Re: [WISPA] email black lists
Any ISP running their own DNS and mail server needs to be subscribed to dnsstuff.com. Many many great DNS tools not only to test your DNS server entries on your own server but also to check how servers see lookups against your machine, to do spam db look ups and many other neat tools. Another feature they offer is RBL alerts if your mailserver gets RBL listed (gives you fast information so you can take care of a issue quickly before it goes way out of control). Plus you have their DNS alert feature so that it will automatically detect any issues without you having to run tests each time something is changed or in some cases with things break without you knowing it.. If you run your own DNS server and mail server then this will be your best spent $220 a year. I used their site for many years way back to when it was free service for the lookup tools. I tried to do without when they went pay but quickly signed up because it was invaluable to me. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tim Kerns Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] email black lists Marlon, Also try this site http://whatismyipaddress.com/staticpages/index.php/is-my-ip-address-blacklis ted it looks on several list for you. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: [WISPA] email black lists Hi All, We had a customer get a virus and it took us a couple of days to find out who it was. I'm off of all of the black lists that I can find, but I still can't send to a large number of companies. Hotmail, Key Bank, Frontier Net, Shaw etc. Is there a hidden black list out there somewhere? Is the a Barracuda thing or something? I'm going nuts trying to get email fixed! Here's an example of the bounce I get. All seem to be very similar, close enough that I think the same mechanism is being used by them all. idcmail.shaw.ca [24.71.223.11]: 554-idcmail.shaw.ca 554 Your connection from 64.146.146.8 has been rejected due to poor reputation. Any ideas? thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Father of Wireless Broadband on Water
Now that one will go down as a classic. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:59:11 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Cc: memb...@wispa.org; 'Motorola Canopy User Group'motor...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Father of Wireless Broadband on Water WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
First thing that comes to my mind reading your post is that you installed a higher gain antenna which means your vertical beam is going to be narrower (sometimes higher gain is not always better). Being that you installed the antenna with the same down tilt angle your missing the mark because you have a narrower vertical beam. As for the VSWR nothing really considered too low. If your VSWR is higher then 1.5:1 then you have a problem for sure. Personally never used or tested TT's 15-124 antenna but have sold a few of them with no complaints on it as far as I know. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Performance I picked up a Teletronics 15-124 19db horizontal antenna for testing and deployed it in place of a Tranzeo 16db Horizontal (TilTek?), using same pigtail and radio. With the clients on this sector, the AP side is the same, but the CPE receive side seems to have suffered with this larger antenna. Nothing was changed other then the antenna, aimed to the exact same degree, tilted the same percentage of vertical tilt, and so forth. I'm thinking the antenna isn't very good, or it's VSWR is too low and I'm getting some power reflected from the antenna. Anybody have experience with this antenna, or these scenarios? I expected this bigger, more expensive antenna to gain all across the board. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
Don't run them without antenna connected. Very sensitive there. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:41:15 To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards Does anyone have an opinion on the mikrotik R5H cards, particularly compared to the ubiquiti cards? lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: 5/8 Heliax is the largest diameter you can use for 5.8 GHz. LDF4.5-50 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: David Hulsebus cont...@portative.net Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:18:39 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards I've put in Heliax 1/2 through 1 1/2 cable for 900 and 2.4 I've had some success with 5.8GHz at less than 100ft, never tried it any further either though - it's not within Andrews specs. I believe they provide attenuation data to 2.4 GHz. For 5.8 GHz I use their eliptical Air Heliax cable, I first inherited some when we purchased an old fm radio station tower. I almost got their 900MHz 8ft dish too, but they wanted as a backup for their new tower site as they use it to transmit their music to the tower from the station about 20 miles away. Never lost a radio due to rf issues. It is more up front but protects our more expensive transmitters very well and keeps us from climbing regularly. I'll put Mikrotik boards on a tower or tank with POE and if I loose one I'm not out thousands. I use external antennas and lightning arrestors. We also use APC ethernet surge protectors on all gear at a site, once out of the POE towards coming towards the switch and another prior to entering the switch port. Dave Hulsebus Josh Luthman wrote: Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8? Or 900? On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also. Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be by my house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to have to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at night now then I use to a few years back... :) Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards Augh..4 bucks a foot. What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put a 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having the radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the ground. BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :( So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I could have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier? I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna outside way up there! On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal power. You can get what you need out of the minipci card. You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you get them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere. Titan Wireless is an excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with. I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo/Pac Wireles Horizontal Omni 13db
We have them in stock. http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=ODH24-13eq=Tp= / Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 12:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo/Pac Wireles Horizontal Omni 13db I need a replacement omni and probably a backup, anyone know where these are in stock, or have some used laying around they might part with. Just around 13db and Horizontal, bigger is fine too. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo/Pac Wireles Horizontal Omni 13db
Yes it is. / Eje -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 2:08 PM To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo/Pac Wireles Horizontal Omni 13db Eje, Is your website's stock quantity update lived based on web orders and/or phone orders? On 6/12/09, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: We have them in stock. http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=ODH24-13eq=Tp= / Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 12:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo/Pac Wireles Horizontal Omni 13db I need a replacement omni and probably a backup, anyone know where these are in stock, or have some used laying around they might part with. Just around 13db and Horizontal, bigger is fine too. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo/Pac Wireles Horizontal Omni 13db
I agree there I prefer myself when I buy things online to know if it's in stock and if I buy quantities I prefer to not only know if it's in stock but also how many is in stock. NS2's are on their way to us. / Eje _ From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 2:27 PM To: e...@wisp-router.com Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo/Pac Wireles Horizontal Omni 13db Thank you. Thank you thank you thank you thank you. Thanks. I am really fond of distributors that do that. Saves both your time and mine. Please get some NS2s =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Yes it is. / Eje -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 2:08 PM To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo/Pac Wireles Horizontal Omni 13db Eje, Is your website's stock quantity update lived based on web orders and/or phone orders? On 6/12/09, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: We have them in stock. http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=ODH24-13 http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=ODH24-13eq=Tp= eq=Tp= / Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 12:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo/Pac Wireles Horizontal Omni 13db I need a replacement omni and probably a backup, anyone know where these are in stock, or have some used laying around they might part with. Just around 13db and Horizontal, bigger is fine too. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards?
The think here just to throw my 2 cents in. If you have a policy and you constantly let slide no judge will let you reinforce it. We know there are 100's of used cisco resellers out there that don't pay any transfer license fees or make customer pay for such a one. I am sure Cisco is well aware of this to and case in point is if they do not go after then and not done for years their policy is mute because all the defendant have to do is show that this been going on publicly for years and the judge will dismiss the case. That is the danger of creating a policy and in a timely manner reinforcing it. However now if they been reinforcing it then it's another story. But as said would hate to have to be the first one to try to defend myself if it came to it. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:38:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cisco 7200 Gigabit Ethernet Cards? Matt Liotta wrote: [ more stuff about Cisco IOS licensing ] Apologies for the wall of legalese. From the Cisco EULA at : http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/general/warranty/English/EU1KEN_.html Customer shall have no right, and Customer specifically agrees not to: transfer, assign or sublicense its license rights to any other person or entity (other than in compliance with any Cisco relicensing/transfer policy then in force), or use the Software on unauthorized or secondhand Cisco equipment Cisco's terms of sale incorporate by reference the EULA, which incoprorates the software resale policy (as shown above), so the original buyer would definitely be in trouble. The second-hand buyer could be liable for use of Cisco IP (intellectual property, not the other IP) without a proper license; I don't know if there's any case law on this, but I'm in no hurry to set a precedent. Matt: Unless you have evidence to the contrary, I'm gonna have to stick with original assertion, that random second-hand Cisco gear can't legally be used. I wish I were wrong, but I'm afraid I'm right. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time Warner Tiers
They cancel those plans after big opposition and congress people trying to get a bill going preventing it. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Mike Hammett Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner Tiers Sent: Jun 2, 2009 09:47 I did some Googling, but couldn't find anything substantial. Does anyone have what the proposed Time Warner Cable tiers are? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers
Avoid any MFP unless you get extended warranty is a high end unit. To much that can and will go wrong. And as with any ink jet you need to print to them daily or risk having ink dry up and clog the heads. Stay laser. Had good luck with any HP laser model we use or I used in the past and the Xerox color lasers I have used. Xerox solid ink ones are pretty good as well costs to operate is little higher then laser but quality is better then laser and don't suffer from the ink jet problems. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:26:00 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT: Printers I have used HP printers for probably 15 - 20 years. The first printer (680c) probably still works. Anything we've purchased in the past 10 years has been garbage. The DeskJet 6940 just plain stopped working, HP replaced it with a 6980, which after 403 pages I hear is having problems. The OfficeJet 6110 had paper handling issues and stopped auto answering faxes. Replaced it with a 6310, which after 3000 pages had paper handling issues and uses incredible amounts of ink. I hear it has some fax issues as well. What printers are worth a damn? I was recommended to Dell laser MFPs, but I'm not yet sure on spending $500 on a printer if it's not going to be around. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers
If your looking for a MFP then Xerox got one think it's their 6180 can scan direct to e-mail, windows file share or ftp server. Works great. Very good color laser as well. They makes some of the best quality color lasers out there. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:34:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Printers I would love to find a scanner that will store the images to either a local media or a networked server... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I got a HP 6122 deskjet that has printed over 20,000 pages in the last 8 years without a problem. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT: Printers I have used HP printers for probably 15 - 20 years. The first printer (680c) probably still works. Anything we've purchased in the past 10 years has been garbage. The DeskJet 6940 just plain stopped working, HP replaced it with a 6980, which after 403 pages I hear is having problems. The OfficeJet 6110 had paper handling issues and stopped auto answering faxes. Replaced it with a 6310, which after 3000 pages had paper handling issues and uses incredible amounts of ink. I hear it has some fax issues as well. What printers are worth a damn? I was recommended to Dell laser MFPs, but I'm not yet sure on spending $500 on a printer if it's not going to be around. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
Actually I think you had some gel leak out of the cable and not water. Seen it numerous times especially after a warm summer when the gel gets liquefied one place have 180ft vertical 5 ft horizontal and about 15ft rolled up on a 1.5ft diameter and bottom feeding a cabinet. At the bottom under the cable I always find some sticky mess. Never any water tho. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:05:42 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling Quick note on Gel fil I had a link fed by outdoor direct burial Ethernet, and the cable came 8 feet down from the radio, went horizontally 50 feet, dropped 5 feet to inside penhouse roof, went horizontally100ft with several turns, then dropped 8 feet to wall cabnet. A mistake was made during install, and teh CAT5 was fed into the cabner from the top instead of the bottom. Once cable intere the cabnet it made a right angle to mid case, where it plugged into lightning protector (upward into the protector). Mounted in the cabnet below the lightning protector was a VLAN switch. At the radio, the 1/2 thick direct buriel fed into the trango radio pass thru. My point here is that there was 150 feet of horizontal cable and only about 20feet of verticle run. About a month later, we had a heavy rain. Several days later, the building's service went down. I went onsite, and a drop or two of water dripped down into one of the ethernet switch ports from the end of teh CAT5 at the lightning protector, and burnt/shorted out the switch. INside the trango radio was mostly dry except minimal dampness arounf the CAT5 cable. So... condensation caused some water to build up and drop into the CAT5 area, entered inside the CAT5 cable jacket at that point, traveled 150ft through the inside of the cable, just enough to short out my switch. So my point is Gell fill has a purpose. To add one more level of protection to stop water from travelling through the inside of the cable. Water can find ways to get it. The Gell will also keep the water seperated from the inside cable wires itself so the cable does not corrode or rust. Or that condensated water does not make it to the inner cables. With that said Gell Fill should not be used in areas where it travels in a plenum/ceiling area that builds up heat, where there is significant verticle length of cable such as telecom risers, where the CAT5 terminates in a space that is a traffic are, that needs to look clean, like a client's suite. The reason is that when the gel gets warm it starts to drip, and oose out of the end of the connector. It can drip into the CAT5 Jack, it can drip on the floor and wall, etc. And cable should always be going upward (drip loop) into a Jack, so gel would drip to a harmless space via gravity. If we are on a flat roof cell site, terminating in a penthouse, we'll usually use gel fill, for longevity. However, we'll usually prefer to use non-gel for other application, so its cleaner and easier to work with. Although the gel has a purpose, I'm not sure the reward is worth the hassle. I tend to first pick the needed diameter cable for the application. Second, the needed durrabilty for the job. Third, insist on being shielded, and select appropriate shield design for the job. I rarely give a darn whether it is gel or not gel, what ever the distributor has at the right price, that meets the other specs. If the cable actually is going to be used in a direct buriel type applciation where their is water buildup, for example barried in the gravel on a commercial flat roof, It would probably be advisable to us gel. There is higher risk of cable puncture, and water intrusion. Where as if there are places to tie off cable, such as to blocks on roof, or outside of conduit, anchored to wall, strappedd to gutter, etc I generally don't think the gel is needed. A good cable will last a real long time, without it.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling I've heard of people being afraid water would get inside the cable and that is the purpose of the gel. Can't say I've ever seen water in the line, but I know I have never looked! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: Wouldn't it be worse if water ran down the cable? On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: Gel filled on towers is a mess
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard Cases
http://store.wisp-router.com/customkititems.asp?kc=BP%2DDCEL%2DKiteq= CNC drilled mounting plate with metal standoffs and screws. Or of course buy it as a complete kit case and backplate. /Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:37:47 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard Cases Forgot to fill this in - you're going to need to mount the board to the enclosure yourself. I like using these: http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=FLIP-MIKROTIKeq=Tp= If you can meet the minimum order quantity: Part# 27MLAD0437TAB, microplastics 800-466-1467 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I really like these enclosures. Does a good job vs weather, 2 or 4 holes (same price) for N connectors or cat5/rj45 plugs (it comes with one, you can use the rj45-ecs) http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-4eq=Tp= You can find the exact same box for the same price at every MT distributor. No one will disclose who actually makes the box so I can't name it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Andrew Niemantsverdriet andrewniema...@gmail.com wrote: I have the need for an outdoor router. It needs to have two Ethernet ports. I am looking at the RB433 as the router but I need a suggestion for an outdoor case that will work having never used a RB433 before. Any suggestions? Thanks, _ /-\ ndrew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard Cases
I can tell you it's Laird (Pacific Wireless) who makes the case. They have a 2.4GHz antenna model as well a 900MHz model as well plus of course hinged lid version only. We have lot of those in stock. They come with one RJ45-ECS. /Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:34:36 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard Cases I really like these enclosures. Does a good job vs weather, 2 or 4 holes (same price) for N connectors or cat5/rj45 plugs (it comes with one, you can use the rj45-ecs) http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2eq=Tp= http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-4eq=Tp= You can find the exact same box for the same price at every MT distributor. No one will disclose who actually makes the box so I can't name it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Andrew Niemantsverdriet andrewniema...@gmail.com wrote: I have the need for an outdoor router. It needs to have two Ethernet ports. I am looking at the RB433 as the router but I need a suggestion for an outdoor case that will work having never used a RB433 before. Any suggestions? Thanks, _ /-\ ndrew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Love my Blackberry Curve. With T-mobile they can automatically do UMA. At my house all cell carriers have crappy signal but with UMA I have no problems with my Curve 8900. When we where. In Europe last summer we got international dataplan so we could do all emails we wanted and paid a small fee per mb of regular (none e-mail) traffic. If I needed to place a phone call just made sure I was on a wifi connection and turned off my cell signal for safety and made all the calls I needed just like I was at home (no extra charges just like I was in the states). Skype service with phone calling was announced a while back for Blackberries. Found a few sip clients but they where all tied to specific sip carriers service would be nice with a open sip client so it could be tied directly into our asterisk box. /Eje --Original Message-- From: George Rogato Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? Sent: May 26, 2009 17:12 Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Not sure what you mean with cell over wifi since you discarded the tmobile phones. They have their hots...@home phones (UMA) which will and can take advantage of a wifi AP and give you coverage where you might not have any or with the $19.95 monthly gives you unlimited UMA calls. In my house there is not a single carrier that gives any coverage worth much unless you like to stand in one place with phone at specific angle and do some magic tricks at the same times. But with the a hots...@home phone from T-Mobile I have now perfect coverage at home. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:28:25 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? Josh Luthman wrote: If you have Asterisk you just opened up nearly any Wifi phone to your system. SIP is so universal... Yeah, I have not been keeping up with cell phones. My own is 5years old...doesn't even have a camera or display caller id on the outside of the phone ;( A client was telling me he heard there was a cell phone that when not in range of the cell service could connect to ANYONES wifi. Hadn't heard that, seen the phones with skype and the t mobile cells, but not cell over voip. Which is why I asked here. So I take it there is no cell phone service that works off wifi as well? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability
