The Biot-Savart Law is a square law effect. You will see a cubic law drop off
for a bipolar configuration such as a bar magnet once you become removed from
the nearby pole. The field drop off rate due to a tiny differential current
element alone is second order.
Dave
-Original Mess
les of the void is the most
reasonable I've heard.
David Roberson:
I have a hangup about the conservation of momentum that
makes me skeptical of this device. My guess is that the thrust will be
shown to be an error once everything is taken into account
How much input power would it take to generate enough drive force to propel a
small spaceship? It appears we are speaking about many billions of watts under
the present conditions. I assume that future developments will improve the
performance, provided it is real.
Dave
-Origina
oid is the most reasonable I've heard.
I don't need no violation of any conservation law... just less unchecked
assumption (as for LENR).
2014-07-31 23:45 GMT+02:00 David Roberson :
I have a hangup about the conservation of momentum that makes me skeptical of
this device. My gues
pace drive
Dave, according to teh article they separated the power source and drive to
make sure that wasnt teh case.
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 2:45 PM, David Roberson wrote:
I have a hangup about the conservation of momentum that makes me skeptical of
this device. My guess is that the t
I have a hangup about the conservation of momentum that makes me skeptical of
this device. My guess is that the thrust will be shown to be an error once
everything is taken into account. The power to generate the large amount of RF
must enter the device from somewhere and that is likely the r
Of course microwave RF energy is a form of electrical power.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil
To: vortex-l
Sent: Thu, Jul 31, 2014 3:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Wired: Nasa validates 'impossible' space drive
The Ni/H reactor produces prodigious amounts of RF. This level of pro
Eric,
You can think of this solar concentration as a ratio of areas. Light from one
sun collected over an area is directed into an area that is 10,000 times
smaller. This is not too difficult if you consider that a circular collector
only needs to force the light into a smaller circle that
Jojo,
A lot depends upon how accurately the input energy can be determined. It would
surprise me to find that the welder has precise control upon the current and
voltage waveforms at that level and time frame. These types of devices are not
instrument quality and control of the leakage fields
e first step in the LENR
process.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:06 PM, David Roberson wrote:
Why call a crack one dimensional when it has a width associated with it? A
hole is more one dimensional.
Dave
Now, cracks actually can be studied, are they predominantly monodimensional as
Why call a crack one dimensional when it has a width associated with it? A
hole is more one dimensional.
Dave
Now, cracks actually can be studied, are they predominantly monodimensional as
it is probably desired- chennels or bidimensional, can cracking be controlled?
It has much to
diculed pseudoscience concepts: the LENR process.
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 7:16 PM, David Roberson wrote:
This is the type of discovery that tends to lead to new knowledge. Every model
is subject to being proven wrong in the future and this one may be heading in
that direction.
New and more po
This is the type of discovery that tends to lead to new knowledge. Every model
is subject to being proven wrong in the future and this one may be heading in
that direction.
New and more powerful instruments generally reveal fascinating marvels that no
one expects.
Dave
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fragments.The addition of magnetic
fields allows the interaction of the incoming entity to interact more often,
possibly by changing the 3-D structure with its interaction probability to a
2-D situation with higher probability of interaction.
Bob
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From: David Roberson
the linear momentum between decay products I would love to see it.
Bob
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From: David Roberson
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:31 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
When I take a step back I realize that it appears like a miracle for the energy
to always come
particles taking part in the NAE would be large--2x the J quantum
number of an excited a[pha particle.
If the temperature was to high the phonon coupling would not be possible. Too
cold would not work either. This could be called the Goldilocks spin dance
effect.
Bob
Sent from Win
t: Re: [Vo]:Dynamic nuclear polarization
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:27 PM, David Roberson wrote:
Jones makes a good argument that it is unlikely to eliminate all of the gammas
and I suspect he is correct.
The argument, which says that even if you obtain 99.9 percent efficiency,
you would
you have anything along
that line?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l
Sent: Fri, Jul 11, 2014 5:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Dynamic nuclear polarization
David Roberson wrote:
Is anyone aware of an experiment that actually involves fusion of D x D at low
When I take a step back I realize that it appears like a miracle for the energy
to always come out in small fractions of the total available. I have to ask
whether or not this unusual situation may be related to the conditions upon
which the reaction occurs. Is anyone aware of an experiment th
Jones,
I would expect the energy transfer to be in both directions. The big question
we are seeking an answer to is whether or not the energy difference steps are
much smaller than the full amount released by the reaction. I think Bob is
hoping that energy can be taken away in smaller chunks
I consider the Craven ball system an excellent vehicle to study. It reminds
me of the heating of a radium sample from the past which seemed to defy the
current physics models. Nuclear reactions were not understood at that time and
the conservation of energy appeared violated.
