Now there's a vision i could have lived with out. LOL
Josh Luthman wrote:
I like that idea way more then living comfortably. Sitting at home on the
couch naked eating Cheetos provides minimal benefit to society.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite
Should be obvious we're on our company email at 2AM =)
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:16 AM,
Maybe I should lay myself off.
Hmmm.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 12:12 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your
Josh,
You should never eat Cheetos while naked. Too cheesy. Lesson learned a
long time ago.
But then again, I have a cat. I guess that's was also part of the lesson.
Don't eat cheetos naked AND own a cat. Okay.
Bob-
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
To be clear, unemployment insurance is paid by employers, NOT employees.
The you in those sentences is the company you work(ed) for. There are
no deductions from employee paychecks for unemployment insurance.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
It IS part of the overall cost of an employee, just like the SS and Medicare
match. It is money that the employer does not have available to pay the
employee a higher wage.
Regards,
Jeff
Jeff Broadwick
ImageStream
800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can)
+1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l)
-Original
Exactly. This is why you should review any claim made by an ex employee and
keep detailed records of why they left in case you need to dispute one. The
more claims made against you, the higher your rates. Just because they are
unemployed doesn't mean they can get unemployment.
Bob-
FYI.
If anyone is using Seagate 7200.11 SATA hard drives (500gb to the terabyte)
and have been experiencing random blue screens or lockups, they have been
having firmware problems for awhile on these drives and you should backup
your data and send them back to Seagate via RMA.The 7200.11
Looking for options...
Trango Apex is on top of my list for now. If that needs to change let me
know... thanks.
Kinda sticking to 11Ghz because I need to keep the dishes at 4ft or under.
In Florida. Any other better options let me know.
Thanks for your time
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
We just did a multi leg 11 Ghz system, 2 21 miles plus links. We are in
rain zone N so lets see how they hold.
Used Trango Apex with 4.75 dishes (Trango Branded) Rssi was as expected
in the low 50's. Full 256 QAM (260 + Mbps)
Did I mention both were over water? You cant go wrong with Trango o
Just curious,
what about Ceragon? Any good/bad experience with them?
Regards
We just did a multi leg 11 Ghz system, 2 21 miles plus links. We are in
rain zone N so lets see how they hold.
Used Trango Apex with 4.75 dishes (Trango Branded) Rssi was as expected
in the low 50's. Full 256
Our 18GHz Ceragon has been rock solid, but it's only a 2 mile link we
are using it on.
Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
Just curious,
what about Ceragon? Any good/bad experience with them?
Regards
We just did a multi leg 11 Ghz system, 2 21 miles plus links. We are in
rain zone N so lets
Ceragon is great gear, but a good bit more expensive than Trango Apex.
11Ghz will easily rain fade at 20miles in our K or M rain zone. We have
14mile 11GHz links that have faded with rain I can't imagine Florida with a
N rain zone (the worst rain zone in N America) will be a good place for a
I've been unemployed a few times but not for long though as I always
did WHATEVER it took to find a job or start my own gig. I cant stand
not working.
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote:
Obviously you have never been on unemployment.
It sucks.
ryan
On Tue,
Friends dont let friends use Seagates :)
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
FYI.
If anyone is using Seagate 7200.11 SATA hard drives (500gb to the terabyte)
and have been experiencing random blue screens or lockups, they have been
having
I've had really good luck with the Seagates for a long time now but
china-mart finally caught up to them.
Bob-
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
I so wholeheartedly agree on not using Seacrates. It was a sad, sad
day when the bought/ruined Maxtor.
* Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)
* Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/
* (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area
* (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free
-Original
Hi All,
I am giving a look to some email server in-house applications. One is
atmail (atmail.com) which is a rebranded-zimbra (or it looks to be
similar).
They have an ISP license, so I was thinking that maybe you can tell me
your success/horror stories with in-house products.
