Re: [Vo]:The WD Files on Rossi (1 of 4) - Introduction
Yes! I have personal experience as a channel, and have studied Jane Roberts' Seth books since 1973, and Jesus' A Course In Miracles since 1977. Your introduction is spot on, truthful, complete, and helpful. Lively Communion -- invoking mutual meditative exploration: Rich Murray 1993 April, 2001.06.22, 2011.02.14 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011_02_01_archive.htm Monday, February 14, 2011 [ at end of each long page, click on Older Posts ] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rmforall/messages/103 [you may have to Copy and Paste URLs into your browser] Lively Communion -- invoking mutual meditative exploration: Rich Murray 1993 April, 2001.06.22, 2011.02.14 1. INTRODUCTION: We now join in exploring the co-creation of an open ended process of mutual meditative exploration. We call this Lively Communion. God. That word. May it refer to something real, to our actual experience. As fabled lovers leap from terra firma into abyss, we hold mental hands and fall together into openness, into space, into the intimate unknown, into peace, bliss, and power. Naturally, it is effortless, spontaneous, yet surprising and vigorous, a white water rafting of two souls. We journey, mostly, with open eyes, and open "I's". And, most humanly, we talk and talk -- but mainly about what is happening right now... This is Lively Communion. Let us agree to cooperate in allowing it to happen now, in this very writing and reading
Re: [Vo]:The WD Files on Rossi (2 of 4) - Interview Transcript March 5 2011
Each of us exists always as all of spontaneous single entire unified creative fractal hyperinfinity. In simple language, individual awareness-being is God awareness-being.
Re: [Vo]:The WD Files on Rossi (3 of 4) - Interview Transcript June 9 2011
Anyone read a good science fiction story "Noise Level" -- the military fakes the crash and burning of a one-man levitation belt, killing the inventor during a poorly filmed video -- a great physicist is put to work, leading a lavishly funded team to rediscover the lost effect. He finds that the inventor's lab is a complete chaos of equipment, junk, and cryptic notes. Nothing makes the slightest sense. After months of fruitless chasing after dead ends, he wakes from a troubled sleep, with a vague dream inspiration that there could be a subtle violation of conservation of energy. He ends up with a new paradigm for physics. After a year more and billions of dollars, his demo features a device weighing 10,000 tons and using the power of a city to rise up 3 cm for a minute. Then the "dead" inventor walks on stage -- an actor hired to help make the fake movie to inspire the best people to undertake an arduous search with an initial high random noise level of information, freeing their minds of preconceptions.
Re: [Vo]:The WD Files on Rossi (4 of 4) - Personal Assessments & Conclusions
Excellent -- playful, teasing communications open up entirely unexpected possibilities in science and human experience Rich Murray 505-819-7388 Rich.Murray11 at Skype
Re: [Vo]:The WD Files on Rossi (3 of 4) - Interview Transcript June 9 2011
Hello Daniel, I'm guessing you're being humorous, but I'm not sure what you mean to say, factually and emotionally... On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > The intro was nice. But damn, "thanks" for the spoiling! Damn you!
Re: [Vo]:The WD Files on Rossi (1 of 4) - Introduction
O my Gawd...
Re: [Vo]:The WD Files on Rossi (3 of 4) - Interview Transcript June 9 2011
Thanks for clarification -- the story long ago made a vivid impression on me, and helped me gradually understand and experience that past-present-future timelines are an infinite manifold of simultaneous probable total world-line histories, in which every point interacts creatively and intimately directly with every other point... i.e. no stable evidence in a hyper-dream...
Re: [Vo]:The WD Files on Rossi (3 of 4) - Interview Transcript June 9 2011
Raymond F. Jones >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Raymond Fisher Jones (November 15, 1915 - January 24, 1994) was an American science fiction author. He is best known for his 1952 novel, This Island Earth, which was adapted into the 1955 film This Island Earth. Contents [hide] 1 Career 2 Bibliography: Novels and Collections 3 Short stories 4 References 5 External links [edit]Career Jones was born at Salt Lake City, Utah, and he was a Mormon from birth.[1] His career was at its peak during the 1940s, 1950s, and 1960s. His stories were published mainly in magazines such as Thrilling Wonder Stories, Astounding Stories, and Galaxy. His short story Noise Level is known as one of his best works. His short story "The Alien Machine", first published in the June, 1949 Thrilling Wonder Stories, was later expanded into the novel This Island Earth, along with two other short stories, "The Shroud of Secrecy", and "The Greater Conflict", known as The Peace Engineers Trilogy, featuring the character Cal Meacham. Jones also wrote the story upon which the episode "The Children's Room" was based for the television program Tales of Tomorrow in 1952. He died at Sandy, Utah, in 1994. "Noise Level" Astounding Science Fiction, December 1952 Stories for Tomorrow, ed. William Sloane, Funk & Wagnalls, 1954 Best SF 5, ed. Edmund Crispin, Faber & Faber, 1963 Spectrum 5, ed. Kingsley Amis & Robert Conquest, Gollancz, 1966 The Astounding-Analog Reader, Volume Two, ed. Harry Harrison & Brian W. Aldiss, Doubleday, 1973 The Edward De Bono Science Fiction Collection, ed. George Hay, The Elmfield Press, 1976
Re: [Vo]:The WD Files on Rossi (2 of 4) - Interview Transcript March 5 2011
and the experience is rather contagious...
Re: [Vo]:Okay, suppose there is only 800 W input with no anomalous heat
Yep...
Re: [Vo]:Okay, suppose there is only 800 W input with no anomalous heat
Nice... well, high time for a few of Rossi's trusted friends to ensure that he is alerted quickly...
[Vo]:no excess heat in June 14 Rossi demo, as no invisible dry steam at end of hose, just feeble mist, perhaps liquid water -- many unbiased critical comments on Vortex-L: Rich Murray 2011.06.25
no excess heat in June 14 Rossi demo, as no invisible dry steam at end of hose, just feeble mist, perhaps liquid water -- many unbiased critical comments on Vortex-L: Rich Murray 2011.06.25 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011_06_01_archive.htm Saturday, June 25, 2011 [at end of each long page, click on Older Posts] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/86 [you may have to Copy and Paste URLs into your browser] __ I've suggested Rossi, searching blindly the last 2-3 years for a way to prevent thermal runaway, has stumbled into using an input electric power that vaporizes some of the water flow, without initiating any nuclear reactions, while managing to believe that the output mist is "visible steam", as he clearly stated at the end of the 13:24 minute video demo by Steven Krivit June 14, 2011... After 11:00 minutes, Rossi lifts up the last 1 m of the 3 m black water outlet hose, then drains water from the end of the hose into the blue bucket, then shows the end of the hose against a black sweater -- clearly the white mist slowly coming directly from the end of the hose is not steam, which is invisible, but water mist. This proves that very little steam must be coming out of the reactor at the start of the 3 m hose. Both water and water mist are flowing at 7 liters per hour, 1.94 cubic centimeter per second [ 7/3600 = .001.94 liters per second ]. If all the water was turned into steam, that would be 1.94X1700 = 3300 cc per second of steam, 3.3 liters per second from a hose with an inside diameter of about 2 cm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-8QdVwY98E 13:24 minutes June 14, 2011 2011 - Andrea Rossi Explains His Energy Catalyzer Uploaded by StevenKrivit on Jun 20, 2011 Link to New Energy Times reports: http://tinyurl.com/4362kl9 "Steam": 11:30 [ mist emerging feebly directly from 3 m black hose after 11:00 minutes... ] https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#inbox/130c0c7a4f3af693 10:45 minutes June 14, 2011 2011 - Andrea Rossi Crunches the Numbers for His Energy Catalyzer Uploaded by StevenKrivit on Jun 23, 2011 Link to New Energy Times reports: http://tinyurl.com/4362kl9 https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?hl=en&shva=1#sent/130af02b8ad0f43e fromRich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com to vortex-l@eskimo.com dateMon, Jun 20, 2011 at 7:01 PM subject Re: [Vo]:[Video] Andrea Rossi Explains His Energy Catalyzer (NET - June 14, 2011) Jun 20 (5 days ago) I agree the gas flow out the end of the black hose seems to be visible right at the end -- whereas steam would be invisible for a short distance. Trained as a dishwasher since age 10, 80 miles E of Houston, Texas, I am sure that hot water gives off mist in low altitude, warm, humid climates. Rossi seems to be saying that "cool" steam is slightly visible as a mist, while "hot" steam is invisible! All steam is invisible, by definition. Rossi seems to me to be natural, relaxed, matter of fact, genuine. Isn't it possible for the pump to fill the reactor up totally with water, which would then overflow and exit as water just below boiling, or water exactly at boiling, mixed with variable amounts of steam? Would any bubbling at the outlet of the reactor be audible? How noisy is the background? Since about 1 m of the hose lies on the floor, before rising about1.5 m to pass through a hole in the wall, wouldn't that part of the hose on the floor fill up completely with water, with a flow of 7 kg/hour? How much pressure results from the 1.5 m rise in the hole? Also the hose on the floor, if full to 1.5 m, would be equally full on both arms of its "U" bend... If so, then would that ensure that all steam is condensed while passing through a full "U" bend? How much output heat is there if very little of the water is boiled within the reactor? My guess is that the Rossi team actually don't have a clue about what is happening between the device outlet and the far end of the hose. https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?hl=en&shva=1#sent/130b2661426493fb fromRich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com to vortex-l@eskimo.com dateWed, Jun 22, 2011 at 9:52 PM subject Re: [Vo]:E-Cat proven to be a hoax? Jun 22 (3 days ago) Well, maybe Rossi has spent 2 or 3 years with a setup that really generates gross excess heat energy from LENR, but is explosively unstable -- as the temperature is raised to the level that initiates LENR, the resulting gross nuclear energy release, naturally, immediately rises so steeply as to overwhelm such control parameters as H2 pressure, H2O flow, heat input from electric heater -- finally, he finds a setup that generates 6 to 12 times more energy than input heat, BUT -- 1. he started assuming complete boiling of the water flow into dry steam, whereas actually only a small fraction of the water is ever boiled in his stable runs, so that, 2. the claimed output heat is exaggerated by 6 to 12
Re: [Vo]:Looks like steam to me (I agree with Jed again)
If visible, it is no longer steam -- the H2O vapor has given up its heat of vaporization and become nano to micro droplets. So, we have no evidence about how much steam exits directly from the Rossi device into the hose. The fact that the outflow is always 100 C indicates presence of water mist and liquid.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi responds to "movie professor" and Peter Ekstrom's analysis
Ad hominem responses are always confirmations that the responder is unable to support his position with evidence and reason... Lack of playful humor is another sign. Abd and Jed have shown this too, in recent days.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi responds to "movie professor" and Peter Ekstrom's analysis
Joshua Cude's most recent 2 posts are excellent, lucid, crisp, point by point, spot on, concise, pertinent -- they deserve reading and rereading. He mobilizes the available evidence to show a great likelihood that the outflow includes a lot of liquid water and mist, and therefore no evidence of mysterious excess heat. The Rossi team will have to concede... no cat in the catalyser bag.
[Vo]:Re: Ad Hominem against Joshua Cude, or is that "Ad Pseudonym" against "Joshua Cude" ?
Re: Ad Hominem against Joshua Cude, or is that "Ad Pseudonym" against "Joshua Cude" ? https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&shva=1#label/Fusion2011/130bdafaefd392d9 Jed said to Joshua: "So you will stick to the Krivit demo and ignore the others. You look at one piece of data at a time while ignoring other pieces. That is a common technique used by people who are determined to deny reality." Rich: This is denigrating Joshua. https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&shva=1#label/Fusion2011/130bf3abecbfc708 On June 23 -- I believe Jed later admitted to getting too heated: "You can nitpick Rossi. Anyone can. But you cannot find an error in any mainstream scientific paper. You never have, you never will. You are a faker. A pseudo-skeptic true believer! You think the laws of thermodynamics are wrong, but you have no reason. You think you can compare a Loch Ness photo to SRI calorimetry and that's a valid argument. You don't get a free pass. Anyone can see you have zero credibility. I am sick of your puerile nonsense. I will not respond to you again. If you ever have the guts to write a real paper, let us know." https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&shva=1#label/Fusion2011/130b734895c2f2ec Abd, June 22, talking about Joshua, actually is pretty skeptical about the Rossi claims: "The Krivit video does not show the steam production rate, that's the problem. It shows what's left after the steam runs through three meters of rubber hose. We know that steam will condense in this hose, and some estimates have been made of how much. It's quite enough to explain that weak showing. All this means is that the demo is a piece of crap. It would only convince someone who is inclined to believe. It is not in any way proof that the E-Cat is *not* producing excess power. That conclusion would only come from someone who is inclined to disbelieve. My sense, from the weak steam coming out of the end, is that what seems to be marginal at the end is an indication that more power is being generated than the input electrical power, but I'd not want to claim that this demo shows that, it's way too shaky. The sad thing about this is that a convincing demo -- absent true and serious fraud -- could be easily done. I've pointed out many times that there is no way, with a demo controlled by the inventor or close allies of the inventor, to rule out a sophisticated fraud. But the demo Krivit video'd, that isn't a "sophisticated fraud," it's an obviously deficient demo! If Rossi were interested in fooling people, he could manage much better than this! Look, Rossi, attacking Krivit, looks like a complete nut case. Jed excuses this as an idiosyncracy of an inventor. Maybe. I'm skeptical. I suspect that Rossi is smarter than that, that he knows how he looks and is deliberately creating the impressions that he's creating. I can think of a number of reasons for this, both psychological and practical or economic. And, of course, none of this helps us to actually know how much power this kitten is producing. Kullander and Essen did see a more convincing demo, and apparently did see (directly) the quality of the steam, at least at one point. Unfortunately, their report doesn't allow us to rule out that significant water may have been flowing out the outlet tube, consider the possibility that their inspection of this tube was controlled precisely how Rossi controlled it with Krivit. Measuring steam quality with their meter, even if it actually worked for that purpose, would not rule out this water flow problem. I love it, in a way. The situation causes many observers to reveal their biases, by how they respond. However, I'll caution myself that Rothwell, for example, does claim to have private information that he trusts, and private information can create an appearance of "bias." Still, Jed's attachment to the "expert testimony" here is not a good sign, I urge him to quickly climb down from that! The sooner the better! It's fascinating to me that the Levi paper included detailed information about the calibration of the fundamentally irrelevant radiation measurements, and nothing, in fact, on the steam quality measurements. The results of those measurements was not even reported, it was merely *implied* that the issue was addressed. And then everone is falling all over themselves over whether the non-reported measurements were based on mass or volume! It would be like arguing over the result of zero divided by zero. Hey! my result checks correctly and perfectly, therefore your different result is wrong!" Rich: So I couldn't manage to find any quotes by Abd that were Ad Psdudonym against Joshua, so I retract that claim and regret my error and remind myself how very easy it is to shift into criticizing and judging our fellows... I like his humorous, wry appreciation of how we all get tangled up in the Rossi web. In mutual service, Rich
Re: [Vo]:Rossi responds to "movie professor" and Peter Ekstrom's analysis
nothing to get all steamed up about...
Re: [Vo]:Re: Ad Hominem against Joshua Cude, or is that "Ad Pseudonym" against "Joshua Cude" ?
I was concerned there might be a group think dynamic of applying dismissive labels to Joshua Cude to establish a group social norm of just dismissing an extremely capable person who brings unusual clarity and celerity of thought to our table...
Re: [Vo]:Krivit's Napoli visit? To all Italian-reading Vorts
This team was competent enough to dismiss their own excess energy claims. Transmutations and isotope shifts may well be the most convincing evidence for low levels of LENR -- widely reported in a variety of setups -- has this area been reviewed in detail? -- Joshua Cude, where are you, we need you...
