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Jimbo, on his talk page, says this was a removal "for cause", and that he expects the whole Board will provide a further statement. -Robert Rohde On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:03 AM, Kevin Gorman wrote: > As far as I can tell, no one alleges Doc James did anything wrong - if >

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"For cause" can mean a lot of things - everything from getting drunk and plowing in to a crowd to embezzling money, to simply holding consistently different opinions than the rest of the board and continually voicing them. We won't know much more until the board statement (although, again, I'm

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On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 3:25 PM, olatunde isaac wrote: > I'm very disappointed to know that the board meeting was still ongoing as > at the time James revealed that he was ejected from the board. It is a > silly idea! Perhaps he felt the community can stop the meeting

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Announcement about changes to the Board (Lodewijk) > > > ---------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 09:44:38 -0500 > From: Nathan <nawr...@gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board > Message-ID: >

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reverse -- as I frankly > > >> find this whole situation strange and unfortunate. However, it seems > > >> relevant and I thought people in this discussion might want to be > > >> aware of it.. > > >> > > >> I also agree that the information about the two new b

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On Dec 30, 2015 12:33 AM, "Craig Franklin" wrote: > but also for why there was seemingly not any planning for how to deal > with the fallout of that decision. That, at least, was addressed in the text from Jimbo that you quoted: > > Why didn't that happen? Because

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On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote: > On Dec 30, 2015 12:33 AM, "Craig Franklin" > wrote: > > but also for why there was seemingly not any planning for how to deal > > with the fallout of that decision. > > That, at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

I think the expectation is that, unless this truly was an emergency that required immediate and unforeseen action, planning would have been done in advance for the possible outcomes. That wouldn't be making it a foregone conclusion, as Jimmy said. There should have been plans for how to

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"Well, tell that to James. He's the one who went public without warning in the middle of the meeting. You are 100% wrong that this is a decision *against* the community. I know why I voted the way I did - and it has to do with my strong belief in the values of this community and the

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I'm sure that board members would have preferred for the WMF Chairperson to make a statement, rather Jimmy publishing personal opinions as "facts". The comments about James are disappointing for many reasons, but should be given appropriate weight... probably a lot less weight than James' own

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The removal is not transparent at all. Apart from that James was community elected. A democracy words different. Very disappointing. > From: rupert.thur...@gmail.com > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 16:51:14 +0100 > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announ

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ve.com> wrote: > The removal is not transparent at all. > > Apart from that James was community elected. A democracy words different. > > Very disappointing. > >> From: rupert.thur...@gmail.com >> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 16:51:14 +0100 >> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.

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On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 10:00 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > Nathan wrote: > >In any case, its irritating to see people providing cover for the Board's > >lack of transparency or failure to be forthcoming in a timely manner. > > The removal resolution was approved on December 28,

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On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 4:00 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > issue here. This is hardly unusual. Regarding the removal itself, at least > in the United States, it's fairly common for members of a body to be able > to remove/expel one of their own. The Wikimedia Foundation Board of >

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On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Newyorkbrad wrote: > I don't think it's been mentioned on this list that Jimmy Wales (one > of the board members) commented about this matter today on his En-WP > talkpage. Since I assume many people on this list don't follow that > page,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board (Olatunde Isaac)

29 Dec 2015 16:51:14 +0100 From: rupert THURNER <rupert.thur...@gmail.com> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board Message-ID:

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As an add-on note to Jimmy's comment, although it again comes with the specification that I'm not a lawyer, and the only nonprofit governance experience I have is in California rather than Florida: there's a solid possibility that board meetings aren't held with the same sort of non-disclosure

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plitter-w...@live.com> wrote: >> > The removal is not transparent at all. >> > >> > Apart from that James was community elected. A democracy words >> > different. >> > >> > Very disappointing. >> > >> >> From: rupert.

