So why would you want to buy three tons of coal to generate electricity if only
one ton were needed? Rossi has pointed out on several occasions that his
device will operate with gas heating. Would you prefer to put out that extra
carbon dioxide and pay the extra cost for the coal if you had
That is right Josh, keep raising the bar. There has been sufficient proof
shown so far and you and your friends have not accepted it. Why should Rossi
think that any additional level of proof would be anything but a waste of his
time? He is smarter than you realize. I can hardly wait for
Why don't you review the actual peak input drive levels required Josh? Once
you understand how it operates your statement will become non sense even to you.
Some form of energy storage will be required as has been said several times.
Please try to understand the system.
Dave
Cude, I hope that one day you will be subjected to the same level of scrutiny
as you love to throw at everyone else. To claim that these men are all
scamming is contemptuous. To deny that all the previous replications by
various labs is fake or due to ignorance is beyond belief.
We would be
:10 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Eric,
Model 1 appears to be more in line with what I suspect is happening except for
the explanation of the lack of external heat for control issue. You need to
consider that the peak heat power being generated inside the core is only about
2
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Sent: Tue, Jun 4, 2013 11:38 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]: DC Meter Cheat Spice Model to be Replicated
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:21 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I have requested that Cude or any others interested in finding the truth
construct a similar model and prove me
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jun 4, 2013 11:53 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ekstrom critique of Levi et al.
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 11:35 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
It is apparent that Mr. Cude does not have a valid case and is not willing to
discuss the issues
Dennis, please look at the many descriptions that have been written about why
the COP must be beyond a certain level to supply itself without having
problems. A COP of 2 to 1 could not make enough electricity to supply the
drive by any means.
Electronic control required electrical energy and
Robert,
Please forgive me for responding to Cude and perhaps allowing his non sense to
escape the filter. I will restrict that situation from this point forth. I
feel badly for how I have contributed to this mess, but he was directly
attacking me and I hated to just stand by and let his
OK, I guess it was not clear to me what you were pointing out. It had the
sound of sarcasm...my bad.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jun 4, 2013 12:33 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe...
Message-
From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jun 4, 2013 3:53 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:36 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
This is a good start Josh. I think I
Dennis,
I don't think it would be quite so easy for Rossi to perform the experiment
that you propose. The recent tests were conducted in the open air and the
thermal resistance that the ECAT works into has a very strong influence upon
its operational parameters.
If Rossi were to place his
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Sent: Mon, Jun 3, 2013 2:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe...
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
If Rossi were to place his device into a tank of water much more heat would be
conducted away from the core.
I think the plan by Brian Ahern is to put
It will take more than just a generator and an extension cord to close the
loop. Some form of energy storage will be required to do the job.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jun 3, 2013 4:20 pm
Subject: RE:
Dennis,
The best proof is one that has the least possibility of error. Every
complication that is added to the setup results in many more issues to question
by the skeptics. The technique used by the testers of the ECAT is good enough
for any reasonable scientist to accept and all this non
Mark,
It might take a little time for Rossi to gain total control over his device.
How would you like to have been the pilot of the first plane built by the
Wright brothers? I have little doubt that great progress will be achieved over
the next couple of years with Rossi's device and
Jed,
A replication of my proof that a DC cheater current can not steal undetected
power from a sine wave line source was completed. I will make a further post
explaining the particulars later. This issue should be put to rest. As you
say, we know how to measure power accurately.
Dave
I have good news to report. My hypothesis is that DC current generated by load
rectification and thus flowing through the input AC sine wave power source (3
phase input to Rossi's ECAT) does not result in the stealing of any power from
that source. Also, any second and higher order harmonic
Berke,
I have not seen an indication that that power meter senses DC directly. The DC
that flows into of from the source supply does not need to be sensed in order
to calculate the power being delivered from that source. I realize that this
seems contrary to common sense, but there is
Eric,
The resistive heating requirement is to be able to reverse the temperature
excursion at the proper time by removing the extra input. Constant heat input
will result in the destruction of the device when useful output power is
generated.
Dave
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From: Eric
...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Jun 2, 2013 4:39 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 1:22 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
The resistive heating requirement is to be able to reverse the temperature
, energy from the Ni could flow directly out and be
radiated into space, which would allow for a fast cooling rate of the Ni once
the internal power was turned off.
Ed Storms
On Jun 2, 2013, at 3:10 PM, David Roberson wrote:
Eric,
Model 1 appears to be more in line with what I suspect
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 2:10 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Does this help to explain the operation according to my model?
Yes. But I think your SPICE model is working at a higher level than what I
Josh, once you understand how the ECAT uses heat for control you will realize
that the heat can not be applied continuously. Please take time to study what
I have been and am currently writing so that you will not keep making this
statement when it is not accurate.
