I don't get this, is this really a technical issue or just an interface one
? It can be pretty clear to users that the semantic entity pages are very
different from lexical entities in the same instance just by tweaking the
UI. Or with separate instances this can be confusing as well if not well
is said.
Best regards
Bene
Am 01.05.2015 um 07:14 schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
Hoi,
It is still a bad idea. An official name exists only in one language.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 30 April 2015 at 18:50, Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com
wrote:
I meant add automatically
01.05.2015 um 07:14 schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
Hoi,
It is still a bad idea. An official name exists only in one language.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 30 April 2015 at 18:50, Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com
wrote:
I meant add automatically the transliteration, not replace the name
be on road signs for example. It's kind of the Main Name.
2015-05-02 11:54 GMT+02:00 Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de:
Am 02.05.2015 um 11:32 schrieb Thomas Douillard:
Yes, that's what they are for, but wikidata is far from beeing complete,
and if
there is no label in your language
... It is a few years ago,
that it was proven earth did not centre the sun and the sun is only a spec
in our galaxy.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 1 May 2015 at 11:00, Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com
wrote:
An official name in an alphabet I don't understand does not give me any
useful
I can't add more than I already did, I think, so I'll rest my case. A part
of the work in Wikidata is building the database and guessing what could be
unidentified items there only is informations in a language we don't
understand or an alphabet we can't read. And there is no label in our
. For this it is not relevant.
When you want to make a trip to another country you look for the label for
your item.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 1 May 2015 at 19:19, Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com
wrote:
I can't add more than I already did, I think, so I'll rest my case. A
part
in the user language. I don't understand how it could be
a bad idea.
2015-05-01 7:14 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:
Hoi,
It is still a bad idea. An official name exists only in one language.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 30 April 2015 at 18:50, Thomas Douillard thomas.douill
.
Transliteration the official name is exactly the one you should not
transliterate.. What is left after transliteration is not official.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 29 April 2015 at 18:54, Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com
wrote:
It's always possible to transliterate the official name
It may not be practical, but it is still possible ;) classes like
''astronomic corp that was thought to be a planet in 1850'' are an option
:)
2015-04-30 13:51 GMT+02:00 Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk:
On 30 April 2015 at 12:37, Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com
wrote
common definition.
The world is beautifully complicated, isn't it? I'll leave it to you
experts to discuss what makes sense here here :-)
Best regards,
Markus
On 29.04.2015 18:05, Thomas Douillard wrote:
Hi, a small question about qualifiers and ranks.
It is well known that the number
Hi, a small question about qualifiers and ranks.
It is well known that the number of planets changed in 2006. Or did it ? Of
course, Pluto is still here, it's just its status that changed. The
definition of planets changed in 2006.
This imply that (imho), the statement the number of planets in
For the unknown date case, I also used some imprecise dates in the past, if
you set date withe a precision of the century around the last time it wa
known active for example, you get something semantically correct and that
is probably esaier to handle in queries (athough the way to handle
There is Wikidata The Game for this :) Semi automatic tool with a community
around ...
2015-04-23 16:22 GMT+02:00 Edward Betts edw...@4angle.com:
James Heald j.he...@ucl.ac.uk wrote:
The post last autumn said you had 176,000 items matched to OSM, a very
large
proportion of which (at least
the label to ensure users would not confuse the items with
the real values ...
2015-04-22 21:52 GMT+02:00 Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org:
Hi Thomas,
On 22.04.2015 20:06, Thomas Douillard wrote:
Hi, there is items about Wikibase data model in Wikidata (created by me,
but not only
Hehe, we should picture this idea in help page :)
https://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q1061035
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1061035 is not a pipe.
2015-04-23 9:50 GMT+02:00 Stas Malyshev smalys...@wikimedia.org:
Hi!
OK, I did not think it might confuse users, the label needs to be
changed.
