Re: [WISPA] Scott Stevens

[Gino A. Villarini]

Very sad news indeed, RIP Scott

From:  on behalf of Richard Bernhardt 

Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 1:59 PM
To: "j...@mvn.net" , WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Scott Stevens

Oh my.  Deep and heartfelt condolences to Scott's family and friends.  I am 
deeply saddened to hear this news.  Thanks for letting us know John.  - Richard 
Bernhardt

On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 10:49 AM John Scrivner 
mailto:j...@mvn.net>> wrote:
This note just came up on Scott Steven's Facebook page:

On a mountain top, overlooking the ocean, at a tower site in Northern 
Washington on Monday, October 15th, Scottie sadly took his own life. They say 
the spot was beautiful, and everyone knows that broadband technology was his 
passion; perhaps he is finally at peace.

He left behind three children; Sahara, Tate, and Ty. His dad Jay, mom Deb, 
brothers Shawn and Chad, and his sister Jenny. And many family and friends who 
will miss him dearly.

There will be a gathering to share stories, look at pictures of his life, write 
messages that will be carried away by balloons, journal memories in a notebook 
that will be given to his boys Tate and Ty and his daughter Sahara, and embrace 
all of those who lost him.

All are welcome, his kids deserve the opportunity to know their dad through 
your experiences with him. His laughter was contagious, his mind was brilliant, 
and like us all...sometimes, he could be a bit of a punk; no matter your 
history with him, come share your stories and hear all of ours.

An event will be created soon and the invitation is open to all. We will open 
the house up to guests on November 3rd, 2018 (Saturday). We would love locals 
to bring a dish to share too!!

November 3, 2018 (11/3/18)
Location: Hood River, OR
*Address will be in event details.
Time: 1pm to closing:)

Please feel free to message any of us for additional details:

Tricia 
Stevens
Chad 
Stevens
Juris 
Stevens
 (Jay)

We are all very sad and this is very difficult for the boys who are 11 & 9, and 
Sahara who is 19.
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] SOHO router hack

[Gino A. Villarini]

Thanks Josh

AFMUG apparently is not…

From: mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf 
of Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>" 
mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>
Date: Monday, May 28, 2018 at 9:53 AM
To: "memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>" 
mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>
Cc: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>, 
"a...@afmug.com<mailto:a...@afmug.com>" mailto:a...@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] SOHO router hack

Working Gino


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373




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On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Test

From: mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf 
of Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us>>
Reply-To: "memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>" 
mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>
Date: Friday, May 25, 2018 at 7:19 PM
To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>, 
"a...@afmug.com<mailto:a...@afmug.com>" 
mailto:a...@afmug.com>>, 
"memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>" 
mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>
Subject: [WISPA Members] SOHO router hack

FBI recommends users at a minimum reboot their router to kill the malware.  
Factory default, upgrade firmware and change passwords etc. is the best fix.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/05/fbi-tells-router-users-to-reboot-now-to-kill-malware-infecting-500k-devices/




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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] SOHO router hack

[Gino A. Villarini]

Test

From: <members-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf 
of Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>>
Reply-To: "memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>" 
<memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>
Date: Friday, May 25, 2018 at 7:19 PM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>, 
"a...@afmug.com<mailto:a...@afmug.com>" 
<a...@afmug.com<mailto:a...@afmug.com>>, 
"memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>" 
<memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>
Subject: [WISPA Members] SOHO router hack

FBI recommends users at a minimum reboot their router to kill the malware.  
Factory default, upgrade firmware and change passwords etc. is the best fix.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/05/fbi-tells-router-users-to-reboot-now-to-kill-malware-infecting-500k-devices/




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[WISPA] Wispapalooza - Where is the Gear Beef?

[Gino A. Villarini]

It doesn’t seen that Wispapalooza is the new gear coming out party it once was? 
No new gear announced? Has the industry lost its shine?

Nothing new from Mimosa

UBNT just showing just another 5 ghz backhaul

Cambium with just another backhaul too? And AC Epmp… nothing spectacular either

Where is the new gear in 24 ghz? Multiband backhaul? (5,24,60), more 60 ghz? 
SFP ports?



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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Fwd: Re: Puerto Rico assistance

[Gino A. Villarini]

Lol similar situation here… all hotels booked by FEMA/DHS staff… little action

From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf 
of Michael Meluskey <m...@broadband.vi<mailto:m...@broadband.vi>>



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Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Date: Friday, September 29, 2017 at 12:50 PM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Cc: "memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>" 
<memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Fwd: Re: Puerto Rico assistance

As are US Virgin Islanders.
We have seen FEMA / DHS talk a big game in the VI, but they have accomplished 
very little.  They did send the marines to clear a remote road on St. John.  No 
fuel help, no transport help.  But they have filled all our hotel rooms and are 
enjoying room service and air conditioning.
Mike - going on a diesel fuel run to a remote tower site

On Sep 29, 2017, at 12:16 PM, Jack Unger 
<jun...@ask-wi.com<mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com>> wrote:


Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens.

The Internet is "critical infrastructure".

Is there anything that WISPA can do in Washington D.C. to "remind" the FCC, 
FEMA and DHS of these facts and light a fire under their butts?

jack

On 9/27/2017 7:20 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
We are in touch with FEMA and DHS… but no help…

From: <members-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf 
of Michael Meluskey <m...@broadband.vi<mailto:m...@broadband.vi>>
Reply-To: "memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>" 
<memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>
Date: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 at 3:41 PM
To: "memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>" 
<memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Fwd: Re: [WISPA] Puerto Rico assistance

Hi Guys,
Broadband VI is in a similar predicament as Gino.  We had double the pleasure, 
Irma for St. Thomas and St. John, Maria for St. Croix.
We are taking advantage of private relief aircraft for our critical material.

Since Aeronet is critical infrastructure, FEMA and DHS have people dedicated to 
helping Telcos.  Gino needs to find these people and have them ship down the 
gear he needs.

Mike Meluskey
Broadband VI




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President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



On Sep 27, 2017, at 3:31 PM, Jack Unger 
<jun...@ask-wi.com<mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com>> wrote:


 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Re: [WISPA] Puerto Rico assistance
Date:   Tue, 26 Sep 2017 23:03:07 -0400
From:   Brian Webster 
<i...@wirelessmapping.com><mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>
Reply-To:   WISPA General List 
<wireless@wispa.org><mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
To: 'WISPA General List' <wireless@wispa.org><mailto:wireless@wispa.org>


Daniel,
I am heading up the WECAT response for this. Please send me an 
email to bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com<mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>. 
Gino Villarini is a large WISP on the island who has requested help. The 
problem is logistics right now. His replacement equipment is still stateside 
and we are working on ways to get it to him. He has asked that I coordinate the 
manpower resources and response. There are no scheduled commercial flights to 
the island yet. Until he gets the equipment there,. Having people show up is 
not prudent. He is working on a detailed manpower list for me once that 
equipment hits the island.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com<http://www.wirelessmapping.com/>
www.Broadband-Mapping.com

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Daniel K
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:10 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: [WISPA] Puerto Rico assistance

Back in 2005 Mac Dearman had organized some relief for the gulf coast after 
Hurricane Katrina -- I believe it was under an organization called 
RadioResponse, which I'm not finding much on now.

I spent several weeks with them in Mississippi helping set up phones, 
communications, and computers for several of the shelters and helping some of 
the local WISPs get back on their feet.

Does anyone know of anything similar for Puerto Rico? I don't have much for 
resources but do have an authorized climber certification and a strong 
electrical, mechanical, network, and WISP background that I'm sure could 
benefit any similar effort if there is one.


Thanks,

Dan

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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Fwd: Re: Puerto Rico assistance

[Gino A. Villarini]

FEMA / DHS have been worthless in helping us out …

From: <members-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf 
of Steve Coran <sco...@lermansenter.com<mailto:sco...@lermansenter.com>>
Reply-To: "memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>" 
<memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>
Date: Friday, September 29, 2017 at 12:38 PM
To: "memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>" 
<memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>, WISPA General List 
<wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Cc: "bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com<mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>" 
<bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com<mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Fwd: Re: [WISPA] Puerto Rico assistance

To the extent any WISPA member needs relief from FCC rules in an emergency 
situation (e.g., an STA to operate at variance from FCC licenses), that is 
something that we are prepared to do.  But, that need is not known right now.  
I understand Gino is in contact with the feds on the ground in PR, and Mike 
Meluskey has reported that he is working with them in USVI.  Brian Webster and 
I are communicating about equipment delivery, but I’m not sure if that is a 
FEMA/DHS issue or not.  There is equipment stateside for Gino, we just need to 
get it there.  I know Brian is working hard on that, and I’ve tried as well.

Stephen E. Coran
Lerman Senter PLLC<http://www.lermansenter.com/>|2001 L Street, NW, Suite 400 | 
Washington, DC 20036
202-416-6744 (o) | 202-669-3288 (m) | 
sco...@lermansenter.com<mailto:sco...@lermansenter.com>  |@stevecoran – twitter

From: members-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 12:16 PM
To: memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Fwd: Re: [WISPA] Puerto Rico assistance


Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens.

The Internet is "critical infrastructure".

Is there anything that WISPA can do in Washington D.C. to "remind" the FCC, 
FEMA and DHS of these facts and light a fire under their butts?

jack




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President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On 9/27/2017 7:20 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
We are in touch with FEMA and DHS… but no help…

From: <members-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf 
of Michael Meluskey <m...@broadband.vi<mailto:m...@broadband.vi>>
Reply-To: "memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>" 
<memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>
Date: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 at 3:41 PM
To: "memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>" 
<memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Fwd: Re: [WISPA] Puerto Rico assistance

Hi Guys,
Broadband VI is in a similar predicament as Gino.  We had double the pleasure, 
Irma for St. Thomas and St. John, Maria for St. Croix.
We are taking advantage of private relief aircraft for our critical material.

Since Aeronet is critical infrastructure, FEMA and DHS have people dedicated to 
helping Telcos.  Gino needs to find these people and have them ship down the 
gear he needs.

Mike Meluskey
Broadband VI




Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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On Sep 27, 2017, at 3:31 PM, Jack Unger 
<jun...@ask-wi.com<mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com>> wrote:


 Forwarded Message 
Subject:

Re: [WISPA] Puerto Rico assistance

Date:

Tue, 26 Sep 2017 23:03:07 -0400

From:

Brian Webster <i...@wirelessmapping.com><mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>

Reply-To:

WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org><mailto:wireless@wispa.org>

To:

'WISPA General List' <wireless@wispa.org><mailto:wireless@wispa.org>


Daniel,
I am heading up the WECAT response for this. Please send me an 
email to bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com<mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>. 
Gino Villarini is a large WISP on the island who has requested help. The 
problem is logistics right now. His replacement equipment is still stateside 
and we are working on ways to get it to him. He has asked that I coordinate the 
manpower resources and response. There are no scheduled commercial flights to 
the island yet. Until he gets the equipment there,. Having people show up is 
not prudent. He is working on a detailed manpower list for me once that 
equipment hits the island.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com<http://www.wirelessmapping.com/>
www.Broadband-Mapping.com

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
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Re: [WISPA] UPS Suggestion

[Gino A. Villarini]

APC 750xl with 9606 card

On 7/11/17, 1:42 PM, "wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Bob
Moldashel" <wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of lakel...@gbcx.net>
wrote:

>Guys,
>
>I am looking for a light UPS with SNMP network capabilities. It only
>needs to run my backhaul radio long enough to transmit a power loss alarm.
>
>Anyone have any suggestions???
>
>Tnx
>
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[WISPA] Juniper MX repair?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Got a MX unit bought on Ebay with HW failure, anyone can recommend a repair 
shop?



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Re: [WISPA] Source for Fortigate reseller

[Gino A. Villarini]

We are a Meraki shop, but this particular customer required Fortigate

From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf 
of Mike Francis <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net<mailto:mfran...@jmfsolutions.net>>



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Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Date: Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 11:19 AM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Source for Fortigate reseller


It is not Cisco or Sonicwall! The list is long. For us we have always been a 
Cisco & Mikrotik shop, but felt we were messing  a piece of the security and 
firewall business. Mikoritk has a great firewall, but it is not active o what 
you would consider an Enterprise firewall. Cisco has a great firewall, but it 
is expensive and complex.

We got involved with Fortinet through a client who needed support for several 
hundred units. Once we started dealing with Fortinet we quickly realized how 
powerful what they have built really is. The Unified Threat Management is very 
advanced and very scalable. There are several pieces that make it a  true 
Enterprise solution like the Forti-manger, the Forti-analyzer etc. On top of 
that the Next Gen, IPS, VPN forwarding and processing is very impressive, and 
so are the management, the Virtual Domain, the HA config, the Clustering 
technology and so on. We also do a lot of virtual routing and their 
Fortigate-VM is very nice too. There is a reason these guys are growing so fast 
and are on the top of every security vendor list out there.

Another thing is that they really vet their partners. One thing that I have 
noticed in the security industry is that if a IT guys says he/she is using a 
sonicwall, that is a potential red flag.  +80% of the time they have no idea 
what they are doing. When someone says they are a Fortinet Partner, they have 
been through the proper training, been vetted and it is much more likely you 
are talking to someone who knows what they are doing.

Thank you,

John Michael Francis II
JMF Solutions, Inc
Wavefly - Internet | Voip | Cloud
INC 5000 #2593
CRN Fast Growth #105
251-517-5069
http://jmfsolutions.net
http://wavefly.com

"People are unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered. Love them anyway. If 
you do good, people may accuse you of selfish motives. Do good anyway. If you 
are successful, you may win false friends and true enemies. Succeed anyway. The 
good you do today may be forgotten tomorrow. Do good anyway. Honesty and 
transparency make you vulnerable. Be honest and transparent anyway. What you 
spend years building may be destroyed overnight. Build anyway. People who 
really want help may attack you if you help them. Help them anyway. Give the 
world the best you have and you may get hurt. Give the world your best anyway." 
By: Mother Teresa
On 5/12/2017 6:20 PM, Jon Langeler wrote:
What's some of the selling points with Fortigate?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On May 12, 2017, at 4:34 PM, Mike Francis 
<mfran...@jmfsolutions.net<mailto:mfran...@jmfsolutions.net>> wrote:


We are a Forigate partner and do a lot of Fortigate business. I will send you a 
quote.

Thank you,

John Michael Francis II
JMF Solutions, Inc
Wavefly - Internet | Voip | Cloud
INC 5000 #2593
CRN Fast Growth #105
251-517-5069
http://jmfsolutions.net
http://wavefly.com

"People are unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered. Love them anyway. If 
you do good, people may accuse you of selfish motives. Do good anyway. If you 
are successful, you may win false friends and true enemies. Succeed anyway. The 
good you do today may be forgotten tomorrow. Do good anyway. Honesty and 
transparency make you vulnerable. Be honest and transparent anyway. What you 
spend years building may be destroyed overnight. Build anyway. People who 
really want help may attack you if you help them. Help them anyway. Give the 
world the best you have and you may get hurt. Give the world your best anyway." 
By: Mother Teresa
On 5/12/2017 3:15 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
Need a quote for 30 FortiWifi-30E units



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[WISPA] Source for Fortigate reseller

[Gino A. Villarini]

Need a quote for 30 FortiWifi-30E units



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Re: [WISPA] LinkNYC

[Gino A. Villarini]

Nice, any idea who’s the fiber provider?

From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> on behalf 
of Benjamin Huang <benhuang21...@gmail.com<mailto:benhuang21...@gmail.com>>



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Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Date: Friday, April 28, 2017 at 1:47 PM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LinkNYC

Here's a pdf of their product offering

https://www.intersection.com/assets/pdfs/Intersection_Map_and_Products.pdf

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Benjamin Huang 
<benhuang21...@gmail.com<mailto:benhuang21...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hey Gino:

Yes it's part of Google's Sidewalk lab company name Intersection

https://www.intersection.com/

Rumors are, they are working on rolling this out to more cities with Dallas and 
Chicago being the front runner

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
<g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:


Anyone has info on this project? Specially who is the fiber provider ?

Visited NYC last week and was able to see how the project is advancing, saw 
more than 40+ kiosks, all providing free-no holds barred Wifi, several 
speedtests I ran were in the 100 Mbps+




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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From: Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>
Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 10:58 AM
To: Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>>
Subject: Dd






Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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[WISPA] DPI Alert System

[Gino A. Villarini]

We Are looking to implement a Deep Packet Inspection System that would alert
us of malicious traffic...

Any ideas ?

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RE: [WISPA] DPI Alert System

[Gino A. Villarini]

Anyone with experience with Allot ?

Gino A. Villarini
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jon Langeler
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 2:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] DPI Alert System

I was looking for the same. Someone on the list said they looked at 
Juniper and someone else and settled upon Astaro.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Tech.

Gino A. Villarini wrote:

We Are looking to implement a Deep Packet Inspection System that would
alert
us of malicious traffic...

Any ideas ?

Gino A. Villarini
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Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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RE: [WISPA] DPI Alert System

[Gino A. Villarini]

Manage p2p
Kill spam
Kill network viruses
Kill malicious traffic
Prioritize protocols

Capable of inspecting layer 2 traffinc including vlans

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:37 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] DPI Alert System

Gino, what is it exactly you want to do?...squelch P2P outbound?...kill off
bots sending SPAM?...
. . . j o n a t h a n

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:28 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] DPI Alert System

Anyone with experience with Allot ?

Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jon Langeler
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 2:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DPI Alert System

I was looking for the same. Someone on the list said they looked at 
Juniper and someone else and settled upon Astaro.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Tech.

Gino A. Villarini wrote:

We Are looking to implement a Deep Packet Inspection System that would
alert
us of malicious traffic...

Any ideas ?

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RE: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finally understand it

[Gino A. Villarini]

Now I stand corrected... Rich has cleared things up

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rich Comroe
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 1:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally
understand it

Patrick, I agree with your engineer's description.  But I'd argue the use of
the word prioritization is incorrectly applied to Canopy.  Canopy doesn't
prioritize VoIP.  Priority schemes infer media access preference.  Canopy's
separate pre-allocated partitions have nothing to do with prioritization as
VoIP and general traffic do not compete for a common partition (they each
have their own).

VL uses prioritization (and uses the term correctly), as VoIP is given
priority access (most likely by permitting access with a shorter time gap
following other transmissions than general data ... thus VoIP grabs the
media first).  If VL claims to be the first to implement a VoIP priority it
only depends whether anyone else has implemented a true priority scheme
already.  Canopy's is not a priority scheme in any sense of the term.
Prioritization has the clear advantage (no pun intended).  Canopy
essentially divides the rf into subchannels which loses the ability to
dynamically use the channel for in-vs-out, VoIP-vs-general, etc.  As the 3rd
party testing described, the VoIP call volume cited could only be achieved
in a VoIP-only configuration.  A true prioritization mechanism (such as
embodied in VL) is far superior to pre-allocated partitions in so, so many
ways.

Rich
  - Original Message - 
  From: Patrick Leary 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 6:57 PM
  Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally
understand it


  Gino,

  After you informed me of the way prioritization occurs in your solution,
  I asked one of our sharp engineers to articulate the differences to me.
  Here was his reply back and I'd be interested in your feedback:

  
  The [prioritization mechanism in the] __ system is different than VL
  in the way it is deployed and the way it will deploy a priority network.
  With VL the bandwidth for the sector is totally dynamic, any direction
  demand can utilize the entire capacity of the base station.  __
  pre-defines the amount up and down to the sector.  Their implementation
  of the prioritization is stated for DSCP only where we can do it also
  for ToS.  I am not sure if that is unique but keep it in the back of
  your head.  

  Our WLP is also dynamic; where he stated that you specify the amount of
  bandwidth for the priority channel, our can/will fluctuate every
  microsecond during the communication.  This will also happen
  independently in each direction.  Because there is a potential for over
  subscription of prioritized traffic, VL also has an option to set aside
  some bandwidth for best effort traffic incase the provider creates too
  much prioritized traffic.  This prevents the FTP from a customer from
  breaking during the high priority traffic times.  
  

  Make sense?

  Patrick Leary
  AVP WISP Markets
  Alvarion, Inc.
  o: 650.314.2628
  c: 760.580.0080
  Vonage: 650.641.1243
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
  Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 4:24 PM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally
  understand it

  Back home...ahhh to bad when it ends...

  Frankly , I don't know ... maybe has to due with the TDD system, next
  firmware release should improve overall pps capacity

  Gino A. Villarini
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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of Patrick Leary
  Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 2:03 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally
  understand it

  It does sound like a similar smart mechanism Gino -- I stand corrected.
  If this is who I assume it is though, then why do they report such low
  VoIP performance per SM and per AP? ...but don't answer any of this
  until after you leave Vail. Better that you should just enjoy your
  vacation. Sounds great.

