Re: [WISPA] WISP Training
Butch, Since you guide people to training I was wondering if there is a down and dirty course on getting the best out of Microtik radios, including programming, diagnosing problems and optimizing the features. I have found some but they are usually a grand and last for months. I'd like to find something a bit lower and quicker, any ideas? Thanks, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Trade Shows in Spring
Does anyone whether vendor or WISP have a comprehensive list of all the Trade Shows and their run dates relating to the Wireless Industry between February, 2010 and June, 2010. If so please email me OFF-LIST at for...@wispa.org Thank you, Forbes Mercy WISPA - Promotions Committee Chair WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] TAKE THE WISPA TRADE SHOW SURVEY!
Greetings WISP's, The board of WISPA has authorized initial research into holding the first Trade Show of WISPA. We don't want to assume too much for the membership and therefore have put together a survey for members and non-members alike to fill out for guidance as we prepare for a possible show this spring. A subscription list specifically for the Trade Show sub-committee starts next week. If you'd like to participate in any of the Promotions Committee work you can join that list now at: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/Promotion OK here's the Survey Link, we will accept your input from now until Saturday October 31st. The board truly appreciates your participation and hopes this Trade Show will help our industry and your success! http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=wsWAhIYE3XfDaKLojwMeNQ_3d_3d Forbes Mercy WISPA - Promotions Committee Chair for...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WISPA Webinar Announced
This is to WISPA Members, if you're not a member you have time to join! LEAVE YOUR CALENDAR OPEN FOR NOVEMBER 4th at 2PM Eastern, 11AM Pacific and all time zones in between. WISPA Promotions announce the first ever Webinar. This event is our outreach for members only, a personal visit from a product manufacturer relevant to our industry. We are hoping to make this a regular event with different member manufacturers in our industry. It is a pure question/answer session. Several top administrators and highly-placed technical staff from a manufacturer will be available to answer questions about any topic from specifications to distribution/inventory control or future releases. The first session will be with Ubiquity, the fast growing manufacturer of many popular radios. This idea came from a long thread of member emails that essentially were 'guessing' about what these radios could or could not do. We consider these answers 'from the horse's mouth', and a rare chance to talk to someone knowledgeable. Again this is a session for paid members only as a service of WISPA as we add value to your membership. The personnel attending from Ubiquity are: Mike Ford - Technical Support and Applications Manager Ben Moore - VP Bus. Dev. We invite other manufacturers to email our Promotions Committee so we may make this exclusive feature available on an ongoing basis. Simply email for...@wispa.org and we can put together a schedule for these sessions. These are not sales presentations and video content is at the option of the manufacturer. The session will run 30-45 minutes for this first one. As it is our trial edition many of the rules and procedures for future sessions will be based on how this session runs. The exact details of how to access, and the moderated rules for this forum will be released Monday, November 2nd. This Webinar is for you to learn more about the Vendors and their equipment, we hope you attend and thank you for being a member of WISPA! Forbes Mercy WISPA Promotions Committee Chair WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey
REMINDER TO PROVIDE INPUT WISPA is researching the possibility of putting on a Trade Show this spring. We put up a survey last week for you to answer basic questions as to what you would like to see in this show. As of Tuesday we had about 40 responses, far below the 300+ members and many more non-members who subscribe to this list. We are leaving the survey up until Friday evening so members have seven days to fill out this brief survey. If you have not filled out the survey please go to: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=wsWAhIYE3XfDaKLojwMeNQ_3d_3d Also a list serve has been set up specifically for the organization of the trade show, you can subscribe to this list by going to: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow One more reminder on Friday then your chance for helping us plan this is done. Thanks for your time. Forbes Mercy WISPA - Promotions Committee Chair winmail.dat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey
Thanks for the comment but you are incorrect, there is a field for your comments on many of the questions, specifically the one you talked about. I took the survey, however it did not allow me to add in other comments. So: The biggest problem I have with most of these Trade shows is that its a bunch of sales/marketing guys who have no actual idea how the product works and cannot answer in depth technical questions. I can get all of the sales and marketing information that they present on the website or from talking to my usual vendors. What I want is a Product Engineering Show where engineers come and demonstrate their products and I can see actual comparisons of performance, ask detailed questions, etc. For example: I want to have talks from engineers who can answer questions. I want to have talks by real operators on how they implement OSPF to redistribute BGP across their networks. I want to hear talks from people that combine Motorola Canopy, Ubiquiti, Ligowave, Mikrotik, and Netsys to create innovative solutions for providing data coverage. All should be able to show examples. Just my 2 cents... - Matt Forbes Mercy wrote: REMINDER TO PROVIDE INPUT WISPA is researching the possibility of putting on a Trade Show this spring. We put up a survey last week for you to answer basic questions as to what you would like to see in this show. As of Tuesday we had about 40 responses, far below the 300+ members and many more non-members who subscribe to this list. We are leaving the survey up until Friday evening so members have seven days to fill out this brief survey. If you have not filled out the survey please go to: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=wsWAhIYE3XfDaKLojwMeNQ_3d_3d Also a list serve has been set up specifically for the organization of the trade show, you can subscribe to this list by going to: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow One more reminder on Friday then your chance for helping us plan this is done. Thanks for your time. Forbes Mercy WISPA - Promotions Committee Chair WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ winmail.dat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] LAST CHANCE TO VOTE
Thank you so much for doubling the number of people who have filled out the very short survey about a possible upcoming Trade Show by WISPA. I'm extending the deadline one day to the 31st until 5PM PT so we may provide the maximum opportunity for you to tell us what you would like to see in a trade show. Please go to: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=wsWAhIYE3XfDaKLojwMeNQ_3d_3d Also a list serve has been set up specifically for the organization of the trade show, you can subscribe to this list by going to: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow Thanks for your time. Forbes Mercy WISPA - Promotions Committee Chair winmail.dat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] lots o' lag on Microtik
I recently put up an 11km link of Microtik using Aetheros AR5413 chips on 433AH boards running WDS and NStream. Their connection is -69 and 54MB each way. On the Master side pings average 2-10ms, on the far side its 20-40ms. We're running 6-9MBps throughput on average. During peak usage the far side of the link starts lagging at 40-100ms. What can I do to improve this? Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Orinoco 4000 help request
I have a customer that wants to talk to someone who has set up an Orinco 4000m series mesh radios for their warehouse. If you have please hit me off-list at forbes.me...@wabroadband.com thanks winmail.dat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2
I heard the boat was held up for some reason in Somalia, AYE MATEY :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 2:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 Where from? Or was this a case of Nick not being able to detect internet sarcasm. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 4:10 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 The boat has arrived..! Shesh I was able to order so much that now I have to find a way to hide it from the wife. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Data Technology Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 I think they need a bigger boat!! Robert West wrote: Yeah, but I call them by a different name, Microtik411RS2CardPacGridOutdoorEnclosure. It's gotten to the point that my substitute for the NS2 has actually become in use more than what it has been substituted for. *sigh* Word has it they're on the boat. Always on the boat. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 Need NS2's anyone have them? Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:47 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Thank You for Your Service! I know that many WISPs are Veterans. I think the business of being a WISP sort of attracts the vets. It is the business of going where no one has gone before, making it work and storming the path. I want to say, Thank you for your Service and it was an honor to serve! To all you USMC vets, Semper Fi! God bless, Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.comhttp://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.comhttp://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB File: ATT1.c OLE Object: Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming
[WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house. My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the same as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone line? Most of our customers have cell phone only and their internal wiring is virtually unused. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 5.6 GHZ?
My new MIMO radios have 5.6 GHZ on them, I don't recall that frequency being available in the US. Is it? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Rocket range
We want to put up an M Rocket in 5gig frequency range and have four customers between 6-8 miles. Will our 17dbi 120 degree antenna reach them? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rocket range
17dbi 120 degree to 5M Nano -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Jayson Baker Sent: Tue 12/8/2009 6:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket range Depends on what the customer will be using. NanoM? BulletM? What kind of antenna? As a rule, should be fine. Rocket M - Nano M should work at that range decent. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: We want to put up an M Rocket in 5gig frequency range and have four customers between 6-8 miles. Will our 17dbi 120 degree antenna reach them? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.98/2552 - Release Date: 12/08/09 07:34:00 winmail.dat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] High Pings for an AP?
Yesterday we installed a RocketM5 radio on a 120 degree antenna, since it's on a tower that shares with a powerful FM radio station we used insulated Cat5. Today the pings are terrible on that AP while it's brother AP's (2.4) and the backhauls are pinging 1-4ms, it averages 40-50ms and the closest I can get to logged in is the password screen. My assumption is the Cat 5, anybody else have any ideas? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
We have a tower with a single radio operating on it. We were using a Microtik 133 board with a single Prizim chipset in it. One day it stopped responding to requests through the network using Winbox. No customers were down so we assumed it was running bandwidth (too much snow to travel up there). One night about 7 PM we started getting tower down calls, of course we hadn't been able to ping or get into it for weeks so we had no idea. Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower customers associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping that IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC would start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, even when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh. OK we put the 433AH back in service and again everything worked great. I'm stumped, we isolated the switch, Cat 5, and IP Address but those two single cards won't allow us to log in over using Winbox either by IP or by MAC while it allows it locally. *banging head against the wall. Any ideas? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
Hi Forbes A few questions/comments: : How long is the ethernet run? About 50 feet We had a MTK client radio on an RB113 go irratic at times. We brought the 133 back into the office and had no problem accessing it with short length Cat 5 and the wireless worked great, same for the new 433A board. So this leaves us with the 433AH and one card working at the 50 foot length radio mount but not the 133 or 433a which work perfectly in the office. You can't upload into the MTK when using Winbox with the MAC address, only IPs. How about duplex/speed are they both matched? You might want to crank it to 10M/FULL and see if that helps. We can try this. Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness * Forbes Mercy wrote, On 1/20/2009 7:00 PM: snip Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower customers associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping that IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC would start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, even when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh. OK we put the 433AH back in service and again everything worked great. I'm stumped, we isolated the switch, Cat 5, and IP Address but those two single cards won't allow us to log in over using Winbox either by IP or by MAC while it allows it locally. *banging head against the wall. Any ideas? Hi Forbes A few questions/comments: : How long is the ethernet run? We had a MTK client radio on an RB113 go irratic at times. You can't upload into the MTK when using Winbox with the MAC address, only IPs. How about duplex/speed are they both matched? You might want to crank it to 10M/FULL and see if that helps. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1905 - Release Date: 1/20/2009 2:34 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
Oops let me correct myself I've been saying 433a, it's actually a 411a. The board that is working is the 433ah. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness * Forbes Mercy wrote, On 1/20/2009 7:00 PM: snip Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower customers associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping that IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC would start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, even when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh. OK we put the 433AH back in service and again everything worked great. I'm stumped, we isolated the switch, Cat 5, and IP Address but those two single cards won't allow us to log in over using Winbox either by IP or by MAC while it allows it locally. *banging head against the wall. Any ideas? Hi Forbes A few questions/comments: : How long is the ethernet run? We had a MTK client radio on an RB113 go irratic at times. You can't upload into the MTK when using Winbox with the MAC address, only IPs. How about duplex/speed are they both matched? You might want to crank it to 10M/FULL and see if that helps. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1905 - Release Date: 1/20/2009 2:34 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance
I was informed the Chubb is getting out of the ISP business so that pretty much leaves Hartford so I'm trying to get on with them. I used Sue Larson at United but she must be busy because her responses are usually a week apart and only after I ask her if she has any more questions. Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella. On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote: My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of Satan -hehehehe) When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can afford. It has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance and it has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types of insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to file a claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that (with hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it will appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends abruptly :-) We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] Insurance What do you guys have for insurance policies? I am working with my Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't buy unnecessary policies. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 900 CPE
I love the Nano's for 2.4 but they don't come in 900MHZ, I have a small town that loves trees and while I service most of them with 2.4 we have to turn a lot of them down for trees. I have a third slot in my Microtik so I thought I'd drop in a 900 AP chip and put up an Omni and then I need fairly inexpensive CPE. Any ideas? Thanks, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. forbes.me...@wabroadband.com www.wabroadband.com Fax 509-853-0856 |Ofc 509-853-0858 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella. On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote: My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of Satan -hehehehe) When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can afford. It has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance and it has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types of insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to file a claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that (with hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it will appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends abruptly :-) We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] Insurance What do you guys have for insurance policies? I am working with my Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't buy unnecessary policies. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance
I was told by United that they were no longer taking new clients and considering dropping the ISP package side, that's it. I'll hold out a little longer to see what Rick comes up with. Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance I have not heard anything from Chubb indicating this. Are they not taking new customers or getting rid of existing ones also? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance I was informed the Chubb is getting out of the ISP business so that pretty much leaves Hartford so I'm trying to get on with them. I used Sue Larson at United but she must be busy because her responses are usually a week apart and only after I ask her if she has any more questions. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1956 - Release Date: 02/16/09 18:31:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Sarcasm Alert] Yippee! Sprint owns the NTIA
Here is the letter I am sending to my congressional delegation and the Commerce Department: 18 February 2009 RE: Broadband Stimulus Package This stimulus package is becoming the proverbial 'pack of feeding wolves' led by huge corporate lobbyists. The loudest of this 'hands out' group are the worst run companies. I just read that President Obama is appointing Sprint-Nextel executive, Anna Gomez, to serve as deputy director of the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA), which will handle as much as $6.65 billion in new stimulus wireless and broadband grants that could potentially be given to Sprint among other large urban providers. If we weren't fearful of the actual providers of rural broadband getting any of the grants before we are now. Sprint and Clearwire are two of the worst companies at deficit spending in our industry, with the worst results. Why is the President putting people with vested interests and the worst spending resume in this influential position? Didn't he campaign on not putting lobbyists and special interests in positions of power? We don't need industry insiders; we need someone who has the ability to tell right from wrong without bias. So far the Broadband funds are slated mostly for ATT who in 100 years hasn't expanded to rural areas while being heavily funded by the Universal Service Fund and many other forms of government assistance. On the other hand, with zero government aid, my company has covered many areas of our county with High Speed Internet using our own funds as a Wireless ISP. The big Telco's will use this money only in high density areas, temporarily undercut pricing with more deficit spending to kill competition, and ultimately no rural expansion all with our tax money, same old tune. I had really hoped the stimulus package was a legitimate opportunity for rural Broadband expansion, and yes, I had hoped for some of those funds, as we are the only Internet Company interested in the low density areas of Yakima County. Now it looks like just another pork repayment to donors. Will we ever be able to count on government to be trusted to deliver what they promise, certainly not from the actions we are witnessing with this overt appointment of a competitor? If you need a solution instead of a complaint here it is, the USDA Rural Grant program has been successful, well guarded against fraud, and distributed to true providers. Take the funds from NTIA and give it to USDA, then we are all on a fair competitive basis for grants. NTIA is a consortium of urban providers; doesn't that conflict with the rural Broadband expansion goal of this legislation? Thank you, Forbes Mercy, 3201 W. Nob Hill Blvd. Yakima, WA 98902-4960 President - Washington Broadband, Inc. forbes.me...@wabroadband.com www.wabroadband.com Ofc 509-853-0858 Cell 509-307- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:21 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Sarcasm Alert] Yippee! Sprint owns the NTIA I think that everyone that has a rep on the telecom subcommittee of Commerce committee should contact them to voice concern. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Sarcasm Alert] Yippee! Sprint owns the NTIA I was going to suggest that clear wire would be the biggest winner in this stimulus package. But I didn't want to throw a wet towel at anyone. We still have to take a shot at it and get something. John Scrivner wrote: Does anyone know the stock symbol for the company that makes KY Jelly? I think that is where I will be moving my portfolio to. I'll just go ahead now and predict that Sprint / Clearwire end up with a minimum of $3B, likely more. TODAY'S SPOTLIGHT... Former Sprint exec tapped as NTIA deputy director The Obama administration has named a former Sprint Nextel executive, Anna Gomez, to serve as deputy director of the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA), which will handle as much as $6.65 billion in new stimulus wireless and broadband grants that will be available to Sprint and its competitors. Gomez, former vice president of government affairs with Sprint, is currently acting director of NTIA, which influences the president's telecom policy within the Commerce Department. NTIA spokesman Bart Forbes said in an interview with the Wall Street Journal that Gomez understands that the public has every right to be concerned about her role in a potential broadband grant program, because of her history with Sprint. She is discussing this with the ethics office and will look to remove herself from the decision-making process for grant applications where appropriate, he said