Just as a side note here. For our new building we just moved into about 6mo ago we had to put up our inventory as collateral plus a bunch of other things. Even brand new unused equipment they would only give 10c on the dollar for our inventory based on our cost. Tried to explain until I was blue in the face that not a single piece of the equipment we have is obsolete and stock is being rotated at least for 90% of the inventory every 90 days or less and that if they would let us handle the sale in the case of a failure we would have at least 75% sold at cost or even small markup and be sold within 45 days. Remaining 25% would take probably another 90 days to sell at cost or at slight profit. But no go. Only thing I managed was to convince one of the senior bankers that he would buy the inventory at the 10c on the dollar personally and let me sell it and split the profit with me. Not like that is likely to happen but with that in mind I can see why a bank due to lack of knowled ge etc would use a WISP radio equipment installed all over the place as securement for a loan. After all your talking used equipment at 100's of locations most of the time not directly controlled by the WISP when they will only give 10c on the dollar for brand new equipment in box non which is older then a year and all being at one location in a building they own. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Jason Hensley jhens...@mozarks.com Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:49:07 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability Most lenders I've worked with really don't seem to even consider lending against recurring revenue as the recurring revenue is what they will use to justify to themselves, board, investors, and the FDIC that it's a reasonable loan. The recurring revenue is not really considered an asset because if the business goes south, the recurring revenue is gone and their left holding basically nothing but blue sky. Hard assets can be sold and at least recoup a portion of what they loaned the business. There are plenty of places out there that will do Accounts Receivables loans, but most of those seem to be kinda like the payday loan people. Big fee up front, and huge interest rates. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability I've never found a lender willing to lend against using the in-place used equipment as colladeral. It is the biggest double standard. I find it highly ironic that they'll use a car for colladeral that looses 50% of its value the day it leaves the lot, and has a rate of failure and risk of damage higher than just about any product on the market, and it has a huge cash burn (gas :-). but yet lendors won't put equivellent value on wireless gear, that holds its value, Ebay boasting easilly 50% after 3-4 years of use, even after fully depreciated. I'll never understand the lending market. The big difference is that a car loan is tied to your personal credit, just like a credit card, and very few are going to borrow $1 million for a car (while plenty here could easily use $1 million for their network) FWIW, every industry specific vertical (e.g., restaurants, medical devices, manufacturing etc) has the same problem when it comes down to infrastructure financing -- traditional lenders won't finance business-specific machinery -- rather, they only use stuff they know as collateral (e.g., real estate, cash flow) That said, when it comes down to cash flow, it's worth analyzing and understanding that most ISPs (specifically facilities based ones) are probably pretty short on cash flow given the fact that 1. the business is based upon a recurring subscription model where I invest (e.g., in CPE) to earn a residual contract (e.g., $50 / month service) 2. ISPs are generally cash-poor due to the fact that excess cash flow usually gets reinvested into the business (more infrastructure) An argument could be made that the most valuable assets of an ISP are the recurring contracts / revenue / etc -- and that's something that financial institutions understand (e.g., receivables / factoring) and ultimately, that's what an ISP is worth (some multiple of MRC) That said, I wonder if a case be made on financing secured by monthly recurring revenue...thoughts? -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] WISPA Website Updates
Great work guys. The website looks great. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:47 AM To: memb...@wispa.org; 'Motorola Canopy User Group'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] WISPA Website Updates If you haven't noticed, WISPA has a new website. It is a great improvement over the previous one and I would like to thank Frank Muto and the Web Design Committee for their work in this accomplishment. Hamrick Design from Columbus, OH did the actual design and upgrade work. WISPA would also like to thank him. There is still more work to do updating some of the pages but I think most will find that this sight is much easier to navigate. If you have a chance, go to the website and review it. Let us know what features and content you would like to see added. Matt Larsen's group at Inventive Media, are working on a radius authentication process to allow current members to log in and access protected information. This is not completed yet, but I would like to set a target date of July 1st to complete this members only library. You will also notice that WISPA has joined the Twitter revolution. The Board is encouraged to use Twitter to keep our members updated. The updates also show up on the right sidebar of the webpage. If you follow wispaboard on Twitter, you can receive instant updates to your cell phone. Respectfully, Rick Harnish WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Noise by me on a tower
Yes and on the data side on the poe as well. A total of 3 beads. /Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 22:42:22 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Noise by me on a tower I've got my beads! Should I put them on both end of the cable? -RickG On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, the beads are amazing! We're starting to use them on almost all tower installs. Supposed to help with lightning too. Though we've not had enough of that around here for a couple of years to really be able to see any difference. The worst part about the beads is getting the right ones! I'm still not sure we're using the right stuff. sigh Ours are big enough that we can (and do) wrap the cat 5 through them 3 turns. More turns is supposed to be better. Whatever it is, they've REALLY cleaned things up at my FM radio station site! Our customer compliant calls have dropped by 80 to 90% out there! Wish I'd have really understood what was happening out there 4 or 5 years ago when the new station went online. I always thought I was ONLY fighting the massive amounts of 2.4 gig interference in the area. That's still a problem, but much more easily dealt with than I'd ever have imagined. marlon - Original Message - From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Noise by me on a tower Ethernet crystal harmonics. The crystal on Ethernet is 25MHz. So your hitting them with the 9th harmonics. This bleeding is worst with PoE powered devices because it couples into the DC power over the cat5 cabling and if the power supply is not nice and clean it will couple into the AC system as well. I have been involved in certifying 4 radios in a FCC certification lab. Each time we ran into this problem especially when powered by PoE. A different power supply could make a huge difference but also installing ferried beads on the cat5 cabling (close to the radio port, directly after the poe device out port and directly on the poe data in port) cleaned up this emission. Using shielded cable will help on equipment that is picking up this radiated signal directly from the cat5 cabling but if it's bad enough and the powersupply isn't good enough the harmonics signal will go out into the AC source unless ferried beads been installed properly. On one of these devices I helped getting certified we had to make it mandatory to have these beads installed to be able to pass (product never made it to market). / Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Noise by me on a tower I have an odd situation, I have 2-2.4 180* sectors MT RB411 and 5-5.8 StarOS War1 backhaul radios and a RB600 router at the top of a 265ft old ATT microwave tower. The top has a grounded NEMA metal box and POE powered by an Allen Bradley converter. I have an AC and an Ethernet run to the base where I have a APC UPS. The owner just leased space to another client 20 Feet away on same level from me. It is a local REMC doing meter reading on 221Mhz. They were having problems with receiving they brought in a spectrum analyzer and there was a noise floor of -71 at 220Mhz. The tower owner being an radio guy not a wireless guy just killed power on the ups. (taking down all my stuff and locking up 1 one of the radios for an hour GRRR) When our equipment was off the noise floor went to -108. As soon as he powered me back up the noise returned. They actually said that there was noise from around 150Mhz to 240Mhz. Everything is grounded and cased in metal except the LMR that goes to the Antennas, the AC wire is in flex and the shielded Ethernet down the tower. Ideas? there might be a little noise off the oscillators of the War-1 boards but that's 175Mhz. The Ethernet is 100Mhz, RB411 300Mhz and RB600 266 MHz Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Only the manufacturer listed on the certificate can make that decision. The rules states that antenna of similar type in same or lower gain is certified but it's only the manufacturer that can make that decision what is considered similar type and there for approved to use with the unit. This is at least the feedback I gotten from the FCC testing lab I been working with on getting radios certified. But if the radio manufacturer say it's ok to use a similar antenna by a different manufacturer but not higher gain then what was tested the it's ok. Of course any antenna that is actual listed on the certificate will always be approved as long it's the same model. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:23 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC That was some ruling passed a few years ago that really freed the markets up. Certify with the largest panel, omni, parabolic dish, etc. you can get to pass and anything in those groups is fair game. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:24 PM To: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com; wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC I've been told personally by an FCC testing lab that I can take a XR5 which has been tested with say a 23db panel antenna (with FCC) and use the same gain antenna or less for myself and would not have to have it certified again... They told me not to get it tested because I didn't need to because Ubiquity already part certified it on that type antenna. If this is an argument we will never resolve I can live with that, but I am fairly sure with the resources on this list we can come to a final conclusion based on facts and I think we should. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:52 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC On May 12, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: Eje Gustafsson says this is not the case or elsewhen I buy a minipci wireless card for my laptop it would be illegal... This has been discussed at length. No matter how many times someone makes the laptop argument it doesn't change the fact that the FCC disagrees with that argument. Now someone could pay an attorney to argue with the FCC and get them to clarify the situation. Until that time the system certification requirement stands. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Cross roads are certified with the entire Pacific Wireless line of antennas. R52 is certified with most of those as well (if not all). You can also use XR2/5 cards in RB SBC's. There are other solutions as well. We offer some certified pre built solutions more to come. / Eje Gustafsson CTO WISP-Router, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC Old thread, but just curious where this has progressed. I've seen that JeffSoHoCo has certified gear. Is that based on the same Mikrotik program you describe here Mac? Is that information available from Mikrotik to any reseller? Randy Mac Dearman wrote: Word on the FCC certified gear is that they are working with USA based resellers to get them up to speed to offer certified gear. It's all in the paperwork at this point in time and we all know that the devil is in the paperwork. It is on its way from what I understand and should be readily available in the near future. Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC Mikrotik has the Crossroads device out now. Not sure on anyone else. I think Mikrotik developing their own certified CPE shut down everyone else. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:37 PM Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC Hi, I thought a little while ago someone was talking about someone that was working on making an FCC certified Mikrotik solution (RB532, etc.). Does anyone know the status on this or if it was even real? Travis Microserv - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
The SBC is a class B type device. Same thing as a computer motherboard or a video card. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Part_15_(FCC_rules)#B_-_Unintentional_radiators It's a component certification testing. No stipulations are placed on enclosure or other similar hardware. Basically it's a measurement of the device that it does not radiate above certain levels on certain frequencies and does not bleed signal onto the power grid above certain FCC specified levels. Part B is a manufacturer self compliance testing hence no FCC id but test report is needed to be supplied if requested by the FCC. The self compliance testing for the Routerboards are available at routerboard.com last time I checked (their website seems down at the moment). / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC Thanks for that answer. As usual, that brings up more questions for me. If I buy a Mikrotik RB411 card, it has an FCC logo on it, I assume because it passed some FCC radiation tests. However, I have no idea what enclosure that was tested in, if at all. Is there a place to look up this information? thanks, Randy Tom DeReggi wrote: There are multiple ways to certify equipment, which have different requirements. The new trend is to certify the card with the antenna, just like you were buying a certified wifi card off Best Buy's shelf, intending to install it in your thrid party laptop. However, we all know, by FCC's original intent, for full wireless system certification, the main board and Case are a relevent factor to establishing what the RF is comming out of a system. Without a case being defined, and voltage being defined, its pretty hard to determine, what the radiating RF outcome would be, unless the mainboard on its own. What also needs certification is Specific Main Board, in Specific Case, before a wireless card is even injected to the equation, because we are then looking at the interference the mainboard can put out on its own. Anyway, my point here is not to lobby for FCC Certification, just wondering what Enclosures the RBs have been tested in, and verified clean via a spectrum analyzer. This can be done indpendantly of the FCC, by anyone that has an analyzer. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC Can you explain what you mean by certified then? What does that entail other than just putting together a board, antenna and radio that are fcc certified? Do you have the entire unit tested and certified, or do yo see that as not necessary? Randy Eje Gustafsson wrote: Cross roads are certified with the entire Pacific Wireless line of antennas. R52 is certified with most of those as well (if not all). You can also use XR2/5 cards in RB SBC's. There are other solutions as well. We offer some certified pre built solutions more to come. / Eje Gustafsson CTO WISP-Router, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC Old thread, but just curious where this has progressed. I've seen that JeffSoHoCo has certified gear. Is that based on the same Mikrotik program you describe here Mac? Is that information available from Mikrotik to any reseller? Randy Mac Dearman wrote: Word on the FCC certified gear is that they are working with USA based resellers to get them up to speed to offer certified gear. It's all in the paperwork at this point in time and we all know that the devil is in the paperwork. It is on its way from what I understand and should be readily available in the near future. Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC Mikrotik has the Crossroads device out now. Not sure on anyone else. I think Mikrotik developing their own certified CPE shut down everyone else. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:37 PM Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC Hi, I thought a little while ago someone was talking about someone that was working on making an FCC certified
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
This is not true. Or else every minipci card would have to be tested and certified with every single laptop they are being installed into. A SBC or a laptop motherboard is a class B regulated device. If it passes the class B compliance testing your allowed to installed any FCC certified transmitter into said board be it a Wi-Fi card (mini-pci, pc card, pc express card) or for that matter a telcom modem card of any formfactor. When it comes to computer hardware FCC relaxed the regulations years back to have the Class B type devices that are self compliance testing to allow computer manufactures to market and sell computers without having to type certify the entire solution as it once used to be. This created the computer industry as we know it today where you can buy any motherboard, case, powersupply, video card etc that are each class B type certified (where appropriate required) and assemble into a complete solution and get a FCC certified telcom modem or Wi-Fi card and install it into the unit without requiring a FCC certification of the entire solution. If they had not allowed this easing of regulations every DIY computer guy, every small computer sales and repair shop in the US would daily violate the FCC regulations. A SBC board after all is a miniature all in on motherboard. / Eje Gustafsson CTO WISP-Router, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 2:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC There are multiple ways to certify equipment, which have different requirements. The new trend is to certify the card with the antenna, just like you were buying a certified wifi card off Best Buy's shelf, intending to install it in your thrid party laptop. However, we all know, by FCC's original intent, for full wireless system certification, the main board and Case are a relevent factor to establishing what the RF is comming out of a system. Without a case being defined, and voltage being defined, its pretty hard to determine, what the radiating RF outcome would be, unless the mainboard on its own. What also needs certification is Specific Main Board, in Specific Case, before a wireless card is even injected to the equation, because we are then looking at the interference the mainboard can put out on its own. Anyway, my point here is not to lobby for FCC Certification, just wondering what Enclosures the RBs have been tested in, and verified clean via a spectrum analyzer. This can be done indpendantly of the FCC, by anyone that has an analyzer. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC Can you explain what you mean by certified then? What does that entail other than just putting together a board, antenna and radio that are fcc certified? Do you have the entire unit tested and certified, or do yo see that as not necessary? Randy Eje Gustafsson wrote: Cross roads are certified with the entire Pacific Wireless line of antennas. R52 is certified with most of those as well (if not all). You can also use XR2/5 cards in RB SBC's. There are other solutions as well. We offer some certified pre built solutions more to come. / Eje Gustafsson CTO WISP-Router, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC Old thread, but just curious where this has progressed. I've seen that JeffSoHoCo has certified gear. Is that based on the same Mikrotik program you describe here Mac? Is that information available from Mikrotik to any reseller? Randy Mac Dearman wrote: Word on the FCC certified gear is that they are working with USA based resellers to get them up to speed to offer certified gear. It's all in the paperwork at this point in time and we all know that the devil is in the paperwork. It is on its way from what I understand and should be readily available in the near future. Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC Mikrotik has the Crossroads device out now. Not sure on anyone else. I think Mikrotik developing their own certified CPE shut down everyone else. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:37
