesn’t make sence. Yes, a lot of people is leaving IOs and are
moving to android. You should try it, is much better. However I should
recommend  that don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy a nexus
6p, or a pixel phone. They are great.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary O

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

2017-03-23 Thread Robert Doc Wright

What is surprising to me is how Microsoft is falling by the way side in this 
field.
  - Original Message - 
  From: John Panarese 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:56 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Actually, she’s right. Apple, by far, makes the greatest profits over any 
other cell phone maker. It’s not even close. This information can be found all 
over the place.

 As for your opinion on Android, it’s also completely off. iOS is a much 
better and more intelligent platform than Android. I’ve used Android and it was 
not impressive at all. And this was on a Google device with a straight forward 
version of Android. 

  Take Care

  John D. Panarese
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On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:53 PM, Pablo Cesar Morales <pablocmd2...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Sorry, tbut it is not what I see in the industry. Apple makes a lot of 
money with another products. Apple is not just making iPhones. So we should use 
the same rule that you used with Samsung.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone 
- Bloomberg

Victor, every few months their articles coming out telling how much of the 
phone market which company has in terms of profits. Year after year, Apple 
makes the vast majority of profits in the phone market. You might not like it. 
But it's true. There's a whole lot of the technical press that is all over 
articles every time some company gains a little bit of marketshare. Waymore 
phones have android on them then there are iPhones. And that makes exactly no 
difference, because the vast majority of the actual money being made is being 
made by Apple on phones, not any of the other companies. Samsung makes a bunch 
of money. They make some profit on phones. They also make a ton of money in 
other industries. All those cheap phones that all those folks are making our 
nonprofit producers. Again, you might not like it. It might not be "fair". But 
that's how it is.

Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> 
wrote:

  Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.

  One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this industry 
because Apple is only one company, whereas there are at least seven or eight 
companies manufacturing cell phones that are not Apple.  To say that Apple was 
making most of the money in this industry is like saying that Coke is making 
most of the money in the pop industry when there are so many other drinks 
available like juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.

  Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money compared 
to Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even then your statement 
would be wrong as these two companies alone make thousands of products Apple 
does not, so please, check your facts before your tout them as facts.

  Victor

  From: Mary Otten 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
      Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red 
iPhone - Bloomberg

  Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making 
most of the money in this industry. There are many people who make android 
devices. Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever 
if they don't make a profit.
  Mary

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> 
wrote:

Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability 
and phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for 
just that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and rear, 
pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones available 
higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are 
pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they 
realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to take pictures, 
I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the 32 gig devices, 
especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the smaller issue.  How many 
phones out there are getting more and more waterproof and dust proof, and they 
don’t seem to have a problem with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security 
could be plugged to avoid that sort of thing.

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

e. They are great.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:59 PM
>>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
>>> iPhone - Bloomberg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making
>>> most of the money in this industry. There are many people who make
>>> android devices. Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in
>>> business forever if they don't make a profit.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia
>>> <victor.gouv...@rogers.com <mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS
>>>reliability and phone integrity, the fact is people are moving
>>>away from Apple devices for just that reason.  With the added
>>>advances in the camera, both front and rear, pictures will get
>>>larger, and I don’t even think there are phones available higher
>>>than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are
>>>pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the
>>>iPhone six, they realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if
>>>people wanted to take pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that
>>>they’re still offering the 32 gig devices, especially in the iPad,
>>>but again, this is just the smaller issue.  How many phones out
>>>there are getting more and more waterproof and dust proof, and
>>>they don’t seem to have a problem with an SD card slot, in
>>>addition, the OS security could be plugged to avoid that sort of
>>>    thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is guarding it’s closed
>>>platform so people are forced to get their content from iTunes and
>>>App store.  Open up the file system and you’re looking at an
>>>easier way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t have that.
>>>Regardless, I do think that Apple should open their eyes when it
>>>comes to expansion, if only to make it easier to connect to a
>>>portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold when the
>>>Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a
>>>thought.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>Victor
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>*From:*Sieghard Weitzel
>>> 
>>>*Sent:*Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
>>> 
>>>*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> 
>>>*Subject:*RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition
>>>Red iPhone - Bloomberg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>Hi Victor,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and
>>>offer SD card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce
>>>media on an SD card then the OS must have access to the folders or
>>>maybe it would be more accurate to say that Apple would have to
>>>give users access to what is on the SD card and that would
>>>possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform.
>>>Any SD card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce a
>>>lot of latency in how fast things get loaded and I think this all
>>>goes against what Apple wants to achieve. I think actually that
>>>even some high-end Android phones are moving away from that, but I
>>>    might be wrong, just something I heard. Does the Google Pixel for
>>>example have an SD card slot? Lastly, having such an expansion
>>>slot on an iPad is one thing because there is probably plenty of
>>>space, but having it on an iPhone is most likely not very
>>>practical as there hardly is any space left as is and of course
>>>making a highly waterproof or water resistant device would
>>>probably be much more difficult if the device had an SD card slot
>>>Personally I have no problem with Apple offering internal memory,
>>>I totally agree that nowadays 16 Gb

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

2017-03-22 Thread Christopher Chaltain

roid is bad. And I think it's great that there are phones in many
price ranges. But what I am saying is that it is a simple matter of
provable fact as acknowledge in the technical and financial press that
Apple makes the vast majority of profit in the smart phone industry.
You can love it or leave it but you can't change it. And marketshare
has absolutely nothing to do with it.


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Pablo Cesar Morales
<pablocmd2...@gmail.com <mailto:pablocmd2...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Most don’t make profit?
How a company is going to be in business if they don’t male profit?
It doesn’t make sence. Yes, a lot of people is leaving IOs and are
moving to android. You should try it, is much better. However I
should recommend  that don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy a
nexus 6p, or a pixel phone. They are great.




*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:59 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition
Red iPhone - Bloomberg


Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making
most of the money in this industry. There are many people who make
android devices. Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in
business forever if they don't make a profit.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia
<victor.gouv...@rogers.com <mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com>> wrote:

Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS
reliability and phone integrity, the fact is people are moving
away from Apple devices for just that reason.  With the added
advances in the camera, both front and rear, pictures will get
larger, and I don’t even think there are phones available higher
than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are
pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the
iPhone six, they realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if
people wanted to take pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that
they’re still offering the 32 gig devices, especially in the
iPad, but again, this is just the smaller issue.  How many phones
out there are getting more and more waterproof and dust proof,
and they don’t seem to have a problem with an SD card slot, in
addition, the OS security could be plugged to avoid that sort of
thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is guarding it’s closed
platform so people are forced to get their content from iTunes
and App store.  Open up the file system and you’re looking at an
easier way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t have that.
Regardless, I do think that Apple should open their eyes when it
comes to expansion, if only to make it easier to connect to a
portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold when the
Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just
a thought.

Victor

*From:* Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
    *Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special
Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

Hi Victor,

I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and
offer SD card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce
media on an SD card then the OS must have access to the folders
or maybe it would be more accurate to say that Apple would have
to give users access to what is on the SD card and that would
possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform.
Any SD card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce a
lot of latency in how fast things get loaded and I think this all
goes against what Apple wants to achieve. I think actually that
even some high-end Android phones are moving away from that, but
I might be wrong, just something I heard. Does the Google Pixel
for example have an SD card slot? Lastly, having such an
expansion slot on an iPad is one thing because there is probably
plenty of space, but having it on an iPhone is most likely not
very practical as there hardly is any space left as is and of
course making a highly waterproof or water resistant device would
probably be much more difficult if the device had an SD card slot
Personally I have no problem with Apple offering internal memory,
I totally agree that nowadays 16 Gb doesn’t get you far, but I
wonder how many people still buy 16 Gb devices if they can get a
64 Gb device (4 times the space) for $100 more.