[WISPA] Mounting Standoffs
We need some Mounting Standoffs (those little spacers that go on Microtik boards. We have mostly 411, 433 and 133 boards and while I see Titan Wireless has them for a buck apiece we also found something similar at Mouser Electronics for .53 cents each. Mouser isn't explicit as to which boards they can be mounted on, any ideas from you folks? Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual-band Sector Antennas/Multiple Input Sector Antennas
John, If you really like the 340 cards I'll give you a great price on about two dozen of them that I have pulled after replacing them with newer equipment. Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. forbes.me...@wabroadband.com www.wabroadband.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual-band Sector Antennas/Multiple Input Sector Antennas I understand that Cisco is expensive, but it does work. I have clients with Cisco Aironet 340's installed that are 7+ years old. Is it the national pastime to beat on Cisco? As for antennas, Superpass makes some that might work well for this project http://www.superpass.com/SP-MIMO-D1J1.html http://www.superpass.com/MIMO-24.html http://www.superpass.com/MIMO-5.html John 3-dB Networks wrote: Right... N relies on MIMO... so antenna diversity is important. In an indoor application this AP would have six small Omni antennas on it... just inches apart from each other. I don't think the exact placement of the antennas is important, as long as the patterns overlap. I've never seen anything specifying the distances of antennas... but if someone knows that would be great. Either way, a dual-band antenna would cut it from six sectors to three... and not lose any of the benefits. Might not be cost effective, but I want to explore that. I'd also hope that there would be an antenna out there that already has the antenna diversity setup inside the antenna by having three elements pointing the correct directions. I wouldn't think noise would be that big of an issue at the antenna since they will all be broadcasting on the same frequency anyways. As for what he is trying to accomplish... I wish I knew. His application does not require 802.11n speeds, it could require the MIMO near and non-los properties... I think he wants 802.11n because it's the next thing. Just like I don't think he should be using Cisco... but no IT guy has ever been fired for deploying Cisco right :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual-band Sector Antennas/Multiple Input Sector Antennas I think the whole idea behind N is antenna diversity Daniel. Using less antennas means he'll get little or no benefit from the system. Might as well just run with a standard b/g system. I think antenna placement will also be critical for n. I could be totally wrong here, but my guess is that there are specific distances between antennas that are part of the magic of n. What's he hoping to accomplish? Better NLOS, better nLOS, better speed? laters, marlon - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:43 AM Subject: [WISPA] Dual-band Sector Antennas/Multiple Input Sector Antennas I'm helping someone design an antenna system to utilize the MIMO properties in 802.11n outdoors. The Cisco box he wants to connect to has three 5GHz and three 2.4GHz outputs. I'd rather avoid deploying six sector antennas (only need to cover about 120 degrees. so I figured three 90degree sectors ought to do it) so would like recommendations on : - Good dual-band 2.4GHz/5GHz antenna - Good Sector antenna that has multiple inputs on the same band, same polarity (not sure if such a beast exists, but doesn't hurt asking!). V-pol is preferred, as the clients will have V-pol omnis. Any help is really appreciated. Thanks! Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] ISP-Lists Shutting Down/ISPCON also
No kidding? Talk about a transition. You look at these huge corporations like auto and others who are so entrenched they could never be as nimble as our industry. I personally know what it's like to go from 16,000 dial up to under 1000 high speed customers in four short years. It is a shame though, I was with ISPCON group from near our beginning in 1994, and totally echo wishing that crew the best. They put on great shows, tried their best to keep up with the pulse of the ISP Industry, and were just nice people. It's WISPA's day now but we always owe a little credit to our predecessors for the hardest part of the 90's was teaching the first users how to use a computer even before selling them the Internet. Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] ISP-Lists Shutting Down/ISPCON also Hi All, Just saw a note from Jeff Goldman that at the end of March the ISP Lists are going away. Also, got a note from Alex that they were going to shut down ISPCON. Can't believe I've been following a number of their lists for over 8 years, and going to ISPCONs for probably 5 years. Thanks Alex and Jeff for all your efforts over the years! Jeff Jeff Broadwick Sales Manager, ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) +1 574-935-8488 (Fax) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1971 - Release Date: 02/26/09 14:51:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radio Station
Mike, We have a low power FM station on one of our towers and a high power FM on another. The low power station is no problem but we have constant problems on the tower with the high power station. We've lowered our antennas to about the bottom 40 feet of the antenna (Its on a hill). As for trade, they love to trade bandwidth for monitoring their system, TV stations trade advertising time for bandwidth to their tower cams. Security cameras are ok too. Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 9:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Radio Station I'm talking to a company that has a few radio stations. I know AM towers can be a PITA, so I'd like to avoid those. What sort of services could I provide to the station? I think I've heard on here a backup link between the studio and the tower. I've also heard of people monitoring tower lights over IP. Where do I look for products to do this kind of stuff? I suppose for the lights I could just monitor the amp usage on the circuit that powers the lights. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1971 - Release Date: 02/25/09 06:40:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] The good college try
The modern day WISP that is smaller has to run more efficiently, I lost my system admin in the last budget cut. He helps from his new job but the network is pretty much up to me, a former ISP owner and not the most technically inclined as I should be. Obviously I have more knowledge than the average bear but reading code, design specs or engineering can sometimes be a bit much, that's why I have the savings from a full time admin to hire people who can guide me. My feeling is Marlon is pretty much in the same boat. While some in WISPA have thousands of customers in more urban/suburban environments we are all rural. Speaking only for myself I'm frequently in over my head, that's why I belong to this group, I'm a much better businessman than tech but I learn easily when I have interest in a topic. We try not to look dumb when we ask for help and try to compensate for the help with volunteering for projects, paying for consulting or just a big thanks. Some on here may think non-geeks don't belong but we're all in this for the same reason, I personally left the Fire Service to learn and build this business, Maybe I can't engineer a backhaul but I can sure do CPR if you need it, done it over 200 times. Just show a little patience and if you don't want to educate the ignorant that's your right but we sure appreciate it when you can help and I for one promise to not ask for too much at once or act like our lovely customers who can't find the start button. Thanks for what you do help, I appreciate it! Forbes From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Marlon, Honestly, based on the questions you are asking, I think you may be in over your head on this project. You may want to seek some help from someone that has actually done this type of work and knows what they are doing. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Thanks. Do you think we need the unlicensed for each hop if the entire network is build in a circle? marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Licensed 18ghz links with 5.8ghz backup links for each hop. Figure $15,000 per link for everything. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to 20 miles. Some links may be less, but I'm not counting on that. I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal internet traffic. I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a ring. I can load share across the ring as long as speeds never drop below 100megs. I'll want things to be automatically self healing if there is a loss of connectivity in any direction. What would you guys use/suggest? I'd love to go licensed (but no 6 gig due to antenna sizes) but unlicensed may be OK due to the failover capabilities. We have to worry about snow, fog and, worst of all, dust storms. What gear would you use? How would you set this up? I'm in the pricing stage so off list quotes etc. are welcome. Pall park numbers are fine at this time, as long as they tend to run high vs. low, I'd rather over estimate the costs. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] XR3 / StarOS / Pac Wireless
Mark, Yes we've seen this, we use NS2's on a variety of boards. We replaced the board, changed the connections and relocated the antenna. Weather doesn't seem to affect it and the calls certainly increase as the noise floor is approached in the -87's to -90's. We put in an Engeinus CB3 and problem went away. Three boards, two chips and no go except another brand. Never really found an answer except changing brands of antenna's helped. I'm sure it's interference related but its hard to put my finger on it. Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] XR3 / StarOS / Pac Wireless We've seen a drop in signal on all of our connections off of one AP. In the beginning, connections were at -70(ish) for all CPEs. Now they're at -85(ish) and not really usable. We've replaced several boards radio cards ($250 a pop for one of these radios), both at the AP and at the client (both AP clients are Valemount WAR4's). Using Pac Wireless 3.5 grids on clients Pac Wireless 3.5 VPol sector at the AP. Upon advice from Ubiquiti, we've grounded every point that could be grounded (including antenna and card). We've sent 5 of the radios back to Ubiquiti for testing to see if there's a problem with them. I'm wondering if any of you have seen the same things??? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.7/1982 - Release Date: 03/03/09 16:09:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular andWimax
Scriv, You did an excellent write-up and acknowledges one very important factor, change is difficult. We have all built strong systems and telling a customer we are fixed system carries a lot less responsibility than to infer that they can do the 4.9 standard of 150MPH. I admit I'd love to take the stimulus money out for a mobile spin. Much like my foray into dial-up that was quite successful I saw the death and had no answer at our level. I felt WISP's would also fall victim to the Nationals passing us in technology faster than we could deploy and secure. Not so, technology is outpacing National investment in networks so perhaps we have a longer life than our previous business model. There are only two fears, Lack of knowledge on mobile deployment and the problem of wattage or lack thereof and, cost of CPE. We have CPE on fixed systems down to $70, so I guess fear is the unknown, nothing new there. Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 5:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular andWimax Sadly WISPs have dragged their feet in development of true mobility and roaming. These features are the true differentiators of wireless broadband over DSL or DOCSIS. The cellular industry is more quickly adapting to the need to move to an IP centric platform for their mobile voice/data systems than we are in recognizing the compelling desire of everyone to have everything available to them everywhere with mobility. Land lines are going away and wireless MOBILE phones are increasing in quantity. WISPs may well lose out in the end if they do not band together to form interoperability standards for mobile IP, VoIP, roaming, etc. Last I checked there is not a single WISPA member network out there which is fully mobile with integrated roaming with another operator. Until WISPs do this they are doomed to a future of a decreasing position in the future of broadband industry market share. I predict that total customer counts served via traditional WISPs will max within 18 months and then down turn if we do not address the issues of roaming and mobility. If any of you have built a truly good mobility roaming gateway solution which allows for WISPs to tie their networks together and offer mobility then I welcome some feedback on the subject. What about truly mobile and roaming capable voice services over IP? Anyone out there ever build the equivalent of the ASN gateway for our networks? I am ready to start negotiating connection to this and right now we do not even have access to anything to connect to. Scriv On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Scott Parsons sc...@e-zy.net wrote: This was very interesting: http://www.muniwireless.com/2009/02/03/muni-wifi-outperforms-cellular-an d-wi max/ Way to go WISPS! Scott WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Wireless Ethernet
I have a customer who wants to use our towers to relay a signal between two sites so he can have a T1 equivalent. He said Wireless T1's are more expensive than a 1-10 MB Wireless Ethernet. They offered to have us buy it then charge them on it. Now I have to research this kind of product, can anyone be of assistance on this issue? Thanks, Forbes Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Ethernet
Data only -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Ethernet Wireless T1... like channelized voice T1s? or data? ryan On Mar 25, 2009, at 3:39 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have a customer who wants to use our towers to relay a signal between two sites so he can have a T1 equivalent. He said Wireless T1's are more expensive than a 1-10 MB Wireless Ethernet. They offered to have us buy it then charge them on it. Now I have to research this kind of product, can anyone be of assistance on this issue? Thanks, Forbes Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.28/2022 - Release Date: 03/25/09 07:16:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Ethernet
Rick, You are singing my song here, it is a fruit company, a big one, and they have T1's over foreign exchange carriers. I think what they really want is an exclusive network free of my other Internet traffic and perhaps a Canopy would work but I'd like to think they want something faster. They do know the difference between a T1 and Ethernet I think they just want private. Thanks, Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Kunze Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Ethernet If they want true T-1 signaling on it, I believe the Canopy line includes such a device. I remember seeing it somewhere. If they just want connectivity for their LANs, put up a Canopy backhaul and be done with it. Or just bridge them into your network and VLAN it. Most people think T-1 is some exotic super pipe. They don't realize it's decades old technology and only 1.54meg. I think that T-1 signaling box was around a grand, maybe $1200. I had a call from one of the big name brand fruit companies around here. They have a T-1 to a private LAN in another city at their main warehouse. They were looking for options. I told them, Well, I can sell you a T-1 for $595/mo and it's 1.54meg, or I can sell you our SME wireless service for $149/mo where you'll see 4 to 6 meg. Do the math. They usually opt for option B. Rk On 3/25/2009 3:39 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have a customer who wants to use our towers to relay a signal between two sites so he can have a T1 equivalent. He said Wireless T1's are more expensive than a 1-10 MB Wireless Ethernet. They offered to have us buy it then charge them on it. Now I have to research this kind of product, can anyone be of assistance on this issue? Thanks, Forbes Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.28/2022 - Release Date: 03/25/09 07:16:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Malicious damage to a tower
Two solar panels were stolen from one of my towers two years ago and the police only wanted to take a report, when I reminded them that this was a public communications facility and thereby a federal offense, they said I don't think the Internet is a public broadcast facility but 'drove by' anyway. Never got a good answer and was never contacted by feds so my guess is no, but its just a guess. Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of NGL Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 5:38 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Malicious damage to a tower Is malicious damage to a tower a federal offense if I have government agencies using my service to send and receive email and data? Thanx NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.31/2028 - Release Date: 03/28/09 07:16:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Waverider EUMs for sale
What brand of AP's can a 900 MHZ EUM connect to? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: Mike Scrivner Subject: [WISPA] Waverider EUMs for sale We have 30 surplus used Waverider 900 MHz EUMs and power supplies for sale. These units were all fully functional when removed from service. Guaranteed no DOA.. Asking $100 each or best offer. We will split these up if you do not want all 30 of them. Contact m...@mvn.net offlist to arrange for purchase. We will accept VISA or Paypal. Scriv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.32/2030 - Release Date: 04/07/09 06:41:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Thanking Marlon and multipath experience
I admit that most of you can dance around me in the field of RF. I'm more of an installer and management type. Today I had a Nano CPE with a -48 dbi signal which, as you know, is amazing; it should be it was a block away from the tower. The problem is the customer had long outages and erratic service. Aiming away from the tower kept the great connection but still crappy pings. Marlon suggested Multipath as a possibility and advised to turn the radio to B only and reduce the power on the radio. I had heard of Multipath but never experienced it. We changed both settings and while the signal stayed at -48dbi the time-outs and erratic pings went away. 90% of our system is two or more miles from towers, so we never had this problem before. This particular town is the only place where the towers are on buildings all within ½ mile of nearly everyone It answered a lot of problems for others in town we have been battling supposed interference with and I just wanted to publically thank Marlon for exposing me to a side of RF I hadn't even thought of. This is what makes WISPA worth it to me. Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1956 - Release Date: 02/16/09 18:31:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE
I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90 for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ. Just curious as to why? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE
I emailed Ubiquity about that very subject, here was their response: Hello, Not at this time as there are size limitations do to the size of 900Mhz antennas. Thanks, _ Michael Ford Ubiquiti Support Team -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 12:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE Moto is about the same for each band though 900 is a bit more :/ On 6/5/09, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: I agree, I think we are all waiting for UBNT to crush the pricing as they have done in 2.4 5.8. ryan Forbes Mercy wrote: I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90 for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ. Just curious as to why? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.53/2156 - Release Date: 06/05/09 06:24:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Finding Available Licensed Frequencies
Is there a tool or resource to find out if certain frequencies are available or who owns them to lease them? I'm particularly looking for 2.5 in my area. Thanks, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Nano's anyone?
