Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-18 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Nathan, 13/06/2012 20:37: In my view, no. I think we need to balance the risk argument for anonymity (dissidents, whistleblowers, people editing topics they wouldn't want to be publicly associated with, etc.) with the benefits of partial anonymity. Among these benefits I'd cite the many news

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-14 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Jun 14, 2012 1:30 AM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: A couple of weeks ago, Brion Vibber and I started walking through a series of thoughts about eliminating publicly viewable IP addresses altogether, creating Proto Accounts. That is, to completely anonymize

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-13 Thread Strainu
2012/6/13 Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl: I noticed that my current IPv6 address appears to be assigned dynamically by XS4ALL. I can probably get static if I choose it. But the dynamic assignment option does alleviate some people's privacy concerns, right? It depends on their OS. On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-13 Thread Deryck Chan
On a separate note about IPv6: I just saw the first IPv6 anon entry appearing on my watchlist. It's exciting! Deryck On 13 June 2012 13:43, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: I noticed that my current IPv6 address

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-13 Thread FT2
IPv6 is designed to operate on a one IP = one device/connection (non-NAT) basis, far more than IPv4. Privacy policy coversd personally identifiable information. An IP becomes personally identifying when it broadly allows a person to be identified. If IPv4 can be personally identifying then IPv6

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-13 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 1:36 PM, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: IPv6 is designed to operate on a one IP = one device/connection (non-NAT) basis, far more than IPv4. Privacy policy coversd personally identifiable information. An IP becomes personally identifying when it broadly allows a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-13 Thread Risker
On 13 June 2012 14:09, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: snipping FT2's comment Why is improving anonymity a goal? Our privacy policy governs the disclosure of non-public information, but the IP addresses of editors without an account have always been effectively public. Are IP editors

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-13 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 June 2012 14:09, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I believe that FT2 is saying that we should seriously consider masking the *publicly viewable* IPv6 addresses. The only reason that we publish the IP addresses of any

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-13 Thread Brandon Harris
On Jun 13, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Risker wrote: I believe that FT2 is saying that we should seriously consider masking the *publicly viewable* IPv6 addresses. The only reason that we publish the IP addresses of any logged-out user is for attribution purposes, although some use it for other

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-13 Thread FT2
Wikipedia has held since the start, a philosophy that some aspects of neutral accessible editing are enhanced by pseudonymity. One only need look at early policies and current policies to see they started with strong strict views on this, and retain strong strict views. Reasons where it matters

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-13 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On Jun 13, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Risker wrote: I believe that FT2 is saying that we should seriously consider masking the *publicly viewable* IPv6 addresses. The only reason that we publish the IP addresses of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-13 Thread Risker
On 13 June 2012 14:29, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 June 2012 14:09, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I believe that FT2 is saying that we should seriously consider masking the *publicly viewable* IPv6

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-13 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I think perhaps I was not clear in what I meant by nefarious purposes. The IP addresses in our contribution logs have been used by others to locate editors, to make allegations against individuals and organizations because

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-13 Thread Risker
On 13 June 2012 15:06, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: snip I have to disagree for several reasons. First, while you are correct that no other top 10 website publishes IP information of users, that is in no small part a byproduct of how different Wikipedia is from the other 9. snip I am

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-13 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: The original Wikipedia platform (lo those long years ago) published only partial IP addresses. Today, significantly less transparency seems to mean create an acccount to many people. However, that is antithetical to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-13 Thread Risker
On 13 June 2012 15:39, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Risker wrote: I am struggling to think of any other website of any nature that I have ever visited that publicly identifies editors/posters by their IP address, except

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-13 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Nathan, I'm still trying to come up with *any* site that permits unregistered users to post but also publishes their full IP address. Can you think of any at all? Let's not limit it to the big guys, let's really think this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-13 Thread Platonides
On 13/06/12 00:39, Kim Bruning wrote: What with XS4ALL (my ISP) now also offering IPv6 out-of-the-box, there's at least one extra IPv6 anon on en.wp. ;-) I noticed that my current IPv6 address appears to be assigned dynamically by XS4ALL. I can probably get static if I choose it. But the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-13 Thread John Vandenberg
On Jun 14, 2012 1:30 AM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: A couple of weeks ago, Brion Vibber and I started walking through a series of thoughts about eliminating publicly viewable IP addresses altogether, creating Proto Accounts. That is, to completely anonymize anonymous

