Trango does not have a CPE that will work with my 802.11b system. 5ghz
around here only gets me a tenth of a mile or so. Michigan is beautiful
if trees is what you like. 5ghz only works sometimes on my backhauls if
I can get up over 100ft.
If they did that with 900, that would be news. A p
Hi,
You may want to read the website again (as well as the DSLreports
article where one of the owners makes several posts).
The unit says "12db integrated antenna available". The $92 price does
NOT include an antenna.
Travis
Microserv
fred wrote:
for the trango stuff in 100qty the dishes
Anyone seen FON
? This is insane.
Anyone test one yet
? I want to know what network their hotspot runs back to, so I can
block it
Can someone that
might have one throw a sniffer against it ?
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I currently use the ISC DHCP server but want to switch to RouterOS. I use
the dhcpd.conf file to specify host names and DNS registration for clients.
Is there a way to access this file in the RouterOS system? Does RouterOS use
a similar file for DHCP and if so can I access it? Can I setup a scri
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out of
curiosity (would like input from the pro net neutral people) -- would blocking
something like FON constitute a violation of net neutrality?
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And don't forget that it's WiFi vs. a proprietary engineered outdoor WISP
protocol
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sen
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I still don't see why anyone should be able to use my
network without paying me for the right to do so.
PERIOD.
I don't run a network for the benefit of the free world, I
run it for the benefit of my checkbook. Which needs SERIOUS help.
:)
OK, and while we're at it, why
The order has already been placed for these units and they should be
arriving in the states shortly. I believe John ordered a few extras so if
anyone wanted to get one who missed out on the GP they still can. I think
he ordered 6080s with the memory expansion. I'm looking forward to trying
mine
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006, Charles Wu wrote:
out of curiosity (would like input from the pro net neutral people)
-- would blocking something like FON constitute a violation of net
neutrality?
I don't think you'll find many "pro net neutral people" on this
list. I would have to say that most of th
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It is pretty much precluded by Roadrunner’s
typical “Terms of Service” in their contract:
“(b) Subscriber will not resell the Service, or any portion
thereof, or otherwise charge others to use the Service, or any portion thereof.
The Service is for personal use only, and Sub
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006, Rick Smith wrote:
OK, and while we're at it, why is "net neutral" good ? I admit
The terminology here is somewhat confusing. The term "net neutral"
seems to be used to describe two unrelated ideologies (both of which
are "bad", IMNSHO). One is the opposite view to wha
He said he had one extra and 3-4 people what might still want one. I am
going to wait for the feedback from those who ordered this time and if
all goes well I might get in on the next order.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The order has already been placed for these units and they should be
arrivin
I'd also argue that the $50 one time cost of a router is not nearly enough
compenasation for a home user to risk their connection security and
performance, or what ever other features are getting forced on them by
accepting the $5 router. Consdiering they are likely paying $50 PER MONTH
for th
People just want it to work. Internet Access
without support is a doomed model before the start, and will never be a win
for anyone. As far as ISP's Internet bandwidth being
stolen
Thats why you do abndwdith management by Weighted
Priority Method. Let them use the pipe as long as it
I am sure Charles and some are you are thinking the same thing I am on the
400mW unit, something just does not add up when manufactures are doing the
same power and the cost of the card is the more then the cost of the full
unit! I have not see this exact board but I have see a RTl8186 design that
What a great idea. Bring on the $5 routers.
Not only am I not having to spend the $50 to give away the routers myself, I can
now sell them at $70 bucks. Many of my wifi users live in the middle
of the woods with no possibility of a roaming user comming by capable to
connect. Will they sell
There is a good opinion I was looking for. That is why I posted this so
someone could tell me whats wrong with it. :)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am sure Charles and some are you are thinking the same thing I am on the
400mW unit, something just does not add up when manufactures are doing the
I'll be darned, that picture shore looks like the Dlink di514/di524
we use in homes? :-)
On 6/28/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I am sure Charles and some are you are thinking the same thing I am on the
400mW unit, something just does not add up when manufactures are doing th
Well... I've already found the sub 100 dollar CPE, I just need to import
them.
It has Atheros A/B/G capability, protected G mode, variable channel width
capability, adjustable ack timing, and assorted otehr features.And yes,
that has a replaceable a/b/g mini-pci card, POE capable and all. O
Just what we need: A 400 mw device, that spews noise across most of the
spectrum, coupled to a 12 db 60 degree wide beam antenna. Talk about
blasting noise big time.
{{ sigh }}
North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net
sales inquirie
I just took a look at my graphs for 500 customers, mostly residential,
and I'm running between 3 and 5 meg 8am to midnight.
Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless
Butch Evans wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2006, Travis Johnson wrote:
5GB per month is about a 28.8 dial-up connection running all month
long.
No kidding...ease of installation at the expense of # of potential clients
per sector. Sometimes there is a reason things cost. Everything, and I
mean EVERYTHING has a price. If you're not paying for it here, you're
paying for it somewhere else.
Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350
I set my cpe at 15dbm power, and use 18 db antennas. I have found this
adequate for up to 18 miles.
What do you need 400 mw for?
North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net
sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net
Fast Internet, NO
Cheap Taiwanese / Chinese / Foreign products also contain other "hidden
costs" -- let's think conspiracy theories here =)
There was a recent thread (on this list?) about Mikrotik RB532 boards
spewing <1 Ghz OOB Noise when being powered w/ -48 VDC PoE (a faulty / cheap
regulator -- wasn't following
- Original Message -
From: "Charles Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'"
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
> Cheap Taiwanese / Chinese / Foreign products also contain other "hidden
> costs" -- let's think conspiracy theories here =)
N
Not that I disagree with your statement about cheap equipment and
getting what you pay for, but the uncertified comment doesn't make any
sense. You don't certify a POE, you certify the radio and antenna, or am
I missing something here?
Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless
Charles Wu wrote:
Cheap
The antenna beamwidth was jsut one of the many palces where they were able
to cut costs. And everylittle penny is what alowed them to reach the $150
point. I wish that hadn't been their goal, and they had included a higher
DB antenna.
If you open them up you will see how low cost the 5580 an
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If it was, then it would be illegal to block
hackers and criminals from using your network as well.
As FON clearly has no concern for Acceptable Use
Policiies, therefore illegal activity, and AUPs are clearly allowable and
enforcable contracts.
Strategically its a great time
Tom DeReggi wrote:
The antenna beamwidth was jsut one of the many palces where they were
able to cut costs. And everylittle penny is what alowed them to reach
the $150 point. I wish that hadn't been their goal, and they had
included a higher DB antenna.
If you open them up you will see how
List,
In a few days I am meeting with county officials to address the
regulations, building codes, and permitting process for WISP's. When I
first approached them over a year ago with the desire to build a
tower-less AP on a hill side (electrical cabinet, solar, sector antenna
- very simp
I think what Charles is getting at is, is it legal for an ISP to place
the 'no open AP' or 'no sharing your connection' restriction on your
service? I have heard some people arguing the case that NN is "I'm
paying for my bandwidth so I can do what I want to with it".
Sam Tetherow
Sandh
Guys
I want to point out we have NOT see this board I do not know for sure what
it is, I thought at first it might be a so called 400mW Senao which is
really about 250mW (they are really pushing the -/+3dBm with this one) but
looking at the images its not any design they have.
Also lets talk abou
Jason,
Here's one place for you to start.
http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&q=wireless+isp&btnG=Search
jack
Jason wrote:
List,
In a few days I am meeting with county officials to address the
regulations, building codes, and permitting process for WISP's. When I
first
I can see the need for a clean high power CPE unit with a narrow beam width
because of NLOS issues but for LOS there is no need, also for PtP setups.
We have a bunch of our new RWC units in the field now which will come in
5Ghz and 2.4Ghz 400mW designs and thus far they are doing very well in
testi
Brian
Want to be clear not saying anything about this board yet just units I have
seen in the past. Bottom line is WISP need to do there own testing as will
we and report things as we find them. I am interested to see what everyone
finds.
Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireles
Sorry for the noise for those of you not familiar with Missouri,
but does one of the Wisps on this list operating in Missouri have
any recommendations for crane services I should contact to
assist in removing a 140` (Rohn SSV) tower located about
75 miles east of St. Louis?
Email me offlist if you
You also need to certify for CE/UL which is in part the power system.
Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
http://www.demarctech.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I can tell you, RUN from Carson Mitchell Crane service,
out of Springfield (But they service in St Louis from time
to time. RUN!!!
Can I emphasize that any more? RUN
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From: "J. Vogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Wednesday, June
Thanks! That kind of feedback is useful also.
John
Blake Bowers wrote:
>
> I can tell you, RUN from Carson Mitchell Crane service,
> out of Springfield (But they service in St Louis from time
> to time. RUN!!!
>
> Can I emphasize that any more? RUN
>
> - Original Message
Title: RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
... and that being said, when we did testing on our radios for CE, tests included "conducted emissions" which meant in one test, emissions from the cat5 cable connecting our radio unit to the POE injector.
A well-known brand, clearly stamped "CE" and "FCC" approva
Well... I don't know where to start... But, I'm not "typical" WISP
deployment, either.
I think it wouild probably be smart to explain the difference between most
WISP's and the Cellular companies and others that might erect towers.