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
On another note. To do a FCC certification of a radio it's not just to do the testing. Either you have to have approval from the original certifier to reuse their cert filing to create a new FCC id to which you add your antennas that been tested. Or you have to have a lot of documentation such as block diagram, electrical schematics and bill of material which you can not just make up and the radio manufacturer will not just hand over to you because that is pretty much the entire blue print to recreate the radio and of course they do not want just about anyone to have this info. MikroTik allows as you point out their resellers and dists to get their FCC approved labels (for their radios) to be attached to MikroTik (and FCC certified) approved solutions their resellers put together. Important to keep in mind when getting a FCC certification a label design have to be submitted and approved by the FCC. I been directly involved with e-zy.net to get their radios certified working directly with the FCC lab. I initially as well helped MikroTik with their first few full certified units (crossroads and R52's). So know what is required as well the time and costs to get it done. So I'm not just making up things doing this I learned way more about part 15 and class B devices as well intentional transmitters then I ever really wanted to know. /Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:32:09 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC On Mon, 2009-05-11 at 22:18 -0500, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs wrote: Yes, you can not certify the radios, MT wants the distributors to build and certify them. If you build them, they won't be certified. If Mikrotik has done the Part B certification for the boards, then your statement is not correct. Anyone CAN pay a certification lab for any combination of gear to be certified. Whether the lab certifies it or not isn't up to Mikrotik. What you cannot do is use the Mikrotik FCC stickers unless MT sells them to you or allows you to apply them to a combination that they have certified. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Response to the FCC Regarding Form 477
I know and feel your pain there. Luckily we do not have that many customers but 75% of our customer addresses does not geocode and we are doing something similar as your doing with #2 where the installers have to try to pin point the correct right location for the install. Pain is the installs done by installers that are no longer with us. I think its a great idea what they are doing but lack of proper automated query systems and in accurate address databases that can not handle the addresses we feed makes the progress harder and slow. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 10:49:41 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org; w...@part-15.org; Motorola Canopy User Groupmotor...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Response to the FCC Regarding Form 477 I thought I would share this email that I just sent to the FCC regarding the Form 477 report. I am late filing this report because we don't have accurate data and thought that my reasons why were worth sharing with my colleagues. I support what the FCC is trying to do with Form477, but was not able to in good conscience turn in our data by the report deadline. I hope that this is valuable to some of you out there. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com --- Hi Suzanne, I am not really in a position where I can give a projected date to have this information completed for you. However, I do feel it would be valuable to explain why and provide you and your management some more information as to why I am unable to give you a better date on when we intend to have it completed. For background, Vistabeam (Inventive Wireless of Nebraska) is a wireless ISP that covers about 40,000 square miles in Nebraska and Wyoming. We have around 2000 customers spread out across this very thinly populated area. Even though we are quite small in customer number compared to other ISPs, we have a very good billing and provisioning system and quite a bit of detail on our customers. However, we did not have census tract information for our customers as there had never been a need for it until the latest Form477 notice came out earlier this year. Once we received the Form477 notice, we made plans to modify our billing system to add the census tract information, which we were successful in doing. We also studied how to obtain geocoding information from multiple sources and how to integrate this into our database so that we could complete the report. Our initial integration seemed to be successful until we started to look at the geocoding data that we received and realized that over 50% of the census tract information was invalid. After going through this data, we found that many of the addresses we have for customers are simply not being processed and located correctly. The majority of our customers are in rural areas with references to “CR” and “Road xxx” and other rural address forms that the geocoding engines simply cannot process. Many of these rural counties do not have GIS departments with the ability to provide the geocoding information for these addresses. In the event that the address doesn’t code, the geocoding engine returns the census tract information for the nearest Post Office, which is not in the correct census tract. To get the correct information, we basically have two options. Option #1 is to drive out to every customer with a GPS unit and record the information into our system. Since we have approximately 1100 customers with inaccurate information, this is going to be a time consuming process and would cost us several thousand dollars to collect – not to mention the lost man hours. Option #2 is to go through each customer record and use Google Earth and the driving directions to each customer location to determine the census tract. This takes about five minutes per customer record, so we are looking at about 92 man hours to get that data assembled and inserted into our customer database. We have chosen to go with Option #2 to collect the invalid census tract data. However, I do not have the manpower to devote dedicated time to this data collection so we have distributed this project among several employees and are making as much progress as we can when our workflow allows for it. After a month, we are about 10% of the way through it. We are now entering our slower time of the year, so hopefully we will make a little bit better progress on it going forward, but I cannot make any guarantees on when we will get the data completed. This leaves me with a quandary – I can either provide you with timely, but inaccurate information that is going to skew your data, or I can take the time to get the information right. Unfortunately, 99% of the completed Form477 reports that you have received probably have a substantial amount of inaccurate data in them. II can send the inaccurate data that we have, and then you can check us off
Re: [WISPA] What do you charge for a wireless router setup?
Nope. Best Buy and they are still there. Circuit city called their Geek Squad copy cat service Firedog. But was to little and to late. Plus Best Buy made a better job on pushing and advertising their Geek squad plus had a better name and gimmick if you ask me that made them stick better then Firedog (kinda stupid name if you ask me. Name didn't really reflect what they did and stood for IMO). /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Joe Miller joemiller...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:00:38 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] What do you charge for a wireless router setup? Wasn't the GeekSquad working out of the Curcuit City stores? Where are they now? - Original Message From: Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 10:30:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What do you charge for a wireless router setup? They have to pay for the uniforms and stylish vehicles somehow. ;-) D. Ryan Spott wrote: Have you seen what geeksquad charges? http://www.geeksquad.com/services/computer/category.aspx?id=2567 Don't sell yourself short. :) ryan Pat O'Connor wrote: I was thinking a $35 fee for on site setup. A $20 fee if they brought the router in within 48 hrs of the scheduled installation date. Is this appropriate? What are the rest of you doing? Thanks, Pat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handling Non-paying Subs
I would give them a deadline then if not paid on that day shut of their service. We wouldn't let them be much over a week overdue. In small claims you can file not only for the court fee but also a reasonable amount for your time having to prepare the case, filing and court time. We done this in the past but for computer payments not for internet payments since we shut down service within a few days after they are due. In the rare cases where it's been a billing issue where we forgotten or not gotten out bills we have asked for monies or simply cut our losses since it was our own mistake. Had one client that we had not gotten setup to bill because the accounting person had not been told by the installer that the install was done. Unfortunately we had provided service for almost a year to this customer before a routine users vs bill was done. We settled with them nickels on the dollar for service. But at least we did get some. We now do these routine checks much more frequently to avoid any such issues. /Eje /Eje --Original Message-- From: Chuck Hogg Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Handling Non-paying Subs Sent: May 4, 2009 08:40 I've got a few non-paying subs, that we would like to get payment on. It has reached over $1k from 4 subs over the past 6 months. Do you just cut your losses and move on or what do you do? I'm contemplating small claims court as it should be an open and shut case, but it's $91 in fees per person. We've done the collection letter and it hasn't worked. We got the please don't turn it off, I'm coming to pay...and it never happened. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Speaking of ferrite..
A month or so ago I sent out a link to item on Mousers website. You could get it from Digi-Key as well but I like mouser better and their website is easier to work with as well. Just go to mouser.com and do a quick search for ferrite bead or ferrule. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:35 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Speaking of ferrite.. What's a good source? I'm about out and am not sure where we got our last batch from. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Sector separation/isolation
Keep in mind that this is not necessary true depending what chip set the card is using. For example the SR2 cards will always listen to 20Mhz even if they only transmit on 10MHz or even 5MHz. While for example a XR2 set in 10MHz mode will only listen to 10MHz. /Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 11:40:31 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sector separation/isolation Right now channel 1 uses channel 1, 2 and 3. Channel 6 uses 4-8. When you go to 10MHz channels 1 will use 1 and 2. 6 will use 5, 6 and 7. Therefore, you are no longer on adjacent channels, there is a gap of channels 3 and 4 between. Also, you will cut down on the amount of other noise you hear because you listen to only half as much spectrum. And, you will have more effective power so noise may be less of a problem. I am sure there are some RF savvy folks out there that can explain it better. Michael Baird wrote: I can try that, can you tell me why that would make a difference though with the AP's seeing each other at such signal levels? Will changing to 10mhz channel width's cause the AP's to see each other at a lower RSSI? Regards Michael Baird Use 10mhz channels instead of 20mhz. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Sector separation/isolation We are still experimenting with aligning sector's on our towers. We are attempting to use 3 120 degree/13db/6.5 vb/7 degree downtilt, antennas to cover 360 degrees. I just inspected the towers myself, and noticed they are setup at 30 degrees/150 degrees/290 degrees (so they aren't right exactly). So the problem that caused me to inspect the tower was the signal level I can see the other AP's at. AP 30 can see AP 150 at -39 and AP 290 at -42. AP 150 can see AP 30 at -42 and AP 290 at -70. AP 290 can see AP 30 at -39 and AP 150 at -65. So I'm guessing that the reason 150/290 are much higher is because of the additional 20 degrees between them. These AP's are on channels 1/6/11, I'm wondering if I should worry about seeing the other AP's with such a hot signal, and if so what are some good ways to isolate them better. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.323 / Virus Database: 270.12.13/2091 - Release Date: 05/01/09 17:52:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Crude dictionary attack via ssh
Those attacks been going on for years now. I create on our core router long time back that will detect successive new ssh connections and block the source ip for 30minutes. Works very well. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 18:22:22 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Crude dictionary attack via ssh Spotted this a few minutes ago on one of our back-end servers. Didn't work, but worth noting. Tom S. May 2 01:05:12 QORVUS1 sshd[21728]: Illegal user lieu from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:13 QORVUS1 sshd[21730]: Illegal user lilly from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:15 QORVUS1 sshd[21739]: Illegal user linda from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:17 QORVUS1 sshd[21751]: Illegal user ling from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:18 QORVUS1 sshd[21754]: Illegal user lionel from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:20 QORVUS1 sshd[21761]: Illegal user lis from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:22 QORVUS1 sshd[21763]: Illegal user lisa from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:22 QORVUS1 kernel: multicast May 2 01:05:23 QORVUS1 sshd[21765]: Illegal user liv from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:25 QORVUS1 sshd[21768]: Illegal user liz from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:26 QORVUS1 sshd[21806]: Illegal user liza from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:28 QORVUS1 sshd[21808]: Illegal user loan from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:30 QORVUS1 sshd[21810]: Illegal user logan from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:31 QORVUS1 sshd[21812]: Illegal user lois from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:33 QORVUS1 sshd[21814]: Illegal user lok from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:35 QORVUS1 sshd[21817]: Illegal user loki from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:37 QORVUS1 sshd[21819]: Illegal user lola from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:38 QORVUS1 sshd[21821]: Illegal user long from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:40 QORVUS1 sshd[21823]: Illegal user lorena from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:42 QORVUS1 sshd[21825]: Illegal user lorene from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:43 QORVUS1 sshd[21827]: Illegal user lorenzo from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:45 QORVUS1 sshd[21830]: Illegal user lorna from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:46 QORVUS1 sshd[21868]: Illegal user lotus from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:48 QORVUS1 sshd[21870]: Illegal user lou from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:50 QORVUS1 sshd[21881]: Illegal user louis from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:51 QORVUS1 sshd[21888]: Illegal user luca from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:53 QORVUS1 sshd[21891]: Illegal user lucas from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:55 QORVUS1 sshd[21906]: Illegal user lucian from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:56 QORVUS1 sshd[21912]: Illegal user lucky from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:58 QORVUS1 sshd[21917]: Illegal user lucy from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:05:59 QORVUS1 sshd[21921]: Illegal user ludwig from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:01 QORVUS1 sshd[21923]: Illegal user luigi from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:03 QORVUS1 sshd[22065]: Illegal user luis from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:04 QORVUS1 sshd[22069]: Illegal user luke from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:06 QORVUS1 sshd[22089]: Illegal user luna from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:07 QORVUS1 sshd[22110]: Illegal user lupe from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:09 QORVUS1 sshd[22112]: Illegal user luther from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:11 QORVUS1 sshd[22114]: Illegal user luz from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:12 QORVUS1 sshd[22116]: Illegal user ly from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:14 QORVUS1 sshd[22118]: Illegal user lyn from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:15 QORVUS1 sshd[22121]: Illegal user lynda from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:17 QORVUS1 sshd[22123]: Illegal user lynn from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:19 QORVUS1 sshd[22125]: Illegal user lysa from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:20 QORVUS1 sshd[22127]: Illegal user mac from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:22 QORVUS1 kernel: multicast May 2 01:06:22 QORVUS1 sshd[22129]: Illegal user macy from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:24 QORVUS1 sshd[22131]: Illegal user mae from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:25 QORVUS1 sshd[22134]: Illegal user pwla from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:27 QORVUS1 sshd[22172]: Illegal user mama from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:28 QORVUS1 sshd[22181]: Illegal user maeko from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:30 QORVUS1 sshd[22190]: Illegal user magda from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:32 QORVUS1 sshd[22192]: Illegal user maggie from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:33 QORVUS1 sshd[22204]: Illegal user mai from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:35 QORVUS1 sshd[22214]: Illegal user maia from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:36 QORVUS1 sshd[0]: Illegal user makoto from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:38 QORVUS1 sshd[3]: Illegal user mallory from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:40 QORVUS1 sshd[5]: Illegal user mandy from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:41 QORVUS1 sshd[7]: Illegal user marc from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:43 QORVUS1 sshd[9]: Illegal user marcel from 213.165.154.53 May 2 01:06:44 QORVUS1 sshd[22232]: Illegal user marco from 213.165.154.53 May 2
Re: [WISPA] Crude dictionary attack via ssh
I do it on my core router and block their ip access to any service on my entire network and not just ssh on the linux box itself but any other possible attack vector they might throw on any system with public ip. Don't think that they will only attack and test ssh ports. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Rogelio scubac...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 18:31:41 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crude dictionary attack via ssh Josh Luthman wrote: Install DenyHosts and those go away. ditto http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/ http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/faq.html http://www.howtoforge.com/preventing_ssh_dictionary_attacks_with_denyhosts DenyHosts is a script intended to be run by Linux system administrators to help thwart SSH server attacks (also known as dictionary based attacks and brute force attacks). If you've ever looked at your ssh log (/var/log/secure on Redhat, /var/log/auth.log on Mandrake, etc...) you may be alarmed to see how many hackers attempted to gain access to your server. Hopefully, none of them were successful (but then again, how would you know?). Wouldn't it be better to automatically prevent that attacker from continuing to gain entry into your system? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Noise by me on a tower
