I get a distinct feeling that there is no love lost between these nuclear
physicists and electrochemists. In this ongoing bloodbath, the physicists
are hell bent to grind the handiwork of the electrochemists into the dust.
In an instinctual battle for survival, the nuclear physicists have
So, Blaze on another thread you've reduced the odds down to 3:1. Does
this mean that you aren't as confident betting against Rossi any more?
Just spending some time on Vortex seems to have brought you from 10:1
skepticism down to 3:1. Eventually you'll go down to 2:1, then 1:1, and
soon
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:
It means if it exists, I get paid $10 for every $1 I bet. The implied
probability is 1/(11) or ~9%.
Forgive my continued confusion . . . but you are betting *in favor of* cold
fusion? Right? Even though you do not think it exists.
I don't get
One of the most provocative and insightful researchers in alternative energy
is Thomas Prevenslik.
Like many of us, he did not pick up on the plasmon connection to
Casimir/ZPE/superradiance until fairly recently. I am not sure if he has yet
framed the Rossi HotCat into this same category, but I
On 7/9/13 Jones said [snip] To explain why microscopic gaps enhance radiant
heat transfer,
a new theory of radiative heat transfer based on cavity quantum
electrodynamics (QED) is proposed. [/snip]
Jones,
So Thomas knew already something was going on at this geometry in the
Bockris @ 2:50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN26SszEBZQ
Harry
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 9:46 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote:
Oh No… not another true scientist.
** **
Infuriating does not describe the feeling that many who risked their
careers will not be there
http://rt.com/news/fukushima-manager-yoshida-dies-cancer-829/
Craig
Did a search for this title in the Collective's memory and didn't find it,
but think its relevant to the discussion!
Plasmon-enhanced luminescence from nanocrystalline SiC films through
adjusting spacer layer thickness
From: Roarty, Francis X
Also care to comment a little more on the SiC based sealant
in regards to plasmons and the Rossi device? Was it total luck, inspired or
just a natural consequence of the desired properties for hi temp sealants?
I hope
Andrea Rossi
July 8th, 2013 at 10:25 PM
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=810cpage=2#comment-734612
Eugenio Mieli:
I already answered to your questions: please see my answers on July 3rd and
July 4th 2013.
Please read carefully those answers:
1- The E-Cat technology is undergoing
Excellent news! Rossi's technology is spreading on his terms, with his
contracts, apparently without a US or European patent.
Craig
On 07/09/2013 01:31 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote:
Andrea Rossi
July 8th, 2013 at 10:25 PM
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=810cpage=2#comment-734612
http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/07/rossi-update-e-cat-built-by-partner-works-
pefectly/
I'm sure the skeptics will double down on AR's unreliability, but to me this
is one more nail in their coffin.
attachment: winmail.dat
Ed, I was unaware that nearly touching metallic nanoparticles immediately fuse
and start to grow a bigger particle, are you saying the lattices break and
reassemble to form a solid or are you suggesting the stiction force reshapes
the particles into perfect shapes to form closed surfaces?. I
Or, conversely, he's setting it all up for someone else to be responsible
for this massive fraud as he tries to detach himself from the entire
enterprise.
I wouldn't be surprised if we start hearing things like well, the timeline
is up to my partner CEO.I'm not sure what my partner CEO is
To be clear, obviously I do not know which. However, until the eCat is
fully in the public eye I don't think anyone can authoritatively say either
way, and I think it's a bit irresponsible trying to do so (negative or
positive).
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:59 AM, blaze spinnaker
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/07/rossi-update-e-cat-built-by-partner-works-
pefectly/
I'm sure the skeptics will double down on AR's unreliability, but to me
this
is one more nail in their coffin.
They will say -- with some justification -- that he
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:
Or, conversely, he's setting it all up for someone else to be responsible
for this massive fraud as he tries to detach himself from the entire
enterprise.
Do you know of any evidence for this? Or are you merely speculating?