  Patrick

  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
  Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:37 AM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally
  understand it

  Well, I haven't replied to this earlier cause Im on vacation (skiing @
  Vail
  ) but now, let me add  some info...

  I don't want to get involved in a gear fight, but a brand x gear has a
  Per
  Sector

RE: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finally understand it

[Gino A. Villarini]

Back home...ahhh to bad when it ends...

Frankly , I don't know ... maybe has to due with the TDD system, next
firmware release should improve overall pps capacity

Gino A. Villarini
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 2:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally
understand it

It does sound like a similar smart mechanism Gino -- I stand corrected.
If this is who I assume it is though, then why do they report such low
VoIP performance per SM and per AP? ...but don't answer any of this
until after you leave Vail. Better that you should just enjoy your
vacation. Sounds great.

Patrick

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:37 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally
understand it

Well, I haven't replied to this earlier cause Im on vacation (skiing @
Vail
) but now, let me add  some info...

I don't want to get involved in a gear fight, but a brand x gear has a
Per
Sector prioritization of traffic. It works like this:

You set the cpe to identify the traffic to be prioritized using
Diffserv, (
it can be any type of traffic not just voip)

Then you activate on the cpe the high priority channel option

Set how much bandwidth this high priority channel would use

And you are done,

The Sector AP identifies all the cpes on the sector using this feature
and
assings them a 2nd slot of time for this traffic for each cpe, so  cpe's
using this feature have 2 slots of time to talk to the ap, 1 for
priority
traffic, the other for regural traffic.  Sector wide , all high priority
channels of all cpes have priority over regular cpes...

So Patrick, what do you think



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 12:59 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally
understand it

I don't think so Gino, but I'm open to be proven wrong. Tell me who else
can actually prioritize over the air sector wide. I'm talking about not
just pushing out the voice first on any given CPE, I'm talking about ALL
the CPE on a sector being able to send its que'd voice out before any
CPE can release data into the sector?

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 2:19 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally
understand it

Patrick, not to rain on you parade but you guys area actually 2nd on
this RF
prioritization feature

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally
understand
it

...So I'm here at our annual national meeting and our project manager is
explaining the Wireless Link Prioritization feature available for
BreezeACCESS VL. Frankly, it has always seemed esoteric to those of us
non-technical types, but now I got and it is simple enough.

First, I learned the statistical improvement in churn when a provider
has double play VoIP + data customers. We have had a few CLECs report to
us that with a single play model their churn is about 9%. Adding double
play takes it down to close to 1%. This is critical to the business
model because they said a 10% reduction in churn translates into about a
20% improvement in NPV per subscriber. That's obviously huge. So what's
the WLP feature available in BreezeACCESS VL have to do with any of
this?

BreezeACCESS VL can already do QoS priority tagging of packets per CPE
using layer 2 (802.11p), layer 3 (IP TOS, DSCP) or layer 4 (TCP/UDP port
ranges common with Cisco, for example). That's good and already better
than most brands of BWA gear. BUT, that's only PER CPE. In a typical
situation, this does not help at all when multiple CPE are on a sector
-- there is no prioritization at the RF level in unlicensed from any
brand...until now.

WLP (also called multimedia application prioritization) actually solves
this and enables over-the-air prioritization for the first time in the
industry. The translation for this is that BreezeACCESS VL can now
deliver massive VoIP, up to 288 concurrent calls per

RE: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finally understand it

[Gino A. Villarini]

Well, I haven't replied to this earlier cause Im on vacation (skiing @ Vail
) but now, let me add  some info...

I don't want to get involved in a gear fight, but a brand x gear has a Per
Sector prioritization of traffic. It works like this:

You set the cpe to identify the traffic to be prioritized using Diffserv, (
it can be any type of traffic not just voip)

Then you activate on the cpe the high priority channel option

Set how much bandwidth this high priority channel would use

And you are done,

The Sector AP identifies all the cpes on the sector using this feature and
assings them a 2nd slot of time for this traffic for each cpe, so  cpe's
using this feature have 2 slots of time to talk to the ap, 1 for priority
traffic, the other for regural traffic.  Sector wide , all high priority
channels of all cpes have priority over regular cpes...

So Patrick, what do you think



Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 12:59 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally
understand it

I don't think so Gino, but I'm open to be proven wrong. Tell me who else
can actually prioritize over the air sector wide. I'm talking about not
just pushing out the voice first on any given CPE, I'm talking about ALL
the CPE on a sector being able to send its que'd voice out before any
CPE can release data into the sector?

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 2:19 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally
understand it

Patrick, not to rain on you parade but you guys area actually 2nd on
this RF
prioritization feature

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally
understand
it

...So I'm here at our annual national meeting and our project manager is
explaining the Wireless Link Prioritization feature available for
BreezeACCESS VL. Frankly, it has always seemed esoteric to those of us
non-technical types, but now I got and it is simple enough.

First, I learned the statistical improvement in churn when a provider
has double play VoIP + data customers. We have had a few CLECs report to
us that with a single play model their churn is about 9%. Adding double
play takes it down to close to 1%. This is critical to the business
model because they said a 10% reduction in churn translates into about a
20% improvement in NPV per subscriber. That's obviously huge. So what's
the WLP feature available in BreezeACCESS VL have to do with any of
this?

BreezeACCESS VL can already do QoS priority tagging of packets per CPE
using layer 2 (802.11p), layer 3 (IP TOS, DSCP) or layer 4 (TCP/UDP port
ranges common with Cisco, for example). That's good and already better
than most brands of BWA gear. BUT, that's only PER CPE. In a typical
situation, this does not help at all when multiple CPE are on a sector
-- there is no prioritization at the RF level in unlicensed from any
brand...until now.

WLP (also called multimedia application prioritization) actually solves
this and enables over-the-air prioritization for the first time in the
industry. The translation for this is that BreezeACCESS VL can now
deliver massive VoIP, up to 288 concurrent calls per sector with a MOS
(mean opinion score - a rating of voice quality) of 4.1. That's a
phenomenal quantity that is more than 10x our main competitor as spelled
out in their own relevant VoIP document.

So why not just use VL with firmware version 4.0 without getting the WLP
feature? The WLP is the key to get the quantity AND THE QUALITY of
service since it reserves air priority for the VoIP. So, in a double
play business model, it is essential to get MOS voice quality of at
least 4.1 and even 4.33 you must implement the WLP.

I believe it can now be said without reservation, that if you are using
unlicensed and wanting to implement a double play of VoIP + data, the
ONLY product out there that can do it in scale and with toll quality is
BreezeACCESS VL. 

Regards,

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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RE: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finally understand it

[Gino A. Villarini]

Patrick, not to rain on you parade but you guys area actually 2nd on this RF
prioritization feature

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally understand
it

...So I'm here at our annual national meeting and our project manager is
explaining the Wireless Link Prioritization feature available for
BreezeACCESS VL. Frankly, it has always seemed esoteric to those of us
non-technical types, but now I got and it is simple enough.

First, I learned the statistical improvement in churn when a provider
has double play VoIP + data customers. We have had a few CLECs report to
us that with a single play model their churn is about 9%. Adding double
play takes it down to close to 1%. This is critical to the business
model because they said a 10% reduction in churn translates into about a
20% improvement in NPV per subscriber. That's obviously huge. So what's
the WLP feature available in BreezeACCESS VL have to do with any of
this?

BreezeACCESS VL can already do QoS priority tagging of packets per CPE
using layer 2 (802.11p), layer 3 (IP TOS, DSCP) or layer 4 (TCP/UDP port
ranges common with Cisco, for example). That's good and already better
than most brands of BWA gear. BUT, that's only PER CPE. In a typical
situation, this does not help at all when multiple CPE are on a sector
-- there is no prioritization at the RF level in unlicensed from any
brand...until now.

WLP (also called multimedia application prioritization) actually solves
this and enables over-the-air prioritization for the first time in the
industry. The translation for this is that BreezeACCESS VL can now
deliver massive VoIP, up to 288 concurrent calls per sector with a MOS
(mean opinion score - a rating of voice quality) of 4.1. That's a
phenomenal quantity that is more than 10x our main competitor as spelled
out in their own relevant VoIP document.

So why not just use VL with firmware version 4.0 without getting the WLP
feature? The WLP is the key to get the quantity AND THE QUALITY of
service since it reserves air priority for the VoIP. So, in a double
play business model, it is essential to get MOS voice quality of at
least 4.1 and even 4.33 you must implement the WLP.

I believe it can now be said without reservation, that if you are using
unlicensed and wanting to implement a double play of VoIP + data, the
ONLY product out there that can do it in scale and with toll quality is
BreezeACCESS VL. 

Regards,

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion

[Gino A. Villarini]

You can use 5.3 with 28db dishes and your tx set to 3 - 4 db power, that
would give you a expected rsss of -75, good if the area is clean of noise.

Or do 5.8 full power and expect a -63 using cm9 cards

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Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 5:07 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion

Thanks Mac and Travis... This does sound like a no-brainer.  How about a 
12-mile link with 5.3 or 5.8?

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
- Original Message - 
From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:53 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion


I do use their dishes where I have a large enough tower, water tower or a
 roof. I will tell ya though - - the 29dbi grids are mighty fine, much less
 expensive than a solid dish, wind load is no comparison as well as the 
 ease
 of mounting. If you are leasing tower space - - the grid is a no brainer
 unless you have to have the extra db that comes with a dish.

 Mac Dearman

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
 Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:28 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion

 Are we preferring their grids to dishes?

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:18 PM
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion


 Mark,

  I have several 8 mile 5.3GHz links (YMMV) using PacWireless 26dbi grids,
 MT  CM9's. IMHO you can't go wrong using the PacWireless antennas. I 
 have
 built a wireless network that covers 12% of Louisiana utilizing their
 antennas exclusively for my BH. Well - I do have several of the Trango
 dual
 polarity ext's.

 Mac Dearman

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
 Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:12 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion

 I have usually used Trango backhauls, so I have not had to worry about 5
 GHz

 antennas and what to choose.  Now I'm going to try a MikroTik backhaul
 with
 a CM9.  Currently, I've got two applications:

 1. 2-mile link that I can perhaps use 5.3GHz over.

 2. 8-mile link that I'll go 5.8GHz over.

 What antennas have you used to accomplish links such as these...

 Also, kI have heard that the output power of the CM9 in a MikroTik can be
 adjusted.  Experience?

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
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[WISPA] WTB: Ethernet to DS3 converters

[Gino A. Villarini]

Offlist if anyone has them available

Gino A. Villarini
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RE: [WISPA] PAcket loss with CSMA/CA

[Gino A. Villarini]

Imho, packet loss on your system is happening when the latency or retrans is
exceeding the tcp timeout ..?

Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 8:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] PAcket loss with CSMA/CA

I just installed a PTP 900Mhz Atheros SR9 StarOSV3 link that had 5% packet 
loss that I could not get rid of.
(Set 12mbps modulation, and averaged greater than 20db SNR.)

In theory, CSMA/CA should not get PAcket loss, like a TDD system might, as 
the CSMA waits for acknowledment and re-transmits if it does not get it, 
Wifi's built-in native ARQ.

I was not surprices to see Latency skyrocket, or retransmisson to sky 
rocket, but I was surprised to see uncorrectable 5% packetloss.
Any ideas on why it occured.  Meaning why 802.11 MAC didn't self correct the

packet loss with its native re-transmission?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 4:47 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived - 
regardinginterference - Part 1


I go to see Mickey Mouse for a few days and look where this thread has
gone...wow

So, my 2 cents...

One of the largest concerns in the license-exempt world is the question of a
system's interference robustness.  However, before we can get into further
detail on the pros and cons of Alvarion VL vs Canopy, CSMA/CA vs GPS, etc --
it is necessary to realize that interference as a term is extremely broad
and vague, and can mean just about anything to anyone.  Heck, all radios in
the market have some sort of interference robustness / avoidance
capability -- the trick to understanding a system's capabilities is knowing
what TYPE of interference the system can actually handle.  Read on...I'll
talk more about each particular platform when I get some time to write Part
2 =)



WHAT IS INTERERENCE?

In the wireless world, interference, by definition, is a situation where
unwanted radio signals operate in the same frequency channels or bands -
i.e. they mutually interfere, disrupt or add to the overall noise level in
the intended transmission.

Interference can be divided into two forms, based on whether it comes from
your own network(s) or from an outside source.  If the interfering RF
signals emanate from a network under your control, whether it is on the same
tower or several miles away, it is termed self-interference.  If the
opposing signals come from a network, device or other source that is not
under your control, it is termed outside interference.  Thus, the
definition of what type of interference is being combated is not based on
technology, but ownership.

In licensed bands, where spectrum is relatively scarce (due to high costs)
self-interference alone must be taken into account; however given a more or
less known operating environment (the radio spectrum will only have signals
transmitting that are under control by a single entity) proper product
design and network deployment can reduce these interferes to a level where
they do not impact network performance.

Self-interference is not a phenomenon that is confined to licensed band
operations; license-exempt bands must address the same issues.  The
techniques and design elements of a given product that serve to reduce and
tame self-interference in licensed band operations can be applied directly
to license-exempt systems.

THE LICENSE-EXEMPT CHALLENGE OF INTERFERENCE

In the license-exempt bands, not only must self-interference be accounted
for, but, given the nature of the regulations governing these bands,
external interference must be designed for as well.  This can be extremely
challenging, as there is no way of knowing in advance where these outside
signals may be or will be sourced from, or even how strong the interfering
transmissions will be relative to the desired transmission.  This aspect of
the license-exempt bands represents the possible downside of
license-exempt network operation.

Yet as potentially damaging and unpredictable as external interference can
be in license-exempt networks, a properly designed and implemented broadband
wireless system can make a significant difference in the performance of a
network under siege from unwanted external radio transmissions.

DEALING WITH COCHANNEL INTERFERENCE: PHY LAYER

1. Modulation  the C/I Ratio

At the most fundamental level, an interfering RF source disrupts the digital
transmission by making it too difficult for the receiving station to
decode the signal.  How much noise or interference a digital RF
transmission can tolerate depends on the modulation used.

Fundamentally, modulation is the method whereby zeros and ones are
communicated by varying one of three

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived

[Gino A. Villarini]

Oh Patrick, you couldn't resist  Motorola is extremely conservative on
the spec sheet.  4.21 Mbps Net typical where you get that?  I got
Advantage customers at 10 miles getting full 14 Mbps ...It may not be the
most effective modulation, but is a very good compromise between performance
and interference rejection.  And don't negate the fact that GPS is a must
have tool for Cell deployment, It saves you spectrum, tower space and I can
play nice with other carriers using Canopy... Why you think all cell
carriers rely on GPS ?

Let me see a VL 6 60 deg Sector using only 60 Mhz of channels 

Let me see 3 VL Carriers sharing 1 tower



Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 12:15 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived

Jon,

With a proper channel plan that is just not the case, not to mention
things like ATPC. Things like WiMAX use it because there you are dealing
with small frequency allocations where every last ounce of efficiency
needs to be found. In UL that is not the case since there is so much
more spectrum to work with. 

Please don't try to tell me Canopy's use of GPS is good example of UL
efficiency. We both know Canopy's use of GPS is more the reality of the
fact that Canopy is always talking and has no ATPC so the GPS is used to
keep it from stepping on itself. 

And speaking about efficiency, even the Canopy Advantage is a very
inefficient modulation relative to something like VL. Advantage, but
Motorola's own spec sheet, delivers 4.25mbps net typical, 14mbps max (to
1 mile) in a 20MHz channel. VL does over 30mbps net max with typical
over the air in an LOS environment being something like 80% of that well
over 1 mile.

In any event, there exist too many examples to count of scaled VL
networks with co-located cells say you are incorrect in your assertion
that VL can't be built in a cellular topology. It is a silly thing to
assert in fact.

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jon Langeler
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 9:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived

With VL, you still run into the issue of self interference in a cellular

deployment(many tower sites in a region). The only products I'm aware of

that cooperate properly in a cellular deployment are minimally GPS 
capable, and the advanced products that support things like hand-off or 
N:1 deployment go beyond that with 2-way base station to base station 
communication. Technologies such as wimax, 3G, fiber networks, etc. all 
use GPS to to improve efficiency and operation. IMO VL may still be a 
good product to deploy, but just not in a cellular or colocated 
deployment.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Tech.

Tom DeReggi wrote:

 Charles,

 Although your comment is true, and you left out on the fly flexibilty,

 what people want is not always the best value, at the end of the day 
 with all things considered.
 The value of consistent availability and right out of the box 
 deployment is PRICELIST!  This doesn't only save cost of installer 
 labor, but also management labor in purchasing and aquisition.

 I'll share something from my experience that I find is Ironic as heck.

 I always looked at Alvarion as the high end market gear, but its being

 a stronger residential play.   I recently have done a lot with 
 War/StarV3 for high end business, mostly Point to Point links, because

 I can get good speed, flexibilty to reach the neighboring building, 
 and great testing tools with things like Iperf  BUILT-IN able to test 
 Ethernet connections as well as RF conclusively link by link, as hops 
 increase as the backbone mesh grows.  Alvarion is also a great product

 for high end business, which I'm also using in some cases, but I have 
 a higher cost to accomplish that, since StarOS has dual radio slots.  
 Where Alvarion has now shown undisputable advantage based on its new 
 low price, is in its residential application. The difference between 
 $185 and $285, is almost nothing compared to my time savings in 
 operations.  The ease of opening the box and installing a VL is 
 unmatched.  What VL does for me, is that it gives me confidence in 
 using subcontractors to isntall. Because I know they'll take the time 
 to make sure they get the best signal.  With my other gear, its such a

 pain to get best signal, I was afraid to use contractors and only do 
 installs with employees by the hour, so their income did not deter 
 them from doing their best job. I gladly pay $100 more for a complete 
 ready to go product. The only thing that keeps me from going 100% 
 Alvarion

RE: [WISPA] FCC meeting with wisps

[Gino A. Villarini]

You folks meeting the FCC, can you ask about 3.65 ghz? 

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] FCC meeting with wisps

I had offered some time ago to help set up a WISPA sponsored and
maintained web mapping server. This server could be tied to a database and
have whatever security is desired to maintain data security. Actual network
coverage footprints for each and every WISP could be possible on these maps
with security implemented to not show the public who covers where. The
benefit of doing this would be to finally show people like the FCC and
Congress the combined footprint of the WISP industry as a whole. With this
combined footprint it is easy to calculate the population, households and
other socio economic data that the WISP industry serves TODAY. For whatever
reason this idea has never taken root. I was not willing to do all of this
for free so that probably stopped it cold. If WISPA were serious about doing
something of this nature I would certainly lend my expertise to outline the
methods and requirements to set something like this up (and yes I would do
that part for free). It's a geographic information systems based software
solution (GIS). Used properly it can be a powerful tool and if WISPA were
armed with this type of hard data they could really start to put pressure on
legislators. We would even be able to tell each legislator what the numbers
were for the WISP's in their specific districts, without a combined base map
data set of the WISP territories it is not possible. It requires all WISP's
to pull together and make their footprint be known and entered in to the
mapping server database. It does not require that it be made public nor
given over to any other entity. WISPA could be the guardian of the data.
This was what I thought WISPA could do for the industry a long time ago. I
made the suggestion but it did not seem like there was a collective voice
that wanted to do this. Is the time right to approach the idea again? If
anyone wants and idea of what types of things GIS can do, there is a link to
a PowerPoint presentation on my web site. It does not specifically address
the concept of what I am proposing but it gives the general idea.
This same system could also be used for any disaster planning and
recovery programs that Marlon mentions.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com 


-Original Message-
From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: Principal WISPA Member List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC meeting with wisps


Those are great points Forbes.

Let me hit on a couple of points.  First, we'll be spending some time 
training again.  There are a lot of new people at the FCC and I hope to get 
them there.  They don't know what a WISP is or why we are so important in 
the market place, let alone what we actually do.  I'm going to try for TWO 
meetings.  One that's really basic and one that would get more detailed 
about current market trends, what's working well and what isn't etc.

Next, your idea on a goal to walk out of there with.  It just so happens 
I've been working, as time allows, on an idea.  As we talked on the phone 
the other day, you had a local disaster hit a week or two ago.  *I* should 
have been down there to help you get your customers back online.  We only 
had one customer go down and who would have known that his chimney and tv 
antenna and my antenna would come down in a 60 mph breeze.  After all, we 
had 80mph a year or two ago  *I* could have gone down there and helped 
out for a couple of days and only had to put off a few installs.  No bid 
deal, people would have understood.  I didn't think of going and you 
probably didn't think of asking.

The idea I've been working on is that we create a database.  A map actually.