Remember, continuous heat
It has been apparent to me for a long time that DGT uses a different method for
generation of heat than does Rossi. Both techniques appear to work.
The main question is whether or not one of the processes has a significantly
long life span before internal damage makes it require maintenance.
. Est modus in rebus.
Peter
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 4:15 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
It has been apparent to me for a long time that DGT uses a different method for
generation of heat than does Rossi. Both techniques appear to work.
The main question is whether or not one
You must be kidding! Those guys do not have a clue and anyone that follows
that non sense is being fooled. The group at moletrap has a hobby of trying to
debunk anything that they do not understand. You should have realized by now
that these clowns can not admit when they are shown in error
Applying more heat to make it stop is not what he does. He ceases to apply the
excess drive heat to make it stop. This is 180 degrees different. The extra
drive power to the resistors is added to the internal power during the time the
device is heating up and hence gaining temperature.
, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Peter,
You have done an excellent job of listing the main issues that will need
attention. At this point we do not have sufficient information about the
actual processes occurring and a good theory of how the energy is released.
Until that occurs
their sneering opinions
might be worth considering.
I am sure they would be as happy as you are to see lenr cars,
hot-water heaters, furnaces, etc.
On Sat, 1 Jun 2013 11:44:56 -0400 (EDT)
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
You must be kidding! Those guys do not have a clue and anyone
Let me make a suggestion Robert. The linear technology company publishes a
spice program that can be downloaded and used by the general public. This is a
fantastic offering and I have found it extremely accurate. Anyone who has an
interest in electronic modeling would be well advised to get
turns into a conflagration of LENR enthusiasm.
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:47 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
So, do you need help with that spice model? The remainder of your discussion
is nothing more than using words to avoid the issue. It would take you less
time to perform
Robin, how would Rossi prevent the lead from melting at the elevated
temperatures? Do you suspect that he has it confined within a closed shell of
some kind? I do not recall seeing any place for it to hide.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com
To: vortex-l
-Cat investigation put into question
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:23 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
There seems to be a serious hangup over why a heat generating device needs some
form of heating input to sustain itself. The skeptics can not seem to get
their arms around
joshua.c...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, May 31, 2013 2:58 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:52 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Josh, what is common sense now becomes ancient history when
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Sent: Fri, May 31, 2013 3:02 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
If someone is looking for an analogy they could look at the behavior of a power
transistor mounted on a heat
Josh, please refrain from insults.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, May 31, 2013 3:07 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Eric Walker
Josh, your entire theory will be shot if you acknowledge that the COP is
greater than 1. Are you now ready to accept this condition?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, May 31, 2013 3:22 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:new
-Original Message-
From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, May 31, 2013 3:26 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:39 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote
, May 31, 2013 4:19 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ekstrom critique of Levi et al.
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:35 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I thought that the DC issue was put to rest.
Only according to the credulous true believers. Essen said they excluded it,
but he didn't say
I suggest that you study the magnetic fields associated with solenoids Josh.
Obviously you must not realize that they have an external field much like a bar
magnet. This is simple for you to study and realize your mistake.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Joshua Cude
Rob, it would be an easier task if Rossi were able to restrict the environment
within which his device operates. If he were to pursue this too far, then the
applications for which his ECAT can operate are quickly reduced.
Now is the time for him to optimize the control system and he appears
I do not see a direct violation of the COE with Ed's theory. It is somewhat
kin to what happens when an electron and proton are far removed from each
other. The electron comes into a tighter orbital as energy is released.
If you make a classical model with two protons separated by an
There is a wealth of information contained within the shape of the output
temperature curve associated with operation of the ECAT. My spice model also
demonstrates this behavior and the testers eluded to some of the important
issues. It is apparent to anyone reviewing the output temperature
What is not positive heat feedback?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, May 31, 2013 1:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:40 AM, David Roberson
:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:37 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
It is great to see that we are in such close agreement. Let's handle the
issues related to positive feedback as I requested and you
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Sent: Fri, May 31, 2013 1:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:41 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Josh, please refrain from insults.
Please refrain from telling me what to refrain from.
Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, May 31, 2013 1:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:32 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
With that in mind, please submit for discussion your
-Original Message-
From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, May 31, 2013 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ekstrom critique of Levi et al.
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:59 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Bring on your proof that what I have
regarding input energy in Ecat test
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:44 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Josh, your entire theory will be shot if you acknowledge that the COP is
greater than 1. Are you now ready to accept this condition?
