Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Indic MediaWiki Developers User Group

2020-10-14 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Very cool! Congratulations! -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ ‫בתאריך יום ד׳, 14 באוק׳ 2020 ב-19:39 מאת ‪Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight‬‏ <‪ rosiestep.w...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬ > Hi everyone!

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-ambassadors] Translatable modules

2020-09-22 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
‫בתאריך יום ג׳, 22 בספט׳ 2020 ב-19:08 מאת ‪Gerard Meijssen‬‏ <‪ gerard.meijs...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬ > Hoi, > Would it be considered for projects that are not the initial target to opt > in.. I expect that particular in the smaller projects this will be really > welcome and beneficial. > The short

[Wikimedia-l] Translatable modules

2020-09-22 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Hi, *Crossposting to Wikimedia-L, Wikitech-L, MediaWiki-L, and Wikitech-Ambassadors. You can reply to the mailing list, but the ideal place for further discussion is the talk pages of the wiki pages to which I link below.* There's a new proposal to localize Lua modules in a more modern, safe,

[Wikimedia-l] Language showcase, September 2, 2020

2020-08-26 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Hello, This is an announcement about a new installment of the Language Showcase, a series of presentations about various aspects of language diversity and its connection to Wikimedia Projects. This next installment will deal with the Translatable modules project—a proposal to make a framework

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language showcase, August 2020

2020-08-26 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Sorry, I am feeling very unwell today, and since I am the main presenter and host of this meeting, I have to reschedule for next week. My apologies for the late notice. I'll send another email with new details in a minute. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי

[Wikimedia-l] Language showcase, August 2020

2020-08-24 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Hello, This is an announcement about a new installment of the Language Showcase, a series of presentations about various aspects of language diversity and its connection to Wikimedia Projects. This next installment will deal with the Translatable modules project—a proposal to make a framework

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language Showcase, July 2020

2020-07-22 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
‫בתאריך יום א׳, 19 ביולי 2020 ב-18:47 מאת ‪Jan Ainali‬‏ <‪ ainali@gmail.com‬‏>:‬ > Has this also been announced anywhere on-wiki? > Sorry, no, and I guess that it's a bit too late for it now for this edition. However, I'm happy to publish it on a wiki for the next time. Where would be a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Mediawiki-i18n] Language Showcase, July 2020

2020-07-22 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
בתאריך יום א׳, 19 ביולי 2020, 15:50, מאת Asaf Bartov ‏: > Will there be a written summary (of the technical updates, in particular) > for those who would miss or won't make time for the presentation? > I didn't plan to do it, but now that you're asking for it, yeah, I'll publish it. The

[Wikimedia-l] Language Showcase, July 2020

2020-07-19 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Hello, This is an announcement about a new installment of the Language Showcase, a series of presentations about various aspects of language diversity and its connection to Wikimedia Projects. This next installment will deal with the translatewiki website, the Translate extension in general, the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An encyclopedia must be conservative (?)

2020-05-29 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Most people in the world (or at least in the U.S.) use the terms "conservative" and "progressive" when talking about politics, and associate them with bundles of viewpoints on society, economics, religion, and so on. The political aspect is partly relevant to Wikipedia, too, but if we just take

[Wikimedia-l] Language Showcase, May 2020

2020-05-25 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Hello, This is an announcement about a new installment of the Language Showcase, a series of presentations about various aspects of language diversity and its connection to Wikimedia Projects. This new installment will deal with the latest design research about the upcoming section translation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Що робить вас щасливими цього тижня? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 5 April 2020)

2020-04-15 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Two things! 1. Each of the last three weeks were the best ever for the Content Translation extension. The usual number is between 2000 and 4000 per week, and before March 2020, there was only one week with more than 5000 articles published. In each of the last three weeks more than 5000 articles

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message to readers from the Wikimedia Foundation regarding COVID-19

2020-03-19 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
g‬‏>:‬ > The latter I believe to be the most applicable, I have dropped the "plural" > which does more imply the former in english. > > Thanks > Seddon > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 9:13 PM Amir E. Aharoni < > amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrot

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message to readers from the Wikimedia Foundation regarding COVID-19

2020-03-19 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Hi! Thanks for the invitation. In the part that says "We are proving that, even in a time of social distancing, we can celebrate our human bond by coming together online to share our knowledge and experiences.", the word "experiences" - is it more like "life experiences, such as travel, raising