Ethernet crystal harmonics. The crystal on Ethernet is 25MHz. So your hitting them with the 9th harmonics. This bleeding is worst with PoE powered devices because it couples into the DC power over the cat5 cabling and if the power supply is not nice and clean it will couple into the AC system as well. I have been involved in certifying 4 radios in a FCC certification lab. Each time we ran into this problem especially when powered by PoE. A different power supply could make a huge difference but also installing ferried beads on the cat5 cabling (close to the radio port, directly after the poe device out port and directly on the poe data in port) cleaned up this emission. Using shielded cable will help on equipment that is picking up this radiated signal directly from the cat5 cabling but if it's bad enough and the powersupply isn't good enough the harmonics signal will go out into the AC source unless ferried beads been installed properly. On one of these devices I helped getting certified we had to make it mandatory to have these beads installed to be able to pass (product never made it to market). / Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Noise by me on a tower I have an odd situation, I have 2-2.4 180* sectors MT RB411 and 5-5.8 StarOS War1 backhaul radios and a RB600 router at the top of a 265ft old ATT microwave tower. The top has a grounded NEMA metal box and POE powered by an Allen Bradley converter. I have an AC and an Ethernet run to the base where I have a APC UPS. The owner just leased space to another client 20 Feet away on same level from me. It is a local REMC doing meter reading on 221Mhz. They were having problems with receiving they brought in a spectrum analyzer and there was a noise floor of -71 at 220Mhz. The tower owner being an radio guy not a wireless guy just killed power on the ups. (taking down all my stuff and locking up 1 one of the radios for an hour GRRR) When our equipment was off the noise floor went to -108. As soon as he powered me back up the noise returned. They actually said that there was noise from around 150Mhz to 240Mhz. Everything is grounded and cased in metal except the LMR that goes to the Antennas, the AC wire is in flex and the shielded Ethernet down the tower. Ideas? there might be a little noise off the oscillators of the War-1 boards but that's 175Mhz. The Ethernet is 100Mhz, RB411 300Mhz and RB600 266 MHz Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB333/433 eliminating self-interference test
On the remote sites it's so true.. I have one site that got a horizontal omni that is picking up signal at -89 from a WISP who's closest tower is over 35miles away. Also at one point had one horizontal omni at a 70ft tower site connected to another horizontal omni at a 120ft tower site about 8 miles I would guess apart (mind you our trees in this area are between 30 and 60ft tall so the 70ft tower is barely over the tree tops and there is a high ridge between that tower and the 120ft tower. I had that same 70ft tower connected to a 60ft tower that had a 9dB horizontal omni about 4 miles away. In any of the omni to omni connections the signals where not great and throughput was max about 1-1.5mbit.. But this came in handy at one point when a backhaul to the 120ft tower went down I hooked the two omnis together and customer had internet connection albeit not very fast but they where online while we fixed the problem. I love the 62% magic it's so much fun to see things work that you figured would not be able to work yet it does... But I dislike the 50% science when you know/think something should work and it doesn't just to figure out there is an issue like when we first deployed 900 just to learn that noise floor in vertical was -58 to -64. Of course none of the links that hit in on -70'ish would work. Durn science.. Wish could found a black magic trick besides replacing the ap antenna to horizontal and go rotate the few cpe's we manage to get online to this ap. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB333/433 eliminating self-interference test We used to see that a lot in the old Lucent AP1000 and similar units. Two radios in the same case (at least they were 6 or so apart). Many that used them a lot had to switch to radio versions that had no built in antenna (even if the antenna were turned off). And someone, um, dang, can't remember who, even had a custom metal shade built in a way that it would clip onto the outside of the radio and give more rf insulation. Out here I've found that even using the same BAND for backhaul and distribution doesn't work nearly as well as using different bands for each service. And far too many operators still think that higher power is the answer to all problems. When what we should really be doing is running LOWER power and making up for it with bigger antennas at the client end. When we dropped our amps and went from 4 watt sites to 1 watt (often less) sites we more than doubled out speeds, even at 15 to 18 miles ptmp! This is possible because the new radios have such high receive sensitivity. Wanna know what you're doing to yourself with your OWN noise? One day put one of your APs into client mode. You'll likely be shocked at how many of your own APs you pick up and how far away they are. Especially when using sectors vs. omnis. I have one site that has a 13 dB sector that can see an AP that's putting out a mere 1 watt. The two systems are roughly 30 miles apart! I didn't even know that they had line of site! It's crazy stuff. Interference is very real. We are usually our own worst enemy. We have a competitor that's starting to loose customers to us (luckily most of our competitors do a pretty good job so churn, both ways, is pretty low, good for the industry's reputation...). I just pulled a customer from him. His tower is about 8 miles from them. On a 19dB antenna they picked him up at -60 dB. I calculate that as a 43dB output on his AP!!! That's basically a 1 watt amp with a 12 dB omni. The legal limit is 36 dB or 4 watts. If we figure that every 3 dB is double the wattage this then becomes: 39dB is 8 watts, 42dB is 16 watts, 43dB is somewhere around 20 watts! He's nearly 7 times the legal power limit! There are two major problems with this. First and most important to him is that his service is starting to really suck. He's got ap's all over hell and high water and they are ALL over powered like this. At least the ones that I've detected are. I've left him to self destruct because he's not been too much of a problem to my network (yet). By using very good gear and intelligent designs we're able to (mostly) ignore him. But he's undoubtedly causing massive problems for himself. Speeds on his system were 1.5 down and .5 up. The other problem is that I can, at pretty much any time, shut him down with a complaint to the FCC. Well, they'll not likely shut him down, but they WILL investigate and make him drop back down to the legal levels. And once they do that he'll be forced to replace CPE all over the place because the customer's antennas will no longer be big enough to handle the range he's designed into his system. So his services suck (based on HIS customer's calls to US) and he's just begging to be slapped
Re: [WISPA] 1 AP and 2 antennas
When you use a splitter you loose 3dB in signal (hal you power since it's being split). If that is ok then you could do so. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Adam Goodman Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 1 AP and 2 antennas Sent: Apr 24, 2009 08:49 Hi, I would like to set up 2 antennas (East and West more or less) but will not get more than 30 subs between the 2. I would like to connect both antennas to one AP. Normally, I would not even dream of doing this. However this is a small valey with low interferance. And all the subs will be very clse, peobably less than a quarter mile from the AP. I am planning to use 900MHz for this. So I guess this would be a device that would connect to the AP with one COAX and then connect to each antenna with a COAX. So, 3 N connectors. Has any of you done this, did you have success, and what is the device called, and where would I get it? Thank you, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Can a village levy a tax on my AP's?
Talk with your CPA. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:55:44 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Can a village levy a tax on my AP's? I recently set up an AP on a nearby village's water tower and they are now sending me income tax papers saying I need file with their village. Our office is not in their village and I don't live in their village so I see no reason for filing. The only thing that ties me to them is the lone AP on their water tower. I am on 3 other city's water tower's in the same area and none of them have said anything about filing with them. The contract between the village and I states nothing about taxes or exchange of money for using the tower. 1 - Is income derived from clients residing in the village limits taxable as income? 2 - What about income derived from clients residing outside the village limits but running off the AP in the village limits? 3 - Even if so, why do the other ISP's that provide service to residents in the village not have to file income tax to this village? 4 - By filing income within the village I would technically be paying tax on income from all my towers generating revenue that have nothing to do with their tower. As far as I know there is no ordinance regarding internet service within the village in any way. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded?
Well as it stands to day it will not be able to because one of the requirements is continuously looking and detecting radar signatures. In their current implementation they only look for a short period after the interface been enabled but before it start transmitting. Next time it will look is if you change the interface settings or reboot the unit. DFS requires continuously checking and honestly I am not sure that 802.11 based hardware could do this without hardware modifications. But then I'm not a hardware engineer and not perfectly well versed with all requirements with the DFS protocol. I just know there are some people that tried to use MT to get a DFS certified solution and it failed to pass the requirements with the exception when it saw radar directly after the interface was enabled. From the looks of things it really never looks for radar signatures again after it gotten its initial good to go. Is it possible to change the functionality in MikroTik to comply with DFS2 requirements on a software level/driver level without hardware changes I do not know. Just that as it is today it is a clear no go. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded? Eje, The way DFS is designed in MT it will never be able to get certified. Pleasse elaborate, thats a strong statement. If it were true it would means that the DFS limit was hardware or 802.11a protocol based, because software ALWAYS has the option to be changed and modified to meet a specific requirements. I agree that MT's current DFS2 support would not pass FCC certification. But I don't see why it couldn't be expanded to be certifiable. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded? And 5.2 is not allowed for outdoor usage. So Franks unit is an indoor unit I would suspect he is suffering from multipath reflections. Besides on the radar stuff.. The way DFS is designed in MT it will never be able to get certified. First of it must continuously look for and detect radar not just when it first enable the interface. Secondly it at least did a horrible job in actually detecting radar signatures. Besides 5.2 is not part of the band you can use even with a certified radar detecting device. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - LTI Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 3:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded? Part of the 5.2 band. All of the radar patters are in MT, just not certified. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Gino Villarini wrote: 5180.hmmm!!! Not to bust anyones head but you are using an uncertified device on an illegal channel Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Apr 20, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Gino - Top right corner. Did the CPU just jump or has it casually been like that? I've never had 5 radios in any board, I don't know if that would cause a lot of usage or not. Most any MT box I've seen is 5% CPU. A lot of NAT as was mentioned would be the first place I'd look. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: Is this doing any NAT? Is connection tracking enabled? Do you have all unneeded packages disabled? We have a few RB600's out there and they do fine for the most part, we don't do any wireless on the 600's and all of them
Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded?
Not so sure about the smart comment. Keep in mind it took the FCC until very recently to make up their mind how to properly test for radar. MikroTik have had the DFS feature in for some time (well before the DFS2 requirements) was even close to final iteration. When they had come out with their DFS feature even the big FCC test labs had no procedure in place to test DFS. So for seeing so early in their adaptation they got burnt. Interesting and smart question is rather why have they not come out with and updated version is it because it's not doable or are they just simply working on it. I do not know. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:25:00 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded? Besides the fact that MT should be smarter than to work on a feature that was not possible to achieve from the beginning... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:19 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded? Eje, The way DFS is designed in MT it will never be able to get certified. Pleasse elaborate, thats a strong statement. If it were true it would means that the DFS limit was hardware or 802.11a protocol based, because software ALWAYS has the option to be changed and modified to meet a specific requirements. I agree that MT's current DFS2 support would not pass FCC certification. But I don't see why it couldn't be expanded to be certifiable. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded? And 5.2 is not allowed for outdoor usage. So Franks unit is an indoor unit I would suspect he is suffering from multipath reflections. Besides on the radar stuff.. The way DFS is designed in MT it will never be able to get certified. First of it must continuously look for and detect radar not just when it first enable the interface. Secondly it at least did a horrible job in actually detecting radar signatures. Besides 5.2 is not part of the band you can use even with a certified radar detecting device. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - LTI Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 3:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded? Part of the 5.2 band. All of the radar patters are in MT, just not certified. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Gino Villarini wrote: 5180.hmmm!!! Not to bust anyones head but you are using an uncertified device on an illegal channel Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Apr 20, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Gino - Top right corner. Did the CPU just jump or has it casually been like that? I've never had 5 radios in any board, I don't know if that would cause a lot of usage or not. Most any MT box I've seen is 5% CPU. A lot of NAT as was mentioned would be the first place I'd look. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: Is this doing any NAT? Is connection tracking enabled? Do you have all unneeded packages disabled? We have a few RB600's out there and they do fine for the most part, we don't do any wireless on the 600
Re: [WISPA] using multiple 5.3 cards in a Mikrotik
on Antenna placement, well thats easilly controllable by a field tech at time of installation. But what I'm concerned about is knowing that the radio system itself is made to be non-ninterfering internally. From a remote management perspective, its going to be painful tracking which radio systems have to be how far apart in channels to not interfere troubleshooting on-the-fly, without some baseline stats defined a head of time. So this brings me to three questions of higher relevence. 1) What do we need to do to guarantee that two cards can co-exist and be used on adjacenet channels without interference at the radio card hardware level (not including antenna placement factors that could allow intference) 2) Has anyone actually used a Spectrum Analyzer or Noise meter to actually measure the RF bleed between to mounted cards? With accurate results of what the interference levels are? 3) Would WISP members be interested in contributing to a small fund to pay someone to actually accurately measure the results for us? I'd like to specifically know for the 433 board. If using the higher quality MMCX w/ single antenna port cards (MT brand card), will 10Mhz of channel seperation be enough, to get two 5.3Ghz channels operating correctly? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded? And 5.2 is not allowed for outdoor usage. So Franks unit is an indoor unit I would suspect he is suffering from multipath reflections. Besides on the radar stuff.. The way DFS is designed in MT it will never be able to get certified. First of it must continuously look for and detect radar not just when it first enable the interface. Secondly it at least did a horrible job in actually detecting radar signatures. Besides 5.2 is not part of the band you can use even with a certified radar detecting device. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - LTI Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 3:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded? Part of the 5.2 band. All of the radar patters are in MT, just not certified. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Gino Villarini wrote: 5180.hmmm!!! Not to bust anyones head but you are using an uncertified device on an illegal channel Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Apr 20, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Gino - Top right corner. Did the CPU just jump or has it casually been like that? I've never had 5 radios in any board, I don't know if that would cause a lot of usage or not. Most any MT box I've seen is 5% CPU. A lot of NAT as was mentioned would be the first place I'd look. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: Is this doing any NAT? Is connection tracking enabled? Do you have all unneeded packages disabled? We have a few RB600's out there and they do fine for the most part, we don't do any wireless on the 600's and all of them have the 564 daughterboard in them. -Kevin Neal -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 12:50 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] is this router overloaded? I have a RB600 here that I've taken a screenshot of. No interfaces are bridged, everything is routed and I'm noticing some lag in the traffic that passes though this device during peak use. I suspect that the 41 RIP routes might have something
Re: [WISPA] Wimax 802.16d v 802.16e
Unfortunately for reason I don't understand (because what you say to me as well seems to make more sense) they measure by spectral density power strength. So you can only do so much power per MHz. This of course means just what you say the wider channel your allowed to use the higher power levels you can accommodate. Since you have more spectral space to do the power in. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:29:57 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax 802.16d v 802.16e Chuck, That is defiantely a plus now. But isn't that like a false advantage in the long run? With only 20-30Mhz of spectrum, will it stay noise free for long? in .16d you get to use 1 watt per MHz of channel size. How much watts per Mhz for 16e? On a side note, anyone know why FCC decided to reward people using larger channels with more power? Wouldn't it have been more politically correct to reward those that used smaller more efficient channels with higher power, to give them a reason to be more efficient? I'm sure there is a technical reason, that I don't understand, yet. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax 802.16d v 802.16e On Apr 21, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Michael Baird wrote: Have you deployed it? From my initial research, it appears that the bigger vendors Motorola/Alverion are supporting the 802.16e variety, while the smaller vendors such as Tranzeo are supporting the 802.16d variety. I'm aware of the advantages at the Mac Layer, but why would 802.16d at 3.65 with a slightly higher EIRP at 7 mhz channel spacing have better range then 802.11 variants at 2.4? Noise. You should get, iirc, a 20 db lower noise floor at 3.65. Also, (again, iirc), in .16d you get to use 1 watt per MHz of channel size. So with a 7 MHz channel you have 7 watts to work with. The noise floor alone is worth 100x the power, and the extra EIRP is just a bonus. Chuck The 802.16d unit specs I've looked at don't appear to scale much higher then the 2.4 units, but 802.16e appears to have the 2x2, 4x4 antenna tech that it seems would make a big difference at range. What's the magic that makes 802.16d work better then 802.11 variants as far as coverage, with essentially the same power but at a higher frequency? Regards Michael Baird Here is the quick answer: 802.16d is a fixed only technology (no mobility) which performs quite well for delivering broadband to homes and businesses. Highly available. Secure. More expensive, more scalable and somewhat higher latency than similar fixed technologies based on 802.11 and other proprietary systems similar to 802.11. Most prominently used in 3.65 GHz in the US. Heavily used in 3.5 GHz in international areas where no copper plant has been installed previously. Unique feature of this technology is the ability to provision service flows with predictable performance criteria. This enables SLA provisioning on wireless broadband virtual circuits and many other advantages over any other broadband platform (wireless or wired). 802.16e is a fixed and mobile platform. This is being used now in 2.5 GHz licensed band in the US and elsewhere. Very little has been done to take full advantage of mobility in this band. More expensive to deploy than 802.16d. Higher latency than 802.16d. This is a direct competitor to LTE systems for cellular. If you do not hold an exclusive licensee in 2.5 GHz then this is not likely an option for you at this time. For more input and more help take it to the memb...@wispa.org list for paid members and we can dig into it deeper including step by step instructions for getting your own 3.65 license and applying for locations. Scriv On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: I'm researching these two technologies and Wimax in general, does anyone have any firsthand experience with the two current different types of Wimax, or references to the differences in the two different types of technologies for broadband fixed rural deployments? Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded?