The question th
This is an interesting discussion about a powerful explosive material(50x
normal). Could it be that the military will go to lengths to keep this out of
the public use? I suspect that they would stagnate progress completely if they
have their chance. It is good that cars, air planes, and all
Bob,
The way you are describing the electromagnetic interactions below suggest that
they are a normal two way process. By this I mean that energy can be exchanged
in both directions so that it is possible for a nuclei in the low energy state
to be brought up to an excited state by external mea
Yeah, that is what I have been suspecting which should delay the light but not
neutrinos. Perhaps we have stumbled upon a form of CT scan using neutrinos and
light time differences to detect density of dust and gas between us and the
nova. All we need is for space to remain constant for a few
I agree that there should be no new physics involved except for some form of
unknown interaction between here and the source of the signals. I suppose we
are left with a question as to whether or not sufficient data is available
about closer super nova as compared with those far removed.
It wo
from Earth.
>Interesting idea.
>
>Would light just being absorbed in dust then re-emitted cause a delay (
>highly dispersive, though, I'd guess).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
>Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 7:15 AM
>
from Earth.
>Interesting idea.
>
>Would light just being absorbed in dust then re-emitted cause a delay (
>highly
dispersive, though, I'd guess).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
>Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 7:15 AM
>To: vo
As I have pointed out before on several occasions, a continuous charge function
that is in motion does not produce a far field radiation pattern. The shape
apparently assumed by Mills would not radiate due to this condition, but it is
not necessary for the motion of the distributed charges to b
ted vacuum
Interesting idea.
Would light just being absorbed in dust then re-emitted cause a delay ( highly
dispersive, though, I'd guess).
From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 7:15 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:A com
Consider the following: Light could be considered the passing of
electromagnetic fields through space. Certainly the wavelength gets much
larger as the frequency of the emission approaches zero Hertz. If you take
into account that the fact that the time of travel appears to be the same for
l
It appears that the wavelength emitted is mainly dependent upon the
frequency(hence energy) of the emission. Size of the radiator is not that
important since energy release is the main focus of the process.
I have been seeking a method of extracting stored gamma ray energy in smaller
units ins
If the device actually operates and generates energy then there will be a
source of that energy which can be determined. It might operate with tidal
variations or rotation of the earth.
Of course the gigantic size tends to diminish the value of the device unless
some way is found to extract fa
That is a good description of the status!
Dave
-Original Message-
From: James Bowery
To: vortex-l
Sent: Wed, Jun 4, 2014 12:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Swedish Professors Chomping at the Bit
We're at the magic stage.
Science, anyone skilled in the art can reproduce it.
Magic,
"It does not imply anything about other sources of magnetic fields."
Anything new from Rossi on magnetic fields produced by his invention?
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:57 AM, David Roberson wrote:
I do not recall seeing reference to this earlier. Rossi stated in his Journal
that
I do not recall seeing reference to this earlier. Rossi stated in his Journal
that he uses AC source power to control the ECAT. According to his words it
would be inefficient to convert the source power into DC when the heating
apparently is the main function of the current. This suggests tha
In the RF world emissions can be generated by antennas that are far shorter
than the wavelength of the radiation. The efficiency of the radiator becomes
lower as the size decreases but it emits non the less.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene
To: vortex-l
Sent: Sun, J
Are you confident that the electron motion can be so well defined? A point
charge moving around a nucleus at an accurately determined speed and location
has problems according to how I understand the quantum theory. Also, radiation
from an accelerating point charge would be extremely difficult
At least I got a lot of laughing from that satire. Of course I knew it was
insane to believe that any effect originating on the tiny earth could influence
the enormous sun, but unfortunately I have heard much nonsense from certain
scientists and considered that they might actually be capable of
And someone paid for this discovery? This ranks up there with some of the most
ignorant things I have heard during my lifetime.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Steve High
To: Vortex
Sent: Wed, May 28, 2014 10:25 am
Subject: [Vo]:Solar Panels Drain the Suns Energy Experts Say
As i
Eric,
If your description of the process is accurate then one must assume that the
nucleons become attracted and bound to each other as the fusion progresses.