Regards,
Sieghard

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Victor Gouveia
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 2

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

2017-03-22 Thread Christopher Chaltain

I can't understand how you say market share has nothing to do with 
Apple's profits. If they had no market share they wouldn't be selling 
any phones.


I'm not sure why we're arguing about Apple's profitability though. They 
are a very profitable company. I don't think this means they can ignore 
market share though or stop listening to their customers. I will say 
though that they must be doing a lot of things right, and they aren't 
going to stray from their core principles that made them the wealthiest 
company in the world.


On 22/03/17 21:22, Mary Otten wrote:

For all those of you who apparently don't bother to read the technical
press, the great majority of apples profit comes from the iPhone. It's
that simple. And for those of you who say I should try android, I have.
In fact, I own to android devices, a Nexus six and an axon seven mini.
Before that, I had a Nexus seven. I would love to find a device that is
cheaper than an iPhone that does as well for me as an iPhone, because I
am like everybody else in that I like to save money there are things
about the Apple system that I do not appreciate, one of them being the
fact that is rather a pain to transfer files to and from an iPhone. On
the other hand, as someone who has a Mac, I offer you the observation
that transferring files between android devices and Mac is not a piece
of cake. So, grass is not always greener on that side of the fence either.
Also, the top-of-the-line android phones, such as those from Samsung on
the top in and the Google pixel are very comparable if not more
expensive than iPhones. As such, I would want those devices to be kept
up-to-date quickly for several years, as is the case with an iPhone. My
Nexus six which is I believe, the same vintage as an iPhone 6, has yet
to receive an update to the latest operating system. And it's not going
to get anymore. The iPhone 6 on the other hand, God it's update right
along with all other Apple iPhones. That is a huge drawback to Android,
and Google knows it. They're taking steps to fix it, but I remain
skeptical as to how successful they might be. I'm not saying android is
bad. And I think it's great that there are phones in many price ranges.
But what I am saying is that it is a simple matter of provable fact as
acknowledge in the technical and financial press that Apple makes the
vast majority of profit in the smart phone industry. You can love it or
leave it but you can't change it. And marketshare has absolutely nothing
to do with it.


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Pablo Cesar Morales <pablocmd2...@gmail.com
<mailto:pablocmd2...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

Most don’t make profit?

How a company is going to be in business if they don’t male profit?

It doesn’t make sence. Yes, a lot of people is leaving IOs and are
moving to android. You should try it, is much better. However I should
recommend  that don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy a nexus
6p, or a pixel phone. They are great.









*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:59 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg



Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making
most of the money in this industry. There are many people who make
android devices. Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in
business forever if they don't make a profit.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia
<victor.gouv...@rogers.com <mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com>> wrote:

Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS
reliability and phone integrity, the fact is people are moving
away from Apple devices for just that reason.  With the added
advances in the camera, both front and rear, pictures will get
larger, and I don’t even think there are phones available higher
than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are
pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the
iPhone six, they realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if
people wanted to take pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that
they’re still offering the 32 gig devices, especially in the iPad,
but again, this is just the smaller issue.  How many phones out
there are getting more and more waterproof and dust proof, and
they don’t seem to have a problem with an SD card slot, in
addition, the OS security could be plugged to avoid that sort of
thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is guarding it’s closed
platform so people are forced to get their content from iTunes and
App store.  Open up the file system and you’re looking at an
easier way t

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

2017-03-22 Thread Christopher Chaltain

This is just my opinion, but I've used both Apple and Android, and I 
find Android to be the better platform. I appreciate it's openness and 
customizability. I like the widget support it's had for years. I like 
the variety in form factors. Android does have trouble with 
fragmentation though, but I'm willing to put up with this for the 
benefits I perceive.


Apple is a great product and a great ecosystem. I used it for years 
before I thought Android accessibility had caught up enough to make the 
jump possible. I still use an iPhone for work.


I think either platform is great depending on what you're looking for 
and how you use your phone. I think choice is good, and I don't think 
people need to get defensive when talking about the brand they chose to 
use or put down the other options. I for one hope both platforms get 
better and more accessible.


On 22/03/17 20:56, John Panarese wrote:

  Actually, she’s right. Apple, by far, makes the greatest profits over
any other cell phone maker. It’s not even close. This information can be
found all over the place.

   As for your opinion on Android, it’s also completely off. iOS is a
much better and more intelligent platform than Android. I’ve used
Android and it was not impressive at all. And this was on a Google
device with a straight forward version of Android.



Take Care

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On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:53 PM, Pablo Cesar Morales
<pablocmd2...@gmail.com <mailto:pablocmd2...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Sorry, tbut it is not what I see in the industry. Apple makes a lot of
money with another products. Apple is not just making iPhones. So we
should use the same rule that you used with Samsung.


*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf
Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:16 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg


Victor, every few months their articles coming out telling how much of
the phone market which company has in terms of profits. Year after
year, Apple makes the vast majority of profits in the phone market.
You might not like it. But it's true. There's a whole lot of the
technical press that is all over articles every time some company
gains a little bit of marketshare. Waymore phones have android on them
then there are iPhones. And that makes exactly no difference, because
the vast majority of the actual money being made is being made by
Apple on phones, not any of the other companies. Samsung makes a bunch
of money. They make some profit on phones. They also make a ton of
money in other industries. All those cheap phones that all those folks
are making our nonprofit producers. Again, you might not like it. It
might not be "fair". But that's how it is.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com
<mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com>> wrote:


Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.

One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this
industry because Apple is only one company, whereas there are at
least seven or eight companies manufacturing cell phones that are not
Apple.  To say that Apple was making most of the money in this
industry is like saying that Coke is making most of the money in the
pop industry when there are so many other drinks available like
juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.

Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money
compared to Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even
then your statement would be wrong as these two companies alone make
thousands of products Apple does not, so please, check your facts
before your tout them as facts.

Victor

*From:* Mary Otten
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition
Red iPhone - Bloomberg


Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making
most of the money in this industry. There are many people who make
android devices. Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in
business forever if they don't make a profit.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia
<victor.gouv...@rogers.com <mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com>> wrote:


Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS
reliability and phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away
from Apple devices for just that reason.  With the added advanc

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

2017-03-22 Thread John Panarese

d are moving to 
>> android. You should try it, is much better. However I should recommend  that 
>> don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy a nexus 6p, or a pixel phone. 
>> They are great.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:59 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone 
>> - Bloomberg
>>  
>> Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most 
>> of the money in this industry. There are many people who make android 
>> devices. Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business 
>> forever if they don't make a profit.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com 
>> <mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
>> phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for 
>> just that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and 
>> rear, pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones 
>> available higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those 
>> devices are pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the 
>> iPhone six, they realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people 
>> wanted to take pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still 
>> offering the 32 gig devices, especially in the iPad, but again, this is just 
>> the smaller issue.  How many phones out there are getting more and more 
>> waterproof and dust proof, and they don’t seem to have a problem with an SD 
>> card slot, in addition, the OS security could be plugged to avoid that sort 
>> of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is guarding it’s closed platform so 
>> people are forced to get their content from iTunes and App store.  Open up 
>> the file system and you’re looking at an easier way to jailbreak, and Apple 
>> couldn’t have that.  Regardless, I do think that Apple should open their 
>> eyes when it comes to expansion, if only to make it easier to connect to a 
>> portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold when the Android 
>> devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a thought.
>>  
>> Victor
>>  
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone 
>> - Bloomberg
>>  
>> Hi Victor,
>>  
>> I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD 
>> card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card 
>> then the OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more 
>> accurate to say that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the 
>> SD card and that would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of 
>> the platform. Any SD card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce 
>> a lot of latency in how fast things get loaded and I think this all goes 
>> against what Apple wants to achieve. I think actually that even some 
>> high-end Android phones are moving away from that, but I might be wrong, 
>> just something I heard. Does the Google Pixel for example have an SD card 
>> slot? Lastly, having such an expansion slot on an iPad is one thing because 
>> there is probably plenty of space, but having it on an iPhone is most likely 
>> not very practical as there hardly is any space left as is and of course 
>> making a highly waterproof or water resistant device would probably be much 
>> more difficult if the device had an SD card slot Personally I have no 
>> problem with Apple offering internal memory, I totally agree that nowadays 
>> 16 Gb doesn’t get you far, but I wonder how many people still buy 16 Gb 
>> devices if they can get a 64 Gb device (4 times the space) for $100 more.
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>   <>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Victor Gouveia
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:56 PM
>> To: viphone@goo