And 5.2 is not allowed for outdoor usage. So Franks unit is an indoor unit I would suspect he is suffering from multipath reflections. Besides on the radar stuff.. The way DFS is designed in MT it will never be able to get certified. First of it must continuously look for and detect radar not just when it first enable the interface. Secondly it at least did a horrible job in actually detecting radar signatures. Besides 5.2 is not part of the band you can use even with a certified radar detecting device. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - LTI Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 3:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded? Part of the 5.2 band. All of the radar patters are in MT, just not certified. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Gino Villarini wrote: 5180.hmmm!!! Not to bust anyones head but you are using an uncertified device on an illegal channel Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Apr 20, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Gino - Top right corner. Did the CPU just jump or has it casually been like that? I've never had 5 radios in any board, I don't know if that would cause a lot of usage or not. Most any MT box I've seen is 5% CPU. A lot of NAT as was mentioned would be the first place I'd look. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: Is this doing any NAT? Is connection tracking enabled? Do you have all unneeded packages disabled? We have a few RB600's out there and they do fine for the most part, we don't do any wireless on the 600's and all of them have the 564 daughterboard in them. -Kevin Neal -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 12:50 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] is this router overloaded? I have a RB600 here that I've taken a screenshot of. No interfaces are bridged, everything is routed and I'm noticing some lag in the traffic that passes though this device during peak use. I suspect that the 41 RIP routes might have something to do with it as actual throughput isn't that much sometimes topping out around 8Mbps. Just want to hear from others and if there is any suggestions on how I might speed this up let me know. CPU usage on it is around 40-50%. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DFS Radar Question
The Wi-SPY devices are fairly affordable. And they support remote monitoring both with Windows and Linux. So you could set one up in a small linux box that you leave on site and just let it log and you can view the data remotely from your Windows machine over the network or go and pickup the unit and view the log data that way. So will do just what you want. Also the frequency resolution the Wi-Spy devices offer is better then what I normally set my real SA on when I check out radio cards or check out signals. Very capable devices IMO there is no reason why a WISP shouldn't have at least one of these in their toolbox. I can understand why many do not want to buy a expensive spectrum analyzer for $3k+ for the simpler ones but in all reality be able to track down signal sources and interference as a WISP is a must. I know some people are using like Canopy SM's to do this but they interface is slow and clunky and don't log any data. / Eje Gustafsson WISP-Router, Inc. http://store.wisp-router.com/items.asp?Cc=WiFiToolsBc= -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 3:51 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DFS Radar Question I had some trouble with radar (think it was radar) last year. Interferences could be from many sources. It sa problem because you can't just go sit there for a couple of weeks with a spectrum analyzer listening for noise. It would be nice if there was a reasonably priced logger. Or with Internet connectivity. All this is probably a pipe dream as I have never seen anything with such functionality. On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Anyone know of a radio that can just listen passively and scan through channels and report back on radar signals heard on what frequencies? That would be a great tool to have to scope out certain areas of interest to know ahead of time what radar DFS issues might be present... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 4:30 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gell Cell? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded?
That is what I though. I guess some people are calling the 5250-5350 spectrum 5.2 which most people afaik dubbed the 5.3 spectrum? But I think most reading the list was under the understanding that we where talking about 5180MHz. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:45:01 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Cc: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded? To clarify 5150 - 5250 indoor 200mw eirp 5250 - 5350 outdoor 1w eirp dfs2 FCC certified Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Apr 20, 2009, at 4:51 PM, Kevin Suitor ksui...@redlinecommunications.com wrote: 5.2 is allowed for outdoor - the Redline AN-80i is certified for this band. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 4:39 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded? And 5.2 is not allowed for outdoor usage. So Franks unit is an indoor unit I would suspect he is suffering from multipath reflections. Besides on the radar stuff.. The way DFS is designed in MT it will never be able to get certified. First of it must continuously look for and detect radar not just when it first enable the interface. Secondly it at least did a horrible job in actually detecting radar signatures. Besides 5.2 is not part of the band you can use even with a certified radar detecting device. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - LTI Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 3:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] is this router overloaded? Part of the 5.2 band. All of the radar patters are in MT, just not certified. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Gino Villarini wrote: 5180.hmmm!!! Not to bust anyones head but you are using an uncertified device on an illegal channel Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Apr 20, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Gino - Top right corner. Did the CPU just jump or has it casually been like that? I've never had 5 radios in any board, I don't know if that would cause a lot of usage or not. Most any MT box I've seen is 5% CPU. A lot of NAT as was mentioned would be the first place I'd look. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: Is this doing any NAT? Is connection tracking enabled? Do you have all unneeded packages disabled? We have a few RB600's out there and they do fine for the most part, we don't do any wireless on the 600's and all of them have the 564 daughterboard in them. -Kevin Neal -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 12:50 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] is this router overloaded? I have a RB600 here that I've taken a screenshot of. No interfaces are bridged, everything is routed and I'm noticing some lag in the traffic that passes though this device during peak use. I suspect that the 41 RIP routes might have something to do with it as actual throughput isn't that much sometimes topping out around 8Mbps. Just want to hear from others and if there is any suggestions on how I might speed this up let me know. CPU usage on it is around 40-50%. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator
about 15watt total consumption from what you have there. 5w for the RB, then 5watt per radio card (actually little less but no more). /Eje --Original Message-- From: Brian Rohrbacher Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator Sent: Apr 19, 2009 14:55 I have a new tower site and the owner ask how much electric I will use. How can I calculate that? For now all I will have is one 24v 2amp power supply going to a rb433ah with an xr2 omni and a xr5 backhaul. I can roughly guess the price per kilowatt hr but I need to get an estimate on kw/hr first. Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator
about 15watt total consumption from what you have there. 5w for the RB, then 5watt per radio card (actually little less but no more). /Eje --Original Message-- From: Brian Rohrbacher Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator Sent: Apr 19, 2009 14:55 I have a new tower site and the owner ask how much electric I will use. How can I calculate that? For now all I will have is one 24v 2amp power supply going to a rb433ah with an xr2 omni and a xr5 backhaul. I can roughly guess the price per kilowatt hr but I need to get an estimate on kw/hr first. Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Proxim WORP Protocol
It's proxims own development of Karlnet. When Proxim and Karlnet had a falling out Proxim built their own version of Karlnet which they called WORP. It's based on a/b/g like Karlnet and for example MikroTik's Nstrem. Just they do not follow the standard a/b/g protocol when the information is packaged but the underlaying radio is a regular a/b/g radio. One of the advantage is that it has polling capabilities. No normal 802.11a/b/g equipment can connect to it. But a good 802.11a/b/g sniffer can see the frames but can not properly decode them. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:43 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Proxim WORP Protocol Anyone here know much about it? What are the improvements over standard 802.11 A/B/G protocol? Thank you in advance Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance on equipment
You guys do know that an insurance company is not allow to cancel or increase your premium for doing a claim with them. HOWEVER if it comes to light your doing things not disclosed to them when you got the premium or your business model have changed they can reevaluate your insurance and make adjustments or even cancel it. Read over your policies carefully before signing it and before submitting a claim. We had a carpenter that had to use his insurance for some water damage and his insurance agent tried to BS him and we called him up told him basically that he was a fraud and he better not even consider doing anything because that would violate the regulations. Yet today the carpenter still got insurance and paying same premium and he had to do a second claim about on it. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Chris T. part15li...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:59:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance on equipment We had a $30K claim last year with The Hartford after a lightening strike. It took a few extra weeks to get the money, but we did get it. And, they did not cancel our policy. I wonder what other's have had to claim, and how much money would define big. Crispin Tresp WiSpring, Inc. A Wireless Broadband Company 610 Main Street, Suite 2 Great Barrington, MA 01230 On 4/16/09 6:13 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What I have heard from other WISPs is that once you do a big claim they cancel your policy. I've heard it from multiple angels from multiple companies so I've always believed it to be true. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Charles Wyble char...@thewybles.comwrote: Why would one find another insurer? I do believe they can do a search on claims you have filed and charge accordingly. So changing insurers most likely won't help. Josh Luthman wrote: What we do and what I've been suggested is hold onto an insurance policy and use it when you really have to. If an AP or two and some CPEs go bad, don't claim it as it your rates will rise or the policy may be canceled. If you lost an entire tower and hundreds of thousands of dollars (or whatever size completely kicks your bucket) then claim it and prepare to find another insurer. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Alan Long alan.l...@aerowire.net wrote: All gear. Aerowire Alan Long Director of Network Operations alan.l...@aerowire.net 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 tel: 3342759998 mobile: 336092 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wyble Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance on equipment I'm guessing you mean AP gear and not CPE? Or do you mean CPE as well? Alan Long wrote: Anyone have information/experience with insuring your equipment against damage. My main concern is weather related damage. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.58/2062 - Release Date: 04/16/09 08:12:00 - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
[WISPA] twitter
I know this was talk about a while back (twitter.com). I know some of you guys are on there.. I would assume some of you guys have seen the race for 1 million followers http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10220629-93.html I think personally it would be very fun to see aplusk a regular individual win the race and beat CNN to 1 million followers. http://twitter.com/aplusk If only for the charity donations Kutcher (aplusk) is going to give to World Malaria Day and what EA in addition offers (not like it's a big thing they offer). So if your twittering let the small guy win over the big corporation.. =) After all that is what the we WISPs are all about. The small guy beating the big guys.. http://www.tweetrace.com/ BTW. Happy tax day.. Hope everyone got their taxes in on time or managed to file extensions.. Tomorrow it's to late.. / Eje WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Time Warner Tests $150-Per-Month Unlimited Internet
Not seen anyone post this article but think it is of interest to people on the list. http://www.informationweek.com/news/services/data/showArticle.jhtml?articleI D=216500302 http://www.informationweek.com/news/services/data/showArticle.jhtml?article ID=216500302subSection=News subSection=News / Eje WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] harmful RFI from ethernet to HAM RADIO?
Most ethernet ports are keyed by a 25MHz crystal. What you and others describe is harmonics interference from this crystal. Which is common unfortunately especially on poe based equipment. Sometimes in bad cases you have to as well put ferruls on the power cable to the switch/poe injector as well as multiple ferruls at each end of every cat5 cable used. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Gary Garrett ggarr...@nidaho.net Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:09:06 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] harmful RFI from ethernet to HAM RADIO? I went through this issue with a ham repeater at a mountain top tower. The repeater would key up and never let go as it saw some signal it thought was a user. I was in a metal cargo container and the repeater was in a frame building 20 feet away. I could turn off the ethernet switch and the interference would go away. I could leave the switch powered up and remove all the cat 5 cables to it and the interference would go away. It appears the ethernet switch was mixing several RF sources and emitting a sum or difference of the two (or more). I tried Ferrite rings on all cat 5 cables, shielded cable etc. Nothing really worked that well. Finally I moved 100' away to a different building on a different tower and no one is complaining now. Spacial separation seems to have fixed it. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Has anyone else here ever been co-located on a tower with a HAM radio (144-148mhz) VHF repeater or perhaps even a commercial system in the 150mhz band and gotten complaints that your Ethernet cable is causing them interference on their repeater? We are trying to locate the source of noise on an amateur radio repeater system locally and last time I went up on grain leg there was a whole lot of Ethernet cabling strung everywhere and I've read some links such as these. http://www.hamuniverse.com/linksys.html that apparently some brands of equipment give out much more spurious emissions than others. Also how did you work with the radio people to solve it? Seems to only be apparent in the VHF band. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] harmful RFI from ethernet to HAM RADIO?
Yes that would be ethernet. Gets some cable ferrules and put on the ethernet right next to the radio another right at the exit from the poe and another right as cat5 cable goes into poe and finally one right where the cat5 cable goes into switch and computer. Might also consider using heavy outdoor rated shielded cat5 cabling between poe and unit. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:56:12 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] harmful RFI from ethernet to HAM RADIO? Has anyone else here ever been co-located on a tower with a HAM radio (144-148mhz) VHF repeater or perhaps even a commercial system in the 150mhz band and gotten complaints that your Ethernet cable is causing them interference on their repeater? We are trying to locate the source of noise on an amateur radio repeater system locally and last time I went up on grain leg there was a whole lot of Ethernet cabling strung everywhere and I've read some links such as these. http://www.hamuniverse.com/linksys.html that apparently some brands of equipment give out much more spurious emissions than others. Also how did you work with the radio people to solve it? Seems to only be apparent in the VHF band. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Internet traffic growth
Because internet usage is free you know don't cost anyone anything much. ;) /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:08:05 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Internet traffic growth They want to classify the internet as a utility. I have no problem with that. But, we are all told to conserve other utilities - why then are we not told to conserve internet usage? -RickG On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: Some might find this interesting. http://www.portfolio.com/views/columns/dual-perspectives/2009/03/23/Building-It-Out How many of us are ready for a 5x increase in traffic? Blair WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Ethernet
Private can be done with VLAN or vpn. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:48:00 To: rku...@colusanet.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Ethernet Rick, You are singing my song here, it is a fruit company, a big one, and they have T1's over foreign exchange carriers. I think what they really want is an exclusive network free of my other Internet traffic and perhaps a Canopy would work but I'd like to think they want something faster. They do know the difference between a T1 and Ethernet I think they just want private. Thanks, Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Kunze Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Ethernet If they want true T-1 signaling on it, I believe the Canopy line includes such a device. I remember seeing it somewhere. If they just want connectivity for their LANs, put up a Canopy backhaul and be done with it. Or just bridge them into your network and VLAN it. Most people think T-1 is some exotic super pipe. They don't realize it's decades old technology and only 1.54meg. I think that T-1 signaling box was around a grand, maybe $1200. I had a call from one of the big name brand fruit companies around here. They have a T-1 to a private LAN in another city at their main warehouse. They were looking for options. I told them, Well, I can sell you a T-1 for $595/mo and it's 1.54meg, or I can sell you our SME wireless service for $149/mo where you'll see 4 to 6 meg. Do the math. They usually opt for option B. Rk On 3/25/2009 3:39 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have a customer who wants to use our towers to relay a signal between two sites so he can have a T1 equivalent. He said Wireless T1's are more expensive than a 1-10 MB Wireless Ethernet. They offered to have us buy it then charge them on it. Now I have to research this kind of product, can anyone be of assistance on this issue? Thanks, Forbes Washington Broadband, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.28/2022 - Release Date: 03/25/09 07:16:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Diversity in Licensed Link
My understanding the old Orthagon (now canopy) supports this. At least they used to brag how good they where over water. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Gino Villarini Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List To: Motorola Canopy User Group ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Diversity in Licensed Link Sent: Mar 22, 2009 11:51 Lists, What Licensed Link Equipment support Spacial diversity? Trango? DW Horizon? I would assume Alcatel, Harris and Ceragon Do Im plannig a couple of long links over the ocean, altough I have plenty of height to overcome direct reflections on sea, I would like the added bennefit ... Or a Dual link solution would be better? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2.4ghz wattmeter
Problem with wifi stuff is it doesn't transmit if it don't have anything to say. So average measurement isn't that great since it will be based on you traffic how high the average is. You will be more interested in your peak since at least most wifi are predictable and the peak is what it transmits at and is what is interesting. Berkley Varitronics has their butterflies that are great testing instruments for an affordable price to measure output power. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:46:37 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 2.4ghz wattmeter Does anyone have any experience with a Bird 43 wattmeter at 2.4ghz? I have the bird 43 and am considering buying the 1 watt slug for it. This thing is going to measure the average power instead of the peak power. Should the Bird 43P (peak and avg) wattmeter be better suited for this application since it can measure the peak wattage? I just don't know what I need to be measuring in the WIFI application, the peak or average??? http://birdtechnologies.thomasnet.com/viewitems/wattmeters-and-line-sections /portable-wattmeters? http://birdtechnologies.thomasnet.com/viewitems/wattmeters-and-line-section s/portable-wattmeters?forward=1 forward=1 Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
Besides right now unless something changed the NS3 are special order item requiring 1k unit order. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:47:16 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? What ubnt radios? Afaik ns3 are not FCC approved ... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Yes, but the UBNT 3.65 radios are crap. Everyone we tried was worthless. On the other hand, every Redline 3.65 radio whether RedMax or AN80 has worked perfect. -Matt On Mar 18, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Wow. I have 200 UBNT radios out there and not a single failure, not even to lightning. These are 2.4, but still. I sure do like them. rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I put up some Ubiquiti based gear, one of the radios died about 1hr into carrying traffic. UBNT shipped me new ones to try overnight. I'll update. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?
