William Beaty wrote:
They somehow found a small incandescent bulb which contains hard vacuum.
Stick it on a Tesla Coil circuit so the whole bulb sits at high AC
voltage, but also the filament lights up. And what do they observe?
Weird inexplicable forces! But they wrongly assume that they've
Howdy folks,
I suppose I couldn't stay away for too long. Things have settled down a
bit, so maybe I will be posting again. In any case, I waded through a
few hundred emails from the group, finally going back into my account.
About the Nimtz FTL thing...here's a link that has some interesting
Dear Vortexians,
Given a set of circumstances which have come upon me in the past few
weeks, one death, another to imminently die, and another wasting away
with Lou Gehrig's disease (amyotropic lateral sclerosis), plus a loss
through the above death of almost all contacts or potential
Hello all,
I will sort through the latest messages on this and post replies as soon
as I am able. I'm a good bit behind things as it is right now due to the
sudden and unexpected death of a close friend.
--Kyle
Gentlemen, an update from the lab,
Tests using smoke reveal the following:
1. With the Borbas device free to rotate, smoke is relatively unaffected
in proximity to the device. It is hard to tell however exactly what is
going on as the smoke is also being stirred around by the device motion.
Michel Jullian wrote:
Hi Kyle,
Good work and good reporting, as always! Some comments below.
No problem, and I appreciate the kind words.
Ah yes I had forgotten about those stator bound emitters in the
Borbas device! Indeed, to develop what you say in point 8 below,
those become the
Horace Heffner wrote:
Even more sad. Sigh.
I had a few hopes for this one, but it looks really bad. This is just
another ion driven gadget. The ball end indeed apparently attracts (and
is attracted by) the ions in front of it and creates a wind over and
around the ping pong ball. This
Michel Jullian wrote:
Kyle kindly proposed to do some more tests, a smoke test with the
rotor blocked and another one without the rotor (and its spindle
bluntes) would be quite instructive!
Yes, I can probably do that in a bit. I'm off now to go deal with some
things around the house,
I wrote the following
I think Borbas was expecting the wind to be coming from behind the
balls,
Re reading the above, I realize I need to use a bit more tact in writing
messages. to the uninitiated, speaking of wind...coming from behind
the balls might seem a bit crude. :)
--Kyle
Michel Jullian wrote:
That's good, keep us tuned if that supply doesn't get you ;-)
Regarding 3 and 4, why would you expect to see air moving outside of
the bag? The device and Newton should be happy with air moving only
inside (in the direction opposite the rotor) shouldn't they?
Actually, I
William Beaty wrote:
But... there would be no ion flows near the rotor if the pingpong balls
were truely insulating. A cloud of opposite ions would just gather around
the pingpong balls, then all air flows (ion flows) would stop. So I bet
the pingpong balls are terrible insulators, and
Howdy folks,
Well, I bit (past tense of I'll bite) so I made one of these things
and tested it. It does work, as Miklos Borbas says, but some things need
to be addressed here.
1. The power supply I used outputs 10 - 30kVDC at around 5mA. Higher
current is available, but I limit it to this
- Original Message -
From: Paul Lowrance [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Read posts before replying, PLEASE
snip a lot...all in fact, read it carefully though
I take it then that you nor anyone else really wants to
To all, and some in particular, and some not in particular
Please READ people's posts before posting replies. That means the whole
damned thing, whether or not you agree with it. If you do not take the time
to read the entire thing, either because you are too lazy to do so, or
because the
- Original Message -
From: John Berry
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Global Warning
It is already far warmer that it has been for an extremely long time, not
500 years.
I can't be bothered reading the rest of your ignorant post but if
- Original Message -
From: Paul Lowrance [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 2:05 AM
Subject: Re: [VO]:Global warning caused by humanity-- now factually based.
There are scientists who disagree with Dr. Brenda,
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:38 AM
Subject: [Vo]:
Against this backdrop, Washington is consumed with ethanol euphoria.
President Bush in his State of the Union address set a production goal for
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Scam or no?
5 gallons = 19 liters; 19 kg. The heat of vaporization of water is 540
cal/g, so they are claiming at least 42 MJ/min energy
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Outrage !!
But not enough to cover the cost of pollution or the war -- which is
mainly a war for oil. That is why the nation
- Original Message -
From: John Berry
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Outrage !!
Great, so $1360 a month, .
Ends up about $800 for me a month, not including picking up my fiancee from
her workplace. I suppose she could quit working
- Original Message -
From: John Berry
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Outrage !!
Turn up the heater, do go for a drive in the summer and find less
depressing music and maybe environment.
Unfortunately, I can't turn off my thoughts. My
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Outrage !!