We go through about 7 Nano 2.4's a week. Out of the blue and with no advance notice our vendor says oh were out until the end of the month. Then I see my two other back-up vendors are also out, Thanks Ubiquity. Does anyone have a source of these so I can get some stock in? I know there are other similar radios out there but I hate cross branding my system. Thanks, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. forbes.me...@wabroadband.com www.wabroadband.com Ofc 509-853-0858 IFax 509-853-0856 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Defective Microtik
Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box lately? We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only on 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to an interface we could use. We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few hours. We updated the firmware but with no positive result. My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly and wearing on my staff. We're going back right now to reinstall the old 133 board. Any others having these problems? Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.com winmail.dat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Wow what an amazing series of responses! As frustrating and how ever much gray hair I achieved this weekend is now minimized by how much help I got on this issue, thank you so much, anytime I need validation as to why this is a great organization, this is the answer right here. OK the quick and dirty: I now realize from your responses that maybe I can get away with three cards on one board but not splitting 120 customers, too much load to go with too much RF, too much power demand, in other words too many places to fail. I'll pull off one sector XR2 and leave one SR2 and one XR2. I hope I can put both in the same box without the RF issue if I separate them enough (those 10X10 boxes). I'm waiting for the new AirMax line before I split out one more sector for this busy tower. I've never heard of the export, especially the auto-export of the configuration. I want to get to know this because I can't think of the countless hours I've wasted this summer re-entering MAC/customer info as we've updated almost our entire network to XR2 chips this year. I also upgraded nearly every tower to 18v POE's and am about to try a 12v to 18v boost for my solar site, it makes me a little worried about power demands but much like most of our industry I'll try it, test it, and hope it works. As for the other suggestions I have tested for traffic, put in the typical firewalls for udp and esp floods, site checked for interference and made sure my antennas were properly spaced. It worked great until I put in the XR2's on the same radios which is why I upgraded the board when the 133 couldn't keep up, I assumed the 433ah would, guess I was wrong. Again I appreciate all the help you gave me, I needed this fresh persepective after a weekend of getting so frustrated I probably wouldn't have seen the most obvious thing. Thanks, Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Dennis Burgess Sent: Mon 8/24/2009 8:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Only way to go. Not only does it decrease the load on each board, but it also prevents RF issues with high power radios in a single box. All of our towers have individual 411Ahs on individual sectors with individual radio cards. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik 2nd Idea. What is the possibility if splitting the sectors out to individual RB411AH boards? Less of a single point of failure for the whole tower. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik - now Safety First
I have to agree here, I've done more tower climbs alone than I should. Every time I do I'm filled with the feeling that if I fall no one will know until someone comes looking at my remote tower site the next day or so. We all look at OSHA sometimes and think of them as more revenue officers than safety officers. Coming from the Fire Service I think of the countless lives of Firefighters that were saved once OSHA found us. Sure they seem overly picky and arbitrary but when I hang from my bucket truck without a harness or climb a tower alone I can't help but think they were written after so many people lost their lives. This job isn't worth my life. Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik You should have someone with you on site when you climb towers. Even if you are self employed and not subject to OSHA rules, it's still a good idea. Most of the tower deaths or falls I read about very likely could have been prevented or lessened with even very modest safety guidelines. Futhermore, if you become some statistic used to calculate insurance rates as a result of unsafe climbing, it will tend make all of our workers comp insurance costs increase collectively. That person on the ground should have a laptop to do the configuring/testing. They can also keep others away from the tower to protect them from falling tools, read off signals while aligning antennas, answer your phone calls, destroy wasp nests, and all the other things you don't want to do. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:42:35AM -0500, Data Technology wrote: Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting
Re: [WISPA] customer bandwidth ratio
In Central Washington all I can get is cable at $70/meg with no loop or a DS3 reseller at $48/meg and $40/meg transport, argh! Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 10:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] customer bandwidth ratio I can transport from the Westin in Seattle for $3k per month. But that's still nearly twice what we're paying out today. grin marlon - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] customer bandwidth ratio Marlon, if you are near a Cogent center, we can do around $6 bucks a meg, just transport then . FYI. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 12:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] customer bandwidth ratio We have 20, from one provider. At least we've finally gotten them down to $100 per meg (plus transport). marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] customer bandwidth ratio So based on those graphs, you need 25-30Mbps of available bandwidth (and it should be redundant, from two different carriers). :) Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: OK, we have the graphs opened up so you guys can see them. http://64.146.146.1:81/ That's about 300 wireless and 70 ftth plus web and email servers. laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2398 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS
Anyone knows of a remote switch unit with a UPS, about 500 watt would be adequate? Plenty of stand alone units but merged would be nice. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Shopping for the 18-19 dbi rootenna
I need dependable suppliers of Rotennas that I can get every week, we order about 40-50 a month our average price paid is $40 and the best ones for us are where they have a cat 5 connector and pre-designed for the entire Engenius CB3 bridges with case not removed. We buy them now but the supplier is not dependable on a weekly basis. Thank you, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: 11/16/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] illegal CPE installs
Only one warning in that advice. If the FCC takes any interest which they ususally don't (think CB) the first one they will require testing on is you. We had a person running 40 watts and a quick call around found that the FCC likes to make sure the complaintant is also above board. We've been beseiged with competitors who take the philosophy that causing us interference is their business model. I don't like them as much as any of you but we just had a person in Spokane, WA who praised the police, whom they called, for catching a burglar who was in their house. This was said as they were being hauled off to jail for a pot growing operation in the house that was being burglarized. They called Police then they went to jail. Just remember the law is looking for all abusers not just the one you want them to take out. Forbes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Mon 11/27/2006 9:23 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: Subject: Re: [WISPA] illegal CPE installs Me? I'd make a few calls about it. First to them. It's amazing how often management doesn't know the rules. If that won't fix it, I'd call Motorola. If that doesn't work, I'd call the FCC. The last thing this industry needs is people screwing with the one thing that the FCC has been a stickler on. EIRP is a sacred stone. Mess with it and someone at the commission will be getting pissed. Make DAMN sure you know what they are doing and with what frequencies first though. Nothing worse than making that kind of false accusation. And sometimes having someone else call the company and ask around is a good idea. If you can get me a name and number I'd be happy to make a call for you. As would, I'm sure, anyone on the wispa board. Good luck. marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] illegal CPE installs Travis, What's the illegality? Are they using 5150 - 5250 (indoor use only)? Are they exceeding + 30 dBm EIRP on either the AP or the SM? jack Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Curious to everyone's thoughts about a regional WISP installing illegal CPE units? They are using Last Mile Gear 120degree Canopy 120 degree sectors (5.2GHz) and then putting the Canopy 5.2GHz SM in dishes at customer locations. I am talking about thousands of CPE installed this way and doing more every day. This company covers several western states (Idaho, Utah, Nevada, etc.) and also does Dish Network satellite TV installs. Is this OK? What are everyone's thoughts? Travis Microserv -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Lead - Glenwood, WA k-12 School Needs Internet
Please contact me off list as this area borders our Wireless Network. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Lead - Glenwood, WA k-12 School Needs Internet team, im talking with the the superintendent glenwood school. he wants to know if anybody can set up a wisp service for the locality. contact shane c 509 364 3438 x203 zip 98619 bob kim http://evdo-coverage.com http://iptv-coverage.com http://wimax-coverage.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/556 - Release Date: 11/28/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/556 - Release Date: 11/28/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Lead - Glenwood, WA k-12 School Needs Internet
Marlon, HA! NorthEAST 509 may be yours but I'm all about CENTRAL 509. I feel we are about to throw down some rap song, WORD! Forbes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tue 11/28/2006 10:25 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lead - Glenwood, WA k-12 School Needs Internet 509 is my turf. I'll touch base with him. Thanks much! marlon - Original Message - From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:16 AM Subject: [WISPA] Lead - Glenwood, WA k-12 School Needs Internet team, im talking with the the superintendent glenwood school. he wants to know if anybody can set up a wisp service for the locality. contact shane c 509 364 3438 x203 zip 98619 bob kim http://evdo-coverage.com http://iptv-coverage.com http://wimax-coverage.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] New Recording LAW in effect today?