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was macht dich diese Woche glücklich? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 29 Dec 2019)

2020-01-02 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ ‫בתאריך יום ד׳, 1 בינו׳ 2020 ב-18:10 מאת ‪Aron Manning‬‏ <‪ aronmanni...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬ > On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 at 12:23, Amir E. Aharoni

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was macht dich diese Woche glücklich? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 29 Dec 2019)

2020-01-01 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
בתאריך יום ד׳, 1 בינו׳ 2020, 03:46, מאת RhinosF1 - ‏: > Hi Amir, > > Two points to make to you: > > A) Infoboxes can be standardized but the extension for it hasn’t yet been > deployed [ > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T176793] > If it gets deployed, I'll be very happy! > B) Global

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was macht dich diese Woche glücklich? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 29 Dec 2019)

2019-12-31 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
I wrote a proposal to make it possible for templates on Wikimedia sites to be global. It's not a new idea; in fact, it has been requested since 2004, which, if I'm not mistaken, is also the year that templates became available in the first place. But I do think that my proposal to make the global

Re: [Wikimedia-l] default import sources

2019-12-22 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
‫בתאריך יום א׳, 22 בדצמ׳ 2019 ב-13:31 מאת ‪Andy Mabbett‬‏ <‪ a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk‬‏>:‬ > On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 at 06:19, effe iets anders > wrote: > > > I remember bringing this up several years ago at Dutch Wikipedia, and > from > > what I recall, there were people that don't want the import

Re: [Wikimedia-l] default import sources

2019-12-21 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
‫בתאריך יום א׳, 22 בדצמ׳ 2019 ב-8:20 מאת ‪effe iets anders‬‏ <‪ effeietsand...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬ > I remember bringing this up several years ago at Dutch Wikipedia, and from > what I recall, there were people that don't want the import function to be > active on their wiki for more fundamental

[Wikimedia-l] default import sources

2019-12-21 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Hi, One of these oddly-working features of MediaWiki is import sources: from which wikis can you import content into your wiki. The default is none. Nevertheless, a lot of wikis in all kinds of languages do want to import from other wikis, which makes a lot of sense. You can see the full list

[Wikimedia-l] Language Showcase, December 2019

2019-12-17 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Hello, This is an announcement about a new installment of the Language Showcase, a series of presentations about various aspects of language diversity and its connection to Wikimedia Projects. This new installment will deal with the research about section translation and upcoming improvements in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The wikisites looks like 1996

2019-12-14 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
es a > whole lot of arguing in the individual subprojects. If that > standardization means changing a whole lot of templates I'm afraid it > will create much more fighting than real solutions. I'm a little > “Marvin” here… > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 10:14 AM Amir E. Aharoni > wrote: &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The wikisites looks like 1996

2019-12-13 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
‫בתאריך יום ה׳, 12 בדצמ׳ 2019 ב-23:37 מאת ‪Pine W‬‏ <‪wiki.p...@gmail.com ‬‏>:‬ > I'm thinking out loud here. Are there any estimates of would be required in > terms of time (both staff time and community time) and money to make > templates and other tools be much easier to globalize across wikis

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The wikisites looks like 1996

2019-12-13 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
‫בתאריך יום ו׳, 13 בדצמ׳ 2019 ב-2:13 מאת ‪Nick Wilson (Quiddity)‬‏ <‪ nwil...@wikimedia.org‬‏>:‬ > On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 5:26 PM Strainu wrote: > > > The main problem I see with that is that is changing all the on-wiki > > templates and scripts that work with the current skin. There is also a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The wikisites looks like 1996

2019-12-12 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
‫בתאריך יום ה׳, 12 בדצמ׳ 2019 ב-16:54 מאת ‪Samuel Klein‬‏ <‪ meta...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬ > Nice find, thanks for sharing! > > Amir: yes, we need global templates -- a framework for them and incremental > way editors and tools can migrate to that. What's the latest overview of > where that work sits?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The wikisites looks like 1996

2019-12-12 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
‫בתאריך יום ה׳, 12 בדצמ׳ 2019 ב-16:54 מאת ‪Samuel Klein‬‏ <‪ meta...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬ > Nice find, thanks for sharing! > > Amir: yes, we need global templates -- a framework for them and incremental > way editors and tools can migrate to that. What's the latest overview of > where that work sits?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The wikisites looks like 1996