Don't use Q19798647 The item is just a description of the concept ! on
Wikidata, there is a way to set an unknow value to a claim.
here is how to set this special value on a claim in the UI, in french : to
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata_pas_de_valeur.png
You must click to the
,
GerardM
On 23 April 2015 at 12:18, Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com
wrote:
You should read the helpages Gerard sometimes :)
This is on the Wikidata plan since the beginning, it is usable since the
beginning, and it will be queryable ... I really don't understand what
2015 at 21:52, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org
wrote:
Hi Thomas,
On 22.04.2015 20:06, Thomas Douillard wrote:
Hi, there is items about Wikibase data model in Wikidata (created by me,
but not only)
If I understand correctly, they could be cited in the semantic web as
https
place and we should concentrate on making things
easier to comprehend not weigh it down with the balast of discussions
elsewhere.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 23 April 2015 at 11:56, Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com
wrote:
In wikidata, the absence of a claim about something cannot mean
and past mistakes.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 23 April 2015 at 12:15, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks! I added your example and Lydia's to the talk page here
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Talk:Q19798647
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Thomas Douillard
thomas.douill
Hi, there is items about Wikibase data model in Wikidata (created by me,
but not only)
If I understand correctly, they could be cited in the semantic web as
https://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q19798647
(If they are kept /o\)
Tom²
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Thanks, it made me realize the datas of my city are not up to date :) I
thought : I wondered if I would see
https://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q16037012 (although the city is not that
big, but Rennes, a comparable on, showed up in the results, so ...) and it
did not.
There is redundancy in this
2015-04-17 15:18 GMT+02:00 Alan Said alans...@acm.org:
alans...@acm.org
Are you the same guy that asked on project chat ?
To use the API you may find something helpful
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikibot/Wikidata on the pywikibot
help page. Hope it helps.
Of course there will always be some things too complicated to be reasonably
expressed in Wikidata, or hard to process by software.
But in the case of historical datas, we better have to think of a common
and practical representation and ways for tools to process datas, because
this is totally a
@Nemo: I guess a class of properties ''external identifier definition
property'' with
isbn instance of external identifier prop could be useful as well.
2015-04-04 11:16 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com:
Stas Malyshev, 04/04/2015 09:29: away from the old layout and that is
Hi, the place to discuss property proposal is
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal and its subpages.
We might need more people involved in this area.
Classes are regular items in wikidata and as such can be freely create.
They are, as regular items, subject to the notability
I raise :
PS: original text attached, command used to generate :
$convert -page A1 -font DejaVu-Sans-Mono -pointsize 11
~/Documents/Wikidata\ anniv.txt -trim +repage Wikidata_Anniv.png
2015-04-01 13:41 GMT+02:00 Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org:
Il 01/04/2015 12:46, Lydia
Hi, for France I'm also aware of the historical monuments project, that
might be interesting for you:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_France/Monuments_historiques
2015-03-28 0:12 GMT+01:00 Daniel Mietchen daniel.mietc...@googlemail.com:
Hi Valentine,
I think the following
Looks cool, see also wrote the beginning of a query generator in mediawiki
templates : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:WDQ
2015-03-09 22:03 GMT+01:00 Navino Evans nav...@histropedia.com:
Hi all,
We've been using WDQ queries a lot recently to update timelines in the
Histropedia
Maybe not really a correct answer to your question, but I'm thiking of
something similar of automated generated articles.
In my suggestion this was, associate a template description, in form of a
wikitemplate that uses claims, to a query.
2015-02-09 11:58 GMT+01:00 Daniel Kinzler
short in every way in that respects.
I am all in favour of understanding what templates are, what queries are,
the restrictions in either but I am not willing to consider templates a
real solution that works for Wikidata.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 2 January 2015 at 10:26, Thomas Douillard
everyone,
Sure: Reasonator is a great example, but converting the whole code is
taking more time then making new stuff. You just can't intergrate it.
Greetings,
Sjoerd de Bruin
sjoerddebr...@me.com
Op 30 dec. 2014, om 16:31 heeft Thomas Douillard
thomas.douill...@gmail.com het volgende
, with a formal model of the grammar and so on :)
But I admit this is disputable :)
2015-01-02 10:58 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com:
Actually, I would posit that the inverse of that statement is true
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Thomas Douillard
thomas.douill...@gmail.com wrote
Generated a grammatically correct same meaning sentence in all language in
the planet automatically is way more difficult than finding a user that
will write a template is his own language.
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much in line with article thinking. What are
templates for you. Where are they defined??
Thanks,
GerardM
On 1 January 2015 at 18:25, Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com
wrote:
Mmm I'm not sure we are talking of the initial subject anymore.