This is one of those times when we need to ride the coats of the big guys. They spent millions in lobbying and legal fees to make sure they didn't have to be regulated like a common carrier by defining the new term information service. All of us are in that business and even though Cable, Power companies and to some extent even the Telco's did this so they could slap us small guys around the advantage is we are also unregulated thanks to them. So if we can say anything it's that we don’t have to join the very messy regulated crowd. Did you see the court decision this week stating Cable could refuse service and the person sued them up to the Court of Appeals and lost with the court saying that cable is not a utility and thus not required to give service to anyone? Aren't you glad Cable paid to get that judgment rather then you having to go broke trying? They may be crappy at service and high priced but they do love to spend money that gives us legal precedent for free. Forbes Mercy President -Washington Broadband, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Kerns Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 1:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Recording LAW in effect today? As a common carrier I can understand and agree. What about providing E-mail services to our customers, do we then need to keep copies of all e-mail that comes into or goes out our server? Tim Kerns - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Recording LAW in effect today? We are common carriers. We no more have to copy peoples e-mail than the phone company has to record the contents of every call. Tim Kerns wrote: I caught a brief report on FoxNews today about a requirement for keeping copies of E-mail. It seems that we may be required to maintain a copy for use at later time for criminal courts. Anyone know of this or have more info on it? Is it every ISP or only Corporations. This could be disasterious. sell alot of storage devices... The Foxnews report says the requirement begins today and as usual not a lot of detail. Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.3/562 - Release Date: 12/1/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.3/562 - Release Date: 12/1/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] The Holiday Season
I received an email from my support staff who was mad because a customer called screaming at them and the tech felt the installers weren't fixing problems aggressive enough. Normally this is a simple fix but during this stressful season both sides flew off in a rage. Our company dinner is tonight and I felt perhaps I should send a little reminder of who we are. I laugh when the first line says how much I hate the holidays but trust me it gets better. It's something us small business owners, especially in this business, have to remember to say when times get really stressful. I just thougth I'd pass it on, I hope your not offended by it: You know what I really hate about the holiday season. People feel they are under so much pressure to give that they become asses to everyone else. Our customers become out of control crazy and our employees who deal with the same problems year round become more sensitive because you are under the same pressures personally for the holidays. Pretty soon employee comments get harsher in the notes and the reactions get more radical and everyone goes away miserable. I don't know about you but I can't wait for the end of the year so people can just calm down. No business is more affected then ours because if anything fails the customer calls screaming that we ruined their Christmas or some nonsence like that, gee thanks for ruining ours too, ya jerk. I just want to make sure you know that a smart remark in notes will be taken much more personally this time of year. Saying I just wish you installers would go fix it is going to be met with I think you techs can come try and do our job responses. Neither is a reasonable statement but I understand the pressure on both of you. The only thing you need to take away from this email is this. I support you and will be as flexible as you need to make sure this season is not a pressure filled as the rest of the world is making it. My daughter is ready to walk out of her job because her bosses are self serving and make no attempt to understand the added stress of the season and in fact are adding to it. I won't add to yours. Tonight we all have dinner and I want just for those few hours you to remember that we are all in this together and we are a highly moral company who always goes beyond the rest to take care of our customers even at personal expense. We may not be a good battle for the billion dollar corporations who just want to lose money to kill us but the core of our customers are still seeking somebody in this world who still really cares about them and thats us. So feel good that when the rest of the world seems to want to screw you we are caring about our customers and leading by example. Now take a breath and lets get back to work, see you tonight and Merry Christmas and all those other religious greetings that I am now required by the religious police to say. I got your back. Forbes -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Bid For Equipment
We are moving into our next expansion of our network and upgrading the back-end. It consists of 20 projects to be completed in the next six months and we are looking for both leasing companies and vendors to bid on our list. For the purpose of asking your help in aiming in the right direction I have named the projects and itemized my suggested equipment purchase. From here you can ignore, learn or help change my mind. I'm open to anything. Thanks, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. Installation of Naches; 1a) 5.7 Canopy ap 1 @ $902.72 1b) SmartBridges 3201 2.4 ap4 @ $1,160 1c) 5.7 canopy reflector dishes 27rd4 @ $82.01 1d) Canopy power supply 5 @ $8.20 1e) Nema18x16x8 enclosure nb181608-100 3 @ $279 1f) Cisco 8 port switch 2940 8tt2 @ $595 1g) APC Back-ups-ls 500 4 @ $125.25 1h) Comet 12 dbi omni 2 @ $332.10 1i) 90 deg panel antenna hg2414sp-090 2 @ $129.99 1j) Cyclone 20 meg backhaul 2 @ $1,999 1k) Cyclone Radio wave 3 foot dish 2 @ $699.60 Total Project #1 = $14,815.14 Other Projects needing funding: 2) Atg-Cowiche - 20 meg Cyclone + 3 foot dishes x 2 $8,695.6 3) Atg-Ar02 - 20 meg Cyclone + 3 foot dishes x 2 $8,695.6 4) Moxee-Artower01 - 20 meg Cyclone + 3 foot dishes x 2 $8,695.6 5) Moxee-Ladybug - 20 meg Cyclone + 2 foot dishes x 2 $4,778 6) Moxee-Elephant - 20 meg Cyclone + 2 foot dishes x 2 $4,778 7) Moxee-Hill1 - 20 meg Cyclone + 3 foot dishes x 2 $8,695.6 8) Moxee-Artower01-Atg - 20 meg Cyclone + 3 foot dishes x 2 $8,695.6 9) Hill1, = nema enclosure + catalyst switch $874 10) Hill2 = another 60 watt solar panel + 2 more batteries + another polarized antenna + catalyst switch + radio $2,615 11) Rattlesnake-b – radio $1,160 12) Ladubug – another polarized antenna + switch$715 13) Artower – another polarized antenna + radio $1,280 14) Artower-01b – radio $1,160 15) Artower02 – radio + different polarized antenna $1,280 16) Artower02-wiley – radio $1,160 17) Cowiche 17a) Cowichen – radio + different polarized antenna $1,280 17b) Cowiches – radio + different polarized antenna $1,280 18) New tower above Wiley City – radio antenna$1,280 19) Cisco 3845 from cdw $9,662.99 Already funded 20) bandwidth manager $1500 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.18/585 - Release Date: 12/13/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] AP Search
We're still looking for the ideal Access Point. We realize we can't pack much more then 30-40 on these so that's one limitation. We use basically three types: Older Smartbridges 2510 which are great units but unavailable, the New Smartbridges replacements which don’t seem to want to consistently stay up and Engenius AP's. The reason we like the Smartbridge is because it allows a pass through username/password style of authentication that bypasses the switch so we can have a centralized access granted in our radius server and it interfaces to our billing. We haven't found another like it. On the other hand the Engenius has to have authentication through the switch before radius so the AP is essentially open to relaying from unethical competitors while the smartbridges. We're pretty sick of the new smartbridges being not only unreliable but takes forever to put in a MAC through it's overly complicated and slow loading internal menus. If you have any others that can work like the old 2510' s with good capacity and pass through radius please let me know. Thanks, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.18/585 - Release Date: 12/13/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] DAY FROM HELL!!!
For us in little old Yakima we have a crumpled and twisted 50 foot tower that pulled the guy wire support concrete and all about 15 feet clean out of the ground while the tower was falling. It took six access points/antennas, of that we saved three of the radios and four of the antennas but it did hit the power line and the wait was two days for the power company. Do get back up we put in a wood pole and remounted all new equipment. We had the Canopy high end accounts back up in 4 hours and the rest of the 2.4 people up by days end. I had to go up about every 10 hours to change batteries until the power was back on. We have been blessed with good weather since the big storm so thank goodness for that. We measured 75 MPH gusts during the storm but of seven towers only had one crash and one with turned AP antennas. Then the customers with antennas that spun away from our tower started coming in. In all we have/are handling about 115 open tickets of which every staff member will be out in trucks Monday. I had to do Business Class customers all weekend since they have 24/7 response in their contract.One thing for sure using tripods or pole mounts are much better then some of the roof water pipe installs I found this week. Those always fail first. Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court
I remember once when a big corporation, to remain nameless, offered to buy me for a nice chunk of change then after we signed the NDA and they looked at my numbers they never called me or returned our calls again. Mind you are the largest ISP in my town so it wasn't for lack of numbers. They simply wanted to know how much business was in my town so they could justify whether they would come here and take us out. The Form 477 is just another way for corporations to see how strong your market is so they can have you essentially research for them the feasibility for them to come spend three million (just a vague reference not a real number - you'll see if you read the rant) to run you out of business. I'm done on the form 477 comment but in a tell us how you really feel rambling (as Marlon would say) here is what I think of our competition: rantThe new corporate motto is, 'Why buy an existing customer base for a million when we can come to their market and spend three million in advertising or free/under cost services to force them out.' It's not naievety by the government either they know that corporations are basically greedy and corrupt but they donate well to political figures so if they have to do anything they can to please their stockholders more power to them. Letters to the FTC, or Justice department asking for investigations of these many unethical acts are all unanswered during a Republican Adminstration. We're all old enough to remember when Republicans were the friend of small business, doesn't seem that long ago. Oh sure they have small business loans out there but now you have to hire their buddies as Consultants for 1/4 of the loan value in order to fill out the overly difficult forms. Government is just as unethical so how are they going to set the example for American corporations. Service or community responsibilty is a luxury from them not like us who use it as our foundations. That is why those two traits are the only thing that keep small business alive for those few customers who want to pay less at the cost of being on hold for 1/2 hour for service they don't get anyway. Look at Charter Cable, Paul Allen needed a write-off for his huge profits on Microsft, got it by writing off investors losses as his own so he didn't have to acutally spend that money! Or Clearwire which is Craig McCaws write-off dupped Intel and Microsoft into bailing his failing venture out. Neither give a damn about their customers other then they pay their bill so the stockholders don't sue them for making their stock (in Charter's case) go from $30 to a buck or so. I can't believe I'm admitting it but I think Bill Gates is much more of a 'True American' then either of those other scum I mentioned. At least he uses his write-off for good. Even if Windows is a crappy program, it did bring the world into the computer age so good for him which made them customers of ours, well until Allen or McCaw steals them to the tune of another billion dollar or more loss. /end rant Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. --- I'm glad this is being taken to court. One of the reasons many WISPs don't file still (even though legally required to), is because they are afraid that the information will be shared with someone that will result in a negative effect, whether its the tax collector or competitors. Proving that this information can or can not be kept confidential will take a load off the mind of parties that are obligated to file. Hopefully, the FCC will be victorious and not need to disclose the information. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court It looks as though the confidentiality of Form 477 information is being challenged in court. Anyone with further insight that has comments, they are appreciated. Our office received this document via email today. PUBLIC NOTICE Federal Communications Commission 445 12th St., S.W. Washington, D.C. 20554 News Media Information 202 / 418-0500 Fax-On-Demand 202 / 418-2830 TTY 202 / 418-2555 Internet: http://www.fcc.gov ftp fcc gov DA 06-2534 December 15, 2006 Public Notice To Service Providers Who Filed FCC Form 477s With The Commission And Sought Confidential Treatment Of The Information Submitted This Public Notice notifies all filers who sought confidential treatment of their Form 477 information that the public release of this information is being sought. The following litigation is pending in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia: Center for Public Integrity v. Federal Communications Commission, Civil Action No. 06-1644 (RMC
RE: [WISPA] Council rejects wireless proposal
. In other markets the building, not Clearwire that houses their transmitters has been sued. I think Yakima County may have seen they were opening a Pandora’s Box of potential legal issues by partnering with them. I would also like to think they were showing some loyalty to local business as well. Any partnership with Clearwire will immediately open the city to criticism of disloyalty to local businesses plus the potential of legal issues if you house their gear. My VERY partial advice, stay clear of Clearwire, if you need a Wireless partner to deploy downtown or anywhere just share some block grant or loan funds with us and we will deploy and maintain it ALL with local people making local wages and shopping here. We were the first local Internet Company in Yakima; my company has spent more money on “Buy Local” ads then most other merchants in Yakima. I support when you welcome a national company that offers something we don’t have here but you would be welcoming a company that directly takes dollars out of your pockets. Clearwire just like AOL contribute not one cent back to the community, its population or its merchants, which is the whole point, isn’t it? Thank you for your valuable time, Forbes Mercy President - Northwest Info Net, Inc. (www.nwinfo.net) President - Washington Broadband, Inc. (www.wabroadband.com) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 509-853-0852 fax: 509-853-0856 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Council rejects wireless proposal Brad, There is a BIG difference. On tower agreements we do it with non-interference clauses,or we buy up all the finite resources (in some cases spectrum). Could you image what would happen if we went to a tower owner and requested to be the ONLY provider to rent space on the tower? It would never happen. Do you think I like the fact that Clearwire is comming to town and overlaying a network on top of mine, possibly some of the same towers? Why must I have competition and not the governement? Its a double standard. I didn't have the right to buy exclusivity. I bought exclusive rights to use spectrum ranges that I use, but thats a different animal, and that does not stop copetition, that just help minimize my interference. The way the Munis are writing it, is exclusive provider. Even if I went out and won an auction on licensed spectrum and could guarantee that I wouldn't interfere with the other unlicenced WISP, I would not be allowed to buy the easement to the poles. Plus it does not matter what is best for unlicensed. unlicensed radio gear needs does not override what is right from the perspective of the constitution, and the American way of Free competition. Does the Muni network really need, 900, 2.4, 5.3, 5.4, 5.8, to pull off its free public network? I think not. The intent is not to prevent interference, the intent is to give exclusive provider. Someone buying the right to access the public, and therefore consumers losing choice. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Council rejects wireless proposal Tom, I don't think asking to be exclusive on light poles is a bad thing. It's usually done in exchange for public safety or public workers riding the network for free. Like I said in a previous post, I just can't see multiple vendors stacking wifi mesh solutions on every other light pole. Who will invest if that's the case? Again, I'm still on the fence with these Muni wified mesh networks and their viability. Time will tell. How many of you have exclusive rooftop or tower rights? The same can be said about light poles when Earthlink or another service provider is deploying and sometimes paying to be there. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Council rejects wireless proposal They have been exclusive. But that is part of the problem. Some how some people conclude that an open wholesale network gets around the legallity and intent the FCC has for unlicensed spectrum. But I also feel it is anti-American and border line illegal for City agreements to be exclusive. In Montgomery County MD, the City promised free access to all County Governement structures, to third party providers, in exchange for restrictions of new tower building. Changing it to exclusive after teh fact would be deceptive and in contrast to previous law. They would need to remove the ban on tower building and reduce the $17,000 Special Exception fee, if they changed directions and attempted exclusivity. There are FCC laws
RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESSVL
H I'm 48 - gawd I just looked at that in print and it is WAY too old for me. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 2:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESSVL On Fri, 5 Jan 2007, Patrick Leary wrote: Sigh. I guess at 42 I qualify for old man to some of you whipper-snappers! 42 is NOT OLD! 42 is the meaning to life, the universe and everything! (and you're right there in it!) -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.18/585 - Release Date: 12/13/2006 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.18/585 - Release Date: 12/13/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESSVL
How did you know that??!!Nah my daughter (21) wasn't thrilled at all so I had to go back to women within my decade or two. Anyone who gets up to my age finds in a hurry that the only thing that really got old was your body, your mind is still in fluid denial. Hey if people in our industry are supposed to have A.D.D. to keep up what makes us think a young-in isn't in our grasp. Actually I like the energy and lack of baggage of the young but it's a given that the immaturity factor will eventually take that away. Heck who has time for women anyway, I live in my office anymore. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 5:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESSVL But you still date 24 year olds ;) - Jeff On 1/5/07 3:29 PM, Forbes Mercy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H I'm 48 - gawd I just looked at that in print and it is WAY too old for me. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 2:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESSVL On Fri, 5 Jan 2007, Patrick Leary wrote: Sigh. I guess at 42 I qualify for old man to some of you whipper-snappers! 42 is NOT OLD! 42 is the meaning to life, the universe and everything! (and you're right there in it!) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.18/585 - Release Date: 12/13/2006 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.18/585 - Release Date: 12/13/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Scrivner's story
What a fantastic write-up that was! I'd take that as a legacy any day and you earned it Scriv, nice going. More often as not innovators are looked at as gamblers not visionaries it's great that someone saw you for what you are! Congrats Forbes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 6:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Scrivner's story *A WISP with Vision * http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/business/2007/mt.vernon.net.html*Gerry Blackwell* http://www.isp-planet.com/equipment/2006/barracuda_load_balancer.html* * http://www.isp-planet.com/news/2006/wsta_hot_technologies.html [January 5, 2007] He has navigated federal, state, and local bureaucracies, runs an ISP association, and has built a WISP that's always a step ahead of the industry. http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/business/2007/mt.vernon.net.html -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.18/585 - Release Date: 12/13/2006 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.18/585 - Release Date: 12/13/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Hey I need to quickly find
Where can I get the best price on the parabolic dish that goes with the Motorola Canopy 2.4 radios? I need to get some and my sysadmin is unavailable. See what happens when the boss is in charge? :) Feel free to contact me off list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] there so no need to start a thread out of this. Thanks, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.18/585 - Release Date: 12/13/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Most Common Questions for Tech Support Line ?