2019-12-11 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
‫בתאריך יום ה׳, 12 בדצמ׳ 2019 ב-3:27 מאת ‪Strainu‬‏ <‪strain...@gmail.com ‬‏>:‬ > În joi, 12 dec. 2019 la 00:21, Amir Sarabadani a > scris: > > > > Do you know about > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements ? > > Those are all evolutions, I think the question here was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

2019-11-25 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
I have similar thoughts. I find the "What makes you happy" emails generally nice and useful and occasionally I reply. But the opening emails are often too long, and have too many sections and links, which make it hard to read. The title "What makes you happy" implies something that is unique for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's making you happy this week? (Week of 10 November 2019) / ߡߎ߲߬ ߞߵߌ ߟߊ߫ ߛߍߥߊ߫ ߞߎ߲߬ߢߐ߮ ߣߌ߲߬ ߞߘߐ߫؟

2019-11-11 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
No need to apologize: I speak a right-to-left language myself, and I fixed a few RTL bugs in MediaWiki, and I confirm that the original subject line is OK :) I'll use the opportunity to also thank the excellent N'Ko Wikipedians, who are doing exceptional work to develop their language online!

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Kva gjer deg glad denne veka? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 3 November 2019)

2019-11-06 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
1. Lots of new sites created in the last few weeks: Neapolitan Wikisource - nap.wikisource.org Hindi Wikisource - hi.wikisource.org N'Ko Wikipedia - nqo.wikipedia.org Balinese Wikipedia - ban.wikipedia.org Mon Wikipedia - mnw.wikipedia.org Very soon: Minangkabau Wiktionary Sakizaya Wikipedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language Showcase, November 2019

2019-11-06 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Reminder: This is happening in 5 minutes :) The meeting will be recorded, and later archived on Commons. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ ‫בתאריך יום ב׳, 4 בנוב׳ 2019 ב-15:28 מאת

[Wikimedia-l] Language Showcase, November 2019

2019-11-04 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Hello, This is an announcement about a new installment of the Language Showcase, a series of presentations about various aspects of language diversity and its connection to Wikimedia Projects. This new installment will deal with the Boost project, the purpose of which is to improve the Content

Re: [Wikimedia-l] อะไรที่ทำให้คุณมีความสุขในสัปดาห์นี้ / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 23 June 2019)

2019-06-27 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
What's making me happy this week? - The surprising growth in the weekly number of translations into the Vietnamese language. To see numbers, go to https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CXStats?uselang=en , scroll to the second chart ("Translations to Tiếng Việt"), and click the "Per week" tab.

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Language showcase June 2019

2019-06-20 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Hello, This is an announcement about a new installment of the Language Showcase, a series of presentations about various aspects of language diversity and its connection to Wikimedia Projects. This new installment will deal with Machine Translation and how we are seeing their use in Wikimedia

[Wikimedia-l] Happy Africa Day: keyboards for all the languages of Africa

2019-05-25 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Hello, and happy Africa day! [ crossposted to African Wikimedians list, general Wikimedia list, and mediawiki-i18n ] To celebrate this, I am announcing the completion of a little pet project that I started a year ago: it is now easy to type in all the languages of Africa in which there is a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-11 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
‫בתאריך יום א׳, 10 במרץ 2019 ב-23:27 מאת ‪Gerard Meijssen‬‏ <‪ gerard.meijs...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬ > Hoi, > I have been thinking about it.. There is a place for research but really > why can we not have the data that allows us to seek out what people are > actually looking for and do not find.. Why

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-11 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
‬ > The idea of a popularity-driven encyclopaedia scares  > > I agree, although I'd make it a bit more focused: an encyclopedia that is *only* popularity-driven is indeed scary. It's good to mention this, and not once, but repeatedly. However, providing Wikipedia editors with information about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-22 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
‫בתאריך יום ו׳, 22 בפבר׳ 2019 ב-10:30 מאת ‪David Cuenca Tudela‬‏ <‪ dacu...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬ > On Fri, 22 Feb 2019, 08:27 Amir E. Aharoni, > wrote: > > > What is our definition of knowledge? > > > > In my opinion, the informal definition would be: all the informati