I confess that I pulled the toll of $1 per mile out of a hat. The correct
figure should be ~$0.25 per mile. This
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Outrage !!
I do not know whether highway taxes are more likely to invite corruption
than other kinds, but I think we should
Original Message -
From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Lifters
hmmm
A sheet of paper inserted in the gap of a spark plug will
prevent my dad's lawn mower from working. Does that prove
beyond a shadow
- Original Message -
From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Re: Lifters
So the high voltage source is what drives the pump ?
Of course, it drives the Lifter, and the lifter is acting as a sort
- Original Message -
From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 1:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Lifters
I did it with a balance beam and a pointer, and saw nothing significant.
Also did it set up as a torsion arm.
How did you calibrate
- Original Message -
From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Re: Lifters
No extra force in oil, it works just the same as a lifter it's an EHD
thruster, called ion drag pump when the medium is a
- Original Message -
From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Lifters
So the lifter was oriented so it would move horizontally rather than
vertically ?
In some tests, it was set to move horizontally, in
- Original Message -
From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Re: Lifters
Then why did you say made to work by sucking and pumping the oil?
What I mean by that is, the lifter worked, as in
- Original Message -
From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:06 PM
Subject: [Vo]: Re: Lifters
They work fine in a grounded metal cage in my experience. In the
experiments you describe it may be more a question of the LDPE
- Original Message -
From: David Thomson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:08 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]: Lifters
What was the highest potential used in the vacuum experiments?
Around 20kV.
As I see it, there is a balance between the charges
- Original Message -
From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Lifters
Did they place the box (with lifter inside) on a scale?
The weight should not change if it is ion wind.
I did it with a balance
- Original Message -
From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:43:03 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
I solved the paradox by
All,
As far as the lifters go, I can say this: I have worked with these little
gizmos quite a bit in the past, particularly several years ago when
Transdimensional and all started the hype. I don't know what NASA has to
say about them, nor do I particularly care, given their (NASA's) rather
- Original Message -
From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox
Distant stars are not out of sight fortunately :)
Depends on how close to the rather light pollutive city of
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics
No offense to anyone, but I just cannot imagine not hearing about
M-theory. It's by far the biggest thing in
- Original Message -
From: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: FRE
snip my mention of Pellegrino/Zebrowski
Do you really think there was a beginning? If so,
then what created that beginning?
Uh...what does this
- Original Message -
From: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: FRE
Ugg,
capitalism. When is humanity going to grow
past the need for the me me me stage? In all
fairness here is humanities evolution --
Hmmm.
If you can find some way to make the temperature high enough (interesting,
high temperature cold fusionheh), and I mean bloody high, that is, a
pure fusion explosion, then we are all set. Pure fusion Orion.
IIRC, one of the Orion proposals was to weigh a few thousand tons, and with
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Cold fusion powered rockets
Better than that. Freeman Dyson's super Orion was going to use 1,080
bombs of 3 tons each, with the mass of the ship being
- Original Message -
From: thomas malloy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 4:32 PM
Subject: [Vo]: What Energy Crisis?
What energy crisis? IMHO, the energy crisis you face is an inability to
generate a suitable income. I have the same problem.
- Original Message -
From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Musings on grid-independence and personal
alternativeenergy
Say what?
I didn't send you a negative off-list response! I didn't send
- Original Message -
From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Musings on grid-independence and personal
alternativeenergy
As the wind charger -- we live in a woods, so I'm not sure how
- Original Message -
From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Oil shale research in Israel
Speaking as a CO2phobe and bonafide tree-hugger I object to being called
an envirofascist.
I notice you
Interesting if accurate:
http://www.upi.com/Energy/view.php?StoryID=20061107-070924-5161r
And the CO2phobes begin to scream in 5...4...3...2
If indeed workable, we can begin 2 things almost immediately, if played
right:
1. Rapidly shut down U.S. reliance on foreign oil imports, ideally
- Original Message -
From: Jeff Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 11:49 AM
Subject: [Vo]: FW: [Vo]: weight and charge
Rather than use hydraulic shocks on vehicles that convert energy into
waste
heat, why not use electro magnetic shocks
- Original Message -
From: Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: OT: Give Mel a Break?
Would all follow this law, we would be admitted into the Galactic
Federation. Until then, we are considered
- Original Message -
From: Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:40 AM
Subject: [Vo]: How Can You Be in Two Places at Once . . .
The quantum world is about to get bigger
01 November 2006
From New Scientist Print Edition.
The
- Original Message -
From: Standing Bear [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: The Hydrino Harvester (c)
There is a company called JP Aerospace that has an idea of
going to space in a balloon.
- Original Message -
From: Standing Bear [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:50 PM
Subject: [Vo]: Chinese Tokomak Fusion
PS The Chinese are also interested in the Shawyer photonic drive device.