If you have a router in front of them create a src nat and dst nat rule for them then you can take it easy or not bother do the truck roll and just do it if you want in the area of one of the clients. Very easy to do with something like a MikroTik, StarOS or Imagestream router. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:51:49 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ? no, don't have my own space yet. The renumbering isn't normally too bad. I did that not long ago, to shuffle around some subnets and make space for more clients. Painlessly and nobody noticed. However, I have ONE access point that's legacy with clients back from my startup time and it has a number of non-dhcp clients on it. This WILL involve a lot of drive time, to get all them fixed. The access points themselves do all the routing and store the DHCP settings, so, it's just a matter of downloading the config, hand altering it, and uploading. Our ip's are assigned to MAC addresses and it's really not all that troublesome. I just use a word processor and and do a replace for the first 3 and hand assign the rest.Takes perhaps 10 minutes per AP. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ? rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: This after renumbering and re-routing about 100 clients.So, then, I had to find a way to revert everyone bak to the OLD provider All that was on the OLD hardware. I got done (gave up) after getting most of the clients working about 11 pm. Worked on it some more at home till around 1:00 am... Yikes. I've been through a renumbering, I feel your pain. Since you mentioned providers' numbers, are you using IP space from your upstream(s)? If you're big enough, the money you'll spend on an ARIN membership is well worth it, just to get your own IP space. You'll hopefully never have to renumber again, and that peace-of-mind is well worth the money. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NS3/MikroTik
NS3 is currently special order. 1k minimum order when I spoke with Ubnt about a week or two ago. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Cameron Kilton Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: wireless@wispa.org ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] NS3/MikroTik Sent: Mar 11, 2009 15:00 Has anybody heard as to when they are shipping? Also, I thought I noticed something go through the lists that is WAS possible to put MikroTik on the Nanostation gear, true/false? Cameron Midcoast Internet WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
Run a separate 12 or 14 awg for your DC power. The 24awg isn't enough size to power multiple radios. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:07:55 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: 24/4 =6 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for the POE? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
Why you want to make sure you properly ground and use surge arrestors. But not that much different to run separate cat5 runs. They are all connected to same AC source and plugged into the same switch etc so no different really. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:14:55 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue with a single core cable. I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are individually shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of course. Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have one for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com wrote: OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: 24/4 =6 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for the POE? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'
http://www.wisp-router.com/calculators/downtilt.php You want your customers inside your inner and outer 3dB radius. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Cliff Olle Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: 'WISPA General List' ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300' Sent: Mar 9, 2009 20:25 For the 900 Mhz connectorized AP (by cyclone) with the 120 tiltek antenna, if I am mounted at 300', what amount of down tilt is normal? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'
Generally not on a 900Mhz with wide beam. But height get more important when dealing with say a 11dB omni. On the Tiltek (believe it's a 19deg H-plane beam) I would probably consider 1-2 degree downtilt would get the sweet spot at at either 1.6miles or 3.3 miles out and the inner -3dB at a quarter to a third mile out. In 900Mhz generally in most cases I have not seen much of problems within a mile from the tower. 1+ miles out can sometimes be a hassle. So question is where one want the strongest signal. To close in and you might not have enough signal where it counts. To far out you might get spotty coverage in the mid field. But 900 is 900 so it's not that picky as Scott states. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300' In practice I don't think it matters a lot with 900Mhz... JMHO Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Cliff Olle w...@eccentrixtechnologies.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:31 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300' For the 900 Mhz connectorized AP (by cyclone) with the 120 tiltek antenna, if I am mounted at 300', what amount of down tilt is normal? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
That is just pointers to regulation text. You need to look in the mfg's datasheet for antenna patterns. If that is not available from the manufacturer sometime you can find that in the FCC approval application filing documents available on the FCC id search database. Ubiquiti's FCC id is swx. Complete FCC id for say their XR2 card is SWX-XR2. The Powerstation2 is SWX-PS2 (same for NS2 and Loco2 actually since its a lower gain antenna there for approved for use by manufacturer choice as discussed on the list recently). /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:55:45 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
Besides 60deg is same on all antennas since that is to denote where your 3dB of max gain on the antenna. How much signal you lose outside will differ from antenna to antenna and the size of the side lobes. But the most interesting portion is what you have inside the 60deg and there all antennas is pretty much identical. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:03:48 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Brian, Go to the Radio Mobile group on yahoo. There you can search the archives and or files sections. The archives will explain how to make your own antenna file if you can find a suitable one for your use. For example if you are trying to create a 60 degree antenna pattern you could use a similar one in the files section. The laws of physics dictate that the pattern won't be that much different from one manufacturer to the other. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'm trying to figure out coverage around access points. Eric Muehleisen wrote: FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX will give you accurate numbers. -Eric Brian Rohrbacher wrote: So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days. I need to make my antenna patterns. I use ubiquiti powerstations and need to find the info on the antenna. How do I look up that info on the fcc website? FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from the data sheet. Will that work? Brian Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, lot lower risk that way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ha...pretty funny. I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take PayPal. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you. I HATE paypal I had to create an account in order to send this. I don't even buy things from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your helping me Anyway, what's next? thanks, marlon 509.988.0260 - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
Keep in mind antennas are not digital but analog. You can get signal outside the pattern. Also most of the patterns are computer designed and is close to what real world but not perfect. Sometimes your sidelobes are bigger then what datasheet shows and sometimes you have a slightly defect antenna that is throwing signals more in a unexpected direction. Also environment can help out to get unexpected result so with a reflector on the side of an antenna you could get better then expected signals on the sides of the antenna where you would expect less or nothing. Most important to keep in mind with antennas and their signal patterns is that they are analog. Can compare to a flash light in a dark room. You even have slight illumination right behind you and more on the sides. How much depends on the quality of the reflector and what material it being shone on. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:00:46 To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile My experience with antenna patterns has been that they are not accurate in all distances. It's either that or I don't understand them. To give you a couple examples. I have a 900MHz yagi, that has a miraculous connection @ 90* of the center 1 mile out. I was surprised that I even got a signal and to my amazement there it was. I've seen this close up with rootennas that I use to cover a small swath of an area for the extra power boost and to keep the noise level down outside of the intended coverage area. You get close and it's almost omni like. I have hot customers off the back side. I suppose that is the difference between a high quality antenna and cheap ones. And I bet when I get a few miles out the pattern is very accurate. Brian Webster wrote: Brian, Go to the Radio Mobile group on yahoo. There you can search the archives and or files sections. The archives will explain how to make your own antenna file if you can find a suitable one for your use. For example if you are trying to create a 60 degree antenna pattern you could use a similar one in the files section. The laws of physics dictate that the pattern won't be that much different from one manufacturer to the other. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'm trying to figure out coverage around access points. Eric Muehleisen wrote: FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX will give you accurate numbers. -Eric Brian Rohrbacher wrote: So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days. I need to make my antenna patterns. I use ubiquiti powerstations and need to find the info on the antenna. How do I look up that info on the fcc website? FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from the data sheet. Will that work? Brian Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, lot lower risk that way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ha...pretty funny. I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take PayPal. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you. I HATE paypal I had to create an account in order to send this. I don't even buy things from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your helping me Anyway, what's next? thanks, marlon 509.988.0260 - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
That is my understanding as well from talking with a certification lab. Lower and equal gain antennas of same type as certified are allowed to be substituted by the manufacturer. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: lakel...@gbcx.net Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 00:52:36 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp As per the FCC only the anufacturer can make the determination which antenna is similar in specifications. Otherwise it needs FCC certification as a system. That was from the horses mouth about 18 months ago Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 19:47:42 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp Who has the final word on this? I've been told by testing laboratories that do testing for the FCC that this is not the case... They said if the radio card (5Ghz when I asked but for this discussion it doesn't matter) had been approved with an antenna then you could use the same or less db like antenna and you were good to go - assuming the card manufacturer (like ubiquity) had had appropriate testing completed and filed with FCC. It sure is difficult for any of us to make heads or tales out of what can or can't be done because everyone has a different opinion - even the people at the top of the food chain I guess. Who's right? And how am I supposed to know? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Harold Bledsoe hbled...@deliberant.net Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:21 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp I think the confusion on this comes from the fact that for the P90 licensing process, only the transmitter information is collected. Remember that even with Part 90 devices, they still must comply with Part 15 requirements for unintentional radiators. This is covered with a Declaration of Conformity for the system typically. So the previous example of the XR3 + ARC + RB411 + PoE (sic) is technically only legal if it meets all Part 90 requirements (which it should according to the test report on file at the FCC) as well as Part 15 requirements for unintentional radiators. In this case, a Declaration of Conformity should be on file at the assembler's location. This is why the label is important. This kind of system built from modular components should include a label with a manufacturer name/model number, the contains FCC ID: xx, and the 2 required statements about unintentional interference. This information tells anyone including the FCC who to contact for intentional emission issues (P-90 in this example) as well as unintentional emission issues (P-15 in this case). If there is no label on there, then it is illegal by default. Then if there are problems with the intentional radiator, it is the module maker's problem (assuming the integration instructions were followed properly). Finally if there are problems with the unintentional emissions, it is the system assembler's problem. I know, I knowthis is a licensed, Part 90 band. So why does Part 15 even matter? Simply put, P-90 covers the transmitter, P-15 covers the rest of the crap spewing from the device in the rest of the spectrum. :-) -Hal -Original Message- From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:05:36 GMT My system is fully licensed. How did you get your combination of XR3 + Routerboard 400 series + Mikrotik RouterOS 3.x + whatever antenna certified? What's the process like, and how much did it cost?Or did you just buy the kit from someone else who went through the certification process? If so, from whom? I'd be willing to pay a small premium over the price of all those parts just to avoid the legal heat.David SmithMVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Indoor video cameras with dvr system
Check out Q-See. Globalcomputers.com sell those. I had good luck with their DVR and cameras. They got indoor and outdoor cameras. They are affordable. They have everything from simple 2 channel solutions to more advanced 16 channels. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Alan Long alan.l...@aerowire.net Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:08:05 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Indoor video cameras with dvr system WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax ConnectorsWAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
Sticky side and it will risk sliding especially when you weather seal a connector next to a case side. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:18:11 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Pico Station 2
These should be first available this month. They have not started to ship these yet. /Eje Gustafsson CTO WISP-Router, Inc Authorized Ubiquity distributor --Original Message-- From: Andrew Niemantsverdriet Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Pico Station 2 Sent: Mar 2, 2009 14:05 Where can I buy these? I have seen some stuff from Ubiquiti that they are shipping but I can't seem to find anybody that carries them. Anybody have any info? Thanks, _ /-\ ndrew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower colocation request
One thing that I found helpful when we had to do this for the county years back was actually to bring in some sample equipments that we talked about installing. Also bringing picture of typical cell company tower installs. Showing them that we are looking for minimal size and will cause far less stress on the tower then what the cell company would. Also outlay our economics showing to them that we economically couldn't afford to pay these fees based on the coverage area that the technology can provide as well the economics in the area how many customer we would expect to be able to get from said tower site and compare this with how the cell phone companies require the coverage they do for their mobile users and possible even do a study on larger roads close by the tower to get amount of traffic going by there to get an estimate how many cell subscribers that do hit that tower in their wish to have their mobile phone and data service. One of tower we got co located I know Sprint wanted to go up but their engineering study I found out (from the guy that maintained the tower) required them to reinforce the tower because it wasn't deemed to be strong enough for what they wanted to do. Of course with this final info and showing what we wanted to install carried in a duffle bag made them change their tune on the amount they wanted. Plus of course. Some research finding that t most tower companies in the area charged on average no more then $1/ft/antenna. So 2 possible 3 antennas at 180ft and 2 antennas at 240ft shouldn't cost us in this case almost $1k per tower as they wanted to charge. We ended up getting on for $600 for both towers. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:57:50 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower colocation request Tom, Thanks this is just the sort of information I was looking for. I was also looking for maybe some notes or documentation from someone who's done the presentation dance in front of the municipality. Regards Michael Baird The goal is to learn what the muni's objective is. Their objective is not always to enable broadband expansion. Sometimes a small town cares more about generating a new source of revenue. Your goal is to changed the perspective that they'll want to charge you $2000/month to co-locate, to one that they want to give you space for free, because of the economic development need to the community to deliver broadband. You'll want to be friend influencial people in the community, and get them excited about broadband. You'll want to document competence for the water tower work. Address concerns for safety, cosmetic appeal, and potential damage to the water tower. You'll want to document insurance. But mostly, you'll want to document the need for your services in the community. And you'll want to offer a direct benefit to the town government as well. (For example, inkind trade worth of broadband service to a few key public venues). You'll also want to research the zoning options for constructing towers, so you know what your alternatives are, if the town board is not cooperative. Make sure you have a long term agreement to co-locate.(For example 5 years renewable for up to 20 years.) Make sure your agreement has first-in non-intererence clauses, specifiying the spectrum ranges that you will be using. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: [WISPA] Tower colocation request Hi guys, we are looking to deploy a wifi system on a local water tower to service and underserved area. This will be our first experience dealing with a new municipality and we have it slated for a board agenda. I was wondering if there were standard proposals out there to use, or if someone had an example they were willing to share, of what information they provide to the municipality, or what to pay attention to when trying to get space on the tower. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.5/1979 - Release Date: 3/1/2009 5:46 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn
Yes. I am and many others to. You can view/add me and you can get a start of business people in this business (I do have some other old business links as well on there). /Eje --Original Message-- From: John Thomas Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] LinkedIn Sent: Feb 28, 2009 23:07 Is anyone around here on LinkedIn? I just got signed up a few days ago, and it may have benefits for your businesses. It works a little bit like Facebook, but is much more business oriented. John WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer
The matchbox pc is almost twice as large if I do not read the specs wrong. 250ishx155x70some mm Compared to 110x100x30mm for the fit-pc. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:02:06 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer Pretty cool But I think he was trumped by the original! http://thydzik.com/matchboxPC/ grin marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer Has anyone seen or used one of these? http://www.fit-pc.com/new/fit-pc-slim-specificatios.html I found it on a ham radio website, all I have to say is WOW. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer
I could look into doing that. That a small unit is sexy. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:43:52 To: e...@wisp-router.com; 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer Eje, Why don't you look into stocking those fit-PC slim's? I'm going to look into getting some for sending audio-over-ethernet for some 2-way radio purposes... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 9:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer The matchbox pc is almost twice as large if I do not read the specs wrong. 250ishx155x70some mm Compared to 110x100x30mm for the fit-pc. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:02:06 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer Pretty cool But I think he was trumped by the original! http://thydzik.com/matchboxPC/ grin marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer Has anyone seen or used one of these? http://www.fit-pc.com/new/fit-pc-slim-specificatios.html I found it on a ham radio website, all I have to say is WOW. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card?