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

For all those of you who apparently don't bother to read the technical press, 
the great majority of apples profit comes from the iPhone. It's that simple. 
And for those of you who say I should try android, I have. In fact, I own to 
android devices, a Nexus six and an axon seven mini. Before that, I had a Nexus 
seven. I would love to find a device that is cheaper than an iPhone that does 
as well for me as an iPhone, because I am like everybody else in that I like to 
save money there are things about the Apple system that I do not appreciate, 
one of them being the fact that is rather a pain to transfer files to and from 
an iPhone. On the other hand, as someone who has a Mac, I offer you the 
observation that transferring files between android devices and Mac is not a 
piece of cake. So, grass is not always greener on that side of the fence either.
Also, the top-of-the-line android phones, such as those from Samsung on the top 
in and the Google pixel are very comparable if not more expensive than iPhones. 
As such, I would want those devices to be kept up-to-date quickly for several 
years, as is the case with an iPhone. My Nexus six which is I believe, the same 
vintage as an iPhone 6, has yet to receive an update to the latest operating 
system. And it's not going to get anymore. The iPhone 6 on the other hand, God 
it's update right along with all other Apple iPhones. That is a huge drawback 
to Android, and Google knows it. They're taking steps to fix it, but I remain 
skeptical as to how successful they might be. I'm not saying android is bad. 
And I think it's great that there are phones in many price ranges. But what I 
am saying is that it is a simple matter of provable fact as acknowledge in the 
technical and financial press that Apple makes the vast majority of profit in 
the smart phone industry. You can love it or leave it but you can't change it. 
And marketshare has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Pablo Cesar Morales <pablocmd2...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Most don’t make profit?
> How a company is going to be in business if they don’t male profit?
> It doesn’t make sence. Yes, a lot of people is leaving IOs and are moving to 
> android. You should try it, is much better. However I should recommend  that 
> don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy a nexus 6p, or a pixel phone. 
> They are great.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
> Bloomberg
>  
> Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most of 
> the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
> Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
> don't make a profit.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
> phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for 
> just that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and 
> rear, pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones 
> available higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those 
> devices are pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the 
> iPhone six, they realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted 
> to take pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the 32 
> gig devices, especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the smaller 
> issue.  How many phones out there are getting more and more waterproof and 
> dust proof, and they don’t seem to have a problem with an SD card slot, in 
> addition, the OS security could be plugged to avoid that sort of thing.  Fact 
> is, I think that Apple is guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced 
> to get their content from iTunes and App store.  Open up the file system and 
> you’re looking at an easier way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t have that.  
> Regardless, I do think that Apple should open their eyes when it comes to 
> expansion, if only to make it easier to connect to a portable solution, lest 
> they get left out in the cold when the Android devices that allow for 
> expansion come rumbling in.  Just a thought.
>  
> Victor
>  
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
> Bloomberg
>  
> Hi Victor,
>  
> I am not sure if Apple c

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

2017-03-22 Thread John Panarese

  Actually, she’s right. Apple, by far, makes the greatest profits over any 
other cell phone maker. It’s not even close. This information can be found all 
over the place.

   As for your opinion on Android, it’s also completely off. iOS is a much 
better and more intelligent platform than Android. I’ve used Android and it was 
not impressive at all. And this was on a Google device with a straight forward 
version of Android. 

   

Take Care

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Director
Mac for the Blind
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> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:53 PM, Pablo Cesar Morales <pablocmd2...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Sorry, tbut it is not what I see in the industry. Apple makes a lot of money 
> with another products. Apple is not just making iPhones. So we should use the 
> same rule that you used with Samsung.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf 
> Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
> Bloomberg
>  
> Victor, every few months their articles coming out telling how much of the 
> phone market which company has in terms of profits. Year after year, Apple 
> makes the vast majority of profits in the phone market. You might not like 
> it. But it's true. There's a whole lot of the technical press that is all 
> over articles every time some company gains a little bit of marketshare. 
> Waymore phones have android on them then there are iPhones. And that makes 
> exactly no difference, because the vast majority of the actual money being 
> made is being made by Apple on phones, not any of the other companies. 
> Samsung makes a bunch of money. They make some profit on phones. They also 
> make a ton of money in other industries. All those cheap phones that all 
> those folks are making our nonprofit producers. Again, you might not like it. 
> It might not be "fair". But that's how it is.
> 
> Mary
> 
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com 
> <mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.
>>  
>> One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this industry 
>> because Apple is only one company, whereas there are at least seven or eight 
>> companies manufacturing cell phones that are not Apple.  To say that Apple 
>> was making most of the money in this industry is like saying that Coke is 
>> making most of the money in the pop industry when there are so many other 
>> drinks available like juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.
>>  
>> Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money compared to 
>> Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even then your statement 
>> would be wrong as these two companies alone make thousands of products Apple 
>> does not, so please, check your facts before your tout them as facts.
>>  
>> Victor
>>  
>> From: Mary Otten 
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone 
>> - Bloomberg
>>  
>> Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most 
>> of the money in this industry. There are many people who make android 
>> devices. Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business 
>> forever if they don't make a profit.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com 
>> <mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
>>> phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for 
>>> just that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and 
>>> rear, pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones 
>>> available higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those 
>>> devices are pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the 
>>> iPhone six, they realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people 
>>>

RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

Sorry, tbut it is not what I see in the industry. Apple makes a lot of money 
with another products. Apple is not just making iPhones. So we should use the 
same rule that you used with Samsung.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Victor, every few months their articles coming out telling how much of the 
phone market which company has in terms of profits. Year after year, Apple 
makes the vast majority of profits in the phone market. You might not like it. 
But it's true. There's a whole lot of the technical press that is all over 
articles every time some company gains a little bit of marketshare. Waymore 
phones have android on them then there are iPhones. And that makes exactly no 
difference, because the vast majority of the actual money being made is being 
made by Apple on phones, not any of the other companies. Samsung makes a bunch 
of money. They make some profit on phones. They also make a ton of money in 
other industries. All those cheap phones that all those folks are making our 
nonprofit producers. Again, you might not like it. It might not be "fair". But 
that's how it is.

Mary

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com 
<mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com> > wrote:

Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.

 

One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this industry because 
Apple is only one company, whereas there are at least seven or eight companies 
manufacturing cell phones that are not Apple.  To say that Apple was making 
most of the money in this industry is like saying that Coke is making most of 
the money in the pop industry when there are so many other drinks available 
like juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.

 

Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money compared to 
Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even then your statement 
would be wrong as these two companies alone make thousands of products Apple 
does not, so please, check your facts before your tout them as facts.

 

Victor

 

From: Mary Otten 

Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most of 
the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
don't make a profit.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com 
<mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com> > wrote:

Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for just 
that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and rear, 
pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones available 
higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are 
pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they 
realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to take pictures, 
I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the 32 gig devices, 
especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the smaller issue.  How many 
phones out there are getting more and more waterproof and dust proof, and they 
don’t seem to have a problem with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security 
could be plugged to avoid that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is 
guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced to get their content from 
iTunes and App store.  Open up the file system and you’re looking at an easier 
way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t have that  Regardless, I do think that 
Apple should open their eyes when it comes to expansion, if only to make it 
easier to connect to a portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold 
when the Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a 
thought.