Re: [Vo]:Re: Ad Hominem against Joshua Cude, or is that "Ad Pseudonym" against "Joshua Cude" ?
!!! Abd, I enjoyed the clarity, flow, eloquence, dignity, and reasonableness of your sharing. You cast a net that readily includes me and Joshua Cude. Again, I submit that the many setups that report transmutations and isotopic shifts are the easiest and swiftest routes to repeatable runs that generate samples that can be precisely examined in the micro to nano region by competent labs forever -- hopefully, many samples have been archived since 1989 and from previous anomaly reports. One barrier is cost. But in our world hundreds of thousands of people are showing interest this year in LENR -- couldn't a wiki group be evolved to sell stock as a reasonable profit public service corporation to specifically finance accurate testing of samples with complete open to the public real-time access to all aspects of daily operations, including a searchable archive of all public comments? I have a brilliant friend who already owns a scanning electron microscope and has his own supercomputer, made of 23 wirelessly networked computers. Probably, certain venture capitalists would be willing to help launch this. Within a month, samples from a few setups can be tested -- Rossi, Dash, SPAWAR, your DPd electrolysis runs, "milk tree" corrosion in high density polyethylene high voltage runs -- verified anomalies would generate specific data for theorizing, and galvanize science exponentially. Sell books, videos, and feature length films to expand financing. How can ownership and patent rights be protected for the world public good? I think his friends should explain to Rossi that he has to immediately verify dry steam output in one of his cells. Whether or not the excess heat claim fails, the possibility of transmutations can be quickly explored -- after all, what time and cost does it take to run a few expert micro and nano measures? I went to a few Landmark events with our wonderful friend in early 1995, and thought they were a typical cult group think process, like Mormon Church, early Christian Science, Arica Training, Da Free John, TM, Andrew Cohen, Scientology, blue green algae, Atkins Diet, Gary Renard, Endeavor Academy in Wisconsin, early Naropa Institute, Rajneesh, Muktananda, Babaji, Dahn Yoga -- as unpredictably dangerous and beneficial as anything else in actual life -- no way I would devote my limited funds -- my experience is that such groups always expel me fairly quickly -- so for decades I just visit and run -- EST evolved into The Forum evolved into Landmark -- exponential multilevel schemes are a fatal symptom -- if not democratic without secrets, I would never join -- I am keenly interested in how you apply it. In mutual service, Rich
Re: [Vo]:Re: Ad Hominem against Joshua Cude, or is that "Ad Pseudonym" against "Joshua Cude" ?
Hello Abd, I wanted to offer more re the most important part of your post here yesterday: "I just finished the Landmark Education Advanced Course, and one of the Landmark "distinctions" is "Life is empty and meaningless and it is empty and meaningless that "life is empty and meaningless." Yet "what happened" is real, it is only our *interpretations* of what happened that leave behind reality. When they say that life is empty and meaningless, they are not claiming that this is "true," but that it is useful as a "distinction" that allows us to leave behind the traps of belief in assumed or created meaning. This is not mere philosophy in Landmark, it's demonstrated and observed and learned as a functional distinction that is liberating. Landmark is considered by some to be a "cult." It's been fascinating for me to explore this, I can easily understand why some would think that. Rich, someone we both know very well has long been involved with Landmark. Were you ever invited to check it out? If so, what happened?" It sounds like you have been quickly guided into direct experience within ordinary identity awareness into the enlightment "level" of "emptiness" as aware presence -- the pearl of great price, waiting to be found within the empty field, as Jesus of Nazarus put it. The first daily lesson of A Course In Miracles, dictated by Jesus, starting in October, 1965, "Nothing I see (perceive, feel, sense, recall, think, imagine) means anything." http://www.nonduality.com/ free info on all aspects of this level of exploration of experience What is, surely, is "ising", so "I sing" Each of us is already always all ways single entire unified creative fractal hyperinfinity So, to each and all, I sing "I accept all of your power I let you all the way in to share spontaneously at every level and aspect for fun and the best service of all open to inspiration and guidance forgiving and leaving behind all previous notions..." The fundamental practice of Buddhism is to cultivate awareness that experience is 1. always changing, with no fundamental causality (codependent coorigination) 2. unable to satisfy 3. unable to confirm the actual existence of any individual self within person, place, process, anything Miracles magically saturate both ordinary and scientific processes In mutual service, Rich
Re: [Vo]:Re: Ad Hominem against Joshua Cude, or is that "Ad Pseudonym" against "Joshua Cude" ?
http://www.jcim.net/acim_us/Acim.php for free access to entire manuscript and adroit commentaries Course In Miracles Society
[Vo]:students made 17 foot size blimp with remote control and camera in 2005 -- plans for big ones near space: Rich Murray 2011.07.01
students made 17 foot size blimp with remote control and camera in 2005 -- plans for big ones near space: Rich Murray 2011.07.01 http://www.sciencedaily.com/videos/2005/0904-blimps_in_space.htm
Re: [Vo]:Lots of good information in Defkalion forum, mixed in with lots of nonsense
Well, Jed, If I soon have to stuff my hat with crow and eat it, I'll deign to dine with great satisfaction... In mutual service, Rich
Re: [Vo]:It Wasn't Just the Tsunami
Jed, I second that !
Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms
Ed Storms posted: 1. Not all of the water is turned to steam. If applied power is making all of steam, the following would be observed. Applied power = 745 watt Flow rate = 7 liter/hr = 1.94 g/sec Power to heat water to 100° = 73°*4.18*1.94 = 592 watt Power to make steam = 745 - 592 = 153 watt Amount of steam produced = 153/2270 = 0.07g/sec out of 1.94 g/sec = 3.4 % of water flow. The chimney would fill with water through which steam would bubble. The extra water would flow into the hose and block any steam from leaving. As the water cooled in the hose, the small amount of steam would quickly condense back to water. Consequently, the hose would fill with water that would flow out the exit at the same rate as the water entered the e-Cat. CONCLUSION: No steam would be visible at the end of the hose, which is not consistent with observation. Rich Murray: Some heat is lost by radiation and convection from the device and the hose. There may be only enough heat to vaporize a tiny fraction of the water, as evidenced by the steady 100.1 C temperature of the water exiting the device into the hose. No evidence for invisible steam at the output of the device has been shown. The system, device and hose, would be full of water from the pump outlet to the device to the end of the hose in the wall, dribbling water at 2 cc/sec, while any tiny bubbles of steam would have been condensed back into the water in the hose. This is a system that would behave as a continuous siphon, with rate of flow controlled by the input pump, from the input pump and electric heater device on the table to the hose on the floor and all the way to the hose end in the drain, about half the height of the table. Rossi and associates may have become adept at adjusting the system to behave in this way, allowing delusional claims of excess energy produced by vaporization, while maintaining a stable process for hours, presenting convincing appearances for those who are motivated to be convinced. At the end of the very warm hose, which was emptied into the drain, when Rossi lifted it before detaching it and raising it up for display, only a slight mist appeared for a few seconds -- evidence for a small amount of very warm saturated air encountering the cooler air outside the tube. Storms and many others have misread the slight mist shown for a few seconds in the video.
Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms
MISTer Joshua Cude, you are, as always, right... No evidence at all for excess heat production...
Re: [Vo]:Feedback, formally - Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms
Abd, I agree with your proposal for sharing one's honest assessments, while always being open to consider evidence and reason on both sides of the issue -- in my case, I never require courteous sharings from others, only from myself... In mutual service, Rich
Re: [Vo]:Suppose the DoE were testing a device instead of the Greek Min. of Energy
If I had been an ideological skeptic, certain all CF claims were bogus, erroneous, delusional or fraudulent, I would have been much quicker to see the obvious unproven aspects of the January 14 Rossi demo, and the consistent pattern of unproven claims in all the demos since. (I've always been ready to accept that CF or LENR is real.) The blaring announcements of Defkalion fit this pattern rather well. House of cards processes are notable in history. The null hypothesis so far has not been falsified by facts...
[Vo]:proposed electric heat only scheme for Rossi demos re heat and explosions: Rich Murray 2011.07.07
proposed electric heat only scheme for Rossi demos re heat and explosions: Rich Murray 2011.07.07 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011_07_01_archive.htm Thursday, July 7, 2011 [ at end of each long page, click on Older Posts ] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/89 [ you may have to Copy and Paste URLs into your browser ] __ http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/Report2-372-EnergyCatalyzerScientificCommunicationAndEthicsIssues.shtml I examined the 2011.06.14 13:24 minute Krivit-Rossi demo video, frame by frame for 13 frames, while the end of the black hose was held against a black sweater, from 11:26 to 11:39 -- I estimated from the normal speed video that the frame rate was about 5 frames per second. The views in seconds 11:35, 11:36, 11:37 show the shadow of the black hose outlet end against the black sweater, with the left edge of the upward moving mist clearly visible in all three frames rising up and slanting more to the left, right from the very end of the hose. Someone skillful could get all the frames, and image process them into an enhanced slow-motion video, allowing fairly accurate estimates of velocities and volume of the moving, expanding mist. In order for invisible steam to condense into the very tiny droplets of water that make up visible hot mist, all the heat of vaporization has to be absorbed by air or radiated. Within the black tube, as the flow of steam reaches the end, if it has already expanded by a volume factor of 2 from the inlet of the black tube, then its temperature in degrees K would drop from 474 to 237 by the same factor of 2 for the same pressure, but it still has to give up its large heat of vaporization to become very tiny droplets of water. If the hot steam, mist, and condensed water mixture, always changing complexly with time and location along the hose (and possibly vertically in the about 2 m length of hose on the floor, from liquid to mist to steam), flows for a long time, then the hose will become almost as hot, limiting the loss of heat in the flowing complex mixture. Then, as the flowing, almost 100 deg C complex mixture approaches the end of the hose, it will accelerate forward, expanding in volume within the tube, but not able condense into very tiny droplets of mist until it exits the end of the tube. Then it will expand as a cone, rapidly losing pressure and mixing complexly with entrained air in a turbulence process, heating the air until it is cool enough to very rapidly form a mist of very tiny water droplets, visible at the 0.6 micron wavelength of visible light. However, the fact that the exiting mixture of steam and mist is already visible right at the exit, indicates that the mixture is only partly steam, and may actually be all mist already. In addition, if the volume of condensed water within the hose is not specifically and accurately monitored, then it is impossible to estimate how much steam has been condensing to water within the hose. It is also possible that only a tiny amount of water becomes steam in the reaction chamber. We need an experiment that is made of transparent pyrex glass, from the reaction device to the 3 m of exit piping, with several high speed digital thermometers, paired with microphones to listen for turbulence, and webcams to record images of the complex flow, with the input water dyed to make the turbulence visible -- then flow velocities can be accurately found and mist formation and water turbulence studied at all locations. Many people have the skills and equipment to rapidly assemble and test an "electric heater only" mock up of the Rossi demo. My friend Michael H. Barron here in Santa Fe uses an Italian steam cleaner that takes about 700-800 watts to vaporize distilled water in a strong steel ball chamber, forming dry steam that exits a flexible 1 m hose with an outlet about 5 mm inside diameter. We were just talking on Skype about measuring how far from the exit the dry steam goes before becoming visible mist in the air. He worked at LANL for years, assembling complex experiments, and has a remarkable collection of equipment and a network of dedicated geeks. So, maybe, we'll try a quick hack... Rossi has mentioned, without any details, that in recent years dozens of cells have exploded. It may be that as water collects in and fills the 2 m of hose on the floor, the resulting barrier is enough to slow the steam exiting from the compact reactor, formed from the 2 ml/sec fixed input water flow by electric heaters above 500 W power. As dry steam builds up in the reactor, it may impede the radiation and convection transfer of heat from the electric heater, leading to a transient high temperature excursion that softens and melts and then destroys the Ni nanopowder and the copper and stainless steel wall. Rapid accumulation of mineral deposits from city water could also further insulate the heater. If disruption of the container h
[Vo]:Re: telescope funding
The James Webb Space Telescope scientists could form a public service corporation to be owned democratically by shareholders who buy stock and bonds, to get 10% yearly dividends from ads running on every Net site that shares the photos and data worldwide for free, and reasonably priced income from profit-making firms and persons who do research and make and sell books, media, and feature movies and advertisements that use the photos... On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 7:12 AM, michael barron wrote: > R: > fyi > http://science.slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=story&sid=11/07/07/0038247 > :M > > > >
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
http://ecatreport.com/e-cat/andrea-rossi-on-the-e-cat-part-22 Below follows a stylized E-Cat Q&A section part 2 /2 from the interview with Andrea Rossi in Stockholm, 5th July 2011 "...Question: Finally, how do you measure the amount of non-vaporized water in the steam? Answer: This has unfortunately been a big issue in the media lately, while at the same time it is a no-brainer in-house. One should never forget that heat measurements are one of the first things that high school children learn in physics class and that to inquiry five different independent physics professors about this is just plain silly. The instruments used, measures the water content in grams per cubic meter and the question whether it is measured by mass or volume should thereby have been settled once and for all. Next thing to do would be to question the German manufacturer of the instrument if one wants the fuzz to continue. Here is a picture of the label of the German instrument from manufacturer Testo for anyone who wish to enquire this further..." JPS = just plain silly...
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
"iridescent" -- my phonetic spelling terrible this 24 hours, sitting beside my wife Sondra in Physicians Medical Center Hospital in Santa Fe, New Mexico, and for another 48 hours, after her successful R hip replacement yesterday morning, anterior surgery from the front of the thigh in less than an hour, with porous titanium ball and socket with high density polyethylene cup -- she already sat up on the edge of her bed, dangling her legs -- used to be a flamenco dancer and expert acupuncturist -- found this via Facebook: Hildegard von Bingen (1098-1179) - O Jerusalem -- FractAlkemist for the Ultimate Mandelbrot set travel 9:46 min video with female chorus chant vocal: Rich Murray 2011.12.13 theprof1958 4,845 videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnkPV5cAV8c&feature=player_embedded#at=50 9:46 minutes with female chorus chant vocal Uploaded by theprof1958 on May 6, 2010 Ensemble Sequentia thanks to FractAlkemist for the Ultimate Mandelbrot set travel http://www.youtube.com/FractAlkemist
Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2
damnest nonsense I've ever seen -- I still hope that amid the mass ascension of varied hot air balloons all over, that at least one reproducible little CF effect emerges, however humble, as the catalyst for a mass stampede of scientists... but, mostly, expect irredescent popping bubbles...
Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration
The 15 seconds when Rossi waved the misty end of the black hose against the black sweater were the Waterloo of this mistaken claim... Any signs that his associates are starting to face this unwelcome reality?
Re: [Vo]:Levi's likely attitude
The overall shared goal is noble -- the positive evolution of human beings on this planet -- aided by unexpected advances in understanding and science. Finding things that don't work out is valuable, and sustains eventual successes.
Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration
I examined the video frame by frame for the 15 frames that were part of the 15 seconds that showed the end of the black hose -- several frames clearly show the water mist expanding as a cone directly from the end of the hose -- thus no proof that invisible steam made it to the end of the 3 m hose. Examine the posts by Joshua Cude for clarifications by one far more capable than me... Every day so far is another day without clear-cut proof of actual excess heat output...
Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration
Well, since now it is pretty clear to many of us that none of the demos provide proof of excess heat, then the judgement call is whether to decide that there is no Rossi excess heat. I came up intuitively, out of my sensitive vapors, with the scenario that Rossi found that increasing the electric power input to the heating resistor, deep inside the active core of his reactor, still outside the 50 cc stainless steel chamber, full of nanopowder Ni and a catalyst, at some high level of power produced dozens of explosions, which he attributed to runaway LENR, converting N 62 and Ni 64 to Cu 63 and Cu65, with, if I recall his most recent interview correctly, 0.1 to 0.5 Mev gammas, easily shielded by a few cm of Pb, from intermediate radioactive isotopes with half-life up to a maximum of 20 minutes. I visualized with increasing input electric power with time of operation, increasing thermal conductivity resistance from the stainless steel chamber and the heating resistor (probably something like NiCr wire inside a high temperature insulating ceramic), due to decreasing heat flow transfer rates. 1. In the chamber, even 1 % mass of the 2 gm/sec input water flow being boiled into steam would produce 34 cc/sec steam, enough to bubble and froth the water in the chamber, steeply decreasing its ability to conduct heat by radiation, conduction, or complex convection -- so at some point of increasing input energy, the complex situation will reach and pass a trigger point of instability, leading to steeply increasing heat retention, temperature rise, melting of the metals, explosion of the resistor, complex chemical reactions from O2 dissolved in the city input water, H2 in the Ni nanopowder, Fe, Cu, Cr, Ni, the catalyst, and the resistor ceramic components, the Pd shielding, and finally the exterior insulation and Al, and atmospheric O2 and N2 -- do we know the actual volume inside the reactor, the witch's cauldron for the witch's brew? 2. The failure of the heating resistor would allow sudden transient added electrical arcing and shorting of the power supply, feeding the reactions and sustaining very high temperature chemistry -- which thus is a promising target for precise measurements. 3. The preliminary buildup of water, froth, mist, and steam within the 3 m of black opaque output pipe will increasingly impede the exit flow, facilitating a transient standstill in the device and setting the stage for thermal explosion. 4. Gradually over time, and more quickly just prior to explosion, mineral scale from city water will build up on the interior surfaces of the reactor, especially the hotter resistor and stainless steel reaction chamber, decreasing heat transfer. 5. Over years of solitary, tenacious, blind effort, Rossi would have evolved a setup that allowed a stable demo with hours of operation, fixed water flow, constant electric input, stable 100 deg C output flow temperature, and an output at the end of the hose that could be attributed to nearly complete vaporization of the water flow in the device, thus justifying a claim of 7 fold excess heat. In lieu of so far unconvincing evidence for nuclear reaction radiations, transmutations, or isotopic shifts, or of control runs without the catalyst, or videos of the flow in a transparent output pipe, it is for me reasonable to assert this scenario as both plausible and commonsense enough to justify asserting that the Rossi device will be famous as a case of contagious scientific delusion. It is important, for the safety of intrepid experimenters, to publicize this possible thermal explosion scenario. In mutual service, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com 505-819-7388
Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement
[ duplicate from parallel discussion } Well, since now it is pretty clear to many of us that none of the demos provide proof of excess heat, then the judgement call is whether to decide that there is no Rossi excess heat. I came up intuitively, out of my sensitive vapors, with the scenario that Rossi found that increasing the electric power input to the heating resistor, deep inside the active core of his reactor, still outside the 50 cc stainless steel chamber, full of nanopowder Ni and a catalyst, at some high level of power produced dozens of explosions, which he attributed to runaway LENR, converting N 62 and Ni 64 to Cu 63 and Cu65, with, if I recall his most recent interview correctly, 0.1 to 0.5 Mev gammas, easily shielded by a few cm of Pb, from intermediate radioactive isotopes with half-life up to a maximum of 20 minutes. I visualized with increasing input electric power with time of operation, increasing thermal conductivity resistance from the stainless steel chamber and the heating resistor (probably something like NiCr wire inside a high temperature insulating ceramic), due to decreasing heat flow transfer rates. 1. In the chamber, even 1 % mass of the 2 gm/sec input water flow being boiled into steam would produce 34 cc/sec steam, enough to bubble and froth the water in the chamber, steeply decreasing its ability to conduct heat by radiation, conduction, or complex convection -- so at some point of increasing input energy, the complex situation will reach and pass a trigger point of instability, leading to steeply increasing heat retention, temperature rise, melting of the metals, explosion of the resistor, complex chemical reactions from O2 dissolved in the city input water, H2 in the Ni nanopowder, Fe, Cu, Cr, Ni, the catalyst, and the resistor ceramic components, the Pd shielding, and finally the exterior insulation and Al, and atmospheric O2 and N2 -- do we know the actual volume inside the reactor, the witch's cauldron for the witch's brew? 2. The failure of the heating resistor would allow sudden transient added electrical arcing and shorting of the power supply, feeding the reactions and sustaining very high temperature chemistry -- which thus is a promising target for precise measurements. 3. The preliminary buildup of water, froth, mist, and steam within the 3 m of black opaque output pipe will increasingly impede the exit flow, facilitating a transient standstill in the device and setting the stage for thermal explosion. 4. Gradually over time, and more quickly just prior to explosion, mineral scale from city water will build up on the interior surfaces of the reactor, especially the hotter resistor and stainless steel reaction chamber, decreasing heat transfer. 5. Over years of solitary, tenacious, blind effort, Rossi would have evolved a setup that allowed a stable demo with hours of operation, fixed water flow, constant electric input, stable 100 deg C output flow temperature, and an output at the end of the hose that could be attributed to nearly complete vaporization of the water flow in the device, thus justifying a claim of 7 fold excess heat. In lieu of so far unconvincing evidence for nuclear reaction radiations, transmutations, or isotopic shifts, or of control runs without the catalyst, or videos of the flow in a transparent output pipe, it is for me reasonable to assert this scenario as both plausible and commonsense enough to justify asserting that the Rossi device will be famous as a case of contagious scientific delusion. It is important, for the safety of intrepid experimenters, to publicize this possible thermal explosion scenario. In mutual service, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com 505-819-7388
Re: [Vo]:The Mats Lewan demo
4. scientific proof unworthy of my time, just wait a bit to see big customers buying my huge power units in October (well, maybe November...)
Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat
Any data or estimates as to the volume inside the Rossi device, available to be filled with water up to the exit hole, and the additional space above the maximum water level, available to be filled up with mist, foam, froth, bubbles, and steam? If the available water volume is, say, 180 cc, then a flow of 2 cc/sec would take 90 seconds to fill it and then start filling the 9 m black output hose. I wonder if some of the kinks in the water temperature measured by the thermister (which is only one data location in a complex witch's cauldron) might turn out to reflect a possibly intricate water flow. Could steam vapor blocks form to block and switch some of the flows? Data! More data! Give me data, I say!
Re: [Vo]:E-Cat open source replication
Be careful about high electric power inputs into a resistor in water in a small metal cell -- complex thermal corrosion, for example, cracks in resistor at high temperatures, may lead to electric shorting and arcing and explosion of the resistor, leading to disruption, chemical reaction, and explosion of the Ni powder in its stainless steel cell. How much is heat transfer reduced when the cell is almost completely filled with hot steam? Do careful preliminary studies with a very small cell to test what input electric power levels lead to resister damage and catastrophic failure. Most CF experiments are black boxes -- the reaction zones are hidden from view. Consider 2D cells with strong glass walls, maybe the superstrong glass used now for cell phone displays. To be safe, the network of experimenters must focus on the complex details of what actually happens in a standard very small cell. Can the runs be shared real-time to everyone via video on the Net? Also recorded, and conversations automatically transcribed. In mutual service, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com 505-819-7388 thermal corrosion effects in the Rossi reactor -- recent posts: Rich Murray 2011.07.18 https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?hl=en&shva=1#inbox/13129463f4f98e07 Vortex-L@eskimo.com discussion thread [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration Rich Murray to vortex-l show details Jul 14 (3 days ago) The 15 seconds when Rossi waved the misty end of the black hose against the black sweater were the Waterloo of this mistaken claim... Any signs that his associates are starting to face this unwelcome reality? Rich Murray to michael, Rich, vortex-l show details Jul 14 (3 days ago) I examined the video frame by frame for the 15 frames that were part of the 15 seconds that showed the end of the black hose -- several frames clearly show the water mist expanding as a cone directly from the end of the hose -- thus no proof that invisible steam made it to the end of the 3 m hose. Examine the posts by Joshua Cude for clarifications by one far more capable than me... Every day so far is another day without clear-cut proof of actual excess heat output... fromRich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com to vortex-l@eskimo.com, michael barron , Abd ul-Rahman Lomax , svj.orionwo...@gmail.com, stev...@newenergytimes.com, Rich Murray , Rich Murray , Joshua Cude , jpbiber...@yahoo.fr, b...@bobpark.org, danieldi...@gmail.com bcc h-ni_fus...@yahoogroups.com dateFri, Jul 15, 2011 at 10:10 AM subject Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration mailed-by gmail.com Well, since now it is pretty clear to many of us that none of the demos provide proof of excess heat, then the judgement call is whether to decide that there is no Rossi excess heat. I came up intuitively, out of my sensitive vapors, with the scenario that Rossi found that increasing the electric power input to the heating resistor, deep inside the active core of his reactor, still outside the 50 cc stainless steel chamber, full of nanopowder Ni and a catalyst, at some high level of power produced dozens of explosions, which he attributed to runaway LENR, converting N 62 and Ni 64 to Cu 63 and Cu65, with, if I recall his most recent interview correctly, 0.1 to 0.5 Mev gammas, easily shielded by a few cm of Pb, from intermediate radioactive isotopes with half-life up to a maximum of 20 minutes. I visualized with increasing input electric power with time of operation, increasing thermal conductivity resistance from the stainless steel chamber and the heating resistor (probably something like NiCr wire inside a high temperature insulating ceramic), due to decreasing heat flow transfer rates. 1. In the chamber, even 1 % mass of the 2 gm/sec input water flow being boiled into steam would produce 34 cc/sec steam, enough to bubble and froth the water in the chamber, steeply decreasing its ability to conduct heat by radiation, conduction, or complex convection -- so at some point of increasing input energy, the complex situation will reach and pass a trigger point of instability, leading to steeply increasing heat retention, temperature rise, melting of the metals, explosion of the resistor, complex chemical reactions from O2 dissolved in the city input water, H2 in the Ni nanopowder, Fe, Cu, Cr, Ni, the catalyst, and the resistor ceramic components, the Pd shielding, and finally the exterior insulation and Al, and atmospheric O2 and N2 -- do we know the actual volume inside the reactor, the witch's cauldron for the witch's brew? 2. The failure of the heating resistor would allow sudden transient added electrical arcing and shorting of the power supply, feeding the reactions and sustaining very high temperature chemistry -- which thus is a promising target for precise measurements. 3. The preliminary buildup of water, froth, mist, and stea
Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement
thermal electrochemical corrosion of the electric input power heating resistor in the Rossi device: Rich Murray 2011.07.19 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011_07_01_archive.htm Tuesday, July 19, 2011 [ at end of each long page, click on Older Posts ] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/90 [ you may have to Copy and Paste URLs into your browser ] https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?hl=en&shva=1#drafts/1311fbb2b67e473f [Vo]: Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement Vortex-L@eskimo.com discussion group Thanks, Joshua Cude, for your clear, earnest interpretations. What is known about the heating resistor -- manufacturer, shape, mass, construction, electric conductors, insulating ceramics, exact dimensions, location within the device, exact descriptions of the electric power cables to it, exposure to water flow or H2 gas? What are the exact dimensions, shapes, and composition of the device, insulation, inlet, outlet, Pb shielding, Cu walls, stainless steel walls, Ni micropowder, etc.? I imagine that the catalyst is a real red herring, with no actual effects. I imagine that the resistor ceramic is susceptible to cracking from thermal stress due to uneven heating and cooling in space and time, expansion of the conductors with increasing electric power and resulting temperatures, and cooling at the resistor leads along the thick electrical conductors. These cracks open the devil's door within the witch's cauldron. The city water becomes rapidly more electrically conducting, as evaporation at hot spots concentrates ordinary minerals as dissolved ions, which readily plate out as ordinary boiler scale. The network of cracks evolves quickly, tending to grow as "trees" from each input electrode end to the other, as the 230 volt AC becomes applied across a smaller and smaller separation -- all of this, most likely, along the surface of the resistor, where layers of print and enamel will facilitate the initial cracking, where mineral ions from the input water flow will keep increasing in concentration and thus increase the electrical conductivity in complex positive feedback chaotic processes. The complex network of surface cracks causes the electrolysis of water into H2 and O2 as nano to micro bubbles, free to recombine or to combine with other chemicals anywhere in the water volume of the device. Recombination of H2 and O2 on the metal thermister or thermometer could release local heat that would give misleading readings. Meanwhile as temperature rises within the resistor, its metallic conductors will respond with increasing resistance, while at the same time the tree-like networks of conducting surface cracks are growing in overall fractal volume and closer to each other, increasing the effective available electric potential for their nano to micro scale growing tips -- so more and more of the applied electric power will be flowing into this network of rapidly growing, rapidly heating surface nano to micro cracks -- thus heating the frothing water and leading to complex hot flows of H2O gas, along with H2 and O2, which could result in higher temperature readings for a thermometer that happens to be in a hot spot in the device. This surface electrochemical corrosion scenario could explain the start of overall rise in measured water temperature with constant input electric power at the 60-70 deg C level -- the input heating resistor being "O ring" weak point in the Rossi device. Once conducting cracks directly link the two electrodes, shorting and arcing will explode the resistor, perhaps subverting the ability of the constant power electric supply to limit extreme transient flows, while also releasing chemical energy from complex chemical reactions, and also promply melting and disrupting the stainless steel container and its 50 gm Ni micropowder, catalyst, and absorbed H gas, creating explosive reactions among many chemicals. This scenario may also apply as a conventional explanation for many types of CF or LENR devices. However, claims of transmutations, isotopic shifts, and radiations have been made for similar processes in high voltage power cables. So, it is possible that electrochemical corrosion can perhaps create nano to micro scale reaction regions that sustain CF or LENR anomalies. self-organizing networks can develop simple test kits for metal isotope anomalies in 'water tree' corrosion of thin polyethylene films, re T Kumazawa 2005 -- 2008 Japan: Rich Murray 2011.06.03 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011_06_01_archive.htm Friday, June 3, 2011 [ at end of each long page, click on Older Posts ] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/86 [ you may have to Copy and Paste URLs into your browser ] reactive gas micro and nano bubbles complicate Widom-Larsen theory re electrolytic cells -- metal isotope anomalies in 'water tree' corrosion of power cable polyethylene insulation, T Kumazawa et al 2005 -- 2008 Japa
Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement
Wherever the input power resistor is, its gradual surface deterioration and fractal cracking will accelerate the flow of electric current along the outside of the resistor, increasing the direct transfer of heat energy into the input cooling water, 2 cc/sec into a perhaps 200 cc interior volume, so 1 % mass of the contained H2O is forced in as liquid by the input pump every second, while 1 % of the contained H2O mass exits every second as a complex chaotic mixture of hot water, froth, bubbles, mist, invisible dry steam, H2 and O2 from water electrolyzed by the electric currents on the surface of the heating resistor -- the thermometer happens to be in a hot spot that measures a location within the chaos that is, well, hotter... always possible for there to be a stable hot spot in a complex fractal chaos witch's pot. For too high input electric power, the resistor corrosion results eventually in direct shorting, arcing, and explosion, as Rossi admits happened 17 times, if my feeble wits be trusted... Be careful, O ye would rush to run your very own witch's pot! In mutual service, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com 505-819-7388 On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 5:28 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > Damon, > > This is what I tried to explain before. Discussing about wetness of > the steam is a moot point. The mass of liquid in any of those video > is visually less 5%, if that much. More than that, the liquid hose > would pour bubbles. But forget about it, people won't listen to this. > It seems they forgot these experiments can still have hidden power > sources.