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-12 Thread Kim Bruning
On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 11:12:58PM +0200, Erik Moeller wrote: Hi all, We're planning to do limited production testing of IPv6 during the Berlin Hackathon 2012 (June 2-3). Provided that the number of issues we encounter are manageable, we may fully enable IPv6 on IPv6 day, and keep it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-04 Thread Erik Moeller
Hi folks, Mark Bergsma just shared the following recap with me, for those who are interested in the details of what happened at the hackathon and next steps. tl;dr: If all goes well we'll be ready to launch full production deployment on Wednesday, starting around 10AM UTC (MediaWiki engineers

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-03 Thread George Herbert
On Jun 2, 2012, at 6:13, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 June 2012 13:44, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 7:27 PM, John Du Hart compwhi...@gmail.com wrote: What personal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-03 Thread George Herbert
On Jun 2, 2012, at 1:05, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 02/06/12 05:04, Hersfold wrote: I'm very concerned that this is what's going to happen with the IPv6 change - something major is going to fail, and the wiki will become inaccessible, or some major security feature

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-02 Thread MZMcBride
John Du Hart wrote: On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Erik, what time is this scheduled to go live?  And on which projects? Please be specific here. I am gravely concerned about the privacy issues that are attached to IPv6 IP addresses, as they are in many

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-02 Thread Tim Starling
On 02/06/12 05:04, Hersfold wrote: I'm very concerned that this is what's going to happen with the IPv6 change - something major is going to fail, and the wiki will become inaccessible, or some major security feature (blocking or protection, for example) will be rendered inoperable, leaving

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-02 Thread Erik Moeller
Hi Risker et al, a few important points: * IPv6 adoption is still below 1% globally [1]. * It's likely that we'll encounter network-level issues well before we hit application-level issues during limited production testing. * In the event that we manage to resolve all issues, it's likely that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-02 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 June 2012 13:44, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 7:27 PM, John Du Hart compwhi...@gmail.com wrote: What personal information do you think is contained in an IPv6 address? Don't they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-02 Thread Leslie Carr
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 6:13 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 June 2012 13:44, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 7:27 PM, John Du Hart compwhi...@gmail.com wrote: What personal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-02 Thread Birgitte_sb
On Jun 2, 2012, at 5:06 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Moving towards full IPv6 support is part of our responsibility as a good Internet citizen, and this has been in the works for a long time. It's never been an option not to do this as IPv4 addresses are being

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-02 Thread Kat Walsh
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi all, June 6, 2012 is IPv6 Day ( http://www.worldipv6day.org/ ). The goal of this global event is to move more ISPs, equipment manufacturers and web services to permanent adoption of IPv6. We're planning to do limited

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-01 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: In our case here we give away /48 IPV6 to users by default. So I'm wondering, when a IP vandalize Wikipedia or any other project and a block will be placed, how is this done? Will the block just hit the IP or will it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-01 Thread Risker
On 1 June 2012 17:12, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi all, June 6, 2012 is IPv6 Day ( http://www.worldipv6day.org/ ). The goal of this global event is to move more ISPs, equipment manufacturers and web services to permanent adoption of IPv6. We're planning to do limited

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-01 Thread Phil Nash
- Original Message - From: Risker risker...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6 On 1 June 2012 17:12, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi all, June 6, 2012

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-01 Thread David Gerard
On 2 June 2012 00:08, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Fully enabling IPv6 has been coming a *long* time - over a year, with months of planning and work before even that - as Erik's first message in this thread notes, and it was hardly a secret. Your objections may be entirely too late - it is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-01 Thread Risker
Indeed, a long time. Discussed on Mediawiki and bugzilla; it's not even discussed on Wikitech-L. Neither of which 99.9% of users, including many volunteer developers, have time to follow. This is not just a technical change, it's a cultural one. I've long stood up for the Engineering

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-01 Thread Risker
I've got about 18 months worth of Wikitech-L in my archives, and there are two threads that talk about IPv6; one from March, that didn't provide a lot of information, and this one. There may be others, but they're not popping up on my search. Forgive me for failing to read this week's signpost

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-01 Thread Hersfold
Sorry if I'm veering off on a tangent or repeating things here, I only just got added to this list a short while ago but was asked to convey my concerns here. While this has been discussed for some time, it seems as though the announcement that this is getting turned on was only made just