We use almost all Smartbridge AP's but recently added one of their newer units, it just likes to stop associating or passing traffic randomely so that bridge is our nightmare. My sysadmin doesn't like Microtic stuff but he' leaves at the week for another job so you can bet I will be buying some because he never gave me any good alternatives. Of course for our new techs we love to call them with I can't get my PPP up just to see if they are listening. In reality the most questions we get are why is your Internet so slow and they yell at us because they have viruses and adware even though our startup disk includes adware and and AVG. I swear we have been blamed for divorces and the porn they go to see. It's always our fault. It makes me wonder if Cable gets questions like you let my kid see evil shows too. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Most Common Questions for Tech Support Line ? Do you have a router? If yes, then reboot the [EMAIL PROTECTED] router!!! AND DON'T CALL US AGAIN EVER UNTIL YOU DO!!! Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:50 AM Subject: [WISPA] Most Common Questions for Tech Support Line ? If I were to build a script for my tech support phone answering, and share it with you all as an FAQ, what do you think the most common questions are, and how are they answered. Keep in mind, that I'm attempting to write a script, so to speak, for an operator to pick up the phone and cluefully help someone through wireless or hotspot problems in hotels... R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.18/585 - Release Date: 12/13/2006 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.18/585 - Release Date: 12/13/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Climbing Harness
Hello Fellow WISP's I need to purchase a tower climbing harness. If you have one to sell, great, if you know of a company that sells them that would be great too. Thanks, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.5/645 - Release Date: 1/22/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Form FCC477
Sort of odd that last time I filed and I received no such notice to renew. Forbes I'm not particularly worried about my info getting into anyone's hands. I've got nothing to hide. We'll fill it out again. I'm far more worried about the fines than competitors learning anything useful from the 477. Someone else brought up a great point. You can't market your company and stay hidden. If anyone's looking at your area for anything at all they'll find out all about you anyway. Unless you don't want customers to ever hear about you :-). laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Joe Laura [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form FCC477 Ya, I just got a notice as well. I wonder what the response rate will be this time around? Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:02 PM Subject: [WISPA] Form FCC477 Hehe!!! I just received my reminder that my new 'confidential' FCC 477 form will be due shortly. Cliff LeBoeuf www.cssla.com www.triparish.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.11/652 - Release Date: 1/25/2007 winmail.dat-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Form FCC477 - I called CPI
So I was a bit curious as to who this Center for Public Integrity (CPI) was and who funded them and what their intent was. I looked them up and gave the guy a call that is in charge of the lawsuit for CPI against the FCC. We had a long chat and he referred me to their website and what they are trying to do: http://www.publicintegrity.org/telecom/ Basically, according to the director of this project, they are trying to mirror the other media provider information by providing a list by zip code of who gives service in an area. We discussed how inaccurate the list is for say cable where my town supposedly has five cable providers when in fact we have two and only one by the zip code I searched. I then asked if that is all the information they want from the FCC Form 477. He said Yes all we really want is the provider name. So I asked why his FOI and lawsuit states ALL data provided in the Form 477. I explained that our competition already has enough of an advantage but if they had their hands on the number of customers, their speeds, etc. by zip code they would know where to spend money to go after us specifically. Essentially telling our competition everything about us without even the tease of an offer to by protected by an non disclosure agreement (NDA). I think even Telco and Cable agree with us on this potential which is why they have joined with the FCC opposing the full disclosure request. His answer (CPI) was that they don't expect to get the whole database and in the end will likely compromise for just the names. I told him I have no problem giving my name or having the FCC do that but why ask for everything, I said, it demonstrates intent to disclose so much more that could damage us. He said he knows that but it was their decision to start there and work back to what they want. I explained how when you negotiate you don't ask for, let's say buying a car, for $2000 off when you only want $500 off. By doing so the salesman, in this case the FCC, has no motivation to work with you because you made an unreasonable request. Why not just file the Freedom of Information (FOI) request for just the provider names? He said, it's nice to hear a grass roots provider view but we felt this was the best bargaining method. He made clear they are not funded by a Corporation and are certainly not trying to help anyone but consumers. I see one of two motivations for this: 1) They are being pushed by their attorney to go too far which sounds about right for a lawyer who knows he/they will get a lot more money for drawing out negotiations when he could just make a reasonable request or, 2) CPI feels they will get more donors and media attention by being able to make the claim they are trying to protect the public in a big media splash saying we just want their names while really asking for the whole cake. They are a DC organization so you can never really trust their intent. Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. www.wabroadband.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release Date: 1/26/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Re: [WISP] New report on Muni Wifi
You know a paper like the Wall Street Journal is more interested in who 'ripped off the public' or 'got lucky' so someone could get rich then someone who actually worked for what they got. I submitted an article once about the 'write-off Billionaires of Seattle' showing the huge losses by Charter and Clearwire. I demonstrated the negative cash flow that showed both a deception to the stock buyers/investors but the inability to support payments by their lack of income and how 'showing a profit' is simply shuffling your debt into a different category. Not even a 'drop dead' from them, or a 'thanks for the heads up'. That is why I think us honest businessmen have such a hard time understanding how people's idea of making money is not hard work but how easily they can rip off someone for a big score. Maybe they just think bigger then us and feel fully justified in what they do but anyone who has to lobby congress to get special treatment because what they are doing is not in the public's interest has my suspicion especially when it gets the praise of the WSJ who loves a good scam when they see it. Equal reporting or Media Integrity is an oxymoron. Forbes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 8:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] New report on Muni Wifi I'm merely pointing out that all is not wine and roses in the muni market. Yet, for some strange reason, we never hear about the problems. The Wall Street Journal had a write-up about the Grant Co. network out here. Did they print ONE word when the state auditor caught them giving over $1,000,000 in cash and labor to one of my competitors? Did they write up anything about the big companies that never did pay hundreds (yes hundreds, more than a couple) of thousands in bills? Has anyone wrote one peep about the fact that the network still spends millions per year more than it's generating? Nope, not a word. Not one single word. A little bit has made it into the local press but that's it. Nothing that *I've* seen even on a regional scale. But you'll see plenty about Google, Yahoo, and MS building data centers out here. Whoopee. 5000 computers and I'll bet 5 technicians. The dirty little secret there is that the PUD gave them $.01 (yeah, that's right ONE PENNY) per kwh power rate. So the electric rate payers are putting in a network BELOW cost to them (MS said build it for $x or we'll just do it ourselves, guess fiber availability wasn't really the issue to MS was it?), AND the loose money every month on the network AND the electricity. Boy, is there a lot of great talk, press and excited people around about it though! Look, fiber is great. People out here have the network with the capacity that will have been needed in 10 to 15 years. The problem is, it costs too much to do it first. And, as that article pointed out, things change far too fast for government. I know that people out here felt about the electric dams like I feel about the fiber project. Well, kinda. To me the dams make a ton of sense. So does broadband! A hybrid network would have been MUCH more cost effective though. Think about what technologies do what things the best? I love the way that these people talk We built a fiber network to monitor and manage our electrical systems, we're just using some excess capacity for the good of the community. OK, I can live with that. But did anyone see what happened to many of the transmission towers, poles etc. out in the mid west? Did you guys see the pics that Matt Larson tossed out for folks to see? What good is that fiber network to anyone when it's all mangled on the ground? And just HOW much data is needed to manage a substation or 20? Those used to be all taken care of by RF links. Surely that could still be done today and they'd have LESS risk of LARGE outages with wireless than with fiber. AND RF systems are cheap compared to stringing fiber over any distance. Even if you already have the poles etc. So what's the real reason for all that fiber? I suggest that it's NOT about electric system monitoring. That's just a convenient, public palatable, excuse. What should be done, out here or in the big cities, is a hybrid network. Use the best technology for the specific customers you are looking to hit. CATV or Sat. TV is GREAT for streaming video or audio to people. Heck, I'll bet you it's cheaper to broadcast TV over open air than it is to build a fiber network for the same thing... grin Light data and voice work great over wireless. Big data pipes are naturals for fiber. The ultimate network for me would be one that seamlessly combines sat tv with my broadband. But so far, none of the sat companies are interested in talking. It's too bad, we could install sat tv AND wireless or fiber all at the same time.
RE: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing
You go John, I agree.. OH NO I just did a mee too! Ok really I did that on purpose to help John with his point. So what really is the point of this email? I just read an article from the AP that was re-printed in the Kansas City Star: http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/business/16567716.htm http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/business/16567716.htm that, to a poker player, is someone who is vulnerable but powerful, blinking. Politics are very much a part of our industry and causing obstuctions for our competition is as important to us as what Wireless equipment works best. Like John clearly stated it's not that we have to say what our feelings are about something but to represent something that could improve our ability to deliver service. The FCC and local governments are taking a completely 'winner takes all' position - to localize power so your town so you and your city council can require cable and telco to give incentive for use of right of way and exclusivity. This doesn't please the very Bush-like Kevin Martin who would federalize the whole country so he could have control if possible. All perks for local communities would be stripped and only the rights and needs of the biggest donor corporations met. oops did I accidently say political donors? If you are an ISP as well as a WISP this is certainly the time to push your local legislative body to include buy local provisions against outside mesh groups that could run you out of business, right of way access sharing requirements in franchises and other provisions like sharing pole use for wireless mesh networks. With the FCC, local government, cable and telco all pushing for their right to give you service for us not to insert ourselves into the battle and perhaps present the Public Interest perspective with our options of Wireless is to find our industry out in the cold when the dust settles and compromises have been made. I hope John doesn't relagate your need for political activity from any discussion list as their (WISPA) pledge when I joined this group is what interested me most. Without being part of the political process it doesn't really matter what gear we run because we will always be on the outside. Look at any bandwidth speed test, how often does it give the choice of Fixed Wireless? We could be that much of an outsider politically and that would mean that you have settled to always be a small player in the process. Well step aside we dont' all strive for underachievement and this group needs to cowboy-up to this rare time of political activity and take a strong role in the rights we are given and the recognition we need for the public to take us seriously and for us to make a few bucks in our little niche of the world. Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. I cannot believe how many of you guys all decided that this thread could be extended into a lengthy diatribe about Wal-mart. I use these lists to learn and teach about the wireless industry and to help drive changes in policy and law. We have people from time to time who join this list to learn about our industry. I know of one guy who is working on a massive plan to work with WISPs to give us funding opportunities and other advantages. These guys leave here fast when their Inbox fills with unrelated multiple messages about Wal-mart, me toos, my gear is better than your gear, rants, etc.. We do have a place for this type of conversation though. It is also a free list and I highly recommend you guys subscribe to it. It is called [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can go here to subscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/chat http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/chat On the chat list you can digress all the way to talking about what brand of underwear you buy at Wal-mart for all I care. The wireless@wispa.org list is supposed to be focused on wireless. Let's all keep it that way. Thank you, John Scrivner President WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ winmail.dat-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Open letter to the IEEE
Ouch did I really say embarrassed instead of embraced I really should proof this thing better, a few hanging sentences and other grammar goofs. Oh well I did with what time I had so everyone else please don't suggest my need for English 101. Forbes Marlon, I kind of gutted your letter and changed it to one that acts a little more like it's from an organization then a person. Please don't take offense and feel free to change it. As you have explained to me, stepping back and looking at it from another person's eyes sometimes gets the same effect with a little calmer face. Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. Dear Sirs, I represent the Wireless Internet Service Providers Association (WISPA) an organization which has worked closely with the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) for many years. As you know we consist purely of WISP owners and have been pleased with the open ear provided by the FCC in our numerous opportunities for testimony and individual meetings. These meetings have resulted in a very fair and generous application of unlicensed frequencies. We feel that not only our industry has benefitted but many other applications have been invented providing American consumers new services, competition and pricing that helps keep inflation in check and advanced services accessible to all income levels. One of our agenda issues has been active inclusion in the use of the 700 MHZ frequencies known as TV White Space. The ability to have a product that actually covers distance through vegetation is very exciting. We have battled the upper frequencies short range and low power but also have provided innovative services to the most rural areas. This is a testiment to the vision of the FCC with your successful experiment giving Americans unlicensed space just to see if we can succeed, we did and because of it are very grateful. We have considered the 700 MHZ space as the ultimate application for rural development and wish to convey some concerns over the preliminary specifications submitted. Our examples of this would be: 33' minimum antenna heights, pre-programmed exclusion zones, with no accounting for LOCAL terrain or foliage. As you know provision of Wireless has little similarity with Radio Station methods of engineering and implementation. The specifications become even more focused with the suggested geolocation of every Customer Premise Equipment (CPE) device. These proposeals could eliminate 90% of the customers and easily as many WISP's from using this band. Very few people will be able to justify the $500 (probably closer to $1000) installation costs of these systems. We had hoped for an in-house antenna system that does not require outdoor antennas which are confusing to renting land owners and asthestically challanging to homeowners. It redirects costs from a 'take home and plug in' service to a much higher model of 'a truck run for every install' scenario. Most of our operators have been pleased with the prospect of eliminating roll-up antennas, the high cost and hazard of roof-top work and the difficulty of employing installers, it triples the costs of operation and those funds, which could be used for more deployments, instead goes to unnecessary infrastructure and is passed on as higher costs to all income level Americans. WISPA feels there is no need for the outdoor only, or minimum antenna height requirement. We feel that the local interference issues have been dealt with professionally in our existing bands and the minimal abuse has been well documented by the FCC. Low signal strength have been built into your standard for the incumbent detection mechanism. Of course we acknowledge the pressure from the TV Broadcasting organizations to have more stringent standards due to the proximity to their systems therefore a beacon system in which any cpe would be acceptible to identify the owner of the ap for faster recitification of problems should one occur. This uses the innovation we have embrassed and the costs will assure that any problem, albiet unlikely, can be quickly qwelled locally. This resolves our need for GPS units and other expensive testing equipment not available to all providers. It also eliminates the need for dual antennas and GPS's for each customer CPE, another expensive requirement not required of any other commercial or unlicensed frequency. Because of the need for some control to satisfy broadcasters the spectrum needs to be unlicensed with registration required with the FCC. Again we reiterate the need for inexpensive access to deploy thus hope any registration would be within reason. The innovation we have provided meets the President's goal of rural deployment without need for public funds and provides local responsiveness and competition that forces National providers to keep costs affordable. As we have been in the past, the Wireless Internet
RE: [WISPA] Refreshing Day
It's that same 'small thinking' owner that kept a national ISP group from ever being successful. The cable and TV industry love it when we are fragmented without a single focus. That is why WISPA is so special. Yeah we all do thing are own way but we can pretty much agree that turning money down over pride is a sign of a small mind. Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. I wish it were that way for me. I called a competitor once, as I had a $500/month account. All I could see was the tower they're on. Called them, told em I'd pay them $250 / month for the account ( I know they charge a lot more than that... ) since I'd manage the customer, etc. They hung up on me. I called back to talk to the owner and was rudely told, even by him, that they would not support their competitors. hah. I hooked the customer up with a cable modem, and I paid for the line so I could run an AP off his roof with now 12 customers from there. One of the other customers could see my stuff, so I use the cable line as a backup now. :) Oh, the competitor left that tower, too... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 11:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Refreshing Day Yeah, a guy needs days like that once in a while eh? I went to do an install today and found that I couldn't hit the customer due to trees etc. While up on the roof I noticed that one of the dozen or so ap's I was picking up belonged to one of my competitors. A quick phone call later and I had an IP addy from him. Got the customer up and running. My competitor will make some money from me, I'll get a bit from the customer, and the customer has service. A great day all around! marlon - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:16 PM Subject: [WISPA] Refreshing Day Well it was 10 degrees above zero this afternoon here in northern Indiana. We have been having an issue on one particular tower and after changing the base station equipment a couple times in the last few days, I decided to get out from behind a desk and go out to some customer locations that were still having issues. Turned out to be some minor tweaking of settings but it gave me a chance to interface with some customers face to face. It was very refreshing to hear compliments about our service and many thanks for bringing broadband out into the rural areas. These were a few customers that had very little service in the last few days. I almost feel like I should make each member of my staff go do this at least once a month. It really gives a guy a renewed appreciation of why we do what we do. Eight years ago when we started this, it was very apparent. Lately it seems like most people expect service anywhere they are and at a very cheap price. Normal phone conversations seem to leave me with a bad guy impression. Too Much, not fast enough, whaddya mean, I can't get service, TWO YEAR CONTRACT, no way!. Well today, shaking people's hands and seeing the smile on their face when everything was fixed and back to normal, takes all that away. Heck, I think I was happier than they were. My last service call was to a gentleman I have known for 20 years from a distance. He called late in the afternoon and said he couldn't get logged on and that our installer had been there today to replace a radio. He was so complimentary on the phone about the quality work and attitude of the installer and the rest of my staff, so I called my wife and told her I would be home in about an hour. I drove 15 miles out of town and fixed the issue rather quickly. Same IP address, different radio MAC addresstower needed a reboot to get rid of the arp issue. I guess I could have done that from the office but this one seemed like it was better handled face to face. The customer was off to church as soon as I left his house and I'm sure that he probably told all his friends about our service and my fine staff. Some people just value the local support a WISP is willing to give to its customers. It's not all about price, service like this makes customers for life, no matter how cheap they can buy it from somewhere else. Oh yeah, I also backed into his mailbox on the way out the driveway. You know, it didn't even bother him.I'll fix that right up tomorrow, you go on home now :-) Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
RE: [WISPA] - Hello Group! - Can we talk towers?