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-21 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
בתאריך יום ב׳, 18 בפבר׳ 2019, 13:04, מאת David Cuenca Tudela ‏< dacu...@gmail.com>: > Hi Amir, > > > *How can the Wikimedia movement be more truly international * > Participants reported that the current definition of knowledge by Wikimedia > projects is narrow-minded and does not fit the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-17 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
I'm interested. I'm especially interested in any recommendation that is even remotely related to how can the Wikimedia movement be more truly international, and it sounds like there could be something about it there, but even if there isn't, is love to hear the rest. Thanks! בתאריך יום ב׳, 18

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
בתאריך יום ג׳, 1 בינו׳ 2019, 07:37, מאת Paulo Santos Perneta < paulospern...@gmail.com>: > Ahh, it would really be a fantastic improvement if we could get rid of all > that template & category clutter from the articles. [...] Let me tell a little > story: Some months ago I was in a workshop

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
בתאריך יום א׳, 30 בדצמ׳ 2018, 15:55, מאת Yaroslav Blanter : > > > Re main point: People, let us be serious. We missed mobile editing (well, > at least this has been identified as a problem, and something is being done > about it). We missed voice interfaces. We are now missing neural networks. >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
‫בתאריך יום ב׳, 31 בדצמ׳ 2018 ב-10:14 מאת ‪Peter Southwood‬‏ <‪ peter.southw...@telkomsa.net‬‏>:‬ Does the technology exist? Is it available? How does this splitting make maintenance easier? Cheers, Peter Not exactly, but it's doable and it's desirable. There are two relatively recently

[Wikimedia-l] Language showcase #1: 6th December 2018 (Thursday) at 13:00 UTC

2018-11-29 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Hello, This is an announcement about the first installment of the Language Showcase—a series of presentations about various aspects of language diversity and its connection to Wikimedia Projects. This first installment will deal with the challenges of the languages of sub-Saharan Africa and the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Sensory overloads

2018-08-15 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Thank you for sharing this, Romaine. Our experiences are so different, and we should acknowledge it and cherish it, and we need to respect all people and accommodate all people. My experience is related and opposite at the same time. I sometimes tell people that Wikimania is my social life. It's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing launch of Santali Language Wikipedia

2018-08-08 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
This is a wonderful achievement. Shows that dedication and organization can take you far. Good luck in continuing and developing it further! בתאריך יום ד׳, 8 באוג׳ 2018, 17:49, מאת Ali Haidar Khan ‏< tonmoy...@gmail.com>: > Dear All, > > We are very pleased to announce the launch of Santali

[Wikimedia-l] Official disclaimers

2018-06-27 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Hi, All WMF wikis have a "Disclaimers" link at the bottom. The target page often includes language that sounds legal, but they can be edited by people who don't have any official legal role or certification. Is there a general, global policy about how the name of this link is translated, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most wanted articles across languages

2018-05-31 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
a as part of Project Tiger. > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Supporting_Indian_Language_Wikipedias_Program/Contest/Topics > > James > > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Amir E. Aharoni < > amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > > > Hi! > > >

[Wikimedia-l] Most wanted articles across languages

2018-05-31 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Hi! There's a little research project I've been working on in the last few weeks: What are the articles that people are most often looking for in their language, and *cannot* find? I was doing this by looking at the logs of searches in the language search box in the interlanguage links panel and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Igbo Wikimedians User Group

2018-05-11 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Excellent news! It was a pleasure to meet Blossom at the Wikimedia Conference a year ago, and the activities that Blossom, Tochi, and Uzoma advertise on Twitter look very promising and inspiring, too. If any of you are coming to Wikimania, I'd love to meet you! בתאריך יום ו׳, 11 במאי 2018,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-11 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
What are the non-Western methods? בתאריך יום ו׳, 11 במאי 2018, 15:49, מאת Gnangarra ‏: > thats the bias we dont accept knowledge as genuine or authorative until its > been established by a westerner using western techniques. The whole point > of this discussion is that such

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-07 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2018-05-07 9:55 GMT+03:00 Jane Darnell : > Amir, > It's funny - after reading your mail I wondered if I had read Romaine's > mail correctly. You had probably read it correctly. Generally, I'm wondering whether direct invitations to women or people of color (or women of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-07 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
This is a sensitive topic, and I'm a white man myself, so please slap me if I say something dumb. 2018-05-07 7:10 GMT+03:00 Romaine Wiki : > > What has happened? > > She was invited to participate in a Wikimedia activity, because: > 1. she is a woman > 2. she is from a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fake news

