Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me do
my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, telnet and
web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every port from
1024 through 65535 to my IP
Linksys defaults upnp to on.
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Default for everything I'm aware of is off. Unless
?
Bob-
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 3:24 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
We've been using v6 internally for about
When I worked for ATT Wireless we purchased everything from DS3's to
DS1's from Time Warner Telecom.
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote:
At 8/4/2010 08:06 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Time Warner Telecom and Time Warner Cable are entirely different
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:57 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Fired.
WISPA Wants You! Join today!
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: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Robert, what upstream is charging $15 per month? If that is true, I have a
portable /19 I am going to start
.
Or not.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Thomas
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
And if I were your client, and you told me $10
] On
Behalf Of John Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Robert, what upstream is charging $15 per month? If that is true, I have a
portable /19 I am going to start renting..
John
Robert Westrobert.w...@just
At 8/4/2010 08:06 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Time Warner Telecom and Time Warner Cable are entirely different
companies. No present relationship whatsoever.
Even worse than that. tw Telecom (small tw), Time Warner Cable,
and Time Warner Inc. (CNN-Turner, Time magazine, etc.) are *three*
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
I see 15/month for static public all the time here. I guess it depends
on your market. But I also have comcast doing 50/5 here to.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 2, 2010, at 6:27 PM, John Thomas
, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedyadamkenn
Of Blake Covarrubias
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 3:24 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
We've been using v6 internally for about a year.
We've recently begun providing v6 to select customers; usually the ones with
/26 or more of v4 address space
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Time Warner Telecom and Time Warner Cable are entirely different
companies. No present relationship whatsoever.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
On 8/4/2010 1:23 AM, John Thomas wrote:
Yes
How long have been using the v6?
Bob-
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
I wasn't aware so
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Thomas
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would
find a new ISP. The most I have ever
...@mtin.net
http://www.mtin.net/blog
Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 12:00:42 -0500
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT
General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
I plan to IPv6 in the next year or so.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
On 8/2/2010 10:04 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote:
Reason number 5392 to not NAT your customers. Along
Back when I had time for playing games, I did this very same thing. Put
my own game server in and, man, it was fun...latency rocked!
-Cameron
WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/
ATT and Time Warner. You may have heard of them. :)
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Robert
to be one you'd rather let go.
Or not.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Thomas
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
And if I were your client
of them. :)
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Robert, what upstream is charging $15 per month
-0500
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
I plan to IPv6 in the next year or so.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
On 8/2/2010 10:04 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote:
Reason number 5392 to not NAT your
You need one of the 4.x releases of MT for XBox uPNP to work.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
On 8/2/2010 9:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to
you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX
I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT.
When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have
it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they
gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp. Even
this requires a public IP on the
I've heard it a bit. Personally, I've never had a problem when my Xbox would
list my NAT as strict. But I've heard people scream about it. You can either
port forward to them, Or enable UPnP and it will do it for you. If your double
NAT-ing then you will need to do it on both routers as UPnP
The easy answer is give the complainers a public. The problem you will
run into is XBOX live tells them their nat status. In my experience you
will have the people who are being told by Microsoft they need to have a
simple nat or whatever the box tells them.
You can make it work with
: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT.
When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have
it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they
gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp
Reason number 5392 to not NAT your customers. Along those lines, who
is rolling out a dual stack ipv6 network?
On 8/2/10, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you
about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very
This could be a huge advantage to you.
Walk with me a second... or two.
If a client wishes a Dedicated IP address that works for services such as
Gaming, VPN, etc.
Then let them pay a little extra for it.
I see this as a natural money maker myself.
-- glenn
On Aug 2, 2010, at 11:04 AM,
:43 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told
that it's a big security hole.
Thoughts on that?
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General
, 2010 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT.
When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have
it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they
gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy
-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told
that it's a big security hole.
Thoughts on that?
marlon
...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Everything i keep coming up with to make this work ideal according to the
customer is Im gonna have to sell them a public ip for $10/month *grins*
and then make sure their CPE is in bridge mode and assign
they can enable UPnP themselves.
-Kurt Fankhauser
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.comj...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live
uPNP on the only router between public and private will play friendly
with multiple XBoxes.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
On 8/2/2010 9:32 AM, Nick Olsen wrote:
I've heard it a bit. Personally, I've never had a problem when my Xbox
would list my
I plan to IPv6 in the next year or so.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
On 8/2/2010 10:04 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote:
Reason number 5392 to not NAT your customers. Along those lines, who
is rolling out a dual stack ipv6 network?
On 8/2/10, Kurt
: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT.
When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes
-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 12:00:42 -0500
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
I plan to IPv6 in the next year or so.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
On 8/2/2010 10:04
been told
that it's a big security hole.
Thoughts on that?
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
I don't seem
turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told
that it's a big security hole.
Thoughts on that?
marlon
- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM
Subje
that it's a big security hole.
Thoughts on that?
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
I don't seem to have any issues
: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT.
When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have
it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they
gave me) so I
@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy
:
Everything i keep coming up with to make this work ideal according to the
customer is Im gonna...
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA Gener...
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Don't
List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM
Ditto!
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Around here everyone charges 15 for a static.
On Aug 2, 2010 7:29 PM, John
with to make this work ideal according to the
customer is Im gonna...
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA Gener...
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Don't the majority of us NAT
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937
Or dreaming.
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Time Warner is about $15
In this neck of the woods
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 5:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
BellSouth (ATT) charges $10.
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:27 PM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote:
And if I were
List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM
Fired.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:46 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Simple analysis might expose that customer to be one you'd rather
On 2 August 2010 20:26, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote:
Time Warner is about $15
In this neck of the woods there are not that many providers - you going
elsewhere would necessitate you either going into business for yourself or
moving to Sneaker Net ;-)
For a *static* or just for
Yup!
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:57 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Fired
With me, a static and public is one in the same.
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:57 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
On 2 August 2010 20:26, Glenn
List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told
that it's a big security hole.
Thoughts on that?
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless
...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Thomas
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would
find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month.
John
Kurt
.
Or not.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Thomas
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would
of the
cost of providing service to that customer.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
I wasn't
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would
find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month.
John
Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
Everything i keep coming up
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
I wasn't aware so many WISPs charge for static and/or public IPs.
We have a /19 and /21 IPv4 allocation, and a /32 v6 allocation. All
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