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ery disappointing. > > > >> From: rupert.thur...@gmail.com > >> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 16:51:14 +0100 > >> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board > >> > >> On Tue, Dec 29, 2

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>> aware of it.. > >> > >> I also agree that the information about the two new board members > >> should be circulated promptly. > >> > >> Newyorkbrad/IBM > >> > >> On 12/29/15, Steinsplitter Wiki <steinsplitter-w...@live.com> wrote

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

Dear Patricio, Dear Board members On 29.12.2015 00:29, Patricio Lorente wrote: > Today the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees voted to remove one of the > Trustees, Dr. James Heilman, from the Board. His term ended effective > immediately. This is not how a democratic system works. James'

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On 29 Dec 2015 01:17, "Todd Allen" wrote: > > Even if there are legal reasons that disclosure is not possible, a simple > statement to that effect ("For legal reasons, we cannot provide additional > information") should be at the very least forthcoming. > > If the removal

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On 29/12/15 07:37, MZMcBride wrote: Right, that part isn't surprising. But discounting the unsurprising vote, it was a nearly unanimous decision (8 to 1). I have a good deal of respect for many of the current Board of Trustees members and I have no doubt that all of them understand and

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We need an attorney, but... It looks like Bylaws IV sect 7 *could* override 617.0808 (1) via 617.0808 (2) which says that a IRS 501 (c) organization's bylaws can provide procedures (presumably different than 617.0808 (1) ), but says that you may include 617.0808 (1), and WMF does, explicitly.

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On 2015-12-29, George Herbert wrote: > I do think the Foundation legal staff need to review and some fix to > this needs to be made to the Bylaws for the future, either overriding > 617.0808 (1) (a) 2. explicitly or by making community vote explicitly > the recall

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2015-12-29 10:15 GMT+01:00 Isarra Yos : > It says a lot, but just what that is depends entirely on the context. And > for community members who voted for him, that context could mean we should > also no longer have confidence in him elsewhere in the projects, or in the >

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there are bigger questions than why like; - how can this take place - how can the community ensure its representatives independence in the future, - what effect will this have on other elected representatives on the board The Florida statute(

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Nathan wrote: >In any case, its irritating to see people providing cover for the Board's >lack of transparency or failure to be forthcoming in a timely manner. The removal resolution was approved on December 28, 2015, according to wikimediafoundation.org. Unlike most Board resolutions, it was

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I don't think all the legal speculation here is very helpful. I'm sure the Board or someone else will sagely advise us that the board is self-governing and self-perpetuating and no other legal authority is necessary. In any case, its irritating to see people providing cover for the Board's lack

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It's more complex if they've acted illegally, certainly. Under the law they're citing, it looks like they have. Since community directors are elected by a "class" (editors meeting the eligibility requirements), the law states removal would be possible only by that class, one would presume by

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> > BTW, it's more "community selected" than "community representative". There's an important distinction there. > Quite - all WMF trustees have identical responsibilities, regardless of which method of selection resulted in them being on the board. For instance Alice and Phoebe both served on

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Hoi, it is a great shitstorm Do remember that a community chosen representative voted the other community chosen representative out. It is not a case of he must be good, the others are bad. It is more complicated. Thanks, GerardM On 29 December 2015 at 13:19, Gnangarra

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Bylaws IV Sect 3. (C) says that they're elected by the community then approved by the board subject to other requirements. Starting (first sentence) with "Three Trustees will be selected from candidates approved through community voting." would seem to make them subject to 617.0808 (1) (a) 2.

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From what I understand, the community elections don't directly elect/appoint WMF board members, but essentially provide a recommendation that the WMF board then approves. Have a look at the text of: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:James_Heilman_appointment_2015

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Wikimedia is still a democracy, even if the people running it aren't ..as someone pointed out above, he was selected by over 1800 "contributors" and i have personally seen him make 'minor' mistakes, none justifying why he was removed.. This is quite unbecoming of an organisation that prides itself

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SarahSV wrote: >On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Pete Forsyth >wrote: >> With this action, eight Trustees with little accountability overruled >> several hundred volunteers and another Trustee who literally earned the >> most support votes of any Trustee in the

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Even if there are legal reasons that disclosure is not possible, a simple statement to that effect ("For legal reasons, we cannot provide additional information") should be at the very least forthcoming. If the removal was "not for cause", which apparently is allowed, that should be explicitly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

On 29.12.2015 02:17, MZMcBride wrote: --- ; Approved: Patricio Lorente, Alice Wiegand, Frieda Brioschi, Jimmy Wales, Stu West, Jan-Bart de Vreede, Guy Kawasaki, Denny Vrandečić, ; Oppose: Dariusz Jemielniak, James Heilman --- This is a somewhat interesting breakdown. I'm also paying close

[Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

As Patricio stated the "Board has a responsibility to ... ensure that the Board functions with *mutual confidence*" My fellow trustees need no reason beyond lack of trust in me to justify my removal. No reason beyond that is needed per our board by laws. There was not any COI or legal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

