Re: [vos-d] Fun with the generator

Also spracht Lalo Martins (Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:33:24 +): 1: mod_vos.xod (and my other projects) extend a lot of classes from the new library. But since the generator doesn't know about those, it reports broken links and generally doesn't know what to do. The answer to this may be in my

[vos-d] Fun with the generator

Vobject::clone() saved me hours of toil! best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable

Re: [vos-d] Website design ideas

would look better. best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable

Re: [vos-d] Website design ideas

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[vos-d] gc

Also spracht Lalo Martins (Fri, 15 Feb 2008 06:20:22 +): (Now, on my original design, web pages would be transient views, meaning, there is a ViewImplementation that writes to the WebRequest, but it never actually returns a View. This feature has been lost on Peter's implementation

Re: [vos-d] gc

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Re: [vos-d] Updated Road Map on Wiki

much. And the first scripting language will be there a week after Peter adds marshaling (which language that will be depends greatly on my mood that week, though). best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible

Re: [vos-d] s5 site ids

with us? best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable. - http

Re: [vos-d] s5 site ids

Also spracht Lalo Martins (Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:18:05 +): This naming pattern unfortunately means you can't have two things (class, function, namespace) on the same directory. ... two things (...) with the same name in the same directory. best

Re: [vos-d] s5 site ids

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[vos-d] s5 site ids

? Or is this (library OTD) going to be substantially different later on? best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable

Re: [vos-d] s5 site ids

. (You would need to ship the private key, anyway, right?) best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable

Re: [vos-d] MVC

be used by both that and hypervos, which would make things easier to understand for new developers. best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon

[vos-d] MVC

I posted a draft spec to http://interreality.org/~lalo/mvc.html -- your feedback is appreciated. I see both Interreality3D and the s5 equivalent of hypervos using this extensively. best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem

Re: [vos-d] s5 progress and design - OTD XML

/examples/3dworld-blocks.sod best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable

Re: [vos-d] s5 progress and design - OTD XML

?). SOD was a plain-text format which I designed and actually implemented for s4. I will most likely want to port it to s5 :-) (unless someone wants to do it first) best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible

Re: [vos-d] s/MetaObject/Component

dynamicly loadable and language-neutral. The plan is for S5 VOS vobject MetaObjects to do all those things, hence changing the name to component. Also Zope3 (formerly called the Zope Component Architecture). best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our

[vos-d] s5 version control and persistence

, I'll let Peter talk about that when he wants. One point he asked me to remember is that cluster replication propagates capability lists, while mirror replication doesn't. Probably. best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem

Re: [vos-d] State of S4 Scripting (Lalo!)

Also spracht Reed Hedges (Mon, 02 Jul 2007 19:47:42 -0400): Lalo Martins wrote: Yes. There is already a prototype s5-scripting branch somewhere to match Peter's prototype s5 branch, and it looks absolutely beautiful, although Is it sftp://interreality.org/home/bzroot/s5-scripting/libs/vos

Re: [vos-d] State of S4 Scripting (Lalo!)

want it, you probably actually want s5 :-) best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable

Re: [vos-d] State of S4 Scripting (Lalo!)

what I understand of Peter's July plans, I guess I'll have to pretty much rewrite it for the real s5 :-) best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon

Re: [vos-d] Van Jacobson: named data

with horizons, which raises other questions and so on...) best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable

[vos-d] Van Jacobson: named data

relevant to the way we're already doing things (named data sounds a lot like vobject from my chair). best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon

Re: [vos-d] VOS: Idea for instant publicity...

know about the instant in the title... this is something that would take weeks to develop, months to make bug-free :-) best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we

Re: [vos-d] VOS: Idea for instant publicity...