Dave, Not to rain on your parade but the cost of a Wireless tower should be around $5,000-$10,000, the cost of a Cell qualified tower $50,000 to $100,000 by the time you are finished. Engineering is the biggest costs, foundations, wind loading, lighting, etc. etc. Then you might get $2000 a month tops but I'm seeing more cell leases in the $1000 range which offers an awfully long ROI in return for a lot of money up front. Oh and don't forget the required communications hut they will require (they won't want your building) that piles it on. In your case it sounds like the FAA might want to get involved which means a public comment period and a whole lot of paperwork. I chose to put up a 100 foot monopole, or I should say I have one laying on the ground waiting for the year's worth of permits and the excavation of an inverted T frame concrete foundation that was engineered 15 feet deep. To think how much of this over $100K NOC I built that could have expanded my customer base with $700 wood poles and lots of AP's and CPE actually returning my income. I know I'm not answering your question but all I'm saying is if you haven't gotten too far into this process it's a tall order and essentially a new business. Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Brenton Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] - Hello Group! - Can we talk towers? Hello WISPA! It's great to be aboard. I have several questions about towers, but I'm going to try to hold it to TWO, starting out. 1) Does anyone on the list have experience with the FCC/FAA maze? Our Network Operations Center will be at the base of an as-yet-to-be-constructed 300 foot Commercial Grade Communications Tower. In attempting to get the FCC/FAA Permit(s) to place this tower I've run into a Catch-22, or so it would seem. The FAA Forms want an FCC Registration Number, and of course the FCC Forms want an FAA Registration Number. So. Who's on first? I've searched and searched and cannot find a step-by-step or flowchart explaining the procedure to get the permit process started, let alone completed. Anyone with some experience with this matter will be a hero forever with me. BTW to avoid the questions I explain right now that - - NO we don't NEED a 300 Footer for our wireless coverage, but... I live in the middle of Cell-Hell and I'm willing to speculate the one or more of the Cell Providers in this area will Co-Locate once an actual structure is in place. Also the extra altitude will make if practical to Back-Haul bandwidth for many-many miles thus reducing our wire-line costs to a minimum. 2) Who's brands of towers are ya'll using? I need some guidance for smaller towers 100-150 ft range, self supporting and guyed. I have heard of some brands, but I also have concerns about Wind Tolerance, since we are in an area that does produce tornados from time to time. I'd prefer to spend the money on a product that will hold up and I'm not uncomfortable Climbing, IF I Must. That's plenty for a first go. Thanks loads, Dave Brenton General Manager Rural Tennessee Wireless Broadband Bringing FAST Internet to the rest of us (sm) Dover TN (931) 232-0914 office (931) 627-1142 cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.28/672 - Release Date: 2/6/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.28/672 - Release Date: 2/6/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces
Patrick, Does your boss know you are taking on the industry you are trying to sell to? I agree with John, know when to back off and realize what a vendor is supposed to know buyer is right. Not to speak for John but you taking on John again should really make him want to return equipment and it certainly has affected my desire to by Alvarion. You came after me once and it certainly soured my desire to deal with your company as I admitted to Marlon. I have learned the hard way that I can't force my opinion on people and hell I'm an owner not a supplier. I've probably already said too much but I can just feel the same thought I had before when I was in your crosshairs and that was 'this is no way for a vendor to act'. Forbes John, I have railed against illegal vendors for years -- before you put up your first link. I (in official corporate capacity) have met with officials on the topic. I (in official corporate capacity) have met with lawyers on the topic. I have publicly spoken out at events on the topic. Who is stereotyping? I have said many and that's the truth and it's not even a debate. What's trying to do right? One either follows the rules or does not. No FUD being slung here. On the 4.9 issue I filed that question and deal with that assumption quite a bit. I suspect your definition of WISP is more narrow than mine. Mine includes ANY entity providing services with wireless broadband gear. There are utility-based WISPs, telco WISPs, large funded WISPs, Mom and Pop WISPs, rural WISPs, etc. The fact is that the public is not able and does not differentiate between all the competing groups of WISPs and groups like WISPA should understand that. You want it to stop, John? Well, you have the power to censure your list from those you disagree with. You will have to mute dissent then, as I will not subdue my opinion on the topic because you wield power. Has does one best use their power John? To silence rational opinion one disagrees with? Must we all be sensitive or averse to differing from your opinion? Should I watch my back and wait to be called into the corner office for expressing my qualified opinion because you want it to stop? Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces Patrick, what is Alvarion doing as a corporation to police the majority of BWIA vendors who now pollute our industry with uncertified gear? These are your peers. Do you like being stereotyped with them? Your stereotyping of WISP operators as being predominantly illegal and the source of the problem is not accurate or fair and I want it to stop. The majority of the WISPs out there are trying to do right. It is the vendors who are the real problem. The majority of vendors ignore the law. The last gear purchase I made was for an Alvarion B100 backhaul link which is due in here today. It is certified but now I wonder if buying from a vendor who stereotypes the industry is a good idea. Maybe I made a mistake buying from your company? By the way, the slam about 4.9 GHz is completely erroneous and you need to apologize. The vast majority of WISPs stay the hell away from 4.9 and other bands which we are not allowed in. You need to watch your tack on this public list. Being a paid vendor member does not give you the right to sling mud or FUD. Scriv Patrick Leary wrote: I understand and agree, but that's all the more reason why WISPs need to police themselves because the public impression and liabilities are there just as well. a Sometimes I wonder if the FCC is not content to let WISPs sort of stay partially self-destructing. It gives them and the major operators an ace in the hole against WISPs if and when they need it. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces Yeah, for sure. However, the FCC must take some credit for that problem Patrick. How many times have you been told that operator a has turned in operator b for an illegal network and never heard a peep out of the FCC? laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:49 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TV
RE: [WISPA] Disagree with me and I won't buy your product
Whoa WHOA I SAY BESSIE! I never threatened anyone's employer, I was just pointing out that if my System Administrator was on here making me look bad I'd have a word to say. I said my piece just like Patrick and John did and you all have too. But threaten Patrick with telling his boss boss? Not a chance! I was just trying to get him to see it from a different angle because just like my response it was purely from here is how I feel statement. Patrick doesn't have that luxury because how he feels is subsequently how his boss feels and his boss may not, that was my ONLY point. Let's keep the imaginations down here, I knew as soon as I sent that it would continue what shouldn't have continued, ironic this came right after taking away moderation - interesting play on words there. Anyway my one regret to having contributed to this thread is the old phrase if you have nothing constructive to add, shut-up. OH and before someone on here says He told me to shut up, NO I DIDN'T! So shall we go back to talking about making Wireless a more efficient and desirable product for the masses now?! Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 3:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Disagree with me and I won't buy your product Agreed. Seems kind of strong-arm. Threats against ones employer because you disagree with an employee, that ain't right. - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 3:50 PM Subject: [WISPA] Disagree with me and I won't buy your product I've been following the increasingly threatening discussions on this list that are saying (I'm paraphrasing here) - Disagree with me and I won't buy your product. These threats are IMHO, out of line. Even more disturbing, these comments are coming from people that I know and who I greatly respect within our industry. We all have a right to express ourselves on issues that we feel are significant. Further, we all have an OBLIGATION to responsibly express ourselves on issues of the day and issues that face our industry. Instead of posting threats, can't we all resolve to take a little more time to compose and post thoughtful, well-reasoned, and constructive comments that truly strengthen our industry? jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.28/672 - Release Date: 2/6/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.28/672 - Release Date: 2/6/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Re: Dealing with bad players (was SPAM ?...)
Amen to that, it's called 'Vendor Protectionism'. I remember when the companies doing low voltage pre-wiring in buildings lobbied to make only certified contractors be able to do Cat5/6 work in housing and an Apprentice Program was required. They knew full well that if another company wanted to go into the wiring business, like a WISP who wants to wire the rest of their house, they would not be able to because no competitor would allow my employee to get Apprentice training from them to compete against them. It's using the law to protect your income and the most ridiculous use of the law. I agree that if there is good power usage and the same interference as caused by certified gear, leave them alone. WISPA is a lobbying group for a easier access to frequencies and a group that educates each other as to the best methods and equipment. As soon as we become an exclusive trade group that tries to force people who don't agree with us out we have lost our mission and become just another scared industry that tries to hide behind the law instead of helping people get Internet where they couldn't before. I battle competition by being better at marketing and service not by some law or exclusive club; it's called the free market place with minimum government interference. Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Dealing with bad players (was SPAM ?...) I've been sitting back watching this debate/holy war for a day or so now and decided to throw my $.02 in I'd bet that the vast majority of 'bad operators' are only 'bad' due to lack of certification. Most do not run over power limits. Most do not operate outside the UL bands. If you want to help reduce over-powered or out of band operation, I'm with you. But, if it turns into a witch hunt for those who, other than certification, operate within the part 15 rules, count me out. Too many 'rules for the sake of rules' already. This reminds me of the 'professional installer' debate from about 4-5 years ago. Much ado about nothing. PS Every FCC enforcement official I have met has said the same basic thing If your power is legal, and you are operating in the UL bands, we have better things to do than come check to see if you have the right stickers on your equipment. This is not to say they can't. It is to say this is the way things work in the real world. -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.31/676 - Release Date: 2/8/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.31/676 - Release Date: 2/8/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Who Needs Enforcement when we have Civil Action?
I have had great success turning competitors interference into a civil matter. I already put one WISP out of business who was running one watt amps on 21dbi grid antennas 15 degrees apart, he had few customers but did it to make the floor so dirty no one else could play. Without getting government involved (FCC) I had my lawyer send him two letters then I calculated how many customers I had to cut back to keep them interference and filed small claims just shy of the maximum amount. They (Judges) hate it when you just make expenses go to their max, they really make you prove it if you do so go just below. I had a graph from a borrowed Spectrum Analyzer in case he wanted to be boggled by silly looking official charts. Of course he didn't show so I got the default judgment then had the judge slap a lien on his equipment and garnish his wages at his other job. The other job fired him for the garnish (or some other excuse), it's amazing how employers hate garnishments and then I contacted the tower owners for access to get my (his) equipment. He owed them lots of money, I found so I asked for access, I think one got spooked that he might not get his money so he told the WISP owner and he immediately pulled all his equipment from all towers (a lot of good it did for the tower owner to tell him) and disappeared from town. Problem solved. Total time I had to invest in the project? Two hours in letter writing, one hour to file suit, one hour with attorney, he doesn't go into small claims but he can advise and write official looking letters (have him write both in one session so he can't milk you for two sessions), one hour preparing for court and two hours into court. Time saved on reduced interference calls - priceless. And look no FCC involved! Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. winmail.dat-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Who Needs Enforcement when we have Civil Action?
Hey it was 5:30 AM when I wrote that :) What I meant to say was I calculated how many people I would have on an average bridge, reinforced that with site survey requests and then the number of calls I went on because of interference which I blamed completely on him. See I can make a short illegible sentence run really long. Forbes .. I calculated how many customers I had to cut back to keep them interference .. You did what? Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ winmail.dat-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] RE: Who Needs Enforcement when we have Civil Action?
