Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-10-22 Thread Isaac Olatunde
Fae, Wikitribune is not a Wikimedia project but a project owned by one of the Foundation's trustee, Jimbo. Thus, any question about Wikitribune should be sent to Jimbo. I don't just see the need for this thread if there is a possibility to ask Jimbo personally. Regards, Isaac. On Oct 21,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-10-21 Thread Lodewijk
Well, someone announcing such a project could also be seen as a disclosure. And answering initial questions around such announcement/disclosure is something different from using this as the go-to place to ask those questions. The way you're phrasing this mostly leaves an impression that you're

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-10-21 Thread
That's a useful distinction Isaac, thanks. If Jimmy uses this list to start another thread about Wikitribune, we should raise that with him. Sadly nobody thought to raise that issue when there were only super positive comments about what a great idea Jimmy's new company was. Thanks, Fae On 21

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-10-21 Thread
On 21 October 2017 at 13:05, Isaac Olatunde wrote: > Hi Fae, > > Is there a possibility for you to contact Jimbo or any Wikitribune staff > member about this? I don't just think a thread here on what has happened to > Wikitribune serves any useful purpose. > > Regards, >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-10-21 Thread Isaac Olatunde
Hi Fae, Is there a possibility for you to contact Jimbo or any Wikitribune staff member about this? I don't just think a thread here on what has happened to Wikitribune serves any useful purpose. Regards, Isaac. On Oct 21, 2017 12:45 PM, "Fæ" wrote: > On 25 April 2017 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-10-21 Thread
On 21 October 2017 at 12:44, Fæ wrote: > On 25 April 2017 at 22:59, Jimmy Wales wrote: >> >> Today I announced a new initiative, outside of my Wikimedia activities, >> to combat fake news. It is important to me that I share directly with >> all of you

[Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-10-21 Thread
On 25 April 2017 at 22:59, Jimmy Wales wrote: > > Today I announced a new initiative, outside of my Wikimedia activities, > to combat fake news. It is important to me that I share directly with > all of you information about this new initiative early on. > > The new

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-28 Thread Erik Moeller
Jimmy- I think it's a great initiative! First, kudos for using the CC-BY license. I have reviewed a large number of nonprofit journalism outlets over the last few months [1], and this decision alone would set the project apart from even the public interest media sphere. There are only a few

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-27 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Please remember what Wiki stands for; it is "quick". It is not Wikipedia. It would be problematic when Wikitribune was called "WikipediaTribune". Thanks, GerardM On 28 April 2017 at 07:32, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > On 04/25/2017 05:59 PM, Jimmy Wales

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-27 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 04/25/2017 05:59 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: Today I announced a new initiative, outside of my Wikimedia activities, to combat fake news. It is important to me that I share directly with all of you information about this new initiative early on. First I should say (putting aside the name,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Jimmy I support this suggestion. The Wikitribune trademark is assigned to Jimmy Group Ltd, a company in which all the shares are owned by you – it is a conventional commercial operation of which you are the owner. Its activities directly overlap with one of the Foundations projects, Wikinews,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread Andrew Lih
Thanks for the reminder about that message, I had actually forgotten about it. -Andrew On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:23 AM, Andrea Zanni wrote: > Last time I remember we had a discussion¹ was September 2011 (!): > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011- >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread Samuel Klein
To the initial thread: Jimbo, Thanks for sharing this, and good luck with the project. Do you see WikiTribune collaborating with De Correspondent and other reader-collaborative news efforts? How are you thinking about the topic selection, and work in various languages? Are you focusing more on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
Wednesday, April 26, 2017 17:55 > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune! > > Interesting, thanks Erik. I like those views! > > The jump in Wikivoyage activity in 2013 is telling: public attention to > projects has a tremendous difference in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread Erik Zachte
: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune! Interesting, thanks Erik. I like those views! The jump in Wikivoyage activity in 2013 is telling: public attention to projects has a tremendous difference in their ability to attract and keep dedicated long-term contributors. That's one of the only times we've had

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread Samuel Klein
sts.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf Of Alessandro Marchetti > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 13:01 > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune! > > So we are talking about dead/small projects now? I work on many of them > and I think that what WMF is mainly rati

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread Erik Zachte
: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 13:01 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune! So we are talking about dead/small projects now? I work on many of them and I think that what WMF is mainly rationalization. It's not about just turning them off but merging, interacting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread Alessandro Marchetti
So we are talking about dead/small projects now?  I work on many of them and I think that what WMF is mainly rationalization. It's not about just turning them off but merging, interacting or rebranding many times. IMHO. The problem are both the few user active on them which are proud and they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread Andrea Zanni
Re: metrics and numbers, monthly pageviews are visibile on stats.wikimedia¹, but it would be much easier to have a dedicated section on siteviews². Of course, pageviews are one of the many metrics to take into consideration while evaluation a project, but of course it's important. Aubrey ¹

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread David Gerard
On 26 April 2017 at 09:23, Andrea Zanni wrote: > Last time I remember we had a discussion¹ was September 2011 (!): > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-September/thread.html Everyone interested in Wikified news should read the Wikinews threads in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread Andrea Zanni
Last time I remember we had a discussion¹ was September 2011 (!): https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-September/thread.html There are several threads worth revisiting: I was looking for an old-but-great Andrew Lih's post about Wikinews², and I re-discovered that a project had

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread Ariel Glenn WMF
Hi Jimmy, The articles I've read on the new venture have been like appetizers, providing just enough information to generate a new list of questions. :-) So, in no particular order, here are some things that came to mind: Will the focus be investigative journalism, or "deep dives" in the manner

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread Michael Snow
On 4/25/2017 10:30 PM, Pine W wrote: On the subject of Jimbo being exempt from term limits, my belief is that Jimbo's seat should become a standard community-chosen seat, and no one should be exempt from term limits. I am particularly mindful of the governance problems that have happened while

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-25 Thread Pine W
On the subject of Jimbo being exempt from term limits, my belief is that Jimbo's seat should become a standard community-chosen seat, and no one should be exempt from term limits. I am particularly mindful of the governance problems that have happened while Jimbo has been on the WMF Board, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-25 Thread Samuel Klein
Fae. On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Fæ wrote: > > because the new company "will compete for staff, stories and > donations".[1] Will you be resigning from the WMF board of trustees > I hope not. I hardly see a conflict of loyalties; to the extent there is an overlap of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-25 Thread
Hi Jimmy, Along with the public announcement to the press about Wikitribune, was the story that you had immediately resigned from The Guardian's board because the new company "will compete for staff, stories and donations".[1] Will you be resigning from the WMF board of trustees because the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-25 Thread James Salsman
I have a question: the news about pending Chinese "supply-side structural reforms" is almost all about matching supply to demand; for example see http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-01/22/c_136004899.htm But if you look at pp. 42 and 63 here, you see the proposaled legislative reforms are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-25 Thread David Gerard
On 25 April 2017 at 22:59, Jimmy Wales wrote: > Today I announced a new initiative, outside of my Wikimedia activities, > to combat fake news. It is important to me that I share directly with > all of you information about this new initiative early on. I was one of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-25 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello Jimmy, Thank you for your mail to this list; I saw the announcement earlier this day and read the Wikitribune.com website, watched the video, and also read a newspaper article. Honestly, I am still not quite sure whether I understood fully what Wikitribune is supposed to be. :-) - What is

[Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-25 Thread Jimmy Wales
Today I announced a new initiative, outside of my Wikimedia activities, to combat fake news. It is important to me that I share directly with all of you information about this new initiative early on. The new project will use a wiki-style setup and experiment with bringing together professional