No. The only thing you seem to be able to do
-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, May 31, 2013 2:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:48 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Every one of the points you make are pure speculation. There is absolutely no
evidence
hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:52 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I suggest that you study the magnetic fields associated with solenoids Josh.
Obviously you must not realize that they have an external field much like a bar
magnet
Message-
From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, May 31, 2013 2:39 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:11 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Lets start with one of your choice
). talk him of
thermal regulation and smart grid awareness... I guess he can...
time is for engineering.
2013/5/31 David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
There is a wealth of information contained within the shape of the output
temperature curve associated with operation of the ECAT. My spice model
You will get it right one day. I am just kidding as you probably detected Eric.
Actually, it might not be too easy for Rossi to operate his device with just a
generator attached to some type of steam turbine. With the present COP of 6
the device might experience difficulty delivering the
I guess I fell for the word trap without looking at the drawing. What was
discussed about the magnetic fields of solenoids is correct, but in this case
the resistors appear not to be wound in that form. It is good that you brought
that to our attention.
Dave
-Original Message-
There seems to be a serious hangup over why a heat generating device needs some
form of heating input to sustain itself. The skeptics can not seem to get
their arms around this issue so I will make another short attempt to explain
why this is important.
To achieve a high value of COP the
I thought that the DC issue was put to rest. It can be easily shown that there
is not amount of diode trickery which can be put into the control box that will
confuse the primary power measurement. DC input has been eliminated so that is
not an issue due to direct observation by one or more
There are advantages to using a three phase power input that have been pointed
out. Measurements of 3 phase systems are done every day so this is not
important.
If Cude can show a real test that proves 3 phase measurements are not accurate,
then someone will listen. Until that time, he can
Josh, what is common sense now becomes ancient history when the newest theories
come out. How do you think men learned to fly heavier than air crafts when it
was common sense that this was not possible. It took a couple of open minded
and brilliant engineers to do what could not be done by
If someone is looking for an analogy they could look at the behavior of a power
transistor mounted on a heat sink. For this exercise assume that the collector
is directly connected to a power source. Apply enough base drive to obtain a
relatively large collector current.
If you adjust the
-disciplines ;-)
harry
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:29 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Harry, please do not be offended by that guy. Remember, I was not able to
teach him elementary electronic theory.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
You make a good point. Three phase rectification and filtering is far easier
than single phase and that might be his reasoning. I suspect that sooner or
later he will begin using power factor correction electronics to get the
present relatively poor value of .5 up to standards.
The present
Jed, I vote to keep him off for a while. Perhaps you missed his insults toward
me and others on the list.
What I find particularly funny is that he did not even realize that what I
stated was true! If he eventually makes that spice model that I begged him and
his friend Duncan to do, he
I read an article about this possibility a number of years ago. I have been
wondering when it would rear its head again and hoping that it might not happen.
It just seemed like such an obvious method of isotope separation as long as an
accurately tuned laser were available to ionize the
Poor Mark,
He is caught between a cat and a mouse. Maybe we need one of those snakes to
take the mouse out of the equation. :-)
Dave
-Original Message-
From: pagnucco pagnu...@htdconnect.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 12:23 am
Subject: [Vo]:Forbes:
Joshua,
Please take a careful look at the modulated output power that we discussed the
other day. You will notice a strong correlation between the input power as
registered on the power meter and the shape of the output power.
It is evident that the output power is rising for the same amount
I agree with you Alain. We have a few new members posting a lot of non sense
on the list as a game. They should be considered trolls since that is how they
are behaving and I hope that eventually they are banned unless they cease.
There are groups that make a game out of flooding good sites
There is no way to know why 3 phase power is being used in this situation.
Perhaps the latest design for the complete system that has many units
associated has that requirement.
The assumption that this is done to trick the scientists is laughable. You
would think that a good power meter
These can be shown a hundred times and it would not be important to the present
condition. The skeptics know that there is no way that this is being done by
using a tiny bit of understanding. I suspect that Joshua realizes this since
he appears to be far more knowledgeable than the rest of
28, 2013 at 12:19 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Please take a careful look at the modulated output power that we discussed the
other day. You will notice a strong correlation between the input power as
registered on the power meter and the shape of the output power.
I
You are letting your emotions influence your thinking. Try to keep an open
mind for a change and let yourself accept that LENR might actually be real. If
the evidence points in that direction, then follow it instead of imagining big
monsters hiding under your bed.
Dave
-Original
As I have explained to you many times, a diode inside the control box can not
fake out the power meter connected at the socket. This is elementary and
should not be repeated by you or any of the skeptics. Why not perform a spice
simulation if you are an EE as you claim to lay this to rest
Axil,
Please clarify something for me concerning BEC behavior. Are you convinced
that a BEC will always lead to fusion when it is formed?