Thanks Patrick, the nicest part of it is that it doesn't invite the FCC to look at our system. Some days the best defense is a good offense. I don't find it harsh, just a cost of doing business and it sends a powerful message to other WISP's who think about it later since I got some good press out of it too. Forbes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] RE: Who Needs Enforcement when we have Civil Action? That's a fair and excellent approach Forbes and one I've suggested to a number of legal operators. It might sound harsh to some, but it's the risk that operator decided to accept when they made their technology and configuration decisions. Patrick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 6:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Who Needs Enforcement when we have Civil Action? I have had great success turning competitors interference into a civil matter. I already put one WISP out of business who was running one watt amps on 21dbi grid antennas 15 degrees apart, he had few customers but did it to make the floor so dirty no one else could play. Without getting government involved (FCC) I had my lawyer send him two letters then I calculated how many customers I had to cut back to keep them interference and filed small claims just shy of the maximum amount. They (Judges) hate it when you just make expenses go to their max, they really make you prove it if you do so go just below. I had a graph from a borrowed Spectrum Analyzer in case he wanted to be boggled by silly looking official charts. Of course he didn't show so I got the default judgment then had the judge slap a lien on his equipment and garnish his wages at his other job. The other job fired him for the garnish (or some other excuse), it's amazing how employers hate garnishments and then I contacted the tower owners for access to get my (his) equipment. He owed them lots of money, I found so I asked for access, I think one got spooked that he might not get his money so he told the WISP owner and he immediately pulled all his equipment from all towers (a lot of good it did for the tower owner to tell him) and disappeared from town. Problem solved. Total time I had to invest in the project? Two hours in letter writing, one hour to file suit, one hour with attorney, he doesn't go into small claims but he can advise and write official looking letters (have him write both in one session so he can't milk you for two sessions), one hour preparing for court and two hours into court. Time saved on reduced interference calls - priceless. And look no FCC involved! Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.31/676 - Release Date: 2/8/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.31/676 - Release Date: 2/8/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] WA State WISPS
We negotiated a contract with DNR and they are sticklers about some pretty weird things. They wanted a web cam on their elk, eagle and bull moose sites, oh and they wanted it for nothing. I said let me use that tower to resell business to DOT for traffic cam and control They said their policy is I can't derive revenue from something on state land. I finally got their legal department to resell but their terms were ridiculous and they still wanted percentages. Finally they said our county government is going to come out here and under the law we feel we have better footing working with other government agencies. The laughable thing is they will likely end up paying a bundle to the county for the service compared to what was going to be basically free/trade with us. Government, sigh. I am a bit curious where you operate from, I didn't know their were other WISPA members besides myself and Marlon in Washington. Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 1:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WA State WISPS Anyone? ryan D. Ryan Spott wrote, On 2/13/2007 4:43 PM: Hello all! I am looking at leasing space on the ground or on a tower owned by WA State Department of Natural Resources. When I look at the leasing brochure they list wireless broadband providers and cellular telephone carriers as a you must negotiate rate. So.. do any of you have existing leases? Are you willing to share ballpark figures for leasing space? Thanks! ryan ps: I joined and already posted this to the WA State WISPA list.. --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.39/687 - Release Date: 2/14/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.39/687 - Release Date: 2/14/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Reseller Program
Does anybody have a Reseller agreement that they use in computer stores to sign up Internet with commission? I'd sure like to look at a boiler plate I could use to modify for our usage. Thanks, Forbes winmail.dat-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Marlon and WISPA
I just wanted to let the list know that Marlon from Odessa, WA came down today, a two and a half hour drive (too foggy for me to fly up and get him) and taught my new installers how to properly do couplings on coax and cat 5 plus helped us move two tower antennas. He did this for considerably less pay then anyone else but wanted to help another WISPA member. Every day I get more value out of belonging to this group, from Form 455 to this amazing generosity, all he asked was that if they have an emergency that taxed his resources could I help back. I'm a retired Fire Chief and it's so refreshing to hear someone in the Private Sector have the same approach as the Fire Service has for loaning each others assets when things get crazy. It's a testimony to the strength of our membership and the friendships that happen because of it. This has reinvigoraged me for this stressful business because when you feel your alone and the only one truly motivated for success then someone comes along that is the same its nice to have someone to talk to who can relate on our level. One note to Marlon, I know you saw me do some things that would make for good fodder on here but be warned I will fire back with my own.. lol! What a great friend and fellow WISP I have found with Marlon, bravo to all of you for doing what so many independent business owners never seem to do, get a long for the common good. Thank you, Marlon! Forbes Mercy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) President - Washington Broadband, Inc. http://www.wabroadband.com Yakima, WA (509) 853-0858 winmail.dat-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] tv whitespaces filings
Well mine is: 2007223271862 so there! :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tv whitespaces filings I filed: **2007223902414** Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Good grief guys, there are only 12 new filings in the last week or so!! Why, in the name of God, would the FCC give a rats behind about our industry if we can't be bothered to talk to them? Listen, the new rules get made according to the WRITTEN record! Our trips to the FCC are great and we both learn a lot, but when it comes time to make regulations they go to the paperwork that's been filed! EVERYONE here needs to file personally. Here's my confirmation :'2007223682035 Just go to this link: http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi Put 04-186 in the top left box and follow the instructions to voice your opinions on what the FCC should do with the soon to be opened up tv bands! All you have to do is till them to make the bands unlicensed, no auctions, no registration etc. Say more if you want, but we really need to drive home the unlicensed idea. Get off your hind ends guys! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/699 - Release Date: 2/23/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/699 - Release Date: 2/23/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Final Form 477 Consideration
Marlon, Prior to submitting my 477 today I want to ask you what we are trying to get out of the report. While I have over 500 wireless customers we sell the service as 128k even though 90 percent of them get over the 256 the feds ask about, but that's not what we're selling. In reality we only have 15 customers committed to over 256K. Am I trying to say Yes I can do over that amount? or here is what we actually sell. You tell me which would be better to report. Thanks, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/705 - Release Date: 2/27/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
I'm in a rabble rousing mood today so I vote that if you don't fill out your Form 477 you are OUT of WISPA right after you got kicked out already for not have all stickers on your equipment. Stiring the Pot just for fun, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc the hazard of having a sense of humor is not leaving space in your mind for those who don't winmail.dat-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
17 pages of instructions and no where does it include the address, fax or email to return the Form 477. Where did you guys send it and how did you send the 'required signed' by email? Forbes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 7:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today Don't think it made it to the isp-wireless list George Rick Harnish wrote: Kris Twomey wanted to remind everyone that FCC Form 477 is due today. Thanks. I know some of you have been spreading the word on the FCC Form 477. It's due tomorrow and all WISPs should be filing it. It'll only take 10 minutes to fill out but the info is vital for the FCC to know that the WISP industry is alive and growing. WISPs can't expect the FCC to create useful rules if they don't know how many WISPs there actually are. http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/data.html Kris __ Kristopher E. Twomey www.lokt.net -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/707 - Release Date: 3/1/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/707 - Release Date: 3/1/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
Oh god here we go again with a ton of emails saying we are breaking the law. I have never signed mine and the FCC has gladly accepted past filings. I think the FCC would rather just have something filed and since they are all lawyers do seek more then some are willing to give but with a precedence of accepting just the report and not one filed letter stating otherwise lets not make this another technicality argument. We are doing what 75% of our industry aren't - we file our report, end of argument until they get uptight and make a point of enforcing it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 2:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I've never signed mine. Just emailed it. Technically, then, it's not considered filed. You have to either mail or fax the Certification Statement (i.e. page 14 of the instructions), in addition to either emailing or snail-mailing a floppy or CD with the spreadsheet. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/707 - Release Date: 3/1/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/707 - Release Date: 3/1/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] news
When did ClearWire do an IPO? They were private from the beginning then they were about to do an IPO and Intel and Motorola bailed them out with the cash they needed. If they went public it's news to me. Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Peter R. Sent: Fri 3/9/2007 8:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] news Clearwire IPO'ed and got $600M, twice the price of the BellSouth spectrum. EarthLink is buying the Corpus Christi wi-fi network for $5.5M. ELN will market TIVO. -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ winmail.dat-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Calea - how to reach Ken
Ken never called me back and here is one big deadline today, anyone know how to call him? Forbes From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of wispa Sent: Mon 3/12/2007 10:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ? On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:07:33 -0400, Rick Smith wrote Is there anywhere online that actually states WHAT we will need to provide ? I.e. data format, etc. - It was my impression that this was still under discussion at the FBI... There is a specific data format, called LAES, which is an acronym for something or other. As best I can tell, this format costs a license fee if you wish to program something to use it. Thus, NO OPEN SOURCE IS POSSIBLE. http://www.askcalea.net/standards.html Please note, there is no entry for ISP's here. That's because CALEA compliance requirement is merely a reversal of opinion by the FCC less than 12 months ago - May 2006. If you dig into CALEA deeper, you find a requirement for all (switching) equipment vendors to be compliant. Technically, this requires all WISP equipment vendors to be compliant, too. That would mean that Trango, Deliberant, Motorola, Alvarion, etc, would all have to build CALEA compliance into thier equipment if they, in any way, do any data routing or manipulation. SBC / Linux based equipment cannot be made compliant until someone pays the licensing and writes the closed source application, and then we all buy it. Potentially, this could raise the price of WISP gear a lot. Frankly, the more I read this, the more I am convinced that if this industry is to survive this absolutely IDIOTIC nonsense, we're going to have to go back to Washington DC and tell them THERE IS NO WAY we can conform to laws written for the telco. The language is wrong, it doesn't translate, the standards are wrong, they don't hold, it's like demanding that the railroads conform to airline laws, or vice versa. The FCC is just making this crap up as they go, CALEA has no provisions that make the slightest bit of sense for ISP's, and we need to tell them this in clear and unmistakeable terms. Frankly, I'm all for WISPA, Part-15 and whoever else, polling the members for a consensus that says we officially tell the FCC to reverse their decision, and that must go back to Congress, and get laws written to cover us, AND MONEY TO PAY FOR IT, or we'll just refuse. At the prospect of having 500, 1000, or 3000 ISP's refuse, and absolutely NOT having the means of taking down (much less withstand the public outcry) everyone, they'll be forced to do the right thing. Further, someone needs to educate them, that this kind of intercept is NOT, and I mean, NOT necessarily going to provide them squat. For almost no effort, anyone can obfuscate the data going through a TCP/IP connection, and you will NOT capture anything useful. VPN's can be encrypted and even a VOIP call through it would be untraceable, untrackable, undecipherable, and I'll bet that even the FBI cannot break many encryption methods in use today. Further, it's relatively trivial to multi-home your data transfers, which means you won't get what you think you're after, and the subject's data will be incomplete. CALEA made sense for law enforcement purposes for the telcos, but it's woefully out of data and the notion of alligator clip type listening device tap for internet based communications is sadly ridiculous. unfortunately, that's what they're trying to do. CALEA envisioned restoring the simplistic voice recording that used to happen when we had simple copper wires carrying sound across them in analog form. CALEA was the response to switching and telcos transporting that voice digital. That was deemed adequate for CALEA from 1994 to 2002 when the FCC suddenly said that CELL phones had to comply. Gee, they existed when CALEA was written. They think that they can just expand the notion of the 'tap' to a technology light years away from what CALEA applies to as written. It cannot be done without re-writing the rules of networking, the internet, and the public's freedom to communicate, as well. We as an industry owe it to ourselves and we, as citizens, owe it to our country to JUST SAY NO!. It's bad governance, bad business, bad misuse of technology...not to mention, just plain wrong for them to take on an impossible task, and require US to foot the bill for their experimenting. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Mark Koskenmaki Neofast, Inc Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains 541-969-8200 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ winmail.dat-- WISPA Wireless List:
RE: [WISPA] tower for sale in Va.
