Perhaps a larger problem is having the copper cable run down the leg.
I had a tower with a 10' standoff and the ethernet ports were
routinely fried - with lightning protection. I put a switch on to take
the hits until getting fiber run up the leg whcih cured the issue. At
the same time, I moved
But, can it be repaired cost effectively?
I have blown RouterBoard 532's, 230's, 112's, 133's as well as soekris
and pc engines SBC's, and lucent/orinoco gear.
How about the diversity switch on the UBNT sr2 and sr5 cards?
Butch Evans wrote:
On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 22:24 -0400, Scott
Yes, it's possible to get a generator installed on a roof, but it will
be an expensive project in our area due to the code compliance issues.
However, most commercial buildings will have a preexisting emergency
power system for critical loads installed already. There are strict
requirements
A good reason to mount your antennas on standoffs is so guys like me don't have
to climb around them.
:-)
-B-
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 23:34:13
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA
If you have the latest please send offlist with documentation if you
have it.
Thanks,
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They'll charge a car. Those have some load on them when just sitting
I'd say that those questions would be best asked of the manufacturer you
plan to use.
marlon
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Sent:
The tripplite APS is what we use for this. Small generators are a pain.
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 02:57:23PM -0430, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
You might want something like an inverter (Xantrex for example) which
includes a DC to AC inverter, battery charger, and automatic transfer
switch.
Another issue: when cards are blown, does it weaken the other
componets thereby creating a possible issue shortly after it is put
back into service?
-RickG
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Blair Davisthe...@wmwisp.net wrote:
But, can it be repaired cost effectively?
I have blown RouterBoard
I would stop using something if I had that many failures a month, even
for that many subscribers. You'll have replaced your whole subscriber
base in three years at that rate, even if the customer didn't need the
upgrade. Or half of them in 18 months. The 433 is is probably less
expensive than
I need to mount a 2' dish close to the top of a Rohn 9N tower. The
tower steel is not very large in diameter that high, and I already
have another dish mounted on the pipe coming out the top of the
taper. So, I need to mount it to the side.
The mounts for the dish and radome will accommodate
While I don't disagree, we are in the process of switching CPE's to Moto
SM's. I've too got MT boards out there since I installed them over 3
years ago, and I have 411 boards that are in service since they first
came out. The problem is that they are much more sensitive to
lightning/ESD.
Pipe to pipe mount
This will allow you to mount to the leg and add a larger pipe to mount the dish.
www.sitepro1.com
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From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 13:06:26
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject:
I have a connection to another WISP. Cost? $0. When my main upstream goes
down, MT automatically routes everything through the backup. In exchange, I
provide labor to the other WISP when he encounters things he personally doesn't
want to do. I think it's a great relationship. It'd cost
Patrick,
In general, sounds like good advice.
To clarify our intent, in posting.
From yr 2000-2008, our model was to
1) Have minimum 12 hour run-time of battery for core cell sites.
2) Have contingency plan for hooking up a mobile gasoline powered generator,
in longer lasting
The right type of batteries could give you 15 to 20 years of service.
And adding a pair of solar panels and an MPPT solar charge controller could
increase your backup battery run time from a couple of days to a couple
of weeks. And no volatile fuel issues to deal with either. And their PMI
When I search there for pipe to pipe, I only get hits for ice bridge hardware.
At 01:30 PM 8/3/2009, you wrote:
Pipe to pipe mount
This will allow you to mount to the leg and add a larger pipe to
mount the dish.
www.sitepro1.com
...
I am going to setup a mt 493ah for load balancing, and I see where to setup
check for def gw for internet up. How can I set it for checking something
other than def gw, something past the def gw? I posted on mt forum, but no
response yet..Thanks for any help..
Alan
There are scripts on the mikrotik wiki, it will be a script. That will ping
a device, and if it goes down, you can have it switch default routes, or
disable a interface, you name it. Check the wiki.
Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106
Make a sys script that pings...4.2.2.2
Now make a route that sets the gateway for the primary interface when
the destination is 4.2.2.2
Normally it is best to pick a few hops away in that ISP.
On 8/3/09, Alan Long alan.l...@aerowire.net wrote:
I am going to setup a mt 493ah for load balancing,
On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 04:25 -0400, Blair Davis wrote:
But, can it be repaired cost effectively?
All repairs are $30 for qty over 20. We charge $35 per board for under
20 per order. For a 411, that is probably NOT cost effective. For most
other boards, it is. There is very little that we
On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 12:17 -0400, RickG wrote:
Another issue: when cards are blown, does it weaken the other
componets thereby creating a possible issue shortly after it is put
back into service?
While this is certainly possible, it is very unlikely. It would be more
likely that the discrete
What we found was that
If ISP1 has 100mb, and ISP2 has a 100mb, and ISP1 goes down and routes
backup to ISP2, ISP2's customers now get performance degregation and network
congestions, at the expense of ISP1.
ISP2 looses customers and gains bad will far more expensive than just the
backup
try nelloinc.com
Hutton
Tessco
Mike wrote:
When I search there for pipe to pipe, I only get hits for ice bridge hardware.
At 01:30 PM 8/3/2009, you wrote:
Pipe to pipe mount
This will allow you to mount to the leg and add a larger pipe to
mount the dish.
www.sitepro1.com
Try on sitepro1.com under Hardware then Clamp Sets
Good stuff, decent pricing.
Randy
Scott Reed wrote:
try nelloinc.com
Hutton
Tessco
Mike wrote:
When I search there for pipe to pipe, I only get hits for ice bridge
hardware.
