Re: [Vo]:one question interview with Andrea Rossi re LENR Science AND Technology

Regarding: LENR Lithium Size Matters https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2016/04/11/lenr-lithium-size-matters/ This article hit all my hot buttons, but the assumed fundamental LENR cause: hot fusion is not valid. LENR is caused by nucleon decay into mesons. Muons will produce a fusion reaction in many

[Vo]:Microscopic attractor seems strange

Eye candy for the Rossi-weary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZZcgBmS5W4=em

[Vo]:CNN: The largest U.S. coal company just filed for bankruptcy

See: http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/13/news/companies/peabody-coal-bankruptcy/index.html

RE: [Vo]: MFMP GS5.3 - a replication

From: Alberto De Souza Great views of the MFMP's experimental setup: https://theta360.com/s/mec8ROR65Uae7hy44vQSN991s Wow. Google street view meets the laboratory.

Re: [Vo]:CNN: The largest U.S. coal company just filed for bankruptcy

Save for the workers, is that good or bad?

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Patrick Ellul April 13, 2016 at 7:13 AM Dear Andrea, Jed Rothwell alleges that there is a second ERV of the 1 year 1MW plat test and that his report draws an opposite conclusion to the the one from the ERV that you described. Does this second ERV exist? Best regards, Patrick Andrea Rossi

RE: [Vo]:CNN: The largest U.S. coal company just filed for bankruptcy

From: Jed Rothwell Daniel Rocha wrote: Save for the workers, is that good or bad? It is bad for the workers and good for everyone else. In my opinion, the workers deserve help from the rest of society. It does not have to be “either-or” (workers vs environment) except under blind adherence

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Jed wrote.."Ask him why he will not release the Penon report. He will give some sort of bullshit answer I expect. The real reason is because the report makes him look like a fool. I do not know if there is another complete report, but I do know that the I.H. observer disagrees with the Penon

Re: [Vo]:Anyone Familiar With Kanarev?

I have worked with Phillip some months in the nineties mainly as translator Russian-English via Internet. He was trying then Cold Fusion via continuous electrolysi. No notes kept (PC crash) Nice man you can ask him directly what you wish. peter On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Chris Zell

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Peter Gluck wrote: > see please Rossi's answer on his Blog > peter > I have difficulty navigating his blog. Would you kindly copy the answer here? - Jed

RE: [Vo]:Microscopic attractor seems strange

Steve, Interesting, but you have to fault MIT once again for not digging deeper to give credit where credit is due, or maybe they did somewhere in a long article which was not referenced - but I lost interest when they seem to claim this as original science. The phenomenon was covered by Feynman

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Ask him why he will not release the Penon report. He will give some sort of bullshit answer I expect. The real reason is because the report makes him look like a fool. I do not know if there is another complete report, but I do know that the I.H. observer disagrees with the Penon report, for good

[Vo]:Anyone Familiar With Kanarev?

In anyone here familiar with the work of Phillip Kanarev? A Russian physics professor and inventor who is more than a bit of an iconoclast. http://guns.connect.fi/innoplaza/energy/story/Kanarev/ My interest is that he supports the work of a Russian engineer who claims that centrifugal force

[Vo]:2nd "ERV" as well as being incomplete has obvious risks of being fraudulent.

Hi all Jed Rothwell is posting various comments about a supposed 2nd ERV. As described by Jed Rothwell this report has several problems. 1) First of all according to what Jed Rothwell reports it was commissioned solely and apparently secretly by IH with obvious risks of bias. 2) It breaks the

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

EMS (Chiefio) has posted an interesting piece about how LENR works that allows one to visualize it. Read it and the comments that elaborate on the idea. LENR Lithium Size Matters https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2016/04/11/lenr-lithium-size-matters/

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

see please Rossi's answer on his Blog peter On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 5:54 PM, a.ashfield wrote: > Jed wrote.."Ask him why he will not release the Penon report. He will give > some sort of bullshit answer I expect. The real reason is because the > report makes him look

Re: [Vo]:CNN: The largest U.S. coal company just filed for bankruptcy

Daniel Rocha wrote: Save for the workers, is that good or bad? > It is bad for the workers and good for everyone else. In my opinion, the workers deserve help from the rest of society. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

The value and quality of the ERV report is subjective, But in any contest where the referee is agreed upon beforehand. If the referee makes a call that one side does not agree with, that aggrieved party cannot take their ball and go home no matter how incompetent the referee is. You take the loss

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Do you know the address of the customer's industrial pant or do you only have the address of the business office of the customer in Florida? On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 11:32 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Sean True wrote: > > >> In fact, it would fit in a

