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From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:15 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
I agree with Chuck H. Do not give them ANY information regarding your
customer without a subpoena.
You could
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
Notify customer, give a warning, make not on account, disregard studio
letter. Wait for subpoena before giving the studios any information.
Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Adam Goodman
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
We have received an email from our provider with a complaint from
Twentieth Century FOX Film
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
Notify customer, give a warning, make not on account, disregard studio
letter
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106
From: Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:56 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
To me the question is how much work should I
From: os10ru...@gmail.com os10ru...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:03 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
What are you guys doing who have some/all of your network nat'ed? Seems
like
Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
Really to cover yourself you would need to know what customer it came from,
When NAT'ing that's hard to do. So yeah, I would agree you the ISP could
become the sole person
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
Really to cover yourself you would need to know what customer it came from,
When NAT'ing that's hard to do
, November 10, 2009 9:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
That works for current infringements but what about those last night? last
week? last month?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
The secret
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:48 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
So what does the law require?
It doesn't.
Is this a case for why providing Internet
But they also keep records of who had which IP when.
Greg
On Nov 10, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Keep in mind, too, that IPs are dynamic with most ISPs.
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...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:48 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
So what does the law require?
It doesn't.
Is this a case for why providing Internet services without a static public
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
That works for current infringements but what about those last night? last
week? last month?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937
...@sandboxitsolutions.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:14 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
AFAIK your assertion that NAT/DHCP - has no way to know is not
entirely correct.
Just how most Cable companies require you to register the MAC
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
Really to cover yourself you would need to know what customer it came from,
When NAT'ing that's hard to do. So yeah, I would agree you the ISP could
become the sole person responsible for that unless you can point fingers at
a customer.
Nick
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
Really to cover yourself you would need to know what customer it came
from,
When NAT'ing that's hard to do. So yeah, I would agree you the ISP could
become the sole person responsible for that unless you can point
, November 10, 2009 3:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
Sounds like a lot of work. I think the question should be - Is it really
your (our) job to protect those crappies revenue stream?
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Jerry Richardson
jrichard
there is an easier way.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
Really to cover yourself you would need
: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
Sounds like a lot of work. I think the question should be - Is it really
your (our) job to protect those crappies revenue stream?
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Jerry Richardson
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
Really to cover yourself you would need to know what customer it
came from,
When NAT'ing that's hard to do. So yeah, I would agree you the ISP
] On
Behalf Of Adam Goodman
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
Sounds like a lot of work. I think the question should be - Is it really
your (our) job to protect those crappies revenue stream?
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12
Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
This information will help clarify (or confuse further)
http://www.wispa.org/calea/WCS/
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless
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laters,
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Clint Ricker cric...@kentnis.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
CALEA does require that you be able to identify subscribers by IP address
- Original Message -
From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
OK so let's play out the scenario.
Studio wants ISP send a letter to the customer
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
You do NOT have to be able to identify the user by IP. What you have to be
able to do is forward (in real time) all traffic to LEA.
Butch Evens helped write our standard:
http
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Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:05 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
You have to be able to Identify the Customer, weather you do it via IP or
any other info is a monior Technicality. A lot of the Subpoena issued
via mail
Of Jonathan Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 6:14 PM
To: fai...@snappydsl.net; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
It's dumb. You could have 100s of folks behind a NAT.
You can identify the account connection to your system but not the ID of
the computer
. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
You do NOT have to be able to identify the user by IP. What you have to be
able to do is forward (in real time) all traffic to LEA.
Butch Evens helped write our standard:
http
West
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 6:25 PM
To: fai...@snappydsl.net; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
We Nat everyone and we log not much of anything because I'm an internet
service, not a monitoring service. They don't pay me to do such things
therefore I
General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
An that will be sufficient assuming that you can point to an IP on your
network and know who has it at the time. the only way to do that is to track
the MAC address of the CPE.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun
, 2009 9:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
An that will be sufficient assuming that you can point to an IP on your
network and know who has it at the time. the only way to do that is to track
the MAC address of the CPE.
-Original Message-
From
-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
I assume you gave them a port on your edge switch that mirrored your network
feed?
-Original
We have received an email from our provider with a complaint from
Twentieth Century FOX Film Corporation about a download movie from
BitTorrent.
They demand we notify the customer and make sure the customer is aware
of our AUP. Has anyone received a notice like this and how did you
handle the
We receive several a day. I send a standard copyright infringement
notice letter via email to the customer specifying they have seven days
to respond, and I also post notes on their account about this warning
and what it was actually for. The customer is supposed to respond to us
within 7 days
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Adam Goodman
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
We have received an email from our provider with a complaint from
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Adam Goodman
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
We have received an email from our provider with a complaint from
Twentieth Century FOX Film Corporation about a download movie
http://www.shelbybb.com
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Adam Goodman
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
We have received an email from our
...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Adam Goodman
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
We have
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
Notify customer, give a warning, make not on account, disregard studio
letter. Wait for subpoena before giving the studios any
...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Adam Goodman
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
We have received an email from our provider with a complaint from
Twentieth Century FOX Film Corporation about a download movie from
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 1:24 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
On a couple of occasions, I picked up the phone and had a conversation
with
the folks on the other side who
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