Placeholder and queries
,
GerardM
On 1 January 2015 at 13:23, Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com
wrote:
I don't think so. There always be intersections beetween lists. One of
the Flemish painter might also be in the list of surrealist painters.
2014-12-30 14:41 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com:
I would
being deleted:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Flemish_painters
Wikidata has well filled items for most of those redlinks, for which
articles could be created using the PrepBio tool:
http://tools.wmflabs.org/magnustools/prepbio.php
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Thomas Douillard
Hi, both instance and subclass is possible, see
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Item_classification
This has been a subject of dispute though, but this is a powerful tool,
allowed by standards like OWL2 through punning
2014-12-30 22:35 GMT+01:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com:
Not sure either it's writeable as punning imply to treat the
class/individual as different things ...
tried to dig if it is possible in SWRL (see
http://dior.ics.muni.cz/~makub/owl/ for example), seems not so easy either,
found this topic on semanticweb.com (google cache
Hi Gerard, I like Reasonator a lot, but there is several advantages to an
integrated solution :
* We can reuse technologies of the mediawiki ecosystem, like for example a
very important one : templates, that are already used an that a lot of
wikimedians knows. It can be used to build template
On 30 December 2014 at 13:30, Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Gerard, I like Reasonator a lot, but there is several advantages to an
integrated solution :
* We can reuse technologies of the mediawiki ecosystem, like for example
a very important one : templates
It is a mistake to have ethanol both subclass and instance of chemical
compound.
if chemical compound is a class, then it cannot be a metaclass.
2014-10-05 18:49 GMT+02:00 Emw emw.w...@gmail.com:
Hi David,
How does your treatise relate to the fact that
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q153 has
Hi, this is a long discussion :) Is is allowed by OWL2 notion called
Punning.
The rationale is that Hydrogen is a chemical elements, and that the
chemical element is not a subclass of atom. Rather a chemical elements is a
type of atom, so chemical elements is a metaclass : a class of class of
I Drafted an (unfinished) essay about classification on Wikidata including
metamodeling here : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Item_classification
Metamodeling seems to me (and has proven to be) convenient in Wikidata.
Think that there is a lot of classes, and that regrouping classes with some
This is about chemical compounds, molecules. Here it's about atoms, I
think. Correct me if I have wrong information, but afaik CheBi has no
chemical elements class, so there is no real answer to the original
question.
But yes, those classes if they are not already on Wikidata seems OK to
have,
both instance of and subclass of claims.
2014-09-25 21:32 GMT+02:00 Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com:
This is about chemical compounds, molecules. Here it's about atoms, I
think. Correct me if I have wrong information, but afaik CheBi has no
chemical elements class, so there is no real
sources
which we have either been explicitly allowed to use in OSM (and have a
compatible licence) or have whatever the local equivalent of public domain
status is.
2014-09-22 16:52 GMT+02:00 Anthony o...@theendput.com:
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Thomas Douillard
thomas.douill...@gmail.com
Running an automated process to access someone's computer in a way that
they clearly don't allow is not a good idea.
European database laws are also really on the fact that a protected
database copy is a copy, whatever the copy process is. Does not matter if
an automated process took place or if
using subclass of
* inverse relations
Is it of what we are talking about ?
2014-09-14 22:01 GMT+02:00 P. Blissenbach pu...@web.de:
Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com werites:
Which norm are we using, what should we denormalize ? According to
which rules ?
We're talking aboun
on.
That denormalisation of information really needs to be in place whatever
the fine coding of the engine -- it's data design, rather than engine
coding.
-- James.
On 13/09/2014 20:56, Thomas Douillard wrote:
Hi James, I don't understand (I must admit I did not read the whole
topic
Hi James, I don't understand (I must admit I did not read the whole topic).
Are we talking about a specific query engine ? The one the development team
will implement in Wikibase, or are we talking of something else ?
If we do not know that, I seems difficult to have this conversation at that
Hi all, I'm wondering about one usage Wikidata could be useful to
Wikipedias : Redlinks subject identification.
Wikidata is good to identify subjects. Redlinks are used in Wikipedias to
identify subjects with currently no article.
I post here because I think there is something to integrate this
Note that in Wikidata we are developping methods and tools to class items
in « classes », which in short are sets of real world things or events. In
languages like the w3c language and standards OWL2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OWL2. In this language you can assign a
class to an element (a media
Can you be more specific ?