I wouldn't be
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:
To be clear, obviously I do not know which. However, until the eCat is
fully in the public eye I don't think anyone can authoritatively say either
way, and I think it's a bit irresponsible trying to do so (negative or
positive).
My point
Rossi has a history of less than forthright dealings. Given his past and
the secretive approach he's taken, it's not hard to conclude that something
fishy might be going on.
Personally, I think he'd probably be able to get patents much easier if he
disclosed everything.
He may find that his
Although this came out a year and a half ago, this may identify the company
and its CEO
http://ecatmotor.com/e-cat-motor-on-techno-map/
as . Charlie Sutherland of Sutherland Products, Inc. in Mayodan, NC, USA.
On the downside, recent posts of Charlie to JONP give no indication of such
a
You are beating a dead horse. I get sick of it.
No, what you are sick of is the cognitive dissonance. The lack of clear,
decisive proof that the eCat is real.
You are unable to embrace the ambiguity and feel that the world must be
black or white. The fact that it isn't is clearly upsetting
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
But I find it disagreeable, because I have been hearing over and over and
OVER for 20 years about every cold fusion scientist is a fraud. I get sick
of it. You are beating a dead horse. We know you think that. We don't
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
However, “Mt Airy” is one place where they would definitely celebrate with
Coca-Cola instead of Veuve Clicquot.
H. . . It is in Surry County. The only dry county in the state is
Graham. See:
http://abc.nc.gov/faq/category.aspx
So they could
Come on Kevin, you know how this works.
In the face of new evidence (Pekka Patent, full throated defense from
co-author) we need to update our priors.
The universe is not static. What's interesting really is not whether or
not the eCat is real, but rather getting an accurate estimate of the
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:
No, what you are sick of is the cognitive dissonance. The lack of clear,
decisive proof that the eCat is real.
You are unable to embrace the ambiguity and feel that the world must be
black or white. The fact that it isn't is clearly
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:09 PM, blaze spinnaker
blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
Come on Kevin, you know how this works.
In the face of new evidence (Pekka Patent, full throated defense from
co-author) we need to update our priors.
***The Pekka patent has nothing to do with Rossi. And a
The odds are not so clear, if we integrate a time factor.
as explained the problem is not to prove that LENr is real, it have been
done since long, and mainstream media will never admit it without a gun on
their head.
No evidence will work.
The rest is betting on an industrial application.
It
*perhaps Axil can give more background on the video.. is the blurry motion
between the particles an artifact of the sensor,*
Francis,
**
There are two categories of nano/micro particels, static and dynamic.
Please allow me to define them.
Dynamic particles
Dynamic particles are produced from
blaze
spinnakerhttp://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22blaze+spinnaker%22
Mon,
08 Jul 2013 18:56:47
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Between this and the Pekka patent, very encouraging. I'd still give odds
the ecat
My odds have changed from around 0% (before the report) to ~5% to ~17% of
the eCat being true.You need go to from the middle of the spread.
Also, you're doing a somewhat linear analysis based on 2 data points. I
could already be on an asymptote.
I don't think the Pekka patent is
Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe 3 to 1 and I'd take 10 to 1
***So if I'm reading this right, and it isn't a typo... you've gone from
OFFERING 10:1 against Rossi to wanting to take that bet yourself. In the
short timespan of about a week.
That's what I thought it meant.
I was always willing to take a bet that eCat existed. Didn't you ever make
a market on Intrade?
And, yes, I've gone from 5% to 17% probability of eCat existing.
Things are moving quickly right now before ICCF / NI-WEEK.We live in
exciting times.
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Kevin
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:47 PM, blaze spinnaker
blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
My odds have changed from around 0% (before the report) to ~5% to ~17% of
the eCat being true.
***Nonsense statement. 0% would represent astronomically high odds of a
thousand or million to one.
You need go
ok.Btw, how'd that bet on Romney winning in '12 work out for you?