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Axil Axil wrote: The value and quality of the ERV report is subjective, But in any contest > where the referee is agreed upon beforehand. > This is not a sporting event. > If the referee makes a call that one side does not agree with, that > aggrieved party cannot take

Re: [Vo]:Rossi states his reason for not publishing Penon report

Wow, Jed, not only are you an expert at calorimetry but you're also lawyer too. Quite the liberal arts degree you got there, where do I get one of those babies. On Wednesday, April 13, 2016, Jed Rothwell wrote: > a.ashfield

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Yah, I think this is more likely - that they just can't duplicate what he's done. I think Jed is over reaching and making big assumptions on what he's been told by his 'insider' sources. Lol. For example, Rossi might be refueling his eCats with something and Penon might just not be in on it.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi states his reason for not publishing Penon report

"Anyway, as I said, I really do not understand why people here side with Rossi rather than I.H. " We we all thought how a refereed game is played. In all sports, the mutually agreed upon referee is the final authority in who has won the game. That is how games have been played since the beginning

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

The location of the factory where the 1MW plant ran is not public. The identity of the customer is also not publicly known, nor what they used the heat for. It is suggested that the customer manufacters chemicals. Jed must be speculating, or he is privy to inside information. Regards.

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

What would stop Rossi from handing 10M over to the judge in the upcoming law case? The ERV is acting as a judge in this test. If I.H. does not like the judges verdict, do they just walk away without paying the judgment. What happened to law and order and fair play in florida this days? ERV = judge

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Jed speculation of the heat loading in an office sounds like a lot of hot air. On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 11:48 PM, Patrick Ellul wrote: > The location of the factory where the 1MW plant ran is not public. > The identity of the customer is also not publicly known, nor what

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

How do we know whether or not most of the heat is exhausted through some sort of chimney after performing its processing? It is pure speculation to assume that everyone will be roasted without knowing the exact system being tested. I detect far too much speculation and too little actual

[Vo]:Confirming Dangerous EM from cell phones?

The Microwave Drug: The Biological and Spiritual Effects of Electromagnetic Radiation Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Maybe the whole eCat is just one big lithium battery bank. On Wednesday, April 13, 2016, Blaze Spinnaker wrote: > Yah, I think this is more likely - that they just can't duplicate what > he's done. > > I think Jed is over reaching and making big assumptions on what

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

In fact, it would fit in a modest living room. The dimensions are 6' across, 6' high, and 7' long. The interesting question is how would you use that much steam? -- Sean On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 9:35 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I wrote: > > >> A dry cleaner steam generator

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

no problem: Eco la: *Patrick EllulApril 13, 2016 at 7:13 AMDear Andrea,Jed Rothwell alleges that there is a second ERV of the 1 year 1MW plat test and that his report draws an opposite conclusion to the the one from the ERV that you described.Does this second ERV exist?Best

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Jed, My reading of IH's statement is quite different. I don't recall them saying there was no heat. They said THEY could not duplicate Rossi's results. That is not the same thing. There has been quite a lot of speculation that the dispute is really about whether they have received

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

with www.rossilivecat.com/ it goes easier peter On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > a.ashfield wrote: > > >> I do not know if there is another complete report, but I do know that the >> I.H. observer disagrees with the Penon

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

I posted this on the cheifio blog twice as follows: This article hit all my hot buttons, but the assumed fundamental LENR cause: hot fusion is not valid. LENR is caused by nucleon decay into mesons. Muons will produce a fusion reaction in many cases but LENR fundamentally results from the

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

dear Axil, I included it in the blog today peter On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > I posted this on the cheifio blog twice as follows: > > This article hit all my hot buttons, but the assumed fundamental LENR > cause: hot fusion is not valid. LENR is

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

a.ashfield wrote: > I do not know if there is another complete report, but I do know that the > I.H. observer disagrees with the Penon report, for good reasons." > > Earlier I thought you wrote that Penon was incompetent and the report > valueless I think he is

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

This is a really funny exchange. The Cat concerto is very clever. Joseph Fine wrote. I admit the following video inspired me to come up with the name “E-Cat Symphony”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeoT66v4EHg Andrea Rossi April 13, 2016 at 9:52 AM Dr Joseph Fine: You have made

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Imagine how far a person can go with the support of crowd sourced enabling and excuse making. ;) On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 11:29 AM a.ashfield wrote: > Jed, > > My reading of IH's statement is quite different. I don't recall them > saying there was no heat. They said

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Axil Axil wrote. "Monopole magnetic flux tubes produced by Surface Plasmon Polaritons embedded inside a superconductive environment produces nucleon decay into mesons and subsequent nuclear reconfiguration. It's as simple as that." That is not at all simple, I know you have written about

RE: [Vo]:Anyone Familiar With Kanarev?