Would a BEC produced at near absolute zero be expected to fuse? If not, what
is the push required to make it happen?
I assume we are speaking of a BEC
several times.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, May 28, 2013 2:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Pekka Janhunen analysis supports the reported underestimation
of radiated power
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:05 PM, David Roberson
You have got to be kidding!
-Original Message-
From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, May 28, 2013 2:15 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi et al. did measure the DC component of input power
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Jones Beene
Show us how that cable will neglect the results. This is just more noise to
clog up the system.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Andrew andrew...@att.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, May 28, 2013 2:58 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into
Why issue a warning? We need to pop a bottle of Champaign and celebrate!
I have been hoping for a long time that someone would come along and support
the many observations that I have made. Now I have a partner in crime.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com
To:
Ed, I recall the Van de Graaff generators which had a vacuum or just air inside
and a conductive outside. One of the demonstrations that I saw was that there
is no electric field within the shielding outer surface. Why does this not
happen within the NAE? It looks a lot like one of those
. This same effect happens on a clean surface and
accounts for the surface energy that attracts absorbed atoms.
Is this clearer?
Ed Storms
On May 28, 2013, at 3:53 PM, David Roberson wrote:
Ed, I recall the Van de Graaff generators which had a vacuum or just air inside
and a conductive
Jed , what you said matches my model behavior. Of course this is a low COP
case. The high COP behavior is more complex.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, May 28, 2013 9:38 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Spice model
Harry, please do not be offended by that guy. Remember, I was not able to
teach him elementary electronic theory.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 1:19 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Spice model explains
Eric, I agree with what Mark is saying. All you need to do is look at the
continual flow of insults from certain members to understand their behavior. I
have decided not to further engage at least one of them because of his attitude.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Eric Walker
began to discuss and describe
characteristics desirable of an active cooling system.
You dig?
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Constant temperature Operation of ECAT
.
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: About the March test
I read that section and found that this is not a problem. The input is
applied for 1/3 of the time while the average
to check
for a DC level change.
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Torbjörn Hartman describes power
measurments
Robin,
The problem at hand
The concept mentioned below by Duncan is not correct. The DC current that
flows into the resistor from the wall socket finds a short circuit to ground in
the power transformer center tap in most cases.
All of the power being delivered into the resistor from the wall socket can be
determined
Sounds like an excellent idea Bob. A hitch might develop if the testers bring
the LPF along with them and attempt to power down the ECAT to insert it.
It does seem ludicrous for anyone to suggest that Rossi would not allow the
scientists to view the waveform at the power socket. If this
Ed, do you consider the emission of photons as a result of interaction of the
protons due to the coulomb force between them or the strong force? It seems
that the initial distances are much to far apart to involve interaction by
strong force.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Edmund
I have no idea how nano-particles might be associated with the Rossi device. I
do however think that any final product that he produces must have a panic
button of some sort when the process gets out of control. Perhaps your idea
might constitute a safety process.
Dave
-Original
Eric, I suspect that the duty cycle is indeed most of the proprietary
information. That must be adjusted to compensate for a lot of parameters
associated with the ECAT. The model I speak of often suggests that the duty
cycle is what keeps the device under control.
I wonder if anyone in
ago with PF, with Rossi's kit I'm not so certain. In fact, I don't
know of a single example. He only got the meltdown when he applied continuous
power at a level far above that which he uses now.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
by the
device itself.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: About the March test
A little humor never hurts! The bottom line is that the average power being
emitted
and the temperature operating point look like they would be key market
differentiators.
Do we have data as to how low the temperature can go, and still maintain
over-unity COP?
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, May 27
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: About the March test
Yes, what you say in bold type is true but not a problem in this case. Why
do you think that energy must be radiated
be for such a demonstration?
Duncan
On 5/26/2013 7:26 PM, David Roberson wrote:
Not my position. You need to show how it was done.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Duncan Cumming spacedr...@cumming.info
To: vortex
of transformer core resulting in magnetizing current and
hysteresis losses and generation of harmonics.
transformer are not perfect and saturation solve the DC component problem.
2013/5/27 David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
The concept mentioned below by Duncan is not correct. The DC current that
flows
. The most fun I had in my 40+ engineering career
was designing industrial robots. Right now, I'm looking for a new job.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Constant temperature
takes care of your short circuit problem. And then there's the
possibility of injection of RF also, also capacitatively coupled into the plug
lines.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:17 AM
Subject: Re
, David Roberson wrote:
Robin,
The problem at hand is that the skeptic claims that power due to the
DC current can be very large and not detected. There has been no
discussion of the AC current reading being affected by the DC so far
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