(speaking of track records)
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:47 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
wrote:
My odds have changed from
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:
Never underestimate the value of track records. Bayesian probabilities
rely upon this. The specific problem with Rossi is that, from a bayesian
point of view, it seemed improbable that he had created anything useful.
Rossi made millions of
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:58 PM, blaze spinnaker
blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
I was always willing to take a bet that eCat existed. Didn't you ever
make a market on Intrade?
***Yes. It had to do with Cold Fusion, as I posted earlier. But it was
not me, the market maker, who changed his
Now you're just trying to change the subject. If ya wanna talk politics,
click on that link I gave you. Vortex is for science subjects.
(speaking of track records)
***Now, it appears yours is one of strong backtracking, here on Vortex.
The End of *Snide Remarks* Against *Cold Fusion* - Free
Sure, if an eCat is announced and publicly demonstrated, I certainly will
be betting 2:1. Or better testing.
I'm not a mary yugo. I don't start with a conclusion and work backwards.
I'm merely trying to estimate the probability.
BTW, I notice you haven't made a counter offer yet. Will
These arguments are based on the notion that a wire capable of conducting
enough electricity to melt steel and ceramic is so thin you can't see it.
That is nonsense. Even a wire capable of conducting the electricity
measured in the second and third tests would be readily visible to anyone.
-
Well, I am discussing probabilities and the ability to estimate them.
Perhaps we could take this off list though.
Maybe not everyone finds it as fascinating as you and I :)
Honestly, I'm not the enemy here btw. I'm a big believer in LENR. I just
think the probability of Rossi doing something
Taking this convo off list, email me if you'd like to be CC'd / included.
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:23 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
Sure, if an eCat is announced and publicly demonstrated, I certainly will
be betting 2:1. Or better testing.
I'm not a mary yugo. I
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:23 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
BTW, I notice you haven't made a counter offer yet. Will you give me 2:1
that the eCat exists?
***I accepted your original offer of 10:1. But you are not a man of your
word.
Or, ick, let's use Intrade odds.
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:36 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
Taking this convo off list, email me if you'd like to be CC'd / included.
***Why?
I think the conversation is primarily of interest to a limited group and
probably just noise for the rest of the list.
It's usually a good idea to do this when threads get overly long and only
certain people are participating.
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com
***I accepted your original offer of 10:1. But you are not a man of your
word.
Dude, you and I both know those bets are not forever. New information
arrives which forces us all to adjust our probabilities.
BUT!
If you still want to go with the original bet at 10:1 where the arvix
report
Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
The End of *Snide Remarks* Against *Cold Fusion* - Free Republic
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2265914/posts
Free Republic, Gravitronics.net and Intrade ^ | 6/5/09 | *kevmo*, et al.
Posted on 06/05/2009 5:56:08 PM PDT *.*
This is
For Your information...
http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?2111-Defkalion-Europe-some-comment-about-Defkalion-reactors-from-french-Agoravox
on my french article Agoravox.fr , there was an interesting response in
relation Defkalion Europe.
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:52 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
I think the conversation is primarily of interest to a limited group and
probably just noise for the rest of the list.
It's usually a good idea to do this when threads get overly long and only
certain people are
I gotta jet, but Frederic Gilardone trade minister isn't showing
anything in Google.
If we can establish him as a real and independent person with a track
record, this could be pretty exciting news.
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
For Your
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
Another powerful thing that's been demonstrated is just how on target
Vortex is.You have benefited.
Vortex is everything to everyone. Benefitting from the threads here is
like having someone read tea leaves. There
From: blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2013 3:00:43 PM
I gotta jet, but Frederic Gilardone trade minister isn't showing
anything in Google.
Foreign Trade Advisor
Could be any kind of speculator/punter.
Frederic Gilardone foreign trade : lots of legitimate hits
Frederic GILARDONE, MILANO, Bankwesen, Versicherungen, Energiewirtschaft, ...
Councilman (Foreign trade) at the French Embassy in Rome.
...