This must be true because it will take energy equal to that which is radiated
in order to tear them apart again.
Perhaps the extreme m
Jones,
I believe that the term gamma ray is reserved for photons that originate from
the nucleus. The energy of these rays is not the criteria.
One would suppose that the energy contained within the radiation emitted by the
nucleus is determined by the energy steps between the stored quanta.
Bob,
I would expect the linear momentum to be conserved if the nucleus receives a
kick in the opposite direction to a single gamma. Dual gammas could balance
each other if emitted in opposite directions.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook
To: vortex-l
Sent: Thu, May 15,
Much depends upon how the reaction energy is stored within the nucleus. Does
anyone recall seeing good evidence that it is stored as spin energy of the
nucleons? Large nuclei such as nickel likely have much of the energy hidden
within the distribution of the protons and neutrons that can take
I vividly recall the forum BS. Many questions were asked concerning module
testing which they insisted was happening within their lab. Looking back now
I realize that they were shamelessly lying.
MY was hard on them in the forum and now I apologize to him/her for thinking
that he was out of
Gives me great confidence in the conclusions!
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Eric Walker
To: vortex-l
Sent: Tue, May 13, 2014 11:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Blockbuster Big Bang Result May Fizzle, Rumor Suggests
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 8:57 AM, H Veeder wrote:
http://news.sc
It appears that everyone that had anything to do with DGT will be tainted by
this unfortunate chapter in the book of cold fusion. I admit that I had great
hopes for them despite the mounting evidence against their actually having a
functioning product.
Perhaps future developments will be forth
teria.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio
Radar systems detect the target based upon the average power inc
This is certainly not the kind of news I was hoping to hear. We need some good
news from the Rossi tests. How much longer must we wait?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l
Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 8:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Interview with Mats Lewan On
risk criteria.
Bob
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From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio
Radar systems detect the target based upon the average power incident upon
it. Th
n Mon, May 12, 2014 at 11:44 AM, David Roberson wrote:
Much depends upon how your mechanism causes the harm. If heat is the problem,
then the average power is important. Microwave cooking depends upon heating to
prepare the meal. The instantaneous peak power might be able to ignite a fast
a
ks you out. Or maybe it is more like the quickness of
Mohammad Ali.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqMXpziDJsM
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 3:18 PM, David Roberson wrote:
What do you suppose the purpose of the H term is? It is referred to as pulse
length in the equation. If I choose to make it
(target character)
L = signal loss factors associated with attenuation and receiver detection
Z = target reflectivity
= transmitted energy wavelength
R = target range
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 2:52 PM, David Roberson wrote:
ChemE,
You can operate the radar at that power level
sease and all of our f&^%ing wildlife is
suffering AND NOBODY SEEMS TO KNOW WHY
Oh, and read this and get back to me in a month, once you have actually done
some of your own research, OK?
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 12:13 PM, David Roberson wrote:
ChemE,
You need to research
don
reflexes such as knee and ankle jerks become overactive. Over time, the
ability to control voluntary movement can be lost.
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:57 AM, David Roberson wrote:
Radar systems detect the target based upon the average power incident upon it.
This is due to th
On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 11:01 PM, David Roberson wrote:
The specifications for the radar system below are typical of a pulsed radar
system and not what I would expect from a standard Doppler radar. The duty
cycle appears to be .1% for the unit listed whereas a Doppler radar is CW. The
at the speed of light,
right? A lot goes on in nature in 1/1000 of a second that we don't even see.
On Sunday, May 11, 2014, David Roberson wrote:
The specifications for the radar system below are typical of a pulsed radar
system and not what I would expect from a standard Doppl
The specifications for the radar system below are typical of a pulsed radar
system and not what I would expect from a standard Doppler radar. The duty
cycle appears to be .1% for the unit listed whereas a Doppler radar is CW. The
average power is 1300 watts of RF into the antenna, I assume.
Could he be hoping for a place holder where he can fill in the blanks later?
The further into the future he receives a valid patent, the longer he will be
able to keep the royalties flowing. The initial filing might be used to
establish priority.
Dave
-Original Message-
From
I am skeptical of this one James.
It has always amazed me how a tsunami can travel at hundreds of miles per hour
across the open sea while normal sea waves move much slower. Something of a
similar nature might occur with electromagnetic waves as far as I know. Could
this system work in a sim
Also works with aol mail.