At the moment I
I was laid off so many times I cant even begin to count. It was all part
of the plan they had Lay off, call back when unemployment was about to
expire, work long enough to get unemployment, lay off again.. My first
job out of high school was with the state. One of those that you are
I second that one. And now Maxtor is treated as the second rate product by
them.
If you cant compete, buy em!
-Bill Gates
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Larry A Weidig
Sent: Tuesday,
In 25+ years of experience, Seagates Maxtors have always been a let
down. Western Digital is the best.
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Robert West
robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
I've had really good luck with the Seagates for a long time now but
china-mart finally caught up to them.
Unless your set on a Linux platform smartermail is a excellent platform,
fairly affordable and very good functionalities and features as close to
enterprise type software without being considered enterprise.
If you're looking for Linux only solution then qmail-toaster is an excellent
Opensource
We have 10 Ceragon links in a mixture of 11Ghz and 6Ghz (low band). The issues
we have had are either cryptic enough that Ceragon themselves has no idea what
to do about it or their support just flat out sucks. Here is the list:
- We paid for 200mbit license, however the radios seem to max out
Funny
We find just the opposite.
WD for us has always been a dud.
One thing we learned a long long time ago however is to purchase drives from
different vendors / distributors
Placing in a harddrive right next to another hard drive from the same
production batch is not wise...
If your
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 09:09, Larry A Weidig lwei...@excel.net wrote:
I so wholeheartedly agree on not using Seacrates. It was a sad, sad
day when the bought/ruined Maxtor.
I've never had anything but bad luck from Maxtor drives going back to the
mid-1990s. Yay for anecdotal
Where do you guys buy your drives from that you have had such good luck with WD
and not Seagate? Since 1994 I have had countless failures with Maxtor and
Western Digital disks. In fact just a few weeks ago I had TWO Western Digitals
fail in the same server and they were Raid Edition disks! In
Very good advice, especially when running a Raid.
Bob-
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:19 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
Funny
Long time ago, I got burned bad buying IBM deathstar drives. IBM is a
good conservative choice right?
Seagate has long been the troublefree conservative choice. I still
prefer seagate and consider them a somewhat safe bet, despite the race
to zero quality in that industry. However, some of
We have used Atmail for a few years now. The server seems to be pretty stable,
we haven't had any terrible issues. We did have a pretty weird issue when we
first started using them that took awhile for them to fix, but they got it
fixed. Our customers love it and it just seems to keep on
Same goes for the Seagate SAS drives, as well. I only had need to buy 4 of
them. One was DOA. 2 died after less than 6 months of use and the other
went a whole 2 years. Not good. Gave up on the SAS.
I gave 3 of them away to a customer to upgrade his autocad server and the
other is here at
There are several outsourced solutions out there that are on a per subscriber
per month basis. They allow for a profit from day one.
-Layne
Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Kevin Sullivan
Sent: Mon 4/19/2010 9:33 AM
To:
Only good experience with them. The radios just work. Some were 11
GHz, some were 18 GHz, only one or two 7.5 GHz.
Throughput matched the nominal 200/300/400 Mbps for small packets; for
large packets, 170 out of 200 Mbps and 360 out of 400 Mbps; those
values are consistent with IP-based (not
If you are looking for a cheap solution as well, here is another option.
Very scalable.
paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com
---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE,
MTCTCE, MTCUME
Link Technologies, Inc --
I gave up on Western Digital and Maxtor YEARS ago from experience and went
to 100% Seagate. I was very happy with them all these years until the past
2 years when their drives started showing up in Wal-Mart with a Low Price.
Since then I've had lots of failures and RMA's. I buy a lot of drives
I have no experience with 802.16e, but have lots with 802.16d.
16d does not support MIMO. However, even without MIMO, we are ripping out
900/5.x and putting in Alvarion .16d. The diversity alone gives it penetration
characteristics equal to or better than 900. WiMax does cost more, as we all
well guess I will try that agaon . sorry all.
