- Original Nachricht
Von: Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 26.10.2011 23:07
Betreff: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and Government Taxation
Greetings Vortex,
IF Rossi is successful , as I expect, I wonder what will the world
governments will do on
- Original Nachricht
Von: Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 27.10.2011 06:47
Betreff: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Rossi?s customer
Like usually, Daniele is misinformed with his rumors. The real
Customer is Maddelena!
He is not misinformed. He is
You forget something that Jobs and others have demonstrated:
Crazyness and ingnorance are not enough to change the world.
Most who are crazy are not genius and not capable..
- Original Nachricht
Von: Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 27.10.2011
How Much is One (1) Megawatt
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:How_Much_is_One_%281%29_Megawatt
- Original Nachricht
Von: peter.heck...@arcor.de
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 27.10.2011 11:49
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Rossi?s customer
Possibly he has no customer.
This big demonstration with world top class scientists and journalists from
top scientific
2011/10/27 peter.heck...@arcor.de
I wouldnt be too surprised if he plans to blow up the 1 MW plant in a big
bang and then claim nuclear energy. This would solve the problem for him
and the story can
go on.
It recalls how ended up the TEG story with DoD.
*After this initial success, and a
- Original Nachricht
Von: Susan Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 27.10.2011 13:01
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Rossi?s customer
2011/10/27 peter.heck...@arcor.de
I wouldnt be too surprised if he plans to blow up the 1 MW plant in a
big
bang
My review at:
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/Rossi6Oct2011Review.pdf
has been updated. Improved graph formats were provided. I will be
available to discuss this once my finite element analysis is done.
Meanwhile, I'll hopefully resume lurk mode.
A significant part of the update is
2011/10/27 peter.heck...@arcor.de
I dont know what is true about this.
You can judge bay yourself reading the DoD report
dodfuelcell.cecer.army.mil/library_items/Thermo(2004).pdfhttp://dodfuelcell.cecer.army.mil/library_items/Thermo%282004%29.pdf
From:
http://www.rossilivecat.com/
Quote:
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Andrea Rossi
October 25th, 2011 at 4:59 PM
Dear Thomas Blakeslee:
Grams/Power for a 180 days charge
Hydrogen: 18000 g
Nickel: 1 g
Warm Regards,
A.R.
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End quote.
At
notice R. Buckminster Fuller in that video.
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote:
Here’s to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the
round pegs in the square holes… the ones who see things differently —
they’re not fond of rules…
Greetings Vortex,
Yes, the Newspapers have been real whores in their treatment of Cold Fusion
/Fleischmannn and Pons et al,
and yet they will take the money from advertising cold fusion products in
the future. I should be corrected:
Prostitution does provide a service for money- and they are a
Greetings Vortex,
Yes, the Newspapers have been real whores in their treatment of
Cold Fusion /Fleischmannn and Pons et al,
I can not see that newspapers have been derelict in their
reporting duty when it comes to cold fusion. There must be
hundreds of crackpots and conmen out there who are
There is now tremendous interest in demoing micro-grids for US
domestic and military use. GE politically and positionally would be a
very logical candidate to utilize a working 1MW steam generator in one
of the already planned micro-grid demonstrations. A working 1MW unit
could be plugged into the
On Thurs Oct 27, 2011 Horace said [snip] It does not seem credible the energy
from a Ni-H reaction, at least
in the form of one gamma per reaction, provides any explanation for 1 MW of
heat, if that thermal power is in fact achieved.[/snip]
Horace,
Assuming the thermal power is in
Hello,
I had a thought about the self sustained Mode:
If the power was not continuously monitored, then Rossi could have a remote
switch in his pocket or elsewhere.
The italian grid and the plug can supply 16 Amps @230V. This are 3.68 kW.
If he activates the switch always when nobody is
See:
http://www.youtube.com/user/kiholobay
Colin Hercus wrote:
The manufacturers data sheet indicates it has variable rate and
*variable stroke* pump and doesn't indicate that a tube can be
replaced or even that it's a peristaltic pump.
I believe it is a constant displacement pump, not peristaltic.
Peristaltic pumps do not have
peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
If the power was not continuously monitored, then Rossi could have a remote
switch in his pocket or elsewhere.
The italian grid and the plug can supply 16 Amps @230V. This are 3.68 kW.
If he activates the switch always when nobody is looking to the powermeter and
This is a lot of good work, Alan. I am amazed at the number of high
quality posts on Vortex. I am having trouble keeping up because each
post warrants a good deal of thought.
