On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
On May 30, 2013, at 11:39 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
Harry, imagine balls held in line by springs. If the end ball is pull
away with a force
Jones,
Did he make the background measure and the active run measure with the
detector in the same place and same orientation?
If he did, then the dip recorded during the active run would mean an
_active_ ecat can reduce background radiation.
Harry
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:08 AM,
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130530145930.htm
Round trip to Mars would push radiation safety limits
Astronauts could easily soak up their lifetime allowance
Mars waits for no man.
The Mars astronauts need the awesome power of LENR to get to the Red Planet
as fast as possible.
On Jun 2, 2013, at 10:01 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Round trip to Mars would push radiation safety limits. Astronauts could
easily soak up their lifetime allowance
That is true. But also Mars voyage might reduce the cancer risk of smokers,
because smokers are forced to quit
Axil,
I agree, this is my take on LENR at higher GeV range in our Brane World...
http://sdsimonson.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/dbrane-316079-image06.jpg
Stewart
Darkmattersalot.com
On Sunday, June 2, 2013, Axil Axil wrote:
LENR could be a gateway into the theory of everything.
The central
From: David Roberson
Robin, how would Rossi prevent the lead from melting at the
elevated temperatures? Do you suspect that he has it confined within a
closed shell of some kind? I do not recall seeing any place for it to hide.
I have good news to report. My hypothesis is that DC current generated by load
rectification and thus flowing through the input AC sine wave power source (3
phase input to Rossi's ECAT) does not result in the stealing of any power from
that source. Also, any second and higher order harmonic
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
Some calculations does require 200 MW reactor in order to get into Mars
less than one month.
Ed Storms is an expert on this subject. Maybe he can point us to some
papers. At Los Alamos they did some work on fission engines for spacecraft.
I think
I confirms the opinion control technology.
I try to control it too with counter-measure. Hardest point is staying calm
;-)
Most calm people, like Jed or ed, do a great job in controlling broadcasted
lies in some thread.
people have to see that the pretended skeptics are in fact conspiracy
On Jun 2, 2013, at 12:15 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
On May 30, 2013, at 11:39 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
wrote:
Harry, imagine balls held in line
I don't know the model they use for radiation impact, and I imagine they
use the false LLNT law.
http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/12/dna-repair-mechanism-works-much-better.html
moreover it is not only false (lower dose have no toxicity), but the dose
concept is false
Big-bang nucleosynthesis (BBN) theory, together with the precise WMAP
cosmic baryon density, makes tight predictions for the abundances of the
lightest elements.
Deuterium and 4He measurements agree well with expectations, but 7Li
observations lie a factor 3 - 4 below the BBN+WMAP prediction.
Hi,
I would like to ask to people who follow the LENr domain whetehr or not
there is an official policy in Scientific Journal to reject LENR/Cold
Fusion papers ?
Maybe is it more complex, so please describe.
With Oriani, Report41 Deninno, Jed asking rectification of caltech paper, I
know that
OK, Jones, let me try to summarize what you propose.
You believe CF is like the Mills effect even though CF is known to
produce nuclear products and the Mills effect does not.
You believe that Rossi made the Ni-H2 system create energy using the
Mills effect while everyone else who explored
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
people have to see that the pretended skeptics are in fact conspiracy
theorist of the worst species.
I agree. Plus they judge everything by personality and their own
assumptions, and they see only one side to a personality. They point to
Rossi's odd
An important question about the Rossi reaction (as epitomized by that
powerful image of the glowing HotCat) - is in the context of identifying
whether or not its thermal gain is expressed in the soft x-ray spectrum.
Gain cannot be seen in a higher spectrum, so soft x-rays is the best bet.
I meant to write that Edison was called a disgrace, who takes
*us*backwards. Us meaning people working on electrical engineering
and
incandescent lighting. As I recall, one of Edison's commercial rivals said
that. You will find similar quotes from Rossi's jealous rivals in cold
fusion.