2018-04-27 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Try looking at the story of the "Daily Mail ban" in the English Wikipedia. Daily Mail is not really fake news (it's just sensationalist, biased, and not that useful), and the ban is not hermetic, but that is much closer to the topic of fake news than hoaxes. The discussions around the "ban", and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia

2018-04-15 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
I'd just stick to "The Free Encyclopedia". It's a thing we can really agree upon. (We can, right? Please tell me we can.) But I am curious - who made this ad? בתאריך יום א׳, 15 באפר׳ 2018, 15:54, מאת Anthony Cole ‏: > I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ¿Qué te hace feliz esta semana? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 11 March 2018)

2018-03-15 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
What's making me happy this week: The old Wikipedia puzzle globe logo is not used on any Wikipedia any longer. A bit of history, in case you aren't familiar with it: The old logo was retired in 2010. Here's the image: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_Logo_1.0.png . It had

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-03-05 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
t language", > if > > we > > > want to preserve a language we shouldn't create a thing. > > > > > > By the way I was wondering my concerns about cultural colonization may > be > > > addressed -for wikis which has some contents (let's say at leas

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-03-04 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Yes, I mentioned something like this in one of my emails in this thread. Every language goes through a period of creating terminology. Some languages successfully create native words (Icelandic is a famous example), some languages are fine with taking foreign words (um, English took a lot from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-03-01 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2018-02-28 16:03 GMT+02:00 Jean-Philippe Béland : > > The Wikimedia movement is more than encyclopedias... We already have > Wikiversity for teaching, no? Are efforts to contribute to Wikiversity and > other sister projects making us lose focus? I'm not sure to understand

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-03-01 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
no? Are efforts to contribute to Wikiversity > and > > other sister projects making us lose focus? I'm not sure to understand > what > > you are saying. > > > > JP > > > > On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 2:32 AM Amir E. Aharoni < > > amir.ahar...@mail.huji.a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] knowing English is a privilege (was Re: Paid translation)

2018-03-01 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2018-02-28 23:09 GMT+02:00 James Salsman : > > > building an authoritative dictionary is considerably > > harder than building a (de facto) authoritative encyclopedia. > > What reason is there to think that? My any measure of editor hours, or > the amount of money it would take

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-27 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ 2018-02-28 1:03 GMT+02:00 Tim Landscheidt : > Then of course there is the more fundamental problem: If > those 100,000

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-27 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2018-02-28 1:25 GMT+02:00 James Salsman : > > I was not trying to say that everybody > > should learn English. The point I was > > trying to make there is that knowing > > English is a privilege and that it is easy > > to not notice it. > > I agree with that, too. How is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-27 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2018-02-27 21:23 GMT+02:00 James Salsman : > Languages are taught by authoritative dictionaries (after people, and > ahead of almost all other similar reference books.) > ... Yeah, and building an authoritative dictionary is considerably harder than building a (de facto)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-27 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Well... Not that teaching languages—big or small—is bad, but wouldn't we be losing focus if we got into it? Wikibooks and Wikiversity can theoretically be places for teaching. Are they good at it? Probably not. Should they be made better? Maybe. בתאריך 27 בפבר׳ 2018 19:52,‏ "Jean-Philippe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-27 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ 2018-02-27 18:04 GMT+02:00 Tim Landscheidt <t...@tim-landscheidt.de>: > "Amir E. Aharoni" <amir.ahar...@

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-27 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2018-02-27 13:42 GMT+02:00 Vi to : > I see Amir's points, which are pretty reasonable, but I fear this would > suit languages with a significant presence on the web. > > Among them I agree with points 1, 3 and 4 while I'm not sure about #2 > "creating > basic encyclopedic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-27 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2018-02-27 13:00 GMT+02:00 mathieu stumpf guntz < psychosl...@culture-libre.org>: > > > Le 24/02/2018 à 18:08, Vi to a écrit : > >> *finally I think paid translators would hardly turn into stable >> Wikipedians. >> >> I think this misses an important point that is, we don't need the initial >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-27 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Indeed. We can all agree that it's OK for a lot of reason to have differences in content between projects. What these differences are is a separate discussion. These differences often come up when discussing translation projects in Wikipedia, and it's important to recognize them, but it's also

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-25 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
I'll start by saying that I'm one of the developers of Content Translation, so I'm obviously biased about this topic. A lot of good points were raised here, but there's one that is not really mentioned. If it sounds obvious to you, it's great, but it's not obvious to everyone. Here it is: More

