For 10 years or more, already, reliable sources have been mandatory in
the Wikipedia in Portuguese, and any unsourced edit can and should be
reverted and the user warned.
Adding to that, since at least 2016, we use the abuse filters to block any
edition lacking sources. Newbies like the one
WMF is doing it wrong, not we.
Many people in the movement have been alerting to this situation over the
years, apparently to deaf ears.
Paulo
Felipe Schenone escreveu (quinta, 1/02/2024 à(s)
07:09):
> Well, perhaps you'll be elated to know then that the grants for tech seem
> to have been
Should read 2030 Strategy, not 2023 strategy, sorry.
Paulo Santos Perneta escreveu (terça, 23/01/2024
à(s) 19:41):
> I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment. We are currently grappling
> with rather rudimentary approaches when it comes to uploading and reusing
> video and mu
I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment. We are currently grappling with
rather rudimentary approaches when it comes to uploading and reusing video
and music files...
The incredibly useful Graph has been down for quite some time. The
extensive capabilities of Wikidata query representations,
I wholeheartedly join this well-deserved tribute to one of the most
passionate, affable, active, and competent Wikipedians in the pursuit of
free and universal knowledge I know, whom I had the great pleasure of
meeting in person a few weeks ago.
A big hug to Alberto, and thank you very much!
For many months I have been extremely frustrated with Wikisource due to
Google not indexing what is being added to it. I also suspect the problem
may have to do with Ilario Valderi and Galder described, the gadget
parafernalia under it, which seems to have got more complex by 2019 (I seem
to
Hello,
Have you considered asking the Affiliation Committee about what you have
been reporting?
Paulo
On Tue, May 30, 2023, 09:03 Andrew Owens wrote:
> Indeed. This too considering that Wikimedia Foundation have identified
> transparency as one of their core values. While the document
It's quite interesting how these models ended up being so illiterate and
dumb on source reading and interpretation, while so creative and plausible
at the same time.
I'm sure there's a reason for this, can somebody please point to a link to
a place where this is discussed, if you know it?
Thanks,
This is so sad to know... I fondly remember Deror, when we first met in
GLAM Wiki 2018 in Tel Aviv, the way he very warmly welcomed me to the
place, and all the interaction we had afterwards...
Thank you very much Itzik, for telling us about this great loss to our
movement and everyone who had the
Hello,
I'm a bit lost on this, probably because I'm not familiar with US Work
laws. Why did Katherine Maher received $623,286 on severance pay? Was she
fired?
Best,
Paulo
Andreas Kolbe escreveu no dia terça, 9/05/2023 à(s)
22:17:
> The information is right there, Lodewijk, all you need to do
Yes, please, make this a regular event, at least for the time being.
These discussions are incredibly useful, given the speed the developments
are happening in this area, and the complexity of the challenges we are
facing due to them.
And thank's a lot for organizing the meeting yesterday!
Paulo
From the empirical, anecdotal evidence I have, low turnout (could be
worst, but still not great) at my homewiki, the Wikipedia in
Portuguese, was mostly due to lack of interest, part of it eventually
caused by the belief that the way it was designed, the impact on the UCOC
on the wiki would be
I've been playing with it on over the last week, and my experience is that
that AI is incredibly prone to invent informations that look credible,
while being entirely made up by it. It would generate inexistent persons,
dates, events and places, and build an entire story out of them that,
I thought it was decided by the community[1] they wouldn't be allowed in
that kind of format anymore 樂 at least on wiki.en.
[1] -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#RfC_on_the_banners_for_the_December_2022_fundraising_campaign
Benjamin Ikuta escreveu no dia sábado,
banned (temporarily) ChatGPT. [2]
>
> Ref:
> ---
> [1]
> https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/13/google-execs-warn-of-reputational-risk-with-chatgbt-like-tool.html
>
> [2]
> https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/421831/temporary-policy-chatgpt-is-banned
>
> On Thu, Dec
OT for the thread, but on the topic "Competition to Wikipedia" -
This is very new for me (found about it yesterday, through a work mate),
probably already well known for others - but a lot of people (including me)
iw now using it extensively as an alternative to Wikipedia:
https://chat.openai.com
Look, I'm sorry, but I have to say this.
I have not the least idea why WMF is using the resources on this. Was this
a priority, or even needed? What does it serve for?