That was
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
I would like to ask to people who follow the LENr domain whetehr or not
there is an official policy in Scientific Journal to reject LENR/Cold
Fusion papers ?
Yes. Most journals send a short rejection letter to any paper related to
cold fusion.
From: Edmund Storms
OK, Jones, let me try to summarize what you propose You
believe CF is like the Mills effect even though CF is known to produce
nuclear products and the Mills effect does not.
Not even close, Ed.
I specifically said that I do not address
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
No. That is not correct. Tritium would have already have been detected by
Bianchini if it was there . . .
I do not think so. Tritium would be trapped inside the cell. The decay
product is a low energy beta. If a little tritium leaks out of the cell it
My complements to Duncan for stepping up to the plate and taking time to do
this. and of course to Dave Roberson for making the model in the first
place.
Thank you Dave/Duncan!
-Mark Iverson
From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 7:22 AM
To:
Ok, so nothing official, but clear behavioral evidence of a short clear
policy. A conspiracy ? (ah ah)
I note.
by the way, remind me to call for a Nuremberg trial on Cold Fusion. Some
people have to be fired.
They have done more pain than the banksters (to whom I find the excuse that
they were
Jed is correct. Tritium can not be detected by an ordinary detector
because the beta is too weak. Unless the required special detector is
used, tritium would be totally missed no matter how much is present.
That is why tritium is dangerous. Nevertheless, modern methods can
detect tritium
Hi,
On 2-6-2013 18:28, Alain Sepeda wrote:
by the way, remind me to call for a Nuremberg trial on Cold Fusion.
Some people have to be fired.
I'm afraid you cannot compare this with the Nuremberg trial as some of
the accused and sentenced got a death penalty.
I don't see any death penalty as
Why do people keep asking to see a hydrino if we know it requires an NAE to
translate to this state? Are they asking to see the gas / powder in situ?
There is no reason to suspect the hydrogen will remain translated when it
exits the lattice although it would be interesting to know if a dihydrino
The hydrino if it exists may be a result of LENR not a causation.
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Frank froarty...@comcast.net wrote:
** ** **
Why do people keep asking to see a hydrino if we know it requires an NAE
to translate to this state? Are they asking to see the gas / powder in
You do not need to remove the gas.
I know you have heard of Bremsstrahlung, even if the word is almost
unspellable to Anglos. Thank heavens for spell checkers and Wiki vids. Here
is a little video that tells you why Bianchini would see tritium, if it was
there.
Dave,
Can the power analyzer sense DC voltages? I haven't been able to
figure this out from the manual or the datasheet, but I'm sure someone
who has actual experience with three-phase power measurements should
be able to answer that question.
--
Berke Durak
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, so nothing official . . .
It is official. All of the major journals have a clear policy of rejecting
cold fusion papers out of hand. All mass media newspapers and magazines,
except CBS and Forbes, have made it their policy to publish attacks on
Berke,
I have not seen an indication that that power meter senses DC directly. The DC
that flows into of from the source supply does not need to be sensed in order
to calculate the power being delivered from that source. I realize that this
seems contrary to common sense, but there is
Jones, you are simply wrong. I have worked with tritium and I know how
it behaves. It cannot be detected using its Bremsstrahlund unless a
huge amount is present because this radiation is produced at only a
small fraction of the beta and is absorbed very quickly by only a
small amount of
On Jun 2, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
From: Edmund Storms
OK, Jones, let me try to summarize what you propose You
believe CF is like the Mills effect even though CF is known to produce
nuclear products and the Mills effect does not.
Not even
From: Edmund Storms
Jones, you are simply wrong. I have worked with tritium and I know how it
behaves.
You apparently have not worked with tritium very intuitively, if you cannot
understand this simple video.