2014-08-19 12:20 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:
Hoi,
I cannot parse this ..
Thanks,
GerardM
On 19 August 2014 11:43, Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com
wrote:
Note that in Wikidata we are developping methods and tools
Great to see these changes finally coming, congrats to the devs who had to
work a lot to make this real. And good luck for the deployment :)
Le samedi 16 août 2014, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il a
écrit :
I'd like to join Luca - there are a lot of wonderful updates here.
Notability in Wikidata has a different meaning as in Wikipedia. If an item
is useful to express some information, then it at least fulfil structural
needs and it is notable on Wikidata, fortunately, or it would be a bug
headeach.
It is even said in the notability criteria that if we can clearly
Yeah, there seem to be some cognitive dissonance going on here, it's weird.
2014-06-16 22:08 GMT+02:00 Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com:
That's certainly what the policy says. It's not what some admins accept,
though.
A direct quote from one, from as recently as March this
Interesting. My first feeling is for references cloning : I had in mind
some kind of boxes like the one on the left collumn to collect statements
references, that could be drag and dropped or copy paste to statements to
add reference to them.
2014-06-16 22:01 GMT+02:00 Lydia Pintscher
Hi yan, simple 2d tables are just really an implementation of a set of
relations.
For example the tabular datas like an adress book like
Name Phone-Number City
John 12345New York
Katie 23456Paris
can totally be implemented in Wikidata with two properties and some
conventions :
Hi Derrick, I think it's vain to ask yourself if some concept deserves an
item. It does not make much sense. There is much more value in the
regularity in how we express the same kind of data : this makes really much
simpler to develop tools and to help newbies on how to do things if we
decide one
and
administratively be subject to the highest level..
Thanks,
Gerard
On 11 June 2014 12:56, Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm still talking of the model I proposed in my first post in this
thread. I did give an advantage : you can really simply query the type
Hi Markus, first thanks a lot for these tools.
It would be cool to include a link to the property browser into some
template, ( Template:P' for example , as Template:Q' generates a link to
reasonator. Is there a way to get the database id of some property by its
number ?
Perfect thank you (for some reason I did not success, I see the names are
case sensitives :) )
2014-06-12 17:59 GMT+02:00 Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org:
[Including Yaron, the Miga developer, who is not on this list yet]
On 12/06/14 17:21, Thomas Douillard wrote:
Hi Markus
Hi, I basically proposed a two layers model in extended discussions :
Administrative units | Administrative unit type | Administrative unit
classes by country
City Of London | City of the UK | Type of administrative
unit of the UK
Lorraine | French Region|
in Wikidata for many locations
Thanks,
Gerard
On 11 June 2014 09:48, Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi, I basically proposed a two layers model in extended discussions :
Administrative units | Administrative unit type | Administrative unit
classes by country
City
layers as is relevant to a
specific country,. So yes it is usable for any country, type of
administrative or territorial entity including how for instance the Roman
Catholic church does its thing.
Thanks,
Gerard
On 11 June 2014 11:08, Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi
(that is on a continent)...
This is how it effectively is already in Wikidata for many locations
Thanks,
Gerard
On 11 June 2014 09:48, Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi, I basically proposed a two layers model in extended discussions :
Administrative units | Administrative
http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/files/3129/paper.pdf (forgot the URL)
2014-06-11 16:43 GMT+02:00 Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com:
For a maybe more example, this paper follow that path, and gives example
(and in the same time proves the approach is fully compatible with OWL2
reasoning
@David:
I think you should have a look to fuzzy logic
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q224821 :)
2014-05-29 1:48 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com:
Markus,
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 12:53 AM, Markus Krötzsch
mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote:
This is an easy question once you have
, Thomas Douillard wrote:
@David:
I think you should have a look to fuzzy logic
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q224821:)
Or at probabilistic logic, possibilistic logic, epistemic logic, ... it's
endless. Let's first complete the data we are sure of before we start to
discuss whether Pluto
Héhé, the Wikidata game suggest it may be a little bit too complicated and
better abstracted away by a three button game for mass contribution :)
2014-05-29 21:04 GMT+02:00 Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk:
One other issue to bear in mind: it's *simple* to have properties as a
separate
Hi, for the behavior, I would said a behavior may be linked to a
psychological trait.