James, Thank you for framing the issue. In the absence of any alternative claim, let me respond to the "trust" issue. "Trust" is not a thing in itself. One person trusts another with a certain responsibility, or to accomplish a certain task. An unqualified "I trust you" is generally the kind of

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On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 8:39 PM, James Heilman wrote: > As Patricio stated the "Board has a responsibility to ... ensure that the > Board functions with *mutual confidence*" > > My fellow trustees need no reason beyond lack of trust in me to justify my > removal. No reason

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Hey Doc, The community wants to know about what happened. I think, you need to talk about this. Regards, Bodhisattwa On 29 Dec 2015 07:25, "Nathan" wrote: > On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 8:39 PM, James Heilman wrote: > > > As Patricio stated the "Board has a

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Bodhisattwa and Nathan, If I imagine myself in James' shoes, I would be thinking a lot right now about: * What are my legal obligations around what I may or may not say * What are the difficult-to-predict consequences to WMF, to Wikimedia, and/or to oneself of saying various things * What

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Hi all - I have to start this email with a pair of disclaimers: I'm both not a lawyer, and I've never been on the board of an organization headquartered in Florida. However, I have been on multiple California-based boards - none that had nearly the revenue of WMF, but some whose assets did run in

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On 28 December 2015 at 18:29, Patricio Lorente wrote: > Dear all, > > Today the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees voted to remove one of the > Trustees, Dr. James Heilman, from the Board. His term ended effective > immediately. > > This was not a decision the

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Here is the resolution removing James. https://m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:James_Heilman_Removal On Tuesday, December 29, 2015, Risker wrote: > On 28 December 2015 at 18:29, Patricio Lorente > > wrote: > > > Dear

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Hi, This official statement is very much weak and does not state any reason of such removal. A rather serious and transparent explanation to the community is needed. Regards, Bodhisattwa On 29 Dec 2015 05:22, "Risker" wrote: > On 28 December 2015 at 18:29, Patricio Lorente

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Under Florida law (https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/617.0808), there is a distinction between removals for cause and removals not for cause (https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/617.0808). Removals not for cause require a 2/3 majority (this standard was still met). If you are

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I really, really hope that, as fast as one can be written, a resolution explaining more fully the circumstances of James' departure from the board is written and passed. If there are legal reasons that mean that his departure cannot be more fully explained, that itself needs to be noted - and I

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I am hopeful that the resolution, when it is published, will provide us with more information. IMO, speed is less important here than the completeness of the information. I'd prefer a more thorough explanation provided tomorrow than a hasty and potentially incomplete explanation today. Thanks,

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Yes, it's still a Florida organization. You can see the resolution cites https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Bylaws#Section_7._Removal , which in turn cites Section 617.0808(1), which is what I linked to ( https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/617.0808) Matt Flaschen On Monday, December

[Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

Dear all, Today the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees voted to remove one of the Trustees, Dr. James Heilman, from the Board. His term ended effective immediately. This was not a decision the Board took lightly. The Board has a responsibility to the Wikimedia movement and the Wikimedia

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I really really hope that the full and transparent text of the resolution is published as soon as is reasonably possible. James has the trust of a colossal number of movement members, and seeing him suddenly removed short of allegations of financial malfeasance or something to that effect is

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Dear Patricio, as James is (or was) a community-elected member, it would have been nice to include reasons why the Board took this decision in the announcement. It gives (at least me) the impression of deliberate non-openness, and I don't like it. Th. 2015-12-29 0:52 GMT+01:00 Risker

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Add me as well.​ ​Eager to know what happened.​ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

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Add my voice to those waiting for the Board to provide something closer to the minimum necessary context for this decision. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to:

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I'd like to suggest we look at this decision from as objective and broad a perspective as possible, and consider any statement (or lack of any statement) from the Wikimedia Foundation from that perspective. My initial thoughts are that the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees are an entity that:

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Pine, the resolution was published, and it does not provide any information. https://m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:James_Heilman_Removal Matt, why would FL law apply to Board decisions? WMF is based in Cali. Are they still officially a Florida entity? Best, Th. 2015-12-29 1:39

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Quite surprised by this action, it does indeed seem unprecedented and I would hope the board would release a statement as to why this decision was made. Unless there are legal reasons that mean the board cannot disclose why, I would think that an explanation should be provided. Steve Crossin

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On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > > With this action, eight Trustees with little accountability overruled > several hundred volunteers and another Trustee who literally earned the > most support votes of any Trustee in the organization's history. > >