On this map we'll list ever provider out there and what technology they use,

what skill sets they have (climbers, network admins etc.).  When a disaster 
hits (like what hit Seattle or whatever), someone with the authority to do 
so will click on the areas around the disaster and start contacting 
providers to see what they can do to help the guys that are in the disaster.

What needs to happen is for FEMA, FCC, Red Cross etc. appoints a liaison 
with WISPA, when the stuff hits the fan, they contact us saying that they 
need access, or whatever, in x areas and we get on the phone and start 
moving help into the area.

I want this to be an official deal.  I want wispa to be in the first few 
phone calls or emails.  I want us to do what we did after Katrina, but I 
want to do it better, faster and in a more coordinated manner

RE: [WISPA] salary

[Gino A. Villarini]

The question I always ask myself is when to stop upgrading and expanding.. 

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] salary

Ditto, and we make enough profit to roll the profit back into our 
business in network upgrades, etc.

If I stopped my upgrades and just collected money, I could lay someone 
off and make a very handsome roi.

George

John Scrivner wrote:
 Yes. We earn salary and profits. It is not as much as I would like but 
 our company is profitable and has been for 9 years.
 Scriv
 
 
 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
 
 Is this all such a big deal?  You guys actually have profits!?

 Brian

 John Scrivner wrote:

 I do not think any WISPs here really know the answer to this. What is 
 needed is an answer from an accountant. If anyone on here is a CPA 
 and can share what the rules are I would be glad to see them. I do 
 not believe that simply drawing profits from a S corp WISP as opposed 
 to taking a salary is tax evasion. In a S corp you pay taxes for 
 profits same as you do for payroll. Where you might have a problem is 
 with unemployment insurance, social security, workmans comp, etc. 
 Those are based on payroll. Profits are not in the calculation. 
 Essentially you are dodging those when you do not take a salary.
 Scriv



 Charles Wu wrote:

 snip
 Zero.  When the CEO is also the primary investor, and the company is 
 an S-corp or LLC, why pay payroll tax, when you can just take a 
 repayment of loan?
 The salary of the CEO can be meaningless unless also disclosed 
 wether they have an equity position or not, and of what caliber.
 /snip

 B/c when you get audited by the IRS (which for any small business, 
 is just a
 matter of time), you will FINED for tax evasion...

 -Charles

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:51 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] salary



 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:55 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] salary


  

 Hi,

 Just taking a quick survey... answer if you can, but be honest... ;)

 What is the salary of the CEO of your ISP? Even if you can share the
 percentage of that salary compared to annual gross revenue...

 Travis
 Microserv
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RE: [WISPA] salary

[Gino A. Villarini]

The never ending story ...

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mac Dearman
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 4:29 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] salary

Gino,


  That's a question that Larsen and I have been hunting an answer to for a
couple years. We both said we were going to sit back and collect some of our
initial investments back over a year ago. I know Larsen is still hanging
gear in every town along the 3 States he borders (get 'em son) and also
created one of the longest production wireless backhaul links (60+ miles)
of anybody anywhere that I am aware of. I too have built 7 new towers in the
last few months and built out about a dozen new towns and gone to all fiber.


My point is this - - - it's a vicious circle! When is enough - enough? We
get a new tower up and swear this is the last, but from that tower there
is another community that is yet without internet connectivity and just one
more little hop will get them caught! It's a never ending story - - - looks
like we need a wireless anonymous group to help us break the cycle!!

 If you find the cure - - send Larsen and myself a double dose.


Mac 




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:51 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] salary

The question I always ask myself is when to stop upgrading and expanding.. 

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] salary

Ditto, and we make enough profit to roll the profit back into our 
business in network upgrades, etc.

If I stopped my upgrades and just collected money, I could lay someone 
off and make a very handsome roi.

George

John Scrivner wrote:
 Yes. We earn salary and profits. It is not as much as I would like but 
 our company is profitable and has been for 9 years.
 Scriv
 
 
 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
 
 Is this all such a big deal?  You guys actually have profits!?

 Brian

 John Scrivner wrote:

 I do not think any WISPs here really know the answer to this. What is 
 needed is an answer from an accountant. If anyone on here is a CPA 
 and can share what the rules are I would be glad to see them. I do 
 not believe that simply drawing profits from a S corp WISP as opposed 
 to taking a salary is tax evasion. In a S corp you pay taxes for 
 profits same as you do for payroll. Where you might have a problem is 
 with unemployment insurance, social security, workmans comp, etc. 
 Those are based on payroll. Profits are not in the calculation. 
 Essentially you are dodging those when you do not take a salary.
 Scriv



 Charles Wu wrote:

 snip
 Zero.  When the CEO is also the primary investor, and the company is 
 an S-corp or LLC, why pay payroll tax, when you can just take a 
 repayment of loan?
 The salary of the CEO can be meaningless unless also disclosed 
 wether they have an equity position or not, and of what caliber.
 /snip

 B/c when you get audited by the IRS (which for any small business, 
 is just a
 matter of time), you will FINED for tax evasion...

 -Charles

 ---
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 Coming to a City Near You
 http://www.winog.com


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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:51 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] salary



 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:55 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] salary


  

 Hi,

 Just taking a quick survey... answer if you can, but be honest... ;)

 What is the salary of the CEO of your ISP? Even if you can share the
 percentage of that salary compared to annual gross revenue...

 Travis
 Microserv
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[WISPA] test

[Gino A. Villarini]

Is this on ?

Gino A. Villarini
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RE: [WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market?

[Gino A. Villarini]

If they are using Nexnet gear... (which I think they are) , is not Wimax ...

Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 11:16 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market?

I was visiting Seattle, and spoke with one of their reps.  Sounds like
they bought up a bunch of university 2.5  2.6 G licenses
inexpensively.  Anyone have feedback on how well their wimax works in
NLOS environments?

Thanks - Marshall
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RE: [WISPA] salary

[Gino A. Villarini]

Possibly if your arpu is $40, if arpu is around $150, compensation should be
about $100k year or so.  That's my experience

Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Smith
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 12:05 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] salary

I've been going through a bunch of sale / merger / buyout / funding meetings
lately, and that's about the salary they've all agreed on for an owner of a
wisp at around 500 users.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] salary

I just take what I need home.  It doesn't amount to much but the company
pays all gas, cell phone, auto repair, computer etc. bills.  So the number
isn't really fair.

We billed an insurance company for some work that I did after a storm, we
negotiated a $4000 per month rate for me as a typical paycheck for a person
with a company of this one's size.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 5:55 PM
Subject: [WISPA] salary


 Hi,

 Just taking a quick survey... answer if you can, but be honest... ;)

 What is the salary of the CEO of your ISP? Even if you can share the 
 percentage of that salary compared to annual gross revenue...

 Travis
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RE: [WISPA] long BH links

[Gino A. Villarini]

Whats the bw requirements?  We have up to 40 milers using Motorola BH10
units

Gino A. Villarini
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Chris Cooper
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 11:28 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] long BH links


We have a client that has needs for some BH links that stretch @ 23 miles.
Links need to be reliable, but cost, as always, is an issue.  The Orthogons
are nice, but the price point can be pretty steep.  The link budget works
with tranzeos but I am a little concerned about reliability. How about the
Atlas? Any other suggestions?

Thanks
Chris

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RE: [WISPA] Need recommendations for a licensed backhaul link

[Gino A. Villarini]

I think Matt needs to go 5.8 ghz, A Orthogon Spectra or similar

Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need recommendations for a licensed backhaul link

I don't think what you want to do is possible Matt.

28 miles is a long way for many bands.  Some of them might do it just fine 
in perfect weather...

6 gig would be a no brainier for this but you have to use 6' dishes.  And I 
don't know that you'll find anything in your price range.

If you want a ds3 38 gig link I've got one sitting in my office though.  2 
or 3 miles is all it'll be good for though :-).

laters,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 5:25 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Need recommendations for a licensed backhaul link


 Hi Matt,

 We'll be in touch

 -Charles --- Sales Droid =/

 ---
 WiNOG Wireless Roadshows
 Coming to a City Near You
 http://www.winog.com



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
 Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 2:00 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [WISPA] Need recommendations for a licensed backhaul link


 Hi all,

 I have a consulting client that needs to do a 28 mile shot in licensed
 with throughput of up to 45meg.  I am looking for any recommendations
 for something that is relatively inexpensive ($15,000 or less) and would
 require no larger than 4 foot dishes.

 Any sales droids out there, feel free to hit me offlist.  This would be
 the first of ten or so of these links that would need to be deployed.

 Thanks!

 Matt Larsen
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RE: [WISPA] Need recommendations for a licensed backhaul link

[Gino A. Villarini]

Matt

A Orthogon Spectra will provide 111 Mbps in a 28 mile link using 4 ft dishes
on both ends , that's factoring a -75 db noise floor.  99.77% uptime.

And you have the advantage of a really intelligent radio that will work
around interference...

Gino A. Villarini
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Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need recommendations for a licensed backhaul link

There is a lot of 5.8 in the area - I'd prefer to avoid it if possible.

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Gino A. Villarini wrote:
 I think Matt needs to go 5.8 ghz, A Orthogon Spectra or similar

 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
 Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need recommendations for a licensed backhaul link

 I don't think what you want to do is possible Matt.

 28 miles is a long way for many bands.  Some of them might do it just fine

 in perfect weather...

 6 gig would be a no brainier for this but you have to use 6' dishes.  And
I 
 don't know that you'll find anything in your price range.

 If you want a ds3 38 gig link I've got one sitting in my office though.  2

 or 3 miles is all it'll be good for though :-).

 laters,
 Marlon
 (509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
 64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
 www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
 www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



 - Original Message - 
 From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 5:25 AM
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Need recommendations for a licensed backhaul link


   
 Hi Matt,

 We'll be in touch

 -Charles --- Sales Droid =/

 ---
 WiNOG Wireless Roadshows
 Coming to a City Near You
 http://www.winog.com



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
 Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 2:00 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [WISPA] Need recommendations for a licensed backhaul link


 Hi all,

 I have a consulting client that needs to do a 28 mile shot in licensed
 with throughput of up to 45meg.  I am looking for any recommendations
 for something that is relatively inexpensive ($15,000 or less) and would
 require no larger than 4 foot dishes.

 Any sales droids out there, feel free to hit me offlist.  This would be
 the first of ten or so of these links that would need to be deployed.

 Thanks!

 Matt Larsen
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RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

[Gino A. Villarini]

This is not a good position, I would like to sell my operation @ the moment
that I assume I can get the best return for my investment OR as an exit
strategy.  

Would you prefer to sell your customer base to a competitor or loose them
all together...

Gino A. Villarini
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Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 2:09 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

Equity value is only important to those who wish to build and sell

Those of us who just wish to make a living don't care so much about 
re-sale value.  We are more interested in income.

Patrick Leary wrote:

I appreciate the honest criticism, really, but the situation about your
network being at an equity disadvantage is very real. You CAN sell it,
but you won't find many eager buyers and you won't get a good price. An
Alvarion network does bring a higher value. I'm sure Moto networks may
fetch an okay price (not as high as an Alvarion network). But, and this
is the reality, an 802.11b network has a much lower equity value. An
802.11 network using illegal gear will have an even worse value. That's
just reality and I will try to get validation from one or two of the
roll-up guys I know and I'll ask if I can quote him. ...(I've placed him
in the bcc, hopefully he is around this weekend to extend his opinion.)

Regards,

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Smith
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:19 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

Why can't I sell what I've built ?Because it doesn't brag on the
Alvarion name ?  Please.

As for growth path, I've got rooftop leases for these repeaters.
They're
legally guaranteed for 30 yrs in most cases.  Sheesh, in some cases, the
houses will fall down before the equipment dies.

I noticed that you pointed out the CX-BA-2.4-900 stuff.  That's all fine
and
good.   Oranges to Oranges, its WA more expensive to use Alvarion,
and
by $1000's.  CX 2.4/900 repeater is like $2,000 or more.  Same
functionality
with Mikrotik and Ubiquiti is around $500.  So, the way I see it, I can
put
4 repeaters up, and cover 4 times the area that I can with one CX
repeater.
AND, my tower side cost me $2,000 less as well!   So, $5,000 spent = 1
customer and repeater with tower side on Alvarion, or 9 customers with
repeaters and tower side with Mikrotik / Ubiquiti, AND I've got 9
repeaters
out there touching a ton more customers.

With Mikrotik, I've got firewalling / vpn / qos / bandwidth metering /
HOTSPOT / OSPF / WDS / and a routed network all the way to each
customer, OR
a bridged network if I should so choose.

Why would I have any less a path for growth or satisfactory exit in
putting
together Mikrotik solutions as opposed to Alvarion ?  
Cost of implementation's cheaper.
Cost of replacement's cheaper.
Cost of value added services are cheaper, AND implemented with only a
phone
call from the customer or even a hotspot implementation.
Future bandwidth's just there - no manufacturer throttling to pay to
upgrade like Alvarion
Mikrotik doesn't tell me what I can't do - they put it all there and let
you
decide.  No unlock extortion.

Actually, I just sold a chunk of my Pennsylvania network, that was still
in
a build-up phase, with tower sites installed and a couple customers, for
some cash that's going to run the rest of my network for a while.  Whole
thing was built on Canopy and Mikrotik tower sides and cpe's.  

Ya know, there IS one product I'll use religiously from Alvarion and
it's
the 2.4 DS11 backhaul units.  Rock solid, decently priced (on the used
market) and it's truly install-and-forget-it's-there stuff.

I just don't see the financial advantage to spending anything else on
Alvarion gear though.  Especially when I've got high speed backhauls,
short
and long distance backhauls, multiple frequency ranges, including
licensed
and public safety, LOS, NLOS and hotspot / billing / etc all built into
one
platform that doesn't cost a ton of money, and there's a lot of good
support
for.   

I don't see how that's bad business.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:54 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

It is interesting Rick and creative, but with all due respect, you are
not
building a network that you are going to be able to sell most likely or
at
least certainly not for a good price. As well, you can't offer advanced
services if you want to grow into them. Rick, it is a serious
question: what is your path for growth and/or path to have a
satisfactory

RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

[Gino A. Villarini]

I second Patrick comments,

As a growing wisp and looking to acquisition opportunities, the only way I
would buy a 802.11 based wisp was in the premise of tearing that equipment
out and putting some Canopy in place... for others it could be Trango or
Alvarion.

802.11 gear is good for starting out, but it doesn't scale ... been there,
done that.  Replaced 100's of 11b gear with Canopy, never looked back.  Let
me say more, that was the turning point of growth on my company..


Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 3:15 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

No, at the moment just anecdotal. 

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dylan Oliver
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

On 12/2/06, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I appreciate the honest criticism, really, but the situation about
your
 network being at an equity disadvantage is very real. You CAN sell it,
 but you won't find many eager buyers and you won't get a good price.
An
 Alvarion network does bring a higher value. I'm sure Moto networks may
 fetch an okay price (not as high as an Alvarion network). But, and
this
 is the reality, an 802.11b network has a much lower equity value. An
 802.11 network using illegal gear will have an even worse value.
That's
 just reality and I will try to get validation from one or two of the
 roll-up guys I know and I'll ask if I can quote him. ...(I've placed
him
 in the bcc, hopefully he is around this weekend to extend his
opinion.)


Hi Patrick,

What basis do you have for the claim that an Alvarion network will fetch
a
higher price than a Canopy network? Some analysis of historical sell
prices?
I'd be interested to see it.

Best,
-- 
Dylan Oliver
Primaverity, LLC
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[WISPA] Fcc Freq Search

[Gino A. Villarini]

List

Is there a FCC search where I can imput a freq range and get all the
licensees from a particular State ?  Including the Regional and National
Licensees that fall on that freq and state range ?

Gino A. Villarini
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RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

[Gino A. Villarini]

Retaking the thread, all you guys doing Miktotik 900 mhz, why don't you try
OSBridge 900 Client ?  it's Mikrotik compatible, it has built in Router and
you don't have to waste your time sourcing parts, dealing with diff
warranties and assembling it.  Its $280 plus antenna

Gino A. Villarini
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tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Smith
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 11:02 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

using SR9's, with small cells - 1 - 2 milers.   I have towers fed with 5 gig
Tik, and there's generally 20 meg available at any tower. We're pulling 5
gig connections down to a vantage point or two, then using an SR9 with an
omni from there to feed SR9 CPEs that have SR2 APs inside

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 9:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

How can you do 5 meg per client on 900 MHz? You would have to have several
times that speed available per sector. Are you using the whole 900 MHz band
on one sector? If yes then how do you stop self-interference on adjacent
sectors?
Scriv


Rick Smith wrote:

I thought about the same things.  Once I put canopy or trango in, I've 
gotta replace the whole damn radio once cable / dsl starts taking away 
my customers.

I'm in a cable / dsl area, and taking customers away from them, and 
basing it on Mikrotik.  We're faster, not cheaper, and definitely 
better.  But without being able to push 5 meg to the customer, I 
couldn't offer those plans.

Doing that with anything but Mikrotik or PERHAPS tranzeo is costly or 
impossible, in this area due to 900 mhz needs and no clear 5.8 range.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:22 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

I second Patrick comments,

As a growing wisp and looking to acquisition opportunities, the only 
way I would buy a 802.11 based wisp was in the premise of tearing that 
equipment out and putting some Canopy in place... for others it could 
be Trango or Alvarion.

802.11 gear is good for starting out, but it doesn't scale ... been 
there, done that.  Replaced 100's of 11b gear with Canopy, never looked 
back.  Let me say more, that was the turning point of growth on my
company..


Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 3:15 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

No, at the moment just anecdotal. 

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of Dylan Oliver
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

On 12/2/06, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

I appreciate the honest criticism, really, but the situation about


your
  

network being at an equity disadvantage is very real. You CAN sell it, 
but you won't find many eager buyers and you won't get a good price.


An
  

Alvarion network does bring a higher value. I'm sure Moto networks may 
fetch an okay price (not as high as an Alvarion network). But, and


this
  

is the reality, an 802.11b network has a much lower equity value. An
802.11 network using illegal gear will have an even worse value.


That's
  

just reality and I will try to get validation from one or two of the 
roll-up guys I know and I'll ask if I can quote him. ...(I've placed


him
  

in the bcc, hopefully he is around this weekend to extend his


opinion.)


Hi Patrick,

What basis do you have for the claim that an Alvarion network will 
fetch a higher price than a Canopy network? Some analysis of historical
sell prices?
I'd be interested to see it.

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RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

[Gino A. Villarini]

nice

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 11:11 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

Hi Patrick,

What basis do you have for the claim that an Alvarion network will fetch a
higher price than a Canopy network? Some analysis of historical sell prices?

I'd be interested to see it.

Can't resist...

It's mainly due to the current Canopy gear trade-out promo
Buy an Alvarion network, get your $8k Canopy credit, sell Alvarion to
American (more ), buy replacement Canopies for $8k =)

ducking

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RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

[Gino A. Villarini]

It's a problem with 100baseT Modulation, 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

I had the same problem with some canopy access points - had to do with
Ethernet.

I put an AP up on a tower, and it interfered with a HAM radio guy.   Once I
moved it down on the tower 20 feet, the problem went away.  I put a 532
right next to that HAM'r and nothing happened, I've got a nice 5.8 gig feed
and a 2.4 repeater there now...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 10:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

There is a HUGE problem with Mikrotik and FCC certification. The Mikrotik
532 puts out over 30db of constant noise in an area they should not be
(150MHz and 400MHz). It's still an issue, and has not been fixed or even
addressed by MT.

Travis
Microserv

Butch Evans wrote:
 On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Patrick Leary wrote:

 Why do you have to have the router? The DSL and cable guys don't 
 provide routers (not without extra fees). I provide my own in my 
 home. At work we have our own router.

 I provide a router because that is the best network design and it 
 offers ME an upgrade path that is beyond just being a provider of a 
 COMMODITY service (transport).  You don't have to agree with it, 
 others don't have to do it, but them's the facts.

 VL also can do VLAN, all the way to QinQ 802.3ad VLANs. It does
 SNIPPED LOTA OF NON MARKETING GOOP
 that's not marketing goop, it's been tested by a tier 1 operator and 
 it blew them away.)

 Wow.  As I said in the first post, I have nothing bad to say about 
 Alvarion gear...(please read the last paragraph)

 Plus, in the end the thing that I admit really gets me is that some 
 of these products simply are not legal at all and are illegally 
 shipped in from overseas. If we just blatantly flauted the laws we 
 could save tons in RD and legal too. It has always been 
 disappointing that some WISPs simply don't care about that.
 Especially when at the same time the same WISP might complain that 
 another WISP is over driving a system.