Those cards are for metering applications and they are a build to order product with a 1k pieces MOQ. So to dispel any myths or issues they are NOT TV Whitespace radios and not widely available. / Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card? There are 2 MHz of spectrum in the 220 MHz band able to be licensed for private land mobile use in the US using very narrow channels. I think they are targeting remote meter reading markets with this radio not broadband. The frequency range is also probably useable in other bands outside the US. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:28 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card? http://www.ubnt.com/products/xr1.php -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
That is what he is saying. Avoid the high gain 15dB omnis unless you know what you do and design system right. There are cases where a high gain omni is well suited but more then likely a 12dB omni would work as well if not better. You want to make sure your signal goes where your clients are not send the main portion above them where it does no good. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:47:51 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue Actually, I disagree with Marlon on this one. The higher the gain on the antenna, the narrower the beamwidth. Therefore, many times your main lobe is shooting over the top of your clients. We have had better success with lower gain omni's because the beamwidth is wider and more usable signal reaches the client radios. I guess Marlon is correct if he means that the main lobe is shooting above (up) the clients, if that is what he meant, then he is correct. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue Marlon, I was thinking about what you said about high gain omni antennas sending more signal UP. With respect to direction, what's the difference between between a high gain unit and a lower gain unit? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd liketoknowwhatyouthink.
Long Term Evolution. Basically next step after 3G and the though stepping stone to 4G. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution Is a good way to start reading. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:27:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like toknowwhatyouthink. OK, what's LTE? marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like toknowwhatyouthink. It's a fair question and it bugs me too. Fact is, I was a more than a bit blind and thought I was more objective than I really was. Also, since then the economy and other conditions has conspired to kick e in the teeth a bit. I still believe it is great technology for nomadic and perhaps mobile, but it is damned near impossible to fight the LTE interests AND the current economy that is so weak no big guys are spending big CAPEX, giving LTE all the time it needs to catch technically (and it already dominates politically). That has me moving back to where I began -- wireless broadband is primarily a fixed business, with some added nomadicity in some cases. For that, d is the better standard, at least with my current hindsight. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:33 AM To: jefftho...@fastmail.fm; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. Patrick, can you clarify the e vs. d for me. The reason I ask is that I saw you do the Alvarion webinar and claimed that e was the only way to go. Now that you are with Aperto, d is the only way to go. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm wrote: Marlon, What are you talking about? Our product is very reliable, and we have many very happy customers ( including some very large ones such as towerstream ) - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know whatyouthink. I have heard NOTHING good about their product's reliability. I have one consulting customer that's still using them, his failure rates are shocking. I'd have dumped them years ago. Unless this changes I'd stay far far away from Aperto. (I've been to the Ca. offices and like the people that run the show, but that doesn't help my customers at all.) marlon - Original Message - From: Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know what youthink. We're looking to deploy 3.65GHz this year in a couple of different locations because of interference issues. So far they have the most compelling price point. I'd like to know how well it works in the field. All opinions appreciated. Hit me off list if you want to.\ Thanks, Pat - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like toknowwhatyouthink.
Looks like you might have to wait a long time for next ISPCon. No show this spring and no word on one in the fall either. They are talking of co-locating but not sure with whom. Broadband Wireless world been co located with Interop but wasn't a fit and moved to NXTComm which is now defunct kinda and goes under SuperComm again. Not sure what other shows ISPCon could colocate with? /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:05:36 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. Hi Patrick, I have a customer in Ca. that used Aperto (on my advice). He probably started with it in 03 or so. He was much more patient that I've ever been. The failure rates were even worse than SmartBridges. I told him many a time to bail and start using other gear. As for coming down there, I need to get back to a few shows first. I'm hoping to hit the next ISPCon (though I said that last year too). Why don't you send an engineer up here for a week or two? I'll put him to work so he can learn what we have to deal with out here in the sticks. Ben Moore spent a couple of days out here a couple of years ago. It was good for both of us. Sy, I'd think a product planning/sales type consultant could do with some time crawling under trailer homes etc.! You'd be able to offer up a lot of great advice to your engineers due to the experiences gained from several days of installs! I hope things work out for you at Aperto. They are lucky to have you working for them. Now that they are a vendor member (they are right???) I hope you'll run for a board position at WISPA! marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. Marlon, et al, First full disclosure: I am currently a full time consultant to Aperto, so I obviously carry some degree of a bias. Marlon, I am not sure which products you are referring to, but I suspect it is the old PacketWave products, all of which have been discontinued. Aperto today markets only one type of product: PacketMAX. While we have a strong 802.16e product in beta, PacketMAX is today an 802.16d product, which is designed for and optimized for fixed environments. In the U.S., PacketMAX supports all 5 GHz frequencies, as well as the 3.65 GHz band. These are all bands we likely agree are fixed in nature, so 802.16d is the correct version of WiMAX for these bands. 802.16e may have some future (I've learned to be much less hopeful for its efficacy as an accepted future mobile solution...actually, I am now a skeptic who believes the market forces will render it a deep back seat to LTE), but for fixed as it relates to WiMAX, 802.16d is the best of the WiMAX standards. The e version injects to much overhead and latency. Using e in a completely fixed environment is somewhat like trying to argue a sports car makes the best cargo hauler. But, this is not the main reason for my response... Aperto certainly had some big challenges in the transition from PacketWave to PacketMAX. Many of the issues were legacy and related to management decisions on what markets to focus on and accordingly what bands and solution types. Marlon, since you have visited, management has changed, including replacement of the former CEO to one who is much more pragmatic, realistic and U.S. focused. Our new CEO, Brian Deutsch (who is in large part why I joined), gets the U.S. opportunity and especially understands what Aperto can be and more importantly, what it can NOT be. Brian knows Aperto will not be the company to win major carrier business, nor should it. With the team, he has made big changes in how the company functions and responds, and with it many changes to how products are decided upon and delivered to the market, and who manages it. Recently, we made sure all product decisions and management and core work on PacketMAX 802.16d has been moved from India back to the U.S., where the core intelligence, executive visibility and competency exist. This is a decision I highly support. As part of this, we have had our most senior technical staff making long trips to key customers to live in their environments for a bit to learn how they work and the issues they face. We've taken these findings and converted them into actions plans that have been already put into work and resulted in major changes. PacketWave is long gone now and that product bear little resemblance to PacketMAX, both in architecture and functionality. No more two cables up for instance. It is now 100% IF at the base station and PoE at the CPE. The QoS functionality is excellent. The NMS has been changed to permit
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'dliketoknowwhatyouthink.
Yeah. LTE have potential to kill the WISP market in metro areas and in long term even in rural when they get around to deploy there. But looks like first serious LTE deployments might not happen until 2013 or so and my guess maybe by 16 or 17 we might see as narrow spread as we currently see on 3G availability today so basically only metro areas with at least a few hundred thousand of populations. Smaller areas might by then finally gotten 3G speeds. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:53:28 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd liketoknowwhatyouthink. Okey ... 2nd time around ... Guys you gotta keep up with technology... Lte: Long Term Evolution, currently the technology of choice of cell carriers for 4G, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd liketoknowwhatyouthink. OK, what's LTE? marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like toknowwhatyouthink. It's a fair question and it bugs me too. Fact is, I was a more than a bit blind and thought I was more objective than I really was. Also, since then the economy and other conditions has conspired to kick e in the teeth a bit. I still believe it is great technology for nomadic and perhaps mobile, but it is damned near impossible to fight the LTE interests AND the current economy that is so weak no big guys are spending big CAPEX, giving LTE all the time it needs to catch technically (and it already dominates politically). That has me moving back to where I began -- wireless broadband is primarily a fixed business, with some added nomadicity in some cases. For that, d is the better standard, at least with my current hindsight. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:33 AM To: jefftho...@fastmail.fm; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. Patrick, can you clarify the e vs. d for me. The reason I ask is that I saw you do the Alvarion webinar and claimed that e was the only way to go. Now that you are with Aperto, d is the only way to go. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm wrote: Marlon, What are you talking about? Our product is very reliable, and we have many very happy customers ( including some very large ones such as towerstream ) - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know whatyouthink. I have heard NOTHING good about their product's reliability. I have one consulting customer that's still using them, his failure rates are shocking. I'd have dumped them years ago. Unless this changes I'd stay far far away from Aperto. (I've been to the Ca. offices and like the people that run the show, but that doesn't help my customers at all.) marlon - Original Message - From: Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know what youthink. We're looking to deploy 3.65GHz this year in a couple of different locations because of interference issues. So far they have the most compelling price point. I'd like to know how well it works in the field. All opinions appreciated. Hit me off list if you want to.\ Thanks, Pat - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter
First hit on google and the 4-5 next hits state its a social networking micro blog system. Would taken you less time to try a google search then asking on the list. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:36:32 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Yep, providing it. That doesn't mean I know or use everything that is on it. Kinda link assuming a librarian has read every book in the library. So, I will ask, too, just what is twitter? Gino Villarini wrote: Are you in the Internet Bizz ? :-) Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Pardon my ignorance, but what is twitter? (I guess I could google it, but the name sounds like it would bring up too many abstracts.) Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:49:24 -0600 I was thinking about it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:08 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT: Twitter Just curious if anyone other than myself (@tetherow) and Peter R (@radinfo) use twitter. - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.2/1965 - Release Date: 02/21/09 15:36:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
Never assume a problem is ever interference no matter how rural you are. This is one of the biggest problem I see people are doing. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:04:44 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue I agree with you and actually intend on replacing it. But, I doubt it's related since this setup has been running on this particular tower since 2004 (I bought the company this way). Also, it is set up on several others with no issues. I failed to mention these towers are in very rural locations so I doubt there is any interference. -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
Not really. The WI-Spy is very good if you know how to use it. Just like any spectrum analyzer. But you need a connectorized model and to track down interference source you need directional antennas. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:26:39 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue A spectrum analyzer is a good idea. I tried and wasnt impressed with wi-spy. Is there anything else inexpensive that will analyze the spectrum? Thanks! -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote: It looks just like you described. Get a spectrum analyzer or a wi-spy and check it out. Chances are though you won't be there when it is happening. Phil On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 9:12 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I agree but such a sudden change? I mean like day night. Interesting to contemplate though. What does interference look like if IT is affecting a tower? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:08 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Never assume a problem is ever interference no matter how rural you are. This is one of the biggest problem I see people are doing. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:04:44 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue I agree with you and actually intend on replacing it. But, I doubt it's related since this setup has been running on this particular tower since 2004 (I bought the company this way). Also, it is set up on several others with no issues. I failed to mention these towers are in very rural locations so I doubt there is any interference. -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
Generally a omni send signal straight out and a high gain omni might only have 5 to 6 degree vertical beam width. So only 2.5 to 3 deg is aim down. A lower gain antenna will have wider beam width. But then you also have quality antennas with electronic downtilt on them so say a high gain antenna with 7deg beam (typical on a 12dB omni) you have 3 degree electronic downtil (also typical value) only 0.5 degrees of the signal is sent above horizon line. A 15dB omni might only have about 5 deg beam and if you have no electronic downtilt it becomes useless on taller structures. Unless your clients are only far out (depending on hight might have to be very far out). You can play with my down tilt calculator. http://www.wisp-router.com/calculators/downtilt.php You do not want to have customers closer then the inner -3dB radius and most of them should be close to the sweet spot and of course they should not be outside outer -3dB (with omni generally no risk unless your providing internet to aliens. ;) ) /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:23:55 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue Marlon, I was thinking about what you said about high gain omni antennas sending more signal UP. With respect to direction, what's the difference between between a high gain unit and a lower gain unit? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DVR camera system
Depend on what price point and quality you looking for. Q-See makes some pretty nice stuff. Not the best video quality but well good enough for general security and monitoring. Best is the pricing. http://www.globalcomputer.com/applications/category/category_tlc.asp?CatId=1322 Is one of their online vendors with best price I think. You have pci cards for DIY stuff. DVR 4 channel to 16 channels. Do not have to use their cameras but they are good priced and have indoor, outdoor, PTZ camers. Web based access, console view, tv view and windows viewer. /Eje --Original Message-- From: ad...@svic.net Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: wireless@wispa.org ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DVR camera system Sent: Feb 21, 2009 12:15 Figured I would ask if anyone has any experience with different camera systems. Have a customer looking to put multiple systems in and need a solution. Anyone know of some good systems that do not use a lot of bandwidth overhead? The systems need to have up to 8 camera hook up to DVR and be able to be internet accessible. Mike Johns SVIC Internet Computers 114 N Main st. Chiefland, Fl 32626 Phone: 352-490-5433 Fax: 352-490-9532 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Multiple hotspots on one MT router
Yes. Just specify a different html directory for the new hotspot server and upload your other design to that folder on the MT. /Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc --Original Message-- From: Mark McElvy Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: Mikrotik discussions To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Multiple hotspots on one MT router Sent: Feb 17, 2009 08:00 We have a special event coming to town and I want to provide Hotspot access for them. I already have a hotspot setup for users around town. I want to setup a second hotspot with custom pages for the event users. Can I have separate HTML? Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Winbox. Then very little need for CLI. There is nothing you can not do through winbox that you can not do through CLI. Scripting most people do not use it or just use it to execute simple CLI instructions. You have a bunch of script samples on wiki.mikrotik.com. Like with any advanced networking product there is a little learning curve. But reason why most people have problems getting a grip on MikroTik is that their network knowledge is limited so they have problem understanding the routing concept and understanding how ip works and flows with its source ports, destination ports so they have issues creating firewall rules etc. On the WISP-Training Mikrotik class (the training material Butch and me created) the primary reason it was created was to teach how routing, sub netting and ip flows worked and of course from a view point in how to configure this with MikroTik. It's a whole lot easier to get running then say a Cisco router where everything have to be CLI and firewalling rule creation imo is very cryptic and not very straight forward. /Eje Gustafsson CTO WISP-Router, Inc Bringing MikroTik to the masses since 2002. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT). Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises would be cool. How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that works on those that could mesh? Very new to mesh - thanks in advance. `S PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play which != MT. (: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
From experience this is not how the bridging used in MikroTik and its WDS setup is doing. It only forward the traffic where it needs to go. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:40:46 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Mr. Bledsoe, I've heard it said that WDS isn't the best option for mesh because under WDS each AP is going to repeat every packet regardless of the physical location and whether or not the data needs to pass that AP in order to get from the gateway AP to the AP the client for whom the data is for is associated with. It sounds like WDS works because of a shotgun approach, and routing be it STP or what ever just prevents loops. The folks that say this claim that for the best mesh performance, for true mesh one must use the adhoc mode so that only the AP nodes in the route of the data flow transmit that data. The folks that say this claim that WDS is not mesh, at least in their book. Would you concur? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Harold Bledsoe wrote: Well there is also the mesh part too. Is this what you guys are talking about when you say MT mesh: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation. There are many, many more factors to consider when building an infrastructure mesh. The LigoMesh products take into account signal strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best path. Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set to give high performance. On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and outdoor selections). I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and there is certainly a place for each one. Just be sure you know what you are getting! -Hal -Original Message- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430 Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on how to remove
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