 

Victor

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Hi Victor,

 

I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD card 
expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card then the 
OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more accurate to say 
that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the SD card and that 
would possibly defeat the purpos

RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

Most don’t make profit?

How a company is going to be in business if they don’t male profit?

It doesn’t make sence. Yes, a lot of people is leaving IOs and are moving to 
android. You should try it, is much better. However I should recommend  that 
don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy a nexus 6p, or a pixel phone. They 
are great.

 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most of 
the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
don't make a profit.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com 
<mailto:victor.gouv...@rogers.com> > wrote:

Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for just 
that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and rear, 
pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones available 
higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are 
pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they 
realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to take pictures, 
I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the 32 gig devices, 
especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the smaller issue.  How many 
phones out there are getting more and more waterproof and dust proof, and they 
don’t seem to have a problem with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security 
could be plugged to avoid that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is 
guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced to get their content from 
iTunes and App store.  Open up the file system and you’re looking at an easier 
way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t have that.  Regardless, I do think that 
Apple should open their eyes when it comes to expansion, if only to make it 
easier to connect to a portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold 
when the Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a 
thought.

 

Victor

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Hi Victor,

 

I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD card 
expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card then the 
OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more accurate to say 
that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the SD card and that 
would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform. Any SD 
card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce a lot of latency in how 
fast things get loaded and I think this all goes against what Apple wants to 
achieve. I think actually that even some high-end Android phones are moving 
away from that, but I might be wrong, just something I heard. Does the Google 
Pixel for example have an SD card slot? Lastly, having such an expansion slot 
on an iPad is one thing because there is probably plenty of space, but having 
it on an iPhone is most likely not very practical as there hardly is any space 
left as is and of course making a highly waterproof or water resistant device 
would probably be much more difficult if the device had an SD card slot 
Personally I have no problem with Apple offering internal memory, I totally 
agree that nowadays 16 Gb doesn’t get you far, but I wonder how many people 
still buy 16 Gb devices if they can get a 64 Gb device (4 times the space) for 
$100 more.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 



From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gouveia
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

I don’t agree.  Granted, the 300 dollar price tag is nice, but not with the 
memory it’s offering.

 

I think the 32 and 16 models of any device is outdated, unless it’s got an 
expansion slot for an SD card.

 

Frankly, I’m completely surprised that Apple hasn’t embraced this concept, 
since it would enable them to lower the amount of ROM memory on the device, and 
allow people to expand according to their budget.  Alas, it would seem that 
Apple is destined not to ever get the message.  

 

Victor

 

From: Mr. Ed 

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:40 PM

To: viphone@go

RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

No, I am not saying that apple is doing something wrong. The Customers are who 
are doing wrong here. Today accessibility is much better on android devices 
than on IOs. I have an iPhone, and I have a pixel phone. I leave my iPhone 
every day at home, and I take my pixel. I have a lot of freedom using a pixel 
phone, and I love freedom. It is something that I was missing when I was an 
iPhone user.

I am able to install apps in my pixel sitting on my computer using internet 
explorer. I just go to the google play store, I search for what ever app, and I 
press enter on install. That is it. The app is installed automaticly in my 
pixel phone. More over, if I have my pixel phone not with me. Because I forgot 
my phone in my office. I am able to install apps, or remove apps from my home, 
just using a regular browser. Not iTunes.

If I want to put music in my phone, I just connect my phone, and with copy and 
paste, I am able to transfer what ever music or video from my computer to my 
phone, not need to use iTunes for that.

If I want to install apps that are not in the play store, I don’t need to do 
what apple users has to do. I just enable third parties apps in my phone and it 
is it.

I have eloquence install in my pixel, the same voice that is using jaws. I like 
this voice, it is easier to understand.

I have found better accessibility in a lot of apps that in IOs just doesn’t 
exist or is very low.

Android is a platform that is use a lot outside the United States. In United 
States exist the idea that if you are an android user, it is because you are 
poor, and if you have an iPhone, then it is because you are nice. Stupid ideas 
that we developed from those days when iPhones used to be more expensive than 
android phones. Yes is true that android wasn’t that good before, but today I 
am an iPhone and android user. I like better android for many many reasons.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Pablo,

 

I'm not sure why you think it's wrong for a for-profit company like Apple to 
want to make money on their products. I guarantee you that any company not 
operating in this fashion won't be long of this world. And you speak of Android 
as if it's one company instead of the multitude of companies that make devices 
that run under Android. If you don't like Apple's closed file system which 
seems to be working pretty well for them based on their sales and current stock 
price, you should use an Android device and I hope it meets all your needs. 
That's the way supply and demand is supposed to work in our economic system.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com [ 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:30 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Pixel doesn’t have a sd card slot, but it is not the only android device. 
Samsung and many other big cellphone brands creates phones with sd cards. 

Really the problem with apple is that they want to make money with everything, 
and they want to handle what you place in your iPhone memory. With the story 
abour copy rights they have done very difficult for users manage music between 
iPhones, or also between iPhone and other devices. Yes, we can use iTunes to 
transfer music to our iPhones, but use this app is really difficult for 
standard users. More over in android devices you can store there documents of 
all types, you can create folders and subfolders in the same way how we do in 
our computers. In iPhones the story is different. It is one of the reasons why 
I bought an android device. Android and IOs have different politics and 
different cultures. Apple’s culture is money, money and more money. Android’s 
culture is share, share and share again. Apple wants to control so much what we 
do in our devices. Android gives freedom to do what ever you want, and more 
important, in a very easy way.

 

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com [ 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:48 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Hi Victor,

 

I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD card 
expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card then the 
OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more accurate to say 
that Apple would have to give us

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
BloombergAnthony, I did nothing of the sort.

I simply asked her to qualify her statement with some sort of reference.  As 
you may or may not have seen, her subsequent message clarified she was 
referring to one company versus another, not the industry as a whole.  We are 
simply waiting for her to tell me whether I misunderstood her message or not.

Victor

From: Anthony Vece 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

You made it look like she didn't know what she was talking about.


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 7!!!

On Mar 22, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> wrote:


  Anthony, I’m sorry, what did I do wrong except contradict someone’s opinion 
and clear up some confusion that may have been made that misunderstood my 
words.  Should I have let it go, and let her keep stating a fact that is not a 
fact?

  I’m not sure what I did wrong here.

  Victor

  From: Anthony Vece 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:36 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

  Hey Victor;

  I'm Mary is speaking from knowledge that is credible.
  Leave her alone.
  Anthony


  Sent from my Verizon iPhone 7!!!

  On Mar 22, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> wrote:


Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.

One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this industry 
because Apple is only one company, whereas there are at least seven or eight 
companies manufacturing cell phones that are not Apple.  To say that Apple was 
making most of the money in this industry is like saying that Coke is making 
most of the money in the pop industry when there are so many other drinks 
available like juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.

Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money compared to 
Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even then your statement 
would be wrong as these two companies alone make thousands of products Apple 
does not, so please, check your facts before your tout them as facts.

Victor

From: Mary Otten 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
    Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone 
- Bloomberg

Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most 
of the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
don't make a profit.
Mary



Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> 
wrote:


  Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability 
and phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for 
just that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and rear, 
pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones available 
higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are 
pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they 
realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to take pictures, 
I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the 32 gig devices, 
especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the smaller issue.  How many 
phones out there are getting more and more waterproof and dust proof, and they 
don’t seem to have a problem with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security 
could be plugged to avoid that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is 
guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced to get their content from 
iTunes and App store.  Open up the file system and you’re looking at an easier 
way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t have that  Regardless, I do think that 
Apple should open their eyes when it comes to expansion, if only to make it 
easier to connect to a portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold 
when the Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a 
thought.