It cannot be detected using its Bremsstrahlund unless a huge
Apparently Jones, I have to be clearer and more emphatic. Tritium can
not be detected when it is in a container as massive as the E-cat.
THIS IS A FACT. Please at least acknowledge that I might know
something about tritium that you do not. The video only shows that
some unknown amount of
when can I find something that i can oppose to those who say I make
libelous claims ?
even on you letter to nature to correct Caltech paper, I find nothing else
instance of bad science, not a general procedure...
about Nuremberg idea, I defend the principle of reasonable specific
punishment, yet
There may be a condition imposed on all who depend on LENR licensing or any
product availability regarding their corporate hiring practices. A lie
detector test should be a requirement of employment for their institution
which asks the critical question: “Do you or have you ever opposed the idea
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 3:54 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
But the ecat just uses electricity to make heat. So if the ecat already
makes heat, it should self-sustain on that. Like combustion.
I passed over this point too quickly. One question is why in Rossi's
device the heat
From Jed
...
No laws have been broken, so there can be no trial. If cold fusion ever
succeeds
I expect the people who led the attacks will say they were for it all
along. They
will take credit, and they will be rewarded. That is the usual pattern of
history.
After the Three Mile
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
As a next step, all positive responses will be reviewed rigorously before
the holy office of the LENR inquisition for doctrinal purity to assess the
danger to the best interests of LENR.
I'm not sure if you are having fun
Ed,
You are not very good at misdirection, try hard as you might - and you are
fighting a losing battle in trying to wedge an incorrect theory into the
most important LENR experiment out there at present.
My advice is to quit before you are completely embarrassed. You theory works
in some
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
. . . a signal should show up above background on his meter - especially
when the Rossi device is disassembled, as it is in the Penon report.
They disassemble it by cutting it in half with a saw, don't they? There is
no way you could capture tritium by
OK Jones, useful discussion has come to an end. I will wait until the
proper measurements are made . Then we will talk again.
Ed Storms
On Jun 2, 2013, at 12:59 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
Ed,
You are not very good at misdirection, try hard as you might - and
you are fighting a losing battle
Tritium is preferentially absorbed into nickel. Most of it would be retained
in the nickel powder, if it were present.
From: Jed Rothwell
. . . a signal should show up above background on his meter - especially
when the Rossi device is disassembled, as it is in the Penon report.
They
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Tritium is preferentially absorbed into nickel. Most of it would be
retained in the nickel powder, if it were present.
Good point. Still, if you were doing a serious study you would not cut it
in half.
McKubre devised a complicated way to puncture the
From: Robert Ellefson vortex-h...@e2ke.com
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2013 8:59:31 PM
Hello Vortex-L participants,
First, I’d like to introduce myself, since this is my first time
posting to the list.
Hi ! Welcome on board.
I have skimmed a few recent threads discussing thermal modeling
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I wrote:
- The general area of the reaction is somewhat localized, and the
normal thermal gradient that would lead heat to dissipate from that
location must be countered from outside of it by the resistance heaters, so
that sufficient heat is retained in that area.
There is a
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 12:28:07 PM
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Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
A lie detector test should be a requirement of employment for their
institution which asks the critical question: “Do you or have you ever
opposed the idea of LENR to have ever put LENR at a disadvantage in
science.”
Don't be a wimp. Waterboard 'em! They
Eric,
The resistive heating requirement is to be able to reverse the temperature
excursion at the proper time by removing the extra input. Constant heat input
will result in the destruction of the device when useful output power is
generated.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Eric
On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 16:14:35 -0400
Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
A lie detector test should be a requirement of employment for their
institution which asks the critical question: “Do you or have you ever
opposed the idea of LENR to have
Let me say that almost everyone concerned, other than Andrea Rossi himself -
would be delighted if tritium had been found in the spent fuel of the
HotCat. If tritium were found in proportion to thermal gain - this would
explain the mechanism in accordance with Ed Storm's theory - and not only
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 1:22 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
The resistive heating requirement is to be able to reverse the temperature
excursion at the proper time by removing the extra input. Constant heat
input will result in the destruction of the device when useful output
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
Don't be a wimp. Waterboard 'em! They are guilty until proven innocent.