I examined pictures of the manifold and created a diagram to capture the
important features. [I made a small .png
Many people accept the concept of Casimir geometry achieving
peak activity in the range of low nanometers. The Casimir formula doesn't seem
to make this distinction although the force under consideration in these
anomalies also includes the gas atoms upon which the Casimir
I have no idea who this customer might be. I do not like to guess, speculate
or read the tea leaves when I have no information, but I believe it is
unlikely that a major corporation is involved. I say this for the following
reasons:
Several large corporations and institutions such as Georgia Tech
Am 27.10.2011 15:52, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
If the power was not continuously monitored, then Rossi could have a
remote switch in his pocket or elsewhere.
The italian grid and the plug can supply 16 Amps @230V. This are 3.68
kW.
If he activates the switch always
At such a great scale The Oct. 28 Test is a contradiction
in terms- it has to be at least the 3 days test starting on Oct. 28
No company having elementary idea of engineering would accept a short test
for such a Behemoth, there are necessary hours to make all the 52 Fat-Cats
functional, then
they
Please feel free to write your prediction about the Oct 28 1MW Rossi test.
** Please include a 0 to 100 prediction **
0 is a scam is exposed, 25 is an unexposed scam, below 50 is failure,
and 100 is commercially viable no doubt LENR power.
Here is my prediction, mostly taken from comments on
RUNNING COST FOR THE 1MW E-Cat:
A lot have been written the last 2 days (on E-Cat blogs web sites) about
the running cost of the 1 MW E-Cat Power Plant that has only focused on the
cost of the nickel hydrogen fuel used.
One should not forget that the I MW E-Cat Power Plant will not run in
Well, I will bet 25!
2011/10/27 ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com
Please feel free to write your prediction about the Oct 28 1MW Rossi test.
** Please include a 0 to 100 prediction **
0 is a scam is exposed, 25 is an unexposed scam, below 50 is failure,
and 100 is commercially viable no
Crazy Ideas canhave merit; Crazyiness? probably not!
Crazy ideas are part of the creative process; even the unworkable crazy ideas
can lead us down new paths that do have unexpected good solutions. Perhaps some
people have a sort of controlled or intermittent craziness. It is really hard
for
Am 27.10.2011 17:44, schrieb ecat builder:
Please feel free to write your prediction about the Oct 28 1MW Rossi test.
** Please include a 0 to 100 prediction **
0 is a scam is exposed, 25 is an unexposed scam, below 50 is failure,
and 100 is commercially viable no doubt LENR power.
25 or 50.
A huge nuclear explosion with a lot of tritium and cobalt 59 fall out would
make me happy! At least it would show to all mankind that LENR is a true
phenomenon.
2011/10/27 Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de
Am 27.10.2011 17:44, schrieb ecat builder:
Please feel free to write your
Please feel free to write your prediction about the Oct 28 1MW
Rossi test. ** Please include a 0 to 100 prediction **
0 is a scam is exposed, 25 is an unexposed scam, below 50 is
failure, and 100 is commercially viable no doubt LENR power.
I'll go with the prediction of 0 as stated on the
33.33 - some excess heat, not controllable, cannot be maintained for long.
insufficient steam, far from a Energy Source, inexistent Customer, technical
problems, a few dead E-cats. I hope NO explosion, NO leaks, No blackout in
the area. Romanian expression a bit improved describing the event
50: High input for the run. The run will be too short. There will be too
many unresolved variables. Same as always...
The easiest thing for me to believe is that he DOES have a working Ni-H
cold fusion method, but nothing will be proven until the device gets
into the hands of individual
I predict that the test will perform as expected. The power output will be 6 +
times the power input and we will all celebrate. The product will need to be
cleaned up in order to be produced properly. The system being tested is still
a prototype and Mr. Rossi is constantly improving the
you know peter,since youre always so negative about rossi and now you say
theres no customer, i#m going to be overtly positive and guess its Apple.
i hope these two messages cancel eachother out.
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
At such a great scale The
My two cents:
I don't doubt most of Jed's assessments and the subsequent concerns he
has voiced concerning Rossi's approach. Some of the issues that have
made this so frustrating for most of us has been the fact that (one)
we really don't know what's going on, and (two) who is this allegedly
Thank you. Esa for your attention to my message. The truth is that
I have lost two friends for thinking thta the Rossi E-cat gives some excess
heat. I don't like his strategy, his experimental methods, I very strongly
dislike The idea of combining 156 cores in the setup thta will be tested
Hi,
On 27-10-2011 17:35, Peter Heckert wrote:
No, if a trained person does this, nobody would notice. Think what
magicians can do.
So now you think Rossi is an illusionist a-la David Copperfield or
someone else who is attending ?
Do you really think that this fits with Rossi's flamboyant
Greetings Vortex,
This seems to be downplayed in the media for obvious reasons:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Shell-Exxon-profits-swell-on-rb-1478626168.html?x=0.v=5
The earning news it is strategically placed at the bottom of the webpage.
This was headline news..then the title
Am 27.10.2011 20:33, schrieb Man on Bridges:
Hi,
On 27-10-2011 17:35, Peter Heckert wrote:
No, if a trained person does this, nobody would notice. Think what
magicians can do.