---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE,
MTCTCE, MTCUME
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270 Website:
We did not find that WiMax in general was better than 900. The key isn't WiMax,
per se, but diversity antennas. Performance is *helped* by being 3.65 WiMax but
that alone does NOT obviate the need for 900 in our experience. Diversity is
key.
Chuck
On Apr 19, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Jeremie Chism
In all fairness
It not appropriate to single out a HDD by a broad part number like 7200.11.
That part number alone would likely have many revs which would slightly
differ, and each firmware would could have significantly different
compatibility issues.
The Seagate Barracuda has always
Something else that many people gloss over or do not know, is that
most HDs from small retail vendors (Newegg, Walmart, TigerDirect, et
al) have been picked over already by larger corporations, failed the
QA, sent back to $.Manuf, Pass their QA,
and sent into the retail chain.
On Tue, Apr 20,
Well if some 7200.11 drives are bad I don't have the time to pick and
choose between revs and serial numbers.
Seagate screwed me I'm finding a different company that makes good a product.
Would you buy a Toyota Camry if some of them were not built to spec?
On 4/20/10, Tom DeReggi
If you fail at going offlist once, try try again! Sooner or later you may
get it right :)
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re:
yep.. lol.
---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE,
MTCTCE, MTCUME
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
LIVE On-Line Mikrotik
You mean how Chevrolet built the various models of Malibu that sucked, but the
one with the v8 was fine? Yep, I would buy the v8 and avoid the bad sub-models
of Malibu.
--
Adam Kennedy
Network Engineer
Omnicity, Inc.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
As a system builder. I disagree. I have sold seagate drives for 18
years. I built over 200 systems last year. I had 2 I had to RMA. I
have returned 20% of Wd and 30% of hitachi. I will stay with Seagate.
Get a good distributor like ASI .
Steve
On 4/20/10, Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net
I agree that different revisions/hardware versions can make all the
difference. The Seagate 1.5TB drives were terrible out of the gates but
since then the product has greatly improved and we employ several with
no trouble. We knew going into purchasing them that we needed to get a
certain fw
Yes but. Diversity does not necessarilly yield the same percentage
improvement in bands like 900Mhz as it does in 2.4, 3,6 and 5.8.
When we field tested Aperto Pre-Wimax in 5.8 a few years back, we learned a
bit on Polarity diversity. Aperto had a really cool tool that measured both
pols
http://biggovernment.com/capitolconfidential/2010/04/20/googles-former-lobbyist-in-the-white-house-still-lobbying-for-google/
This is why so many of us say anymore Just don't let the federal government
do anything that way there's no incentive to corrupt it.
The more it controls, the more it
Mark I told you years ago to go create your own anti-government rant email
list. Still bothering this list, I see...
- Original Message -
From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:11 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Free
We enjoy our Apex links too although I wish the firmware would get
updated again. I still prefer the Dragonwaves at least a little bit more
than the Apexes because of a more reliable firmware.
Anyway, where did you find your rain zone information? Seems it was
listed in a Bridgewave manual a
What I was getting as is if you have 100 Camrys (or Malibu, Cobalt, Altima,
Focus, Avenger, etc) and 25 of them with known bad construction (imagine one
of the four workers was hungover that day) would you still go shopping for
that car? Are you going to go as far as to check the VIN to make sure
For MW link calcs we use the DW tool
Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steven McGehee
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:20 PM
To: WISPA
From what I've seen personally, it's the 320GB to below the 500GB drives
with firmware SD15, SD16, SD17 and SD18.
From there, ALL the 500GB and up Barracuda 7200.11 drives are affected. I
had one drive that I sent into Seagate as RMA, drive came back with
different firmware, SD1A, drive failed
I buy all of mine from a distributor we've dealt with for many years. Good
quality and all retail versions in bulk.