Wow! Small world isn’t it? I don’t know enough to evaluate his work – and reading translated Russian explaining his revolutionary viewpoints is very difficult. I didn’t understand why his discussions may jump into the subject of electrolysis after he claims to have separately created free

[Vo]:new answers from Rossi, tomorrow celebration, LENR nfo, fine opinion papers

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/04/apr-13-2016-what-has-changed-andrea.html some expected info delayed? Best wishes, Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:CNN: The largest U.S. coal company just filed for bankruptcy

It happened in China, but the government is training them to allocate to other industries.

[Vo]:Dualism makes LENR go.

One of the key concepts that make LENR go is dualism. Einstein first came up with the concept of dualism when he worked on the theory of special relativity. The Einstein March 1905 paper treated light as particles, but special relativity sees light as a continuous field of waves. Such a

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

a.ashfield wrote: My reading of IH's statement is quite different. I don't recall them > saying there was no heat. They said THEY could not duplicate Rossi's > results. That is not the same thing. > They say the one-year test did not work. Believe me, that is what

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Post revised and extended as follows: One critical facet of LENR is the production of a special type of nanoparticle: a superconductive hydride. This particle is produced by the extremely high pressure exerted by the chemical bonds in the lattice of a transition metal substrate lattice. Lithium

[Vo]:Rossi states his reason for not publishing Penon report

a.ashfield asked me a reasonable question: > Rossi stated that he wanted to release the report but had not on his > attorney;s advice. How dO you know better? > Rossi was more specific in a message he sent to Mats Lewan today. He "his lawyer won’t let him" publish the

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

I wrote: > Rossi stated that he wanted to release the report but had not on his >> attorney;s advice. How dO you know better? >> > > I cannot discuss that now. I hope I can later today. Sorry to be > mysterious, but I really do hope I can say something definitive about that > topic soon. >

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Re: [Vo]:Rossi states his reason for not publishing Penon report

No Jed it is not incorrect to follow the advice of the lawyer you pay lots of money to, for the purpose of him advice ng you on legal issues. To quick conclusions. On Apr 13, 2016 13:03, "Jed Rothwell" wrote: > a.ashfield asked me a reasonable

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

One critical facet of LENR is the production of a special type of nanoparticle: a superconductive hydride. This particle is produced by the extremely high pressure exerted by the chemical bonds in the lattice of a transition metal substrate lattice. Lithium hydride is an example of such a

Re: [Vo]:Rossi states his reason for not publishing Penon report

a.ashfield wrote: Jed. I do not know why. I wish they would. I do not want to ask them why, > because it is none of my business. I don't want to ask questions relating > to a lawsuit. I prefer to stick to technical questions. > > That didn't stop you speculating that

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

a.ashfield wrote: > Jed. "I hereby certify that this reactor produces anomalous heat with a > COP exceeding 6. Please remit $89 million." > > That is a gross over simplification. Yes, that is what I said. It is meant to be. This is an extreme example of a report that

Re: [Vo]:Anyone have a TL;DR for what is going on with Rossi and reports and lawsuits?

Rossi claims that ERV (Penon) report is 100% positive with 50x energy so he wants IH to pay up so he files a lawsuit with documentation. IH issued a very short press release rejecting the claims. Jed Rothwell says that someone he trusts inside IH says that the ERV report is very flawed. The report

Re: [Vo]:Rossi states his reason for not publishing Penon report

Jed, Now he says it will be published after it is disclosed in court. Probably hoping that it won't be widely refuted before a decision is reached and reducing the number of experts who could be called by IH to refute the report. It can't think of any reason to do this beyond the fact that it

Re: [Vo]:CNN: The largest U.S. coal company just filed for bankruptcy

I wrote: > 2. The total mass of coal needed to replace steel this would be much less > than the mass of coal we now burn. I estimate it would be roughly 1/5th. > World production of steel is 135 million tons per month or 1.620 billion > tons per year . . . > I realize that is a silly analysis.