  Victor

  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red 
iPhone - Bloomberg

  Hi Victor,

   

  I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer 
SD card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card 
then the OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more accurate 
to say that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the SD card and 
that would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform. 
Any SD car

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - BloombergThis 
is not the statement you made at the offset.  In the below, you’re comparing 
Apple products to Samsung products, and in this statement, I agree with you,  
but in your first statement, you were comparing Apple products to the number of 
devices currently on the market, unless I misunderstood your initial post.

Please correct me if I’m wrong.  Like I said, I agree wholeheartedly with your 
below statement, but this is not the statement you made  to the list before.

Victor

From: Mary Otten 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Sorry, Victor. I am not confused. I know the difference between profit and 
market share. One, profit, is relevant if you're a business. Two, marketshare, 
is not relevant at all if you're not making any money. You will go out of 
business if you do not make money. Eventually, whoever is subsidizing all of 
your losses will get tired of it, and you will go away. It's that simple. If 
you get complacent, then you won't be selling as many hi profit margin 
products, and then you have a problem. But since I just saw an article that 
talked about how the-year-old iPhone 6s sold more than Samsung's top two phones 
of last year, the S7 and S7 edge, I don't think Apple has anything to worry 
about in the complacency department.
Mary


Mary



Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:33 PM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> wrote:


  Mary, I think you’re getting confused with profits and market share, or sales.

  What I mean to say is that in terms of pricing and how much money Apple makes 
cannot be denied, but they are a low percentage of the share of the cell phone 
market, and this has nothing to do with whether I like the news or not, if you 
came to me and proved to me that your blanket statement was correct, I would 
humbly apologize, and stand corrected, however, the fact is, in market share, 
there are too many cell phones out there for Apple to even corner the market or 
even the entire cell phone market.  I’m sorry if I confused you.

  Victor

  From: Mary Otten 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:16 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

  Victor, every few months their articles coming out telling how much of the 
phone market which company has in terms of profits. Year after year, Apple 
makes the vast majority of profits in the phone market. You might not like it. 
But it's true. There's a whole lot of the technical press that is all over 
articles every time some company gains a little bit of marketshare. Waymore 
phones have android on them then there are iPhones. And that makes exactly no 
difference, because the vast majority of the actual money being made is being 
made by Apple on phones, not any of the other companies. Samsung makes a bunch 
of money. They make some profit on phones. They also make a ton of money in 
other industries. All those cheap phones that all those folks are making our 
nonprofit producers. Again, you might not like it. It might not be "fair". But 
that's how it is.


  Mary



  Sent from my iPhone

  On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> wrote:


Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.

One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this industry 
because Apple is only one company, whereas there are at least seven or eight 
companies manufacturing cell phones that are not Apple.  To say that Apple was 
making most of the money in this industry is like saying that Coke is making 
most of the money in the pop industry when there are so many other drinks 
available like juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.

Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money compared to 
Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even then your statement 
would be wrong as these two companies alone make thousands of products Apple 
does not, so please, check your facts before your tout them as facts.

Victor

From: Mary Otten 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
    Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone 
- Bloomberg

Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most 
of the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
don't make a profit.
Mary



Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> 
wrote:


  Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability 
and phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple d

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

Sorry, Victor. I am not confused. I know the difference between profit and 
market share. One, profit, is relevant if you're a business. Two, marketshare, 
is not relevant at all if you're not making any money. You will go out of 
business if you do not make money. Eventually, whoever is subsidizing all of 
your losses will get tired of it, and you will go away. It's that simple. If 
you get complacent, then you won't be selling as many hi profit margin 
products, and then you have a problem. But since I just saw an article that 
talked about how the-year-old iPhone 6s sold more than Samsung's top two phones 
of last year, the S7 and S7 edge, I don't think Apple has anything to worry 
about in the complacency department.
Mary

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:33 PM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> wrote:
> 
> Mary, I think you’re getting confused with profits and market share, or sales.
>  
> What I mean to say is that in terms of pricing and how much money Apple makes 
> cannot be denied, but they are a low percentage of the share of the cell 
> phone market, and this has nothing to do with whether I like the news or not, 
> if you came to me and proved to me that your blanket statement was correct, I 
> would humbly apologize, and stand corrected, however, the fact is, in market 
> share, there are too many cell phones out there for Apple to even corner the 
> market or even the entire cell phone market.  I’m sorry if I confused you.
>  
> Victor
>  
> From: Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
> Bloomberg
>  
> Victor, every few months their articles coming out telling how much of the 
> phone market which company has in terms of profits. Year after year, Apple 
> makes the vast majority of profits in the phone market. You might not like 
> it. But it's true. There's a whole lot of the technical press that is all 
> over articles every time some company gains a little bit of marketshare. 
> Waymore phones have android on them then there are iPhones. And that makes 
> exactly no difference, because the vast majority of the actual money being 
> made is being made by Apple on phones, not any of the other companies. 
> Samsung makes a bunch of money. They make some profit on phones. They also 
> make a ton of money in other industries. All those cheap phones that all 
> those folks are making our nonprofit producers. Again, you might not like it. 
> It might not be "fair". But that's how it is.
> 
> Mary
> 
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.
>>  
>> One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this industry 
>> because Apple is only one company, whereas there are at least seven or eight 
>> companies manufacturing cell phones that are not Apple.  To say that Apple 
>> was making most of the money in this industry is like saying that Coke is 
>> making most of the money in the pop industry when there are so many other 
>> drinks available like juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.
>>  
>> Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money compared to 
>> Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even then your statement 
>> would be wrong as these two companies alone make thousands of products Apple 
>> does not, so please, check your facts before your tout them as facts.
>>  
>> Victor
>>  
>> From: Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone 
>> - Bloomberg
>>  
>> Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most 
>> of the money in this industry. There are many people who make android 
>> devices. Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business 
>> forever if they don't make a profit.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
>>> phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for 
>>> just that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and 
>>> rear, pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones 
>>> available higher than the five that have 16 gig memory,

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

2017-03-22 Thread Anthony Vece

You made it look like she didn't know what she was talking about.


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 7!!!

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> wrote:
> 
> Anthony, I’m sorry, what did I do wrong except contradict someone’s opinion 
> and clear up some confusion that may have been made that misunderstood my 
> words.  Should I have let it go, and let her keep stating a fact that is not 
> a fact?
>  
> I’m not sure what I did wrong here.
>  
> Victor
>  
> From: Anthony Vece
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
> Bloomberg
>  
> Hey Victor;
>  
> I'm Mary is speaking from knowledge that is credible.
> Leave her alone.
> Anthony
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone 7!!!
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.
>>  
>> One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this industry 
>> because Apple is only one company, whereas there are at least seven or eight 
>> companies manufacturing cell phones that are not Apple.  To say that Apple 
>> was making most of the money in this industry is like saying that Coke is 
>> making most of the money in the pop industry when there are so many other 
>> drinks available like juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.
>>  
>> Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money compared to 
>> Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even then your statement 
>> would be wrong as these two companies alone make thousands of products Apple 
>> does not, so please, check your facts before your tout them as facts.
>>  
>> Victor
>>  
>> From: Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone 
>> - Bloomberg
>>  
>> Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most 
>> of the money in this industry. There are many people who make android 
>> devices. Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business 
>> forever if they don't make a profit.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
>>> phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for 
>>> just that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and 
>>> rear, pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones 
>>> available higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those 
>>> devices are pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the 
>>> iPhone six, they realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people 
>>> wanted to take pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still 
>>> offering the 32 gig devices, especially in the iPad, but again, this is 
>>> just the smaller issue.  How many phones out there are getting more and 
>>> more waterproof and dust proof, and they don’t seem to have a problem with 
>>> an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security could be plugged to avoid 
>>> that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is guarding it’s closed 
>>> platform so people are forced to get their content from iTunes and App 
>>> store.  Open up the file system and you’re looking at an easier way to 
>>> jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t have that  Regardless, I do think that Apple 
>>> should open their eyes when it comes to expansion, if only to make it 
>>> easier to connect to a portable solution, lest they get left out in the 
>>> cold when the Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  
>>> Just a thought.
>>>  
>>> Victor
>>>  
>>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone 
>>> - Bloomberg
>>>  
>>> Hi Victor,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD 
>>> card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card 
>>> then the OS must have access to

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
BloombergAnthony, I’m sorry, what did I do wrong except contradict someone’s 
opinion and clear up some confusion that may have been made that misunderstood 
my words.  Should I have let it go, and let her keep stating a fact that is not 
a fact?