Bob-
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:36 AM
To: WISPA
I'm also a system builder and have used 100% Seagate for a long time. My
point is that the 500 to 1000gb Barracuda 7200.11 drives have very good
chance of failure but it may take a year or 2 to show up.
Bob-
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
I agree, no one has the time to want to do that. But not much any one can do
about it.
What you aren't understanding is that that problem is not unique to Seagate.
Every other HDD manufacturer has the same issue, they constantly make Rev
changes to their HDD models. Its rare to buy a HDD 2
Bob, I agree, there are some issues out there that we have seen firmware
issues in the past. The hot swappable scsi drives had serious issues a few
years back. I had all kinds of issues getting them to hold a partition
but Seagate found the issue called me and helped setup a separate computer
to
Every hard drive I have ever bought has been since the day I installed it.
I have some drives nearly a decade old. Still have that $500 4GB disk
somewhere...
I've always bought on recommendations and I used Seagate up until the
7200.10 and 11 nightmares. A friend in Kansas spent three days
regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered
both and the decision was based on price... :-(
Why do you dislike the RFS antenna compared to the Andrews?
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message -
From: Rubens
I forwarded this along to a colleague of mine and he said that he hasn't
had this issue with any recent firmware. Then he went as far as to tell
me that you can upgrade the firmware yourself if you connect via serial
(?!) to make some changes. Details are here:
Prior to be replaced with Ceragon, most of the radios were Nera (bad
choice) with Andrew antennas (good choice). The Andrew antennas had
better alignment controls and, most important, better fixation and
waterproofing. Andrew antennas also had more diameter options, like
having three-feet, not
I understand. I'm still using Seagate in hope that they have their
manufacturing and assembly process figured out now. This one issue has been
going on for almost 2 years but it's starting to ramp up faster now. Again,
only an FYI in case anyone is using them for critical info.
Bob-
Yeah, I had to reset one via serial just to get the drive running again and
retrieve the info.
Works but is pretty involved.
Bob-
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Charles Hooper
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:24 PM
Yes! all I use... Seagate was good 20 years ago.
RickG wrote:
In 25+ years of experience, Seagates Maxtors have always been a let
down. Western Digital is the best.
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Robert West
robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
I've had really good luck
It does apply here.
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote:
Mark I told you years ago to go create your own anti-government rant email
list. Still bothering this list, I see...
- Original Message -
From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
To: WISPA
Give the facts, give the opinion, leave the radical commentary for the other
lists for people who share your views and want to hear it.
- Original Message -
From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:34 PM
Subject: Re:
I'll admit the Baracudas are legendary. I thought we were talking IDE SATA?
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote:
In all fairness
It not appropriate to single out a HDD by a broad part number like 7200.11.
That part number alone would likely have
I only saw facts opinion, nothing radical. So, I guess you need to
define radical.
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote:
Give the facts, give the opinion, leave the radical commentary for the other
lists for people who share your views and want to hear it.
Please use common sense. Stop feeding the MDK troll. Take it off to a
political list.
RickG wrote:
I only saw facts opinion, nothing radical. So, I guess you need to
define "radical".
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote:
Give the facts,
Looking at the words, you're correct. Perhaps I'm going more off of prior
feelings of prior posts. Sorry for that.
If you've been a WISPA member for years like I have, you know Mark
Koskenmaki's anti-government views. You've heard the over over over
over over over. So yes a little
On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
My point here is that Diversity can make a huge difference, diversity is
the differenciator, but that the benefit of diversity can vary dependant on
the Freq used and environment tackling, based on past experience.
Without looking up the
On the motorola webinar today they talked about the benefits of
diversity and had comparisons between 900 3.65 part d and motorola's
320. Of course I understand the 90 percent of what they probably said
was a stretch of the truth. They had a guy in Florida that tested all
three and the 320
What issues did you have with Nera? We were looking to go with them due to
the issues we have had with Ceragon. We looked at Dragonwave as well but
several things turned us off of them. I don't know of any other big players
that can do 200+ mbit with options of 11Ghz, 6Ghz and external antennas
What turned you off to Dragonwave?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-Original Message-
From: Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:40:59
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?