 This is a problem, but not so much of a problem as you make it out to 
 be.  I realize the law is black and white, but the reality is a 
 little more like shades of grey.  I'm not supporting anyone breaking 
 the law, but the truth of the matter is that there IS a difference 
 between operating a system that is not certified within legal limits 
 and operating a system that operates outside legal power limits.  The 
 primary difference is that one of these (you get to pick) will cause 
 more harm to the usability of the spectrum than the other.

 On another subject, take another look at the subject line...It's not 
 about Alvarion gear, but you seem to have stepped into the middle of 
 it (once again).  I really just wish you'd at least have the courtesy 
 to change the subject line if you are going to change the subject.

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RE: [WISPA] What the heck chews up 100mhz of 5.8ghz?!?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Sounds like and old western multiplex tsunami used by cell carriers for
tower backhaul

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Subject: [WISPA] What the heck chews up 100mhz of 5.8ghz?!?

While installing a new canopy accesspoint today, in an unserved 
community with no other wireless isps and little else, I discovered that 
I have about a -56 avarage across the entire swath of 5750mhz thru 
5845mhz... what the hell?!?!? It's a small area deployment and we had 
planned on a simple low gain omni, but not now... I don't know who or 
what but 100mhz, is that really necessary? I'm going to take an sm later 
and see if I can get a better picture and determine the direction of 
these signals and see if there's going to be any way to make this work. 
Out in the middle of nowhere. But does anyone have any idea what in gods 
name could occupy this much continuous spectrum in 5.8?

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RE: [WISPA] Bet they didn't plan this.. LOL

[Gino A. Villarini]

W3c ? 2nd came yahoo ...

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Subject: [WISPA] Bet they didn't plan this.. LOL

Do a google search for wwwlook at the first link...
;-)

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[WISPA] wifi with sync

[Gino A. Villarini]

Just got a confirmation from Jeff Beasley @ Wireless Interactive, that the
Apollo series of wifi radios support sync via a 3 cable serial interface...

Interesting...
 
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RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

[Gino A. Villarini]

Did you check the voltage on the battery bank that came with the APC unit? I
do know that the APC 750 Smart UPS have a Battery bank of 24 vdc, so if this
is the case of your unit, you'll need 2 batts in series

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APC SUNET700.  1 battery.

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
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Junction City, OR 97448
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS


 What apc model ? how many batts are you using ?

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 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:43 AM
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 Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

 I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
 external
 battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am
 having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery'
 light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery.  Any ideas?

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RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

[Gino A. Villarini]

$200 each ? what is the specs on this batts?  We pay about $160 for AGM 105
ah batts

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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:36 AM
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Ah-hah!  I'll give this a try.  Unfortunately the batteries I want to use 
are $200 each. ;)  Got a recommendation on batteries that will last with 
constantly being charged by the UPS?

Mark Nash
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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS


 You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need

 two batteries running in series.

 It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel 
 type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive 
 side of the connection.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mark Nash - Lists wrote:
 I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
 external battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it right now 
 and am having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad 
 battery' light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery.  Any ideas?

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RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????

[Gino A. Villarini]

Charlie... were do I get those prices for dragonwave gear?  

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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios

Maybe I'm missing something -- but w/ LICENSED Dragonwave 50 Mb radios as
low as $8-9k / link, unless you're going to shoot 15+ miles (which isn't
really possible w/ the amount of spectrum utilized) why would you even
bother messing around w/ such a high-priced unlicensed radio?

-Charles

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios


Yes we have


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry  

-Original Message-
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:03:46 
To:WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios

Bob,

They way you wrote it, you are correct its not to bad at all. My post was
based on what I thought I read from someone else's post that 
stated that the 200mbps model (raw) pushed 100mbps of throughput (real), I 
was assuming based on waste of protocol overhead like Wifi.  Trango has a 
very efficient MAC with little waste.  If the the Exalt does real throughput

of 100mbps in each direction, than that is a completely different animal and

value proposition.  And getting 50mbps Full Duplex in 32Mhz, also might be a

speed leader in unlicensed.

Bob, have you confirmed actual real throughput?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios


 Tom,

 You're gonna bond 2 atlas links and get close to 100 Mb full 
 duplex?
 How is that??
 The 200 Mb Exalt is 100 Mb TX /100 Mb RX

 If you use your  equation you really need 4 Trango radios which is 5 x
 $3000 = $15000 and that will give you 100 mb with 50/50 MIR.  Not to say 
 what you would use up in spectrum (20 Mhz. x 5 = 100 Mhz..OK...you 
 could play with polarity with good antennas and probably do better).

 So the Exalt doesn't look that expensive after all  :-)

 And BTW:  I was told to expect MIR control for asymetrical bandwidth
 soon...

 -B-


 Tom DeReggi wrote:

 The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true 
 throughput
 in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 
 Mhz channel.


 OK so lets compare to Trango Atlas or Alvarion Backhaul (which has
 similar metrics) with equivellent speed models. Taking that maybe only 1%

 of my market could pull off a 64Mhz channel.

 Exalt Specs... 200rating @ 64Mhz = 100 mbps then
 100rating @ 32Mhz = 50 mbps... @ $16,000 list.
This of course being best case based on noise
 level and acheivalbe modulation.

 Trango Specs 54rating @ 20Mhz = 45 mbps, for $3000.
 So, if I bonded two Atlas Links, I'd get equivelent performance to 
 the
 high performance version at 30% less spectrum use, and 1/5 th the cost.
 Now of Course Trango, is Ethernet only, and does not have the wayside T1 
 support or Fiber/GPS features. And there is value to that for someone 
 offering Voice services also.

 All I'm saying is that the street price sure better be a lot lower 
 than
 the list price listed, as you suggeset it is. The second you are in the 

 $15,000 range, you might as well be doing licensed for the extra $1000 
 bucks or two to make it survivable.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - From: Lakeland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:44 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios


 Personally I couldn't be happier.  They work as expected and stated.
 They have relatively straight forward GUI interfaces, you can move the 
 center of the channel to any 1 Mhz. division, it works on 5.3, you can 
 get a straight indoor only unit or an outdoor unit with integral antenna

 or N connectors, they have 2 year warranty. OOB replacement guarantee, 
 the inegral antenna has electronic polarity control, it can syc all 
 units on a msite so you can use one channel, the gps option is very 
 reasonable and you don't need a central controller or cabling between 
 radios. User defined latency

RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????

[Gino A. Villarini]

Somehow I knew this was coming jeje 

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Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:41 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios

You would have to get in touch w/ a Dragonwave Distributor =)

-Charles --- Dragonwave Distributor who supports WISPA

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:14 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios


Charlie... were do I get those prices for dragonwave gear?  

Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:55 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios

Maybe I'm missing something -- but w/ LICENSED Dragonwave 50 Mb radios as
low as $8-9k / link, unless you're going to shoot 15+ miles (which isn't
really possible w/ the amount of spectrum utilized) why would you even
bother messing around w/ such a high-priced unlicensed radio?

-Charles

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Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:42 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios


Yes we have


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry  

-Original Message-
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:03:46 
To:WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios

Bob,

They way you wrote it, you are correct its not to bad at all. My post was
based on what I thought I read from someone else's post that 
stated that the 200mbps model (raw) pushed 100mbps of throughput (real), I 
was assuming based on waste of protocol overhead like Wifi.  Trango has a 
very efficient MAC with little waste.  If the the Exalt does real throughput

of 100mbps in each direction, than that is a completely different animal and

value proposition.  And getting 50mbps Full Duplex in 32Mhz, also might be a

speed leader in unlicensed.

Bob, have you confirmed actual real throughput?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios


 Tom,

 You're gonna bond 2 atlas links and get close to 100 Mb full
 duplex?
 How is that??
 The 200 Mb Exalt is 100 Mb TX /100 Mb RX

 If you use your  equation you really need 4 Trango radios which is 5 x 
 $3000 = $15000 and that will give you 100 mb with 50/50 MIR.  Not to 
 say what you would use up in spectrum (20 Mhz. x 5 = 100 
 Mhz..OK...you could play with polarity with good antennas and 
 probably do better).

 So the Exalt doesn't look that expensive after all  :-)

 And BTW:  I was told to expect MIR control for asymetrical bandwidth 
 soon...

 -B-


 Tom DeReggi wrote:

 The advertised throughput on a 200 Mhz radio is 100 Mb true
 throughput
 in each direction port to port. The radio throughput is based on a 64 
 Mhz channel.


 OK so lets compare to Trango Atlas or Alvarion Backhaul (which has 
 similar metrics) with equivellent speed models. Taking that maybe 
 only 1%

 of my market could pull off a 64Mhz channel.

 Exalt Specs... 200rating @ 64Mhz = 100 mbps then
 100rating @ 32Mhz = 50 mbps... @ $16,000 list.
This of course being best case based on noise 
 level and acheivalbe modulation.

 Trango Specs 54rating @ 20Mhz = 45 mbps, for $3000.
 So, if I bonded two Atlas Links, I'd get equivelent performance to
 the
 high performance version at 30% less spectrum use, and 1/5 th the cost.
 Now of Course Trango, is Ethernet only, and does not have the wayside T1 
 support or Fiber/GPS features. And there is value to that for someone 
 offering Voice services also.

 All I'm saying is that the street price sure better be a lot lower
 than
 the list price listed, as you suggeset it is. The second you are in the 

 $15,000 range, you might as well be doing licensed for the extra 
 $1000
 bucks or two to make it survivable.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless

RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????

[Gino A. Villarini]

Please don't ask ... jeje

Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:15 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios

Charles Wu wrote:
 You would have to get in touch w/ a Dragonwave Distributor =)

 -Charles --- Dragonwave Distributor who supports WISPA
   
Does your company also take care of the license search and procurement 
process?

-Matt

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RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

[Gino A. Villarini]

Ok, so you put 4 when you use 2 AGM on series ?

Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

We adjust the number of external batteries in the APC configuration 
settings. Usually we set it to 2x the number of actual batteries we have 
installed and it seems pretty accurate.

Travis
Microserv

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
 What is used to tell you how much runtime is left?  Have you found it 
 accurate?

 Brian

 Travis Johnson wrote:

 We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They 
 worked OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel 
 deep cycle that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 
 pounds each and are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure.

 We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running 
 on two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows 
 another 8 hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP 
 24 port switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :)

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mark Nash - Lists wrote:

 Ah-hah!  I'll give this a try.  Unfortunately the batteries I want 
 to use are $200 each. ;)  Got a recommendation on batteries that 
 will last with constantly being charged by the UPS?

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
 - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS


 You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so 
 you need two batteries running in series.

 It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two 
 gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on 
 the positive side of the connection.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mark Nash - Lists wrote:

 I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
 external battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it 
 right now and am having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously 
 with the 'bad battery' light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle 
 battery.  Any ideas?

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax


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RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

[Gino A. Villarini]

Yeah, we do the same, remove the internal batt and replace with 2 AGM 100 am
batts.  We bought a bunch of the DC block connectors that match the internal
apc batt connector

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

Tom,

We remove the internal batteries completely. The only batteries 
connected are the large AGM type. We purchased 20 of them off ebay about 
2 years ago. The batteries were $50 each, and shipping was $50 each.

Travis
Microserv

Tom DeReggi wrote:
 Travis,

 Do any of these APC models, comes WITHOUT internal batteries, so you 
 don't have to worry about matching up the battery types, and just pick 
 your preferred external ones?

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS


 Hi,

 Buy the sealed AGM style batteries (same style used in UPS systems). 
 They don't have any vents and are completely sealed... and even if 
 the case breaks, nothing leaks out of them. They are more money, but 
 well worth it.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
 How big of a room would be needed for having regular batteries?  I 
 don't need an explosion.  My NOC is an 8x8 storage shed which is 
 pretty well air tight.  How dangerous is a couple of regular deep 
 cells in there?

 Brian

 Gino A. Villarini wrote:

 Did you check the voltage on the battery bank that came with the 
 APC unit? I
 do know that the APC 750 Smart UPS have a Battery bank of 24 vdc, 
 so if this
 is the case of your unit, you'll need 2 batts in series

 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:51 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

 APC SUNET700.  1 battery.

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
 - Original Message - From: Gino A. Villarini 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 PM
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS



 What apc model ? how many batts are you using ?

 Gino A. Villarini
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 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:43 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

 I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
 external
 battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it right now 
 and am
 having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad 
 battery'
 light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery.  Any ideas?

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax



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RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????

[Gino A. Villarini]

Connectors:

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=263-110

Batteries:

http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html

Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios

On 11/15/06, Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Matt,

 Yes, we can take care of everything

 The guys at Broadband Wireless Business did a nice writeup about this
 process a few years ago -- check out


http://www.shorecliffcommunications.com/magazine/volume.asp?Vol=39story=365

 -Charles

 P.S. -- FCC fees have increased substantially recently, so the prices
 quoted
 in the article are a bit higher now


So is it safe to say that one could get one of those $9k Dragon Wave links
licensed and ready to go for $12.5 - $15k?

Best,
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RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

[Gino A. Villarini]

Oops too much coronas

Gino A. Villarini
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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:42 PM
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I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread.
Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread

Connectors:

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=263-110

Batteries:

http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html



Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 Can we get some links to these batteries that work well?
 Gino,
 Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about?

 Brian


 Travis Johnson wrote:

 Hi,

 We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the 
 positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries.

 We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries 
 (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). 
 We wire them in series (to get 24VDC).

 This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various 
 locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone?

 Travis,
 What APC do you use and what batteries are added?  What do you draw 
 and what is th run time?  Do you know how many times the one with 
 the most cycles has been drawn down?  How long do the batteries last?

 Brian

 Travis Johnson wrote:

 You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so 
 you need two batteries running in series.

 It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two 
 gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on 
 the positive side of the connection.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mark Nash - Lists wrote:

 I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
 external battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it 
 right now and am having problems.  The UPS just beep continuously 
 with the 'bad battery' light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle 
 battery.  Any ideas?

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax


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RE: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios????

[Gino A. Villarini]

Spectras ara vailable on 5.4 too , tho not the same flexibility as having a
triband radio ...

Spectras also have GPS sync, plus fiber interfaces

Spectras have the dual pol. Dynamic DFS thingy... wich it's the coolest tool


And they are owned by Motorola!!!

The Exal radios looks promising, the only drawback it's the channel size for
full speed  64 mhz, 

Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios

A few things to consider

The Exalt does the whole 5 Ghz. band, including 5.3 and 5.4

It also allows you to set the center channel on any 1 Mhz. division.

It has GPS syncing so you only need to use one channel for a handful of 
radios at the same site.  (Try doing that with Orthogon)

It is capable of elctronically switching polarities like the Trango 
radios do. (yeah,yeah...something like the Orthogon).

And finally...they are not owned by MOTOROLA!  :-)

FYI...I have installed approx. 11 Orthogon Spectra links.  I have had 
power supply failures 5 times.  I just waited 12 days for a replacement 
power supply after ordering it from the distributor.  The last link we 
ordered was missing part of the mounting bracket.  One of the mounting 
brackets did not have one of the holes tapped.  Not fun when you are 
onsite for an install.

I still like Orthogon.  I just like Exalt better.


-B-
I



Gino A. Villarini wrote:

For that price, I'll buy an orthogon..., 64 mhz channel? wow

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Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios

Paul,

Here is a more detailed price sheet including accessories and extended 
warranties.

http://www.connectronics.com/exalt/

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Paul Hendry wrote:

  

Interesting. Any idea what the retail value on the 5GHz kit is?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: 14 November 2006 02:00
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Subject: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios

Just looking for experiences

Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has 
any pros/cons

www.exaltcom.com

100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio.   H.   I bet Marlon would love to have 
one of these for a neighbor!  :-)

-B-

 




  



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RE: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios????

[Gino A. Villarini]

For that price, I'll buy an orthogon..., 64 mhz channel? wow

Gino A. Villarini
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Paul,

Here is a more detailed price sheet including accessories and extended 
warranties.

http://www.connectronics.com/exalt/

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Paul Hendry wrote:

Interesting. Any idea what the retail value on the 5GHz kit is?

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
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Subject: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios

Just looking for experiences

Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has 
any pros/cons

www.exaltcom.com

100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio.   H.   I bet Marlon would love to have 
one of these for a neighbor!  :-)

-B-

  


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RE: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios????

[Gino A. Villarini]

Huh...dont they ?



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Gino A. Villarini wrote:
 Spectras also have GPS sync, plus fiber interfaces

   
Since when have Spectras had GPS sync?

-Matt

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RE: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios????

[Gino A. Villarini]

Sorry guys, spoke too soon ... I had a beta test Spectra radio link about 2
years ago ... the engineer told be about the gps.  The radios are apparently
hardware ready, but the feature has not been implemented yet in the
firmware.

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Gino A. Villarini wrote:
 Huh...dont they ?


   
No, none of the Canopy high-speed backhauls do.

-Matt

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RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!

[Gino A. Villarini]

Jon, you need to be creative, in light of such need, we bought a bunch of
classic aps on ebay really cheap and the upgraded them to advantage with the
trade program.. ended up paying about $1000 for the APs

Gino A. Villarini
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Now we just need to get Moto to do that! Canopy Lite Advantage AP  :-)

Jon Langeler
Michwave Tech.

Brad Larson wrote:

I'm guessing Patrick went over the 25 user stand alone base station that
will retail for $2,595. This will be an upgradeable version that you can
start a POP with, recover some costs, then upgrade when the time comes
and you get close to the 25 subscriber attachments. Brad
  

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RE: [WISPA] Re: Anyone using Exalt radios????

[Gino A. Villarini]

Err.. 5.4 experimental licensing ..., I would love to try some exalt radios,
Im only concern is on the channel size for big bandwidth.. 64 mhz is way too
much, on the side note the spectras 30 mhz dual polarity channel is very
flexible cause you can set one end to tx on one slice of spectrum, wheres
the other end can tx on other slice ... really handy in noisy areas ..

How much is the price below mrsp ? 20% ? 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lakeland
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:47 PM
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5.4 is not type accepted in the US. 

 

Gino A. Villarini writes: 

 Spectras ara vailable on 5.4 too , tho not the same flexibility as having
a
 triband radio ... 
 
 Spectras also have GPS sync, plus fiber interfaces 
 
 Spectras have the dual pol. Dynamic DFS thingy... wich it's the coolest
tool 
 
 
 And they are owned by Motorola!!! 
 
 The Exal radios looks promising, the only drawback it's the channel size
for
 full speed  64 mhz,  
 
 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
 Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:40 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios 
 
 A few things to consider 
 
 The Exalt does the whole 5 Ghz. band, including 5.3 and 5.4 
 
 It also allows you to set the center channel on any 1 Mhz. division. 
 
 It has GPS syncing so you only need to use one channel for a handful of 
 radios at the same site.  (Try doing that with Orthogon) 
 
 It is capable of elctronically switching polarities like the Trango 
 radios do. (yeah,yeah...something like the Orthogon). 
 
 And finally...they are not owned by MOTOROLA!  :-) 
 
 FYI...I have installed approx. 11 Orthogon Spectra links.  I have had 
 power supply failures 5 times.  I just waited 12 days for a replacement 
 power supply after ordering it from the distributor.  The last link we 
 ordered was missing part of the mounting bracket.  One of the mounting 
 brackets did not have one of the holes tapped.  Not fun when you are 
 onsite for an install. 
 
 I still like Orthogon.  I just like Exalt better. 
 
 
 -B-
 I 
 
  
 
 Gino A. Villarini wrote: 
 
For that price, I'll buy an orthogon..., 64 mhz channel? wow 

Gino A. Villarini
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:57 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios 

Paul, 

Here is a more detailed price sheet including accessories and extended 
warranties. 

http://www.connectronics.com/exalt/ 

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro 


Paul Hendry wrote: 

   

Interesting. Any idea what the retail value on the 5GHz kit is? 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: 14 November 2006 02:00
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios 

Just looking for experiences 

Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has 
any pros/cons 

www.exaltcom.com 

100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio.   H.   I bet Marlon would love to have 
one of these for a neighbor!  :-) 

-B- 

  

 


   

  
 
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RE: [WISPA] Service in Colorado?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Too bad it  isn't Vail ...

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John J. Thomas
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:00 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Service in Colorado?

Anybody want to provide wireless in Colorado?


http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp?doc_id=110287


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[WISPA] Wifi gear for MArina

[Gino A. Villarini]

List,

Anyone can recommend a good wifi AP for a Marina ?

Im looking for harsh weather resistant enclosures and antennas

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RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!

[Gino A. Villarini]

No details on the website...

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:41 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!