It's not the cheap tower price, it's the shipping that will kill ya. Forbes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] tower for sale in Va. Looks similar to Rohn65 JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 12:26 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] tower for sale in Va. http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?auctionId=1164434convertTo=U SD Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.14/727 - Release Date: 3/19/2007 11:49 AM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.14/727 - Release Date: 3/19/2007 11:49 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.14/727 - Release Date: 3/19/2007 11:49 AM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Wireless System Valuation
I'm in the final stages of selling my WISP and the valuation I set was one year gross plus cost of infrastructure outside of radio's. This includes land, leases and structures. It's a lot better for WISP's then it is for ISP's who are getting about 6 months gross income, period. It wasn't hard to find a buyer and they even commented that I was letting it go at a pretty low price, DAMN! I just didn't want to be the guy who says I have 500 customers so I want 1.2 Million, dream on. Forbes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wallace Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 6:50 AM To: WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Wireless System Valuation To all, What is the best method for determining the value of a Wireless Internet System??? Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] test
Was told to test, so here the test is... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] High Speed Legislation
Any WISPA or non-member viewer of this list in Washington State should go to http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=6438year=2007 and familiarize yourself with a pretty far reaching attempt of our legislature to expand, educate and require reporting from all high speed Internet providers. Deadline for comment on the record is 2/26/08 to the registry clerk of Water, Energy Telecommunications Committee. Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. Yakima, WA [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] T- minus 1 hour
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[WISPA] Ubiquiti List
WISPA ANNOUNCES NEW UBIQUITI LIST WISPA is happy to announce a new user list in conjunction with the popular Ubiquiti Wireless product line. The Board of WISPA monitors the members and general lists and based on the traffic generated by Ubiquiti products feels it should have it's own discussion list. As not all members use this product we have to weigh their comments of too much discussion on specific topics so the members and general lists can be used for shorter thread subjects. Ubiquiti's senior technician Michael Ford will be monitoring this list and, we are pleased they have chosen to be an active member on this list considering their own forum at ubnt.com http://ubnt.com. To sign up for the Ubiquiti list you can go to: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users. Participation is not limited to members and it's hoped that non-members in the General list will consider this another benefit brought by WISPA in consideration of having you join this organization. All we ask is that you follow the etiquette rules for lists under WISPA supervision. Several other vendor members who generate large discussions have their own lists and you can see those at our main web site wispa.org http://wispa.org. We look forward to having your participation in discussion to help your technical needs and suggestions for potential improvements to this already fine product. Forbes Mercy WISPA Board Member Promotion Committee Chairman WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
According to Maxim, which us single guys still get to read :) women like nerds more, good women anyway. Its no insult at all, I spent the same amount of time on those games in my youth and Matt's Galaga is my fav, maybe we can have the St. Louis WISP dig one up for the hotel at our upcoming Regional Meeting. Oddly once I owned an ISP I didn't seem to want to play games anymore, the sad off-shoot of being on the computer too much but have no fear the closet gamer is in all of us or it's doubtful we'd love this business so much. Go get some nerdy glasses and see if your wife likes role playing, lol, happy Friday! Forbes On 5/21/2010 8:58 AM, Robert West wrote: That's a moment that any man can be proud of. LOL! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man I used to spend 12-15 hours a day playing this. I think I wore out several Atari 2600 joysticks. I am not a gamer as my fast twitch muscles were not fast enough for games faster than Pacman. My wife was not aware of this past history and foolishly challenged me to a Mrs Pacman table-top game at a bar one night. She played her turn... and then I played mine for ~2.5 hours. I had a crowd around me. Her jaw was on the floor, she just muttered what she thinks is an insult: I married such a nerd. :) ryan On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Jack Ungerjun...@ask-wi.com wrote: But dd... Robert West wrote: Stop playing Google Pac Man and get back to work! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
Oh great thanks for that image, now I'LL be afraid to fall asleep. :) On 5/21/2010 9:32 AM, D. Ryan Spott wrote: Go get some nerdy glasses and see if your wife likes role playing, lol, happy Friday! GREAT! *Insomnia City* Now every time I close my eyes I will have Forbes in nerd glasses 'role playing' :P happy dreams everyone! ryan On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: According to Maxim, which us single guys still get to read :) women like nerds more, good women anyway. Its no insult at all, I spent the same amount of time on those games in my youth and Matt's Galaga is my fav, maybe we can have the St. Louis WISP dig one up for the hotel at our upcoming Regional Meeting. Oddly once I owned an ISP I didn't seem to want to play games anymore, the sad off-shoot of being on the computer too much but have no fear the closet gamer is in all of us or it's doubtful we'd love this business so much. Go get some nerdy glasses and see if your wife likes role playing, lol, happy Friday! Forbes On 5/21/2010 8:58 AM, Robert West wrote: That's a moment that any man can be proud of. LOL! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man I used to spend 12-15 hours a day playing this. I think I wore out several Atari 2600 joysticks. I am not a gamer as my fast twitch muscles were not fast enough for games faster than Pacman. My wife was not aware of this past history and foolishly challenged me to a Mrs Pacman table-top game at a bar one night. She played her turn... and then I played mine for ~2.5 hours. I had a crowd around me. Her jaw was on the floor, she just muttered what she thinks is an insult: I married such a nerd. :) ryan On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Jack Ungerjun...@ask-wi.com wrote: But dd... Robert West wrote: Stop playing Google Pac Man and get back to work! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
OK this thread is very interesting and with it being PacMan's 30th it would be cool for you to vote on your top two favorite Arcade Video Games so I put together a survey, a little Friday Fun. It's two questions and I'll post the results Monday. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/8KHW9YS Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Survey Results
So I took a survey and 39 of you responded with your answers. The first choice was Galaga and the Second Centepede. I appreciate your help, we will be integrating them into the Regional Meeting happening July 21/22. Thanks for your help in guiding our decisions. 1st ChoiceGame2nd Choice 2 Pacman 3 11Galaga 1 2 Gorf0 2 Donkey Kong 1 2 Centepede5 1 Asteroids 3 2 Asteroids Deluxe 0 1 Dig Dug1 0 Space Invaders 1 0 Lunar Lander0 2 Missle Command 2 1 Zork 0 2 Ms. Pacman 0 3 Frogger2 2 Donkey Kong 2 1 19423 1 Defender 1 2 Zaxxon 0 1 Tron 1 Other notes: Zork was never a stand up game (oops), Galaxian (pre Galaga), Tempest (I remember that one, the flapping wings right?) Anyway, thanks for your help and filling out the survey, made for an interesting Friday. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Short-range NLOS question
Hello Shaddi, We hope you find the technical guidance you seek on here and further invite you and other non-members to visit our technical forums available from wispa.org for vendor specific information. You mentioned you are on a tight budget so I wanted to quickly point out how far the $250 annual membership fee goes. Hundreds of WISP's have invested in WISPA and the payback has been nearly $90,000 in funds being spent just this year on Legislative and FCC efforts to free up more frequencies and to make rules friendly for the many independent WISP's in our industry. In addition an upcoming Regional Meeting July 21-22 in St. Louis with a very low entrance fee will help us to network and learn much more intensively over a two day session. As are a non-member we have included annual membership in the entrance fee for people who would like to join WISPA. Talk about more bang for your buck, we invite you to join our organization and perhaps your lurker could turn into a participant in our collective of making this industry better for all. If you have further questions about our organization please feel free to email me. Thanks, Forbes Mercy Promotion Committee Chair for...@wispa.org On 5/28/2010 7:48 AM, Shaddi Hasan wrote: Hello WISPA, I'm a lurker on this list that is interested in the WISP industry but still learning every day (a lot from you all!), so please forgive my ignorance. :) I run a small community wireless network in a low-income apartment complex; we're currently using Open-Mesh OM1Phttp://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=OM1Peq=Tp=%20's with 7dBi omnis to provide coverage to a couple hundred families in about 25 buildings. For reasons that aren't relevant to this discussion and can't be changed, we may only place our mesh AP's inside resident's apartments (this is an all-volunteer operation, run on a shoestring with a small grant). We can place AP's outside on people's windows, but we have to be discreet. There's one section of the complex that we haven't been able to get coverage to. It's in a bit of a depression, so the tops of the buildings in the hollow are about even with the first floor of the ones higher up. We have a gateway for our mesh there, a CLEAR WiMax connection, that never stays up (we have another one on top of the hill that does stay up, but would that there were another WISP in our area...), so we are thinking about building a P2P link between that section of the complex and our gateways elsewhere, a few hundred feet away but blocked by part of this hill and several buildings. Because we're on such a tight budget, I wanted to solicit yall's advice before we made a purchase. We were thinking about using a a couple 5Ghz Ubiquiti NS's, but I'm not sure how well that will work given the lack of LOS. We were also thinking about looking for some inexpensive 900Mhz devices, but I'm not sure if that's overkill for what we're trying to do. We're not trying to get free consulting from you all, but if anyone has any pointers that might help us make a better decision or fix this problem they'd be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Shaddi WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp
My favorite is those damn PS3 customers. If the PS3 servers sense even one time-out or several pings above what they want the customer calls screaming that we are at fault. It's forced us to follow our network back until we found a switch causing the intermittent time-outs (about one every 15 minutes or so). I guess I should be thankful that they caused me to diagnose our network finding a potential problem but I have to admit my first feeling is why don't you get a damn job instead of playing games all day... OK so that thought isn't so realistic but if Sony had a better software solution I wouldn't get these daily calls for my customers $59/month account, heck almost no other console gives me the heartache that PS3 does. On 5/27/2010 10:26 AM, Bret Clark wrote: On 05/27/2010 01:23 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: and the customer who does perpetual speed tests and as soon as he doesn't get his speed ( even though he knows it is best effort and not dedicated) wants you to come out. Wait a minute we have that customer too...so he's using you for a connection as well ;)! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp
How ridiculous is this thread? Why wouldn't Jack have some fun with your 'title' name since its obviously false. And for those who act like we're insulting a new member we're not stupid, his name is Jason Philbrook not dinkle whatever and if he chooses to use a goofy name he opens himself up for a little teasing back, that's how it works in the 'we don't all have a thin skin' world. If Jason wants to be a member its because, as he's already shown in his interest in weening knowledge from our membership, there are a lot of reasons to join WISPA. This feigned sense of taking offense over something that's not even real is boring and unnecessary, move on to a more humorous Friday thread instead of trying to make Jack feel bad. On 5/27/2010 9:43 AM, finkle dinkle wrote: Thanks for the suggestion about changing my name, I'll be sure to download the forms, submit them and change my name to Jack Ungerton. Well, I know the capabilities of a NanoBridge M5 now as I've tested it for a friend but it was done for two buildings around 500 feet in distance. Is something as basic as a NanoBridge M5 doable or if you start getting into the commercial sector, do you start requiring better equipment ? I haven't been on a roof in a long time so I dont clearly remember what is visible from the top but I'm sure it's a lot. I just want to be able to provide decent pricing to the people and businesses here with symmetrical bandwidth. I haven't had time to figure out administrative costs and how I could provide support if there are any issues though. I would love to have something set up to provide service for a radius of a few miles but I'm not sure that's something I should be messing with. I pretty much am curious on if I were to sell a few hundred megs, what type of devices and how many devices at what cost will it be ? Thanks On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Randy Cosbydco...@infowest.com wrote: Sheesh you guys, you're scaring him AND making fun of his name. Welcome to the club :) -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ As knowledge increases, the verdict of yesterday must be reversed today, and in the long run the most positive authority is the least to be trusted. - Hugh Nibley WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How the FCC Proposes the Regulate Broadband
I nominate Matt Larsen to serve on the panel for USF at the Regional Meeting! Wouldn't it be interesting if Tom was on there to? I'd go just for the debate! On 5/28/2010 12:39 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Tom, Thank you for asking your questions - I have some awesome answers for you. 1) Alaska. Alaska does indeed have an infrastructure problem. Alaska also receives an enormous amount of federal support already along with substantial revenues from their natural resources, mainly oil and gas. These Americans would not be left out in the cold - communication wise - if they took some of their massive piles of money and built out their infrastructure. Right now, the Alaska Permanent Fund - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund - has 28 Billion dollars in it, and is primarily used to pay an annual dividend to Alaska residents. I'm pretty sure that money would go to better use if Alaska used that to pay for their communications infrastructure needs instead of expecting the residents of the lower-48 to pay for it. 2) Rural Telco Failure. I have a really hard time believing that a rural telco could fail, but I guess it could happen. In that scenario, I would suggest that the government set up some kind of a trustee operation that maintained the operation of the telco until a buyer could be found. I live in a very rural area, and the majority of the rural ILECs here are swimming in money from USF, and have very successful unregulated subsidiaries that operate outside of the normal regulatory environment. With all of the recent advances in voice switching and remote broadband deployment, the residents of a community with a failling telco would be better off in the long run if the telco was allowed to fail and someone else was able to come in and rebuild with more modern equipment. This is a little tricky, but could be addressed in a more efficient manner than what we are seeing now. 3) Mobile Phone Coverage. There is a really simple answer to this one. There are buildout requirements in cellular licenses that the federal government grants to mobile carriers. They have been effectively lobbbying to get USF money to build out and meet those requirements. Even so, rural cellular coverage is awful. USF has been the carrot to incentivize rural wireless buildouts - now it is time to try the stick. Rural carriers that don't build out, or only build out the areas with with Interstates and highways (for roaming traffic) without building out to the sparsely populated rural locations lose their licenses. This will lower the value of the licenses in rural areas to the point where smaller competitors could feasibly buy licenses and compete. It would also substantially reduce the amount of spectrum warehousing that goes on in rural areas. No need to throw money at this problem, just enforce the existing laws and modify the requirements so that there is less redlining of the more profitable portions of their license area. I think that the idea of pitting the New Jersey delegation against the Alaska delegation is fantastic. Why should people in NJ be paying for phone services in Alaska? I would like to close with an illustration of what goes on with USF. USF is attached to every access line, and looks pretty innocuous on a single line phone bill. However, when I was running a dialup ISP and we had several hundred lines coming into our system, that USF cost was in the $3000/$4000 range every month. Especially frustrating was that one of my main competitors was the unregulated subsidiary of a nearby rural ILEC that was receiving a ton of USF money, had access to low interest capital from USDA and was receiving reciprocal compensation for terminating phone calls to their ISP system. In my mind, that $4000/month was going right to them to compete with me.Their subsidiary did not receive the money directly, but it paid the salaries of their staff and generated traffic into their system to generate more money. It also allowed them to either buy or bid up the price on 700mhz spectrum for a big chunk of the state of Nebraska - and they are only deploying service in part of it. Also paid the salaries of the people on their staff that do nothing but fill out government forms and apply for grants from federal and state sources, and that money was used to compete with multiple private operators. I had to file about 40 or so broadband stimulus protests against one of the wireless carriers in our area that receives USF money because they wanted to get MORE government money to upgrade their network. That is what USF money goes to. Kill. It. Now. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 5/28/2010 10:36 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Matt, Although I agree with most of what you say, specifically there are huge risks that USF will just go straight to the Cellular carriers to build out more
Re: [WISPA] Talk about A Geeks Geek ...
Victoria, All I can say is WOW, nice job... and he really said that about WISPA? WOW! Forbes - Original Message - From: St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 11:40 AM Subject: [WISPA] Talk about A Geeks Geek ... Thank you WISPA for posting the article about yesterdays Rural Summit: http://www.wispa.org/?p=2458 I actually felt like a 'groupie' yesterday when I met Aneesh Chopra, the first CTO of our nation and advisor to President Obama. I read about Aneesh last year on O'Reilly Radar: http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/04/aneesh-chopra-great-federal-cto.html Yesterday I was fortunate to meet and speak with him. He is the 'Geeks' Geek' for sure, and let me tell you WISPA, he knows all about us! When I told him that St. Louis Broadband was a member of WISPA, he immediately asked what our 'cost per houses past was' I stated, $847, but that includes a NOC and a first class data center. He then stated to Administrator Adelstein ...These are the people you should fund. These WISPA folks know how to make it work and make it work for less... (I don't know if he was referring to our project directly but I do know he was referring to the 'know how' and 'pioneering spirit' of our members. I also took this time to tell him that the FCC is all wet in their reporting that the WISP can only deliver up to 1.5 Mbps (as reported on broadband stimulus documentation). I stated that the reason they are relying on this number is because most 'rural WISPs' can only afford costly T1 service and that is why the number was low. I also gave him the information on a lot of the good products WISPs use, i.e., Motorola, Dragonwave. He was very impressed. Just know WISPA that we are on the White House radar ;-) Best, Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.comhttp://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.comhttp://showmebroadband.com/ 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband St. Louis WISP since 2003 SBA Certified WOSB CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and deleting or destroying the e-mail and any attachments without retaining any copies. Thank you for your cooperation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