I like it. Posters everywhere will show Rossi glowering at them -
like the picture at the top of Gary Wright's website.
I like it!
Gary Wright himself will be in charge of this
Axil,
I value your thoughts and opinion very much, but I keep looking at those
waterspouts pulling an intense vacuum, condensing water vapor along their
surface and decaying over time and I am starting to believe the Sun is
spitting large energetic, decaying super symmetric particles/strings at
Jones, I agree with your conclusion about Rossi. However, tritium is
not his only problem. His patent will probably not reveal how the Ni
can be treated to make it active. Simply adding Ni62 is obviously not
the only thing he does to the Ni. Without the ability to replicate the
patent by a
Eric,
Model 1 appears to be more in line with what I suspect is happening except for
the explanation of the lack of external heat for control issue. You need to
consider that the peak heat power being generated inside the core is only about
2 times greater than the resistor heating required
Dave, I agree. You have described the process very well. The only
thing missing from your model is the thermal contact between the
source, (Ni) and the sink (the mass of the E-cat). The better the
thermal contact, the longer the temperature can remain high while
control is maintained and
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 2:10 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Does this help to explain the operation according to my model?
Yes. But I think your SPICE model is working at a higher level than what I
was describing. Your model is looking at the thermodynamics of the system
as a
Thanks Ed, I have concentrated upon the overall picture with my model instead
of the microscopic improvements that are no doubt available. You are certainly
correct that the thermal contacts could be improved which will interact in
different ways with the system. A balance has to be
http://www.iter.org/doc/www/content/com/Lists/list_items/Attachments/507/2013_Blanket.pdf
Reminds me of the weakest part of Shuttle, the tiles.
ITER is s boring. 1 news every year or so. I think Rossi is better in
this aspect.
2013/6/2 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
http://www.iter.org/doc/www/content/com/Lists/list_items/Attachments/507/2013_Blanket.pdf
Reminds me of the weakest part of Shuttle, the tiles.
--
Daniel
OK, if you are looking at that level of detail, you face many possibilities.
We are greatly hampered in our ability to analyze these types of problems due
to lack of knowledge about Rossi's material and its engineering behavior. We
all suspect that they will find variation throughout the
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 2:59 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I am afraid there is not much more that we can do beyond constructing a
model without much more extensive data from Rossi.
Perhaps. But I think we can say that given what we know about the need for
the control system
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 2 Jun 2013 06:15:39 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
The fact that there is no radiation at all detectable (at kW thermal output)
from Rossi's device (above a threshold of tens of keV) is rather conclusive
that there is no fusion, and essentially no nuclear reaction of
I had a cat. For some reason, I just couldn't bring myself to call her
Shuttle. I had to put the in front, as in HEEERE The Shuttle, HEEERE
kiteekiteekitee!!
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Oh gosh darn it anyway! I forgot I called her The *Space* Shuttle as in
HEEERE The Space Shuttle, HEEERE Kiteekiteekitee!!
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 7:24 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
I had a cat. For some reason, I just couldn't bring myself to call her
Shuttle. I had to put the
If LENR is the result of BECs like Y E Kim's theory predicts, then we will
have a relatively straightforward way to set up and capitalise on this
fifth state of matter. The other 4 states are Solid, Liquid, Gas, and
Plasma. To expect an atom to behave in the same fashion while in one state
as it
I never understood how Kim's BEC get rid of the gammas.
2013/6/2 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com
If LENR is the result of BECs like Y E Kim's theory predicts, then we will
have a relatively straightforward way to set up and capitalise on this
fifth state of matter. The other 4 states are
Hi All,
I have a new post up where I explore the issue of the language used to
describe LENR. I would be interested in the views of others here regarding
this matter as I always find your opinions of interest and valuable.
http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2013/06/03/language-upgrade-needed-lenr/
Interesting video clip featuring Dr. Seth Putterman describing his thoughts on
A star in a jar.