I's say a behavior is defined by the person having a lot of acts belonging
to a typical class of events.
someone is said to be aggressive if typically when he acts as hostile in
many situations. I remember a
Hi, I guess we still miss a datatype : the *monolingual text* datatype,
which is aimed to do such tasks. The statement can the be sourced with the
authority website as the (at least an) official term in the language.
A domain where the user face this problem already is the biological
taxonomy
We could create a new qualifier like ''contradicted by'' or ''disputed
by''. The sourcs are a problem though as we can source only the totality of
a claim, not only a qualifier of this claim, so we would have to source all
the sources for the claim and it's disputation sources in the source
One alternative would be
XX author *unknow value* with the disputer as a source.
To express uncertainty we could also use a statement which says the author
is *one of *the french painter in the years 1500 minus Leonardo, and
create the appropriate class, although we do not have all the expressive
We can't at the moment make statements on properties, nor use properties
as value in statement, so this is a little premature. It's on the devs high
priority list
, amongst queries though.
Atm, properties classification is not really something we do well. We got a
list of properties wikipage and
2014-03-17 14:17 GMT+01:00 Pierre Yves Beaudouin pierre.beaudo...@gmail.com
:
And you can't put more than 400 characters in an item.
Pyb
How is that a problem ? we are supposed to put datas in statements
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It's OK if we have a way to represent the information in another way.
Reasonator plays kind of fine with this, it's enough to make him aware of
the official name to treat it differently. The name to display is a
contextful information, and anyway it needs special ways to treat the
information and
Hi Lydia, in languages such as OWL, a class of item can be defined by a
predicate on the properties and values of the item. Will we be able to link
a class Qitem to a Wikidata complex query in the corresponding namespace ?
For example if we define a class Douglas Adams Novels whose instances are
Hehe, still a bit of adjustemnt to be done, looks like nobody actually use
the test site :)
We (the community) should find better ways to actually test the stuffs.
PS: to the devteam, wouhou, great to see the efforts on the development !
2013/12/11 Lukas Benedix bene...@zedat.fu-berlin.de
A
We're figuring out the use of ranking, it's cool but imho it would be great
if the results of the discussions are injected back directly into the
Wibibase data model. If we give cleat labelling to ranks and the two or
three use case that are identified are clearly labelled as such this could
be
The plan is to improve them ;-) Sorry I don't know what kind of reply
you are looking for. Help on the coding side welcome.
If you're looking for a how answer, maybe the message should say what
exactly is expected as input (correct input expected do not count :).
Hi all, speaking of reasonator, I think it is a potential solution if it
does not leave only by the hand of Magnus (who is very productive but I
imagine has a very long schedule ;) and that we start to extend it
colaboratively.
What I would like to see in it or in a gadget based on it :
* More
Hey, I got an ontology question.
Classes are, in semantic web framework and their foundations like
Description Logic, if I'am not wrong, something like a lohic predicate that
intensionaly or extentionaly defines the properties of their instances.
They are usually not qualified, but in Wikidata,
If Wikidata has an ambition to be a really reliable database, we should do
eveything we can to make it easy for users to use any source they want. In
this perspective, if we got datas with guaranted high quality, it make it
easy for Wikidatian to find and use these references for users. Entering a
an import
tool to automatically import the data for the item that needs it. In WP
they do that, there is a tool to import book/journal info by ISBN/doi. The
same can be done in WD.
Micru
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Thomas Douillard
thomas.douill...@gmail.com wrote:
If Wikidata has
I have started https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Modeling which is
supposed to be a place where we index and discuss models used in Wikidata,
and the problem of item classification is the first of all. There is also a
home made classification of domain of applications of models, which is not
I think it is not about a file being or not the best to reprensent
something, it is about can commons gain something by being in wikidata.
And I think it is the case : wikidata will give very powerful tools, with
properties to classify and describe files, and queries to find which files
matches
A search or create workflow should be enforced, it may be to easy for
newbies or lazy users to create new items. Maybe a step with a sort of
popup which informs that this item might already be in the database, maybe
help to search within, then a really create the item - maybe by reusing
the data
013/3/19 Bináris wikipo...@gmail.com
2013/3/19 rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com
wie würde man eigentlich:
* http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskanzler
* http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chancelier_du_Reich
* http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chancelier_imp%C3%A9rial
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