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Removing a board member is definitely a serious issue. The community wants to know every aspect of the incident, why suddenly James has been removed. Regards, Tanweer Morshed -- Regards, Tanweer Morshed ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

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If he were in favor, it would've been a simple resignation. I'm not sure why it's surprising he would oppose it. On Dec 28, 2015 6:39 PM, "Ilario Valdelli" wrote: > On 29.12.2015 02:17, MZMcBride wrote: > >> --- >> ; Approved: Patricio Lorente, Alice Wiegand, Frieda Brioschi,

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Removing a board member is definitely a serious issue. The community wants to know every aspects of the incident, why suddenly James have been removed. Regards Tanweer -- Regards, Tanweer Morshed ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

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Todd Allen wrote: >If he were in favor, it would've been a simple resignation. Yes. We're left to presume that James forced a vote here by refusing to step down voluntarily. >I'm not sure why it's surprising he would oppose it. Right, that part isn't surprising. But discounting the unsurprising

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Hello everybody. What grieves me most is that this edit was done by only a few people, however powerful [1] And to make this edit a lot of work and far more trust was involved... [2] [1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Board_of_Trustees=104353=103933 [2]

[Wikimedia-l] [ANNOUNCEMENT] StrepHit IEG project kick-off seminar

[Begging pardon if you read this multiple times] Hi everyone, I would like to announce with great pleasure the StrepHit IEG project kick-off seminar. Of course, you are all invited to attend. The event will be held in a special day: Wikipedia's birthday! Below you can find the details.

[Wikimedia-l] Announcement: English Wikipedia has passed 5 million articles

English Wikipedia has passed 5 million articles. The community has written an open letter (which includes video): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_million_articles Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: English Wikipedia has passed 5 million articles

The Community Letter is included in this week's Signpost issue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-10-28/Community_letter And there is a separate short write-up in News and Notes, which notes Wikidata's third birthday as well:

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I am really very sad to see you go. Most probably we first talked on 10 November 2012 when i sent my identification details to WMF and you attended. And later when I contacted you twice or thrice on on-Wiki harassement (IAC, legal threats etc.) I know we did not agree to some topics (ODoB, Indian

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Hi Philippe, sorry to see you go. I hope you recover soon, and good luck on your future endeavours! Regards, Shlomi Fish On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 12:01:26 -0700 Philippe Beaudette wrote: > Dear friends, > > Six years is a long time. Over the last six years, I've

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so sorry to see you go :-(. I hope you recover soon! > From: phili...@wikimedia.org > Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 12:01:26 -0700 > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement > > Dear friends, > > Six years is a long time. Over the last six yea

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Thank you for all the great work you've done over the years. I hope your health improves quickly and fully, and I will see you around on wiki with us blocking the wrong people, protecting the wrong version, and editing the wrong articles together. KTC On 31/08/2015 20:01, Philippe Beaudette

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On 8/31/2015 12:06 PM, Luis Villa wrote: While Philippe will be impossible to completely replace, I am excited to share that Maggie Dennis [[User:Mdennis (WMF)]] has been promoted to Director of Community Advocacy, effective immediately. I expect Maggie’s amazing combination of energy, patience,

[Wikimedia-l] Announcement

Dear friends, Six years is a long time. Over the last six years, I've been privileged to be a part of so many things with you. And I'm proud of what we've done together. For the last six years, I've been a part of things that will excite me until the day that I die - the things that, together,

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This is the kind of email you never want to respond to, either as a manager or as a friend. Philippe will, of course, be missed around here. I spent my first two years here literally looking him in the eye over a cube wall every day, and as the office’s most frequent explainer of all things wiki,

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ARG!!! and. We will surely miss you Philippe! I'll make sure, if I stumble on to anymore exceptional peanut butter/chocolate recipes, that they head your way post haste! Please take very good care of your wonderful self, Amy On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Philippe Beaudette

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Thank you, Philippe. Speaking of courage, I admire your ability to persevere through thick and thin, 24/7, and your going above and beyond the call of duty on more than one occasion. I hope that your rest is restorative. Wikimedia is better, stronger, safer, and more resilient because of your

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It is really sad to see you leave, but your health must be your priority, and not the community as it has been for the past six years. Everything you have done was always in the best interests of the wider community and that will never be forgotten. You've always worked on opening new doors for

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Very sorry to hear that, Philippe. From the perspective of an outsider to the WMF and many of the "interior processes" of the Wikimedia community, you have always been a ray of light and a source of insight, knowledge and order. Your presence in a discussion, debate or process has always elevated