So now you think Rossi is an illusionist a-la David Copperfield or
someone else who is attending ?
Do you really
Peter Heckert wrote:
The anomalous power greatly exceeded the total power that you can
input with the joule heaters.
There can be a secret heater.
No, there could not be. The wire going into the reactor is not heavy
enough to support the anomalous power that was produced. It would have
Can you please give some price limits for
167 kWh electric energy and
1000 kWh thermal energy, say carried by steam 115 deg Celsius?
Thanks,
Peter
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Jorn Erik Ommang j...@enerley.com wrote:
RUNNING COST FOR THE 1MW E-Cat:
A lot have been written the last 2
Am 27.10.2011 20:55, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Peter Heckert wrote:
The anomalous power greatly exceeded the total power that you can
input with the joule heaters.
There can be a secret heater.
No, there could not be. The wire going into the reactor is not heavy
enough to support the anomalous
A couple of people have written to me to say that this is a test reactor so
you would not need a permit for it. I doubt that.
In the US you are not allowed to install a 1 MW conventional boiler without
a license, and you are not allowed to operate it without a permit. I do not
think they would
ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote:
The 1MW plant will create 1.2MW+ power with less than 2MW sustained
input for over 8 hours.
Do you mean less than 2 kW input?
It is not difficult to produce 1.2 MW with 2 MW of input power.
I would not dare make such detailed predictions for
There are some ifs and buts associated with this subject. It has been known
for over a hundred years how that hydrogen will defuse through a hot metal
enclosure.
The rate of diffusion is subject to the temperature and pressure of the
hydrogen, together with the exact kind, thickness, and
Damn the measuring instruments, full speed ahead!
Those instruments tell sometimes nasty things.
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
A couple of people have written to me to say that this is a test reactor so
you would not need a permit for it. I doubt
This is a nonsensical argument. The less hydrogen available for
nuclear reactions the *more* the MeV per reaction that is required to
make the 1 MW output, thus the less effective any shielding would be,
and the *less credible* it is that the MW heat comes from nuclear
reactions.
On
Hi,
On 27-10-2011 21:04, Peter Heckert wrote:
Am 27.10.2011 20:55, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Peter Heckert wrote:
The anomalous power greatly exceeded the total power that you can
input with the joule heaters.
There can be a secret heater.
No, there could not be. The wire going into the
Peter Heckert wrote:
No, it would not burn up. This cable lies free on the floor and in
ambient air.
In your dreams.
But okay suppose that is true. How do you explain the fact that when
there was power going in and when people were looking at the meter,
after anomalous power began, more
The test has already began, if you count inspecting the machine as part of
the test:
http://ecatnews.com/?p=1095
2011/10/27 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
Damn the measuring instruments, full speed ahead!
Those instruments tell sometimes nasty things.
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:09 PM,
There is one perspective that us believers in cold fusion might not
understand or not consider operative in the minds of the naysayers.
They think that Cold fusion is simply lot of non-sense and that Rossi is
just another wacko who is just configured a Robe Goldberg Machine of pipes
that mean
My review at:
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/Rossi6Oct2011Review.pdf
has been updated. Improved graph formats were provided. I will be
available to discuss this once my finite element analysis is done.
Meanwhile, I'll hopefully resume lurk mode.
A significant part of the update is
Am 27.10.2011 21:25, schrieb Man on Bridges:
Hi,
On 27-10-2011 21:04, Peter Heckert wrote:
Am 27.10.2011 20:55, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Peter Heckert wrote:
The anomalous power greatly exceeded the total power that you can
input with the joule heaters.
There can be a secret heater.
No,
Daniel Rocha wrote:
The test has already began, if you count inspecting the machine as
part of the test:
http://ecatnews.com/?p=1095
That's good. It should have begun weeks ago, but that's good.
When I predicted that the instrumentation would be inadequate, I meant
that would be the case
This post is not archiving for some reason. I have inserted a blank
into the URLs as a test.
My review at:
http://www.mta online.net/~hheffner/Rossi6Oct2011Review.pdf
has been updated. Improved graph formats were provided. I will be
available to discuss this once my finite element
The following is pure speculation on my part:
Is it possible that the anomalous heat recorded in Rossi's eCats has
nothing to do with a nuclear reaction - and particularly as having
anything to do with the nucleus of nickel.
I'm wondering if it possible that the anomalous heat is actually due
to
Hello Horace,
I have generated an additional review which I plan to publish soon. The new
analysis I have completed shows absolute proof of LENR by my thinking. I found
a way to read the data that is very interesting.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Horace Heffner
In the Miley presentation that he has recently released, Miley shows
transmutation to 39 isotopes over possible contamination levels.