Re: [Vo]:E-Cat open source replication
What are the exact details of your setup and runs so far? In mutual service, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com 505-819-7388 On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 9:33 AM, ecat builder wrote: > Hi Damon, > >> I hope your piping is better than class 150, and your fittings better than >> schedule 40. Preferably you would want to use class 3000 pipe and schedule >> 80 fittings of 316/316L stainless steal. The strength of stainless steal > > Thank you for the safety concern. I'm using schedule 40 pipe and > fittings. I looked at schedule 160, but the fittings are hard to find > and expensive.. so instead, I assume my rig could explode and stay > 100m away when heating. > > I run my experiments remotely using LabView via Remote Desktop and a > solid state relay to turn on/off the heat. > > Also, I can monitor the pressure gauges from my webcam, and so far I > haven't seen any real pressure increase when increasing the temp from > 20 to 250C. > > Will try some simple and safe catalysts next. (Mg,Ti, MnO2) > > - Brad > >
Re: [Vo]:New Sergio Focardi interview
Without exact details of external and internal geometries, thicknesses, and volumes, the world is whistling in the dark re any attempts to make and test dummy copies of the Rossi reactor, with some Ni micropower and no catalyst, to establish the null hypothesis that the observed complex water-froth-mist-dry steam output and temperatures match that in the several Rossi demos. Also, has any detailed evidence been shared re radiations, transmutations, and isotopic shifts? Any names for any of the many technicians and scientists who have worked with the Rossi devices during the last 3 years? In mutual service, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com 505-819-7388
[Vo]:bell soon to toll for Rossi debacle, Steven B. Krivit definitive technical review, with able collaborators, due in a few days: Rich Murray 2011.07.29
bell soon to toll for Rossi debacle, Steven B. Krivit definitive technical review, with able collaborators, due in a few days: Rich Murray 2011.07.29 A fine example of how cogent, pertinent, rapid scientific collaboration can now operate freely and for free via the Net... "The effects of the June 20 video and my early brief reports have been very interesting. When I published the video, I made not one comment about its content, let alone any kind of report or analysis. Within two weeks, 20,000 people had watched the video and more than 50 people sent me their comments and analyses of what they saw in it. Some of those commentaries went into great detail and depth. The knowledge and technical skills of the writers was self-evident." http://wp.me/pV5rZ-ew http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/07/29/new-energy-times-report-3-on-rossi-device-coming-soon/ New Energy Times Report #3 on Rossi Device Coming Soon Steven B. Krivit | July 29, 2011 at 09:02 | Categories: Uncategorized | URL: http://wp.me/pV5rZ-ew "Issue 37 of New Energy Times will publish within the next few days ...I made my own trip to see Rossi, Focardi and their associate Giuseppe Levi, a physicist with the University of Bologna, on June 14 and 15. On June 16, I published a preliminary trip report, and on June 21, I published a slightly edited final version of my Report #1 - First Report of Interviews With E-Cat Trio. On June 20, I published a video from my trip to Bologna in which Rossi explains his energy catalyzer. On June 28, I published my Report #2 - Energy Catalyzer: Scientific Communication and Ethics Issues, and I told readers that my next report would review the technical matters and my concerns about the trio's claims. I realize that, in today's world of Twitter and texting, one month seems like an interminable wait for some people. Thank you for your patience. The wait is almost over. The effects of the June 20 video and my early brief reports have been very interesting. When I published the video, I made not one comment about its content, let alone any kind of report or analysis. Within two weeks, 20,000 people had watched the video and more than 50 people sent me their comments and analyses of what they saw in it. Some of those commentaries went into great detail and depth. The knowledge and technical skills of the writers was self-evident. Report 3 thus became a very unusual report because these contributors did the bulk of the scientific and technical analysis. This was not my original intention, but they beat me to the work. Most of the contributors had specific training or experience with thermodynamics. In my role as an editor, if I did not personally know the contributor, I confirmed the person’s identity and got to know the person a bit in all but one case. The New Energy Times team worked with these contributors and edited their various analyses, and these now compose the bulk of the three dozen appendices to Report 3. These appendices also contain the hard scientific and technical information on which I have based most of Report 3. More-technical readers may wish to skip my Report #3 and jump straight to the appendices. Readers will notice that some of these contributors have made different estimates of the same parameters of the Rossi experiment. Because Rossi has not made many of these parameters public, the contributors' independent estimations reasonably could be different. Readers will also find overlap in some of the topics covered by the contributors in the appendices. The New Energy Times team has done its best to reduce the overlap, but because all contributions were offered to us independently and without a coordinated effort, avoiding overlap was not entirely possible. As much as possible, we have sequenced the appendices logically. I am working on the final editing of the three hours of videotaped interviews I made with Rossi, Focardi, Levi, University of Bologna physicist David Bianchini and blogger Daniele Passerini. I will send out another announcement when the videos are ready. I have set up a dedicated Web page, "Andrea Rossi and His Energy-Catalyzer (E-Cat)," that will list all of the New Energy Times reports as well as other related information. I expect to write one follow-up report on the Rossi story in which I will provide more information about my journalistic process in this story. I intend to comment on my experience with the key sources of this story and offer some reflections. I also intend to note some of my observations about the response I have seen from people involved in the LENR research field http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/07/29/possible-low-or-no-levels-of-excess-heat-in-rossi-device/ Possible Low or No Levels of Excess Heat in Rossi DevicePosted on July 29, 2011 by Steven B. Krivit Does Italian inventor Andrea Rossi’s device produce heat beyond that which is possible by chemistry? The device may produce some excess heat,
Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report
Thanks, Abd, for being so forthright with Jed about his inability to integrate all the bad news about the Rossi debacle -- I'm interested to see how the remaining publicly committed believers are attempting to tough it out together, defiantly clinging to every tattered shred of argument -- being sincerely wrong is a really profound learning process -- I wonder if there is any evidence that the investors are losing faith... I'm paying very little attention to any of the cold fusion stuff now, assessing that nothing yet is independently reproducible to refute the null hypothesis of "no anomalies"... In mutual service, Rich
Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report
Well, Jed, maybe you're right at the cusp of a complete switch of your gestalt of understandings re the Rossi phenomenon -- a little more likely when waking up in the morning, you notice your entire system of interpretations has irrevocably reversed, like a 3D shift in the way a wire cube seems to face -- can't be forced or rushed -- just happens -- like remembering a name a few minutes after choosing to stop trying to recall it...
Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report
Ironic, yet natural, that what Abd is trying to catalyze Jed to understand about Rossi, Rich is trying to catalyze Abd to understand about all cold fusion claims to date -- rather than continue to blather forever about claims that go back 22 years, let's consider whether any evidence has been found in currently operating experiments in 2011 for any anomalous excess heat, radiation, transmutations, or isotopic shifts, especially well and specifically described experiments that can be or even are being replicated by independent groups -- so, what's up, Doc -- I truly am all ears... Meanwhile, back at the ranch, just yesterday... Reviewing Ny Teknik Video: Did Rossi Play With Power Setting? Steven B. Krivit | August 5, 2011 at 03:10 | Categories: Uncategorized | URL: http://wp.me/pV5rZ-eW In one of the last appendices (#35) to our recent Report #3 on Andrea Rossi and his energy claim, we wrote about a videotaped demonstration of Rossi's device by Mats Lewan of Swedish magazine Ny Teknik. Lewan approaches the bucket and the hose. No steam is visible or audible. Two seconds later, it is. Lewan goes back to the main room, and his camera shows Rossi with his hand near the power controls. The power was supposed to be constant during the test. Comments welcome. watch?v=uviXoafHWrU&w=425&h=349 [ a compelling second by second dissection of deliberate duplicity... ] In mutual service, Rich
Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report
as mighty mensch, I don't try to catalyze, I do catalyze... these are tough big boys, highly competent at maintaining their own, happy to play on multiple levels... In mutual service, Rich
Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report
eee, maybe Rich is a "which" doctor...
Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report
Yes, this describes Rich very well during his 69 years of life -- here is his most recent epistle attempting to lure others into unusual scientific researches: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > Re: “DESCRIBE PERSONALLY PERCEIVED FAULTS IN OTHERS” > > This predisposition of many mainstream critics of out-of-the-box thinkers as > abnormal and aberrant is deeply rooted in human nature as an evolutionary > adaptation fostered by natural selection to enhance the survival of the > race. 10 m broken rock hill with black glazes, W of Rancho Alegre Road, S of Coyote Trail, W of Hwy 14, S of Santa Fe, New Mexico, tour of 50 photos 1 MB size each via DropBox: Rich Murray 2011.07.28 2011.08.03 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011_08_01_archive.htm Wednesday, August 3, 2011 [ at end of each long page, click on Older Posts ] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/92 [ you may have to Copy and Paste URLs into your browser ] __ [ Note: this long post serves to provide detailed evidence for shared discussions about the effects on ground rocks of very hot, high pressure gas jets from multiple clusters of air bursts of already highly fragmented debris in solar orbit from an initially large mostly ice comet. ]...[much more ]...
Re: [Vo]:Rossi and Defkalion Split-up?
Rossi will be fortunate indeed to avoid this and the next few years to avoid or prevail some severe civil and criminal legal actions... On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Terry Blanton wrote: > >> >> Damn straight, I'd separate myself from Rossi. He still gets his >> €200M, after all. > > Wasn't it €100M? > I hope he gets the money. He deserves it. > - Jed >
Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report
when someone appears within awareness who needs bread, then responses flow giving bread, not stone -- however, the form of the bread varies greatly, just as the form of the need varies greatly -- what flows from me to others is at worse harmless in outcome, or at best, liberating... if there seem to be mistakes, then the responses always convey spontaneous compassionate blessing -- living within trackless,"tract" less openness is wonder full... Google "nonduality"...
Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report
ah, a kindred soul! eloquent, profound, gentle, halarious, keen, subtle... I accept all of your spontaneous power. I let you all the way in, For communication, cooperation, collaboration, communion, union, Asking for help To grow and serve timelessly limitlessly As uniquely all of single creative fractal hyperinfinity On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 7:18 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: > From Rich: > > > >> when someone appears within awareness who needs bread, > >> then responses flow giving bread, not stone -- however, the > >> form of the bread varies greatly, just as the form of the need > >> varies greatly -- what flows from me to others is at worse > >> harmless in outcome, or at best, liberating... if there seem > >> to be mistakes, then the responses always convey > >> spontaneous compassionate blessing -- living within > >> trackless,"tract" less openness is wonder full... > >> Google "nonduality"... > > > > Ah! A good old fashion soliloquy of transcendent proportions! I like it! > > > > NonDuality is indeed an interesting perception. Let me share with you a > philosophical rant of my own! > > > > FWIW, you and I may differ on certain perceptions, such as in regards to the > predicted outcome of the on-going Rossi saga. In the end, however, it seems > to me that it all comes down to a simple manifestation of different > perspectives. > > > > It's easy for all of us to lose sight of the fact that as we go about the > business of manifesting our differing opinions, all of these differing > perspectives must nevertheless be observed from somewhere. Trying to grasp > where that "somewhere" resides has kept many a philosopher employed > throughout the ages. > > > > Some sense... some try to describe a Transcendent State of Existence, an > Awareness which resides outside of the frame of reference perceived of as > our immediate surroundings. Thus the concept of duality is born. > > > > I think what is often lost in such interpretations is the fact that this > Transcendent State of Existence has no definition of boundaries. There is no > need for them. The constant enthrallment of "Maya" – the setting up of > boundaries, the generation of differing opinions, is experienced as an > endless form of rambunctious creativity, all for the amusement of that > Transcendent State of Awareness, where "we" come from. That Unbounded State > of Awareness enjoys the thrill of playing around with differing points of > view. In the end, however, all of these differing viewpoints head back home. > Eventually "we" gather around the dinner table to swap stories, to compare > notes... and perhaps to experience a good belly laugh or two at our own > folly. Actually, "we" never left the dinner table. It only seems that way. > > > > Swami Johnson will now put his turban away for the evening. > > > > Regards, > > Steven Vincent Johnson > > www.OrionWorks.com > > www.zazzle.com/orionworks > >
Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report
Prof. Sergio Focardi on FaceBook http://www.facebook.com/pages/Prof-Sergio-Focardi/116761995001742
Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report
http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/02/%E2%80%98dr-sanjay-gupta-reports-the-last-heart-attack%E2%80%99-%E2%80%93-a-mission-possible/ "The new one-hour documentary, Dr. Sanjay Gupta Reports: The Last Heart Attack focuses on the latest heart disease prevention science. It debuts Sunday, Aug. 21 at 8:00p.m. ET and PT, and replays on Saturday, Aug. 28 at 8:00p.m. ET and PT on CNN/U.S." Bill Clinton discusses preventing heart disease and strokes with vegan diet (no animal product foods at all, only organic, fairly unprocessed plant-based foods)...
Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means
Piantelli, Rossi, Defkalion, big US investor... copious hot air... never any facts... so it's all electric heaters in drag... we're all getting old since 1989, gawking at this circus parade. In mutual service, Rich Murray
Re: Fw: [Vo]:Rossi and Defkalion Split Up RUMORMONGERING - You got evidence, post it!