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l
Sent: Mon, May 5, 2014 5:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan book reviews
Bob Cook wrote:
It got through to me.
Because you use hotmail.com.
- Jed
You mention thermonic emission as being fairly inefficient. That made me
wonder how effeicient it would be if the emitting surface were well insulated
from the outside world. What if the radiation loss, the convection loss and
conduction losses could be essentially eliminated by good design pr
If hydrogen is the output gas derived from oxygen, how much risk is there for
explosion? The mixture of these gases is highly explosive at just about any
concentration of hydrogen.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Steve High
To: vortex-l
Sent: Fri, May 2, 2014 8:31 am
Subject:
s free to move w/o being influenced by other charged
entities in the lattice.
-Mark
From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 7:57 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Electron Repulsion Versus Distance
We have been disc
Seems like a pretty good plan. But then future generations might have to worry
about the big crunch if the balance is not achieved.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene
To: vortex-l
Sent: Wed, Apr 30, 2014 2:53 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:QHO and CMB
From:David Roberson
Too bad that you would be reading very old news Axil! By this time that alien
and likely his species has become extinct.
You need a better link.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil
To: vortex-l
Sent: Wed, Apr 30, 2014 12:47 pm
Subject: [Vo]:let’s get quantum digital
Jones,
If we discover how to put ZPE to work, does that by definition suggest that we
are extracting energy from the vacuum that would have been directed toward
expansion of the universe? This leads to an interesting mind experiment.
Suppose a method is conceived of that allows one to extrac
We have been discussing spin coupling as one element that might allow LENR to
proceed without dangerous radiation emissions. And, it is well known that
super conductive materials use Cooper pairs of electrons to operate.
The fact that a pair of electrons can work together even though they are
Yeah, that is how it was determined to exist in the first place. Now I wonder
if the actual process leading to the force that drives the stars apart is CMB
radiation? The thought is that CMB exists throughout the universe and is
approximately equal in all directions of propagation. It is basi
Here is another interesting question to ponder. If dark matter interacts with
other dark matter, is that the source of dark energy? This thought is along
the lines of: Conservation of Dark Matter and Energy. E=M*c*c where the M is
dark matter and E is dark energy.
If, as we appear to be cons
Good question. If dark matter and dark energy exist then they must have
consequences. The researchers may have been looking in the wrong places thus
far.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene
To: vortex-l
Sent: Mon, Apr 28, 2014 2:06 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Is the CMB leak
A thought just came to me while considering alternate explanations for the CMB.
Dark matter is assumed to be distributed throughout the universe and is
supposed to clump together around galaxy centers and other large massive
objects. I have long wondered how this congregation of material could
n interesting observation of Hotson, if
it is valid which it seems to be.
I wonder what school Hotson was at when they silenced him?
Bob Cook
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 8:22 AM
Subject: Re:
This is an interesting paper. It is good reading for those of us that wonder
if current theory is flawed.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook
To: vortex-l
Sent: Fri, Apr 25, 2014 11:19 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:They're finally catching up!
Thanks Terry--
I could not find an
It would be far better to generate that electricity via an LENR system. Too
bad that those engineers are not focused upon our industry instead of one that
will cost infinitely more. And, the money that will be spent on research would
go far toward optimizing LENR.
The sooner that Rossi and co
>The strong magnetic fields that accompany sunspots may be a consequence of the
nuclear reactions, rather than the cause.<
Or it could be that the two work together in a positive feedback fashion
leading to large magnetic field lines and increased nuclear reactions.
Dave
-Original
Once I thought that science was a beautiful and honest endeavor. The
principles that it embraces appear wondrous when viewed from an idealistic
point of view. Perhaps that ideal is still accurate when one observes the
behavior of individual inventors or small groups that operate without the
i
inertia
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 9:43 AM, David Roberson wrote:
I hope this short description of how I model the ECAT operation helps to
clarify the process. If you have additional questions please feel free to ask.
When you were modeling the thermodynamics of the reaction, did you use a
Yes, we have attempted to get Rossi to try active cooling of some type for it
seems like ever! I have a suspicion that some time in the future it will
appear and he will be seeing a COP that is significantly higher than he now
entertains. Of course, it is far easier to supply just one mode and
I agree that most people run into a mental roadblock when they try to
understand how thermal input that is of much smaller magnitude than that which
is generated by the ECAT is capable of controlling the reaction. It seems
obvious that a small portion of the output could simply find its way bac
ravity.com/news/space/eugene-podkletnov-on-antigravity.html
Steve High
On Apr 12, 2014, at 8:34 PM, David Roberson wrote:
This is an interesting subject about which I would like more information. I
have read a couple of papers that suggest that a large current discharge
through a sup
Perhaps there is a reaction of the type you are describing Jones. I cling to
the classical ideas about COE and might overlook this system.