Wanted to buy the rights to it.
I think its
- Original Message -
From: Philip Winestone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: SUVs
But NOBODY can answer the question I ask constantly (in fact I've been
greeted with consistently stony silence, even from journalists
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Aquaculture for energy
... and other passenger vehicles that
gets less than 20 mpg. Confiscate and destroy them all. Pay the
owners the
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From: Remi Cornwall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 3:23 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]: faster than light speeds, CBR etc.
There must be a chance of seeing a frame 0 we have been accelerated from
whose time is running fast, not
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: California Sues Car Co.s
There is no question that tobacco kills hundreds of thousands of
Americans.
I didn't say
- Original Message -
From: John Berry
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: stationary emdrive- inertial anchor
No Kyle, your mistaken.
You doubt KE = 1/2mv^2? To postulate a scenario where a supposed
reactionless engine consumes
- Original Message -
From: John Berry
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: stationary emdrive- inertial anchor
Not in anything other than reactionless propulsion.
But why make it a special case?
But you must assume that the
- Original Message -
From: John Berry
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: stationary emdrive- inertial anchor
What you should note is that this device if it works at all MUST violate
the conservation of energy, there is no way round it,
- Original Message -
From: Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Aether and free energy, etc
String theory is dead.
Terry
Now THAT would make a nice T-shirt.
String theory is dead. -Blanton
But try
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From: John Berry
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products
I am sort of against the war at this point
Bright chap eh? ;)
I prefer the dark myself.
Your 'sort of' against the war at this point? I
- Original Message -
From: Nick Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 6:25 AM
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products
I'm snipping most of this as it is not really worth the effort
Currently, America and Israel are the greatest threats
- Original
Message - From: "Nick Palmer" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: vortex-l@eskimo.comSent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 6:25
AMSubject: [SPAM] Re: [Vo]: New Segway ProductsI'm snipping
most of this as it is not really worth the effort Currently,
America and Israel are the greatest threats
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From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products
..and exactly why do you think the suicide bombers feel that it
is worth giving up their lives?
Because, if you
- Original Message -
From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products
Wrong. Both Jews and Christians *are* doing these things too. The
only difference is that the Muslims don't have
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From: OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products
I can sympathize with your sense of outrage. However, are you willing to
acknowledge the sense of outrage that also exists on
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From: OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products aka: Why We Fight
snip my previous comments
...solve the problem more elegantly and completely The ultimate
solution? Hasn't that
My $0.51 (adjusted for inflation and rising energy costs):
1. I think the matter of who stole what land from who to make who's nation
is a moot point from a serious point of view. Israel is a free,
industrialized technological nation. They have a large number of scientists
and do not fly
- Original Message -
From: Kyle R. Mcallister [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 6:47 PM
Subject: [Vo]: Methane as fuel, recycling CO2?
Not a single reply. This seems common with anything I post.
--Kyle
Hello all,
First off, I must say I hate the term alternative energy. Why? Alternative
has a sort of 'its not the greatest but its something to fall back on' kind
of attachment to it. I think this stuff is more like advanced energy, but
thats just my $0.75 (inflation, no longer $0.02)
I've
Neuroscientists at the University of Southern California have proposed a
simple explanation for the pleasure of grasping a new concept: The brain
is getting its fix. According to researcher Irving Biederman, the click
of comprehension triggers a biochemical cascade that rewards the brain
with
Probably most of them I would imagine since in the course
of one short e-mail you managed to misspell Vortex TWICE!
lay population of Votex
I hope others in and of votrtex
I think it is perhaps better to misspell than to populate Vortex-L with any
number of oddball theories
nothing to reply to directly
I am beginning to find the tone and/or subject matters of recent postings
disturbing. And not only of this particular thread.
Will someone please explain what has happened to vortex in the past few
years? It is not the same. If its not clear what I am saying, I
Re: Scientists? We note voltage..but no mention of current
- Original Message -
From: Harry Veeder
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: Scientists? We note voltage..but no mention of current
I don't know anything about this experiment,
but current
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
In case nobody's noticed, things are hotting up in South America too.
Morale's nationalization of Bolivia's oil fields is surely just the
opening gambit.
I dare say the rulers of Central and South America are quite familiar with
the notion of Peak Oil...
True.
I suppose that a fully electric vehicle with four independent motors
coupled directly to the wheels might be even more efficient. That
design would do away with the need for a transmission and
differential. You would have to trust the computer to keep the car on
the straight and narrow!
I for
snip description of experimental setup
This is old news, has already been done by Podkletnov, Schnurer, etc.
Someone needs to let these guys know that there is nothing new under the
sun.
The history and ethics of science is damned interesting, isn't it?
--Kyle
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