Problems... if not Major, then are minor, albeit many, however, now ever, since obviously these very little crooked black ma r k s right now, wrong now, occupy awareness, then, confusion (not just about cold fusion) is being imagined within single entire unified creative fractal hyperinfinity, so confusion imagined has a "before" and an "after", ie, confusion is temporary -- WS: "...Our revels now are ended. These our actors, As I foretold you, were all spirits and Are melted into air, into thin air: And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, The cloud-capp'd towers, the gorgeous palaces, The solemn temples, the great globe itself, Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff As dreams are made on, and our little life Is rounded with a sleep." In mutual service, "Rich Murray"
Re: [Vo]:What the Breakup Means
fromWordPress no-re...@wordpress.com to rmfor...@gmail.com dateSun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:34 AM subject [New post] Rossi's Scientific Failure in Seven Steps 10:34 AM (4 hours ago) Rossi's Scientific Failure in Seven Steps Steven B. Krivit | August 7, 2011 at 17:34 | Categories: Uncategorized | URL: http://wp.me/pV5rZ-f0 Andrea Rossi is the creator of a device he calls the Energy Catalyzer, or E-Cat. Together with Sergio Focardi, professor emeritus at the University of Bologna, and Giuseppe Levi, a professor in the university’s Department of Physics, the trio claimed a low-energy nuclear reaction device that produced extraordinarily large amounts of excess heat. In fact, Rossi had promoted the idea as a soon-to-be-available commercial device. The complete list of New Energy Times reports on this topic is here. The Rossi group's primary energy claim was based on vaporization of virtually all inlet water into steam. The group had two choices to validate its claim. Option 1 was to verify that liquid water did not flow out of the device and down the drain. The group made no such measurements. The characteristics of steam output observed in the June 14, 2011, and April 28, 2011, experiments are consistent with substantial amounts of unvaporized inlet water present in the output steam. Option 2, which the group attempted, was to measure steam quality. However, it used a device that, according to the manufacturer, was not designed or suitable for the task. That device was designed to measure only humidity of air. Thus, the group had no accurate measurements of the amount or quality of steam produced and therefore no experimental evidence on which to base its extraordinary energy claim. The group ran one experiment below the boiling point of water; however, it did not make and does not intend to release a report on the results of that test. Seven Steps 1. Rossi Group's Extraordinary Claim About Energy Production The primary claim was based on virtually 100 percent vaporization of inlet water into steam. 2. Video Recordings of Steam Production The characteristics of steam output observed in the June 14, 2011, and April 28, 2011, experiments are consistent with substantial amounts of unvaporized inlet water present in the output steam. 3. Presence of Unvaporized Water in Device Output -Water can leave as liquid by overflowing through the outlet hose. -Water can leave as tiny droplets, thus lowering steam quality. 4. Measurement of Unvaporized Water in Device Output No measurements were performed to verify that unvaporized water did not flow out of the device, through the hose, and down the drain. 5. Claims of Steam Quality Measurements The Rossi group claimed to have accurately measured steam quality. The chemist it used to perform these measurements did not use a detector that was designed for or capable of measuring steam quality. 6. Device Used to Attempt Steam Quality Measurement - Question to manufacturer: "What is the capability of this device to measure steam quality?" - Response from manufacturer: “None. It is not suited for steam quality measurement.” 7. Conclusion Without Sufficient Experimental Facts Because the group used an unsuitable device to measure steam quality, it had no quantitative facts about the amount or quality of steam. As a result, the group could not know the amount of energy production within an order of magnitude. As with any scientific claim, the burden to provide convincing evidence rests with the claimant. In mutual service, Rich Murray
Re: [Vo]:NyTeknik coverage of Rossi - Defkalion split
Hey, Abd, may be the best way to catalyze thinking would be to set up a simple experiment to make a cell phone video: a simple transparent hot water system to model the behavior of a Rossi reactor: Rich Murray 2011.08.08 Use glass bottle with a long neck going from the side up at an angle, or a bottle with a long top neck that is tilted at an angle, full of dyed water up to a few cm above the start of the neck -- slowly raise temp to boiling on a stove -- boiling water will start spewing gently, with careful adjustment of the input heat, as a froth up the tube -- if a clear hose is attached to the tube, then it can curve to lie flat for a distance, showing how much water condenses and runs along the bottom half or so of the diameter, with froth, mist, and steam moving faster above it -- allow hose to curve down gently at the final meter to a submerged transparent glass container full of clear water, enough to cool and catch all the water and froth, which will be carrying some of the dye -- if the input heat was from a hot plate, then the input electric power could be compared to the increase in temperature of the final water bottle, which can easily be insulated -- the whole system can be insulated with fiberglass wool, allowing just enough exposure to enable webcams to monitor the flow at various places, with a prominent digital clock in view -- the video can be set up to run in slow motion or allow inspection of single frames -- any able experimenters game to try this? Try runs with different size gaskets reducing the output diameter of the exit end of the hot water Murray reactor. Set up a mike to record the bubbling sounds at that point. Probably be good singing tea kettle at times -- might as well use some tea bags to generate the dye -- then can bottle and sell the final evidence... Can also use a raised container of already brewed, cool tea water as a constant pressure source through an adjustable faucet to deliver a continuous flow into the Lomax reactor, which can only exit through the single outlet -- study how complex the dynamics of this simple nonlinear system are, and how much adjusting a person has to do of electric input and input water flow to generate a fairly stable overall flow for over 10 minutes or more -- do runs live online for all to see -- allow unfettered discussion on a public blog and put all of it in the public domain. In mutual service, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com 505-819-7388
Re: [Vo]:Another Defkalion statement on PESN
Yep, Susan Gipp, you have a grip on the reality here... Defkalion now stage-managing hour by hour -- perhaps their technicians are running simulations on their magic catalyzt deprived devices to verify the same kind of null results that actually ensued from the publicized Rossi demos... Within mutual service, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com 505-819-7388 On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Susan Gipp wrote: > To be honest would be better to say: > > No one in the world holds any (working) E-Cat, even us, so far.
Re: [Vo]:How to present arguments against cold fusion critics
This is a reasonable question, from my point of view as a cold fusion fan, serving as a unqualified scientific layman who has been offering painstaking, objective reviews of cold fusion papers since December, 1996 -- specializing in looking at all the common sense, nitty gritty details in the papers. Publication in any journal is not the issue now, but publication in a blog with full details and sharing of all public feedback without editing or censorship on the same blog, of any experiment that always finds some anomaly of excess heat, radiations, transmutations, and large isotopic shifts, however humble the finding, that is independently reproduced by at least one other lab and reported fully on the same blog, would be enough to lead to more replications by other labs, and accelerating progress from the fully shared public feedback. Any such blog would be a scientific journal. It is time to stop the biased, self-defeating practice of labeling and excluding participation of critics by calling them "pathological" -- if anyone who chooses to be a prominent player in public discussions wants to encourage participation by a wide spectrum of motivated, qualified other players. It is up to each player to maintain a high level of courtesy and clarity, for the huge mutual benefit for humanity. Within mutual service, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com 505-819-7388
[Vo]:Re: [H-Ni_Fusion] Where's That Smoking Gun?
Better to invite Rossi to make a complete public confession -- then he can start making the runs of blogs, TV talk shows, lectures, videos, books, feature movies -- this is a potential bonanza, a ton of fun, while setting a good example for all humanity -- would add to public interest in and openness to cold fusion and other challenging frontiers of research. Shaming, blaiming, and punishing people for mistakes increases the fear level in society and thus increases the level of defensiveness, impairing communication and collaboration, and increasing secrecy, confusion, deception, and selfishness. We are free to exercise out inborn right to the glory of infinite creativity, for each is all of single entire unified creative fractal hyperinfinity. Within mutual service, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com 505-819-7388 On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Craig Dec wrote: > ** > > > In the who-done-it forensics of placing the smoking gun of fraud, > deliberate or unintentional, in Rossi's hands it seems every attempt has > come up one gram shy. > > We've got blood spatter evidence all over the place, powder burns on his > hands and the place is piled high with corpses. > > But where's that smoking gun?? > > __._,_.___ > Reply to > sender| > Reply > to > group| > Reply > via web > post<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/H-Ni_Fusion/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwbXJzaTVkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzczMzY0NDQwBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA4MzI2OQRtc2dJZAM1OTUEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMzEzMDU0MDUy?act=reply&messageNum=595>| > Start > a New > Topic<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/H-Ni_Fusion/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmN2djaWFlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzczMzY0NDQwBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA4MzI2OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTMwNTQwNTI-> > Messages in this > topic<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/H-Ni_Fusion/message/595;_ylc=X3oDMTMzY3Mwb2kzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzczMzY0NDQwBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA4MzI2OQRtc2dJZAM1OTUEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMzEzMDU0MDUyBHRwY0lkAzU5NQ-->( > 1) > Recent Activity: > >- New > Members<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/H-Ni_Fusion/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJndjhyYmY3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzczMzY0NDQwBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA4MzI2OQRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzEzMDU0MDUy?o=6> >4 >- New > Files<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/H-Ni_Fusion/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJoZjlnMHFxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzczMzY0NDQwBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA4MzI2OQRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2ZmlsZXMEc3RpbWUDMTMxMzA1NDA1Mg--> >1 > > Visit Your > Group<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/H-Ni_Fusion;_ylc=X3oDMTJmb2JvODN0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzczMzY0NDQwBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA4MzI2OQRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTMwNTQwNTI-> > === > > > http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Andrea_A._Rossi_Cold_Fusion_Generator > [image: Yahoo! > Groups]<http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJldWo1ZTNwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzczMzY0NDQwBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA4MzI2OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMxMzA1NDA1Mg--> > Switch to: > Text-Only, > Daily > Digest• > Unsubscribe • > Terms > of Use <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> >. > > __,_._,___ >
Re: [Vo]:PhysOrg reports on Krivit's latest article...
Noteworthy that Krivit's 200 page report included detailed contributions by 25 volunteer experts, who showed a broad consensus for a skeptical assessment about excess energy... So it's not just Krivit... Not included -- thermal electrochemical corrosion of the electric input power heating resistor in the Rossi device: Rich Murray 2011.07.19 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011_07_01_archive.htm Tuesday, July 19, 2011 [ at end of each long page, click on Older Posts ] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/90 [ you may have to Copy and Paste URLs into your browser ] within mutual service, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com 505-819-7388 rich.murray11 Skype audio, video
Re: [Vo]:JNP Cold Nuclear Fusion paper
This seems to me, an unqualified, careful scientific layman, to be reasonable, simple theory, citing recent experiments: "Recent experiments on fusion of elements on accelerators For atom-atom collisions the expression of the probability of penetration through a Coulomb barrier for bare nuclei should be modified, because atomic electrons screen the repulsion effect of nuclear charge. Such a modification for the isolated atom collisions has been performed in H.J. Assenbaum and others [6] using static Born-Oppenheimer approximation. The experimental results that shed further light on this problem were obtained in relatively recent works C. Rolfs [7] and K. Czerski [8]. Review of earlier studies on this subject is contained in the work of L. Bogdanova [9]. In these studies a somewhat unusual phenomenon was observed: the sub-barrier fusion cross sections of elements depend strongly on the physical state of the matter in which these processes are taking place. Figure 1 (left) shows the experimental data [8], demonstrating the dependence of the astrophysical factor S(E) for the fusion of elements of sub-threshold nuclear reaction on the aggregate state of the matter that contains the target nucleus 7Li. The same figure (right) presents similar data [7] for the DD reaction, when the target nucleus was embedded in a zirconium crystal. It must be noted that the physical nature of the phenomenon of increasing cross synthesis of elements in the case where this process occurs in the conductor crystal lattice is still not completely clear" 7. C. Rolfs, “Enhanced Electron Screening in Metals: A Plasma of the Poor Man”, Nuclear Physics News, Vol. 16, No. 2, 2006. 8. A. Huke, K. Czerski, P. Heide, G. Ruprecht, N. Targosz, and W. Zebrowski, “Enhancement of deuteron-fusion reactions in metals and experimental implications”, PHYSICAL REVIEW C 78, 015803 (2008. 9. L.N. Bogdanova, Proceedings of International Conference on Muon Catalyzed Fusion and Related Topics, Dubna, June 18–21, 2007, published by JINR, E4, 15-2008-70, p. 285-293. Can these papers be shared in full or in part? within mutual service, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com 505-819-7388 rich.murray11 Skype audio, video On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > Andrea Rossi > August 12th, 2011 at 10:58 AM > > TO ALL OUR READERS: TODAY HAS BEEN PUBLISHED ON THE JOURNAL OF NUCLEAR > PHYSICS THE VERY INTERESTING PAPER > “COLD NUCLEAR FUSION” > OF E.N. TSYGANOV, UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS SOUTHWESTERN, TEXAS, USA. > > http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510
Re: [Vo]:JNP Cold Nuclear Fusion paper
"Cold Nuclear Fusion", recent experiments and theory re electron shielding in metals: EN Tsyganov, (UA9 collaboration) University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas, Texas: Rich Murray 2011.08.12 [Vo]:JNP Cold Nuclear Fusion paper fromAlan J Fletcher a...@well.com reply-tovortex-l@eskimo.com to vortex-l@eskimo.com dateFri, Aug 12, 2011 at 9:31 AM subject [Vo]:JNP Cold Nuclear Fusion paper 9:31 AM (21 minutes ago) Andrea Rossi August 12th, 2011 at 10:58 AM TO ALL OUR READERS: TODAY HAS BEEN PUBLISHED ON THE JOURNAL OF NUCLEAR PHYSICS THE VERY INTERESTING PAPER "COLD NUCLEAR FUSION" OF E.N. TSYGANOV, UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS SOUTHWESTERN, TEXAS, USA. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510 free full text "by E.N. Tsyganov (UA9 collaboration) University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/files/Cold%20nuclear%20fusion.pdf Direct Download 7 pages Abstract Recent accelerator experiments on fusion of various elements have clearly demonstrated that the effective cross-sections of these reactions depend on what material the target particle is placed in. In these experiments, there was a significant increase in the probability of interaction when target nuclei are imbedded in a conducting crystal or are a part of it. These experiments open a new perspective on the problem of so-called cold nuclear fusion. PACS.: 25.45 – deuterium induced reactions Submitted to Physics of Atomic Nuclei/Yadernaya Fizika in Russian This seems to me, an unqualified, careful scientific layman, to be reasonable, simple theory, citing recent experiments: "Recent experiments on fusion of elements on accelerators For atom-atom collisions the expression of the probability of penetration through a Coulomb barrier for bare nuclei should be modified, because atomic electrons screen the repulsion effect of nuclear charge. Such a modification for the isolated atom collisions has been performed in H.J. Assenbaum and others [6] using static Born-Oppenheimer approximation. The experimental results that shed further light on this problem were obtained in relatively recent works C. Rolfs [7] and K. Czerski [8]. Review of earlier studies on this subject is contained in the work of L. Bogdanova [9]. In these studies a somewhat unusual phenomenon was observed: the sub-barrier fusion cross sections of elements depend strongly on the physical state of the matter in which these processes are taking place. Figure 1 (left) shows the experimental data [8], demonstrating the dependence of the astrophysical factor S(E) for the fusion of elements of sub-threshold nuclear reaction on the aggregate state of the matter that contains the target nucleus 7Li. The same figure (right) presents similar data [7] for the DD reaction, when the target nucleus was embedded in a zirconium crystal. It must be noted that the physical nature of the phenomenon of increasing cross synthesis of elements in the case where this process occurs in the conductor crystal lattice is still not completely clear" 7. C. Rolfs, “Enhanced Electron Screening in Metals: A Plasma of the Poor Man”, Nuclear Physics News, Vol. 16, No. 2, 2006. 8. A. Huke, K. Czerski, P. Heide, G. Ruprecht, N. Targosz, and W. Zebrowski, “Enhancement of deuteron-fusion reactions in metals and experimental implications”, PHYSICAL REVIEW C 78, 015803 (2008. 9. L.N. Bogdanova, Proceedings of International Conference on Muon Catalyzed Fusion and Related Topics, Dubna, June 18–21, 2007, published by JINR, E4, 15-2008-70, p. 285-293. Can these papers be shared in full or in part? http://www.utsouthwestern.edu/findfac/research/0,2357,17436,00.html Name: Edward N. Tsyganov, Ph.D. 214-648-3689 Academic Title: Assistant Professor Administrative Title: Clinical Assistant Professor Primary Appointment: Radiology School: Southwestern Medical School Affiliations: Radiology RESEARCH OVERVIEW Novel detectors for X-ray and gamma particles. Positron emission tomography, single photon emission tomography, X-ray tomography (CT). Novel 3D reconstruction algorithms for PET, SPECT, CT and optical imaging. Gas Electron Multiplying Detectors for Medical Applications. RESEARCH INTERESTS Positron emission tomography; 3-D imaging reconstruction; novel nuclear detectors. E. N. Tsyganov, "Concept of DD fusion in crystals" Laboratory Nazionali Di Frascati, LNF-09/ 10 (P):1-6, September 2009 E. N. Tsyganov, "DD fusion in crystals" Physics of Atomic Nuclei, Vol. 73, No. 12:pp. 1981-1989, December 2010 http://www.verticalnews.com/premium_newsletters/Physics-Week/2011-04-26/63540PH.html Physics Week Welcome to VerticalNews! We're a pay-per-view site for premium content. If you'd like to purchase this article, it's only $3.00. Nuclear Physics Research Data from E.N. Tsyganov and Coll
Re: [Vo]:more speculations on break-up
Yeah, there's no excess heat, and so no catalyst... nothing going on but increasingly desperate hot air... within mutual service, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com 505-819-7388 On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 11:26 PM, pca wrote: > While this would explain much, I'm still totally puzzled as to why Rossi > spends so much time answering questions on his blog. This is ballistically > unreal for an industrialist creating a multi-billion dollar industry. Is he > just satisfyting his ego ? He would have a better use of his time preparing > a convincing demonstration of his device. Defkalion's communication was > much more professional in this regard (except for their forum). > > PCA
Re: [Vo]:I wrote a poem
...because it's already so! On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 8:37 AM, wrote: > > I want to let you all know > October will come and go > and there will be nothing to show > > Frank
Re: [Vo]:more speculations on break-up