Those who were not there, (WISPA meeting), some extremely exciting news was 
released by Alvarion.
The details of the Comnet program. Clearly the most exciting news from the 
show.
I can't even begin to communicate the impression that it made.
There could not have been a stronger message that they want WISPs as their 
customer.
A WISP will NEVER again use the excuse that they can not afford Alvarion.
Since this is a public list, I'll leave the details, for WISPs to discover 
when checking out the program.
But I will hint by saying, it enables Alvarion for residential.
Its a pretty hard sell, NOT to switch.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 5:14 PM
Subject: [WISPA] OT: The AlvarionCOMNET is coming 11/13...


And WISPA members at the meeting at ISPCON will get a detailed sneak
preview. I look forward to seeing many of you there.

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!

[Gino A. Villarini]

Can anyone send me some info on this offlist ...

Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:35 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!

yeah, tom, don't post a book, but give us details.

I'm sure Patrick will be chiming in on this one.

I love Alvarion gear.  Just can't afford it.  Mikrotik's just as good, if
not
better at some things, but sometimes I'd just love a DS11 backhaul
everywhere...or bigger. :)

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No details on the website...

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:41 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!

Those who were not there, (WISPA meeting), some extremely exciting news was
released by Alvarion.
The details of the Comnet program. Clearly the most exciting news from the
show.
I can't even begin to communicate the impression that it made.
There could not have been a stronger message that they want WISPs as their
customer.
A WISP will NEVER again use the excuse that they can not afford Alvarion.
Since this is a public list, I'll leave the details, for WISPs to discover
when checking out the program.
But I will hint by saying, it enables Alvarion for residential.
Its a pretty hard sell, NOT to switch.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 5:14 PM
Subject: [WISPA] OT: The AlvarionCOMNET is coming 11/13...


And WISPA members at the meeting at ISPCON will get a detailed sneak
preview. I look forward to seeing many of you there.

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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[WISPA] Camera TEst

[Gino A. Villarini]

Anyone available for a Sunday night ip camera test ?

I just need a volunteer to log on remotely and tell me if video shows up

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RE: [WISPA] Low power Ethernet Switch

[Gino A. Villarini]

Linksys  :-( , has a 8 port rackmountable(optional ears) 12 vdc managed
switch, I bouth one to test it out .. about $170.

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D. Ryan Spott wrote:
 Looking for a VERY low wattage 12 or 24  volt switch.
 
 Does anyone have any recommendations?
 
 I need it for a remote tower running 12 and 24 volt solar.

No, but I'll see your question and raise you another question.

Anyone have any recommendations on (if this even exists) small managed 
or semi-managed switches? Basically, I just want to be able to graph 
traffic by port, and mybe shut off a given port, but you usually 
only find that in physically large (i.e. rackmount) switches. I want 
something like that, but with only five or maybe eight ports, small 
enough to stick in an outdoor enclosure.

David Smith
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RE: [WISPA] identity of mini-pci cards

[Gino A. Villarini]

http://www.curreedy.com/stu/nic/

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Subject: [WISPA] identity of mini-pci cards

I have some mini-pci cards but I don't know anything about them.  Anyone 
know of a good way to determine what they are.  Maybe by mac address?

Brian
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RE: [WISPA] CovadExpandsBroadband WirelessNetworkWithDataFloAcquisition

[Gino A. Villarini]

I would prefer 1.5x cash vs 3x stock

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WirelessNetworkWithDataFloAcquisition

Of course, the market is currently valuing such companies at 3x revenue on
stock deals.

But, minority stock in a privately held company (or even many public OTC
companies) is generally worthless

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RE: [WISPA] Covad Expands Broadband Wireless NetworkWithDataFloAcquisition

[Gino A. Villarini]

If I had a offer for 1.4x revenue in Cash, I would think about it... If I
had a offer for 1.7x cash, I would cash in 

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NetworkWithDataFloAcquisition

Out of curiosity -- how is 1.4x annual revenue considered cheap
Keep in mind...this is $$$ CASH $$$, not stock

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Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 9:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Covad Expands Broadband Wireless Network
WithDataFloAcquisition


Which sounds like to me, DataFlow was in a distressed state, doing a 
firesale..

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Covad Expands Broadband Wireless Network With 
DataFloAcquisition


 Does anyone know anything about DataFlo? According to the press
 release it
 appears they were bought for 1.4x revenue, which seems awfully cheap.

 -Matt

 Peter R. wrote:
 Covad Communications Group Inc. announced it will acquire the assets
 of
 DataFlo Communications LLC, a Chicago-based broadband wireless provider, 
 adding a sixth market to its coverage area.

 Covad will acquire substantially all the assets of DataFlo for 
 approximately $1.4 million in cash. For the full 2006 year, DataFlo 
 expects to generate approximately $1 million in revenue. In keeping 
 with Covad's profitability goals, the transaction is EBITDA 
 accretive. The transaction is expected to close later this month 
 subject to customary closing conditions and regulatory approvals.

 Covad already offers broadband wireless to Los Angeles, San Diego,
 San
 Francisco, Orange County and Las Vegas through its wireless subsidiary 
 NextWeb, which it acquired earlier this year.

 Speaking at the Internet Telephony Conference  Expo today, Claude 
 Tolbert, Covad's senior vice president of product solutions planning 
 and priorities, said the acquisition of NextWeb was primarily in 
 response to regulatory uncertainty over the company's access to 
 incumbent broadband networks. With that concern ameliorated, he said, 
 the DataFlo deal is more of a continuation of an overlay network 
 strategy.

 Broadband wireless allows the company to provide higher-capacity 
 services. It can offer 100mbps on unlicensed band and 10mbps on 
 licensed bands - speeds unavailable with DSL. Broadband wireless also 
 enables Covad to turn up services more quickly, reducing intervals 
 from 25 days for wireline to 10 days for wireless. It also enables 
 the company to serve clientele with temporary needs.

 Tolbert said the DataFlo network is pre-WiMAX and serves businesses
 via a
 direct sales force. This distribution strategy, he added, will help Covad

 to balance its predominantly wholesale focus.


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[WISPA] Customer side monitoring software

[Gino A. Villarini]

Hey guys,

We are looking for a simple, user friendly monitoring software to install in
our customers computer and would tell them if the internet is up, down , if
default gateway is up or down , ect  simple stuff that would help out tech
support people troubleshoot over the phone.  Sometimes is painfull and time
consuming to get a customer to the c:/ prompt and ping stuff

Once I saw a software like thet feom AOL ... Any ideas?


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RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

[Gino A. Villarini]

Not the case, 14 mbps is 2x mode, but the only reason for all your Sm's
would be a 1x would be cause they are old radios (p7,p8) or you have very
poor links ...

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

So the AP will deliver 14Mbps of bandwidth even if all the SM's are only 
running at 1x rate?

Travis
Microserv

Mike Bushard, Jr wrote:

Run Advantage AP's and Legacy SM's.

With the Advantage AP's and legacy SM's you get the Latency, and High
Priority Channel all the time, and can burst to full 2X Rate. If you need
the full 2x Rate Sustained, buy an Advantage SM.


To answer your question, yes the Advantage AP will deliver the full 14Mb
Aggregate.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 11:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

Another quick question...

If you are running a Canopy Advantage AP and you use regular Canopy 
SM's, can the AP still deliver the 14Mbps of bandwidth, or will it be 
limited to 7Mbps (like the SM's)?

Trying to decide if I want to use Advantage SM's or just regular?

Travis
Microserv

Anthony Will wrote:

  

Well I have had 2.4ghz radio's link up at -89db (not very well mind 
you but...) so I don't know what to tell you other then Moto has 
traditionally understated there spec sheets.  The GPS is what sets the 
timing for the AP's.  The AP's coordinate the timing slots for all 
SM's registered to them.  So how it works is that all AP's on channel 
1 across the world all transmit at the same time, and all SM's synced 
to a AP on channel 1 with GPS timing from the AP listen at the same 
time.  Distance is not relevant unless you are utilizing the feature 
set of the SM to retransmit a GPS sync pulse that it receives from and 
AP to a BH or AP.  The lag that is introduced by having to transmit 
that pulse info across the wireless link to the SM retransmitting is 
the only time that distance can come into play.  The application this 
is used for is for a cheap repeater system so that you dont have to 
have a GPS synchronizing device at every tower.
/SM
GPS --AP#1 /
   \
 \SM (retransmitting GPS sync pulse) --AP#2 
--SM (retransmitting GPS sync pulse) --AP#3 (this AP will be out of 
sync with AP#1)

Basically the timing is measured in nano seconds so it takes to long 
for RF to transmit the data across the wireless links to continue to 
propagate the timing signal.  But if you put a GPS sync generating 
device at AP#3 it would be in perfect time with AP#1 and close enough 
timing with AP#2 that they all would get along.

One thing to keep in mind is if you are the only Canopy shop in the 
area you can have your AP's generate the sync pulse and avoid the cost 
of the GPS synchronizing items.  Also again as for the distance 
statement.  6 AP's in a cluster sharing 3 channels have to be synced.  
believe me the messy antenna on the Canopy units dont have a good 
enough F/B ratio to not hear another AP 6 away from it.  The two AP's 
that are back to back share the same channel so that when they 
transmit the SM's that are listening are as far away from each other 
as possible and thus reduce any chance of talking over each other.  
The largest benefit that GPS sync allows is to add additional capacity 
to area's by allowing for more towers to be in a smaller area without 
self interference.  If long range rural deployments are the plan then 
GPS sync will only benefit you if you have competitors utilizing the 
same equipment and configuration in the area.  So a Moto advantage 
cluster has about 84mb total (Classic Canopy would be 42mb) FTP 
bandwidth available to it.  If more is needed you can place the towers 
with in a few miles and divide a cell into two micro cells each with a 
possible 84mb of total bandwidth for a total of 168mb serviced to a 
given area. One last note, GPS timing will not allow for two separate 
clusters of the same type ( two 2.4ghz clusters) to be on the same 
tower.  I can't write out whats in my head on this getting a 
little late in the night but if you wanted to I could talk to you over 
the phone and explain it.  Send me an email to anthonyw (at) 
broadband-mn.com and Ill give you my cell phone number or give you a 
call.

Anthony Will
Broadband Corp.

Travis Johnson wrote:



Hi,

First, the spec sheet on Motorola's website says -86 RSSI.

What happens when you have more than 3 towers outside of the 8 mile 
range of GPS sync? The 2.4ghz signal will definately travel that far, 
causing self-interference, correct?

Travis

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

[Gino A. Villarini]

I have 2x links at -78 and so

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Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

Hi,

Don't you have to have like a -65 or better signal to get 2x rate?

Travis
Microserv

Gino A. Villarini wrote:

Not the case, 14 mbps is 2x mode, but the only reason for all your Sm's
would be a 1x would be cause they are old radios (p7,p8) or you have very
poor links ...

Gino A. Villarini
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

So the AP will deliver 14Mbps of bandwidth even if all the SM's are only 
running at 1x rate?

Travis
Microserv

Mike Bushard, Jr wrote:

  

Run Advantage AP's and Legacy SM's.

With the Advantage AP's and legacy SM's you get the Latency, and High
Priority Channel all the time, and can burst to full 2X Rate. If you need
the full 2x Rate Sustained, buy an Advantage SM.


To answer your question, yes the Advantage AP will deliver the full 14Mb
Aggregate.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 11:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

Another quick question...

If you are running a Canopy Advantage AP and you use regular Canopy 
SM's, can the AP still deliver the 14Mbps of bandwidth, or will it be 
limited to 7Mbps (like the SM's)?

Trying to decide if I want to use Advantage SM's or just regular?

Travis
Microserv

Anthony Will wrote:

 



Well I have had 2.4ghz radio's link up at -89db (not very well mind 
you but...) so I don't know what to tell you other then Moto has 
traditionally understated there spec sheets.  The GPS is what sets the 
timing for the AP's.  The AP's coordinate the timing slots for all 
SM's registered to them.  So how it works is that all AP's on channel 
1 across the world all transmit at the same time, and all SM's synced 
to a AP on channel 1 with GPS timing from the AP listen at the same 
time.  Distance is not relevant unless you are utilizing the feature 
set of the SM to retransmit a GPS sync pulse that it receives from and 
AP to a BH or AP.  The lag that is introduced by having to transmit 
that pulse info across the wireless link to the SM retransmitting is 
the only time that distance can come into play.  The application this 
is used for is for a cheap repeater system so that you dont have to 
have a GPS synchronizing device at every tower.
   /SM
GPS --AP#1 /
  \
\SM (retransmitting GPS sync pulse) --AP#2 
--SM (retransmitting GPS sync pulse) --AP#3 (this AP will be out of 
sync with AP#1)

Basically the timing is measured in nano seconds so it takes to long 
for RF to transmit the data across the wireless links to continue to 
propagate the timing signal.  But if you put a GPS sync generating 
device at AP#3 it would be in perfect time with AP#1 and close enough 
timing with AP#2 that they all would get along.

One thing to keep in mind is if you are the only Canopy shop in the 
area you can have your AP's generate the sync pulse and avoid the cost 
of the GPS synchronizing items.  Also again as for the distance 
statement.  6 AP's in a cluster sharing 3 channels have to be synced.  
believe me the messy antenna on the Canopy units dont have a good 
enough F/B ratio to not hear another AP 6 away from it.  The two AP's 
that are back to back share the same channel so that when they 
transmit the SM's that are listening are as far away from each other 
as possible and thus reduce any chance of talking over each other.  
The largest benefit that GPS sync allows is to add additional capacity 
to area's by allowing for more towers to be in a smaller area without 
self interference.  If long range rural deployments are the plan then 
GPS sync will only benefit you if you have competitors utilizing the 
same equipment and configuration in the area.  So a Moto advantage 
cluster has about 84mb total (Classic Canopy would be 42mb) FTP 
bandwidth available to it.  If more is needed you can place the towers 
with in a few miles and divide a cell into two micro cells each with a 
possible 84mb of total bandwidth for a total of 168mb serviced to a 
given area. One last note, GPS timing will not allow for two separate 
clusters of the same type ( two 2.4ghz clusters) to be on the same 
tower.  I can't write out whats in my head on this getting a 
little late in the night but if you wanted to I

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RE: [WISPA] Where to test my new DS3

[Gino A. Villarini]

Where can I test it to...

Hey Matt, btw, nice PR on Yahoo what gear you are using to provide the
customers OSPF ?

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Where to test my new DS3

Setup an iperf server.

-Matt

Gino A. Villarini wrote:

 Anyone know of a high cap BW tester?

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RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

[Gino A. Villarini]

You can have the cake and eat it too!!

Advantage AP to Classic SM can achieve 14 mbps to the Classic SM, not
sustained, only burstable.

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 12:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

Another quick question...

If you are running a Canopy Advantage AP and you use regular Canopy 
SM's, can the AP still deliver the 14Mbps of bandwidth, or will it be 
limited to 7Mbps (like the SM's)?

Trying to decide if I want to use Advantage SM's or just regular?

Travis
Microserv

Anthony Will wrote:

 Well I have had 2.4ghz radio's link up at -89db (not very well mind 
 you but...) so I don't know what to tell you other then Moto has 
 traditionally understated there spec sheets.  The GPS is what sets the 
 timing for the AP's.  The AP's coordinate the timing slots for all 
 SM's registered to them.  So how it works is that all AP's on channel 
 1 across the world all transmit at the same time, and all SM's synced 
 to a AP on channel 1 with GPS timing from the AP listen at the same 
 time.  Distance is not relevant unless you are utilizing the feature 
 set of the SM to retransmit a GPS sync pulse that it receives from and 
 AP to a BH or AP.  The lag that is introduced by having to transmit 
 that pulse info across the wireless link to the SM retransmitting is 
 the only time that distance can come into play.  The application this 
 is used for is for a cheap repeater system so that you dont have to 
 have a GPS synchronizing device at every tower.
 /SM
 GPS --AP#1 /
\
  \SM (retransmitting GPS sync pulse) --AP#2 
 --SM (retransmitting GPS sync pulse) --AP#3 (this AP will be out of 
 sync with AP#1)

 Basically the timing is measured in nano seconds so it takes to long 
 for RF to transmit the data across the wireless links to continue to 
 propagate the timing signal.  But if you put a GPS sync generating 
 device at AP#3 it would be in perfect time with AP#1 and close enough 
 timing with AP#2 that they all would get along.

 One thing to keep in mind is if you are the only Canopy shop in the 
 area you can have your AP's generate the sync pulse and avoid the cost 
 of the GPS synchronizing items.  Also again as for the distance 
 statement.  6 AP's in a cluster sharing 3 channels have to be synced.  
 believe me the messy antenna on the Canopy units dont have a good 
 enough F/B ratio to not hear another AP 6 away from it.  The two AP's 
 that are back to back share the same channel so that when they 
 transmit the SM's that are listening are as far away from each other 
 as possible and thus reduce any chance of talking over each other.  
 The largest benefit that GPS sync allows is to add additional capacity 
 to area's by allowing for more towers to be in a smaller area without 
 self interference.  If long range rural deployments are the plan then 
 GPS sync will only benefit you if you have competitors utilizing the 
 same equipment and configuration in the area.  So a Moto advantage 
 cluster has about 84mb total (Classic Canopy would be 42mb) FTP 
 bandwidth available to it.  If more is needed you can place the towers 
 with in a few miles and divide a cell into two micro cells each with a 
 possible 84mb of total bandwidth for a total of 168mb serviced to a 
 given area. One last note, GPS timing will not allow for two separate 
 clusters of the same type ( two 2.4ghz clusters) to be on the same 
 tower.  I can't write out whats in my head on this getting a 
 little late in the night but if you wanted to I could talk to you over 
 the phone and explain it.  Send me an email to anthonyw (at) 
 broadband-mn.com and Ill give you my cell phone number or give you a 
 call.

 Anthony Will
 Broadband Corp.

 Travis Johnson wrote:

 Hi,

 First, the spec sheet on Motorola's website says -86 RSSI.

 What happens when you have more than 3 towers outside of the 8 mile 
 range of GPS sync? The 2.4ghz signal will definately travel that far, 
 causing self-interference, correct?

 Travis
 Microserv

 Anthony Will wrote:

 Answers in-line

 Travis Johnson wrote:

 Hi,

 I'd like to go back to the specs on different radios just so I can 
 compare for myself...

 Trango 2.4ghz:
 5Mbps auto ratio
 8 non-overlapping channels
 10mhz spectrum per channel
 -90 Receive level
 15 mile range (without a grid)
 External connector and dual-pol integrated antenna
 $879 AP (WISP price)
 $479 SU (WISP price)

 Canopy 2.4ghz (regular):
 7Mbps fixed ratio
 3 non-overlapping channels
 20mhz spectrum per channel
 -86 Receive level


 2.4 canopy has a -89 receive level

 5 mile range (without a dish)
 $902 AP (reseller price online)
 $490 SU (reseller price online)


 I am guessing your quoting

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

[Gino A. Villarini]

www.packetflux.com

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 6:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

Someone posted a 3rd party GPS sync module (around $300 I think?). Can 
someone share that info with me again, please? :)

Travis
Microserv

Mike Bushard, Jr wrote:

Run Advantage AP's and Legacy SM's.

With the Advantage AP's and legacy SM's you get the Latency, and High
Priority Channel all the time, and can burst to full 2X Rate. If you need
the full 2x Rate Sustained, buy an Advantage SM.


To answer your question, yes the Advantage AP will deliver the full 14Mb
Aggregate.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 11:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

Another quick question...

If you are running a Canopy Advantage AP and you use regular Canopy 
SM's, can the AP still deliver the 14Mbps of bandwidth, or will it be 
limited to 7Mbps (like the SM's)?

Trying to decide if I want to use Advantage SM's or just regular?

Travis
Microserv

Anthony Will wrote:

  

Well I have had 2.4ghz radio's link up at -89db (not very well mind 
you but...) so I don't know what to tell you other then Moto has 
traditionally understated there spec sheets.  The GPS is what sets the 
timing for the AP's.  The AP's coordinate the timing slots for all 
SM's registered to them.  So how it works is that all AP's on channel 
1 across the world all transmit at the same time, and all SM's synced 
to a AP on channel 1 with GPS timing from the AP listen at the same 
time.  Distance is not relevant unless you are utilizing the feature 
set of the SM to retransmit a GPS sync pulse that it receives from and 
AP to a BH or AP.  The lag that is introduced by having to transmit 
that pulse info across the wireless link to the SM retransmitting is 
the only time that distance can come into play.  The application this 
is used for is for a cheap repeater system so that you dont have to 
have a GPS synchronizing device at every tower.
/SM
GPS --AP#1 /
   \
 \SM (retransmitting GPS sync pulse) --AP#2 
--SM (retransmitting GPS sync pulse) --AP#3 (this AP will be out of 
sync with AP#1)

Basically the timing is measured in nano seconds so it takes to long 
for RF to transmit the data across the wireless links to continue to 
propagate the timing signal.  But if you put a GPS sync generating 
device at AP#3 it would be in perfect time with AP#1 and close enough 
timing with AP#2 that they all would get along.