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

There is another measure of performance that could be used to replace the ERV. The customer's electric meter shows how much electric power fed unto the E-Cat and the customer paid for the steam that the E-Cat produced. If the COP of the E-Cat is high enough, these gross input and output power

Re: [Vo]:Rossi states his reason for not publishing Penon report

Lennart Thornros wrote: > No Jed it is not incorrect to follow the advice of the lawyer you pay lots > of money to . . . > No lawyer would tell him that. He made that up. It is nonsense. Anyone knows that you can submit previously published information as part of a lawsuit.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi states his reason for not publishing Penon report

OK Jed, The reason provided might be false or misleading. Still to decide that they are proof for anything is jumping the gun On Apr 13, 2016 13:40, "Jed Rothwell" wrote: > Lennart Thornros wrote: > >> No Jed it is not incorrect to follow the advice

Re: [Vo]:CNN: The largest U.S. coal company just filed for bankruptcy

Jones Beene wrote: > Coal could be an ideal replacement for imported steel…that is, when it is > in the form of graphite fiber or nanotubes. Nanotubes are 10 times > stronger than steel by weight. A significant % of hot rolled steel comes > from abroad, and with enough

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Jed. "I hereby certify that this reactor produces anomalous heat with a COP exceeding 6. Please remit $89 million." That is a gross over simplification. It was the third part of a three part process and IH had representatives there for the whole year. The contract states that the ERV

Re: [Vo]:2nd "ERV" as well as being incomplete has obvious risks of being fraudulent.

Ian Walker wrote: 1) First of all according to what Jed Rothwell reports it was commissioned > solely and apparently secretly by IH with obvious risks of bias. > I did not say anything remotely like that! I just said IH sent experts, they wrote a report, and their report

Re: [Vo]:Rossi states his reason for not publishing Penon report

Lennart Thornros wrote: > Still to decide that they are proof for anything is jumping the gun > I do not understand who you mean is jumping the gun. Do you mean Rossi? Rossi has been saying for months that he will publish the report. Obviously he never intended to do that.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi states his reason for not publishing Penon report

Jed, If the ERV report supports IH, why have they not released it?

Re: [Vo]:Rossi states his reason for not publishing Penon report

This is a good point. IH can just as easily release the report. It's not just Rossi's reluctance. Craig On 04/13/2016 06:08 PM, a.ashfield wrote: Jed, If the ERV report supports IH, why have they not released it?

Re: [Vo]:Rossi states his reason for not publishing Penon report

Jed. "The Penon report is way more likely to be flawed. The guy is a certified idiot." That sounds libelous to me. Penon apparently got his Laureate degree with full marks. You are sounding biased. I suspect one could trawl through your earlier comments and find where you have made

Re: [Vo]:Rossi states his reason for not publishing Penon report

a.ashfield wrote: Jed. "The Penon report is way more likely to be flawed. The guy is a > certified idiot." > > That sounds libelous to me. Penon apparently got his Laureate degree with > full marks. > Don't be ridiculous. People accuse others of being idiots all the

[Vo]:Anyone have a TL;DR for what is going on with Rossi and reports and lawsuits?

A TL;DR is basically a short, in-a-nutshell type summary of what has been going on. Oh and The letters stand for Too Long; Didn't Read Sent from some iDevice. Written by Esa.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi states his reason for not publishing Penon report

a.ashfield wrote: If the ERV report supports IH, why have they not released it? I do not know why. I wish they would. I do not want to ask them why, because it is none of my business. I don't want to ask questions relating to a lawsuit. I prefer to stick to technical

Re: [Vo]:Rossi states his reason for not publishing Penon report

AA.If the ERV report supports IH, why have they not released it? Jed. I do not know why. I wish they would. I do not want to ask them why, because it is none of my business. I don't want to ask questions relating to a lawsuit. I prefer to stick to technical questions. That didn't stop you

Re: [Vo]:Rossi states his reason for not publishing Penon report

Jack Cole wrote: > Now he says it will be published after it is disclosed in court. Probably > hoping that it won't be widely refuted before a decision is reached and > reducing the number of experts who could be called by IH to refute the > report. > That would not reduce

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

But unfortunately Axil, there is nothing to compare the bill to. They set up the factory just for the test in contrast to many of Rossi's early statements on the matter (if I am recalling correctly). On Wed, Apr 13, 2016, 8:00 PM Axil Axil wrote: > There is another measure

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Axil Axil wrote: If the COP of the E-Cat is high enough, these gross input and output power > levels will show a COP over 6, > If the COP 8000 as claimed (80 times input) everyone in the building would be dead. That is easy to establish. Just look at the Google street view

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

I wrote: > A dry cleaner steam generator is ~10 kW. See: > > http://www.reimersinc.com/steam-boilers-garment > Here is a 750 kW boiler. I will grant, you could fit this boiler into the warehouse. You would then operate 75 steam presses from it, which is not possible:

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

The electrical input is defined by the cost of the power paid to the electric utility. The customer must have measured the amount of steam produced by the E-Cat in order to pay IH for that steam. On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 9:10 PM, Jack Cole wrote: > But unfortunately Axil,

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Sean True wrote: > In fact, it would fit in a modest living room. The dimensions are 6' > across, 6' high, and 7' long. > The interesting question is how would you use that much steam? > Using that much steam or heat in a small warehouse space would kill you, as I said. It