... For Freedom! I dare say, I'd hope it to *replace* our desktop, in which case something like this would be necessary for backwards compatibility (like the dos box in a windows machine). best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem

Re: [vos-d] build system reviews (long)

it will be trivial, just that I have previous experience that should help me. best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become

Re: [vos-d] s5 scripting (design part 3)

), and creating vobjects is currently cumbersome (because Peter intends to make this operation reflexible too, so when it is, that's what Python will use), but you can already run simple tests with is and see what it's going to look like. best, Lalo Martins

Re: [vos-d] http://interreality.org/wiki/YiMeiyou

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Re: [vos-d] s5 design overview

, author information, etc for a property, right? best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable

Re: [vos-d] What are some ideas for cool demos?

On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 01:45:08 -0700, S Mattison wrote: On 3/10/07, Lalo Martins wrote: You forget on your list that VOS is cross-platform, and the primary platform is GNU/Linux. With that in mind: Wait What? Did I fail to mention repeatedly that 9/10ths of these applications

Re: [vos-d] VOS apps...

spoken of already. THAT would be cool. IMO. But that's more or less what we're talking about, at least for some of those cases if not all. A properly 3d IM app using libgaim wouldn't be too hard, for example. best, Lalo Martins -- So many

Re: [vos-d] blog mention of VOS

On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 23:46:30 -0500, Peter Amstutz wrote: If they every decide to go for VC funding, they could crush everything else.'' Eh, let's hope ;-) best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible

Re: [vos-d] second draft requirements

if they don't), and you get d-bus, similar to how you get VIP. best, Lalo Martins -- It doesn't bother me that people say things like you'll never get anywhere with this attitude. In a few decades, it will make a good paragraph in my

Re: [vos-d] The best part about bzr...

! best, Lalo Martins -- It doesn't bother me that people say things like you'll never get anywhere with this attitude. In a few decades, it will make a good paragraph in my biography. You know, for a laugh. best

Re: [vos-d] new vos concept: listen conditions

You probably already know I like this idea. For things like web interfaces it would be awesome, in fact my web framework idea had a design very similar to this. best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible

Re: [vos-d] VOS requirements

to bridge VOS via d-bus ;-) http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/System_Overview best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become

Re: [vos-d] VOS requirements

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:03:52 -0500, Reed Hedges wrote: Lalo Martins wrote: http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/System_Overview Yeah there are a bunch of interesting proposals for application data sharing over dbus. There was one for sharing a single presence status code between

Re: [vos-d] datatypes

, but the functions that convert data between C and Python know about them. I'm not quite partial either way; I like unsigned for blobs, as you say. Although arguably blobs should be strings... best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem

[vos-d] Time-awareness in VOS

=== Time-awareness in VOS === :author: Lalo Martins :date: 2006-12-01 :status: braindump :abstract: Thoughts and designs on time-aware VOS vObjects .. For those not familiar with the concept, “braindump” is an early stage of discussion, a writeup

Re: [vos-d] status and scheming

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Re: [vos-d] Animation comment

, that has to send all that data, to all the others. best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable. -- personal

[vos-d] Re: Linux to get 3D GUI

for? on the archives) if there could be a VOS(a3dl)-based composite manager, effectively put X inside your virtual environment. best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon

[vos-d] Re: Which version of bzr? sftp support?

in Fetch phase 0/4 and it may remain so for a long time, until it finally starts moving. best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become

[vos-d] Re: OTDs, metaobjects, and scripting

documentation of the object type for humans. 2. On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:55:25 +0800, Lalo Martins wrote: However, on dynamic languages, client support can be deduced from an OTD, and built on runtime by VOS. Hrm. With 'operator -' and maybe sacrificing a black lamb or two ^W^W^W^W^W^W template

[vos-d] OTDs, metaobjects, and scripting

rules from somewhere else, for example. best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable. -- personal

[vos-d] Re: next priorities; persistence, revision control

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[vos-d] Re: Re: Re: next priorities; mySQL

and Microsoft SQL Server (or MS SQL Express, which is free)? Hmm. Dunno about that. But it does ODBC, so it should be possible to use those too. best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem

[vos-d] Re: Re: VOS 0.23.0-pre3 released

On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 11:51:08 -0400, Peter Amstutz wrote: I vaguely recall you sent me the patch, but I can't remember what I did with it. Probably it is sitting in my inbox somewhere. it's on bugzilla. ___ vos-d mailing list vos-d@interreality.org

[vos-d] Acquire more users and developers (Re: Second Life ?)