One thing to keep in mind is if you are the only Canopy shop in the 
area you can have your AP's generate the sync pulse and avoid the cost 
of the GPS synchronizing items.  Also again as for the distance 
statement.  6 AP's in a cluster sharing 3 channels have to be synced.  
believe me the messy antenna on the Canopy units dont have a good 
enough F/B ratio to not hear another AP 6 away from it.  The two AP's 
that are back to back share the same channel so that when they 
transmit the SM's that are listening are as far away from each other 
as possible and thus reduce any chance of talking over each other.  
The largest benefit that GPS sync allows is to add additional capacity 
to area's by allowing for more towers to be in a smaller area without 
self interference.  If long range rural deployments are the plan then 
GPS sync will only benefit you if you have competitors utilizing the 
same equipment and configuration in the area.  So a Moto advantage 
cluster has about 84mb total (Classic Canopy would be 42mb) FTP 
bandwidth available to it.  If more is needed you can place the towers 
with in a few miles and divide a cell into two micro cells each with a 
possible 84mb of total bandwidth for a total of 168mb serviced to a 
given area. One last note, GPS timing will not allow for two separate 
clusters of the same type ( two 2.4ghz clusters) to be on the same 
tower.  I can't write out whats in my head on this getting a 
little late in the night but if you wanted to I could talk to you over 
the phone and explain it.  Send me an email to anthonyw (at) 
broadband-mn.com and Ill give you my cell phone number or give you a 
call.

Anthony Will
Broadband Corp.

Travis Johnson wrote:



Hi,

First, the spec sheet on Motorola's website says -86 RSSI.

What happens when you have more than 3 towers outside of the 8 mile 
range of GPS sync? The 2.4ghz signal will definately travel that far, 
causing self-interference, correct?

Travis
Microserv

Anthony Will wrote:

  

Answers in-line

Travis Johnson wrote:



Hi,

I'd like to go back

[WISPA] Source for Routerboad 532a

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Title: Source for Routerboad 532a






Anyone know were to get them? Available stock

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RE: [WISPA] Source for Routerboad 532a

[Gino A. Villarini]

Just got a call from them, they have 200 in stock 

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CTI was out of stock when I ordered a week ago, but mine showed up 
yesterday.  Unless they got rid of them all in one day, CTI would have them.

Brian

Gino A. Villarini wrote:

 Anyone know were to get them? Available stock

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[WISPA] Where to test my new DS3

[Gino A. Villarini]

Title: Where to test my new DS3






Anyone know of a high cap BW tester?

Gino A. Villarini

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RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

[Gino A. Villarini]

I have always questioned why Motorola bought Nextnet, Nexnet it's a
proprietary system with no upgrade path to Wimax... But my theory is based
on them buying Nexnet to clear them out and offer Clearwire a Wimax upgrade
path using the Wi4 Wimax plataform ...

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I'm sure most know that was a 'play' and basically secured Moto's 
position to sell WIMAX gear to the 2nd largest 2.5GHz spectrum holder. 
It would have been interesting if Alvarion had been in their place...not 
sure if you guys have that kind of change sitting around.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Tech.

Patrick Leary wrote:

Speaking of Clearwire, folks here are aware that Motorola now owns
NextNet, the hardware supplier to Clearwire (that once was part of
Clearwire, at least in ownership terms), right? The purchase was IN
ADDITION to the $300M investment Motorola made into Clearwire
http://telephonyonline.com/wireless/finance/motorola_clearwire_nextnet_0
70606/

To give you an idea of how much that Moto investment is relative to your
Canopy businessthat is more than Canopy makes for Motorola worldwide
over 2 years. 

Patrick

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Ahhh... there's always a catch... so now Motorola has your customer's 
address and can use that for their own marketing, etc. without you ever 
knowing. They could possibly even sell the list to someone (ClearWire) 
down the road and you would never know.

Travis
Microserv

Anthony Will wrote:
  


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RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

[Gino A. Villarini]

C'mon Patrick .. GPS is not a must on Canopy, I have half of my pops without
it ... I don't really like when people make statements like this, you sound
like you have years of hands on Canopy experience... 
 

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Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 3:17 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon

Jon,

Why is that the case? You really think GPS on Canopy is some cool
feature? Canopy must have GPS to function. Without it, it kills itself.
It is all to prevent self-inflicted interference (remember, Canopy does
not even have ATPC) and to allow for channel re-use. Other systems, like
VL, do not need it. It provides far more capacity than Canopy, so it
does not need to re-use channels and with basic channel planning you
don't have issues with self-interference.

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243

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Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:20 PM
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My problem with VL is that it doesn't offer a scheduled mac...no 
syncronization capability. Now if this get's incorporated down the line 
I would be interested? We've used it all, you name it, and at this point

if it doesn't have GPS sync I'm hesitant to even touch it. That is one 
advantage that WIMAX will be bringing...

Jon Langeler
Michwave Tech.

Patrick Leary wrote:

I have a very interesting new (this month) pdf about this topic that
compares Canopy Advantage and BreezeACCESS VL in a variety of ways,
from
a coverage modeling example using high end propagation software to VoIP
stats using company documents from both companies. 

We think it makes a clear case for BreezeACCESS VL, far beyond the
simple front end cost discussions. 

It is 189k in size and would be great fodder for discussion here. If
you
want a copy, e-mail me offlist.

Patrick Leary
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Alvarion, Inc.
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RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

[Gino A. Villarini]

The problem with SNR for alignment
purposes is that you are dealing with a variable in noise, with rssi you work
with fixed numbers. Im not dissing SNR, it is extremely important,
But for example, in order to trouble shoot a link  let say I install a
Link and Im seeing a a SNR of 6 on this link,how the heck can I determine if
the antenna is miss aligned or the noise floor is very high ???





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From:
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Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006
12:24 PM
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 General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs





Right, but the LED bar on the CPE can be used to do that. I mean, isn't
SNR more complete than just RSSI, meaning if your SNR is good than the RSSI is
by default good. Anyway, I have never heard of any moderately experienced VL
user say the units did not convey enough info to easily establish a link and
understand the quality of the connection. Consider that with the CPE VL radio
the LEDs will show:



WLAN link light-


Solid Green  Unit is
associated with an AU, no wireless link activity


Blinking Green  Data
received or transmitted on the wireless link, blinking rate is proportional to
wireless

traffic rate


Off  Wireless link is
disabled



Status light 


Solid Green  Power is
available and self-test passed


Blinking Amber  Testing
(not ready for operation)


Red  Self-test failed
 fatal error



Ethernet light 


Solid Green  Ethernet link
between the indoor and outdoor units is detected, no activity


Blinking Green  Ethernet
connectivity is OK, with traffic on the port. Blinking rate proportional to
traffic rate


Red  No Ethernet
connectivity between the indoor and outdoor units



SNR bar 


Red LED: Signal is too low
(SNR4 dB)


Orange LED: Signal is too high
(SNR  50 dB)


8 green LEDs: Quality of the
received signal (green LEDs translate per below)

LED 1 (red) is On - Signal is too low (SNR  4 dB)

LED 2 (green) is On - SNR  4 dB

LEDs 2 to 3 (green) are On - SNR  8 dB

LEDs 2 to 4 (green) are On - SNR  13 dB

LEDs 2 to 5 (green) are On - SNR  19 dB

LEDs 2 to 6 (green) are On - SNR  26 dB

LEDs 2 to 7 (green) are On - SNR  31 dB

LEDs 2 to 8 (green) are On - SNR  38 dB

LEDs 2 to 9 (green) are On - SNR  44 dB

LEDs 2 to 9 (green) and 10 (orange) are On Signal is
too high (SNR  50 dB)



Mod level : Sensitivity : Min. SNR (this chart for
20MHz channel)

1 : -89 dBm : 6 dB

2 : -88 dBm : 7 dB

3 : -86 dBm : 9 dB

4 : -84 dBm : 11 dB

5 : -81 dBm : 14 dB

6 : -77 dBm : 18 dB

7 : -73 dBm : 22 dB

8 : -71 dBm : 23 dB





Patrick Leary

AVP WISP Markets

Alvarion, Inc.

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c: 760.580.0080

Vonage: 650.641.1243



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Patrick,



Rssi is very important to determine if a link is properly aligned and
its achieving its link budget.



Altough we dont use alvarion(yet), we are currently researching
backhaul options and the way we comission ptp links here is that we run the
calcs on radio mobile and spreedsheet to determine the link budget in advance
to implementation. Snr wont help much there...



Gino



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 To: WISPA General
 Listwireless@wispa.org

 Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

 Brad,

 

 Software controlled dual polarity might be nice. Not
sure why you

 consistently harp on us though since no one else has
it either other

 than your longtime preferred vendor.

 

 I am not as convinced about your complaint about
RSSI. Is it just used

 to RSSI like being used to feet in stead of meters.
But also, isn't RSSI

 less sophisticated and a less useful number than SNR
since it is only an

 indication of receive signal without discounting noise?
SNR provides a

 more accurate representation of wanted signal since
it discounts for

 unwanted noise.

 

 Not sure of your complaint about the RJ45. No one
else remarks about it

 and we don't have issues with water intrusion. In
other words, it works

 well. If the opening was enlarged you increase the
potential for water

 intrusion.

 

 Following the color code? Yes, as an old cabling
guy, I would agree. But

 I am pleased to note that one is really running out
of things to harp

 about when one continually highlights this a major
deficiency.

 

 So now that I have responded here to your public
mail, will you please

 admit that even if the VL came to life and saved
your kid from a flood

 you complain that it was not fast enough and that it
ripped the kid's

 clothes. I wish some day you'd accept that your
customer chose VL and

 you should take the opportunity to learn about it
instead of still

 trying to make it fail so you can get them to switch

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

[Gino A. Villarini]

Tom,

I can give you some Canopy buying tips off line ...

Also I would like to add that the $150 Trango fox is basically useless with
the Dish, putting its true price to $250 or so ...

Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 4:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

Gino,

The prices you state seem way low.  I've only see nthat on temporar or Ebay 
type buying.
Is their a CONSISTENT source for $225 and $550 pricing in less than 25 qty?

I believe that anyone that is required to buy in qty higher than 25 to get 
best price is getting overly burdened and likely loosing their savings after

looking at all cash flow costs.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 11:05 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs


 Let me comment on this 

 #Canopy 5.7 AP - $970 (Advantage $1,974)

 is this MRSP ? you can buy this the AP for $800 +/- , Advantage for $1500

 #C/I advantage
 #Fixed up/down ratio

 Add GPS Sync, Feature rich firmware, NMS Software, Strong support, Good
 promos, Only Manufacturer to offer price conscious upgrade program, third
 party products (dishes , gps syncs) ect ect ect

 #$490 CPE ($737 advantage) .. yikes with CPE you have 3 options :

 Canopy Lite (1mbps) $170 +/- 25 packs
 Canopy (14 Mbps Burst) $225 +/-
 Canopy Advantage (14 Mbps sustained ) $550 ( way over priced IMHO )



 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:31 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] vendor specs

 Hi,

 I changed the subject line to reflect more the direction of this
 discussion (Trango vs. Canopy vs. Alvarion)... ;)

 This is just off the top of my head, and I would love to see more data
 on any of these radios:

 Trango 5830AP - $1,079 retail
 Dual polarity
 10Mbps (auto up/down ratio)
 Easy management (CLI and web)
 $149 CPE ($199 up to 10 miles)

 Canopy 5.7 AP - $970 (Advantage $1,974)
 C/I advantage
 Fixed up/down ratio
 $490 CPE ($737 advantage)

 Alvarion VL AP - $4,500 (rough retail)
 36Mbps and 40,000pps
 $1,000 CPE

 For whatever it's worth, we have over 2,500 CPE in the air and over
 2,000 are Trango (900mhz, 2.4ghz, 5.8ghz). The Trango product has worked
 very well for us, and we are located on some mountaintop repeater
 locations that literally have over 100 antennas (paging, HAM, WISPs,
 etc.) within 100 yards of each other.

 Our biggest problem is frequency availability at all (regardless of
 radio choice)... we have a 2.4ghz AP at a repeater station that is
 full. We attempted to install a second sector today and ran a site
 survey at this location across the entire 2.4ghz band, the average
 signals ranged from -25 to -55 at the best. :(

 Travis
 Microserv

 Jon Langeler wrote:

 Tom, I have nothing to gain or lose by telling you what we've not only
 extensivley tested but also experienced over 6 years. We started using
 canopy since it began shipping and at least 100 trango SU between 3
 different towers since beta. I just hate to see fellow wisp protest
 that there isn't a good product and struggle when their actually is a
 pretty darn good one...and on top of that has an upgrade path in it's
 vision, it keeps getting better.

 ARQ does not affect C/I like FEC does for example. When you say ARQ is
 fixing any resiliance problems that may be true. But you'll also
 suffer from increased latency and less throughput during those
 retransmissions. Not good if you want to support VOIP and keep
 customers happy. Having a low C/I means the system will be stable more
 often and maintain a lower retrans. Trango's ARQ is not even an option
 in the 5800 model which is what you and I probably have a decent
 percentage of in our Trango networks. Having a low C/I requirement
 affects other things like increases the range of a product. I'm laying
 out facts, you can convince yourself of whatever you want...

 Jon Langeler
 Michwave Tech.

 Tom DeReggi wrote:

 Nice try, but I've found that comment to be not at all true. I have
 often chosen to avoid canopy user's channels, but because I am a good
 WISP neighbor, not because I had to.  Why fight if you can
 cooperate.  On a SPEC sheet Canopy does boast the lowest C/I.  But
 Trango's specified C/I was reported before considering ARQ. And
 Trango has always underspec'd their spec sheets.  C/I is not nearly
 as relevant as SNR resilience anyway. With Arq, we've easilly ran
 links as low as 4 db above the average noise floor, reliably

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

[Gino A. Villarini]

Tom, Can you achieve a solid link with the Trango Atals Fox for more than 1
mile ?

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 4:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

Trango is no where near $400 for Atlas Foxes.  Trango's Atlas Fox's distance

without dish is just about the same as the standard Canopy CPE (same DBI 
antenna).
Remember that Trango lists retail on their site to protest the WISP.  Low 
volume WISP special pricing is granted to any WISP.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Anthony Will [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs


 Your numbers are a bit off on the canopy and when i looked on the trango 
 site it looks more in the range of $400 per unit at 30 pack pricing for 
 trango's.  I believe your getting that price but at what qualities?
 I have a couple hundred in the air and I have Midwest Wireless the 5th 
 largest WISP in the country playing in my back yard using Alvarions junk 
 BA2 system all over the place.  And I also have a local ILEC, Stonebridge 
 and the remains of Xtratyme all over the rest of my coverage area.  My 
 PtmP system is all 900mhz and 2.4 ghz using omni's and I dont have any 
 issues with interference.  The longest customer link I have on 900mhz is 
 18.5 miles and the longest 2.4 link is 12 miles.  I use omni's so that I 
 dont completely destroy the airwaves for others that are playing in the 
 same sand box.
 Canopy pricing:
 AP = $898  (Advantage $1554) Single pricing
 CPE = $267 (Advantage $402 ) 25pack pricing  Add $40 a unit for 15 mile 
 range (stinger or beehive dish all FCC certified)
 CPE = $216 (Advantage $324) 100 pack pricing Add $25 a unit for 15 mile 
 range (stinger or beehive dish all FCC certified)

 Anthony Will
 Broadband Corp.


 Travis Johnson wrote:
 Hi,

 I changed the subject line to reflect more the direction of this 
 discussion (Trango vs. Canopy vs. Alvarion)... ;)

 This is just off the top of my head, and I would love to see more data on

 any of these radios:

 Trango 5830AP - $1,079 retail
 Dual polarity
 10Mbps (auto up/down ratio)
 Easy management (CLI and web)
 $149 CPE ($199 up to 10 miles)

 Canopy 5.7 AP - $970 (Advantage $1,974)
 C/I advantage
 Fixed up/down ratio
 $490 CPE ($737 advantage)

 Alvarion VL AP - $4,500 (rough retail)
 36Mbps and 40,000pps
 $1,000 CPE

 For whatever it's worth, we have over 2,500 CPE in the air and over 2,000

 are Trango (900mhz, 2.4ghz, 5.8ghz). The Trango product has worked very 
 well for us, and we are located on some mountaintop repeater locations 
 that literally have over 100 antennas (paging, HAM, WISPs, etc.) within 
 100 yards of each other.

 Our biggest problem is frequency availability at all (regardless of radio

 choice)... we have a 2.4ghz AP at a repeater station that is full. We 
 attempted to install a second sector today and ran a site survey at this 
 location across the entire 2.4ghz band, the average signals ranged 
 from -25 to -55 at the best. :(

 Travis
 Microserv

 Jon Langeler wrote:

 Tom, I have nothing to gain or lose by telling you what we've not only 
 extensivley tested but also experienced over 6 years. We started using 
 canopy since it began shipping and at least 100 trango SU between 3 
 different towers since beta. I just hate to see fellow wisp protest that

 there isn't a good product and struggle when their actually is a pretty 
 darn good one...and on top of that has an upgrade path in it's vision, 
 it keeps getting better.

 ARQ does not affect C/I like FEC does for example. When you say ARQ is 
 fixing any resiliance problems that may be true. But you'll also suffer 
 from increased latency and less throughput during those retransmissions.

 Not good if you want to support VOIP and keep customers happy. Having a 
 low C/I means the system will be stable more often and maintain a lower 
 retrans. Trango's ARQ is not even an option in the 5800 model which is 
 what you and I probably have a decent percentage of in our Trango 
 networks. Having a low C/I requirement affects other things like 
 increases the range of a product. I'm laying out facts, you can convince

 yourself of whatever you want...

 Jon Langeler
 Michwave Tech.

 Tom DeReggi wrote:

 Nice try, but I've found that comment to be not at all true. I have 
 often chosen to avoid canopy user's channels, but because I am a good 
 WISP neighbor, not because I had to.  Why fight if you can cooperate. 
 On a SPEC sheet Canopy does boast the lowest C/I.  But Trango's 
 specified C/I was reported before considering ARQ. And Trango has 
 always underspec'd their spec sheets.  C/I is not nearly

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

[Gino A. Villarini]

Trango Atlas CPE with dish  $250?
Canopy with dish $275

Canopy Advantage Cluster:
6 Ap's @ $1500 each = $9k (you can start your pop with a fcc certified omni
unit for $2.7k and evolve to a full sector later)
CMM Micro for Power and Sync = $1.5k *optional
BAM - Prizm = $2k *optional

The CMM Micro is optional component for GPS Sync, you can achieve sync among
the cluster with 10 ft of cat 5 and 6 rj11 connectors

BAM - Prizm is a NMS for Management but is NOT a required component, you can
manage all your settings from the web interface on each unit including
bandwidth and such.  I would only recommend the Prizm NMS for big WISP's
(200+ units )

About the Third Party:

There are a couple on 3rd party improvements for canopy, almost all were
created on a cost savings stand point, Example:

Motorola reflector dish for 10 mile + links $100
Beehive Wireless reflector dish for 10 mile links $49.95 (fcc certified)

Motorola CMM GPS Sync System $1.5k
PacketFLux GPS Sync $300

Any other questions ?

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 4:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

So what is the onesy-twosy price of a Trango Atlas with an extended
range antenna? What is the price for a Canopy Advantage CPE with
extended range? I have plenty of data I've found, but there seems to be
some wide discrepancy here among you folks.

How about total cost for a Canopy cluster with the BAM, GPS synch, and
other little extra things you need for it to be complete?

Also, I've heard a number of you talk about availability of third party
improvements like it is a benefit of the Canopy system. Seriously, isn't
that more a reflection of the glaring gaps in Canopy that have led smart
WISP entrepreneurs to capitalize?

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 1:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

Trango is no where near $400 for Atlas Foxes.  Trango's Atlas Fox's
distance 
without dish is just about the same as the standard Canopy CPE (same DBI

antenna).
Remember that Trango lists retail on their site to protest the WISP.
Low 
volume WISP special pricing is granted to any WISP.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Anthony Will [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs


 Your numbers are a bit off on the canopy and when i looked on the
trango 
 site it looks more in the range of $400 per unit at 30 pack pricing
for 
 trango's.  I believe your getting that price but at what qualities?
 I have a couple hundred in the air and I have Midwest Wireless the 5th

 largest WISP in the country playing in my back yard using Alvarions
junk 
 BA2 system all over the place.  And I also have a local ILEC,
Stonebridge 
 and the remains of Xtratyme all over the rest of my coverage area.  My

 PtmP system is all 900mhz and 2.4 ghz using omni's and I dont have any

 issues with interference.  The longest customer link I have on 900mhz
is 
 18.5 miles and the longest 2.4 link is 12 miles.  I use omni's so that
I 
 dont completely destroy the airwaves for others that are playing in
the 
 same sand box.
 Canopy pricing:
 AP = $898  (Advantage $1554) Single pricing
 CPE = $267 (Advantage $402 ) 25pack pricing  Add $40 a unit for 15
mile 
 range (stinger or beehive dish all FCC certified)
 CPE = $216 (Advantage $324) 100 pack pricing Add $25 a unit for 15
mile 
 range (stinger or beehive dish all FCC certified)

 Anthony Will
 Broadband Corp.