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

2017-12-31 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
It may or may not be a coincidence, but today I heard a similar complaint from somebody who occasionally edits in Hebrew, and was freaked out by a welcome message that was sent after he simply read a page in the French Wikipedia. As Jonathan says, even if it is a privacy issue, it's not really a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

2017-12-30 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
ere is culture that was created and developed by the project > community. > > > This is why in my opinion as long as the message is not malicious how > every community handles this is their own thing. > > > Greetings > > Ting > > > > Am 30.12.2017 um 09:29 schr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

2017-12-30 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
It's a good opportunity to step back and discuss a little something. The existence of pretty much every bot is a reason to think of a missing feature in the site's software. The same goes for templates and gadgets. Why do many wikis have custom welcome templates and bots that send them? The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

2017-11-30 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2017-11-30 11:46 GMT+02:00 mathieu stumpf guntz < psychosl...@culture-libre.org>: >> Nobody suggest in no way to do license laundering nor to violates Wiktionaries licence, > > It's not suggestion, it's what Wikidata is already doing with Wikipedia, despite the initial statement of Wikidata

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

2017-11-30 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2017-11-29 23:45 GMT+02:00 Mathieu Stumpf Guntz < psychosl...@culture-libre.org>: > Now, what would be the additional cost of storing sources in > Wikidata? Well, zero cost. Actually, it's already here as the > "reference" attribute is part of the Wikibase item structure. So >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-02 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
I don't read Ziko's concern as one that suggests to exclude developers or teachers. I read it as a suggestion that "... and beyond" is too inclusive, and thus it doesn't mean much. This is a concern that I share myself. I'm all for being inclusive, but the whole point of defining something is

[Wikimedia-l] language guides in your wiki?

2017-09-10 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Hi, (Cross-posting, because this can interest subscribers of several focused mailing lists. This doesn't need much discussion on the mailing lists, and the linked talk page can be used if any discussion is needed.) Many wikis in the Wikimedia world give editors suggestions about the correct

[Wikimedia-l] Which templates should be global?

2017-06-28 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Hallo, TLDR: If you are an experienced editor on any Wikimedia project in any language, please add your ideas here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Which_templates_should_be_global In more detail: Continuing some recent discussions from Phabricator[1], Wikimedia Hackathon, and Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] June 23: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#19)

2017-06-25 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
> When you look at the > team of Amir, they are doing splendid work and I do salute their latest > effort where they now support collation for a language ahead of its support > in standards. > I agree. I think their work is splendid too. I’m glad to hear you share that view. Thank you both,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Naive questions: what could do the movement with 1B dollars/euros?

2017-05-17 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
ot able to research areas which would benefit their local community, > like local diseases). > > Aubrey > > > ¹ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mertonian_norms > ² of course they are paid by their institutions, but the "act of > publishing" and the whole scholarship work

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Naive questions: what could do the movement with 1B dollars/euros?

2017-05-17 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
cyclopedia. > > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < > amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > > > Heh, I remember Mr Wales asking what could the movement do with a million > > dollars some time around 2006. Is anything on the horizon? > > > > What

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Naive questions: what could do the movement with 1B dollars/euros?

2017-05-17 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Heh, I remember Mr Wales asking what could the movement do with a million dollars some time around 2006. Is anything on the horizon? What could we do? Many things; one of them would be to get our act together and become a true leader in software and content localization. Currently we are proud

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Closure of Beta Wikiversity

2017-05-16 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2017-05-16 14:28 GMT+03:00 Milos Rancic : > There are other reasons listed here [1], most of which could be > applied for Multilingual Wikisource, as well, but I see no reason why > to the same with it, as the community of Multilingual Wikisource is > doing a good job. > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's making you happy this week? (Week of 7 May 2017)

2017-05-11 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
OK, so something amazing just happened: A Hebrew Wikipedia editor told me that he uses the translated API Sandbox. This probably sounds cryptic, so let me explain why is this significant. The "API Sandbox" is a technical part of the MediaWiki software that shows all the actions that are

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia hubs in Nigeria

2017-05-04 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Do these Hubs have anything to do with writing in languages other than English? בתאריך 4 במאי 2017 17:55,‏ "Isaac Olatunde" כתב: Greetings, What made me happy this week was the establishment of Wikimedia Hub in two academic institutions in Nigeria, University of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] machine translation