The nuclear reactions and transmutation patterns that are going on inside
the Rossi reactor are similar to what Miley documents as mentioned in
Rossi’s
On Oct 27, 2011, at 4:49 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote:
On Thurs Oct 27, 2011 Horace said [snip] It does not seem credible
the energy from a Ni-H reaction, at least
in the form of one gamma per reaction, provides any explanation for
1 MW of heat, if that thermal power is in fact
You are off on a tangent. My point is that Rossi's claims are in
conflict with the observed results. I will no longer respond for now.
On Oct 27, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
In the Miley presentation that he has recently released, Miley
shows transmutation to 39 isotopes over
Cold Fusion with the help of Profesor George Miley has reached a critical
mass.
Therefore I give...Cold Fusion Technology including Rossi a 100 since it is
merely
a matter of time- and I am willing to wait.
Ciao,
Ron Kita
Doylestown PA
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:44 AM, ecat builder
At 06:51 AM 10/27/2011, Higgins Bob-CBH003 wrote:
I examined pictures of the manifold and created a diagram to capture the
important features. [I made a small .png version of the diagram that I
am trying to include.] I am not sure it is schematically correct yet.
A characteristic that I
First Post here, decided to try to contribute in some small way.
Jed is correct the Milton Roy LMI P183-363N3 is not a peristaltic pump.
http://www.lmi-pumps.com/datasheets/Pseries-08-01.pdf
I believe that the Manufactures specifications are not clear. I think that the
spec is 12.1 l/h at
This chart gives the fusing (melting) current for different sized copper wires:
http://www.interfacebus.com/Copper_Wire_AWG_SIze.html
T
Miley gave his developments and then Keith read my paper.
I should have went I know the paper better, but I did not feel like traveling.
Thanks Keith. Next time I will go and help out.
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent:
I think it is great you are pursuing this Alan.
I think the temperature of the thick brass part may play a similar or
even larger role than the steel nut.
I noted on page 4 of my review:
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/Rossi6Oct2011Review.pdf
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Here is an analysis that I just completed. It shows that Rossi has achieved
what he has been suggesting. LENR is real and will only get better with time.
Dave
I have been reviewing the data obtained during the September and October tests
and can now confirm that there is proof that the
You are placing a lot of stock on minor variances of the T2 temperature.
Have you considered that no energy increase is necessary to increase the T2
probe temperature? It is highly unlikely that the E-Cat is bone dry, and the
steam is being superheated. It is much more likely that the
Just an update that I have had no responses from the 3 senior GE Press people I emailed yesterday. I had asked them if they could comment on whether GE had any involvement with Andrea Rossi or his eCat technology.CraigFree Energy Truth
Has anyone seen a photo? Does anyone know what make/model? Does anyone know the
specific purpose it was serving? Does anyone know how it was hooked into the
circuit? Was it electrically connected to the heater? Was it electrically
connected to the E-Cat at all? Had anyone heard any reference to
The ECAT is not dry during this time, in fact it is filled with water. A small
region of vapor probably exists above the water.
I do not agree that T2 can change without energy being absorbed by the water.
All indications are that the water is in good contact with the probe.
Of course the
It appeared in the water dump at the end of the September video, that the E-Cat
pressure was above 1 ATM.
I was merely asking if you were considering that a pressure increase could be
driving an increase in boiling temperature. No is a perfectly valid answer, it
was just something that I had
David, how can you exclude the possibility of hidden chemical resources?
2011/10/27 David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
The ECAT is not dry during this time, in fact it is filled with water. A
small region of vapor probably exists above the water.
I do not agree that T2 can change without
That is OK Robert, I was just pointing out the analysis I conducted. I think
it was pretty reasonable.
I was thinking along that line myself. The question about pressure in the
condenser gave me pause at first until I realized that any significant pressure
at the ECAT end would purge the
Magic is a subject about which I am not well informed. Please review the graph
that I suggested where you take the raw data from Lewan's report and plot T2
versus Seconds in an XY plot. The correlation is essentially perfect between
the driving pulse shape and what I expect to see at T2.
I tried early on to reconcile the heat exchanger readings with what could be
occurring in the E-Cat. The placement of the thermocouple makes any power
calculation based on the the delta T highly suspect.
So, to avoid detrimental reliance on the amplitude of the heat exchanger
secondary
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
I tried early on to reconcile the heat exchanger readings with what could be
occurring in the E-Cat. The placement of the thermocouple makes any power
calculation based on the the delta T highly suspect.
I hope you realize that Houkes
See:
Despommier interview.
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/12/is-the-world-re/
Hydroponic farm. Read the captions under the photos:
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/10/gotham-greens-hydroponic-farm
- Jed
It just struck me that there is a tradeoff relationship between the use of
land and energy production.
When energy is expensive the use of land and associated food production loss
is traded off against bio-fuel production.
When energy is very cheap, energy use can be directly traded off for
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