 Travis Johnson wrote:
 Hi,

 I changed the subject line to reflect more the direction of this 
 discussion (Trango vs. Canopy vs. Alvarion)... ;)

 This is just off the top of my head, and I would love to see more
data on 
 any of these radios:

 Trango 5830AP - $1,079 retail
 Dual polarity
 10Mbps (auto up/down ratio)
 Easy management (CLI and web)
 $149 CPE ($199 up to 10 miles)

 Canopy 5.7 AP - $970 (Advantage $1,974)
 C/I advantage
 Fixed up/down ratio
 $490 CPE ($737 advantage)

 Alvarion VL AP - $4,500 (rough retail)
 36Mbps and 40,000pps
 $1,000 CPE

 For whatever it's worth, we have over 2,500 CPE in the air and over
2,000 
 are Trango (900mhz, 2.4ghz, 5.8ghz). The Trango product has worked
very 
 well for us, and we are located on some mountaintop repeater
locations 
 that literally have over 100 antennas (paging, HAM, WISPs, etc.)
within 
 100 yards of each other.

 Our biggest problem is frequency availability at all (regardless of
radio 
 choice)... we have a 2.4ghz AP at a repeater station

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

[Gino A. Villarini]

Feature rich firmware:

-lets start by firmware that actually works and is really tested before
release

-Vlan capability on the SM to tag packets with Q, also with Vlan  filtering
-NAT cabability on the SM with DHCP Client and Server plus Port filtering
and DMZ
-Traffic filter in bridge mode, with option to filter ARP, PPPOE, Multicast,
SNMP, DHCP server/client, SMP (port 135 and 445) ect.
-Diff serv to identify and prioritize packets
-Virtual High Priority RF Channel, allocates x amount of kbps to a virtual
priority rf channel for QOS packets 
-Bandwidth management with CIR, MIR and burst settings
-Ethernet port speed settings that actually works ducking
-Lots of stats 

GPS sync is extra $$.

True, but this is truly what makes canopy works and you have nice 3rd party
options like www.lastmilegear.com and www.packetflux.com for the gps sync
units that start @ less than $300 for a 4 port Sync unit

NMS software is extra $$.
True, but the the last version of this Prizm 2.0 is a monster of software
with lots of features .. it is a tool that any 200 + cpe wisp should have.
Auto update of network, auto discovery of CPE's with auto ip assignment,
lots of snmp monitoring, auto provisioning tools,  external connection
interface for billing , cmr and other hooks



Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 12:06 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

I guess I left the door open for comments like feature rich 
firmware what does THAT mean? It definately doesn't mean the SM 
number stays the same on the AP with each reboot or SM re-association.. ;)

GPS sync is extra $$.
NMS software is extra $$.

The pricing I listed was MSRP (or what I could find online with a quick 
search)... and even with your posted prices, the Trango $149 CPE (10Mbps 
sustained, auto up/down speed ratio) is still a better buy. :)

Travis
Microserv

Gino A. Villarini wrote:

Let me comment on this 

#Canopy 5.7 AP - $970 (Advantage $1,974) 

is this MRSP ? you can buy this the AP for $800 +/- , Advantage for $1500

#C/I advantage
#Fixed up/down ratio

Add GPS Sync, Feature rich firmware, NMS Software, Strong support, Good
promos, Only Manufacturer to offer price conscious upgrade program, third
party products (dishes , gps syncs) ect ect ect

#$490 CPE ($737 advantage) .. yikes with CPE you have 3 options :

Canopy Lite (1mbps) $170 +/- 25 packs
Canopy (14 Mbps Burst) $225 +/-
Canopy Advantage (14 Mbps sustained ) $550 ( way over priced IMHO )



Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] vendor specs

Hi,

I changed the subject line to reflect more the direction of this 
discussion (Trango vs. Canopy vs. Alvarion)... ;)

This is just off the top of my head, and I would love to see more data 
on any of these radios:

Trango 5830AP - $1,079 retail
Dual polarity
10Mbps (auto up/down ratio)
Easy management (CLI and web)
$149 CPE ($199 up to 10 miles)

Canopy 5.7 AP - $970 (Advantage $1,974)
C/I advantage
Fixed up/down ratio
$490 CPE ($737 advantage)

Alvarion VL AP - $4,500 (rough retail)
36Mbps and 40,000pps
$1,000 CPE

For whatever it's worth, we have over 2,500 CPE in the air and over 
2,000 are Trango (900mhz, 2.4ghz, 5.8ghz). The Trango product has worked 
very well for us, and we are located on some mountaintop repeater 
locations that literally have over 100 antennas (paging, HAM, WISPs, 
etc.) within 100 yards of each other.

Our biggest problem is frequency availability at all (regardless of 
radio choice)... we have a 2.4ghz AP at a repeater station that is 
full. We attempted to install a second sector today and ran a site 
survey at this location across the entire 2.4ghz band, the average 
signals ranged from -25 to -55 at the best. :(

Travis
Microserv

Jon Langeler wrote:

  

Tom, I have nothing to gain or lose by telling you what we've not only 
extensivley tested but also experienced over 6 years. We started using 
canopy since it began shipping and at least 100 trango SU between 3 
different towers since beta. I just hate to see fellow wisp protest 
that there isn't a good product and struggle when their actually is a 
pretty darn good one...and on top of that has an upgrade path in it's 
vision, it keeps getting better.

ARQ does not affect C/I like FEC does for example. When you say ARQ is 
fixing any resiliance problems that may be true. But you'll also 
suffer from increased latency and less throughput during those 
retransmissions. Not good if you want to support VOIP and keep 
customers happy. Having a low C/I means the system

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

[Gino A. Villarini]

Connectorized Canopy SM are coming q4

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 2:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

As much as I've protested Canopy, (in my mind poor design), the smaller the 
gaps are getting.
The problem is that Trango kept degrading their gear more and more like 
Canopy. And Canopy kept improving their gear.
Trango still wins, because Trango is less expensive.
Canopy still has some of the traits that I also don't like about Trango 
(darn DSS dish antennas).

My goal is to gain the High Arpu business.  Who the winner will be is not a 
dying breed product, but the manufacturer that steps up to the plate to 
deliver a complete product.
I want to be done with half-assed antennas.   What I've learned is that the 
ANTENNA IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS THE RADIO.

Trango's strength had always been their internal antennas and options for 
good external ones.

On a side note, Does Canopy 5.8G CPEs have external connectors?

The truth is, I want the cheap CPE antenna option, for half my installs, 
cause it saves me money and thats all I need to do the job. I just don't 
want to give up the flexibilty to optimize reliabitly for the other 50%.

The other thing you forget is, I'd now rather fight it out, and stay put on 
the channel, doesn't mean that I will win.  With Trango, I still have the 
option to change my mind, when somebody beats me up, and I need to go run to

another channel or polarity. Its always good to have a backup plan.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:24 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links


snip
What I'm learning is that as my business grows, the abilty to change and
move (channel options) is becoming less important that the abilty to
effectively battle it out. The reason is that if every time I hiot noise, I
move away from the channel, eventually others take those channels., until
they are all gone, and their is no where else to move to. Sometimes its
better to claim the space and say, I'm here first, go find another
channel to play on.  And keep fighting back with better antennas. As the
antenna grows, you over power the interference, but the important point is,
you reduce the interference to you and them, by restricting the beamwidth.
The high power via antenna you go, the more courtious it is to the other
player to attempt avoidence of signals interfering.  Alvarion gives that
advantage.
/snip

Tom,

Based on that observation...shouldn't you be looking at Canopy ducking

-Charles

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RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

[Gino A. Villarini]

Let me comment on this 

#Canopy 5.7 AP - $970 (Advantage $1,974) 

is this MRSP ? you can buy this the AP for $800 +/- , Advantage for $1500

#C/I advantage
#Fixed up/down ratio

Add GPS Sync, Feature rich firmware, NMS Software, Strong support, Good
promos, Only Manufacturer to offer price conscious upgrade program, third
party products (dishes , gps syncs) ect ect ect

#$490 CPE ($737 advantage) .. yikes with CPE you have 3 options :

Canopy Lite (1mbps) $170 +/- 25 packs
Canopy (14 Mbps Burst) $225 +/-
Canopy Advantage (14 Mbps sustained ) $550 ( way over priced IMHO )



Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] vendor specs

Hi,

I changed the subject line to reflect more the direction of this 
discussion (Trango vs. Canopy vs. Alvarion)... ;)

This is just off the top of my head, and I would love to see more data 
on any of these radios:

Trango 5830AP - $1,079 retail
Dual polarity
10Mbps (auto up/down ratio)
Easy management (CLI and web)
$149 CPE ($199 up to 10 miles)

Canopy 5.7 AP - $970 (Advantage $1,974)
C/I advantage
Fixed up/down ratio
$490 CPE ($737 advantage)

Alvarion VL AP - $4,500 (rough retail)
36Mbps and 40,000pps
$1,000 CPE

For whatever it's worth, we have over 2,500 CPE in the air and over 
2,000 are Trango (900mhz, 2.4ghz, 5.8ghz). The Trango product has worked 
very well for us, and we are located on some mountaintop repeater 
locations that literally have over 100 antennas (paging, HAM, WISPs, 
etc.) within 100 yards of each other.

Our biggest problem is frequency availability at all (regardless of 
radio choice)... we have a 2.4ghz AP at a repeater station that is 
full. We attempted to install a second sector today and ran a site 
survey at this location across the entire 2.4ghz band, the average 
signals ranged from -25 to -55 at the best. :(

Travis
Microserv

Jon Langeler wrote:

 Tom, I have nothing to gain or lose by telling you what we've not only 
 extensivley tested but also experienced over 6 years. We started using 
 canopy since it began shipping and at least 100 trango SU between 3 
 different towers since beta. I just hate to see fellow wisp protest 
 that there isn't a good product and struggle when their actually is a 
 pretty darn good one...and on top of that has an upgrade path in it's 
 vision, it keeps getting better.

 ARQ does not affect C/I like FEC does for example. When you say ARQ is 
 fixing any resiliance problems that may be true. But you'll also 
 suffer from increased latency and less throughput during those 
 retransmissions. Not good if you want to support VOIP and keep 
 customers happy. Having a low C/I means the system will be stable more 
 often and maintain a lower retrans. Trango's ARQ is not even an option 
 in the 5800 model which is what you and I probably have a decent 
 percentage of in our Trango networks. Having a low C/I requirement 
 affects other things like increases the range of a product. I'm laying 
 out facts, you can convince yourself of whatever you want...

 Jon Langeler
 Michwave Tech.

 Tom DeReggi wrote:

 Nice try, but I've found that comment to be not at all true. I have 
 often chosen to avoid canopy user's channels, but because I am a good 
 WISP neighbor, not because I had to.  Why fight if you can 
 cooperate.  On a SPEC sheet Canopy does boast the lowest C/I.  But 
 Trango's specified C/I was reported before considering ARQ. And 
 Trango has always underspec'd their spec sheets.  C/I is not nearly 
 as relevant as SNR resilience anyway. With Arq, we've easilly ran 
 links as low as 4 db above the average noise floor, reliably.  There 
 is VERY little difference between the Trango and Canopy C/I in real 
 world usage.  The Trango just adds more polarities as more options to 
 work around it, when needed.  One of the reasons we like Trango is 
 its resilience to noise, that gives us the abilty to fight it out and 
 stand our ground.  The Foxes w/ DISH, have excellent ARQ and 
 resilience to Noise, within their range and LOS.

 When we start to have trouble with Trango, is when we start to push 
 the limits of the technology.  Its a LOS technology that we attempt 
 NLOS with. My arguement is also not that we can't be the last man 
 standing. Its that when the battle happens the customer sees it, and 
 the customer does not tolerate it.  IF a Canopy and Trango went to 
 war, one might survive a little better than the other, but ultimately 
 both customers would feel the interference the majority of the time.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

[Gino A. Villarini]

Tom, so what you are changing the Trangos to ?

Also, you can hack yourself a EXT Fox ...

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 8:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

Because, over the years I lost 100% of my high ARPU subs that used 5830-ext 
in these areas. Yes that REALLY hurt the financials of my business.  The 
reason, is that its a high noise environment where we're attempting to 
deploy, and its impossible to offer zero packet loss solutions with TDD 
unless ARQ is available, in these situations.  It makes it worse with all 
the WiFi gear going up, because you don;t know its there half the time, 
until its starts transmiting. (darn I hate contention based). Yes, of 
course, Beta ARQ firmware exists for the 5830-ext, but it can't be used 
reliably.  One of the big mistakes I made is I tried to use it, and learned 
that it locks up the SU radios every couple of days, when under heavy load. 
I did my testing of it on about 10 links. I started on 4 low use links, and 
it appeared to be stable, with only a random lockup every couple of weeks 
that I thought was something else. But after I installed it on the high 
volume links (other 6), they started locking up like crazy. (yes used most 
recent supposedly fixed firmware). Auto-Reboot devices causing two minutes 
of downtime for a reboot, is not adequate for High ARPU large office T1s and

VOIP services. I'd rather not have the business, than to get my reputation 
tarnished by installing links the subscriber ends up cancelling and 
complaining about.  Evey T1 that gets cancelled means there is a MTU 
property owner involved that got the word (they make the referals) and a 
trusted advisor Computer guy (agents that give stamp of approval) that gets 
scared off, when they learn about the failure. Deals with partners that took

months to build get thrown away over night, with a couple reboots from buggy

ARQ firmware.

What you can't forget is that in PtMP, you can't encrease the antenna side 
of the AP. Not everything can be solved with the big antenna on SU side. 
Without ARQ one is toast.

Trango gave me so much hope when they developed ARQ for the 5800 Foxes, 
which works fantastically. I'd select the Fox over a 5830-ext any day 
because of ARQ. But thats not good enough, I need ARQ and EXT connectors. 
Last year,  I made Trango aware that we needed ARQ on 5830-EXT and Link-10s 
more than anything, and a year later, we still don't have it, and its not on

their priority list.  That is frustrating for my business.  Customers don't 
wait in Urban Tier1 markets.  When the Link doesn't go up in a few days, or 
their were a couple of noise issues that scare them, they have already 
placed their order with someone else.

What it has forced me to do, is slowly start swapping out my Trango APs, to 
make room (spectrum and antenna lease fees) for radios that can deliver 
packetlossless links.  Even Wifi gear can offer packetlossless links.  And 
its forced me to go back and re-negotiate my contracts with property owners 
to try and not pay per antenna, so I can get more antennas of larger size 
(PtP) for less money on the roofs.  Its a BIG waste of time, that I wouldn't

have to do, if Trango added ARQ reliable ARQ to 5830-ext.

I'm still a Big Trango fan, and still am basing my business around its 
product, because of its value proposition, but I am loosing sales and 
getting more black eyes than I have to, because Trango does not have a EXT 
antenna product line that delivers reliable ARQ.  I haven't bought a new 
Trango 5830 AP in ages, I have to many pulls on the shelf waiting, when I 
need one.  If Trango never released ARQ for the FOX, I would have never kown

what I was missing. But now that I have experienced it, I can't live without

it.

The two biggest reasons, for lack of progress in my company is, 1) Waiting 
for technology, and 2) Waiting for finance to come through.  I can't count 
how much money I burned just waiting.  I don't want to wait any more. I'm 
tired of waiting. I don't have the energy to keep waiting. I want it now.  I

need it now.  This is a time to market business, where there is a domino 
effect of disaster tied to waiting.

So when a company like Alvarion or Valemont come out with a product that 
will do the job, and I no longer have to wait, I see no reason to wait.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links


 Tom,

 I hate to say this, but I think you missed the boat on your three $500/mo 
 subs. Trango still

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

[Gino A. Villarini]

That's why I asked, to what gear he was switching to ...

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:24 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

snip
What I'm learning is that as my business grows, the abilty to change and 
move (channel options) is becoming less important that the abilty to 
effectively battle it out. The reason is that if every time I hiot noise, I 
move away from the channel, eventually others take those channels., until 
they are all gone, and their is no where else to move to. Sometimes its 
better to claim the space and say, I'm here first, go find another 
channel to play on.  And keep fighting back with better antennas. As the 
antenna grows, you over power the interference, but the important point is, 
you reduce the interference to you and them, by restricting the beamwidth. 
The high power via antenna you go, the more courtious it is to the other 
player to attempt avoidence of signals interfering.  Alvarion gives that 
advantage.
/snip

Tom,

Based on that observation...shouldn't you be looking at Canopy ducking

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RE: [WISPA] Northrop to provide wireless public safety net for NYC

[Gino A. Villarini]

Anyone has an idea on what freq this system will operate ?

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Subject: [WISPA] Northrop to provide wireless public safety net for NYC

Northrop to provide wireless public safety net for NYC

BY Bob Brewin
Published on Sept. 12, 2006

New York City has awarded Northrop Grumman a $500 million contract to 
develop a broadband wireless network, which the city characterized as 
the most aggressive commitment by any municipality to provide a 
next-generation public safety network.

The New York Citywide Mobile Wireless Network (CMWN) will provide the 
New York Police Department, Fire Department, Transportation Department, 
Office of Emergency Management and other agencies with a high-speed 
network capable of handling a variety of broadband data including 
federal and state anti-crime and anti-terrorism, fingerprint, mug shot 
and city map databases, and full-motion streaming video, the city said.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg said the new network will help fill in the 
communications gaps that occurred as emergency workers grappled five 
years ago with the terrorist attacks against the World Trade Center. 
One of the most important lessons learned from the Sept. 11 attacks was 
that our emergency responders need better access to information and 
clearer lines of communication in the field, Bloomberg said.

CMWN will ensure that public safety workers will have the tools they 
need to fight crime and help in emergencies, Bloomberg said. It will 
also improve efficiency and productivity in nonemergency situations by 
streamlining communications and improving service, he added.

The city said it expects Northrop Grumman will turn the network on in 
Lower Manhattan by January 2007, with citywide deployment planned by 
spring 2008. The city has an option to extend the contract for 10 years.

The company said it selected IPWireless to provide its Universal Mobile 
Telecommunications System equipment used by commercial cellular carriers 
for CMWN. The gear can provide mobile users with broadband data service 
at speeds up to 16M per second, according to a fact sheet on the 
company's Web site.

Lori Horton, director of strategic wireless initiatives at Northrop 
Grumman, said CMWN will provide users with data rates of 2M per second 
in a vehicle moving 60 miles per hour. The company demonstrated in a 
test earlier this year in Lower Manhattan that it can provide such data 
rates to vehicles moving at 120 mph, she added.

A unique feature of the network will address concerns raised by top 
commanders' inability to communicate in the aftermath of the terrorist 
attacks, Horton said. It will give priority to incident scene commanders 
so they get the bandwidth they need when they need it, she said.

The city said the high data rates provided by CMWN will allow the NYPD 
and FDNY to deploy new applications to workers in the field. The network 
will enable police officers to access real-time photo, warrant and 
license plate databases.

The network will enable FDNY to establish reliable wireless connectivity 
between the Fire Operations Center and responders in the field to 
transmit on-scene data and video, the city said. New York will work to 
provide network access to state and federal public safety agencies.

The city said it plans to use CMWN support a number of nonemergency 
applications that will provide a significant improvement over existing 
technology for city workers in the field. For example, it will include 
remote water meter reading technology for the Environmental Protection 
Department, which will reduce costs associated with conventional methods 
of meter reading.

The city said its DOT will use the network to expand its ability to 
remotely monitor and program traffic signal controls daily and during 
emergencies.

When New York released the CMWN bid request in 2004, it attracted 
interest from bidders including EDS, IBM, Lucent and Lockheed Martin.

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RE: [WISPA] IP Cameras

[Gino A. Villarini]

Panasonic has a nice outdoor rated PTZ IP cam with motion sensor for about
$550

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Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 11:05 AM
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I'm using one from Inscape Data.  EC has them.

I think I get it back tomorrow.  It's been at a gas station taking video 
clips of someone using a stolen gas card.  The guy's set to be arrested 
today.  They've got him on cam 6 times in the last 2 or so weeks.  The gas 
station is jazzed.  It's interesting, the guy that's got it is NOT the guy 
that they just knew was using it!  Good thing we had the cam.