2017-05-03 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2017-05-03 14:06 GMT+03:00 David Cuenca Tudela : > Perhaps it would be a good idea to compare the translated text to the text > that the user wants to save. > > If they are more than 95% the same, that means that the user didn't take > the effort to correct the text. > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] machine translation

2017-05-03 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
[ Meta-comment: We usually call it "CX" and not "CT".[1] ] 2017-05-03 13:37 GMT+03:00 John Erling Blad : > > > > More seriously, it's quite possible that they already used some of the > > translations made by the Norwegian Wikipedia community. In addition to > > being published

Re: [Wikimedia-l] machine translation

2017-05-02 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2017-05-02 21:47 GMT+03:00 John Erling Blad : > Yandex as a general translation engine to be able to read some alien > language is quite good, but as an engine to produce written text it is not > very good at all. ... Nor is it supposed to be. A translator is a person.

[Wikimedia-l] machine translation

2017-05-02 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2017-05-02 18:20 GMT+03:00 John Erling Blad : > Brute force solution; turn the ContentTranslation off. Really stupid > solution. ... Then I guess you don't mind that I'm changing the thread name :) > The next solution; turn the Yandex engine off. That would solve a > part of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why We Read Wikipedia in your language

2017-04-22 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2017-04-21 19:45 GMT+03:00 Leila Zia : > ==What do we want to do now?== > There are quite a few directions this research can continue on, and > the most immediate one is to understand whether the results that we > observe (in English Wikipeida) is robust across

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why We Read Wikipedia in your language

2017-04-21 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
If I want this done for Hebrew and Russian, do I just reply to this thread? Or did I miss the instructions in the first email? :) בתאריך 21 באפר׳ 2017 19:46,‏ "Leila Zia" כתב: > Hi all, > > ==Background== > In November 2016, I presented the result of a joint research that >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-12 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Mmmm, the Hebrew Wikipedia has been gender-neutral for at least eight years :) So Commons is not exactly the first project to do this. בתאריך 12 באפר׳ 2017 10:14 AM,‏ "Fæ" כתב: I am delighted to say that Wikimedia Commons is today the /first/ project to have an official

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-05 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Writing should, indeed, be gender-neutral when the gender is not known. But when the gender is known, it is possible in MediaWiki software to write messaging according to the indicated gender. Note that in the English grammar it is needed relatively rarely in the first place. It is relevant for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's making you happy this week? (Week of 19 March 2017)

2017-03-22 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Here's what making me happy this week: The Hebrew Wikipedia community completed initial training of ORES, so ORES can be enabled in this language soon. 48 Wikipedians manually examined 5000 random diffs and marked them as damaging or not, and whether they appear to have been done in good faith

Re: [Wikimedia-l] March 2: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#9)

2017-03-06 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2017-03-06 15:12 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher : > Rogol, > > They are a vendor we have used in the past to conduct focus groups and run > surveys for the annual fundraiser in the five largest English speaking > countries. We were satisfied with the quality of their work in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Help! Can't save on any Wikipedia

2017-02-21 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
This happened lately to a lot of Wikipedians, including myself. See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151770 for the technical details. Briefly, if you delete all your cookies and log back in to Wikipedia, then this should work. (Deleting your cookies will cause you to get logged out of all your

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts about Wikimedia-l communications

2016-07-27 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
A couple of other points: 1. This list is practically English-only. It's not officially defined, and occasionally people say that posting in other languages is allowed. In practice it doesn't work, and it cannot work—mixing different languages in one list is just wrong. And it's not even a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

2016-06-28 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
I am quite amused; it doesn't happen to me much that people take so much care to protect my privacy. I do appreciate it, though. In case nobody guessed it, I am (probably) "Mr. Western Wikipedian". The language gap in Wikipedias has always concerned me since the very first day I tried editing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Freedom of panorama today approved by Belgian parliament

2016-06-16 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
So can an image of Atomium be finally posted to Commons? :) בתאריך 17 ביוני 2016 02:39,‏ "Romaine Wiki" כתב: > Hi all, > > Great news! > > Freedom of panorama has been voted today in the Belgian parliament. > A mayority voted in favour of freedom of panorama, including

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Kenya - copyright infringement

2016-04-11 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
com>: > Hoi, > Sorry for some nit-picking. It is only one variation of NDS it is not a > variation of NL. The problem with NDS is that there has been a formal > adoption of one variant of NDS that is only for Germany. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 11 April 2016 at 09:

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