And, as someone with hypersensitivity to part of the sound spectrum, I
sincerely hope you don't use any of those cacophonic
"*if a wiki chooses to block all unregistered edits (...) w**ould we still
need to auto-block open proxies, if there was no more anonymous editing at
all?*"
Please don't use the term "anonymous" to refer to IP edits, which are
anything but anonymous.
The only edits with a minimum level of
With Wikipedia Zero we were able to filter the users using that program
with a flag similar to the one you propose, and then monitor them and make
informed decisions based on the quality of the editions. I suppose
something similar could be done with OPs too. That would really be a
relief. It
Please, replace "block anonymous access" with "block unregistered access".
That extremely wrong, nocive, but generalized Wikimedia habit of calling IP
access "anonymous", when they are anything but anonymous, is so pervasive
in the wikiverse that I still fall for
"*Firstly, unblock IPs that geolocate to countries where we lack
contributors.Yes we will get more vandalism in those countries, but far far
less than if we also unblocked all IPs in countries where we have lots of
editors.*" -> That's not as simple as that, as the whole Wikipedia Zero
Angola
I absolutely concur with Flo.
Though I've not followed the recent developments Flo tells about, in the
last years this problem has been getting increasingly worse. And despite
dozens of alerts in many public channels, including personally to stewards,
nothing seems to have been done to fix this.
I hope we are not forced to connect Commons categories to Wikipedia
categories because of that, which has been a nasty side effect of
connecting things through Wikidata, due to misunderstanding the Gallery
space in Commons and taking it for some kind of equivalent to articles,
which it is not in
(Clarification: They are chosen by AffCom from a pool of self nominated
candidates usually from the communities that make the Wikimedia Movement -
but community involvement stops there, AFAIK)
P.
Paulo Santos Perneta escreveu no dia terça,
26/10/2021 à(s) 12:16:
> That (AffCom history) I do
:
> During my time on Wikimedia Australia Committee/board the Affcom members
> were elected by the Affiliates, though like all committees individuals can
> be cooped to fill specific needs
>
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 18:53, Paulo Santos Perneta <
> paulospern...@gmail.com>
"Affcom cant be violating this as they are a volunteer community elected
committee." - No, despite the dubious information that AffCom keeps about
themselves on their meta page, they are not "elected", and they do not
answer to the community 8Wikimedia Movement), as you seem to believe.
They are
Welcome Maryana!
The first thing I've done after knowing the name of the new CEO was
stalking the history of your Wikipedia entry, to see when it was created.
And now I've red how it happened first hand About your other Wiki
experience - I also had the privilege of participating in an
"founding a user group or chapter (the latter is pretty unlikely
nowadays), applying
for a grant proposal and being hired by your colleagues as the first staff
member of the user group you founded would be something totally legal, just
lacking any ethical or moral compass." - I believe you are
I'm not sure reversing such a decision, with the consequent indemnisation
that most probably WMF will have to pay to Maria Sefidari, is the best
solution out of this conundrum.
If the evil is already done, it should be solved in a way that best serves
the Movement, and throwing such indemnization
"It also concerns me that the WMF were *not* aware of Community & affiliate
norms in this field - what level of oversight of affiliate governance is
occurring that there being significant affiliates with provisions like this
not be known?"
This is a question I would really like to be answered.
Paid "independent consultant"?
P.
Maggie Dennis escreveu no dia quarta, 23/06/2021
à(s) 23:01:
> Hello, all.
>
> I’m sorry for my lack of clarity! María is *not* Foundation staff. She is
> an independent consultant. She did not discuss this role with me while she
> was on the Board. She quite
Quite thoughtful and very helpful report, thank you very much for doing
that analysis and providing those additional results.
Thanks,
Paulo
Cornelius Kibelka escreveu no dia sexta,
12/03/2021 à(s) 14:12:
> Hi friends,
>
> Over November, December and January, the Movement Strategy team at the
>
Congratulations Santi and Wikimedia Spain!!
That's so great, and so well deserved. It truly is a great milestone in the
history of Free Knowledge in Spain!
Best,
Paulo
Santiago Navarro escreveu no dia quarta,
24/02/2021 à(s) 11:14:
> Hello. I have the pleasure to inform that last Friday, 19th
bership organization (as a matter of law).
>
> Please temper your criticism accordingly.