MikroTik has its MME implementation that is what should be used instead of using WDS for a mesh setup. MME is as true mesh as it gets. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Harold Bledsoe hbled...@deliberant.net Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:52:39 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Well there is also the mesh part too. Is this what you guys are talking about when you say MT mesh: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation. There are many, many more factors to consider when building an infrastructure mesh. The LigoMesh products take into account signal strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best path. Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set to give high performance. On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and outdoor selections). I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and there is certainly a place for each one. Just be sure you know what you are getting! -Hal -Original Message- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430 Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT). Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises would be cool. How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that works on those that could mesh? Very new to mesh - thanks in advance. `S PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play which != MT. (: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Don't help if don't have the latest IOS firmware I would think. I must say I haven't used Cisco for a long time (replaced with ImageStream) and the few times I had to help customer that had a cisco that needed some configuration changes to deal with the internal routing we help setup with MikroTik it was always it seemed an older firmware and they customer know very little more then the username and password and ips to get in to the cisco. But glad Cisco is coming to the 21st century with decent provisioning tools and configuration tools which I been spoiled with Mikrotik every since I first started using it almost hmm 7 years ago. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: John J. Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:36:31 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks You DO NOT have to use a CLI to do firewalling nowadays. Cisco has the SDM for routers, and the ASDM for ASA's. John -Original Message- From: e...@wisp-router.com [mailto:e...@wisp-router.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 07:26 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Winbox. Then very little need for CLI. There is nothing you can not do through winbox that you can not do through CLI. Scripting most people do not use it or just use it to execute simple CLI instructions. You have a bunch of script samples on wiki.mikrotik.com. Like with any advanced networking product there is a little learning curve. But reason why most people have problems getting a grip on MikroTik is that their network knowledge is limited so they have problem understanding the routing concept and understanding how ip works and flows with its source ports, destination ports so they have issues creating firewall rules etc. On the WISP-Training Mikrotik class (the training material Butch and me created) the primary reason it was created was to teach how routing, sub netting and ip flows worked and of course from a view point in how to configure this with MikroTik. It's a whole lot easier to get running then say a Cisco router where everything have to be CLI and firewalling rule creation imo is very cryptic and not very straight forward. /Eje Gustafsson CTO WISP-Router, Inc Bringing MikroTik to the masses since 2002. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked
Re: [WISPA] Cat5 ferrite beads
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Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread
Rsync =) works great got windows version available. Depending what your looking at doing. Just have the clients backup their documents or do complete machine backup for later restore (if the later then rsync is not it). / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Another online backup thread I'm looking at remote-backup.com. It seems to be what I'm looking for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there. It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client. It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage). It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup program. It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread
True to this. Just look at Circuit City. Second largest electronics retailer in the US. Gone.. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread While I believe Amazon will survive there is no such thing as too big to fail... Mike's own server ensures that as long as Mike is there, the data is there. I backup my servers to my own server for this reason in addition to the capability and locality of the data. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Amazon's S3 service is very inexpensive and well done. There are many different clients out there which work with S3. I like Mozy but I think Amazon is more likely to be around in the long haul (too big to fail?). Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I'm looking at remote-backup.com. It seems to be what I'm looking for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there. It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client. It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage). It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup program. It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread
Been doing it for a long time on my Laptop and work computer.. Actually how I ensure my documents on the two are synced so I never have to search or have duplicate documents on the two... Cwrsync - rsync for windows http://www.itefix.no/i2/node/10650 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread If you can do rsync on Windows, do it. Rsync in *nix is beautiful. On 2/17/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Circuit City had many, many problems (at least at the store here). Lots and lots of managers walking around, while their pricing on computer hardware was really, really high. Even during their clearance last week, I went in and found an HP laptop they had marked down for the clearance special ($200 off normal price), and I did a quick lookup and found the exact same laptop, brand new, online for $200 less than that price. So they had a $400 markup on an $899 laptop? Seems a little excessive to me. Travis Microserv Eje Gustafsson wrote: True to this. Just look at Circuit City. Second largest electronics retailer in the US. Gone.. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another online backup thread While I believe Amazon will survive there is no such thing as too big to fail... Mike's own server ensures that as long as Mike is there, the data is there. I backup my servers to my own server for this reason in addition to the capability and locality of the data. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Amazon's S3 service is very inexpensive and well done. There are many different clients out there which work with S3. I like Mozy but I think Amazon is more likely to be around in the long haul (too big to fail?). Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I'm looking at remote-backup.com. It seems to be what I'm looking for, but I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there. It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client. It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage). It must have sold online backup in mind, not an enterprise backup program. It must work on Windows clients, hopefully Linux clients too. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail
Re: [WISPA] 900 CPE
Check your 900 spectrum before you start buying things. But otherwise sounds like a plan. Then use RB411's, and 900MHz roos or 900 MHz ARC IES units for a better look. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:46:44 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 900 CPE I love the Nano's for 2.4 but they don't come in 900MHZ, I have a small town that loves trees and while I service most of them with 2.4 we have to turn a lot of them down for trees. I have a third slot in my Microtik so I thought I'd drop in a 900 AP chip and put up an Omni and then I need fairly inexpensive CPE. Any ideas? Thanks, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. forbes.me...@wabroadband.com www.wabroadband.com Fax 509-853-0856 |Ofc 509-853-0858 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella. On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote: My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of Satan -hehehehe) When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can afford. It has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance and it has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types of insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to file a claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that (with hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it will appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends abruptly :-) We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] Insurance What do you guys have for insurance policies? I am working with my Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't buy unnecessary policies. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
Yes a good choice. We have been very happy with all our IS units we have(replaced Cicsco units). As well all people we assisted and sold ImageStream units to have been very happy with them. Great stable product line at great pricing and an excellent support. Product is of course lot more then say a MikroTik unit but basically you pay for the free support and you get a product that been design to work at your network edge and talk to your upstream provider while MikroTik is more designed to function inside your own system and do wireless and internal routing and authentication. /Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:20:04 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now I'll second that suggestion. marlon - Original Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now Consider Imagestream (http://www.imagestream.com for your high end routing. They are high quality and lower cost than other high-end routing solutions. Fantastic support and rock solid platform for routing. Scriv PS. They are a WISPA Vendor Member also. On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Dylan Bouterse dy...@corp.power1.comwrote: We're getting off Cisco soon too. Moving to Juniper, maybe sooner than later now! Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now So far we haven't seen any adverse effects, but we're not running BGP with Cisco routers. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now That AS was sending corrupted AS PATHs, which among other things has been causing significant amounts of route flaps due to Cisco bug CSCdr54230. Ciscos effected are losing their BGP session when they encounter the AS PATH. Upstreams like us have busy routers because of all the flaps. The community is filtering the AS right now pending resolution. -Matt On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Dylan Bouterse wrote: I just had some BGP issues with one of my peers. Is this related you think? Please expand on the reason for the email. Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: 02/05/09 11:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: 02/05/09 11:34:00
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT). Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises would be cool. How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that works on those that could mesh? Very new to mesh - thanks in advance. `S PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play which != MT. (: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
Always hated that about the bankruptcy system. How a company can do so many stupid things then file chapter 11, get restructured and basically continue operations with all their equipment all in place but with no debt. If I wanted a fancy house, car and all cool gadget and got it on the expense of the business if I filed chapter 11 because of to high saleries and spent to much money on business building, and equipment rollout I would find myself homeless, car less, customer less and no longer have a place to conduct business and my cool hardware sold off. Then you have companies like Charter now and Cable Wireless did 10 years back just as examples that did it and came out stronger then before and no debt and networks and customers in place and I bet not a single board member or upper management lost a single thing of their personal affect. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete. No one bothers to point out that they do it be going broke!! aaa marlon - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? They are starting to roll out 60meg down 5up. Only in test markets though. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Mike Hammett wrote: Probably nothing, other than Charter may be more nimble in the future without all of that burden. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:02 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/245062c2-f93d-11dd-90c1-77b07658.html?referrer _id=yahoofinanceft_ref=yahoo1segid=03058nclick_check=1 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
Then to think about all companies that reorganize and end up continue business like nothing happens except they screwed over their lenders and the owners, board of directors and upper management that caused the mess goes clean and free and get to keep it all. Sickening. And it does have nothing to do with Washington connections. It's part of the system and have crooked good lawyer and careful planning and preparations. Basically in my opinion it's premeditated (to borrow a legal term from another legal area) bankruptcy if you ask me and shouldn't be allowed. They should be punished not allowed to continue operation and keep everything. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:56:30 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Unemployment and a default on a mortgage i was gaurantor of put me in Bankruptcy in 1997.I didn't get to keep nuttin. I lost my home everything I had in the bank and was seriously whacked for a long time. And I've battled crooked collectors who have tried to collect discharged debt ever since. The RE lenders were the worst thing about the whole deal. Basically, that was all I owed was on two homes and yet, it haunted me for more than 8 years before the last one stopped trying to collect on the real estate loans. Two of the three involved were guaranteed by HUD, yet, rather than file for that gaurantee, they abdicated all rights to the proceeds of the RE sale and then fraudulently attempted for years to collect from me or sell those loans elsewhere. I lost track of the number of owners of those notes over the years. I had no credit cards unpaid or car loans or anything. Each time I had to dig up my BK judgement and prove it wasn't legally owed and they'd sell it again. Often it was less than 2 months between being persued by a different 'agency' or lender or owner. One guy managed to get someone to give him my work and my wife's work phones and then they started threatening all kinds of stuff. But, hey, look at the bright side. Someone might tell Trump YOU'RE FIRED! :) insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Always hated that about the bankruptcy system. How a company can do so many stupid things then file chapter 11, get restructured and basically continue operations with all their equipment all in place but with no debt. If I wanted a fancy house, car and all cool gadget and got it on the expense of the business if I filed chapter 11 because of to high saleries and spent to much money on business building, and equipment rollout I would find myself homeless, car less, customer less and no longer have a place to conduct business and my cool hardware sold off. Then you have companies like Charter now and Cable Wireless did 10 years back just as examples that did it and came out stronger then before and no debt and networks and customers in place and I bet not a single board member or upper management lost a single thing of their personal affect. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete. No one bothers to point out that they do it be going broke!! aaa marlon - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? They are starting to roll out 60meg down 5up. Only in test markets though. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
That description is not hybrid. Its called KERS (Kinetic Energy Recovery System) and is a technique used to recharge the batteries in a hybrid car without using the gas engine to recharge the battery. Most hybrid cars have a battery driven engine and a gas powered engine. when driving it will primary use the battery engine but if the batteries starts to get run down the gas engine starts up to propel the car and recharge the battery in newer hybrid you have the KERS to help boost the recharge by recovering energy when breaking which is why a hybrid car can get so very good city traffic mileage since obviously you have to break and stop. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:17:39 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Right-the primary reason a hybrid saves gas is by recovering *some* otherwise wasted braking energy. But you'd get better mileage by not breaking in the first place, which you don't hopefully do a lot of on the highway. Chuck On Feb 12, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Not on the highway it won't. grin That's the biggest reason I didn't even look at one. Highway miles (almost all of my 30k+ per year miles) are often no better than any other rig. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle You can still drive a hybrid... http://www.internationaltrucks.com/portal/site/ITrucks/menuitem.a1d4a3932b46e05831f8e968121010a0/?vgnextoid=945d07aafbfe6110VgnVCM1085d0eb0aRCRD UPS also has some of their trucks powered by International hybrid technology. I think the one our local center had was getting over 40 mpg. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle I always thought of buying a hybrid... ...then putting it in the bed of my truck and hauling it around just to say that I take my hybrid everywhere I go... Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Made me think of a license plate holder I saw on an SUV: Buy a hybrid, I need your gas! ryan D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;) Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick. Had 4 appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover... ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed. ...I get 10 on a good day. :) Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle fyi, it's not a van... http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL). Had to settle for a completely loaded white one though. Leather, DVD for the kids, heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc. It's also nearly a foot and a half longer than the standard version. So when you get one make sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat. http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl_sacat=0_fromfsb=_trksid=m270.l1313_odkw=gmc+envoy_osacat=0 These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer. The XUV version looks pretty interesting too. I ALMOST got one of them, didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal. http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm They have some of those on ebay too: http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_pgn=2 laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq
Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard
That is ok. The way that equipment was assembled and charged you shouldn't had to pay any assembly fees. As I said to you off list we will get that straightened out. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: David Sovereen david.sover...@mercury.net Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:34:05 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard Meant to send off-list... sorry. Dave - Original Message - From: David Sovereen david.sover...@mercury.net To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard Huh? Why haven't any of my orders ever come assembled free? Whenver I want it assembled, you charge me something called Assembly Charge for Kit Units at a cost of $6.00 each. See invoice 29306. Dave - Original Message - From: e...@wisp-router.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard If you purchase all items for a complete unit we will assemble it free of charge. This is a service we been doing ever since we started selling MikroTik 5 years ago. We will do that even for StarOS or IkarusOS base solution as long as all parts and licenses to make a complete system is purchased at once from us. We also offer preconfiguration (but for a small charge) if you want a true plug and play solution ready to go when you receive the units. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 18:58:49 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard You might spend a good 50 dollars in parts that you can reuse between enclosures for every few or you can pay a vendor to do it (marked up of course). If you'd like my full list of parts I buy/use for every AP let me know. On 2/9/09, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: I could, if there was demand. I'm sure that they are out there... but, building your own is easy... Phil Curnutt wrote: Does anyone produce a complete Mikrotik Routerboard Access Point- ie.- routerboard, radio cards, pigtails, enclosure etc.? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions
Actually not. Advanced broadband service 45/15 Basic broadband service 5/1 Advanced WIRELESS broadband service 3/1 But nothing stating what Basic Wireless broadband service is supposed to be at least in the excerpt. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:00:21 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions So it looks like the definitions of Basic broadband service and Advanced broadband service are interchanged. Good catch!! St. Louis Broadband wrote: I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it appears that it needs to be corrected: In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html (j) DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the term advanced broadband service means a service delivering data to the end user transmitted at a speed of at least 45 megabits per second downstream and at least 15 megabits per second upstream; (2) the term advanced wireless broadband service means a wireless service delivering to the end user data transmitted at a speed of at least 3 megabits per second downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream over and end-to-end internet protocol wireless network; (3) the term basic broadband service means a service delivering data to the end user transmitted to a speed of at least 5 megabits per second downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream; So the advanced broadband service is your backhaul @ 45/15 mbps, advanced broadband service SHOULD BE 5/1 mbps and basic broadband service SHOULD BE 3/1 mbps WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] E-zy.net
I think your referring to IkarusOS which is a different product then Ez-y net. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:33:17 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] E-zy.net Indeed. I actually received two copies of an OS of his at one of the WISPCONs. I didn't have any boards that took CF cards, so I never got to try it out. I don't remember the name of it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:04 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] E-zy.net Hello Dimitri Congradts to you and your partners on developing a product that wisps can use to their advantage. I don't think we have seen an introduction of you and your compay on the wispa lists. Why don't you take this time to introduce yourself, and your company and products to the list. For those who don't know Dimitri, he is a long time wisp who used to be very active on these various wisp lists. I'm sure developing his product and company has minimized his socializing on the various lists. George Dimitrios Sidiropoulos wrote: E-zy.net has SSH and Telnet enabled by default. We just want to make sure the service is available when you need it, so you do not end up wishing you had enabled it before. Of course you have to make sure you change your passwords but this counts for all services not just SSH. Thank you Dimitri http://www.e-zy.net EZ-Go-2 Now shipping at $83.00 MSRP http://www.e-zy.net/outdoor/EZ-Go/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