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Philippe, I feel honoured to have known you these last few years. I will sorely miss you around here, and I wish you all the best with everything. Steven Crossin (Zhang) Sent from my iPhone > On 1 Sep 2015, at 5:01 AM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > > Dear friends, > >

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Congratulations to Maggie, and I'm sure she'll do a great job... but Phillippe, I'm deeply sorry to see you go. Out of everyone I've ever met, you have to be nearly the closest (if not the actual closest) thing that exists to a living repository of Wikimedia's history (and connections.) I don't

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On 15-08-31 03:01 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > I've come to the unpleasant realization that for my own good, I > need to step back and focus on healing, and then look around for new and > exciting opportunities. Godspeed, Philippe. I've known you for all of those six years, and I can tell you

[Wikimedia-l] Announcement WMCON 2016 dates and rough timeline

Dear Wikimedia friends, Wikimedia Deutschland and the Wikimedia Foundation are delighted to announce the date for the next Wikimedia Conference in Berlin: April 20-24, 2016 Wikimedia Affiliates, members of the Wikimedia Foundation board and staff as well as the FDC and AffCom, please save the

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Well done and thank you Nicole and the team. Great work and very detailed reports! *Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

I appreciate Andreas keeping this list updated, and it is not tangential but central to this thread's topic. It is very pertinent that the self-appointed spokesperson of this community (who has styled himself in this NSA suit as a worrier for freedom) was snuggling up to a truly despotic regime,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

Okay, but seriously, please stop resurrecting this thread. If you think it's important that something be done, start a new one, and *actually suggest something* rather than just copying articles from somewhere else. Austin On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 1:58 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

Article in Eurasianet today: Wikipedia Founder Distances Himself from Kazakhstan PR Machine http://www.eurasianet.org/node/72831 ---o0o--- [...] On March 20, Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales hosted an Ask Me Anything

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:34 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Andreas' idea should be written up as an IdeaLab project, or research grant proposal, etc. Thanks. For those interested in getting involved, I've added it on IdeaLab:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 11:55 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 5:53 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: What other unfortunate laws are happening elsewhere in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

I do not think that WMF's filing a suit against NSA should be a starting point for demanding the WMF to cure all the evils of the World, political or otherwise . Even handling the recognized problems of some minor Wikipedias fall outside the scope of the WMF. Wikipedia is the Encyclopedia anyone

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On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Thyge ltl.pri...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think that WMF's filing a suit against NSA should be a starting point for demanding the WMF to cure all the evils of the World, political or otherwise. Well, not all the evils of the world, obviously. :) But there

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On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: These off topic emails about the same subject Andreas grinds his axe about perpetually are pretty annoying. Can moderation do something please? I'm not sure what forum would be more on-topic, if not this one. I

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Hi, 2015-03-13 5:54 GMT+01:00 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com: phoebe ayers wrote: (...) Education is apolitical. Education is certainly not apolitical. People with different political opinions support education, but free education like the one promoted by the WMF is certainly more a political

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Hi all, On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 9:54 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: phoebe ayers wrote: I trust our legal team to make decisions about what legal actions to participate in. Whether the Wikimedia Foundation should be engaged in political advocacy, and if so, who decides when and to

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On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 5:53 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: What other unfortunate laws are happening elsewhere in the world and how do we track and maybe act on those? I gave a very specific example in an earlier post this month:[1] A [Kazakh] law that took effect in

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On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 5:53 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: What other unfortunate laws are happening elsewhere in the world and how do we track and maybe act on those? Here is a concrete

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 7:00 AM Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Steven Walling has written an interesting answer on Quora about one aspect of the New York Times op-ed, i.e. the threat NSA surveillance supposedly poses to Wikipedians living under oppressive regimes:

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I'm generally supportive of this legal action, but I am troubled by this statement: I trust our legal team to make decisions about what legal actions to participate in. In general I think highly of Michelle, but this statement fits a long-running pattern I percieve in WMF governance of the board

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On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm generally supportive of this legal action, but I am troubled by this statement: I trust our legal team to make decisions about what legal actions to participate in. In general I think highly of Michelle, but this

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Oliver, I have thought about running more than once (: Perhaps I am reading more into that comment than was intended. James, I have mixed feelings about having discussions behind closed doors. Sometimes it's convenient or emotionally easier to do so, but I worry about losing our value of

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