>
> Brad Patrick
> Former WMF General Counsel
>
> On 10/7/20, 12:47 PM, "Wikimedia-l on behalf of Paulo Santos Perneta" <
> wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org on beha
t; organization which is no longer legally required to hold elections.
>
> Regards,
>
> Adam W.
> [[mw:User:Adamw]]
>
> [1]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_membership_controversy
>
> On 10/7/20 5:55 PM, Paulo Santos Perneta wrote:
> > The
The terms of 3 BoT members expired last month, and the BoT itself decided
to extend them? What is the legitimacy of that? And why is a BoT which is
expected to be in a mere interim management waiting for elections,
presenting profound changes to its Bylaws [1]?
[1] -
Hello,
I've read it, and the recommendations sounded all with good sense, and on
point.
I believe there is an excellent base there for future work on the subject.
You've done a good job, despite the difficult conditions.
Just a minor curiosity: The percentages of Africa and Asia participations
No, not related in the least.
He's probably talking about a recent situation discussed at this ML where a
WMF employee at T emergency role directed someone complaining of
harassment to the AN/I because they thought it was the appropriate venue.
Amir Sarabadani escreveu no dia terça, 25/08/2020
And there never was any insult or anything close to that, just a
misunderstanding, which I believe was clarified.
A terça, 23 de jun de 2020, 08:56, revi escreveu:
> Hi,
>
> > 2020. 6. 23. 14:13, Gnangarra 작성:
> >
> > Nat insulted an ESEAP
> > affiliate because she wanted a European affiliate
(Just reminding that Nat was not elected by the community, as Gnangarra
seems to think, but by the affiliates.)
Jan-Bart de Vreede escreveu no dia segunda,
22/06/2020 à(s) 17:26:
> Hi Gnangarra
>
> I find your request for Nat to resign uncalled for…. and not in the least
> because of the
Hi Nat,
Thank you very much for managing to put out a statement in a reasonable
timeframe, despite the harsh conditions most of all endure now. I can only
imagine how hard it has been to get to that.
Above all, thank you a lot for the sincerity and for the courage on taking
a blame that I'm
Hello Rosie,
Why after all this time, and after all the convulsions that have happened,
AffCom candidates are still being selected by AffCom itself, instead of by
the community, or other more legitimate process?
You wrote: " As a reflection of our commitment to openness, transparency,
and
Why do you ask? Unregistered readers are some kind of inferior creatures
not worth of any attention?
Registering an account and logging in is optional in Wikimedia.
Paulo
Robert Fernandez escreveu no dia segunda,
4/05/2020 à(s) 16:27:
> I know this might sound crazy, but have you considered
In the first days of the pandemic, while trying to read info on my
cellphone, where I'm usually logged out, I was bombed first with that ugly
black thing signed by Katherine Maher, then in the next page I navigated
to, with a red message directed at "my friend from Portugal", both of them
asking
Please don't use the "coronavirus pandemic" misnomer, at least in the
version in Portuguese.
"Coronavirus" is a group of virus, not the disease. It's proper name is
COVID-19. Using that misnomer is akin as calling "retrovirus epidemic" to
AIDS, and fertile ground for all kinds of fake news, such
ngo,
15/03/2020 à(s) 22:01:
> On Sun, 15 Mar 2020 at 21:07, Paulo Santos Perneta
> wrote:
>
> >> Covid is an abreviaton for coronavirus disease.
>
> > No, it's an abbreviation for *Coronavirus Disease 2019* [1]
>
> That would make "COVID-19" mean
I photographed the COVID-19 isolation room at our local university (it's
precisely in front of the cabinet I usually work in), and created the
category for COVID-19 isolations:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:COVID-19_isolations
Best,
Paulo
Yaroslav Blanter escreveu no dia domingo,
virus disease.
>
> J
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 14:56 Paulo Santos Perneta
> wrote:
>
> > Congratulations for the new project.
> >
> > Possibly you could start by moving the "coronavirus" pandemic articles at
> > wiki.en to the proper name of the
Congratulations for the new project.
Possibly you could start by moving the "coronavirus" pandemic articles at
wiki.en to the proper name of the disease, COVID-19.
No idea why the English Wikipedia insists naming this disease with the name
of a group of virus that causes a number of other
Some established users have the habit of reverting every edit by IPs and
newbies in the articles they watch - often with the special reversion tool
- no mater the content and value of the edition. That is a very consistent
behavior I've been observing over more than one decade at the Wikipedia in
The OP is misleading. The issue is not with Commons at all, but with OTRS.