Sorry if this had been posted and i missed it. Been hard to keep up with the
list lately. :)
This is a clip from a longer BBC video i believe.
http://youtu.be/LWO93G-zLZ0
Available for order now.
Don't remember seeing this news on here.
can be ordered here:
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This paper verifies that a photon eradiated Bose-Einsteincondensate will
cut the frequency of incoming photons by dividing that frequency between N
numbers of atoms.
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1203.1261v1.pdf
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
I never
That's not good. It violates the 2nd law of thermo.
2013/6/2 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com
This paper verifies that a photon eradiated Bose-Einsteincondensate will
cut the frequency of incoming photons by dividing that frequency between N
numbers of atoms.
Until everyone agrees on what cold fusion is, there is no point to
inventing a new name for it.
It does not matter in any case, because the name is not the thing. Many
words are technically inaccurate, obsolete or misleading. A solid-state
disk (SSD) is not disk-shaped, and a round shape tells
Hi Jed,
I agree that it doesn't matter to us who have looked into the research, but
do you think it would make a difference with the broader population of
scientists, general public, and the patent office?
Jack
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Until
Jed sez:
Until everyone agrees on what cold fusion is, there
is no point to inventing a new name for it.
As well as to denigrate what is essentially a placeholder word.
Unfortunately, countless attempts to suggest this to Mr. Krivit have failed.
In the meantime, see Lomax's latest
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 7:07:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:A Language Upgrade Needed for LENR?
Until everyone agrees on what cold fusion is, there is no point to
inventing a new name for it.
I think I'll go with LENT .. Low Energy Nuclear
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
That's not good. It violates the 2nd law of thermo.
***It is an experimental finding. Like Feynman says, experiment trumps
theory.
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
Giving Rossi the benefit of the doubt, the fact that an
external stimulus is required in the form of resistance heating (also heat,
as has been pointed out), this seems to indicate that one of two phenomena,
or both,
There are theories that avoid the violation of the 2nd law.
2013/6/3 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote:
That's not good. It violates the 2nd law of thermo.
***It is an experimental finding. Like Feynman says,
have gamma rays been detected coming from these bubbles?
If not then the phenomena is probably another example of LENR-CF-f/h-
Harry
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Joe Hughes jhughe...@comcast.net wrote:
Interesting video clip featuring Dr. Seth Putterman describing his
thoughts on A
With the seven letters LENR CF H make a word.
Harry
Like most things in the perverse field of LENR, Sonoluminescence is counter
intuitive. The star in the bottle is impressive but that false spark in the
deep ultra-blue is a false trail to anything useful.
The power that that spark wastes is turned outward. To be effective, the
plasmonic field
FRENCH
Original Message
Subject: [Vo]:OT: scrabble challenge
From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, June 03, 2013 3:14 pm
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Withthe sevenletters LENR CF H make a word.Harry
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
There are theories that avoid the violation of the 2nd law.
***Then as long as those theories can explain this experimental result,
everything is in good shape. Why would you say That's not good?
This is an
I don't understand what you mean...
2013/6/3 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote:
There are theories that avoid the violation of the 2nd law.
***Then as long as those theories can explain this experimental result,
Dear Daniel
The laws of our classical reality are but and illusion that fails us when
we try to understanding the quantum world around us.
This Quantum mechanical paradox is the biggest problem that LENR faces. It
is just too weird.
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 1:30 AM, Daniel Rocha
The problem with such theories it is that they violate their own principles.
2013/6/3 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
Dear Daniel
The laws of our classical reality are but and illusion that fails us when
we try to understanding the quantum world around us.
This Quantum mechanical paradox is
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