What issues
The diagnostics were all windows based it seemed. The issue we have is that
not all machines are windows based and it would be nice to have our
monitoring system be able to run some of the diagnostics as well (which is
Linux based). Not only that but it felt like the deep diags were all closed
Oh, and PoE seemed too Unlicensed-ish for us. I hate dealing with PoE with
any equipment backhauls, no matter the brand. We need the ability to mount a
licensed link without worrying how far the Cat5 run is. We have also had
some serious issues with Cat5 lightning arrestors and we would really
Well with the exception of the CAT5 limitations I believe your concerns with
the Horizon Compact are unfounded.
I have nearly 40 links in Manhattan on some of the largest buildings in America
that get direct hits all the time and have had NO issues with Transtector
arrestors.
Good luck with
So you are making your decision on what you saw with Dragonwave equipment in
2007???
That is not making a lot of sense.
You can open the diagnostic files in notepad and look at everything. No secrets.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-Original Message-
From: Adam Kennedy
Doesn't everyone that puts up licensed 6+ ghz links just use waveguide and
leave radio's down in the shelter where they need to be?
Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
One would think. However the Dragonwave equipment we saw was PoE. But again,
We haven't seen a demo of Dragonwave since 2007. We have used Ceragon and
Nera recently (this year).
Has anyone seen issues with Nera equipment? What problems did you have?
On 4/21/10 11:18 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
All 20+ of my licensed links are PoE with the radio on the back of the
dish. Saves us money at tower locations where they charge per U of rack
space. :)
Travis
Microserv
Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Doesn't everyone that puts up licensed 6+ ghz links just use waveguide and
leave radio's down in
hi,
Im supposed to do a project to interconnect three satelite campuses
to the Hq. I was looking for solutions, im thinking of using
MikrotikThe campuses are on average 5Km apart. Can anyone who
has done such a project give me ideas or point me in the right
direction, on hardware/setup i
What are the bandwidth requirements? LOS between points?
On 4/20/2010 11:40 PM, Frank Ombech wrote:
hi,
Im supposed to do a project to interconnect three satelite campuses
to the Hq. I was looking for solutions, im thinking of using
MikrotikThe campuses are on average 5Km apart.
There is LOS between the points, The bandwidth requirements are not
so much, the connections will be used as WAN connection to access
internet and some applications at the Hq so anything around 20MB
should be sufficient.
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Chris Gotstein ch...@uplogon.com wrote:
Mikrotik would be a good low cost solution. If you are looking for
something that is completely integrated, I like Tranzeo or Solectek 5.8
gear.
On 4/20/2010 11:48 PM, Frank Ombech wrote:
There is LOS between the points, The bandwidth requirements are not
so much, the connections will be
so what wimax gear are you using?
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102
From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:18 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion 3.65ghz NLOS as good as
Oops not offlist good thing it wasn't a secret ;)
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102
From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:18 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion
I would definitely use two ptp links. 411ah and xr5 boards. 20mhz
channels will get you a solid 30 megs. If you want a full parts list
let me know.
On 4/21/10, Chris Gotstein ch...@uplogon.com wrote:
Mikrotik would be a good low cost solution. If you are looking for
something that is
Hey Brad... I'm not familiar with this gear (or any at 11Ghz). Trango ran
the analysis and came back with 4 9's for the link. There was about 35db
rain fade margin at 100Mb rate.
I assume maybe a problem in a torrential downpour but will a good ole
regular rain take the link out? I've got
smartermail
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102
From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:10 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] atmail mail server or similar
Zimbra, we've been using the Open Source version, been running solid for
about 1 year.
Regards
Michael Baird
smartermail
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102
From: Paolo Di Francescopaolo.difrance...@teleinform.com
Sent: Tuesday,
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