As far as I know, Commons never, ever, deleted a file which was in use in
any Wikimedia project, with the notable expectation of copyvios. Otherwise,
use in *any* wikimedia project = on scope for Commons.
Apparently some
on that. But the onwiki
situation is pretty much awful.
Best,
Paulo
Raymond Leonard escreveu no dia terça,
25/02/2020 à(s) 19:40:
> I hope I am one of those "rare exceptions" that Paulo Santos Perneta writes
> about. I also wish that welcoming would be neither rare or exception
As a rule, (at least) in Wikipedia, with very rare exceptions, established
communities of editors treat newbies as unwelcome invaders.
No idea how to solve that, since it's a problem related to the nature of
humane beings, not something technical.
But the result is a very low rate of retention,
I'm not that familiar with the photosubmissions OTRS queue, and I've no
idea if we have that rule internally on OTRS.
But it surely seems a weird rule. Anything that is on scope to Commons -
which is the case for anything used in Wikdiata too - should be accepted in
photosubmission, period.
That
Hello Quim,
I knew this was a possibility, but it still is a big surprise for me that
the WMF has not recognized the enormous value and potential of Wikimedia
Space, which was a space incredibly more friendlier and easier to use than
anything I've ever seen onwiki. As we discussed last November
publicity the page gets in the month of December.
> >
> > Next year I will try to put it on the news section of the meta home page
> > sooner.
> > Alessandro
> >
> >
> >
> > Il giovedì 23 gennaio 2020, 01:14:00 CET, Paulo Santos Perneta <
>
are so many candidates considering the limited
> publicity the page gets in the month of December.
>
> Next year I will try to put it on the news section of the meta home page
> sooner.
> Alessandro
>
>
>
> Il giovedì 23 gennaio 2020, 01:14:00 CET, Paulo Santos Perneta &l
Not sure this made it to the Wikimedia-L - I couldn't find it easily, at
least. But the candidates for the new mandate in AffCom are under
discussion now (and have been for some time already.
Interested ppl, please follow the link and comment/endorse/ask questions to
them there:
What websites are you talking about, Gerard? I couldn't get that part.
Africa is way more engaged and active that the impression that often passes
to the rest of the movement, and I believe that the WMF staff that went to
Wiki Indaba has noticed that (it was impossible not to notice it, IMO). I
Congratulations to all Malian Wikimedians, it's really great to have one
more affiliate from Africa! :D
Paulo
Isaac Olatunde escreveu no dia sexta, 8/11/2019
à(s) 18:22:
> Congratulations to Wikimedians of Mali. We look toward to collaborating
> with you.
>
> Regards
>
> Isaac
>
> On Fri, Nov
a link?
> Kind regards
> Ziko
>
> Am Sa., 5. Okt. 2019 um 19:16 Uhr schrieb Paulo Santos Perneta <
> paulospern...@gmail.com>:
>
> > Hi Farhad,
> >
> > Very interesting, thank you very much for sharing your insight.
> > The advantages at an organizati
Hi Farhad,
Very interesting, thank you very much for sharing your insight.
The advantages at an organizational level are quite obvious, indeed, and
it's a smart way to deal with those membership limitations.
I'm glad that the WMF & Wikimedia is abandoning the very rigid chapter
model as the
a multiplication of affiliates which are basically
cells or clones of one of them.
If this is safeguarded, cell-style affiliates probably can become a nice
feature.
Paulo
Paulo Santos Perneta escreveu no dia sábado,
5/10/2019 à(s) 00:45:
> Hey,
>
> "*1) if a group has more active cores, may
m
> curious what tipped the scale).
>
> Lodewijk
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 3:01 AM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> paulospern...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > This is a very interesting strategy for any well developed affiliate. It
> > allows :
> >
ome in from
> South
> > of Nevsky (a neighborhood in St. Petersburg).
> >
> > Lodewijk
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 3:29 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> > paulospern...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Wikimedia NYC is a ver
basically a cell.
Paulo
Yuri Astrakhan escreveu no dia quinta, 3/10/2019
à(s) 23:06:
> What about Wikimedia NYC? (I'm not sure of its organizational status)
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 6:03 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> paulospern...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Wal
Wales is a whole country complete with it's own language, I don't believe
it compares with a city UG.