I’m not sure what I did wrong here.

Victor

From: Anthony Vece 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Hey Victor;

I'm Mary is speaking from knowledge that is credible.
Leave her alone.
Anthony


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 7!!!

On Mar 22, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> wrote:


  Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.

  One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this industry 
because Apple is only one company, whereas there are at least seven or eight 
companies manufacturing cell phones that are not Apple.  To say that Apple was 
making most of the money in this industry is like saying that Coke is making 
most of the money in the pop industry when there are so many other drinks 
available like juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.

  Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money compared to 
Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even then your statement 
would be wrong as these two companies alone make thousands of products Apple 
does not, so please, check your facts before your tout them as facts.

  Victor

  From: Mary Otten 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

  Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most of 
the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
don't make a profit.
  Mary



  Sent from my iPhone

  On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> 
wrote:


Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for just 
that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and rear, 
pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones available 
higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are 
pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they 
realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to take pictures, 
I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the 32 gig devices, 
especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the smaller issue.  How many 
phones out there are getting more and more waterproof and dust proof, and they 
don’t seem to have a problem with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security 
could be plugged to avoid that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is 
guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced to get their content from 
iTunes and App store.  Open up the file system and you’re looking at an easier 
way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t have that  Regardless, I do think that 
Apple should open their eyes when it comes to expansion, if only to make it 
easier to connect to a portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold 
when the Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a 
thought.

Victor

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
    Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone 
- Bloomberg

Hi Victor,

 

I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD 
card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card then 
the OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more accurate to 
say that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the SD card and 
that would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform. 
Any SD card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce a lot of latency 
in how fast things get loaded and I think this all goes against what Apple 
wants to achieve. I think actually that even some high-end Android phones are 
moving away from that, but I might be wrong, just something I heard. Does the 
Google Pixel for example have an SD card slot? Lastly, having such an expansion 
slot on an iPad is one thing because there is probably plenty of space, but 
having it on an iPhone is most likely not very practical as there hardly is any 
space left as is and of course making a highly waterproof or water resistant 
device would probably be much more difficult if the device had an SD card slot 
Personally I have no problem with Apple offering internal memory, I totally 
agree that

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

2017-03-22 Thread Anthony Vece

Hey Victor;

I'm Mary is speaking from knowledge that is credible.
Leave her alone.
Anthony


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 7!!!

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> wrote:
> 
> Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.
>  
> One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this industry 
> because Apple is only one company, whereas there are at least seven or eight 
> companies manufacturing cell phones that are not Apple.  To say that Apple 
> was making most of the money in this industry is like saying that Coke is 
> making most of the money in the pop industry when there are so many other 
> drinks available like juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.
>  
> Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money compared to 
> Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even then your statement 
> would be wrong as these two companies alone make thousands of products Apple 
> does not, so please, check your facts before your tout them as facts.
>  
> Victor
>  
> From: Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
> Bloomberg
>  
> Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most of 
> the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
> Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
> don't make a profit.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
>> phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for 
>> just that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and 
>> rear, pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones 
>> available higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those 
>> devicesare pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the 
>> iPhone six, they realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people 
>> wanted to take pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still 
>> offering the 32 gig devices, especially in the iPad, but again, this is just 
>> the smaller issue.  How many phones out there are getting more and more 
>> waterproof and dust proof, and they don’t seem to have a problem with an SD 
>> card slot, in addition, the OS security could be plugged to avoid that sort 
>> of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is guarding it’s closed platform so 
>> people are forced to get their content from iTunes and App store.  Open up 
>> the file system and you’re looking at an easier way to jailbreak, and Apple 
>> couldn’t have that  Regardless, I do think that Apple should open their eyes 
>> when it comes to expansion, if only to make it easier to connect to a 
>> portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold when the Android 
>> devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a thought.
>>  
>> Victor
>>  
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone 
>> - Bloomberg
>>  
>> Hi Victor,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD 
>> card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card 
>> then the OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more 
>> accurate to say that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the 
>> SD card and that would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of 
>> the platform. Any SD card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce 
>> a lot of latency in how fast things get loaded and I think this all goes 
>> against what Apple wants to achieve. I think actually that even some 
>> high-end Android phones are moving away from that, but I might be wrong, 
>> just something I heard. Does the Google Pixel for example have an SD card 
>> slot? Lastly, having such an expansion slot on an iPad is one thing because 
>> there is probably plenty of space, but having it on an iPhone is most likely 
>> not very practical as there hardly is any space left as is and of course 
>> making a highly waterproof or water resistant device would probably be much 
>> more difficult if the device had an SD card slot Personally I have no 
>> problem with Apple of

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - BloombergMary, 
I think you’re getting confused with profits and market share, or sales.

What I mean to say is that in terms of pricing and how much money Apple makes 
cannot be denied, but they are a low percentage of the share of the cell phone 
market, and this has nothing to do with whether I like the news or not, if you 
came to me and proved to me that your blanket statement was correct, I would 
humbly apologize, and stand corrected, however, the fact is, in market share, 
there are too many cell phones out there for Apple to even corner the market or 
even the entire cell phone market.  I’m sorry if I confused you.

Victor

From: Mary Otten 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Victor, every few months their articles coming out telling how much of the 
phone market which company has in terms of profits. Year after year, Apple 
makes the vast majority of profits in the phone market. You might not like it. 
But it's true. There's a whole lot of the technical press that is all over 
articles every time some company gains a little bit of marketshare. Waymore 
phones have android on them then there are iPhones. And that makes exactly no 
difference, because the vast majority of the actual money being made is being 
made by Apple on phones, not any of the other companies. Samsung makes a bunch 
of money. They make some profit on phones. They also make a ton of money in 
other industries. All those cheap phones that all those folks are making our 
nonprofit producers. Again, you might not like it. It might not be "fair". But 
that's how it is.


Mary



Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> wrote:


  Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.

  One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this industry 
because Apple is only one company, whereas there are at least seven or eight 
companies manufacturing cell phones that are not Apple.  To say that Apple was 
making most of the money in this industry is like saying that Coke is making 
most of the money in the pop industry when there are so many other drinks 
available like juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.

  Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money compared to 
Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even then your statement 
would be wrong as these two companies alone make thousands of products Apple 
does not, so please, check your facts before your tout them as facts.

  Victor

  From: Mary Otten 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

  Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most of 
the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
don't make a profit.
  Mary



  Sent from my iPhone

  On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> 
wrote:


Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for just 
that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and rear, 
pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones available 
higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are 
pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they 
realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to take pictures, 
I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the 32 gig devices, 
especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the smaller issue.  How many 
phones out there are getting more and more waterproof and dust proof, and they 
don’t seem to have a problem with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security 
could be plugged to avoid that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is 
guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced to get their content from 
iTunes and App store.  Open up the file system and you’re looking at an easier 
way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t have that  Regardless, I do think that 
Apple should open their eyes when it comes to expansion, if only to make it 
easier to connect to a portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold 
when the Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a 
thought.