Jed, you are right. On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > pca wrote: > >> >> Deploying one, let alone millions, of Hyperion units in unsecured places >> gives plenty of opportunity for competitors to acquire the device and >> reverse engineer its secret. Defkalion's attempts to add security within >> the Hyperions are not credible. It's much better for Rossi to have >> licencee(s) build a few large electricity-generating units in well-garded >> places, and sell the electricity to resellers. > > The strategy would not work, and it would not be allowed. It would not work > because "security by obscurity" for such a momentous discovery would never > last. Someone would reveal the secret, or steal a sample of material and > reverse engineer it. > It would not be allowed because no first-world nation will permit people to > build a nuclear reactor without first fully explaining how it works, and > without having hundreds of experts at national laboratories, universities > and elsewhere examine the devices to make certain the are safe. The > accidents at Three Mile Island, Chernobyl and Fukushima make that > unthinkable. The public would not stand for it. Nor should the public stand > for it. This is not 1948, when governments and corporations could do > whatever they please in secrecy. As much as I support cold fusion, I think > it would be insane to have anything other than kilowatt-scale research > reactors in laboratories until all of the experts agree they know how the > reaction works and they are sure it cannot produce harm. This will take many > years, and billions of dollars. > Defkalion believes they will be allowed to distribute these things in Europe > before the devices have been vetted by nuclear experts worldwide and before > there is complete understanding the the reaction. I think there is no chance > this will be allowed, even if the Greek Min. of Energy tests are completed > an a license is granted. As soon it becomes generally known that these are > nuclear reactors (as I am certain they are) the public and governments > worldwide will demand that sales be put on hold while experts worldwide test > thousands of units for thousands of hours. > Details will be published in leading journals of physics and engineering, > just as they are for semiconductor or combustion technology. There will be > conferences with hundreds of attendees at which the technology is discussed > in great detail, where universities and corporations reveal their latest > findings and new versions of the reactors. Textbooks on the technology will > be published. There will be no fundamental technical secrets at all, any > more than there are for the fundamentals of semiconductors. All this will > happen -- and must happen -- before a single reactor is sold to the general > public. That is how the modern world works. > In the modern world we do not allow automobile companies to sell a new type > of car until they first spend a hundred million dollars on crash tests and > other safety verification. We know more about automobiles than practically > any other technology, so computer simulations of crash-tests would probably > produce the information we need. But the public still insists that > manufacturers start over from zero and crash physical prototype cars into > barriers. The public is right to demand this. The extra cost of this testing > spread over the cost of each automobile later sold is small, and the > benefits -- lives and money saved -- far outweigh the cost. Since we make > such demands on automobile manufacturers for a well-understood, well-known > conventional technology, I am sure we will make much greater demands for a > new, unknown type of nuclear reactor. It would be irresponsible not to. This > will add only a few dollars to the cost of each reactor. > - Jed >
Re: [Vo]:more speculations on break-up
This year I have warned that any unknown nuclear physics has to be immediately and fully explored, because the world security implications re weaponry for nations, terrorists, and criminals has to be quickly assessed and answered practically and effectively world-wide -- certainly we all have to know whether a single person or small group could innovate quickly a device to destroy a city or a nuclear reactor or dam -- so actually, the cold fusion community is an early warning system for our world -- read up about what happened in 1939, when nuclear fission was found by accident in January, and WWII started in August -- What if a uranium-graphite pile happened to be both explosive and movable by ship, submarine, railroad, or truck? Not every reader of Vortex-L is a lone amateur... skilled surveillance will be careful to project whatever persona that will be most widely effective -- say, a very widely active interpreter of Japanese... but I jest... recently reading John Le Carre... within mutual service, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com 505-819-7388
Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)
re concise, pointed emphasis on specifics, very objective, by Abd -- thanks anyone yet trying a "dummy" replication of the Rossi device by using an electric, pencil-shape resistor heater in a clear glass tube with fixed input water flow? Peter Gluck and others are talking up Francesco Pianelli: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/08/how-does-apply-prof-piantelli-rules-of.html [ Posted by Peter Gluck at 6:52 AM ] EGO OUT WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 17, 2011 How does apply Prof. Piantelli the Rules of Galileo in practice Applications of Galileo’s Rules in TM-LENR (from Piantelli’s messages) His experimental facts gathered in 20+ years of work in the most orthodox mode possible and following the 4 rules of Galileo -- still not completed…have shown him a way (he has arrived to the 4th rule verification) Note: When our intensive and, for me, very instructive and enjoyable correspondence has started -- March 2010, he wrote about the state of facts in his own LENR research- in his laboratory from Colle di Val d’Elsa: We are in the preindustrial phase. The reproducibility is 100% There are possible modulations of power of 50% We have already determined the primary reactions We have determined some of the secondary reactions We have made tests with other transition metals (besides Ni) and the results are excellent, in special for one of the metals used. The theory is in course of publication and I have sent you the abstracts. One of our cells has now worked in our lab at Colle di Val d’Elsa with good stability (fluctuations less than 5%) We have evidenced emissions of photons of high energy, continuously It is put in evidence a non-electrostatic potential difference between the extremities of the rod on which the metal clusters are deposited. In meantime, he made great advances and is working, in the spirit and the practice of the scientific method -- on scale-up. (in 2010 he was on the intensity level of tens of Watts energy gain) [ more... ] http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/08/16/roy-virgilio-on-piantelli-plus-the-2008-piantelli-hypothesis/ http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/photos/ very colorful, also 2011 posts linked ???! within mutual service, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com 505-819-7388 Skype audio, video rich.murray11
[Vo]:lame LENR H-Ni run report by Sergio Focardi and Francesco Piantelli, 9 pages, Il Nuovo Cimento, November 1998 -- recent news: Rich Murray 2011.08.20
lame LENR H-Ni run report by Sergio Focardi and Francesco Piantelli, 9 pages, Il Nuovo Cimento, November 1998 -- recent news: Rich Murray 2011.08.20 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011_08_01_archive.htm Saturday, August 20, 2011 [ at end of each long page, click on Older Posts ] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/94 [ you may have to Copy and Paste URLs into your browser ] __ [ summary of critique: science that purports to establish a notable percentage increase in excess heat as a reproducible anomaly, as reported herein, is very lacking re many critical details and shows lack of common sense consideration of reasonable complications -- as usual in LENR research, an enthusiastic team created a "black" witch's cauldron, full of impurities, sealed and invisible to detailed observation during months of cooking in H2 gas at high temperatures. Probably, corrosion opened up additional conducting paths, reducing the total electrical resistance fed by the constant voltage power supply, increasing the total input electric power via increased current flow, which increased ordinary electric heat effects in complex ways within the black box. So far, the surge of enticing, but vague, thin, and variable information follows the pattern of the Rossi debacle in 2010-2011... ] [ search http://www.lenr-canr.org/ Piantelli to get 5 pages of items that include many full text papers ] http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/FocardiSlargeexces.pdf 10 pages IL NUOVO CIMENTO VO L. 111 A, N. 11 Novembre 1998 1233-1242 Large excess heat production in Ni-H systems S. FOCARDI (1), V. GABBANI (2), V. MONTALBANO (2), F. PIANTELLI (2) and S. VERONESI (2) (1) Dipartimento di Fisica, Universit`a di Bologna e INFN Sezione di Bologna - Bologna, Italy (2) Dipartimento di Fisica, Universit`a di Siena e Centro IMO - Siena, Italy (ricevuto il 9 Marzo 1996; revisionato il 16 Settembre 1996; approvato il 30 Giugno 1998) In a previous paper [1] some of us reported on the existence of an anomalous heat production observed in hydrogen-loaded nickel rods. The phenomenon occurs when a cell containing a nickel rod is maintained at temperatures above a critical value and is filled with gaseous H2 at subatmospheric pressures. A constant input power was used to raise and keep the cell temperature constant at its working value (corresponding to about 700 K for the Ni rod). It was possible to induce an increase of the sample temperature from its working value to about 820 K. This anomalous equilibrium condition will be referred in the following as excited state. The system was able to remain in the excited state for several months. The experimental cell described in ref. [1] was successively modified and also a new cell was built with an improvement which allows the measurement and the monitoring of the external surface temperature. With this new set-up, the external temperature increase, together with the internal one, have been utilized to characterize the excited state of the Ni sample. The existence of an exothermic effect, whose heat yield is well above that of any known chemical reaction, has been unambiguously confirmed by evaluating the thermal flux coming from the cells. An important feature of our systems is that they can remain in the excited state for a long time. This characteristic allowed us to search for ionizing radiation coming from the cells. Very clear evidence of neutrons and -rays has been reported by us [2-4]. Systematic studies of such processes and their correlation with heat production are in progress. Cell B (see fig. 1b) is constructed in a similar way. The cell vessel is a stainless steel tube (d in = 22 mm, d ext = 28 mm, [ tube wall thickness 3 mm ] length = 150 mm) ending with commercial vacuum fittings flanges CF35. [ inner surface area of tube? Any physical or chemical changes after months of use at high temperatures? ] A second stainless steel tube (d in = 34 mm) [ 3 mm space between the inner and outer tube ] is placed around this vessel to create an interspace and to allow a fast cooling of the cell, if necessary. The heater, supplied by means of a d.c. voltage stabilized power supply (Alpha Electronica mod. AL818), is a Ni-Cr wire fastened around a ceramic cylinder (external diameter 21 mm). [ 0.5 mm space between ceramic heater cylinder and inner surface of stainless steel tube ! even smaller space from electric heater wire to inner surface of stainless steel tube -- does wire expand enough during initial high temperature "activation" heating to short out on inner surface of stainless steel tube? ] [ Stable against fluctuations of input AC utility power? Stability of output over months of operation? Actual voltages and their fluctuations during these many month long runs -- any permanent, detailed records? [ resistance at all temperatures of the heater wire? diameter, length, mass, and surface area of the heater wire? Composition,
[Vo]:discussion from Facebook page re Krivit interview with Levi - Bologna - Italy - ( Cold Fusion "Andrea Rossi" Method ) Thursday, August 18, 2011: Gilbert Schmidt: Rich Murray 2011.08.22
discussion from Facebook page re Krivit interview with Levi - Bologna - Italy - ( Cold Fusion "Andrea Rossi" Method ) Thursday, August 18, 2011: Gilbert Schmidt: Rich Murray 2011.08.22 e-cat discussion text file (Cold Fusion "Andrea Rossi" Method) fromGilbert Schmidt gilbe...@rocketmail.com to rmfor...@gmail.com cc gilbe...@rocketmail.com dateSun, Aug 21, 2011 at 8:34 PM subject e-cat discussion text file (Cold Fusion "Andrea Rossi" Method) 8:34 PM (11 hours ago) I tried to put it into a regular post, but it would not post. I did not think that it was much bigger then your large post. I just posted a copy in the yahoo files section. Discussion From facebook page - ( Cold Fusion "Andrea Rossi" Method ) Thursday, August 18, 2011 Krivit interview to Levi - Bologna - Italy 2011 - Giuseppe Levi Discusses Andrea Rossi's Energy Catalyzer - Part 1/5 http://www.youtube.com/user/StevenKrivit#p/u/5/Ml-NElJ-Cf0 Jonas Sundberg: Wet steam...it's a scam :( Thursday at 9:31pm · Jouni Valkonen: There is no such thing as water boiler that produces less quality steam than 95% dry. Krivit is a crackpotter, as he thinks such way. I have boiled hundreds of times water and I have always gotten high quality steam also when cutting forces are stronger than supposedly in E-Cat. If very wet steam would be physical possibility, no steam engines would work, because the essence of steam engine is that water boiler produces always dry steam. Thursday at 9:50pm · Albert Kong: Thousands of watts should be unmistakable. The absence of urgency and rigor in precise measurement is in fact quite consistent with this amount of power. In fact with this level of power I would be more suspicious of an expensive, laborious measurement process for such a claim. The stray 10 Watts dismissed in the interview would have been a great result if it were excess power in the past, even by hot fusion standards. If that isn't coming a long way, I don't know what is? Thursday at 11:51pm · Gilbert Schmidt: It has been shown that there are no water level controls on the system, therefore access water, after filling up the device to the steam outlet tube, would flow out with the steam into the drain. . This was clearly demonstrated in the need to empty the tube of "water and condensate" , before showing the steam come out of the tube in the june video. . That outlet tube should always have been emptied into a bucket so that all the condensate and water from any overflow would go into the bucket, so that it can be measured, by either volume or mass. . There was definitely overflow of water into the steam outlet pipe. . No one has wanted to measure this, to show how much water did overflow. . A bucket was used in an earlier video, but I have not heard of any attempt to measure the water accumulation in the bucket, and the bucket did show a lot of water in it. . It is possible for this water overflow, to account for all of the access energy that is claimed to be produced. . No one can know for sure, until this is measured in a test. Yesterday at 3:42am · Loıd Ǝddǝsnıƃ: Krivit's critics appear like someone analyzing a Formula 1 car with engine idling low, during a pit stop. The point is that Krivits doesn't know anything more than any other casual spectator... After september comes october... who will live will see. Yesterday at 5:40am · · 1 personL Albert Kong: If the device is overflowing there would be only one discharge, water, that is it. If any steam is observed, the device cannot be overflowing. Water/steam, it is not that complex. Yesterday at 10:49am · Jouni Valkonen: Gilbert, Mats Lewan collected water into bucket and notised that there was not signifigant overflown present but >75% water was steamed and liquid water was just condensed as steam kept water in the bucket at 99.9°C. Also we can calculate this same ratio that ca. 80% dry steam/20% hot water/1.5% wet component of steam directly from steam overpressure that was around 3.3kPa. As there was mentioned formula-analog, I think that Mr. Krivit saw only a dummy E-Cat that was set for 20 min demonstration for a journalis, where electric heater was only active at power ca. 820W as was measured and water inflow rate was 1-2kg per hour, wich was not measured. Yesterday at 11:05am · Gilbert Schmidt: When there is any water overflow occurring, there is absolutely no problem with having both water and steam coming out together in any ratio. . I have worked in the field of engineering for many years and have worked with steam production and steam calculations extensively. . I have been involved with steam boiler inspections, steam boiler maintenance, and steam boiler repairs. . I have not been saying that this device does not produce access energy. . What I have been saying is that no one is willing or allowed to do the simple (very simple) tests
[Vo]:New energy storage device could recharge electric vehicles in minutes, Li ions in graphene filled plates: PhysOrg.com 2011.08.19: Rich Murray 2011.08.22
New energy storage device could recharge electric vehicles in minutes, Li ions in graphene filled plates: PhysOrg.com 2011.08.19: Rich Murray 2011.08.22 http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-08-energy-storage-device-recharge-electric.html New energy storage device could recharge electric vehicles in minutes August 19th, 2011 in Nanotechnology / Nanophysics Enlarge [ image ] Compared with supercapacitors and batteries, SMCs (with three different electrode thicknesses shown) offer both a high power density and high energy density. Image copyright: Jang, et al. ©2011 American Chemical Society (PhysOrg.com) -- It has all the appearances of a breakthrough in battery technology, except that it’s not a battery. Researchers at Nanotek Instruments, Inc., and its subsidiary Angstron Materials, Inc., in Dayton, Ohio, have developed a new paradigm for designing energy storage devices that is based on rapidly shuttling large numbers of lithium ions between electrodes with massive graphene surfaces. The energy storage device could prove extremely useful for electric vehicles, where it could reduce the recharge time from hours to less than a minute. Other applications could include renewable energy storage (for example, storing solar and wind energy) and smart grids. The researchers call the new devices "graphene surface-enabled lithium ion-exchanging cells," or more simply, "surface-mediated cells" (SMCs). Although the devices currently use unoptimized materials and configurations, they can already outperform Li-ion batteries and supercapacitors. The new devices can deliver a power density of 100 kW/kgcell, which is 100 times higher than that of commercial Li-ion batteries and 10 times higher than that of supercapacitors. The higher the power density, the faster the rate of energy transfer (resulting in a faster recharge time). In addition, the new cells can store an energy density of 160 Wh/kgcell, which is comparable to commercial Li-ion batteries and 30 times higher than that of conventional supercapacitors. The greater the energy density, the more energy the device can store for the same volume (resulting in a longer driving range for electric vehicles). “Given the same device weight, the current SMC and Li-ion battery can provide an electric vehicle (EV) with a comparable driving range,” Bor Z. Jang, co-founder of Nanotek Instruments and Angstron Materials, told PhysOrg.com. “Our SMCs, just like the current Li-ion batteries, can be further improved in terms of energy density [and therefore range]. However, in principle, the SMC can be recharged in minutes (possibly less than one minute), as opposed to hours for Li-ion batteries used in current EVs.” Jang and his coauthors at Nanotek Instruments and Angstron Materials have published the study on the next-generation energy storage devices in a recent issue of Nano Letters. Both companies specialize in nanomaterial commercialization, with Angstron being the world’s largest producer of nano graphene platelets (NGPs). As the researchers explain in their study, batteries and supercapacitors each have their respective strengths and weaknesses when it comes to energy storage. While Li-ion batteries provide a much higher energy density (120-150 Wh/kgcell) than supercapacitors (5 Wh/kgcell), the batteries deliver a much lower power density (1 kW/kgcell compared to 10 kW/kgcell). Many research groups have made efforts to increase the power density of Li-ion batteries and increase the energy density of supercapacitors, but both areas still have significant challenges. By providing a fundamentally new framework for energy storage devices, the SMCs could enable researchers to bypass these challenges. “The development of this new class of energy storage devices bridges the performance gap between a Li-ion battery and a supercapacitor,” Jang said. “More significantly, this fundamentally new framework for constructing energy storage devices could enable researchers to achieve both the high energy density and high power density without having to sacrifice one to achieve the other.” Enlarge [ Image ] The large surface areas of the SMCs’ electrodes enable rapid shuttling of large numbers of ions between electrodes, resulting in a fast recharge time. Image copyright: Jang, et al. ©2011 American Chemical Society The key to the SMCs’ performance is a cathode and anode that contain very large graphene surfaces. When fabricating the cell, the researchers put lithium metal (in the form of particles or foil) at the anode. During the first discharge cycle, the lithium is ionized, resulting in a much larger number of lithium ions than in Li-ion batteries. As the battery is used, the ions migrate through a liquid electrolyte to the cathode, where the ions enter the pores and reach the large graphene surface inside the cathode. During recharging, a massive flux of lithium ions quickly migrates from the cathode to the anode. The electrodes’ large surface ar
Re: [Vo]:The Percolator Effect
Thank you Horace, I think you really have driven the final nails into the Rossi coffin, with your exemplary analysis of the percolator effect, along with cogent remarks about the endless wan discussions. within mutual service, Rich Murray
[Vo]:Rich Murray added your name to the Academia.edu directory of academics
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Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik
Amazing persistence with consistence by Rossi and unskilled observers, as yet again a flawed demo that provides partial and inadequate evidence and information for settling the issue of whether there is indeed any excess heat or other anomalies... Naturally, a pragmatic skeptic will consider how the electric heater would be the source of the temperature fluctuations... There needs to be detailed information about the location of the thermister, the actual mass and geometry of the interior of the device, and tests to determine its thermal mass and average heat capacity -- also heat capacity may vary with flow rate, temperature, and pressure -- if the heater heats a local region with substantial mass to temperatures much higher than the 130 deg C (water, steam, both?) outside the local region, then with electric power shut off, that heat in the hot local region will continue to flow into the wider region where the water flows, increasing its temperature a few degrees... so not a heat after death LENR miracle, but just complex thermal inertia... As Spock often noted, human behavior is constantly facinating in the variety of its strangeness...
Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik
If the input water is municipal water, then it contains minerals, which will deposit out as boiler scale within the device, changing its temperature flow characteristics and internal geometry -- for instance, partially blocking and thus constricting the smallest outlet diameter, increasing the resistance to water flow, increasing the internal water/steam pressure within the device, causing increases of temperatures both of water and also of the heater resistor deep within the device, along with the mass of metals, storing increased heat energy in materials at various locations and temperatures -- if the heating resistor starts to deteriorate from overheating and corrosion, developing cracks, then it can short out the input electric voltage, electrolyzing the water into H2 and O2 bubbles, and causing many other complex electrochemical reactions with the impurities and dissolved metals in the water at various locations, temperatures, and pressures within the "witch's cauldron" -- eventually runaway short circuits can destroy the heater resistor and explode the device...
Re: [Vo]:The September E-Cat
You can lead a mule to a barrel full of hot water from an Ecat, but you can't make him think... Well, actually, having just ragged the Pros here, I owe them an apology, as they offer politely and clearly expressed views in this forthright, fair debate in dialogue with the convincing comments of the Cons, which I find persuasive -- where is Joshua Cude ? -- we need you! within mutual service, Rich Murray
Re: [Vo]:Lewan uploads temperature data for Sept. 7 run
Horace, thanks for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_diffusivity It's useful to know that water has one of the lowest values -- so if some of the water flow is stopped in some parts of the Fat Ecat, for instance by being in some side chamber, bypassed by the main flow, then it would be slow to come to an equilibrium heat flow, so, for instance, doubling of the heat input from the electric heater resistor would send a clear-cut heat pulse slowly across the thickness of the immobile water, if it doesn't reach boiling temperature, which would increase turbulent convective heat transfer -- such a heat pulse could reach the thermister a certain time after the electric power cutoff -- the main point being: we can't assume much about this stunningly complex system when we have no details about the design or synchronized measures at many locations at once for hours of stable operation. You present calm, clear, extremely reasonable points to justify qualified skepticism -- I suspect Jed is likely to agree within a few days. within mutual service, Rich
Re: [Vo]:Lewan uploads temperature data for Sept. 7 run
Well, I did get an MA in psychology in 1967 -- decades ago, I read about a Neuro Linguistic Programming gambit, to wit: "Jed, please, above all else, do not just jump swiftly to a completely skeptical appraisal of Rossi's demos..." the strategy being to use supporting the partner in doing the opposite of what one thinks is best, in order to plant in the same sentence the suggestion that mentions what one thinks is best -- e, it works, too... from my point of view, it can be helpful to offer a sibling some mild, accepting, nonpushy outlines that highlight a possible breakthrough -- I've done this for Rossi several times for months, outlining the possible benefits of publicly acknowledging his own path of folly -- in 1988, when I was losing my friends' investments as an amateur day trader, a nice stranger took me for lunch, mildly inquired about what I was doing, and after a while, he muttered something about the danger of getting caught up in a Ponzi scheme, without requiring me to have to respond -- it wasn't until 1994 that I was able to sell my house at a 50% gain, and willingly pay back my many friends $ 70 K -- so I know how it feels to evolve with the best of intentions step by step into a hazardous blind alley in the maze of life -- this self-disclosure, also, is a well-known mode for sharing healing ideas -- we are all one another's keepers -- I am pleased to see these complex, confused, polarized discussions going on for weeks and months with warmth and humor and mild exasperation -- he who talks his walk has foot in the mouth disease? -- perhaps you have some more reservations re my sharings -- indeed, I'm all ears! -- "within mutual service" highlights the awesome actual intimacy within which apparently highly individualized evolving aspects of single entire unified creative hyperinfinity collaborate... richly, Rich On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 6:20 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: > From Mr. Murray > >> You [Horace] present calm, clear, extremely reasonable points to justify >> qualified skepticism -- I suspect Jed is likely to agree within a few >> days. > > Horace often presents interesting points worth considering. > > However, for you to follow-up with your own prediction that Mr. Rothwell > will soon capitulate to the other side is, to put it bluntly, naive of you. > There is little "mutual service" in making predictions of the opinions of > others on these matters. You strike me as being oblivious to the fact that > what you are doing is a form of psychological manipulation, even though I > suspect that from Jed's POV, he could care less what your opinion of his > predicted opinions might be. > > Let me put it to you this way: Is it really any of your business, predicting > the opinions of others? It's rude and offensive conjecture on your part. It > serves no purpose other than to give yourself another shot-in-the-arm. It's > nothing more than manufacturing a form of psychological self-assurance that > your own opinion must be right, because you now predict that others will > soon come around to the same opinion of yours as well. > > Really??? > > Who knows what opinions Jed may feel more comfortable broadcasting to the > Vort Collective tomorrow. Shoot! I have no idea what my own opinions might > turn out to be tomorrow either. It's a full-time job managing my own > opinions. They change all the time! > > Rich, please PLEASE! ...just be responsible expressing your own opinions, > and let others manage the responsibilities of their own. > > Regards, > Steven Vincent Johnson > www.OrionWorks.com > www.zazzle.com/orionworks > >
[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Review of Travel report by Hanno Essén and Sven Kullander, 3 April 2011
Hello Horace, I appreciate the thorough and highly competent and experienced skill with which you have made exceedingly clear that so far the Rossi demos fail to prove any anomalies. Thanks, Rich
Re: Aw: Re: [Vo]:stopping
Methanol from many sources can lead to formaldehyde lesions in blood vessels in the retina... Aspartame is indeed 11% methanol (wood alcohol), which the human body quickly turns into formaldehyde via the ADH enzyme, concentrated in many tissues: Rich Murray 2011.09.21 Aspartame is indeed 11% methanol (wood alcohol), which the human body quickly turns into formaldehyde via the ADH enzyme, concentrated in many tissues: liver, kidney, brain, retina, skin, prostate, breast, womb, muscle -- forming cumulative micro lesions and a wide variety of symptoms. Other methanol (formaldehyde) sources include wood and tobacco smoke, dark wines and liquors, fruits and vegetables heated in sealed metal and glass containers, and aspartame, as well as a variety of products ranging from medicines to new carpet, drapes, and furniture to mobile homes. People vary enormously in individual vulnerability. Folic acid can protect many people. See while-science-sleeps.com/references/pdf/586 Prof. (retired) Woodrow C. Monte. Amid health fears, Diet Coke sweetener [aspartame] in safety spotlight, Sean Poulter, UK Daily Mail 2011.05.27, 141 comments: Rich Murray 2011.05.30 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011/05/amid-health-fears-diet-coke-sweetener.html http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1625
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT forum appears to be open again
SNAFU ... ?
[Vo]:H2 and O2 bubbles <.15 micrometer burn, damaging electrodes in AC electrolysis -- could complicate cold fusion devices: Rich Murray 2011.09.28
H2 and O2 bubbles <.15 micrometer burn, damaging electrodes in AC electrolysis -- could complicate cold fusion devices: Rich Murray 2011.09.28 [ Rough surfaces on electrodes and other components, with catalytic impurity concentrations and higher localized voltages and temperatures, may cause larger microbubbles to spontaneously combust, increasing surface damage and adding complex reaction products to the electrolyte, producing local heat and more catalytic deposits -- making a bubbling scientific witch's stew... ] http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-09-spontaneous-combustion-nanobubbles.html Spontaneous combustion in nanobubbles September 28, 2011 Enlarge [ black and white images ] Formation of bubbles at the electrodes during electrolysis (can be seen in a and b). Situations c, d, and e show the formation of both hydrogen and oxygen on the left, hydrogen alone in the middle and oxygen alone on the right. Situation e shows combustion taking place on the left. No bubbles can be seen on the electrodes. (PhysOrg.com) -- Nanometer-sized bubbles containing the gases hydrogen and oxygen can apparently combust spontaneously, although nothing happens in larger bubbles. For the first time, researchers at the University of Twente’s MESA+ Institute for Nanotechnology have demonstrated this spontaneous combustion in a publication in Physical Review E. They intend to use the phenomenon to construct a compact ultrasonic loudspeaker. The fact that a violent reaction takes place is already evident from the damage incurred by the electrodes with which the reaction is initiated. These electrodes are used to make hydrogen and oxygen by electrolysis, in the usual manner, in an ultra-small reaction chamber. If the plus and minus poles are continually alternated, tiny bubbles containing both gases arise. The frequency with which the poles are alternated determines the size of the bubbles: the higher the frequency, the smaller the bubbles. Combustion only takes place in bubbles that are smaller than 150 nanometres (a nanometre is a millionth of a millimetre); nothing happens in larger bubbles. Early experiments in microreactors also showed that nothing happened in larger bubbles; the heat can dissipate to the larger internal surface. Meters per second Researcher Vitaly Svetovoy was working on the construction of an actuator for rapidly building pressure when he came across this phenomenon. Such actuators are, for example, used in loudspeakers for ultrasonic frequencies undetectable by the human ear in the medical world. None of the mechanical techniques currently available are suitable for making a very compact loudspeaker of this kind and still achieving a 'deflection' of metres per second on this scale. Svetovoy thought, however, that it might be possible by building up pressure with bubbles. The problem was that the bubbles could be made very rapidly but that they did not disappear quickly enough. The combustion reaction that has now been demonstrated might solve this problem. But it causes other problems too, such as the damage to the electrodes. "That is what we now have to look at", Svetovoy said. This research was carried out by Prof. Miko Elwenspoek's Transducer Science and Technology group of the University of Twente's MESA+ Institute for Nanotechnology. The article 'Combustion of hydrogen-oxygen mixture in electrochemically generated nanobubbles' by Vitaly Svetovoy, Remko Sanders, Theo Lammerink and Miko Elwenspoek appeared in Physical Review E on 23 September 2011. Provided by University of Twente (news : web)
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT forum appears to be open again
snafu -- from WWII, "Situation normal -- all *ucked up"
Re: [Vo]:Some personal thoughts on NET & Krivit
To keep Krivit in perspective, about 20 qualified experts contributed carefully to his >200 page critical report -- so he was hardly the only one to notice an error being erroneous... Let's encourage Rossi to see the possibilities of constructively and humorously sharing how he experienced this dramatic process... after all, it's no Fukushima... I think he'll have company with Piantelli... Wind and solar are well on an exponential growth process, along with energy storage and transmission breakthroughs, as well as computers and the Internet in general, while high altitude balloons will rapidly replace rockets to give us the solar system safely without pollution... within mutual service, Rich Murray
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT forum appears to be open again
Lots of situations on V-L, I don't have or else don't share an opinion: 1 not worth my time 2 too much effort to gather and comprehend enough fractured details 3 can't bother to write up an adequate discussion 4 the issue is polarized, so each side listens to their own chorus 5 maybe a newbie would benefit 6 maybe can encourage other skeptics 7 maybe can get someone else to provide better analyses 8 like to show paying some cursory attention 9 welcome being wrong, especially when there's a big benefit for all of us -- albeit an hugely impossible to assess possibly catastrophic weapons hazard 10 prefer to wave flag clearly, if wave at all, while being brief 11 would hate to see Rossi harm himself 12 do enough appraisals to become convinced -- yes, Rossi is confidently caught up in delusion 13 as is Piantelli 14 seems like Krivit is saying NASA also saw the darkness at the end of the stairs 15 I really enjoy Horace Heffner these weeks, and Joshua Cude in recent months 16 believe that Krivit, like me, basically wants to find for himself what the case actually is 17 many big players have goofed -- Defkalion, the USA firm 18 it's valuable that a fairly tolerant discussion has evolved on V-L and H-Ni_Fusion and Krivit's site 19 basic focus is seeing how the entire shebang, universes on all levels, arises unaccountably within awareness-being, without any actual casuality, space, time, or actuality -- always changing, never satisfying, never establishing a self within any event cluster neither "Rich" nor "not-Rich"...