Paulo
Andy Mabbett escreveu no dia quinta, 3/10/2019
à(s) 22:53:
> On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 20:45, Paulo Santos Perneta
> wrote:
>
> > Why isn't it a department of W
ants/List
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 10:46 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Why isn't it a department of Wikimedia Russia, if apparently it's
>> basically a cell of Wikimedia Russia?
>>
>> It's a curious precedent.
>
Why isn't it a department of Wikimedia Russia, if apparently it's basically
a cell of Wikimedia Russia?
It's a curious precedent.
Paulo
Asaf Bartov escreveu no dia quinta, 3/10/2019 à(s)
20:41:
> Ziko: Yes, it is about the major Russian city. And one of its listed
> contacts is the
A surprising amount of staff turnover, and the relation between WMF and the
communities extremely eroded by a row of bad moves and general bad attitude.
I was told I'm too new to this, and it was worst during superprotect, but
it's still mind-boggling why what was supposed to be a symbiotic and
>
> On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 18:08, Paulo Santos Perneta
> wrote:
> >
> > " A second iteration of draft recommendations [4] was published on Meta
> > just before the sprint for
> > the communities’ information." - It's quite unclear what are we supposed
> t
" A second iteration of draft recommendations [4] was published on Meta
just before the sprint for
the communities’ information." - It's quite unclear what are we supposed to
do with this, since those recommendations most probably became outdated in
the course of the Tunis meetings in the days
I've no idea what you mean by " second iteration". I was told by Work Group
members that those are the recommendations that were used as starting
points for the discussions by the Work Groups at Tunis last weekend.
Therefore, all that is most probably outdated stuff by now (it was already
Hey Gregory,
Are you planing to include Portuguese in the list of target languages?
Best,
Paulo
Gregory Varnum escreveu no dia segunda,
23/09/2019 à(s) 18:32:
> I am not entirely sure how this connects to the topic of the thread.
>
> However, I feel I should note that we are indeed interested
Hello,
I totally support Illario words: "if the option is to pay 500 long travels
for scholarships by flight to attend a single event or to pay 500 travels
for the staff of WMF to attend several regional conferences, the answer
will be in favor of the second option which is more sustainable and
Hi,
How and where can one request enabling this at the Portuguese Wikipedia?
Paulo
James Forrester escreveu no dia sexta,
20/09/2019 à(s) 02:01:
> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 17:16, Steven Walling
> wrote:
>
> > How do we see which wikis have partial blocks deployed already / are
> > planning to
Hi Diane,
If there will be a new discussion (and rightly so), what happens to the
"harmonization sprint in Tunis on 20-22 September" mentioned by Nicole in
her messages?
I don't believe there will be much to harmonize between the new discussion
with the community takes place.
Best,
Paulo
Diane
I only started following WMF stuff more closely around 2 years ago, but I
don't remember it being this permanent state of crisis as it is now, with
an ever increasing - now, apparently at an accelerating pace too -
detachment from the onwiki communities.
This is tiresome and distracting for those
After the last disastrous WMF intervention in Wikipedia - Framgate - I
believe the timing is just perfect for the WMF to go forward with this fit
of creativity of branding themselves as the "Wikipedia Foundation".
It's one after another, and never stops.
Best,
Paulo
Yaroslav Blanter escreveu
not approve some of the recommendations". You may recall
> that
> > > >> just
> > > >>>> five years ago, Jan-Bart de Vreede, then chair of the WMF Board,
> > > >>> expressed
> > > >>>> the opinion
> > >
t; >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:LilaTretikov_(WMF)=prev=9585319
> > >>>> over
> > >>>> a much less dramatic change.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> All of this is going to require change, chang
understand that if you decide to take
> a
> >> wiki-break, that might be the way things have to be. Even so, you have
> to
> >> let the Foundation do its work and allow us all to take that next step
> >> when
> >> needed. I can only hope that your break is
let the Foundation do its work and allow us all to take that next step when
> needed. I can only hope that your break is temporary, and that you will
> return when the time is right.
>
> I presume this is a good summary of the WMF position today.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Fri, Aug 2
If I've well understood the timeline, all input from the Wikimedia
community ceases in mid September. Then it's all defined by the WGs 8and
their advisors), and eventually decided upon by the BoT around December.