Victor

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
    Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone 
- Bloomberg

Hi Victor,

 

I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garde

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

Victor, every few months their articles coming out telling how much of the 
phone market which company has in terms of profits. Year after year, Apple 
makes the vast majority of profits in the phone market. You might not like it. 
But it's true. There's a whole lot of the technical press that is all over 
articles every time some company gains a little bit of marketshare. Waymore 
phones have android on them then there are iPhones. And that makes exactly no 
difference, because the vast majority of the actual money being made is being 
made by Apple on phones, not any of the other companies. Samsung makes a bunch 
of money. They make some profit on phones. They also make a ton of money in 
other industries. All those cheap phones that all those folks are making our 
nonprofit producers. Again, you might not like it. It might not be "fair". But 
that's how it is.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> wrote:
> 
> Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.
>  
> One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this industry 
> because Apple is only one company, whereas there are at least seven or eight 
> companies manufacturing cell phones that are not Apple.  To say that Apple 
> was making most of the money in this industry is like saying that Coke is 
> making most of the money in the pop industry when there are so many other 
> drinks available like juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.
>  
> Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money compared to 
> Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even then your statement 
> would be wrong as these two companies alone make thousands of products Apple 
> does not, so please, check your facts before your tout them as facts.
>  
> Victor
>  
> From: Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
> Bloomberg
>  
> Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most of 
> the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
> Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
> don't make a profit.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
>> phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for 
>> just that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and 
>> rear, pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones 
>> available higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those 
>> devices are pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the 
>> iPhone six, they realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people 
>> wanted to take pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still 
>> offering the 32 gig devices, especially in the iPad, but again, this is just 
>> the smaller issue.  How many phones out there are getting more and more 
>> waterproof and dust proof, and they don’t seem to have a problem with an SD 
>> card slot, in addition, the OS security could be plugged to avoid that sort 
>> of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is guarding it’s closed platform so 
>> people are forced to get their content from iTunes and App store.  Open up 
>> the file system and you’re looking at an easier way to jailbreak, and Apple 
>> couldn’t have that  Regardless, I do think that Apple should open their eyes 
>> when it comes to expansion, if only to make it easier to connect to a 
>> portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold when the Android 
>> devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a thought.
>>  
>> Victor
>>  
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone 
>> - Bloomberg
>>  
>> Hi Victor,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD 
>> card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card 
>> then the OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more 
>> accurate to say that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the 
>> SD card and that would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of 
>> the platform. Any SD card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce 
>>

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - BloombergMary, 
you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.

One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this industry because 
Apple is only one company, whereas there are at least seven or eight companies 
manufacturing cell phones that are not Apple.  To say that Apple was making 
most of the money in this industry is like saying that Coke is making most of 
the money in the pop industry when there are so many other drinks available 
like juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.

Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money compared to 
Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even then your statement 
would be wrong as these two companies alone make thousands of products Apple 
does not, so please, check your facts before your tout them as facts.

Victor

From: Mary Otten 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most of 
the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
don't make a profit.
Mary



Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> wrote:


  Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for just 
that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and rear, 
pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones available 
higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are 
pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they 
realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to take pictures, 
I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the 32 gig devices, 
especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the smaller issue.  How many 
phones out there are getting more and more waterproof and dust proof, and they 
don’t seem to have a problem with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security 
could be plugged to avoid that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is 
guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced to get their content from 
iTunes and App store.  Open up the file system and you’re looking at an easier 
way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t have that  Regardless, I do think that 
Apple should open their eyes when it comes to expansion, if only to make it 
easier to connect to a portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold 
when the Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a 
thought.

  Victor

  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

  Hi Victor,

   

  I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD 
card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card then 
the OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more accurate to 
say that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the SD card and 
that would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform. 
Any SD card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce a lot of latency 
in how fast things get loaded and I think this all goes against what Apple 
wants to achieve. I think actually that even some high-end Android phones are 
moving away from that, but I might be wrong, just something I heard. Does the 
Google Pixel for example have an SD card slot? Lastly, having such an expansion 
slot on an iPad is one thing because there is probably plenty of space, but 
having it on an iPhone is most likely not very practical as there hardly is any 
space left as is and of course making a highly waterproof or water resistant 
device would probably be much more difficult if the device had an SD card slot 
Personally I have no problem with Apple offering internal memory, I totally 
agree that nowadays 16 Gb doesn’t get you far, but I wonder how many people 
still buy 16 Gb devices if they can get a 64 Gb device (4 times the space) for 
$100 more.

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
  Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:56 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

   

  I don’t agree.  Granted, the 300 dollar price tag is nice, but not with the 
memory it’s offering.

   

  I think the 32 and 16 models of any device is outdated, unless it’s got an 
expansion slot for an SD card.

   

  Frankly, I’m completely surprised that

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most of 
the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
don't make a profit.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
> phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for 
> just that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and 
> rear, pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones 
> available higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those 
> devices are pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the 
> iPhone six, they realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted 
> to take pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the 32 
> gig devices, especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the smaller 
> issue.  How many phones out there are getting more and more waterproof and 
> dust proof, and they don’t seem to have a problem with an SD card slot, in 
> addition, the OS security could be plugged to avoid that sort of thing.  Fact 
> is, I think that Apple is guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced 
> to get their content from iTunes and App store.  Open up the file system and 
> you’re looking at an easier way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t have that.  
> Regardless, I do think that Apple should open their eyes when it comes to 
> expansion, if only to make it easier to connect to a portable solution, lest 
> they get left out in the cold when the Android devices that allow for 
> expansion come rumbling in.  Just a thought.
>  
> Victor
>  
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
> Bloomberg
>  
> Hi Victor,
>  
> I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD 
> card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card 
> then the OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more 
> accurate to say that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the 
> SD card and that would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of 
> the platform. Any SD card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce 
> a lot of latency in how fast things get loaded and I think this all goes 
> against what Apple wants to achieve. I think actually that even some high-end 
> Android phones are moving away from that, but I might be wrong, just 
> something I heard. Does the Google Pixel for example have an SD card slot? 
> Lastly, having such an expansion slot on an iPad is one thing because there 
> is probably plenty of space, but having it on an iPhone is most likely not 
> very practical as there hardly is any space left as is and of course making a 
> highly waterproof or water resistant device would probably be much more 
> difficult if the device had an SD card slot Personally I have no problem with 
> Apple offering internal memory, I totally agree that nowadays 16 Gb doesn’t 
> get you far, but I wonder how many people still buy 16 Gb devices if they can 
> get a 64 Gb device (4 times the space) for $100 more.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Victor Gouveia
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
> Bloomberg
>  
> I don’t agree.  Granted, the 300 dollar price tag is nice, but not with the 
> memory it’s offering.
>  
> I think the 32 and 16 models of any device is outdated, unless it’s got an 
> expansion slot for an SD card.
>  
> Frankly, I’m completely surprised that Apple hasn’t embraced this concept, 
> since it would enable them to lower the amount of ROM memory on the device, 
> and allow people to expand according to their budget.  Alas, it would seem 
> that Apple is destined not to ever get the message. 
>  
> Victor
>  
> From: Mr. Ed
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
> Bloomberg
>  
> Hi Mary,
> I would think if you could get a new iPad for $329 that would be a big deal.
> Mr. Ed
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:24 PM
> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.co

RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

2017-03-22 Thread Alan Lemly

Pablo,

 

I'm not sure why you think it's wrong for a for-profit company like Apple to 
want to make money on their products. I guarantee you that any company not 
operating in this fashion won't be long of this world. And you speak of Android 
as if it's one company instead of the multitude of companies that make devices 
that run under Android. If you don't like Apple's closed file system which 
seems to be working pretty well for them based on their sales and current stock 
price, you should use an Android device and I hope it meets all your needs. 
That's the way supply and demand is supposed to work in our economic system.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Pixel doesn’t have a sd card slot, but it is not the only android device. 
Samsung and many other big cellphone brands creates phones with sd cards. 