1. You are not a utility.
2. You are not licensed.
3. Your
I understood Charles post regarding net neutrality, that you summarized also
very clearly.
My point is that Net Neutrality conflicts with other laws and regulations as
well.
So voting for some thing for one reason, could also mean voting against it
for another.
For a strong Net NEtrality act,
Correction: I should have said... about 75 miles WEST of St. Louis..
J. Vogel wrote:
> Sorry for the noise for those of you not familiar with Missouri,
> but does one of the Wisps on this list operating in Missouri have
> any recommendations for crane services I should contact to
> assist in remov
Why don't we as an industry organization start putting net neutrality in
clear light. We've got people running around using the "net neutrality"
banner to demand unfiltered P2P use, unlimited data transfers, or that QOS
NOT be implemented.
I think it would be more constructive if we broke this u
Tom,
You have a lot of good points, but so does Charles and others, Why don't you
petition WISPA and some of the other ISP organization to sponsor a Net
Neutrality bakeoff. You can have views from the service provider aspects.
What needs and will come out of it in the end will be the discussion
Ok, so I found a vendor... Someone who is OEM'ing boards and products that
are sold by and reccommended by respected members of this list.
Salesman makes the following claims: for capabilities...
Support for higher power, and a/b/g atheros mini-pci cards - supports 2.4
and 5 ghz bands.
POE, e
I know there is a crane service in Rolla, MO, never used them and don't
know the name offhand. Did you buy that tower in St James?
Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
573.729.9200 - Office
573.729.9203 - Fax
573.247.9980 - Mobile
http://www.accubak.com/
http://www.accubak.net/
Nationwide Intern
Isn't this still at least a $200 CPE?
Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
Ok, so I found a vendor... Someone who is OEM'ing boards and products that
are sold by and reccommended by respected members of this list.
Salesman makes the following claims: for capabilities...
Support for higher power, and a/b/
On 6/27/06, George Rogato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I understand the reasoning behind "why" a lot of operators want to dothis or think it's a good thing. But, in my market, cable and DSLdoesn't charge this way. And I'll have to admit that I like to do video
across the net watching news etc.Unfortu
I'm getting conflicting information from Trango sales reps, their online PDF
datasheet and others who know the product. So... Does the M900 AP come
connectorized? If so, what connector?
My application is about 2 miles NLOS (many trees). Looking to do it with
omni...don't have to go hpol. Who's
Thanks. I have a call in to Gabriele crane service in Rolla,
but they haven't yet returned it. The tower is in St. James.
John
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mark McElvy wrote:
> I know there is a crane service in Rolla, MO, never used them and don't
> know the name offhand. Did you buy that tower in St Jame
On 6/28/06, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If it was, then it would be illegal to block
hackers and criminals from using your network as well.
As FON clearly has no concern for Acceptable Use
Policiies, therefore illegal activity, and AUPs are clearly allowable and
enforcable cont
Mark Nash wrote:
I'm getting conflicting information from Trango sales reps, their online PDF
datasheet and others who know the product. So... Does the M900 AP come
connectorized? If so, what connector?
My application is about 2 miles NLOS (many trees). Looking to do it with
omni...don't have
Is this an all-in-one antenna included, or not?
Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
Ok, so I found a vendor... Someone who is OEM'ing boards and products that
are sold by and reccommended by respected members of this list.
Salesman makes the following claims: for capabilities...
Support for higher power
Dylan Oliver wrote:
> http://en.fon.com/biz/isps_friends.php.
>
> (i) have a FON Social Router or a router that is compatible with the FON
> Software and (ii) have a contract with an ISP that permits the FONero to
> share bandwidth.
And how many of your customers actually read all the fine print
Mark,
The M900AP (every one of them) have your choice of either integrated HPOL
or VPOL antenna's that is software switchable or external antenna fitting.
The external antenna fitting is a RP-SMA. I have several of the PAC Wireless
V Pol antennas that I tried, but the noise in the sticks in the 9
Yes - RP-SMA
John Buwa
Michiana Wireless
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Mark Nash
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 6:40 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Trango M900 AP - Connectorized?
>
> I'm getting conflicting inf
it is what I said it is... a board, atheros based radio, power supply.
For a full cpe you'll need a pigtail, enclosure, and antenna. That makes
it about 140 to 170.
I very much dislike rootennas, and haven't seen any alternatives I like.
North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
personal cor
Wild Blue , good example. Wild Blue is a fringe broadband player.
Cable and DSL set the rules. They are the majority of the market.
The majority of the market does not charge by the bit, but the fringe does.
Guess thats proof enough.
George
Dylan Oliver wrote:
On 6/27/06, *George Rogato* <[EMAI
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