:-) best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable. -- personal: http://www.laranja.org

[vos-d] VOS bzr mirror

'), it will create a checkout, which is a bound branch quite similar to what you have with cvs. So for those afraid of distributed RC semantics, you can try it too ;-) best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible

[vos-d] Re: site peering

it), and that will be interpreted as an alias URL... Heh, to the basket with semantic web, this is semantic DNS ;-) best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon

[vos-d] [philosophical] VOS as AI

of connections to other concepts. A Property maps to a memory, which is a piece of concrete sensorial data ­- a word, an image, a taste, hunger, pain, etc. It can connect to concepts just like a concept, so in terms of OOP, it is also a concept. best, Lalo

[vos-d] Re: [OFF] typing

on dynamic languages. It's just bad practice ;-) best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable. -- personal

[vos-d] [OFF] typing

, easier to read code. best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable. -- personal: http

[vos-d] CrystalZilla? What for?

can do a cube, then we certainly can render on surfaces. yet-to-invest-the-time-to-get-Xgl-to-work-ly yours, Lalo Martins (but would-definitely-bother-to-do-it-if-what-I'm-talking-about- was-possible-ly yours too) -- So many of our dreams

[vos-d] Re: Python scripting

mistakes which are already corrected. In this case, when I discovered that updates are simply another kind of message, I was like hah, cool :-) best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable

[vos-d] Re: Python scripting

And so says Peter Amstutz on 09/02/06 05:31... On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Lalo Martins wrote: The SWIG bindigns are a wrapper for the whole API. AFAICS, there is no way to take an existing Vobject from C++, turn it into a Python object, and send it as an argument to a Python function. SWIG simply

[vos-d] Re: Simple Object Description

. (Hmm. Now there's a thought. Maybe I should convert those map files to XOD rather than reading them directly into vos...) best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when

[vos-d] Re: Python scripting

proposed, is that I wouldn't need to subclass MetaObject, at all :-) so an application can have python message handlers without having to mess with its inheritance tree. best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible

[vos-d] Re: Simple Object Description

usefully highlight SOD in conf-javaprop-mode :-) I don't know what javaprop is, but it's seemingly similar enough. Vim probably has a mode for that too... best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem

[vos-d] Python scripting

a method on the metaobject. It can be implemented as calling a method on a wrapper object if it ends up being necessary, but I'd rather have a different MessageDispatch subclass. best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem

[vos-d] Simple Object Description

://lalo.revisioncontrol.net/bzr/sod/ (And yes, I know the acronym is weird. Sue me.) ;-) best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become

[vos-d] Re: [planning] When are we content-ready?

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[vos-d] Re: vip/userinterface

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[vos-d] 3dui article, with review and (entirely free) rant

struggling to get their software everywhere; and I think it will be a while before refrigerators and wristwatches have enough power for 3duis. Until then, we'll be stuck with the desktop metaphor on our powerful, 3d-capable PCs, just because. best, Lalo

[vos-d] Re: [Fwd: .]

designed to hit mailing lists. best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable. -- http://www.laranja.org/ mailto

[vos-d] Re: [aims]

model. best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable. -- http://www.laranja.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GNU

[vos-d] neat article about simulation (game) engines

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[vos-d] Re: Terangreal and Unicode?

submit a patch earlier because it's now segfaulting to me - but vostest segfaults identically, so it's probably not wxRelated(). best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we

[vos-d] can't compile ter'angreal from cvs

, release 2.6.1. gcc is 3.3.3 (from gentoo too). best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable. -- http

[vos-d] Re: new feature - speech bubbles

combination of the above best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable. -- http://www.exoweb.net/ mailto