Therefore, after 15 September or so, the Wikimedia community will only be
dealing
Glad to have someone from CC onboard, welcome Ryan!
Paulo
Katherine Maher escreveu no dia terça, 13/08/2019
à(s) 23:02:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I’m excited to let you all know that Ryan Merkley, formerly CEO of
> Creative Commons, is joining the Wikimedia Foundation as my new chief of
> staff.
>
>
Aug 14, 2019 at 6:38 PM Paulo Santos Perneta
> wrote:
> >
> > If they don't have legal resources, then it is pointless to use NC ND for
> > the content, as they will not be suing anyone that ignores the license
> and
> > commercializes it anyway.
>
> In practice,
I subscribe Ziko's request to redefine the timeline of Strategy 2030, for
the stated reasons. Not only it looks absurd, looking at the quality of the
published materials, which are obviously not fit for a final discussion on
this mater, but also because there's no rush to present results already
rocess
> first, with uncertain outcome.
>
> (I must admit that I haven’t yet read the articles linked in the draft,
> so this email is phrased rather vaguely. I hope it still makes sense.)
>
> Cheers,
> Lucas
>
> On 14.08.19 23:51, Paulo Santos Perneta wrote:
> > Al
All this stuff about misappropriation and unwanted commercial use of
certain content which is being used to justify the inclusion of NC/ND CC
licenses in Commons and other Wikimedia projects, really isn't Wikimedia
concern. If some communities object to certain types of use on content
produced by
" I don't want people to feel that their ideas are being casually
dismissed" - Don't worry, it is not "their ideas. As Nicole Ebber
explained, those recommendations resulted from a lot of different inputs,
and none of them is supposed to be the brainchild of anyone inside the WGs.
If they are
" To distribute many of the function now at WMF in SF to different
locations in the world (whereof 50% in Global south)" - Distributing work
now being paid with US wages to US staff at SF to people at the Global
South paying "Global South wages" sounds a lot like moving the factories
from San
Those are really great news to the "health" of our movement,
congratulations and thanks to all those who helped making this a reality! :D
Paulo
Shani Evenstein escreveu no dia quarta, 31/07/2019
à(s) 18:05:
> Thank you, Kirill, and all who have been involved in making this a
> reality!
>
>
Splendid news, congratulations Wikipedians of Goa!! :D
Frederick: It was really great and a privilege meeting you at CC Global
Summit. We at WMPT are very much looking forward to partner with you in
Wikimedia projects, specially those related to lusophony!
Best,
Paulo
Kirill Lokshin
Hey Greg,
Looks way nicer than the previous version. The thing always moving may be a
little bit annoying after some time, maybe it could have a stop button, and
it would be nice if we could slide it on our will. But the drawing is very
cool.
+1 to change the bright canary yellow box to a more
Hello,
Reading about these developments in India has been absolutely painful, and
a sad reminiscent of a number of past situations.
Most of all, the case with Wikimedia Portugal, when AffCom started imposing
restrictions and "mediation plans" without having any kind of official
hearing with the
What exactly has the English Wikipedia accepted? As far as I know we don't
known on what the WMF thinks they failed. It is just speculation and
personal opinions.
Paulo
A quinta, 4 de jul de 2019, 10:11, Gerard Meijssen <
gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> escreveu:
> Hoi,
> I am astounded that you
The files were mainly kept because most of them were considered to be
utilitarian objects, but IMO the rationale was correct, as all of them are
modern props from the Lord of the Rings movie series.
Personally, I think it could be interpreted or construed as some kind of
petty revenge from Fram
Not really demonizing WMF, but healthily not trusting at face value what
they say, specially given WMF quite messy record at that.
The WMF interference in that Wikipedia community was completely out of
process, and to the moment lacking any justification worth of that name.
IMO it is OK for that
seems to be in a not wiki way and strictly controlled (by the
WMF, apparently).
Paulo
A quarta, 26 de jun de 2019, 11:32, Lucas Werkmeister <
m...@lucaswerkmeister.de> escreveu:
> Why do you consider Wikimedia Space a closed platform?
>
> Cheers,
> Lucas
>
> On 26.06.19 11:
I also generally discuss what I can offwiki (using a number of channels,
but mainly Telegram) , and leave to onwiki discussions what is strictly
necessary, but it has much more to do with the slowness and lack of
usability of the wiki talk system, than with a toxic environment.
That being said,
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