Next it'll be used in a town that's got someone (they think kids) taking 
wallets, cds, etc. from open cars.  We're gonna set up in a building out on 
the street and set up a sting.

This one has good resolution, a zoom lens, built in web server, audio and 
video, built in motion sensor (though it will false alarm in the dark), 
ethernet AND wireless.  I paid about $500 for it.  It's WELL worth the 
price.  I have a $150 dlink cam too.  It's got a decent picture but I never 
was able to get the dang thing to send pics to a server off site.  I ended 
up just giving it away.  The Inscape ones can be had with an outdoor 
enclosure and pan tilt zoom remote controls.  I don't know exactly what 
those would add to the price.

When I get it back I can set it up so you can view it if you'd like.

laters,
Marlon
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Subject: [WISPA] IP Cameras


 Someone on these lists said they had inexpensive ip cams with motion 
 detection and they paid like 140.00 for it.

 Anyone remember or know what camera?
 I'm looking for something like this, but in an outdoor enclosure.

 Thanks

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[WISPA] New 700 mhz rules ?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Fresh off the FCC:

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-114A1.pdf

no mention of unlicensed 700 mhz ... I think our chances are slim.

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[WISPA] Source for Ferrites

[Gino A. Villarini]

Title: Source for Ferrites






Anyone has a good and fast source ?

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RE: [WISPA] Frequency Question

[Gino A. Villarini]

Im under the impression that the Standard has already been released and
currently equipment is being tested and certified... Some manufacturers has
released launch predictions for q4 06 and q1 07

Patrick, could you confirm this?

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The Military only for now. We will be able to under certain conditions 
if the NTIA would ever release the reference standard for developing 
testing of DFS and TPC for 5.4 to 5.7 GHz equipment certification. Many 
hardware manufacturers have equipment ready once a testing standard is 
released.
Scriv

George Rogato wrote:

 Who is allowed to use 5700 to 5500 in the US?

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RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2

[Gino A. Villarini]

Let me add that the new version of StarOs is passing vlans like a charm...
Kudos for Valemount for such a quick response to customer request...


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 10:12 AM
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Lonnie is famous for hijacking threads

Regardless of the original thread topic, I'd argue that...

The goal is to find a manufacturer that can deliver what we need, the 
complete solution, at the price we need. If someone can do that, there is 
not much more to find out, in my mind. Its not about who is better, its who 
can deliver, because WISPs are starving for solutions.  When I think about 
it, until just recently, I have been using the same product that I selected 
as best for me 5 years ago and there are two reasons for it. 1) Loyalty to 
vendor  and 2) there is lots of advancement, but not enough of a value to 
justify change.  A great OS does nothing if it can;t run on adequate 
hardware, and adequate hardware can't do much without adequate software.

I am exstatic to hear about what Lonnie has accomplished with his new War/V3

solution.  To my recognition, he is the first to deliver a complete low cost

solution to meet todays ISP's backhaul needs. (that means he's listening to 
WISPs).  It delivers low cost, total link w/ antennas, radios, cases, etc, 
under $1000, it allows us to transparently bridge without compromising MTU 
delivery, and it will pass 35 mbps, adeqaute speed for backhauling a 6 six 
sector cell site.  First, a product must meet the need of the solution. 
Every other component of the OS's I feel are almost pointless, or just value

add to help tip the scale.  A 12-20 mbps solution is just not enough.

I'm not saying there are not other vendors with adeqaute solutions, nor that

the other products don't have valueable features for other solutions. But 
War/V3 might have been the first to deliver all three needs in a PTP (also 
possibly PtMP sectors, but thats a different discussion with different 
things to compare.). For that recognition is due, and I commend him.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 11:37 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2




 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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 Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:32 AM
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 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2


 11MByte/sec as in approx 88Mbps?  Sounds about like NStreme Turbo (40MHz
 channel) or Alvarion B100 (40MHz channel).

 Considering this thread was originally about the RB532 and its
 shortcomings, has anyone tried loading MikroTik OS onto the StarOS
 533MHz hardware?

 *Lonnie is famous for hijacking threads to promote his products. We
 shouldn't punish him for it because after all, he is canadian ! :)~

 JohnnyO

 Brad

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 Lonnie,

 Wow, that was fast.  Great New!
 Testing starts this week.

 Tom DeReggi
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 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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 Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:24 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2


 Tom,

 The new V3 release has been posted and you can set MTU to very high
 values if your cards support jumbo frames.  Our WAR board, with its
 very advanced Intel Ethernet can do 16K for the MTU.  Most other cards

 have limits in the 2K to 4K range.

 We also have released the first x86 PC Architecture version and the
 updated x86 WRAP version.  They  have the same features as the WAR
 version.

 I'm not sure if we mentioned it but the x86 version has a free mode
 that is no longer a 24 hour trial.  It saves settings and everything
 works, except of course the advanced features that we use to add
 value.  You can use it for fairly advance routing (quagga has ospf and
 rip) for free.

 We'll require a paid license for wireless, policy or source routing,
 bandwidth control and our firewall scripting.  We are pretty sure that

 more than 11 MBytes/sec in Turbo mode on a power machine will meet
 with approval.  Device bonding will be coming fairly soon and it will
 allow simple hdx bonding, fdx bonding and failover bonding.

 We use the Linux 2.6 kernel and we have been able to get this image to

 well under 8 MB and average ram use on bootup is about 16 MB.  It took

RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2

[Gino A. Villarini]

So.. Lonnie, got a timeframe for this ?

thanks

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 8:38 PM
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It will just be easier to support an insane MTU size so that people
can go and do whatever they want.  I can imagine people doing some
vlan in vlan and then running the whole works over a tunnel, and each
one adds tags and headers to the actual 1500 byte payload.

Lonnie

On 8/14/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Lonnie,

 I just wrote to you off list, before seeing your onlist response.

 V3 has support for a fully transparent
  client bridge when it talks to an appropriately configured V3 AP system.

 That is good news!

  License Fee after 1 year.

 The policy you explained, is fair and reasonable.

  We are currently working on a custom MTU size interface for every
  device to be able to handle whatever you want for MTU size.

 Great.  To be more clear... Its easy for people (like me) to get confused
 between IP versus Ethernet headers. In our VLAN applications, its the
 Ethernet packet that needs to be supported above 1500bytes (for addition
of
 VLAN to Ethernet header), we'd rarely ever need to increase IP packet MTU
 above 1500 MTU. (although I see applications for IPSEC if larger MTU
allowed
 or possibly for passing MPLS).

 Tom DeReggi
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[WISPA] 5.4 ghz, Patrick, got some new info ?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Title: 5.4 ghz, Patrick, got some new info ?






Hey Patrick

I know you are up to date on this type of topics, any news on 5.4 ghz ?

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RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2

[Gino A. Villarini]

Well Tom,



We are in the same situation as you,
testing backhaul replacements. Our Network backhauls are made of : Spectras
, Gemini, Trango Atlas, Motorola BH units and Proxim MP11a. So we started
looking for a 802.11a based unit, config channels of 5,10,20 and 40 mhz,
support for bridging and basic stuff needed for backhauls no fancy stuff. The
are some products available like the Trango Atlas, Solectek among others but we
decided to test Mikrotik RB500 units, we saw the same results as you did, not
very amazed. But, last week I decided to test out StarOS WAR plataform
and let me tell you:



6 mile link with 533 mhz WAR Board with 1 CM9
card each on both sides 23 db flat panel ( -66 on both ends ) One End connected
to a Mikrotik 2.8 ghz Router , my laptop at the other end WAR board set
on bridge mode, connection tracking disabled.



First of all, latency :



1- 64 byte ping from my laptop to the Mikrotik router : 1ms

2- 1500 byte ping from my laptop to the Mikrotik router : 2  3 ms



Nice, thoughput :



20 mhz channel:



TCP : 35 Mbps

UDP: 28 Mbps ( weird, usually is the
opposite )



40 mhz channel:



TCP : 45 Mbps

UDP: 72 Mbps 



For Paul:



20 mhz chanel UDP test with 100 byte
packets : 5 Mbps

40 mhz chanel UDP test with 100 byte
packets : 6 Mbps







Pretty darn exiting results! I just need
to iron out a vlan issue with Lonnie.. and I would make this units our defacto
Back hauls





Gino A. Villarini 
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Aeronet
Wireless Broadband Corp. 
tel
787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 8:18
PM
To: WISPA
 General List
Subject: [WISPA] Routerboard 532
and NStreme2







Task: Test Max Speed doable using Mikrotik NStreme 2
(two MPCI cards in one board).











test environment...











AMD 3Ghz Laptop wired - Mikrotik 532 w/ CM9 -
Mikrotik 532 w/CM9 - wired to HP PIII-800Mhz Laptop.





Connected in a lab environment, zero noise.











Mikrotik OS ver 2.9.28











Test software 1: IPerf TCP running on both Laptops.





Test software 2: Mikrotik Bandwidth test running on
Mikrotiks.











TestMethod 1 (running test to/fromLaptops):
used about 80% CPU power on Mikrotik board to pass the traffic.











Test Method 2 (running to.from MIkrotik): used about
100% CPU power on Mikrotik.











However, interesting enough, the results of the speed
tests, whichever method used, were just about identical, give or take 1 mbps.











The results of tests were











Maximum speed transferable in one direction 20Mhz
channel: 16.6 mbps.





Maximum speed transferable in both direction
simultaneously (addingtogether the values) 20.8 mbps (13.8 mbps and 7 mbps
in the other).





Maximum speed transferable in one direction 10 mhz
channel: 15.8 mbps.





Maximum speed transferable in both directions 10 Mhz
channel: 19 mbps (10.4 mbps and 9 mbps)





Maximum speed transferable in one direction Turbo
Mode speed: 18 mbps





Maximum speed transferable in both
directionsimultaneously Turbo Mode (addingtogether the values):
22mbps.











Note: Turbo mode tested in two configurations, (A)
the lowest 5.8G channel send and highest 5.8G channel for receive, and(B)
5.8Ghz to send and 5.3Ghz receive.





Note: All 5.8Ghz test resultswere at54
mbps speed modulation, and setting it to slower speed/modulation lowered the
test speed results.





Note: Test performed with RSSI somewhere between -60
and-68, without antennas, but w/ high quality pigtails w/Bulk head N,
Pointing N connectors to each other.





Note:Re-tried tests with antennas used, to
increase RSSI (-50 to -60 db), but itdid not improve results.





Note: All tests done when in NStreme2 mode, using
twocards on each end. 





Note: Both boards mounted in Mikrotik Plastic Large
Case (sweet cases) and using 18V (.8amp) via POE.











One thing that was really odd...Mikrotik
has a value for TX rssi and RXrssi. The TXrssi was the exact RX
rssi acheivedat the otehr radio in all cases in any slot, in any
configuration. 





However,the CM9 inthe TOP Slot of
the532board consistently showed an average of 10 db worse TX RSSI.
(sometimes around -75 db). Swapping TX CM9s did not help. TX from the top
slot oneither of the Mikrotik CPEs showed the same results.The
only way I was able to make the TX rssis the same on both CPEs simultaneously
was to set the BOTTOM port/CM9 on each Mikrotik to be the TX radio. This
indicated that the 532 board possibly might have a powerproblem to the
top slot. In this configuration, at 54mbps, RSSI was about -65TX
and RX on bothCPEs.











My conclusion of this experimentwas that the
ideal configuration for a MIkrotik 532 board is with10Mhz channels in
NStreme2 mode.





Because Spectrum efficiency is maximized, Interference
avoidance maximized, Cost low, and very little aggregate speed
benefitacheived by using the larger channel sizes

RE: [WISPA] ARC Wireless Cable Order

[Gino A. Villarini]

Our techs hate the non-gel cable Shireen sells, it's a solid metal core with
a copper clad. Very rigid to work with... is the gel version the same ?

Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 5:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC Wireless Cable Order

Shireen had/sold the outdoor cable in both a Gel filed and no-Gel version. 
The gel filled was definately the Arc Wireless, the non-gel he had, I do not

believe was ARC brand.
Shireen also said he'd be out for a month :-(

However, can't speak for Brian, on his quote.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:03 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] ARC Wireless Cable Order


 Is this the same cable sold by Shereen ?

 Gino A. Villarini
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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
 Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 5:44 PM
 To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization;
 isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [WISPA] ARC Wireless Cable Order

 Below is the info I promised about the cable.  Now the only question is
 where will copper be at in 10-12 weeks?  Up or down?  This is a darn
 good price for cable as of today, but who knows about 3 months from
 now.  The number is below if you need to order.  They already have the
 35k minimum order so they will be getting cable.

 Brian

  Original Message 
 Subject: Cable Info
 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:52:40 -0600
 From: Gregory Friant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



 Brian,



 Sorry for the delay.



 Part number is SWI-CAB-108190

 Price is $.11 per foot

 Freight is FOB Denver.  Estimated freight is $7 per thousand UPS ground.

 Lead time is 10-12 weeks

 Orders must be placed by Monday, August 14, 2006

 Spec sheet attached.

 To order, please contact Tisha Lumabi at 303-421-4063x39 or
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]



 **Greg Friant**

 Regional Sales Manager

 /*/ARC/*/ Wireless

 10601 West 48th Avenue

 Wheat Ridge, CO 80033

 Office 303-421-4063

 Cell 303-886-8588

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RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2

[Gino A. Villarini]

Title: Message








Charles:



For test we are using the Mikrotik BW test
tool client on the PC, and the built in the Router..



I completely understand your point, but
why on 40 mhz channel size, its 45 mbps TCP and 72 mbps UDP ?





Gino A. Villarini 
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Wireless Broadband Corp. 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Of Charles Wu
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Routerboard
532 and NStreme2







20 mhz channel:



TCP : 35 Mbps

UDP: 28 Mbps ( weird, usually is the
opposite )













Gino,











Keep in mind -- if you check the Atheros
advanced feature checkbox -- you are turning on
super-a/g functionality





Going back to your testing methodology
(which you haven't elaborated on), the Lempel Ziv compression within super-a/g
could be the reason why you're getting screwy TCP vs. UDP results











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RE: [WISPA] ARC Wireless Cable Order

[Gino A. Villarini]

Is this the same cable sold by Shereen ?

Gino A. Villarini
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 5:44 PM
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization;
isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WISPA] ARC Wireless Cable Order

Below is the info I promised about the cable.  Now the only question is 
where will copper be at in 10-12 weeks?  Up or down?  This is a darn 
good price for cable as of today, but who knows about 3 months from 
now.  The number is below if you need to order.  They already have the 
35k minimum order so they will be getting cable.

Brian

 Original Message 
Subject:Cable Info
Date:   Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:52:40 -0600
From:   Gregory Friant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Brian,

 

Sorry for the delay.

 

Part number is SWI-CAB-108190

Price is $.11 per foot

Freight is FOB Denver.  Estimated freight is $7 per thousand UPS ground.

Lead time is 10-12 weeks

Orders must be placed by Monday, August 14, 2006

Spec sheet attached.

To order, please contact Tisha Lumabi at 303-421-4063x39 or 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

**Greg Friant**

Regional Sales Manager

/*/ARC/*/ Wireless

10601 West 48th Avenue

Wheat Ridge, CO 80033

Office 303-421-4063

Cell 303-886-8588

Fax 303-424-5085

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RE: [WISPA] Optivon Sago

[Gino A. Villarini]

I just had a meeting with Optivon President this morning... they seem like a
great  option for voip.

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Optivon  Sago

Peter,
Thank you for passing along this success story for Optivon. They 
recently joined WISPA as a vendor member. I am glad to see that their 
belief in partnering with WISPs to use WISP platforms for delivery of 
VOIP is baring fruit. Thanks again Peter.
John Scrivner



Peter R. wrote:

 Optivon, Sago Partner to Deliver Hosted Telephony Services
 Posted on: 08/03/2006

 Hosted telephony services provider Optivon Inc. recently announced its 
 multi-year outsourcing agreement with Sago Networks, which coincides 
 with its North American expansion and focus on the carrier channel.

 Optivon will provide hosted telephony services to Sago, including IP 
 Trunking, IP Telephony - residential and business, IP Centrex/PBX 
 Hosting, CTI informal call center, unified communications, local and 
 long-distance telephone service, billing services, backroom operations 
 services, as well as other hosted applications that Optivon will 
 periodically add to the its suite of services, the company said.

 Sago will bundle Optivon services with other Sago services and will be 
 delivering the IP-based voice services over its private microwave and 
 fiber circuits to the customer premises. The company said it will not 
 be using the public Internet to access the customers and will be able 
 to guarantee optimal quality of service.

 Quality of service is our foremost concern, said Miller Cooper, 
 president of Sago Networks. Therefore, after an extensive national 
 evaluation process we selected to team up with Optivon to launch our 
 voice services.

 http://www.phoneplusmag.com/hotnews/68h3151256.html

 Sago would be a WISP in Tampa and Miami.

 Regards,

 Peter
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RE: [WISPA] Ed Whitacre Loves His WiMAX

[Gino A. Villarini]

Although there is no Wimax certified gear for UL, I would consider Wimax,
any gear that uses the Wimax chipset and MAC on a non certified band

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Again. There is currently no Wimax cert's for UL. Brad

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Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 2:18 PM
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Wrong, airspan is shipping product



On 8/3/06 10:17 AM, Brad Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There is no UL Wimax..maybe he is confused. Brad
 
 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 1:30 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ed Whitacre Loves His WiMAX
 
 All,
 
 Then I would guess the following statement can be a little confusing. :-)
 
 As quoted in the article;
 
 While ATT's WiMAX service is not publicly available, one tester
 already has a review: Ed Whitacre, and he gives it an enthusiatic thumbs
up.
 He told GigaOM.com after the speech that he uses the service at his home
 in Texas and gets 5.5 Mbps downstream over unlicensed spectrum. It's
 not ready for primetime, but I really like it, he said.
 
 Regards,
 Dawn DiPietro
 
 
 Brad Larson wrote:
 
 Lonnie, LOL. I knew as soon as that link was posted the dissing would
 start.
 ATT is a company to watch because they own spectrum and have capital. He
 was clear in saying that he was using UL and not Wimax BTW. Brad
 
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 I have 40 mbps to my house and it is not WiMax and I am the CEO of a
 much smaller company.  If that is the best a huge company like that
 can do then they will not be a threat to anybody.
 
 Lonnie
 
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 http://gigaom.com/topics/att/
 
 
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RE: [WISPA] frame size and fps - Mikrotik large packets

[Gino A. Villarini]

(Before MPLS switches allowing larger packets were mainstream and 
affordable) 

Where ? care to share ?

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Jeff,

Thanks for the clarifications from your engineer.

The only comment I disagree with is

 The proper VLAN aware drivers show 1500 MTU for both the underlying 
 interface
 and the VLAN interface but it treats VLAN packets with caution, so as not

 to
 truncate or drop them because of their longer size.

If that's true, then it isn't a proper VLAN aware driver.  The MTU should

be
set correctly and not just show 1500 and use something else.

My statement was just bringing up that the MTU is for the size of the packet

before VLAN tags were added, and VLAN header bits are added on top of the 
existing full size packets. The reason for this is that we guarantee to 
deliver 1500 MTU to the consumer, and we want the setting to show what the 
customer expects to get. If we tag it with VLAN for our own use, we must be 
able to pass the higher size packet, and strip the VLAN off before 
delivering down to the client on the other end.

Opinions on this depend on what the provider is trying to do with the 
router. The needs as a customer premise router is different than the needs 
of a ISP transport provider router.  The way StarOS does it, to shring the 
MTU, is appropriate for Customer premise routers, and it would make sense 
under that circumstance for the MTU setting to reflect the new MTU size that

the customer would see.  But in our application as a transport provider, our

cell site routers want to appear transparent, to any application the 
consumer may want to use. Its standard that Ethernet is limited to 1500 MTU,

and the Consumer should have not problem working around that, and when they 
want to lower their own MTU. However, as a provider, we never have a need to

lower an MTU, as lowering an MTU would compromise the service delivered to 
the consumerthat would expect to receive 1500 MTU capabilty.  The problem is

not all ethernet devices pass IPSEC higher MTU. Its why it ended up not 
being a preferred method for tunneling across our network or other's 
network, without compromising delivery of 1500 MTU to subscribers.  Thus the

reason we switched to CIPE tunneling as our standard tunneling method.  And 
major reason for selecting Linux based routers.

I'd like to add, that I believe ImageStream supports CIPE tunneling. One of 
the disadvantages of Mikrotik and StarOS, is that they do NOT support CIPE 
tunneling. It was one of the reasons we built our own routers 5 years ago. 
(Before MPLS switches allowing larger packets were mainstream and 
affordable).

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