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Leaks, plugups, sudden heat excursions, and explosions are reasonable outcomes when a ceramic heating resistor is raised to high temperatures within a constricted, complex chamber with a fixed flow of water throughput. Much will be revealed when public autopsies are allowed on Rossi devices that have been raised to high input energy levels, especially ones that have malfunctioned. within mutual service, Rich Murray On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Peter Heckert wrote: > Am 04.10.2011 23:05, schrieb Jed Rothwell: > > Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: > >> >> Scuze me? I can understand the leaking, but plugging up??? How does >> water flowing thru a pipe get plugged??? > > Dunno. I guess maybe in the portion surrounding the cell. Anyway, I have > heard it gets plugged up. > It is easy to see why it often leaks. Look at the photos of the rough & > ready construction of the prototype cells. > > He should get a better plumber. > My heating where I live does not leak ;-) >
[Vo]:Fwd: Pendulum physics -- 15 pendulums, longer in a line, show spurious casuality with remarkable wave dynamics, Ernst Mach 1867, 1:45 video: Rich Murray 2011.10.04
Fwd: Pendulum physics -- 15 pendulums, longer in a line, show spurious casuality with remarkable wave dynamics, Ernst Mach 1867, 1:45 video: Rich Murray 2011.10.04 -- Forwarded message -- From: John Garst Date: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 12:49 PM Subject: Pendulum physics To: John Garst Just neat! JEG http://sciencedemonstrations.fas.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k16940&pageid=icb.page80863&pageContentId=icb.pagecontent341734&state=maximize&view=view.do&viewParam_name=indepth.html#a_icb_pagecontent341734
[Vo]:Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Pendulum physics -- 15 pendulums, longer in a line, show spurious casuality with remarkable wave dynamics, Ernst Mach 1867, 1:45 video: Rich Murray 2011.10.04
Thanks, Bruce -- I notice when I make the view smaller, then I see all balls as rotating counterclockwise, with the top violet end faster, as a spinning spiral staircase becomes a double helix... Rich Murray
Re: [Vo]:prediction for the Oct 6 Fat Cat demo
Yeah, I predict: FUBAR f* up beyond all reason... Rich Murray
Re: [Vo]:prediction for the Oct 6 Fat Cat demo
yes, but what's going on since 1989 is more collective mutual delusion, rather than deliberate lying, in most cases -- as one who has twice failed radically at attempting day trading stocks, I notice that Ponzi schemes in all their variety constitute much of what is still presented as legitimate business activity -- disconfirmation is interpreted as some personal failing, not as evidence for the profound delusion of the entire field -- in addition, the unimaginable unity and subtlety of the present moment of awareness is the ultimate source of invalidation of all perceptions, concepts, and projects -- so question everything deeply for yourself, as Buddha advised -- tend the garden of your own present moment of awareness, as Voltaire ended his novel "Candide" -- Google "nonduality"... within mutual service, Rich Murray On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Peter Heckert wrote: > I have two souls inside my chest: > I want to believe it, but I cannot believe it. > > My intellectual mind says, no this will not work. They are all lying like > mad. > > When I first heard about this I did not know much about this. > I have readed that Levi claimed there where energy bursts of 100 or 200 kW > some months ago. > > With my todays knowledge I know, this is impossible, because it is > impossible to measure this amount of energy with this machine even if it > would be true. > If it really happens for more than some seconds then the machine must > explode or the core must melt down. > If it happens for less, then it cannot been measured. > > So I think, he told us a some obvious nonsense lies from the beginning on. > I cannot trust a scientist who tells such stories without reasonable > scientific and technical explanation, how this happened. > Therefore I cannot trust persons who trust him. > > Also the claims of Defkalion in their forum must be untrue and Rossi doesnt > comment this and still is big friend with Stremmenos who is Chief scientist > and vice president of Defkalion. > > I dont know why they do this. Do they take drugs? Have they all invested > money? Is Rossi addicted to this role to be an inventor like a junkie? > Did they ever seriously check the amount of energy? > Or is this a social group effect where every member of the group is proud to > tell some new success stories and the other members believe the stories > without seriously testing? This is what happens in religious groups. > > We know from history there are such cases. > > My other mind says, yes there was some energy observed by Kullander and > Essen. But I dont know if this was achieved by a trick, because the amount > was low. > > I ask myself, when NASA tested Ni-H fusion sucessfully in 1995, why didnt > they follow this path and made a definitive proof? > Why did Piantelli make Patents and stop this research, when they had so much > success? > Why doesnt Mills produce any products? > > Why isnt there a clear and repeatable key experiment to proove LENR effects? > > Metal hydrides are heavily used in industry and very well researched. When > magnets are ball-milled they are converted to hydrides and they are milled > in a hydrogen athmossphere. This is done because the hydrogen removes the > magnetism. > Why arent there cases of explosions or overheating? > > I remember Mallove years ago announcing devices soon going in production. > This where impossible thermal pumps, producing more output than input as > well as "cold fusion" machines. These announced machines where never seen in > reality. > Some of them are Perpetuum mobiles of first kind. > > Now, if a movement has such prophets, then it is hard to believe anything.
Re: [Vo]:prediction for the Oct 6 Fat Cat demo
I enjoy your truth-full spunk -- my wife and I have read some Eckhart Tolle every day for years -- I let A Course In Miracles work on me daily since August, 1977 -- yes, no evidence possible in any dream, while awareness-being is not dream or even source of dream -- peaceful dreams conveniently allow some vacation space to explore relaxing beyond dreaming -- "row row row your boat gently down the stream, merrily merrily merrily, life is but a dream..." we sang in 1954 Presbyterian summer camp in Bastrop,Texas -- yes, I've myself acted outrageously many times in life -- now limit it to posts on the Net, being 69 -- within mutual chagrin, Rich On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 6:41 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: > Ah... I seem to have an overpowering urge to ramble on for a bit. Please > feel free skip the following soliloquy if one is easily bored by matters > pertaining to the care and feeding of our inner psyches. I've noticed that > on more than one occasion commentary attributed to Mr. Murray seems to bring > out a desire on my part to meddle with the opinions of others. It seems to > generate a desire within me to pontificate at my own expense – and obviously > to the expense of anyone else so inclined to eavesdrop. You have been > forewarned! ;-) > > > > > > From Rich: > > > >> yes, but what's going on since 1989 is more collective > >> mutual delusion, rather than deliberate lying, in most cases > >> -- as one who has twice failed radically at attempting day > >> trading stocks, I notice that Ponzi schemes in all their > >> variety constitute much of what is still presented as > >> legitimate business activity -- disconfirmation is interpreted > >> as some personal failing, not as evidence for the profound > >> delusion of the entire field > > > > Exactly whose delusions are we wrestling with here? > > > > As previously mentioned, I attempted to make a profit in the commodities > market. I was trading commodities close to real-time. What I was doing was > not all that different than trying to make a living as a Day Trader. I lost > a lot of savings in my attempts, and needless to say I wasn't too happy > about it. (I can sympathize with your own circumstances, and I feel your > pain.) Fortunately for me, the economic damage I was personally responsible > for was pretty much self-contained. I didn't pilfer the savings of anyone > other than my own accounts, and as such, only had myself to blame when it > came time to paying my bills. ;-) > > > > FWIW, when forced to confront very blunt lessons, such as the loss of a > significant amount of money due to one's own misjudgments, it becomes easy > to become overwhelmed by the painful memories & the consequences that > ensured. They can color one's outlook on life. It's easy to become > suspicious, even cynical about the subsequent actions and motivations of > ourselves and of others as well. > > > > It's at this stage that one must be alert to the possibility of projecting > the memories of our personal failures onto the actions of others – > particularly activities that seem to strike an unpleasant chord within our > own psyches. This certainly applies to what has been going on in the CF > field for the past 20 years. It also includes Rossi & Co, and any potential > competitors who might be out there, like Piantelli. However, trying not to > project the circumstances of our own failures into of the perceived actions > of others is NOT an easy lesson to master. I’m still working at it. > > > > In other words, It takes one to know one. > > > >> -- in addition, the unimaginable > >> unity and subtlety of the present moment of awareness is the > >> ultimate source of invalidation of all perceptions, concepts, > >> and projects -- so question everything deeply for yourself, > > > > > > On the surface this sounds like an interesting comment, maybe even profound > on some transcendent level. However, to be honest I don't get what you're > trying to say. Are you implying our perceptions at every moment in time are > prone to be invalid - inaccurate??? Well, shoot! Scholars and religious > leaders have been debating the reality of our existence since the dawn of > mankind. In the end, who cares! Regarding the more intriguing phrase > pertaining to "...the present moment of awareness" – I'd like to follow up > with the comment that it has been my experience that a more practical way to > perceive reality is to stay focused on the present moment. Try to remain > conscious of one's own inner "being-ness" and of one's presence in the > external surroundings. Speakers like Eckhart Tolle, inform us of the fact > that we often seem get overly caught up in convoluted memories of painful > past actions, or we get caught up over real or imagined fears of what the > future may bring for us. What Tolle and other speakers of his caliber have > tried to suggest to their audiences is that all of these fixations subtract > from us the simple fact t
Re: [Vo]:Raymond Zreick tweets translated by Google
5 deg rise in water from input to output thermister -- need to disconfirm the possibility of a small local heater hidden within the thermister... Rich Murray [ never a "pathological skeptic"... -- merely pragmatic ]
Re: [Vo]:No, it would not be a "small" local heater, and no you cannot "hide" it
Hey Jed, I imagine a small local heater hidden directly behind or within a thermister could have a thin layer of insulation protecting it from the flowing water in the heat exchanger -- obviously the thermister has wires going to it -- a wire carrying heater power could be added -- the thermister reading could also be falsified by the external circuits that it sends its signal too -- when the stakes are great, mistakes can evolve into cunning fakes -- as you often point out, Rossi is hard to understand... something this pragmatic skeptic and that honorable believer already agree on... within mutual service, Rich On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Rich Murray was quoted by Alan J Fletcher: > >>> 5 deg rise in water from input to output thermister -- need to >>> disconfirm the possibility of a small local heater hidden within the >>> thermister... >>> Rich Murray [ never a "pathological skeptic"... -- merely pragmatic ] > > REALITY CHECK. > > This would not be a "small" local heater. It would be about twice as large > as the largest room air heaters allowed in the U.S. for 120 VAC plugs. It > would the size of a small on-demand tankless water heater, which is not > something you can hide. > > There is a photo of one here. These start at 3.0 kW, as shown in the table > below: > > http://www.gotankless.com/point-of-use-water-heater.html > > Here is the inside of the 3.5 kW model, the Mini-4: > > http://www.gotankless.com/stiebel-eltron-mini-4-tankless.html > > In real life, given the inefficiency of the heat exchanger you would need > the 5.7 kW Mini-6 unit. > > The observers opened up the reactor. Do you seriously believe they might > have overlooked this much hardware? Do you think they failed to see the 10 > AWG wiring? These are experienced scientists and engineers. They recognize > electric heaters when they see them. > > - Jed > >
Re: [Vo]:No, it would not be a "small" local heater, and no you cannot "hide" it
Hello Jed, Hey, I've failed to communicate to you just what I mean... Not being mean, just presenting meaning... I'm describing firstly: 1. a way of causing the output thermister to put out a 5 deg C higher signal than the input thermister, assuming as a pragmatic skeptic, that the water temperature is in fact unchanged -- so hide a small heater within or behind the thermister, with a small wire supplying 10-20 W right by the tiny sensitive region of the thermister, perhaps with a thin transparent insulating layer over the thermister, to reduce heat loss from the small heater into the water... 2. probably even easier, mess with the electric signal that goes into the temperature display device, probably with hidden circuits within the device, so that an operator at a distance can control the temperature display with a very low power wireless signal that is received within the device. So, please think about this and come up with some cogent arguments that both of these approaches to scientific fraud are impossible, so that thoughtful, polite, and reason and evidence driven discussion can eliminate this as a real factor in today's demonstration... Rich Murray is a polite, pragmatic, cautious, imaginative skeptic, just one ordinary contributor, playing an essential role in a possibly crucial field with over two decades of mistakes, fraud, lack of persistent independent confirmation of any anomalies, lack of experimental and theoretical progress, polarization of positions, and a shortage of critical self-scrutiny by those who present claims of anomalies... Again, he emphasizes that exploration of all these claims should be publicly explored, and he praises you for presenting a thorough free public archive of two decades of research. You impugn your own credibility and our common cause, if you continue to choose to dismiss Rich Murray as a "pathological skeptic"... within mutual service, Rich Murray On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Daniel Rocha wrote: >> >> Jed, so, you can say now that you are convinced that eCat is 100% true. > > Unless these people are lying. Or, unless when they open the reactor they > find a 5 kW heating element. > There may be some problem with the test. Let us wait to see the reports. My > point is that the problem suggested by Murray is ruled out. There is no such > thing as an invisible 5 kW electric water heater with no wires. That's > ridiculous. > That does not mean all other problems are ruled out, or ridiculous. For > example, it could be that the inlet and outlet thermocouples are not > properly calibrated. There might be a large bias. I hope that they took > steps to ensure this is not the case. I suggested several steps they should > take to do this. I have not heard yet whether they did take these or other > steps. > A lot of things can go wrong with flow calorimetry. However, many people are > practiced in the technique, and it is not difficult to eliminate all likely > sources of error. Whether they eliminated them in this test I cannot say. > The previous reports were not detailed enough to ensure that all sources > were eliminated, but they did give me the impression that an error is > unlikely. The previous tests should have been more rigorous, and the reports > should have been more detailed. They should have included, for example, the > make and model of every instrument used, and some discussion of null runs > and calibration. Krivit says there is "no evidence" of heat in 10 tests. > That's an outrageous exaggeration. There was considerable evidence even if > it was poorly presented and not fully convincing. There was also evidence of > other Ni-H reactions from other researchers. In cutting edge scientific > research, if you demand perfectly convincing proof before you begin to > believe something -- or at least find it credible -- and you demand that > every i dotted and every t crossed, you will never look at any interesting > new claims. All discoveries are a mixture of true and false. > It remains to be seen whether this test will be convincing. > - Jed
Re: [Vo]:[NET] E-Cat Test Demonstrates Energy Loss
a little intemperate, using "stupid" to dismiss a journalist who mobilized over 20 experts to contribute to a over 200 page critical review of Rossi's demos, with no name calling... within mutual service, Rich Murray On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: > hmm... it is very hard to describe how stupid Steven is. Perhaps we should > bet some two cents how long time it will take when he notices his slight > errors in calculations. But being such a stupid in basic reasoning ability, > it gives some respect to Levi et al. how difficult it is to understand > things when you do not have no one other to think for yourself. > > But luckily Steven was not there in Bologna, because if he had been there, > we would not have had any useful data, because as scientist Steven is > completely incompetent. It is just a shame, how foolish people can get when > they have destroyed their scientific credibility. > > —Jouni > > ps. hint for Steven. minumum total output was 120 MJ... And input was 31 MJ. > I think, that total output will rise over to 180 MJ when we analyze the heat > exchanger efficiency more carefully. > > lauantai, 8. lokakuuta 2011 Akira Shirakawa > kirjoitti: >> Hello group, >> >> Have a read at this new blogpost by Steven Krivit. There's also an email >> from Brian Ahern in the comments. >> >> >> http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/10/08/e-cat-test-demonstrates-energy-loss/ >> >> Cheers, >> S.A. >> >>