My reason for asking about the hydrocarbon was that it is contains a great deal
of hydrogen that must be stripped away from the carbon when burned. Once fr
Jones,
I am having a difficult time following your example. The diagram illustrating
the energy balance appears to add up properly to me.
If you take another reaction, such as burning of a liquid hydrocarbon, does
your technique still demonstrate an unbalance? Any time I see a process that
v
This is an interesting subject about which I would like more information. I
have read a couple of papers that suggest that a large current discharge
through a superconductor can generate an apparent momentum kick to nearby
objects but it is difficult to accept without plenty of skepticism. Do
If the Rossi has the proper control of his device established and positive
thermal feedback of adequate gain is achieved then the COP should not be an
issue. It will be difficult to control the system if thermal delays dominate
the feedback timing or other variables complicate the transfer of h
>High strength magnetism will produce vigorous nuclearreactions, whereas a
>relatively week field will produce a borderline effectthat are hard to
>detect.
And I suspect that positive feedback magnetic coupling among the sites
associated with the energy release mechanism allows that field
Ahern.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan book : An Impossible Invention
Jed,
You seem convinced that DGT does not have positive results for their device
Jed,
You seem convinced that DGT does not have positive results for their device.
Have you seen evidence that they are measuring a COP of 1?
If this is not true, then would you refer to their performance as being less
than they have announced and DGT is therefore not willing to place that in t
Axil,
Sometimes you must trust the companies with which you do business. Why work
with some group that you think might cheat you?
I suspect that most of the folks on this list have been on the losing end of a
contract before. Jed acted in good faith and they failed to reciprocate. That
is n
Just wanted to add one minor thought to the discussion. Could it be that the
breaking up of the D into pieces might actually take energy from the system
that is then added back by a relatively minor amount of more or less standard H
reaction with nickel? The implications of such a process are
The main problem I see with this line of reasoning is that Rossi and DGT are
getting positive results. Why would that happen unless the normal hydrogen
reacts with nickel directly? There may well be a reaction of D taking place
within the system, and if singular hydrogen is the result, then th
Thanks Jed. I reviewed the slides and find them most interesting. Slide 23
shows the metal after activation. Does the HV discharge lead to bubbles or are
the visible structures holes left in the metal? Could bubbles be a result of
local melting of the nickel followed by surface tension drawi
Bob,
Mu Metal is quite often used in shielding applications. The best description
that I recall is that it soaks up the stray magnetic flux passing near a closed
region due to it large permeability. It makes sense if you consider the total
magnetic flux passing through a volume as approximate
I hope they do not resort to covert activity to prevent the deployment. This
should not be initiated unless LENR devices begin to show up in large numbers.
I suspect that the window will be relatively small and may not have any serious
impact.
After all, how much more effective can those guy
gy.
I have indicated that spin coupling among electrons and nuclei may be involved
in the distribution of small packets of energy without damage to the NAE
structure.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 2
) of coherence in my mind.
Thanks Frank.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier
I understand that a steady magnetic field can not add energy
ence to an Electromagnetic Barrier?
Dave
-Original Message-----
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l
Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 11:39 am
Subject: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier
We hear so much chatter about the Coulomb barrier and how difficult it is to
overcome for fusion events to occur. Perhaps
We hear so much chatter about the Coulomb barrier and how difficult it is to
overcome for fusion events to occur. Perhaps we should consider it as an
electromagnetic barrier instead. There is plenty of reason to suspect that a
magnetic component of force is active along with the electric comp
pass with his Hot Cat.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:More on the Mizuno presentation
Bob, I agree that he could consider doing exactly what you describe and
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:More on the Mizuno presentation
I interpret Rossi's discussion of the jet engine as referring to a turbine
generator and not an actual aviation application.
The balls display an excellent example of gyroscopic motion. Rotation about
the axis connecting the balls results in a vector of angular momentum along
that axis. Movement of that axis by rotation of the balls upon the surface
causes a torque to be exerted which raises the connecting axis to
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