At 01:30 PM 8/3/2009, you wrote:
Pipe to
We also use the triplite APS inverters with good quality Gel cell. Actually,
we got a good 15 years out of the existing CD batteries, because we
inherited them from Teligent days :-)
But new, qty 4- 12V 150AH batteries in series for about 3500watt and decent
run-time is $1400. + $800 for
I think you'll find that to get a propane/NG generator installed on a
commercial building rooftop, you'll be looking at $10k minimum using
even the cheapest Generac air-cooled units. You'll need a roofing
company to come out and modify the roof to provide a mounting surface
for the generator,
Put the word GREEN in that grant app and you might just have a shot!
Not too bad of an idea with those solar panels.
Brian
Christopher Erickson wrote:
The right type of batteries could give you 15 to 20 years of service.
And adding a pair of solar panels and an MPPT solar charge
Patrick,
All excellent points, and reality checks. Thanks for the feedback!
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday,
Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box
lately? We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only on
18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to an
interface we could use.
We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel
I had 2 433ah that were fine for a year until lightning got them. I'm
pretty sure I used more of them elsewhere (no problems with anything else
though).
I would never use a 133 board. I strongly dislike them.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy,
Sure these are not overclocked?
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
Is anybody having problems with R433AH's
Why they don't make them anymore! Lol .. They were good, just NO cpu
behind them, simple as that! Lol.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 7:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Nothing that I have seen. Sure they were not repackaged by your vendor?
And/or like I suggested overclocked.
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Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Every 133 I used had a problem. Be it software, hardware, DOA, lightning,
whatever. Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced,
necessarily, by a newer board.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
When you have eliminated
And don't forget the disposal costs of batteries
when they are no longer functional. Telephone companies have an
extensive HAZMAT documentation and chain of custody requirement for
their switch batteries. Don't think this industry will get away with
not having some requirement like that for
Uhm...exchange them for 15 bucks off a new one...
On 8/3/09, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote:
And don't forget the disposal costs of batteries when they are no longer
functional. Telephone companies have an extensive HAZMAT documentation and
chain of custody requirement for
Title: Thank You,
I'm just saying that if the telephone companies have
a big requirement for tracking batteries, expect that this industry
will get that level of attention soon. With all the stimulus money I
would not be surprised if those requirements aren't already part of the
grant
Agreed
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 4:38 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers
Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the
country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded
cable-it's junk after a storm. We use shielded cable on ALL
installs-customer installs as well. And the
I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a few
weeks ago.
On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the
country, next to Florida) and
We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector after
we crimp it on.
Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z.
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a few
You lost me - drain wire? Soldered onto a plastic rj45?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
On Mon, Aug 3,
Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors.
Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a 100' long
lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board.
Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a good
grounded POE
*Face plant*
Never heard of those before...
I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire? It doesn't
drain water, but is conductive - is this right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Its really not onerous requirements. Basically you need
to dispose of them with a true battery recylcer - often times
the scrap dealer down the road.
As long as they provide documenation that you took them to
someone reputable in the chain, you are fine.
A typical flooded CO battery weighs in
It does no good to run shielded cable if you aren't using shielded
RJ-45 ends as well. ;)
Travis
Microserv
Josh Luthman wrote:
You lost me - drain wire? Soldered onto a plastic rj45?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
"When
Yes, but in most shielded cable we get, the drain wire is just a bare,
silver wire inside the cover like that one.
If you aren't grounding that, you aren't really doing anything but
wasting money on cable... :(
Travis
Josh Luthman wrote:
*Face plant*
Never heard of those before...
I'm
The switch is outside the shield, and if I cold find them, I could do
it myself. but, if someone else is going to do them, I'll be a client
.
Butch Evans wrote:
On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 04:25 -0400, Blair Davis wrote:
But, can it be repaired cost effectively?
All
Mmm so the recommended cable for PTP600, the superior essex bbdge or
something, doesn't have this wire but is shielded. What's the purpose
of the drain wire if the shielding and connectors are what's
grounding?
On 8/3/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
Yes, but in most shielded cable we
Yea... I don't think it's black, just how the picture was taken. It's
usually a silver or gold wire, seperate from the others and not insulated.
Sometimes it's stranded as opposed to being solid. You don't necessarily
have to solder it - but make sure it's got a good electrical connection to
the
The shield does just that - shield, i.e. from interference.
The drain wire does just that - drains errant static buildup, etc.
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
Mmm so the recommended cable for PTP600, the superior essex bbdge or
something, doesn't
Yea, we solder and heat shrink the ends on all our tower gear. Less
problems, but still doesn't stop direct strikes, lol.
Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 05:58:11PM -0400, Patrick Shoemaker wrote:
I just got a quote for qty 8 110AH 12v AGM batteries for a new site:
$1500 including shipping.
Patrick Shoemaker
Vector Data Systems LLC
shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
office: (301) 358-1690 x36
So the superior essex cabling with no drain wire is no good?
On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
The shield does just that - shield, i.e. from interference.
The drain wire does just that - drains errant static buildup, etc.
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman
On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 05:58:11PM -0400, Patrick Shoemaker wrote:
I think you'll find that to get a propane/NG generator installed on a
commercial building rooftop, you'll be looking at $10k minimum using
even the cheapest Generac air-cooled units. You'll need a roofing
company to come out
It's a alu shield on it solder it to the connector or strip of some of the
plastic and put a nice clamp with a ground wire to electrical ground. On one
tower install that is what we did used coax 400 size ground kits. Shielded
connectors as well. Not lost a single Ethernet port there for h 5
On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 23:03 -0400, Blair Davis wrote:
The switch is outside the shield, and if I cold find them, I could do
it myself. but, if someone else is going to do them, I'll be a client
I will look for it.
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Same here, installation is key! We have 532s up for at least 4 years on
one tower. Its 300 foot from a AM 1000watt hotstick.
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Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:31 PM
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