Frederic Gilardone. GEB-SOLUTIONS, Country Manager ... Junior export manager,
Italian
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/energy-cold-fusion-antigravity-mr-frank-znidarsic-pe/1113883542?ean=9781480270237
Sent from my iPad
Whenever I read about the DGT device I get the impression that it behaves much
differently than the ECAT. The main difference I focus upon so far is the
method of control. We have discussed the ECAT thermal positive feedback
control on many occasions and have developed models that appear to
From: fznidar...@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2013 3:34:49 PM
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/energy-cold-fusion-antigravity-mr-frank-znidarsic-pe/1113883542?ean=9781480270237
Just before they go belly up? Congratulations, anyway.
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 3:39 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
What does the spark of DGT offer that heat alone seems to neglect in the
ECAT?
This gets back to the earlier thread on the ion beam and glow discharge
experiments. I suspect that some of what they're seeing in those
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
My current line of thinking for the ion beam stuff -- there is something in
the electronic structure of the substrate that is at work here, be it
plasmons, or shielding, or cracks, my favorite, sufficient deceleration in
Eric, if you attend ICCF-18, I will answer this question during my talk.
Ed
On Jul 9, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 3:39 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
wrote:
What does the spark of DGT offer that heat alone seems to neglect in
the ECAT?
This gets
Eric, I recall mention of an experiment of that nature but do not recall
specifics. Could you offer a link that I might follow?
I can understand your interest in the results if less than 1000 eV Ds are used
for the collision since that is far less than the normal energy used for hot
fusion
I posted that the Impact Factor looked meaningless. I can't see if
reasonable journals have a factor of 1, or 10 , or 100 or XYZ. There was
never an answer to my post.
Kevin
O'Malleyhttp://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22Kevin+O%27Malley%22
Fri,
28 Jun 2013
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 5:02 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Eric, I recall mention of an experiment of that nature but do not recall
specifics. Could you offer a link that I might follow?
The thread was here [1].
Defkalion mention Rydberg hydrogen. An interesting thing that I
My take on their process is that the control and the sparks
are related to the positive heat coef. of the reaction and the rate at which
the heat is extracted.
My best empirical model shows an almost exponential increase
in max power output with temperature (due to vacancy production). A few
http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/07/coals-high-cost-in-china-2-5-billion-years-of-life-expectancy/
*Coal’s high cost in China: 2.5 billion years of life expectancy*
Coal is the least efficient of the fossil fuels in terms of the amount of
energy gained vs. CO2 released. Burning it also
That is very interesting Dennis. If I understand you correctly, you solve the
thermal run away problem by extracting heat fast enough to keep the thermal
positive feedback loop gain below unity. That should work provided there is
enough energy released per pulse of drive to achieve a high
Eric,
Did you calculate the actual number of Ds impacting the target metal to
generate a reasonable amount of energy? My quick estimate suggests that the
number of energetic protons generated was far below enough to replace the beam
energy. The effect might be larger than expected from
I'm at Amazon, Barns and Noble, and working with the Sidney Kimmel group on
something. If that not good enough for you, what is?
-Original Message-
From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jul 9, 2013 6:39 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Barns and Noble
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Tue, 9 Jul 2013 15:54:10 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
This gets back to the earlier thread on the ion beam and glow discharge
experiments. I suspect that some of what they're seeing in those
experiments is real LENR, and that it is hasty to write it off as hot
fusion.
In reply to David Roberson's message of Tue, 9 Jul 2013 20:02:08 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
DGT promises that no dangerous radiation is emitted by their process, so it
must be considered LENR. Hot fusion would not be acceptable for our needs and
gammas of very strong energies would no doubt be
Robin, do you see any reason why the particles leaving the active region would
exit the opposite side when such a low energy input is applied? I would expect
to see a random distribution.
This effect, if true, would appear like a stimulated emission process. :) Wow,
now we have a particle
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:47 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Did you calculate the actual number of Ds impacting the target metal to
generate a reasonable amount of energy? My quick estimate suggests that
the number of energetic protons generated was far below enough to replace
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