Really the problem with apple is that they want to make money with everything, 
and they want to handle what you place in your iPhone memory. With the story 
abour copy rights they have done very difficult for users manage music between 
iPhones, or also between iPhone and other devices. Yes, we can use iTunes to 
transfer music to our iPhones, but use this app is really difficult for 
standard users. More over in android devices you can store there documents of 
all types, you can create folders and subfolders in the same way how we do in 
our computers. In iPhones the story is different. It is one of the reasons why 
I bought an android device. Android and IOs have different politics and 
different cultures. Apple’s culture is money, money and more money. Android’s 
culture is share, share and share again. Apple wants to control so much what we 
do in our devices. Android gives freedom to do what ever you want, and more 
important, in a very easy way.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Hi Victor,

 

I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD card 
expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card then the 
OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more accurate to say 
that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the SD card and that 
would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform. Any SD 
card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce a lot of latency in how 
fast things get loaded and I think this all goes against what Apple wants to 
achieve. I think actually that even some high-end Android phones are moving 
away from that, but I might be wrong, just something I heard. Does the Google 
Pixel for example have an SD card slot? Lastly, having such an expansion slot 
on an iPad is one thing because there is probably plenty of space, but having 
it on an iPhone is most likely not very practical as there hardly is any space 
left as is and of course making a highly waterproof or water resistant device 
would probably be much more difficult if the device had an SD card slot. 
Personally I have no problem with Apple offering internal memory, I totally 
agree that nowadays 16 Gb doesn’t get you far, but I wonder how many people 
still buy 16 Gb devices if they can get a 64 Gb device (4 times the space) for 
$100 more.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

I don’t agree.  Granted, the 300 dollar price tag is nice, but not with the 
memory it’s offering.

 

I think the 32 and 16 models of any device is outdated, unless it’s got an 
expansion slot for an SD card.

 

Frankly, I’m completely surprised that Apple hasn’t embraced this concept, 
since it would enable them to lower the amount of ROM memory on the device, and 
allow people to expand according to their budget.  Alas, it would seem that 
Apple is destined not to ever get the message.  

 

Victor

 

From: Mr. Ed 

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:40 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Hi Mary,

I would think if you could get a new iPad for $329 that would be a big deal.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - BloombergHi 
Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and phone 
integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for just that 
reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and rear, pictures 
will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones available higher than 
the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are pushing it.  When 
they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they realized that 
sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to take pictures, I mean, I’m 
still amazed that they’re still offering the 32 gig devices, especially in the 
iPad, but again, this is just the smaller issue.  How many phones out there are 
getting more and more waterproof and dust proof, and they don’t seem to have a 
problem with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security could be plugged to 
avoid that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is guarding it’s closed 
platform so people are forced to get their content from iTunes and App store.  
Open up the file system and you’re looking at an easier way to jailbreak, and 
Apple couldn’t have that.  Regardless, I do think that Apple should open their 
eyes when it comes to expansion, if only to make it easier to connect to a 
portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold when the Android devices 
that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a thought.

Victor

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Hi Victor,

 

I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD card 
expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card then the 
OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more accurate to say 
that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the SD card and that 
would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform. Any SD 
card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce a lot of latency in how 
fast things get loaded and I think this all goes against what Apple wants to 
achieve. I think actually that even some high-end Android phones are moving 
away from that, but I might be wrong, just something I heard. Does the Google 
Pixel for example have an SD card slot? Lastly, having such an expansion slot 
on an iPad is one thing because there is probably plenty of space, but having 
it on an iPhone is most likely not very practical as there hardly is any space 
left as is and of course making a highly waterproof or water resistant device 
would probably be much more difficult if the device had an SD card slot 
Personally I have no problem with Apple offering internal memory, I totally 
agree that nowadays 16 Gb doesn’t get you far, but I wonder how many people 
still buy 16 Gb devices if they can get a 64 Gb device (4 times the space) for 
$100 more.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

I don’t agree.  Granted, the 300 dollar price tag is nice, but not with the 
memory it’s offering.

 

I think the 32 and 16 models of any device is outdated, unless it’s got an 
expansion slot for an SD card.

 

Frankly, I’m completely surprised that Apple hasn’t embraced this concept, 
since it would enable them to lower the amount of ROM memory on the device, and 
allow people to expand according to their budget.  Alas, it would seem that 
Apple is destined not to ever get the message.  

 

Victor

 

From: Mr. Ed 

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:40 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Hi Mary,

I would think if you could get a new iPad for $329 that would be a big deal.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:24 PM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

These are not big deal upgrades. If they actually introduce a substantial a new 
iPad Pro, I would suppose they would do so with a bit more fanfare. But these 
upgrades are no big deal.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 21, 2017, at 6:48 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

  And it’s not even April 1 yet. Is this actually for real? I just heard on the 
Apple Byte Podcast that Digitimes said there would be an event in April where a 
new 10.5 inch iPad Pro would be introduced, hard to believe they would just do 
this without much fanfare, if I remember correctly they did a bit more last yer 
around the

RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

2017-03-22 Thread Fazil M.

I mean Bluetooth external memory card, if it can be used to expend IDevices  
internal memory?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 9:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

What is bluetooth removeable media? 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Fazil M.
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Don’t we have or likely to have in future Bluetooth removable media?

Thanks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Hi Victor,

I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD card 
expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card then the 
OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more accurate to say 
that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the SD card and that 
would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform. Any SD 
card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce a lot of latency in how 
fast things get loaded and I think this all goes against what Apple wants to 
achieve. I think actually that even some high-end Android phones are moving 
away from that, but I might be wrong, just something I heard. Does the Google 
Pixel for example have an SD card slot? Lastly, having such an expansion slot 
on an iPad is one thing because there is probably plenty of space, but having 
it on an iPhone is most likely not very practical as there hardly is any space 
left as is and of course making a highly waterproof or water resistant device 
would probably be much more difficult if the device had an SD card slot. 
Personally I have no problem with Apple offering internal memory, I totally 
agree that nowadays 16 Gb doesn’t get you far, but I wonder how many people 
still buy 16 Gb devices if they can get a 64 Gb device (4 times the space) for 
$100 more.

Regards,

Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

I don’t agree.  Granted, the 300 dollar price tag is nice, but not with the 
memory it’s offering.

I think the 32 and 16 models of any device is outdated, unless it’s got an 
expansion slot for an SD card.

Frankly, I’m completely surprised that Apple hasn’t embraced this concept, 
since it would enable them to lower the amount of ROM memory on the device, and 
allow people to expand according to their budget.  Alas, it would seem that 
Apple is destined not to ever get the message.  

Victor

From: Mr. Ed 

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:40 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Hi Mary,

I would think if you could get a new iPad for $329 that would be a big deal.

Mr. Ed

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

These are not big deal upgrades. If they actually introduce a substantial a new 
iPad Pro, I would suppose they would do so with a bit more fanfare. But these 
upgrades are no big deal.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 21, 2017, at 6:48 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

And it’s not even April 1 yet. Is this actually for real? I just heard on the 
Apple Byte Podcast that Digitimes said there would be an event in April where a 
new 10.5 inch iPad Pro would be introduced, hard to believe they would just do 
this without much fanfare, if I remember correctly they did a bit more last yer 
around the iPhone SE..

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Marissa Solaun
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

May be of interest to those seeking a red iPhone 7/7+
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-21/apple-introduces-cheapest-ipad-yet-special-edition-red-iphone

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